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Meet The "Minerva Research Initiative" - The Pentagon's Preparation For "Mass Civil Breakdown"

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About a month ago we showed photos of the Chinese police engaged in a drill designed to crush a "working class insurrection", in which the police did precisely what would be required to end a middle class rebellion. It made us wonder: what does China know that the US doesn't. As it turns out, nothing.

Because long before China was practicing counter-riot ops using rubber bullets, all the way back in 2008 the US Department of Defense was conducting studies on the dynamics of civil unrest, and how the US military might best respond. The name of the project: "Minerva Research Initiative" and its role is to " “improve DoD’s basic understanding of the social, cultural, behavioral and political forces that shape regions of the world of strategic importance to the U.S."

The Guardian which first revealed the details, reports that, "The multi-million dollar programme is designed to develop immediate and long-term "warfighter-relevant insights" for senior officials and decision makers in "the defense policy community," and to inform policy implemented by "combatant commands."

The premise behind Minerva is simple: study how violent political overthrow, aka mass civil breakdown, happens in the day and age of social networks, and be prepared to counteract it - by "targeting peaceful activities and protest movements" - when it finally reaches US shores.

Among the projects awarded for the period 2014-2017 is a Cornell University-led study managed by the US Air Force Office of Scientific Research which aims to develop an empirical model "of the dynamics of social movement mobilisation and contagions." The project will determine "the critical mass (tipping point)" of social contagians by studying their "digital traces" in the cases of "the 2011 Egyptian revolution, the 2011 Russian Duma elections, the 2012 Nigerian fuel subsidy crisis and the 2013 Gazi park protests in Turkey."

 

Twitter posts and conversations will be examined "to identify individuals mobilised in a social contagion and when they become mobilised."

 

Another project awarded this year to the University of Washington "seeks to uncover the conditions under which political movements aimed at large-scale political and economic change originate," along with their "characteristics and consequences." The project, managed by the US Army Research Office, focuses on "large-scale movements involving more than 1,000 participants in enduring activity," and will cover 58 countries in total.

Minerva is well funded: From the outset, the Minerva programme was slated to provide over $75 million over five years for social and behavioural science research. This year alone it has been allocated a total budget of $17.8 million by US Congress.

Among the purely "theoretical" recent studies Minerva is funding is a University of Maryland project in collaboration with the US Department of Energy's Pacific Northwest National Laboratory to gauge the risk of civil unrest due to climate change. The three-year $1.9 million project is developing models to anticipate what could happen to societies under a range of potential climate change scenarios.

But what is most disturbing is that since the pretext for Minerva is simply to conduct theoretical social science experiments, there should be zero practical uses of the knowledge gleaned. Well, no.

Although Office of Naval Research supervisor Dr Harold Hawkins had assured the university researchers at the outset that the project was merely "a basic research effort, so we shouldn't be concerned about doing applied stuff", the meeting in fact showed that DoD is looking to "feed results" into "applications," Corman said in the email. He advised his researchers to "think about shaping results, reports, etc., so they [DoD] can clearly see their application for tools that can be taken to the field."

 

Many independent scholars are critical of what they see as the US government's efforts to militarise social science in the service of war. In May 2008, the American Anthropological Association (AAA) wrote to the US government noting that the Pentagon lacks "the kind of infrastructure for evaluating anthropological [and other social science] research" in a way that involves "rigorous, balanced and objective peer review", calling for such research to be managed instead by civilian agencies like the National Science Foundation (NSF).

And tying it all together, is - who else - the NSA.

One war-game, said Price, involved environmental activists protesting pollution from a coal-fired plant near Missouri, some of whom were members of the well-known environmental NGO Sierra Club. Participants were tasked to "identify those who were 'problem-solvers' and those who were 'problem-causers,' and the rest of the population whom would be the target of the information operations to move their Center of Gravity toward that set of viewpoints and values which was the 'desired end-state' of the military's strategy."

 

Such war-games are consistent with a raft of Pentagon planning documents which suggest that National Security Agency (NSA) mass surveillance is partially motivated to prepare for the destabilising impact of coming environmental, energy and economic shocks.

As the Guardian's Nafeez Ahmed concludes, "Minerva is a prime example of the deeply narrow-minded and self-defeating nature of military ideology. Worse still, the unwillingness of DoD officials to answer the most basic questions is symptomatic of a simple fact – in their unswerving mission to defend an increasingly unpopular global system serving the interests of a tiny minority, security agencies have no qualms about painting the rest of us as potential terrorists."

We wonder: why is that surprising - by the time the "mass civil breakdown" is set to take place (and grand central-planning experiments by the Fed and its peers will merely accelerate said T-zero Day), virtually everyone who poses even the tiniest threat to the collapsing regime will be branded a terrorist.

Since as we reported previously, yet another current version of what previously was merely science fiction, namely the arrival of pre-crime, or where a big data NSA "pre-cog" computer will determine who is a future terrorist threat merely based on behavioral signals, is just around the corner too, it is simply a matter of time before men in gray suits or better yet - drones - quietly arrest any and all potentially threatening social network "nodes" of future terrorist behavior on the simple grounds that their mere presence threatens the status quo with an even faster collapse.

And now, just ignore all of the above, and keep buying stocks, because all is well: these most certainly aren't the droids you are looking for.

 

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Sat, 06/14/2014 - 22:26 | 4857844 johngaltfla
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Good news! You can shoot down drones! Just wear an old concert t-shirt when TSHTF!!!!

Los Angeles Kings Fans Demonstrate Proper Techniqe to Shoot Down a Police State Drone (VIDEO)
Sat, 06/14/2014 - 22:37 | 4857860 john39
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Interesting name:

"Minerva was the goddess of wisdom, war, art, schools and commerce. She was the Etruscan counterpart to Greek Athena. Like Athena, Minerva was born from the head of her father, Jupiter (Greek Zeus)."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minerva

Sat, 06/14/2014 - 22:53 | 4857886 Colonel Klink
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Only because "I'm a tyrannical cunt" was taken by Hitlery.

Sat, 06/14/2014 - 23:24 | 4857927 knukles
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See, AJ was right all along.

Sat, 06/14/2014 - 23:32 | 4857941 Anusocracy
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One would think that the government is trying to build an ant colony faster than nature can.

Humant colony, that is.

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 00:01 | 4857974 economics9698
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Demographics will determine where these guys operate.  The assholes know diversity breeds civil war.  They will pick up the regular citizens when they get around to it.  

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 01:40 | 4858036 Arius
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This country is no Greece ... this is AMERICA!

 

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 02:53 | 4858066 AlaricBalth
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The Minerva Research Initiative competition is for research related to the seven (7) topics listed below. Detailed descriptions of the topics can be found in Section VIII, “Specific Minerva Research Initiative Topics.” The detailed descriptions are intended to provide the proposer a frame of reference and are not meant to be restrictive. Innovative proposals related to these research topics are highly encouraged. White papers and full proposals are solicited which address the following topics:
(1) Strategic Impact of Religious and Cultural Changes
(2) Terrorism and Terrorist Ideologies
(3) Science, Technology and Military Transformations in China and Developing States
(4) National Security Implications of Energy and Environmental Stress
(5) New Theories of Cross-Domain Deterrence
(6) Regime and Social Dynamics in Failed, Failing, and Fragile Authoritarian States
(7) New Approaches to Understanding Dimensions of National Security, Conflict, and Cooperation

http://www.arl.army.mil/www/pages/8/research/Minerva_Draft_BAA_Final_Jul...

