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Ukraine Military Transport Plane Shot Down, 49 Killed
While the world's short attention span may have been diverted to Iraq where the ISIS insurgents are now knocking on Baghdad's door, and with it - Iraq's vast southern oil fields and infrastructure (which if taken offline would send oil up to $200 according to T. Boone Pickens). the "out of sight, out of mind" conflict in Ukraine, which the western media dropped covering like a hot potato some time in early May for reasons not entirely known, continues to escalate and where the latest outbreak of violence took place overnight when a Ukraine military transport Il-76 was allegedly shot down by separatists in the city of Lugansk as it was about to land.
As a result of the crash all 49 Ukrainian service personnel on board were killed. The death toll would be the biggest suffered by government forces in a single incident since Ukraine’s government launched a military operation against pro-Russian separatists in the east.
Pro-Russian soldier removes weapons from wreckage of #Ukraine army transport. 49 dead. Latest: http://t.co/4cObYPYLuC pic.twitter.com/NLcf7EuGS9
— Jim Roberts (@nycjim) June 14, 2014
We remind readers that Lugansk is the same city where in the beginning of June a Ukraine fighter jet was caught on tape wantonly bombing civilians in broad daylight resulting in numerous civilians.
As AFP reports, Pro-Russian separatists shot down a Ukrainian military transport plane overnight carrying troops and supplies in the eastern city of Luhansk, the defense ministry said on Saturday. This is the second major reported Ukraine airborne casualty following the downing of a military transport helicopter which took place at the end of May and killed a Ukraine army general.
“On the night of June 13-14, the terrorists...fired from an anti-aircraft weapon and a large calibre machine gun, shooting down military transport aircraft...IL-76 as it was about to land,” the ministry said in a statement, offering its condolences to the victims’ families.
Forty-nine military personnel were killed in the incident, according to military spokesman Vladislav Seleznov.
Luhansk lies near Ukraine’s border with Russia, an area where separatists have seized government buildings and declared independence after holding disputed referendums.
An estimated 270 people have been killed in the violence over the past two months.
In other news, Bloomberg reports that a guard found an explosive device near one of the main entrances of the president's office overnight, Unian news service reports citing an unidentified official from State Guard Department. The device was made of several grenades and mobile phone. Conveniently the man who planted the device escaped, Unian says, so it is unclear if he was a Russian "separatist" or merely hired by the CIA.
That said, we expect the latest tragic development in the Ukraine civil war to get far more western media coverage than the wanton bombing of civilians in the same town by Ukraine forces two weeks ago.
Footage of the incident can be seen below.
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Are you happy, Victoria?
DaddyO
Yeah, that cunt talked shit like she was godon gekko of regime change. I'll bet she has a manicure scheduled today. Victoria Nuland is pig vomit.
The forces of evil expand rapidly.
Ah the statist, ego-eccentricities of mankind
even Chelsea Clinton furthers the devil's imagery... in tight leather pants... I don't know what else to call that look on her... kinda like Spandex was not meant for the masses... but she said she learned right from wrong from her daddy....
Shocking that the Clintons sold their daughter into presstitution ($600K a year from NBC 'News').
It wasn't just a transport as I reported last night...now a SU-24 fighter bomber per Russian and Ukraine sources...
Pro-Russian Separatists Shoot Down Ukrainian SU-24 Bomber
06.13 2300 ET BREAKING NEWS: Ukrainian IL-76 Transport Shot Down with 40 Paratroopers on Board (VIDEO)...USSA Propaganda Machine is now a dying Machine. Be careful out there....Only thing left for USSA is a real Armed Provocation. NOT A BLACK FLAG EVENT BUT A "YELLOW" FLAG EVENT...IS ONE DONE BY COWARDS...THE USSA
Some Donetsk and Russian sources are claiming the losses are much higher, with many foreign snipers also killed. I look forward to the day when the Ukrainian Military overthrow Porkyschenko and hang him by his balls.
if you see the word "sniper" in a press article, might want to disregard it...
This is a dead thread but..
For whatever it is worth..
I have spent thousands of hours in military transport /patrol / surveillance aircraft.
The poor Ukes in that plane were just collateral on a banker mission.
