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Russia Rejects Ukraine's Gas Deal; 2am Eastern Deadline Looms

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As suspected given the huge distance between the bid and offer, the EU-brokered Ukraine-Russia gas deal has failed:

  • GAZPROM CEO MILLER LEAVES SITE OF UKRAINE GAS TALKS
  • GAZPROM SAYS TALKS ENDED, DEADLINE WON'T CHANGE (negotiate that!)
  • RUSSIA REJECTED EU'S GAS PROPOSAL: OETTINGER
  • UKRAINE WAS READY TO ACCEPT EU PROPOSAL ($300-$385): PRODAN (lol!!)

Gazprom seeks $1.95bn from Ukraine for past shipments of gas by the 10am Moscow time deadline (2amET) and will continue to seek upfront payments for any further shipments.

As Reuters notes,

Russia and Ukraine failed to resolve a gas pricing dispute at talks and a 0600 GMT deadline for Ukraine to pay $1.95 billion in gas debts still stands, a spokesman for Russian natural gas producer Gazprom said on Monday. Spokesman Sergei Kupriyanov said after talks in Kiev that Russia would switch to an advance payment system if it did not receive the money, meaning Moscow could cut off gas supplies to Ukraine.

Cutting supplies could disrupt the gas flow to the European Union.

"The talks in Kiev ... finished around 2:30 a.m. Moscow time (2230 GMT on Sunday). The Russian side is expecting payment of the accumulated gas debt of $1.951 billion before 10 a.m. (0600 GMT) on June 16," Kupriyanov said.

"If the funds are not paid, gas supplies will, as was announced earlier, be switched to a pre-payment system."

Russia and Ukraine disagree how much Kiev should pay for the natural gas it receives from Russia.

European Energy Commissioner Guenther Oettinger told reporters in Kiev that he had made a compromise proposal during talks which began late on Sunday but Moscow had declined the offer. This follows after weeks of Oettinger assuring anyone who cares to listen to him that a deal was assured. Apparently not.

The lack of a deal is hardly surprising given the distance between bid and offer (as Bloomberg notes),

EU proposed gas price range of about $300-$385/kcm, Naftogaz CEO Kobolyev says at news conference in Kiev.

 

Gazprom sought about $500/kcm; Ukraine won’t pay $500/kcm: Kobolyev

 

Ukraine was ready to accept EU proposal: Ukraine Energy Minister Proda

It seems the market had begun to expect this failure...

OAO Gazprom sank to a one-week low in New York on concern Ukraine won’t pay the Russian producer money it owes for natural gas supplies by today’s deadline, potentially disrupting shipments through the country.

 

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“There is a risk,” Mattias Westman, who oversees about $3.6 billion in Russian assets as chief executive officer at Prosperity Capital in London, said by phone on June 13. “Investors are focusing on the outlook for Gazprom’s revenue if there are disruptions of gas supplies to Europe.”

But now the next phase of the Russia vs Ukraine/Europe escalation commences, as Russia truly flexes its commodity muscles.

 

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Sun, 06/15/2014 - 19:46 | 4859517 CrashisOptimistic
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The EU's proposal is lower than what the rest of Europe is paying for Russian gas, so if Russia had accepted it, they could have demaned renegotiation of all the other contracts.

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 19:47 | 4859522 knukles
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Sweat in the Heat before you Freeze in the Dark

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 19:53 | 4859537 AlaricBalth
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Today forests cover about 11 million ha of all Ukrainian territories. In 1978, the general forest area of the Ukrainian SSR was 9.7 million ha, of which 8.3 million were covered with trees. On the average 13.6 percent of Ukraine's territory is under forest.

Better start chopping.

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 20:08 | 4859567 Latina Lover
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The Ukrainian Oligarchs wanted to buy gas at a discount (say  $325) and resell it in Europe and/or the rest of the Ukraine at $385 per cubic foot, pocketing the difference for themselves. Unfortunately for these greedy assholes, they are playing a very weak hand.