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 02:58 | 4858067 ebworthen
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Those dumb shits have no idea how things will go down.

They're playing with three Tinkertoy sets instead of a million erector sets with bullets.  DUH.  No clue, keep at it half-brains.

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 03:16 | 4858082 wee-weed up
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"Minerva Research Initiative"

Jackboots by any other name...

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 04:16 | 4858099 asdasmos
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Posted Elsewhere:

"

1) The taxes are not worth the value being returned.

I don't have a problem paying taxes, so long as they go to something worthwhile. I will end up paying around 33% - an entire 1/3rd of my income - in my 2013 tax return. Yes, I am getting a refund, but when I am paying tens of thousands of dollars and not getting the services I should receive for that investment in my country, celebrating the return of a few hundred dollars seems absurd.

Where is my benefit from my government for all of this? Do I have free healthcare? No. Do I have a world class education for my child? No. Do I have any kind of guaranteed income should I lose my job? No.

No, instead, I have a country which is the only one in the world to tax its overseas citizens. A country that bails out banks who prey on those who just want a home to raise a family when they become insolvent - but when it happens to me, and I short sell my home, the IRS is there, ready to tax me on "phantom income" - forgiven debt.

I have a country that spends billions on fighting wars for political gain, but does nothing when there actually is evidence of WMD use against others. A country that hemorrhages so much money on military spending, it must turn around and take loans against my child's future - her income - in order to continue to pay for programs we don't need.

2) I'm tired of people being surprised that I'm American because I have manners, common courtesy, and the ability to see the other side of issues.

Seriously, the number of people I meet who think Americans are rascal-riding land whales (like in the movie Wall-E) with handle-bar mounted machine guns, a sack of Big Macs in the front basket, a clinical addiction to NASCAR, and a passion for the modern day artist that is Jerry Springer - it's just too much. I've been introducing myself as Canadian because apparently I'm so polite, that's where they mostly assume I'm from.

3) The fact that none of this is ever going to change, regardless of what party is in charge, and the fact that the American government continues to shred the constitution a little more each year, until it doesn't even matter anymore.

You may not think of America as a police state, but it is. Nobody's going to come grab you in the middle of the night, unless you're reported as a terrorist of some kind. At that point, just forget about "police work" and get ready for the SWAT team.

Nobody is going to take your children way from you, unless Child Protective Services is called, and someone decides - for whatever reason - that it's "in the child's best interest" to be removed.

Nobody is ever going to interfere with your access to medicine, unless you're trying to get something that isn't ridiculously expensive from another country; in that case, get ready for being charged as a drug trafficker.

Nobody is going to freeze your bank accounts, passport, and other means of movement, unless the IRS believes you haven't given them enough money. Suddenly you have debt to prove isn't there, and it will all get "sorted out" at the blistering fast speed of government efficiency. Or you could just pay the amount they say and it all ends quickly.

4) The fact that the future for my child in the US is so dark.

All this debt, and it's going to fall on her and her children. She's broke, and she doesn't even know it yet. Disgusting.

Well, I count myself fortunate that I don't own a home in the US - it affords me the ability to even consider leaving it all behind. There's so much propaganda about how wonderful America is but, when you look at it without those rosy lenses on, what you really see is horrifying.

"

 

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 04:37 | 4858108 barre-de-rire
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post picture to prove ur not a fat fachist pig selling prepper advises & books on youtube while you drink dozen of coke per day & go camping out of car 50 yards away from parking with your uber maxpedition bags & leatherman wave on the poket...

 

fagot.

 

stop complain & go riot to kill fed's ppl & ur nigger obama to change  your country,  usa is bunch of pussies who  have bigger mouth than ballz.

you deserve what happen cause it makes you happy this way.

you & ur country have fucked the whole planet & now  others start to say fuck you, usa, you shit fuck. no more dollar,  just die.

 

how dare you complain about your child futur, , you didnt give & still dont give a shit around your own square block & you just fuck a girl to cum without even wanting a kid.

typical americam behavior, you empty your ballz one day for fun, 15 years later " oops i made a mistake, hooo, that wasnt expected "

 

fuck you.

 

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 07:34 | 4858168 Advoc8tr
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Just what the world needs ... more children ?  I can almost see your point but it largely got lost in the unconstructive vitriol with a side of religious nut baggery that constitutes your comment.

The author himself does a much better job of acknowledging the failures of his own government and his personal disgust / shame at being associated with it.

The only ones that will effect real change are the US citizens themselves ... the more that realise and rebel the closer we get to a solution. 

We all started out as victims of propaganda.  All countries suffer the same problem to varying degrees.

If your country happened to be the world superpower it would be all your fault ... no way you are immuned while the rest of us suffer - you just caused less damage because wherever you are from happens to not be so influential on the world stage.

PS how long do you think a woman would stick around voluntarily if you only ever fucked her to conceive a baby ?  This is why we don't have to chain our women up ... here's a free tip - they actually like and need it as much as we do.

 

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 08:48 | 4858218 Latina Lover
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If I were one of Putin's advisors, I would 'suggest' that the FSB (KGB successor) obtain copies of the report, with all supporting documentation, and use it as a tool for countering color revolutions, instigated by the USSA.  Or, perhaps, the USSA is worried about blowback from one too many bungled foreign operations, such as Iraq, Ukraine etc.

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 18:40 | 4859391 Manthong
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I’m just worried that global warming might produce shootings every weekend in Chicago.

I hope they spend enough millions to see if that will happen.

Mon, 06/16/2014 - 01:11 | 4860354 Four chan
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im hoping we beat chicagos murder record here in detroit this summer. less is better than more.

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 08:54 | 4858227 shovelhead
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Ahem...

Do you know what they say about people who argue with retards?

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 07:46 | 4858179 mvsjcl
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Pathetic.

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 10:04 | 4858294 Jerome Lester H...
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Sorry, you lost me. I don't understand gibberish.

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 12:26 | 4858633 angel_of_joy
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You and your "friends" are exactly the reason why the guy pretends to be a Canadian, when in civilised company.

No only are you a retard, you are a lunatic too.

Fuck you too, you moron ! You show exactly why this country has no chance in hell to survive...

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 11:32 | 4858486 FlipFlop
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I am happy once it is ok to shoot any representative of police state.

Until that happens I send flowers to prison for anyone who shoots a cop, social worker, judge, prosecutor or anyone representing police state (enemy).

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 19:00 | 4859414 EscapingProgress
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I'm sure this will all go so much smoother than the invasion and occupation of Iraq. Same dumbasses, same gear, same idealogy, same tactics ... different results??

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 08:45 | 4858217 BigJim
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 Among the purely "theoretical" recent studies Minerva is funding is a University of Maryland project in collaboration with the US Department of Energy's Pacific Northwest National Laboratory to gauge the risk of civil unrest due to climate change. The three-year $1.9 million project is developing models to anticipate what could happen to societies under a range of potential climate change scenarios.

Ah, so that's HackMeister's new employer. No wonder she's so keen to emphasise the 'real' and 'pressing' nature of AGW.