I said a prayer for their families
Good stories John I like your page.
Thanks. I try to keep it peppy...
I'm guessing those aicraft constituted about a third of their total Air Force.
Well John we are certainly living in interesting times. Now if we could only get Ragnar's battleship thrown into the mix.
People say she grew out of her homelyness. I disagree.
http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-moms/news/chelsea-clinton-rocks-leat...
thunder thighs... rockin' the leather pants. it's the platform shoes she could probably do without. go with old-fashioned stilettos instead.
as Howard Stern would say: "She's a Cunnnnnnnnnnn...."
Hi Ho Silver options !
Yellen says inflation is at bay. Cough...
Keep on stackin.
I am stacking paper silver ' FULL RETARD.
The US Military's CO's, it's civilian leadership, and their corporate MIC masters are completely out matched tactically, under educated on the regions they are doing battle in, and frankly tired as hell and demoralized!
India, China, Russia, Brazil, SE Asia, and most of Africa knows it!!
Only those equally delusional and benefiting from a broken, corrupt, freud ridden system, that was organized 65 years ago, don't see it yet! And even some of them are waking up quickly!
People are governed in this world ultimately by "consent" or death, Americans are under the illusion we have what we have because we are entitled to it! Nothing could be further from the truth and soon 100's of millions of Americans are going to find out what that delusional miscalculation will cost them!!
A fine post "Renewable Life". I have to agree, as we see in Iraq, people are calling America's bluff. We Americans don't think we are bluffing, we mostly think we are all powerful and able to force anyone we want to obey. This power we feel entitled to based on our excetional economic and military powers. But, as you say, only we are buying into this lie now a days.
The leaders of America and the people both actually believe the propaganda that our corporate media presents. The American are fast becoming victims of their own propaganda. This is because Americas get only one side of every story. Media presents the neo-con and neo-liberal Washington concensus.
The recent events in Iraq, that nobody saw coming is an example. The East Ukrainian resistance to the US imposed Coup Government in Kiev is another example.
I know Americans who are amazed that East Ukrainians can even read and write, let alone use missiles to shoot down the planes of America's allies. Clueless is what most Americans are. They can't believe anyone can defy America and live to tell the tale.
Not only are America's enemies "living to tell the tale", they are adapting and getting stronger by the days and months!! After 13 years of war and taking the biggest punch America had in Iraq, Afganistan, and a dozen other Countries, these "rebels" are just starting to get tough and strong enough to really resist!!
Meanwhile America is broke, divided, exhausted, and demoralized!
That is a recipe for total defeat, Vietnam style!!! But this time unlike then, the lose we are describing, will usher in a new world order and most likely the end of America as most know it!!
Can't believe the US didn't learn more (?anything) from Vietnam.
Merika is a lot like a Goldfish.
It did learn all the lessons from Vietnam - it just promptly forgot them all.
(and/or gets distracted by sparkly objects)
Do you really believe she makes her own decisions?
Kimberly Marten (CFR) laying out how the USA should "help" the Ukraine, march 6th 2014
http://thedailyshow.cc.com/videos/3on1kz/exclusive---kimberly-marten-ext...
http://thedailyshow.cc.com/videos/svcw3u/exclusive---kimberly-marten-ext...
They really don't have a clue do our supposed elites.
No plan survives first contact with the enemy, and their plans are full of holes to start
with.
Kimberly Marten represents the exceptional American pronouncing judgement on everyone. What gives her this power? She is American, she is exceptional and she works for the neo-con military industrial media spy complex. She is on TV to make sure even liberals support the NATO war machine. She talks like she is so arrogant and sure of herself. In the rest of the world, her exceptional powers of insight would be laughed at. She is a propaganda whore, one designed to control liberals into supporting the neo-con war mongers. Conservatives have their masters of propaganda, liberal also their masters of propaganda. Both parties end up with the very same support for neo-con war mongering and the empire.
Oil to $200? But the Bakken will save us!!
Oil will never make it to $200/bbl. When they manipulated it to $145/bbl in 2008, they deliberatlly tanked the economy to give us 0zer0. That was with an economy that was much stronger than today. I doubt this economy can support $125/bbl oil, and certainly not $150/bbl, let alone $200/bbl. Pikens has probably got another wind power deal cooking so he HOPES oil goes to $200/bbl.