 

There is no reason for Russia to give them a discount, and many reasons to fuck them really hard for their constant threats and provocations against Russian and Russian interests. Meanwhile the Ukrainians continue to face more austerity, more pension cuts, higher prices for food and gas, and an oppressive fascist government that stamps out any dissent. Worst of all, their Kiev Kriminal Kabal is beholden to the USSA/Nuland/Nudlemans, who will bend the Ukies over, giving it to them, good and hard.  Just ask the Iraqis, Libyans, Afgani's,...etc etc

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 20:16 | 4859599 vincenze
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The Ukrainian Oligarchs own plants that consume a lot of energy producing steel, chemicals, fertilizers, etc.

They were very profitable when Russian energy was cheap.

 

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 20:40 | 4859671 Latina Lover
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and when they could sell their output to Russia, who was Ukraines largest single market. Just ask Porkyschenko, so called chocolate king.

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 20:54 | 4859726 Volkodav
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yeh, that and profitable by the fact they stole them in first place ....

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 20:18 | 4859605 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Better start chopping.

All that green wood won't be very dry by winter. Better start chopping the furniture too.

And don't you dare complain about the cold to the Yatzi junta in Kiev. They'll give you a nice little gift of white phosphorus to keep warm, just like they did in Donbass, and call it a Slavyansk heater.

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 20:25 | 4859630 Volkodav
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Da..  the Pravyi Sektor Pollack "Forest NAZI's" that don't die as cannon fodder for the

Kyiv monsters will be busy other than burn women and bomb children playing...

How many make it back to Lyiv? They were always expendable..

 

Mon, 06/16/2014 - 09:15 | 4860824 TruthHunter
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So the Ukrainians freeze in the dark til they come to their senses. Big deal...

Who protects the pipelines to Europe?

It's not about dinosaur farts, its a pretext for a fight.

 

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 19:49 | 4859525 Headbanger
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Gee, ya thunk thinks might change a wee bit when it gets a little cooler come October comrade??

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 19:54 | 4859543 CrashisOptimistic
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Not quite as seasonal as presumed.

Nat Gas makes lots of electricity.

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 19:59 | 4859554 Newsboy
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Ukraine takes the hit since nobody will pick up that bill.

Russia is trying hard to avoid being zombie-bitten. 

Very harsh game the US is playing with real people.

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 20:15 | 4859591 Latina Lover
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The Ukies deserved to get screwed, punishment for stupidly overthrowing one old fat oligarch, replacing him with another old fat oligarch, while losing Crimea, Donetsk, Lugansk, and most of their economy.They keep insulting and threatening Russia, the only country that would genuinely help them. Meanwhile, the rest of Europe is trying to maximize their exploitation of Ukraine.

 

In less than 12 months, the Maidanites will be  forced to whore their daughters, send their sons into USSA inspired wars as cheap cannon fodder, and send their babushkas to rifle garbage cans.

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 20:16 | 4859598 i_call_you_my_base
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Agree. Neither choice was good, but when you're bankrupt, there are only bad choices. The better choice was Russia. Cheap gas and a $25 billion bail out. It wasn't a bad deal.

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 20:26 | 4859629 Latina Lover
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Ultimately, the best choice for the Ukies would be to default on their debts and screw both the West and Russia. However, the Oligarchs were  not about to lose most of their assets, hence the IMF, the better way to bend over the Ukie public.

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 20:31 | 4859646 i_call_you_my_base
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I tend to agree with you on the default v. bail out question, but it's tough. When you're a smaller country you are at the mercy of the large blocks. If ukraine defaults and are punished by both sides, whoever made the decision won't last long in office. A politician can't weather a long-term decision with short-term losses.

As debt always is, it's a problem only solved by not being in that situation in the first place.

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 20:35 | 4859657 Headbanger
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Oh nein nein nein nein..