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 03:15 | 4858075 G-R-U-N-T
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study how violent political overthrow, aka mass civil breakdown, happens in the day and age of social networks, and be prepared to counteract it - by "targeting peaceful activities and protest movements" - when it finally reaches US shores.

It will reach U.S. shores! Collapse of Europe, then Japan then America, then what?

Interesting that government together with cronyism is causing both economic and society to break down and then they have a desire control the people in which they have screwed! What will the people chose, totalitarian rule or individual freedom and liberty???

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 06:09 | 4858139 Notsobadwlad
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All part of "the great work". One does not get quiche without breaking a few eggs.

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 07:14 | 4858161 max2205
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Waste of money because FSA don't surf son. 

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 12:33 | 4858654 Haus-Targaryen
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I think you'll see civilization fall apart in the USSA much faster than in "Europe" (aka Northern Europe)

I couldn't give two shits about the EU, or the Euro, and in my opinion -- the faster these two institutions collapse upon one another the better.  However, if the Euro falls apart tomorrow -- people here will freak out for a day or two, then a new currency will pop up, and the economy will start to rebuild itself like it did in 45.  

If sheeple in the USSA wake up and the dollar died overnight, expect riot police, rioting, civil war, assisinations, suicides, and a general collapse of "civilization."

I imagine it will be a cross between what we see in the East of Ukraine and the Book of Eli.  

Europeans are used to the SHTF, and culturally are able to overcome it materially better than those in the states.  God help you all.  

(I am an American and literally got out, when I saw what was coming.  Best decision I have ever made.) 

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 09:42 | 4858265 Monty Burns
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Diversty does indeed breed civil war but it also creates an atomized low social cohesion society which is much easier to control.

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 10:39 | 4858366 AlaricBalth
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MINERVA RESEARCH INITIATIVE - White Paper
Multi-Source Assessment of State Stability

"We propose a three year program (with two option years) of basic research to develop new capabilities in predictive state stability modeling and improve our understanding of the fundamental issues surrounding state stability in a cyber-mediated environment. Our primary objective is to understand the way in which media – social and traditional – can be used to effect state stability or instability by individuals, groups and corporations. A secondary objective is to identify indicators in social media and traditional media that can be used as signals of changes in trust, norms, lines of stability, and lines of alliance or competition that could predict state instability."

http://minerva.dtic.mil/doc/samplewp-Carley.pdf

The primary objective of this study is to understand how social media and traditional media can be used to effect state stability or instability.

The masses have no clue as to how far ahead of the curve the government is in relation to the control mechanisms which are being utilized against them.

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 13:57 | 4858819 AgShaman
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The 'Elites' are always petitioning their Ivy League minions to put out these white papers to try and "model" what the future holds in store for them/us...

Generally speaking....most theives and criminals are curious to know if they can get away with their crimes and maintain their ill-gotten booty.

http://www.sesync.org/sites/default/files/resources/motesharrei-rivas-kalnay.pdf

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 13:40 | 4858792 Fred C Dobbs
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Glad to see you understand Mr. Knukles.  Most here on zerohedge.com should turn into www.inforwars.com and/or www.prisonplanet.com  and listen to Alex Jones and his independent news team.  The zerohedgers that can be woken.

You are the smartest and funniest pinhead I know. 

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 20:11 | 4859592 robobbob
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as "independant" as far as Stratfor operatives go.

jones runs limited hang out stories as part of the controlled opposition. good source for out side of main stream news, but always remember its in the furtherance of somebody elses agenda.

has been caught in bald faced lies on several occasions.

Sat, 06/14/2014 - 23:06 | 4857902 Quus Ant
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Minerva is probably the name of Dick Cheney's dearly departed mother.

The guy is such a softy.

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 00:15 | 4857987 stant
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Everyone in the us and else where has a threat level issued to them like a fico score. Won't be here god willing when they come. Just want them to be where I want when I come.

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 02:40 | 4858058 mkkby
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This is all just another scam to loot gov money.  The entire military couldn't openly occupy Baghdad and prevent constant attacks.  What makes them think they can prevent a revolution on a wider scale than one city? 

Remember New Orleans?  If revolution comes to USSA the cops will abandon their posts and save themselves first. 

The NSA is also a scam.  They can spy on a few individuals and blackmail them into submission.  But the ability to collect all electronic data AND MAKE SENSE OF IT  is impossible, and should be laughed at.

 

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 06:19 | 4858146 Notsobadwlad
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Those who run the NSA seemingly believe that the use of technology in a manner that emulates the functions and ability of the creator will make them "gods".

They also seemingly believe that they need to create "purpose" for people.

More's the pity ... that is not how or why it is done.

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 10:31 | 4858348 lakecity55
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"No worries, Sir. Our Hi-Tech weaponry will defeat those Afghans in a month!"

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 07:42 | 4858174 Anasteus
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In fact, all the colected data make sense and helped them finally understand that their days are numbered. That's why the programme has been introduced.

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 13:46 | 4858794 RichardP
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The posts in this thread highlight the fallacious thinking that life started when I was born.

These kinds of programs were going on at the Pentagon in the early seventies and before that.  I know.  I was there.

One of the main responsibilities of the Federal Government is to maintain the peace.  The general public will never know what levels of violence have been averted in the past, both domestic and international, because they will never be told.  Because they don't need to know.  They just need to be kept as safe as possible

If I can't see it, it doesn't exist is not a good way to approach life.  Contrary to the opinions of some, most people do not know all there is to know.  That has been true forever.  Yet still the human race manages to survive.

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 15:58 | 4859067 kareninca
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First you say that people "don't need to know."

Then you say "If I can't see it, it doesn't exist" is not a good way to approach life.  So one should know what is going on.

Fuck you.  You can't even come up with a consistent argument for your beloved vision of a fascist police state.  Moron.

Here's a suggestion  -  actual, full information for everyone.  What a concept!!!  No, our good leaders don't want that, all for our sake.  Naturally it's not for the sake of keeping power and control themeselves, no that couldn't be the reason, no, no possibly.  Not because they are power hungry, anti-democratic control freaks.

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 23:55 | 4860189 SofaPapa
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The patronizing paternalism of these pricks is off the charts, no?  I've argued with one face-to-face.  It's frightening how little respect for "the people" these masters of the universe have.  For them, the people is okay only if they are controlled by "the smartest guys in the room".  This guy I used to argue with before I learned it was pointless actually used that exact phrase!  And he was talking about Obama!!!  LOL.  These are sick people.

Mon, 06/16/2014 - 11:27 | 4861276 RichardP
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To both responders - I was stating how things are/have been, not how they should be.  That is, I'm not advocating anything, I'm just providing perspective on what is/has been re. the subject of this thread.

Re.  Needing to know everything / should know everything:  I was not proposing that.  If you can't see it, it doesn't exist is not a call to learn everything.  It is a call to recognize and accept that things are going on whether you know about them or not.  Perhaps this is a better way of making that point in the context of this thread:  I see it now, therefore it just came into existance.  Well, no.

Re. You don't need to know.  Are you seriously arguing that the Federal Government should spend taxpayer dollars to tell us everything they do - particularly when most folks would not be informed enough to even understand what they were told about the governments activities?

Re. being ruled by the smartest guy in the room:  It is human nature for one person or group to dominate all others whenever possible.  That has been true forever.  Given this, why do you object to being ruled by the smartest guy in the room?  If you are going to be ruled by someone, why not the smartest one?  You don't actually prefer to be ruled by the dumbest one do you?