They'll get it to @200 so they can usher in Hitlery.
Sick as it sounds, yes she is happy.
Big plane make big fireball! Must have run into some humanitarian aid from Mother Russia.
What is wrong with Russia providing people with arms to defend themselves? I don't approve of Russian or NATO forces getting involved but as long as the seperatists do the fighting for themselves it fits with the American idea of independence.
I say American meaning the USA, not the USSA.
I'm not weighing in on either side, but you obviously haven't seen the videos of these so called separatists... There are hardened Russian war veterans from the Chechnya campaigns moving daily into east Ukraine. Do some research on Strelkov, the commander of the pro- Russian forces.
Russia has propaganda too you know.
http://youtu.be/dQx_-Gc8wos
Read the comments. Do they look like local militiamen to you?
You know, you can be a veteran and still do whatever you want once you are out, even fight in a civil war. Surplus military clothing is cheap everywhere and its not difficult for someone to raid an abandonded armory and hand out the booty to anyone who wants it.
Those guys didn't have cold hard stares. They were smiling and laughing and warming each others spirits, dealing with the fact they may not go home to their loved ones.
ignorant post
there are thousands of vets and ex services live in these regions..older guys with deep experience...
Afgantsy and other conflicts....they defend their families, homes...
Russia and Putin are not allowing the United States borders to be invaded. The NWO, Obam and Democrats and RINOS are. Go F yourself.
Ukraian-nazi-USA guys are idiots. Pro-rus ukrainians said them - no flying here or we will shot it down
Hopefully Victoria Nuland was onboard handing out cookies to the US/NATO funded mercs.
And maybe this turns up the heat.
Bummer, next time don't butcher women and children as part of strategy cooked by our out of control state department.
It is a war.
Hmmm. It's a fair point to make. Amazingly, some folks (or at least this is what much of the media portrays it as) seem to think a war means - we shoot at you, and you get shot at (by us).
But.
If you shoot back at us - you're doing it wrong!!
Can anyone with an ounce of sense explain to me how flying military transports full of soldiers into a disputed territory is a good way to negotiate with your adversary?
I mean, WTF???
Obama's team is deserving of another Nobel Peace prize
It does not hurt to write to the Nobel piece of shit committee to nominate the mother fucker for another piece of shit prize. At least you shame them if they still possess a molecule of humanity.
Ww3 in 3.... 2... 1.. Go!
I feel really sorry for the Western Ukrainian dupes who are fighting. Most of them want to join the EU so they can move to Paris and live the high life chasing French girls. In reality they would end up as painters or janitors living in the slums and the French girls would have nothing to do with them. They don't understand they are fighting to make their lives worse.
Yes they want the high life from the west, but French girls? Ukraine has way better looking women than the french.
Ukrainian women are Hitler's wet dream, blonde with blue eyes, there's even a Ukrainian model who looks like a real-life barbie.
well there you go you said it yourself " barbie" ...
America's definition of beauty..
Sure i loved "frenching " those big american balloons and fish lips, but that is really fun just for a month or two , after that you realize that the lack of brains is just to unbearable .
Yes Those blonde Barbies are hotter on a percentage basis, but they Have NOTHING on a hot french women, not that you tried either ...
I guess you only were able to french the hot blonde.
just one ??? lol amateurs...
Everyone knows Ukraine is valued for two things: 1) their rich wheat fields, and 2) the most beautiful women in Eurasia. Second best are those up near Estonia and Latvia. This is what my Russian friends told me when I was living in NYC a few years ago. Try attending one of those Ukrianian festivals they have in major cities; the girls will knock your socks off...literally!
Even that evil bitch Yulia isn't too hard on the eyes.
Nothing wrong with her that a ball-gag, hand cuffs and ankle cuffs couldn't fix.
Gotta say that French women all seem to have one especial quality ... they all try to make the very best of their physical attributes.
This mindset is not shared across Europe.
Obviously, not every one is beautiful, but their attitude I find to be quite endearing.