When you owe a bank $1000, the bank owns you.

 

But when you owe the bank $100,000,000,000

You own the bank!

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 20:49 | 4859708 Volkodav
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Well,   Ukies themselves are not in control...Kyiv tyrannical squatter govt is...

Best start is the east keep resist and  kick the Oligarchs, take over their stuff..

Russia is willing to work with the people.

 

 

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 23:09 | 4860095 Jack Burton
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Total Ukraine default on all outstanding debts. This is their only play. Western banks would be fucked.

Russian gas suppliers would take a 4 billion dollar hit.

The morning after total default, only god knows what would happen.

People without jobs, pensions, health care and all forms of social welfare. All gone in an eye blink.

Ukraine is promised prosperity from the EU. They need only take 17 billion in IMF loans. Institute IMF austerity plans. After a few years it is expected economic growth will take off. This is the story the EU is selling. But the EU does not control energy supplies or prices for Ukraine. Only Russia can provide abundant and cheap gas. Now the question, "given the nazi coup government in Kiev, why would Russia send discount gas to Ukraine?"

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 20:41 | 4859676 Volkodav
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It was a great deal.

compare to a quick peruse of the EU promoted agreements...IMF demands..etc.

and loss of any illusion of sovereigty that Ukrainians had held on to... 

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 20:44 | 4859684 fxrxexexdxoxmx
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Damn right. Only Putin should be allowed to make billions stealing the natural resources of Mother Russia. Anyone or anything which gets in the way of him getting richer is the work of Neo Nazis, the CIA and Mossad.

If the gas gets cut off does that mean the pro Russian people of Ukraine still get gas? How will they do that?

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 20:52 | 4859722 kowalli
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Google gas lines in Ukraine... JUSt do it before posting something like this

Mon, 06/16/2014 - 01:44 | 4860402 Buck Johnson
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I know, they won't accept.  And the way they see it if yoiu want to support Ukraine so much give them the money to pey us.

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 19:48 | 4859518 LetThemEatRand
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I'm just glad that when the West "blinks*," it's my tax dollars that will go to pay the bill which is largely owed to central banks.

*is it blinking when the West is controlled by banks that want to have us taxpayers pay back the debt owed to them and this whole thing is a charade to make the American public believe that we had to pay the banks back for some humanitarian reason?

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 19:52 | 4859533 KarlGDenninger
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lots of hardware moving to Ukraines border. Check out youtube. I get the feeling this wasnt just a gas deadline I think Russia may have had enough

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 20:00 | 4859552 LetThemEatRand
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There are a lot of pieces falling into place.  We have the neo-cons telling us that we never should have left Iraq as the mess we left behind falls into inevitable chaos, we have China fucking around with Vietnam, we have Japan and China fucking around over some islands (that's been quiet for a while), we have the whole Russia/Ukraine situation, and then there's all the really important stuff like the fact that oil is spiking during a period where consumers are already tapped out, and then there's that whole thing where the global commodities markets are about to implode unless they can put the toothpaste back in the Chinese derivative market tube reported on ZH over the last few days, and ... I'm sure I'm missing a bunch of stuff.

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 20:46 | 4859693 fxrxexexdxoxmx
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You forgot to mention that Obama was at fund raiser before and after he went golfing.

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 20:50 | 4859712 LetThemEatRand
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You mean a bribery meeting?

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 20:59 | 4859737 Andy Lewis
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Why isn't he at home fucking the Mooch?

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 22:46 | 4860024 Wahooo
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Mr. Mooch is fucking Reggie Love.

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 23:49 | 4860176 Ms. Erable
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Because, while dumb as a post, he's not blind.

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 20:51 | 4859713 CrashisOptimistic
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Odds 50/50, maybe higher, that China did some drilling off Vietnam and came up empty.

If there's nothing there, there's nothing there.

Which in a macro context is the worst of all possible results.