Re. the subject of this thread:  The Pentagon has not just started preparing for mass civil breakdown.  It has been preparing for this since the riots of the mid to late 1960s.  What is being reported in this thread is nothing new, and is nothing to get excited about.

Mon, 06/16/2014 - 18:50 | 4863094 SofaPapa
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This will be my last response, and you can take the last word if you like.  Your type usually likes to have the last word.  Fine.

You are only proving my point by missing it entirely.  You are so bought into your own premise you can't even see it.  In particular, I am speaking about the smartest guy in the room.  I will make this clear for you: these guys are not the smartest guys in the room.  In fact, they are of relatively average intelligence, and I feel quite confident that I know many many people in the circles I have crossed in my life who are equally capable of handling complex and ambiguous problems as these assholes are.  The greatest problem we face as a species is that they actually think they are so smart.  And worse yet, people like you go along.  The one thing they do have an excess of is the draw to power.  The ability to get into power, however, is not the same as the ability to solve complex issues.

Other than that, to your two other points, how much people should know and whether this has always been this way. You are correct that this is not new.  In fact, it goes back as far as our species.  Those of us arguing that the bullies in the room should leave us alone to live our lives in peace have always had this fight, and rarely have we had success.  But I'm enough of a dreamer that I can pray that some day maybe our species (or more appropriately our culture) might evolve enough that the majority of us cease accepting the word of these masters of the universe for any more than the garbage it usually is.  It's a 1-in-a-million hope, but like I said, I can dream...

As to how much people should know, you are arguing the point backwards.  This is not about how much states spend to inform the public.  That's a joke - the answer is of course zero.  It's about how much they spend to hide the truth from us.  The amount of money and resources they use to make sure that the population cannot find out what their "public servants" are doing is the point here, and it is here that the state's claim to represent the people is shown for what it is: a blatant lie.  And I give the population at large more credit than you do for their intelligence.  They know very well at this point they are being lied to.  Within the US, the lies just aren't causing enough direct damage to most people that they are motivated to action.  But the anger is simmering.  If you don't sense that, you're tone-deaf.

Have a nice day.

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 07:48 | 4858180 Sean7k
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Nothing forestalls violence like the belief you are already defeated. If they can convince enough people of their superiority, people will not chance the effort. Of course they cannot control the US, maybe a few cities, perhaps they can sabotage infrastructure or disperse chemical and biological weapons, but once you start mass killing the population, you have already lost the war.

I see no study for a peaceful withdrawl of acceptance or refusal to obey the laws. For the refusal to use FED notes or bank transactions. To withdraw wealth from points the government can control access. They only understand violence and thus, can only imagine a violent start and finish. 

The power of the People is acceptance of the State in all its' guises. Once this is withdrawn, the State withers and dies. 

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 08:48 | 4858219 kaiserhoff
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These fools clearly think the American military would murder American civilians, on orders from the criminal scum in Vichy DC.  I've know dozens of military officers, and that is NOT my opinion.

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 09:00 | 4858230 shovelhead
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They have been identified and won't be invited.

Where did all the Generals go?

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 09:45 | 4858268 Sean7k
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That's the dream, but history has a different story to tell. Worse, they are creating mechanical soldiers and targeting devices which need no soldiers except as controllers. Then, there is the possibility of foreign troops, aka UN, these troops will not care. 

Violent people only see solutions via violence. This is a weakness, not a strength. The slow, but accumulative creation of civil disobedience and rejection is a power too difficult to defeat. What would happen if 20% of the population used pm's in ALL trade? Or barter, etc? The examples are endless...

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 10:09 | 4858299 Jerome Lester H...
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When your military is comprised of hundreds of thousands of illegal aliens who have no loyalty to the citizens of this country you will find that they will gladly follow orders to fire upon its citizens!

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 08:58 | 4858228 Arius
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what are you talking about???  what planer do you live on?  i guess might different where you live, but almost everywhere, people are not being convinced now of the power of the state .... dahhhh, they have seen it from the time of birth and are aware to the time of death .... unless you have been convinced otherwise, that somehow it exist to serve you and now you are suprised ... well welcome to the reality and PLS SHUT UP!

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 16:06 | 4859090 CH1
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The NSA is also a scam.  They can spy on a few individuals and blackmail them into submission.  But the ability to collect all electronic data AND MAKE SENSE OF IT  is impossible, and should be laughed at.

Dude, you have NO IDEA what you're talking about. It's worse than you know.

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 09:44 | 4858266 Van Halen
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The 3000 of them running the 330 million of us realize the day of reckoning is getting near.

Sat, 06/14/2014 - 22:45 | 4857867 AlaricBalth
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She also became known as the Goddess of War and was worshipped on Capitoline Hill.
War worshipers on Capitol(ine) Hill. History rhymes again.

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 00:10 | 4857984 john39
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Great catch. Power cult, always there, hidden in plain sight.

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 11:20 | 4858465 AlaricBalth
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Also interesting is that Minerva honored the owl as her sacred bird. And the owl is also used as the symbol of the Bohemian Club and is featured prominently at the annual Bohemian Grove. In addition, the Order of the Illuminati's Minerval Academy used the Owl of Minerva as its sacred symbol.

"Another layer of the owl symbolism, was to assure its initiates that the Illuminati does its bidding at night: nocturnal toil"

http://essays.ssrc.org/minerva/2008/11/19/krebs/

Sat, 06/14/2014 - 22:43 | 4857869 doctor10
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So it took NSA this long to come up with an excuse?

Sat, 06/14/2014 - 23:09 | 4857904 Rootin' for Putin
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Ban assault t-shirts!

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 00:27 | 4857993 Bindar Dundat
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We had a t-shirt for crowd control : "Get to work early and beat the crowd"

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 07:43 | 4858177 This just in
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Why would anyone need so many armholes?

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 08:01 | 4858185 Took Red Pill
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That "drone" is not a police drone. It is an amateur DJI Phantom that you can buy yourself for under a grand. It was probably just someone in the crowd using it. I have one myself.

Sat, 06/14/2014 - 22:28 | 4857845 algol_dog
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War in the east,
War in the west,
War up north,
War down south -
War - war -
Rumours of war.

Sat, 06/14/2014 - 22:50 | 4857883 motorollin
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War at your front door. I'm long Pb.

Sat, 06/14/2014 - 23:00 | 4857895 Dick Buttkiss
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"Why, of course the people don't want war. Why would some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best that he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece. … But after all, it’s the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it’s always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it’s a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to greater danger. It works the same in any country." — Nazi Reichsmarschall Hermann Goering

Sat, 06/14/2014 - 23:59 | 4857972 disabledvet
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Even better "you can start the attack in your own backyard."

I still think the Aliens they have imprisoned on Mars that are feeding them all this know how are gonna rise up.

AND THEN THERE'LL BE HELL TO PAY!
ANGRY ALIENS EVERYWHERE!

THE REVOLT ON MARS SPREADS TO EARTH!
Follow dududhsjqiNxhdhrbsuaux!!!

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 07:38 | 4858173 Advoc8tr
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The link doesn't work ... can you repost :/

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 08:15 | 4858197 disabledvet
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Shhh. It's a secret.

Martian Commissar fcfjrnrfjw wjcjdnejen has told me "hush, hush...but be prepared when the moment strikes."