Well, that's been my experience, for what it's worth.
i was in an elevator at comdex back in the '90s. these people got into the elevator, and i just knew they were french; so well dressed, and looking like they smoked gitanes. i said, 'you're french, right?' and they said, 'oui'. french are cool. check out laetitia casta...
I think they are learning quite fast; this whole Maidan revolution thing didn't turn out it was supposed to.
Only the extreme Svoboda and Right Sektor are willing to fight. The rest is just going through the motions.
Good to know that Reptil. Thanks.
Why would someone fight to become an IMF slave? Lets see I just woke up a free man let me get my gun and fight so I can become someones bitch who will own me and my land and house I will have to mortgage to make ends meet.
Freedom is slavery.
GEt with the program Winston!
Better to be a slave to Russia? Are you FUCKING NUTS!
That Polish "Slavery" to the IMF seems to look pretty good to just about every world observer outside of Princess Putin's echo chamber.
Cosmos, real people are dying for absolutely no good reason right now. If you really love Russia then march your sorry ass out into the streets and demand a stop to this and an investigation into the rampand corruption your country is suffering under.
Or are you a Chechen? That might explain your war-mongering.
One of things that really bother me about the situation in the Ukraine is that Putin never helped all of the people there who wanted to come back to Russia before his buddy got kicked out. Why would Putin ignore all of these fine, honest, loving, people who lived in Ukraine for so many years. At anytime before his billion dollar buddy got removed he could have called on the pro- Russian people and worked with them to achieve reentry to the mother country. Why did Putin treat them with such distain? Why did he not help them to achieve this goal through a peacefull and democratic process. It is clear from reading pro Russian posters on the internet and media outlets that a majority wanted to be part of Russian for a long time. Why did Putin wait? I do not understand this at all. Putin is a man of the people. Who only works for the good of the country. He is kind, honest, and loving much like the pro Russian Ukrainians so why was he so dismissive of them?
The daily sitreps from Strelkov indicate that the Ukrainian fighters are suffering from increasingly terrible morale. Lots of drunkenness and random shootings, absolutely no discipline.
An army like that can't last long. Expect western professionals to take over soon.
Already happening?
http://www.voltairenet.org/article184267.html
The Polish bear baiting is not going to end well.
You get what you pay for.
Why couldn't they move to Paris now?
by the end of 2014,all Ukrainian citizens will be allowed visa free travel to the EU
by the end of 2014,all Ukrainian citizens will be allowed visa free travel to the EU
Pollacks and French girl are both bad idea....forget
and not compatible either
"Whoa Dammit" You have come very close to the truth with your post. The strong EU support among the young of West Ukraine is from their desire to get an EU pass port and the right of free movement. They all love Ukraine, but they will leave the minute the ink is dry on their pass port. They will flood into France, Germany and the UK. All looking for girls and handouts from the welfare states. At best, they will clean toilets and scrb floors, or pick fruit in Kent in season. Look, the girls of Paris will piss on these Ukie slobs with no money and a job cleaning toilets.
But they can already today get a work permit to enter EU and clean toalets, trains, streets....
Why the dumbos do not do it already now?
Here in Austriaq we have an excessive biomass from Afrika and Asia, more than 10% of the inhabitants. You see here only the top 10000 from Ua.
you get a social wellfare per perswon 748 Euro per month....
Why, the article asks, was MSM coverage dropped?
After the US-controlled IMF instructed Kiev that military conquest of the eastern sectors was required to get paid,
the MSM dropped inconvenient 24-7 coverage which would have included Kiev's attempted ethnic cleansing campaign.
Instead, the coverage now consists of periodic verbatim repetition of Washington/Kiev newspeak that any conflict is only because "the Russians are invading!".
You mean the news is nothing more than programming designed to formulate public consent and when that programming fails, a new "show" is placed front and center.
SHIT!
THE MORE YOU WATCH THE LESS YOU KNOW.
BITCHEZ
Taking plane down is easy.Do not trust me?Put aside all beverages and check this
http://content.foto.my.mail.ru/mail/nastasij4/110/h-115.gif
Pretty amazing how a garden tool striking the prop would start an engine fire on a WWII fighter. Oh, and it's in color too...