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 21:17 | 4859794 Uber Vandal
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Only 13 more days to Arch Duke 100 year Anniversay, and then one month until the other 100 year Anniversary.........

http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/archduke-ferdinand-assassinated

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 20:00 | 4859558 Bingo Hammer
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I'm thinking first week of July that the "European Summer" really get's going....flashpoints are appearing everywhere

Mon, 06/16/2014 - 04:53 | 4860516 ebear
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Can't happen until the fall.  The French are on vacation for all of July and August.

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 19:53 | 4859538 i_call_you_my_base
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Now that is what you call "costs".

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 19:54 | 4859539 AdvancingTime
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This is a big deal! It does not help that this is happening at a time that Iraq is falling apart. Allowing events to deteriorate into a major war or possibly into what some see as World War III is becoming a reality.

As insane as it appears this could become the final outcome. The location of this as a military confrontation is right in Putin's backyard and this is a strong advantage for Russia. It is silly to think Putin and Russia will back down. This means poking the bear is not a smart move. More on this subject in the article below.

 http://brucewilds.blogspot.com/2014/04/war-in-ukraine-bad-idea_26.html

 

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 19:56 | 4859548 CrashisOptimistic
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Nothing quite so low as a weasel that pimps his blog on other people's traffic.

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 20:01 | 4859561 i_call_you_my_base
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Bankers are lower.

Mon, 06/16/2014 - 05:30 | 4860534 JustUsChickensHere
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WWIII has been underway for a few years.... it is being fought differently this time, because all the rational players do not want it to be settled with Nukes.

The result is a huge currency war, and multiple colour revolutions... which are just the new sort of term for battle area engagements. Multiple theaters of war, including the massive propaganda war.

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 19:56 | 4859545 stant
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And Austria has no fuel for its army.

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 19:56 | 4859546 Bingo Hammer
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Escalation...De-escalation...Escalation...

Fraud, conspiracy, corruption in all directions as far as the eye can see.

Madmen across the globe are in control of the "ship" everywhere and all of them are hell bent it seems to be the first to go over the cliff 

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 19:59 | 4859553 i_call_you_my_base
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Depends on your definition of "madmen." From my perspective, they are sane, it's just that the only thing they care about is money. They're greedy fucking assholes, willing to do anything to line their pockets. Using the word "madmen" is too kind. It supposes that they aren't lucid. They know exactly what they're doing and why.

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 20:08 | 4859580 Bingo Hammer
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Perhaps i should have written it as "M.A.D.men" ...and sorry but money as the core reason is overly simplistic and is only part of it, the sociopaths and psychopaths see this world and get their kicks in very different and a multiplicity of sick and perverted ways  

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 20:11 | 4859589 i_call_you_my_base
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Money / power, power / money, there isn't much difference. But I think we can agree that they should all be hung.

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 19:58 | 4859549 Boomberg
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With the US pre-occupied with not having 5,000 Americans in Baghdad beheaded and mutilated in HD video on Youtube, now would be a good time for Putin to annex Ukraine. Just do it. 

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 21:10 | 4859774 Volkodav
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I think not so concerned...good way for more arms into syria..

where is intelligence services to find where all the new toyota trucks come from?

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 20:02 | 4859557 Racer
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Got to get a war going somewhere.....

they are finding it difficult lately, normally it is just saying WMD go gettum, but these days the US bully is having a bit more of a problem

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 20:06 | 4859571 Smegley Wanxalot
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Gazprom:  "Oh yeah, and repair our embassy in Kiev at your cost, you Uke assholes."

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 20:08 | 4859578 HurricaneSeason
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I remember in the late 70's when 5% of the world's oil got cut off, due to the Iran oil embargo, gas prices tripled overnight.  Is Russia really worse off if it loses it's European sales?  Speculation and hoarding would probably be more widespread now.