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 07:55 | 4858187 mvsjcl
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Irie, mon.

Sat, 06/14/2014 - 22:32 | 4857848 Silver_K-9
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Do not Televise the revolution.

Dont Tweet the revolution!

Dont Facebook the revolution!

Free Your Mind NEO...

Sat, 06/14/2014 - 23:13 | 4857912 Quus Ant
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I'm sure there won't be a revolution at this late stage.  Bang or whimper.

Sat, 06/14/2014 - 22:36 | 4857855 Rehab Willie
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Arming local police with military tech seems to be a good start to putting down any resistance.

Sat, 06/14/2014 - 23:11 | 4857908 zerozulu
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Arming the local police with military style equipment is not a good way to start the revolution

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 01:33 | 4858032 runningman18
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I've seen numerous tactical training schools which handle police, and frankly, most LEO training is garbage.  They are not mentally or strategically equipped to handle a guerrilla-style combat scenario.  Hell, most military personnel are not equipped.   The banksters will just use them as cannon fodder and laugh while they drop like flies, then use their deaths to warrant more military involvement.   The sad part is, a lot of them think they are some kind of superheroes.  All that "thin blue line" crap has gone to their heads.   

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 04:37 | 4858113 August
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My son was a SWAT cop (and Oath Keeper); per his communication the number of LEOs who are actually proficient with firearms is roughly equal to the number who place rounds into themselves, their fellow officers, the general public, and the mirrors in motel rooms when they're practicing "quick draw". 

And this is in the Intermountain West; I suspect competency is even lower in Cleveland, Baltimore etc. etc.

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 06:30 | 4858149 lakecity55
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I hope he is still around, at least the Oathkeepr part.

Right before I retired, the training was getting very military/confrontational. Not a good sign.
Back in the day, you were Lawmen. You tried to de-fuse situations. Not so much anymore.

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 15:04 | 4858951 SilverRhino
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Actually it's a really bad thing to do as you have no put military level equipment into the hands of a segment of the population that THINKS it is much more competent than they truly are.  

Hardcore insurgents will take and have that equipment quickly and relatively painlessly. 

 

Sat, 06/14/2014 - 22:37 | 4857859 RabbitOne
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Hmmmmm...maybe all those things they "learned me" in 'Nam will start to happen on our streets.... 

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 03:04 | 4858072 RafterManFMJ
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I dun two tours of duty in Afghanastan

I came home with a brand new plan

Take seed from Columbia and Mexico...

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 09:09 | 4858241 shovelhead
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Thigh shot.

2 to carry off, reduce fire power by 3. Repeat.

Sat, 06/14/2014 - 22:38 | 4857863 quasimodo
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Minerva, such a fuzzy warm, motherly sounding name.

Makes me feel safe and secure.

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 08:01 | 4858189 mvsjcl
Sat, 06/14/2014 - 22:49 | 4857879 Colonel Klink
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Government using our money against us in order to retain authoritative control.

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 00:00 | 4857973 disabledvet
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"Next time do it cheaper please."

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 02:44 | 4858061 NidStyles
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That isn't "our" money.

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 06:48 | 4858154 what's that smell
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Capt. Harris: Be advised. We've got zips in the wire down here.

Phantom Pilot: Roger your last, Bravo Six. Can't run it any closer. We're hot to trot and packing snake and nape, but we're bingo on fuel.

Capt. Harris: For the record, it's my call. Dump everything you've got left on my pos. I say again, expend all remaining in my perimeter. It's a lovely fucking war. Bravo Six out.

Phantom Pilot: Roger your last, Bravo Six. We copy. It's your call. Get them all in their holes down there. Hang tough, Bravo Six. We're coming cocked for treetops.

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 03:19 | 4858083 shouldvekilledthem
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Government using our money against us in order to retain authoritative control.


It never was your money, peasant. They're still in power because the other slaves are this fucking stupid too.

Sat, 06/14/2014 - 22:51 | 4857884 world_debt_slave
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joe sixpack armed and ready

Sat, 06/14/2014 - 23:32 | 4857940 bunnyswanson
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hDMSA6nbk4&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D1...

Knife control and raising the cost of beer is brewing in the UK

http://www.inquisitr.com/1298546/pope-francis-warning-about-the-economy-...

The  Pope of the Wall Street prepares the masses for the upcoming orchestrated economic collapse.

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 09:34 | 4858257 Colonel Klink
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Just waiting for the "Booms goes the Dynamite" moment.

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 14:12 | 4858851 mt paul
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joe 2 pack

 

passed out drunk on the couch

covered in powered donut sugar...

Sat, 06/14/2014 - 22:59 | 4857892 samsara
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Now you see why the NSA's database is important, Programs like these are the reason the NSAs disk drives in Utah were built. Systems like these sit on top of and extract from those disk drives.

Yes, if nothing else to save these words like these.

Wall to Wall.

BUT, It all needs power. Electic and Petro.

One EMP pulse and maybe the whole structure would fail.

Sat, 06/14/2014 - 23:05 | 4857893 db51
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LMAO.    I just can't wait for the local police force wannabe Special Forces dorks decide to take on the local good old boys here in my part of the country.   You can hear em firing their assault weapons at the local range prepping for the coming Apocolypse.    The local fucktards will be facing down a wall of good old 4x4 driving armed to the teeth rednecks with plenty of Guerilla Warfare experience.    The local "militia" would have their flag flying over the city police station in a couple of hours.   Bring on those fricking drones too.....lmao    It would look like Dove Season when those things start falling out of the air.  

 

I'm not making this shit up....about a month ago, we got to see our local "Armed to the teeth SWAT guys" in action when a local meth head hopped up on Bud Light climbed a microwave tower threatening suicide.   I kid you not, it looked like 911 here.    They all surrounded the guy with flak jackets and sniper rifles.....I was planting corn right next to where the idiot made his climb.....the local cops ordred me out of the field and to clear the area.   I couldn't fucking believe it.   It was a like a scene out of that cop movie with Will Ferrell.   

Sat, 06/14/2014 - 23:23 | 4857925 the grateful un...
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if somebody in california wants to commit suicide they climb up on their roof with an empty gun and act like they want to take on the world. the cops will do it for them

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 01:06 | 4858016 BlindMonkey
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If you can get them cops to do a man hunt you could take another 2-5 fellow citizens with you. They only need to be driving a vehicle that matches your car in some way. I would suggest a piece of shit white van. Then you might be able to get a few illegals on drywall crews.

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 09:07 | 4858238 greatbeard
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>> good old 4x4 driving

And when they cut off fuel supplies these 6 mpg trucks are going to do what?  Any area of the country can be subdued quickly by cutting off access to fuel.  Most of these country good old boys live and die by driving to Walmart 4 times a week just like everybody else.

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 10:44 | 4858379 Sean7k
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Sure, because blackmarkets NEVER develop for energy products...no one sells out the backdoor. Are you just a troll or lack imagination?

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 10:50 | 4858393 greatbeard
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>> a troll

Ahh, the trump card, you win.

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 11:06 | 4858425 Sean7k
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Actually, the trump card is a good argument. Got one?

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 11:30 | 4858483 Calmyourself
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Have you actually been on a farm?  250# diesel on one side 250# gas on the other stand.  If the PTB enjoy eating the fuel wil lflow.  They will get tired of MRE's quickly.