It might damagea prop enough to cause a crash-not much margin at that altitude but yeah, the flames are Hollywood.
Interesting to see them called terrorists. Terrorist or Freedom Fighter depends on which side you are on, and of course, which side eventually wins.
We liked it when the Mujahadeen were hiding in caves and fighting the Soviet Union. But not so much when they were fighting us.
George Washington was a terrorist - until he won.
uh...appears he is on terrist list again these days..
I wonder what provocations towards Russia the new Ukraine goverment wil do after this, yesterday they already sent 2 apc over the russian border. They are just giving Russia more reasons to react. I think its gonna play out same as georgia they poke the bear with the US behind them Russia wil threaten to use nukes the US wil back off but send more troops to guard the NATO borders and Ukraine surver badly and eventualy split up. With the stonger US presence in NATO countries near the Russian borders they will be able to react to Russia's claims over the North pole and all its natural riches.
The russians know that as well. So, here's what I think; they do nothing.
They know that support of the Ukranian government will evaporate once the austerity kicks in.
Exactly. When your enemy is intent on destroying himself, why do anything to interfere?
Russia will allow low-level inflows of weapons and small arms, contain any massive exodus of refugees, and sit and wait. Austerity, winter, and the savagery of the Ukrainian Nazis will do the rest.
The USA/NATO better station its troops in the Arctic where the black gold is lol, instead of sending Greenpeace to take over Russian oil rigs. But Ukraine does have some of the best soil on Earth for Agriculture so it makes sense everyone wants a slice of the pie. You can't do without food, that is one thing that will get the mobs into the streets right away.
The Pro-Russia separatists only needs to turn Eastern Ukraine into a "roach motel" for Ukie soldiers (poor wretches), ZATO mercenaries, and any aircraft flying in from the West.
Let them in, never to be heard from again.
Time to dust off the partisan playbooks from WWII. Perhaps a new title would be appropriate "How to Wage Asymetric Warfare against Zionist Stooges" would appropriate meethinks...
Why are there so many anti Russian savage Nazis in the Ukraine? I would have thought that Putin could have used his immense power and intelligence over the last years to eliminate them prior to the current situation. As we have learned recently he hates Nazis and he had years while President of Russian to deal with them. Why has he waited for these evil and savage scum to come to power before doing anything to protect the pro- Russian people of Ukraine? It does not make sense. No way he was unaware of the Nazis till now. Does anyone have an answer?
Mostly those are Pollocks, Pravyi Sektor stronghold is Lyiv, far west former Polish lands...
Forest NAZI's....been getting guidance from "advisors in polish camps past and ongoing...
poor lands and weak brains...they are Kyiv Monsters idea for cannon fodder enforcers now...but expendable and plan is they can be discarded later...
These make up most of National Guard...Very much amateurs and high casualties so far..
better at burn women and shell children playing than any real fight....
That is the best course of action for russia yes but have you seen russian news or tv lately. Putin is under huge presure to do something about ukraine, alot of members of the duma urged publicly to restrict a no fly zone over east ukraine. This is all caused by the US response to the crisis with Psaki laughing and smerking about it when she talks about the ukraine situation, Putin used this in his "propaganda" and this is what sparked the separatist to act. But now the ukraine goverment is forcing putin to act by their anti terrorist operation. Trust me putin is emboldened by his new surge in popularity and doesnt want to lose his new found popularity. so the question is now will putin choose to serve the russian people or just his interest (the riches of the north pole). I agree with you he is def going for the long game not the short gain but as i watch russian tv i can tell you russians are getting real angry about how they feel they are treated (sanctions) .When the new sanctions hit and hurt the russian economy and the ordanairy russian all SHIT will hit the fan
Kyiv intentionally provokes...
There is a plan behind that
Not to react on their terms is main...
Wait
"That said, we expect the latest tragic development in the Ukraine civil war to get far more western media coverage than the wanton bombing of civilians in the same town by Ukraine forces two weeks ago."...
And another story we won't be hearing about anytime soon undergoing preparation for "something else"...
http://rt.com/news/165872-military-exercises-planes-disappearing/
Poroshenko downing his own planes while obozo rolls out the red carpet for jihadists to take baghdad again. Big oil is ecstatic and veers left and defense is fist pumping for iraq 2.0 knowing that dems will soon be with the program. quite naturally the question arises - is this a plan by the dems to render the traditional republican party completely irrelevant? Im getting a sneaky feeling obozos true neocon colors will come more and more to light through the end of his term.
I'm sure that this will be all resolved/ignored/downplayed in the media by 6pm futures open on Sunday.
that would be 6am take down for silver ..
until...
The Saker (with whom I have no connection), writing from Florida at The Vineyard of the Saker , provides, in my opinion, by far the most penetrating and incisive coverage of the USA/Nazi alliance in Ukraine. Even the comments are informative and perceptive.
You can confirm this by skimming his RSS feed page. Note particularly the COMBAT SITREPS.
I particularly recommend (the first is extremely powerful — and very graphic beginning at [02:31]):[VIDEO - 04:39] '"For Inna" - a video which should be circulated worldwide'
[VIDEO: 01:18] Save Donbass People from Ukrainian Army!
Translation of the "must read" article of worldcrisis.ru explaining why there is no Russian intervention in the Ukraine
Considering the "what ifs" and "then whats" of a direct Russian intervention in the Donbass
Should be good for a Monday rally.
very bullish for market all that, monday DJ and SP will set new records, I buy call on Asian opening, except a 500 points rally on the DJ. Let's be patriotic, the market is overbought who cares ? Yellen will print more, whatever she might say..
"We remind readers that Lugansk is the same city where in the beginning of June a Ukraine fighter jet was caught on tape wantonly bombing civilians in broad daylight resulting in numerous civilians."
You mean numerous civilian pieces?
mass graves is the story...found in the mostly Kyiv controlled countryside not far from the area of Kyivs "Nats" forces buildup and hospital/morgue areas....
many accounts tell the "National Guard" Pravyi Sector amateurs have very high losses...
Reports of lots of weighted bodies(young males) dumped in lakes in
ex Kiev controlled area's.
Ethnic cleansing seems to be more important than securing territory.
No wonder they are getting their ass handed to them.
War is an unpredictable and nasty thing.
When war is waged on you by your own cousins who knows what it can escalate to?
At about this time the people of Ukraine might be deciding which Cities in Russia should be the first to get the dirty bombs.
Meanwhile, real nukes are VERY likely under development. The 1994 agreement has been torn up by Princess Putin and now millions of Russian might just pay the price.
You Russians of ZH, you have the responsibility to stop this Russian aggression if you have influence. You are no longer dealing just with Chechens, people easily identifiable by their accents and their looks. Consider that for a moment.
And there is no "End Game" to this other than for Russia to stop. Ukraine is just in response mode for now. Are you really going to allow this conflict to grow, month after month? Again, war is unpredictable.
Who is your leader that would go down such a STUPID path?
You clearly don't know who Victoria Nuland is do you? If you do - I can only conclude you either work for her, or perhaps work for someone else in the State Department.
Question to you: who stirred up this mess in the Ukraine?
Seriously. Provide me with an answer - dates included please.
What! He is not answering? Checking State Department Bullet Points hand out sheet?
I didn't realize the US State Department had an HASBARA department.
I thought only one country hosted paid Hasbara, but I guess even big retarded brothers can learn from their more malicious silblings with napoleonic complexes.
Yaaaaawn. Actually, the burden of proof in on YOU, No-I-des.
It is you that makes the claims of paid spies and an engineered rebellion. Occam's Razor says that the protests were legitimate and the grievances were real. So YOU provide proof that agents from foreign countries orchestrated the ouster of the kleptocrat, Yanucovych.
Funny! I have to say to all of you that this line of talk, that the present government is "Illegitimate", is no longer the Kremlin talking point. Comrades, it is sooo three months ago.
Your buddy, Princess Putin, has already recognized the legitimacy of Poroschenko claim to leadership. Please report back to your handlers and get the updated directives, K?
I was not aware we here at the ZH boards had that kind of Power.
Cool.
Shhhhh....
How much is Kaganovic Nudelman paying you?
are you happy with Waltzman Porosenko?