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 11:59 | 4858549 greatbeard
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>> been on a farm?

Actually, yes.  I'm canning corn today from my garden.  Yesterday is was peas.  Tomorrow will be potatoes.  I'm picking and storing blackberries as they come in, and I've still got a boat load of apples to put up.  You?

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 12:14 | 4858597 Sean7k
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Where is your "garden" that you are canning corn? Apples are a fall crop. Blackberries, I seriously doubt as well, unless you are a deep southern state. In which case, apples is pretty much a lie. 

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 12:32 | 4858653 greatbeard
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>> Apples are a fall crop.

There is a great big country out there besides your personal little shithole in flyover country.

>> Blackberries, I seriously doubt as well, unless you are a deep southern state.

Well even you must realize that is a possibility, no?

>> In which case, apples is pretty much a lie.

Unfamiliar with low chill hybrid fruits?  Educate yourself and do a search for low chill apples.  Same with blackberries.  Blackberries thrive in my location, and my trees are hanging with ripe apples.

For your little backwater redneck 4X4 army's own good, I certainly hope you aren't the brain trust of the operation.

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 13:16 | 4858743 Sean7k
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Annas and dorsetts ripen in late june and july. Interesting hybrids. Thanks for the info. Of course, this puts you in southern california or arizona- so for shitholes, I think you have everyone in flyover country beat...

 

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 13:35 | 4858781 greatbeard
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>> Annas and dorsetts ripen in late june and july.

That's what I've got.  It must have been a mild winter 'cause mine are ready now.  Or maybe it's because this is my first year of having fruit.  My peaches and nectarines were ripe and picked weeks ago.  Pears still have a ways to go it appears.  Plums, all gone.  June bugs savaged my persimmons, so no persimmons this year.  I think I've got my compost pile too close to the orchard.

>> Thanks for the info.

No problem.  It is fight club, but you don't have to fight all the time, just when folks is watchin.

>> this puts you in southern california or arizona-

No, another shithole.  You were right the first time, the deep south. 

And my blackberries are doing very well, believe it or not. I put in 42 fruit trees and 30 berry plants two years ago.  This is my first year of harvest and it's been really nice to have.  Next year I'm looking forward to a real decent crop.

 

 

 

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 14:01 | 4858828 Sean7k
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Dealing with the japanese beetles presently, they love grape vines. From what I've read, the compost pile may not be the problem. Since they lay eggs in the ground below their feedstock and come back in following seasons. Perhaps 6ml plastic and mulch coverings with a drip system? Good luck.

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 10:47 | 4858387 AnAnonymous
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I just can't wait for the local police force wannabe Special Forces dorks decide to take on the local good old boys here in my part of the country.
_____________________

The opposite. It is going to be a long way...

All the knowledge on the topic gathered by 'americans' serve one purpose: fomenting revolutions in the countries they wish.

Due to their nature, 'americans' wont write it. So they invent a version that they will inflict the knowledge on themselves.

But the use of the knowledge showed in Ukraine, in Morocco, in Egypt...

'Americans' used the social networks to trigger large crowd movements to overthrow governments.

Once again, it is an 'american' thing: it lacks subtlety, they do it in the open but yet expect their followers ('americans') to submit to what is a big, thick lie.

'Americans' do not intend to use that knowledge on themselves.

They have been using it on others.

Sat, 06/14/2014 - 23:04 | 4857898 Missing_Link
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These idiots think there will be social unrest over CLIMATE CHANGE?  Oh, SURE!  It couldn't possibly be the NSA, ObamaCare, the IRS targeting of conservative groups, immigration crisis on the border, our abandonment of Ukraine and Iraq, the Obama admin exchanging 5 top Taliban for a deserter, the ongoing depression, or the collapse of the currency  ...

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 08:41 | 4858156 pagan
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All that is small potatos compared to the coming social disruptions due to climate change. Immigration? You aint seen nothing yet. Because of CC billions of peoples in the developing world will not be able to feed themselves. Many of them will try to cross borders.

Sat, 06/14/2014 - 23:04 | 4857899 ramacers
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few can get their heads around it, even at this late date, but the BLOOD will be epic .

Sat, 06/14/2014 - 23:05 | 4857900 Rootin' for Putin
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I was just thinking this week that perhaps the reason the idiots in charge keep destabilizing countries and watching what happens is to gather info and research what does and doesn't work in controlling the people, and how long the politicians and leaders survive, which would be the most important data for their own purposes.

Its kinda like the dome in the Hunger Games....'give me a warehouse full of small arms over there....Yes, now put a pickup with a mounted rocket launcher by those trees... excellent, this should be good'

Sat, 06/14/2014 - 23:23 | 4857926 MachoMan
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Orwell already laid all this out...  the problem of course is that orwell is just the appetizer for huxley.  The end game is finding the exact point where you will remain compliant, and it looks a helluva lot like a new fangled caste system with a shit ton of drugs and lack of inhibition.  You will have the freedom to take pills and partake in hedonism to ensure that you do not have the freedom to question the status quo.

What most people don't want to acknowledge is that survive or fail, the information presently being gathered is being stored and there is little chance it will be lost, regardless of what our future may hold.  Like technology, the means of control are stair-stepping with each currency collapse...  climbing towards technological enlightenment.  We build upon the prior regime.

For all the people worried about armed local police, I've got a bridge to sell you...  because you can't see past your nose.  Those guys are not to be worried about...  troublesome for the meantime for sure, but easily circumvented/remedied.  However, a centralized (world) police force that can increase your dose of soma simply because of the tone of your voice on a given day is much more difficult to fight.  The police are completely irrelevant to the surveillance and studying going on.  We like to think of ourselves as unique snowflakes, but psychology and anthropology has taught us different.  The more we learn, the less interesting humans become, the easier it is to lump us into neat and tidy labels.  All of these disciplines and observations are working towards something that seems innocent on the surface, but is ultimately more powerful than any nuclear arsenal.

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 00:09 | 4857981 disabledvet
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Even General Omar Bradley had to order his best Divsion Commander to "stop firing that 155mm howitzer into that (otherwise beautiful) French town down there" because it was too loud to allow him to think the problem they had before them through.

Yes...that is in his authorized biography as well.

After a few more shellings...the Division Commander complied and "temporarily suspended Long Tom" so they could properly "think through" total annihilation.

There are head games...and then there's "Long Tom."

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 08:09 | 4858192 mvsjcl
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That has been going on for a loooooong time.

Sat, 06/14/2014 - 23:20 | 4857920 the grateful un...
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"But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security." - Declaration of Independence, JULY 4, 1776

is it tyranny yet?

Sat, 06/14/2014 - 23:22 | 4857922 Magooo
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They are of course preparing for the total economic collapse that will result from the end of cheap oil.

 

HIGH PRICED OIL DESTROYS GROWTH

According to the OECD Economics Department and the International Monetary Fund Research Department, a sustained $10 per barrel increase in oil prices from $25 to $35 would result in the OECD as a whole losing 0.4% of GDP in the first and second years of higher prices.  http://www.iea.org/textbase/npsum/high_oil04sum.pdf

 

Anyone care to guess what a sustained price of $100+ does for growth?

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 00:02 | 4857975 TeethVillage88s
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I've given up on thinking what is possible.