Is Jaceniuk having Jarmulka on the head today?
Kolomojskij is a good person you belive?
My concern would be more with the Nukes on the Russian and Chinese subs off the coastline of the instigators of this conflict.
You need to educate yourself about nuclear weapons, Comrade. Sub ICBMs have a substantial range which there very name should hint to.
Start by looking up ICBM.
NoVictim. Rot in your own feces, face down and please take your spawn with you if you have any, you warmongering fuckin peice of shit. May we meet on a battlefeild where I could sight you in. I would aim for your balls but It would be hard to miss your Big Mouth that is full of Shit.
BULLISH !
They need to target those loaded with the Israeli oligarchs who are running the show.
In other news, Embassy of the Russian Federation has been attacked in Kiev by nationalist forces.
Live stream:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soLM7wEBrhU
They are trying really hard to drag Russia into this conflict.
I was reading some sources a few days ago that said that Kiev was now desperate to drag Russia into a border crossing. As it is, Kiev is losing their war and NATO is not coming in to help. Only by baiting Russia into direct military action can Kiev be rescued by NATO from their military defeats in the East. So, my sources said that Kiev was planning something big to force Putin to act, so that Kiev could then ask NATO for direct troops on Ukraine soil. Several possible false flag attacks were mentioned. Or perhaps attacking embassy and killing Russian there would force Putin.
All we can say is this. Kiev is being badly beaten in their war efforts.
Kiev wants Russia to cross the border, is depserate for them to do it.
Kiev want to go to NATO and demand NATO troops move to act in defense of Kiev's coup leaders.
With these three thing for certain, we can look for some serious things to happen very soon. Maybe right now.
Jack, what if Putin pulls a fast one and asks for UN Peacekeepers instead?
Would that not throw a wrench into the Plan?
No, because UN Peacekeepers are only armed with a blue helmet.
The trust in the UN is Gone. As is the IMF as it seems they all have the same Goals. I will not surender to a One World Government......Hell , I don't even like the people in ower now , Why do I want them to even have Moar power. Transparency is a new requirement if the system wants to succeed. The financial control was given to the rich under the guise of jobs creation. When will that happen>?
No UN make it worse...
ask Serbs
look who pays UN bills
No doubt the vast majority were 18-25. A sad world we live in.
As for the shoot down of the Kiev military supply plane. Well, it was loaded with combat troops and weapons. They were going to be used to wage war against East Ukraine. So, it was a very good target for the Self Defense Forces to hit. A big combat win before these troops could go into action. Also, after the rocket attacks on the city, a few self defense force members were quoted on post attack videos saying "not to worry, revenge would be coming very soon."
So then, the murdered civilians have been avenged by the self defense fighters. It also appears another Ukaine bomber attacks a town was shoot down yesterday. Happily the pilot got out and is now in the hands of the local self defense fighters. He is reported to be under investigation by the local police for the crime of bombing a city. Guilty?
Absolutely! Following orders of his superiors is no excuse vide Nuremberg Principle IV.
OK, Jerry I have kidnapped the Rabbit!
Want him back? It's gonna cost.
Right now I am hungry. You better call fast, Jerry.
Newman.
worst geo-political risk since 9-11 these days
The threat that the Russian might use nukes on the Ukrainians (who stupidly agreed to get rid of theirs in 1994) reminds me of the story of the masked gunman who runs into the bank with a gun to his own head and screams:
"Hand over all the money or I shoot the hostage!"
When was this threat ever made?
Except by you spewing forth more hate and disinformation.
to "Ukraine fighter jet was caught on tape wantonly bombing civilians in broad daylight resulting in numerous civilians":
It seems the same kind of "civilians" being bombed previously by Ukraine plane had now shot down this other Ukraine military plane.
It's not usual "civilians" have such large caliber military skills and guns ...... Lugansk must have many Batman style "civilians".
You must be an everage arrogant american joe who needs to be aducated a little bit.
In russian schools there is mandatory course called "Civil Defence". During this course every student must achieve the following:
With his or her eyes closed student has to take apart and then put together AKM while the match burns. Accurate shooting follows.
Every man in Russia must be a soldier, every woman must take care about wounded