We have laws & rules that protect us yet:

-Federal government doesn't fix, address, or recognize systemic fraud or systemic looting of corporations & government
-Federal government doesn't fix, address, or recognize systemic loss of pensions, 401Ks, Pension Benefit guarantee corporation, university trust funds, foreign investor funds
-Federal government doesn't fix, address, or recognize systemic inflation of cost in tuition, education, health care, military costs, loss of Jobs
-Federal government doesn't fix, address, or recognize systemic outsourcing, off-shoring, tax avoidance, lobbying for bailouts, influence, subsidies, tax benefits, seduction of congressmen
-Federal government doesn't fix, address, or recognize systemic suppression of the constitution, opening of borders, Transfer of military & Industrial technology to communists & all of Asia
-Risk to Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid from loss in tax base and US Labor Force Wages

SO What are the possibilities??

1) Maybe they will trick Iran into Iraq in order to start a war to avoid the discussion of Domestic Issues of Corruption of Government
2) Maybe they will have military inject disease into Central American migrants to spread to US cities to Declare Martial Law, and a constitutional crisis
3) Maybe they will collapse Credit since Bankers have all the power and this will lead to huge take overs of property, assets, debts, and civil unrest that must be protected with martial law
4) Since they have the biggest Spy network in the world and all US Citizens Personal Data, they can declare that the USA is a failed country, and that we must now depend on international trade and low paying jobs in the service sector till US Wages & Compensation are equal to China or at least Asia in general
5) Since Big Bankers control most of the Debt & Credit they can declare that US workers with debt must join a low wage labor force created by the state in which they will not be able to pay off the debt ever (de facto debtors indentured servitude)
6) Given the need for Petroleum, Credit, new capital, a global crisis could lead to Big bankers demanding a National Draft and National Service for the purpose of both fighting and extracting resources from other countries

But they wouldn't do that. Would they?

Notes: Wow numbers, $1 Trillion for MIC, $1 Trillion for Social Security, $1 Trillion for Medicare & Medicaid.... 14 Separate Intelligence Agencies, Systemic Abuse of Military Veterans, Systemic Looting of USA Jobs & compensation, Systemic Increase in Compensation for Public & Private Executives

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 01:35 | 4858035 monad
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According to tenured phds in various fields, other less centrally controllable energy resources become 'economically viable' and consumers adapt. A disaster of epic proportion for parasites is not a disaster for anarchosyndicalist libertarians. Its #winning.

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 05:38 | 4858132 smacker
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The economic effects of high and rising fossil fuel energy prices have been known for a fair number of years, since at least the 1980s.

Sadly, instead of planning for it and investing in huge R&D projects into new, alternative sources, our collective political elites have shot the messengers and generally ignored the gathering crises. Except to start wars for control of what's left, introduce phony carbon trading scams and higher carbon taxes to generate more income for State spending on ever more monuments to Big Government.

Whilst our political elites cannot be blamed for the slow end of cheap energy since this is a fact of nature, they are responsible for not taking actions to deal with it. It amounts to a catastrophic failure of governance.

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 09:11 | 4858243 MachoMan
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When the government invests in huge R & D projects we get tesla motors...  Or bullshit solar scams.  What you're asking is something more significant than government can provide.

 

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 09:23 | 4858251 shovelhead
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I thought was bad weather?

Ok it's summer.

Sat, 06/14/2014 - 23:26 | 4857928 Emergency Ward
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"Paranoia strikes deep
Into your life it will creep
It starts when you're always afraid
Step out of line, the man come and take you away"

Buffalo Springfield -- "For What It's Worth"

Sat, 06/14/2014 - 23:46 | 4857959 monad
Sat, 06/14/2014 - 23:24 | 4857929 bankonzhongguo
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This is what makes Google so freaking dangerous - predictive computing.

The big brains inside the Googleplex, which are in fact intel agenents of various powers, want to read your mind - namely they what to know trends before anyone else knows trends.

This is exactly measured by searches typed globally by goofs like you and me.

Add to this their plan to scan all printed material and deep search that content for their own purposes.

All of this is supported by your decision to pay Google for advertising.

In a sense you are paying for your own slavery.

Google sits atop a ton of data.  It is up to them to either make it available, suppress it or otherwise exploit it for their own benefit.  More often than not framing the "debate" is more important than the infomratiom

I said it before but it bears repeating.  This is science fiction in reality.  It is The Mule of the Foundation Series that is able to predict what its enemies are conceiving before it is put into action.

With the exception of a nuke exchange that renders the other sides' server farms useless, this paradigm may last for the next 500 years of human history.

The question will be will the big brains running Google make the determination that "the world" (them) is better off with fewer people (competition) or more (consumers) and what is the threshold.

 

Sat, 06/14/2014 - 23:38 | 4857943 Government need...
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Well in theory, MMT and supply-side economics are both sound.  In reality, they both are ineffective.  So the brainiacs @ google detect a spike in searches for .306 hunting rifles.  They might conclude an imminent danger exists from right-wing, internet-radicalized racists.  Or, they might observe a nationwide sale on .306 rifles @ Cabela's.  Or an influential journalist for 'American Hunter' magazine just touted the .306 as the best rifle ever.  If a single analyst focused on a single individual's internet searches, there would be insufficient data to know much about the individual.  There is no substiute for direct interaction and direct observation.  Also, there is no clear way to determine who is concealing or spoofing their true intent or identity online.  Also, people change through time.  Tim McVeigh was a bloodthirst mass murdered on a single day in his life.  He may have been very law abiding every other day.

Sat, 06/14/2014 - 23:54 | 4857966 Frankie Carbone
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.306? Is that a short-action 30-06 hybrid of a 308? ;) 

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 03:13 | 4858078 intric8
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Use duckduckgo. Fuck google, and fuck zuckerberg. I really dont understand how people can surrender their lives to FB. Everyone is foolish- sick with trust.

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 05:32 | 4858131 Frankie Carbone
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Niave, creduluous, childlike faith. That's the cuttings of an emotionally arrested adult. A pseudo-child in an adults body. 

Sat, 06/14/2014 - 23:25 | 4857931 holdbuysell
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Slightly dated, but worth the watch of a summary of Quigley's works.

The Quigley Formula - G. Edward Griffin lecture

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynVqPnMQ2sI

Sat, 06/14/2014 - 23:38 | 4857949 Radical Marijuana
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Thanks for that link, holdbuysell!

Quigley is one of the most important historians to appreciate to attempt to understand how the world we live in now gradually developed.

That era may well have now been superseded, however, the absurdities of today can be better understood by looking at the history that originally made those developments relatively more rational, during those previous eras, although, those have all jumped the rails into runaway criminal insanities towards the future.

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 17:39 | 4859300 Flagit
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So, would Medical Islam be your polar opposite?

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 17:40 | 4859302 Flagit
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Yes, thank you for that link.

Sat, 06/14/2014 - 23:28 | 4857935 Radical Marijuana
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The "amateurs in black" are never going to be enough to take down the "professionals in black." The greatest threat to the established systems is the fragmentation of the chain of command of the professionals. That is practically guaranteed to eventually happen, because enforcing martial law will result in the professionals being given more and more criminally insane orders, until some line will be crossed where they refuse to obey those orders, which then is the real beginning of serious rebellions, that might result in some kind of revolutions, because, typically, revolutions never succeed unless some of the professionals who were supposed to suppress them decide to join the rebellion, and turn that into revolution instead.

More philosophically, I wonder whether the guys who work so hard to try to model these phenomena ever start thinking that they need to change their paradigms? From the point of view of my own vain political fantasies, the modern military are members of the de facto transnational scientific community, and therefore, ought to seriously question whether they should continue taking orders from the international banksters.

Nobody needs to go through paradigm shifts more than the military, to try to cope with the development of weapons of mass destruction and mass surveillance. For the military to continue to primarily enforce the banksters' financial frauds is something they should meta-model. Perhaps doing that will eventually result in some of them no longer being willing to obey those kinds of orders?

Sat, 06/14/2014 - 23:39 | 4857950 Anusocracy
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Face it, most people are meat-puppets.

The military isn't going to change, and neither is the government. Not as long as they can parasitize the dupes.

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 04:53 | 4858119 August
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The Ceaucescus, for two, were executed by their own security forces.  So, once things get really, really, really bad, the enforcers may just turn on their higher-ups (i.e. the big "banking" frauds).

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 10:30 | 4858305 tony wilson
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mighty ceaucescus of rum romania sure looked weak when the mobbed pop around to his epic palace.

a building bigger than the vatican.

find out where these scum live go around for a chat.

no threats just democracy in action.

if a cheney or a rumsfeld a kissenger or bressinski an axelrod rockerfella of rothschild live nearby pop around for a democratic mexican stand off or  pitch fork free chit chat.

talk.

show them love and compassion.

give them some soft  power back for a change.

soft power nice and slow then ask them about the hiding place of all that gold from libya,iraq,ukrainia and germany.

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 01:48 | 4858040 runningman18
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No revolution is the same, which is why there will never be a predictive model for them.   We can argue all day about what factors "should" be required for victory, like professionals joining the resistance, but in the end, it will be select individuals with drive that decide everything, not predetermined circumstances.  In revolution, there are no "professionals".  If there is any constant in revolution, it is that the winners will always be the people that wanted it more, no matter what their station in life. 

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 09:31 | 4858255 MachoMan
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While every revolution (or human act for that matter) may not be exactly the same, there are common threads and patterns in all of them.  The fruitful knowledge are the threads and patterns, not the particular act.  For example, in the movie "Garden State," Natalie Portman's character tries to get Zach Braff out of his shell and asks him if he's ever done anything that's completely unique.  She then does weird contortions and makes weird noises and proclaims it as a unique act, which he awkwardly tries to follow...

Point being, whether or not the act is unique is irrelevant.  Rather, a predictive model could identify such things as: at what point in each of Natalie's relationships she tries to do this with her significant other; how often she does this alone; what chemical precursors are present in her body that lead to her behaving that way; the time of day it is likely to occur; whether her demeanor is out of the ordinary; etc.  This knowledge could be utilized to keep her from acting.  In other words, something far short of omniscience is sufficient to keep an entire populace in check.

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 10:22 | 4858322 grekko
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Where oh where is John Connor?

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 10:27 | 4858333 lakecity55
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Hopefully off inventing the EMP hand grenade.

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 18:16 | 4859353 johnconnor
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I am here!

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 06:42 | 4858150 layman_please
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there's more and more proof that even revolutions (and i'm not talking about the most recent ones) have been pre-planned and pre-programmed as everything else in our societies. there are probably numerous contingency plans ready when the status quo hits the wall and there will be a bifurcation of history to a new riverbed. why else are these studies made?

they probably have secured the top of the resistance (controlled opposition) long time ago if they aren't their own production to begin with (lenin: the best way to control the opposition is to lead it ourselves). sounds paranoid? yes, but not more than this article.

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 08:11 | 4858194 ricky663
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Bingo!

They can predict human behavior via the social stuff on the 'net, but they still have the "human factor" to deal with.

Until Skynet becomes fully aware (until these programs are able to detect unrest, and release and control the drones), there are humans that will hesitate to do harm to their brothers.

The guys that come up with the movies like "Matrix," and "Terminator" are not far off... they are visionaries.

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 15:52 | 4859056 Incubus
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The future won't be so dystopian.

 

It'll be more like an amalgamation of 1984, Brave New World, and The Matrix.

Hell, if you understand anything about paradigms and the relativity of experience and understanding, you'd realize that we're living in a Matrix right now.

So, they've got THe Matrix and Brave New World down. The last bit of the puzzle will be fully integrating 1984. 

What we'll be facing will be ever worse than Orwell ever could've imagined.   Once something is on the 'net, it isn't going away. 

 

Privacy is a fiction.  Somewhere, someone out there knows more about you than even your closest loved one does.

The future will be one where the smiles are fake, the happiness is fake, the depression is real, and the delusion is real. And it'll all be under the facade of a magazine page lifestyle.

 

Sat, 06/14/2014 - 23:30 | 4857938 Government need...
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So the government's stooges are charged with identifying which Americans might instigate civil disobedience and which Americans might join in civil disobedience.  Wont take long for this devolve into an apparatus for jihad on one's political enemies.

America saw this once before . . . in a place called Salem.

Sat, 06/14/2014 - 23:41 | 4857953 NoWayJose
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When the collapse comes, it will be difficult to keep the local cops 'on duty' as they will either be faced with shooting neighbors or be faced with the need to 'leave the line' to protect their own families. You see a bit of the later in Iraq today. Iraqis are also hoarding food and weapons (surprise!). Rubber bullets are for civilized protests. When the collapse comes they will not stop a crowd of starving pilgrims.

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 06:13 | 4858142 lakecity55
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Was it Greece? One country recently had the Fuzz desert because of Breakdown in Society.

Don't forget New Orleans/Katrina. The Fuzz walked off (some even looted). Some NG units stood down on FA confiscation.

I always figured that was the watershed. Next Katrina (in whatever form), you will be advised to just shoot. I can assure you the mercs they send in will never go into the hood to confiscate anything. If you get disarmed, the hood rats will swarm at night and take your stuff, if you have anything left after the mercs come thru.

Check your State. Some passed laws after that forbidding Citizens being disarmed.

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 23:32 | 4860143 Government need...
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After a 'Katrina', survival is job 1.  Anybody rolling up to my refuge will be rapidly evaluated.  I'm not going to take unnecessary chances just to keep some fool breathing.  In that world, my gun is the law.

Sat, 06/14/2014 - 23:42 | 4857956 monad
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KGB are here, spending some of our money to fuck with us...

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 04:24 | 4858103 conscious being
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What's with you Russophobes?  Why leave out mossad?  All are data belongs to them acording to obummer's edict.  You also left out the NSA, CIA, FBI, ATF, IRS Aand their busted mail servers.

Sat, 06/14/2014 - 23:43 | 4857957 monad
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Their playbook is history.

I find it interesting that the same scams work after 2600 years. "We are evolving, you aren't as gullible as those other suckers." No, these games have been played many times. We are definitely falling for the same shit. Read your history. Ignorance will kill you.

Mon, 06/16/2014 - 18:07 | 4862954 TeethVillage88s
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Demicide is an interesting term, but reflecting on the foreign wars and use of proxies, high finance arrangements, and the free movement of weapons produced from USSR, Russia, France, China, USA, UK:

Well Democide is usually your government killing you or getting you killed, but if you prop up a puppet or a tyrant you sort of Enlarge Democide to Foreign Countries that you Corrupt.

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