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 20:16 | 4859597 williambanzai7
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If my memory serves me correct, Germany has shut down all of its nuclear power plants. I am sure their other plants are co-gen, but I presume they do not want to go 100% coal.

Perhaps they can switch to Merkel manure or Schaeuble Methane.

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 20:40 | 4859603 kowalli
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they will still buy Coal from Russia...

Mon, 06/16/2014 - 03:09 | 4860465 avenriv
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28% of the coal used in germany to generate electricity comes form russia.

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 20:20 | 4859612 luna_man
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Yeah, wait til it gets too uncomfortable...Put those dollars into your friendly bank, gain that BIG interest on that money you should have paid.

 

winter will be there sooner than you think

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 20:20 | 4859613 orangegeek
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Call that UN thing that Europe houses.  Let them fix it.

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 20:21 | 4859616 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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Cutting supplies could disrupt the gas flow to Poland and Moldova.

FTFY.

The rest of the EU not so much they still get gas just less of it.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/06/10/us-moldova-georgia-idUSKBN0EL1...

Undeterred by the conflict triggered by Ukraine's swing towards Europe, the former Soviet republics of Moldova and Georgia will sign a trade and political pact with the European Union this month with Russia warning both countries against the move.

The two small countries - Moldova has a population of just over 3.5 million and Georgia 4.5 million - see the signing of an association agreement as the crucial step towards mainstream Europe, leading to eventual membership of the powerful EU trading bloc.

But, as has been shown by their regional neighbor Ukraine, Russia sees their westward move further away from Moscow's sphere of influence as a geo-political setback that could threaten its markets too.

Last November, Russia persuaded a now-ousted Ukrainian leader to pull out of an identical pact with the EU. When protests then chased him from office, Russia, in a backlash, annexed Crimea, and armed pro-Russian separatist groups sprang up in Ukraine's east and the battle there is still raging.

How Russia - which went to war with Georgia in 2008 - will react now remains the big unknown but officials have warned of "possible consequences".

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Sun, 06/15/2014 - 20:33 | 4859652 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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And as reminder.

http://www.rferl.org/content/moldova-gagauz-referendum-counting/25251251...

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The chairwoman of Gagauzia's election commission, Valentina Lisnic, said on February 3 that 98.4 percent of voters chose closer relations with the CIS Customs Union.

In a separate question, 97.2 percent were against closer EU integration.

In addition, 98.9 percent of voters supported Gagauzia's right to declare independence should Moldova lose or surrender its own independence.

...

And more current article on the subject only quoting the Russian's take on Moldova

http://www.rferl.org/content/moldova-gagauzia-eu-referendum/25249087.html

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Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin hinted darkly earlier this month that "the train called Moldova that is chugging toward Europe might lose a couple of its cars." Clearly he had in mind both Transdniester and Gagauzia.

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Sun, 06/15/2014 - 20:38 | 4859665 kowalli
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EU actions like USA puppet =( I hope they have a brain to stop...

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 20:48 | 4859703 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_MEMO-14-355_en.htm

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ENERGY: UNGHENI-IASI GAS INTERCONNECTOR

With Moldova's high dependency on the energy imports and specifically 100% gas imports reliance on one single supplier and no storage capacities, no access to LNG and no interconnections with EU Member States, the construction of the additional gas links has been a priority for enhancing Moldova's security of supply.

The first step is the Ia?i (Romania) – Ungheni (Moldova) interconnector. The 42 km long interconnector is the first and only direct gas pipeline connecting Moldova and the EU and for the very first time in history, Moldova will be able to get gas directly from the EU and international markets. The "Ungheni-Ia?i pipeline" will have a maximum transportation capacity of 1 billion m3/annually, covering around 1/3 of the gas consumption in Moldavia. In conjunction with compressors and a new 130-km-long-pipeline to be built, the new gas interconnector will deliver gas to the capital Chisinau.

The EU is supporting it both politically and financially: On 27 August 2013 the launch of the works for the realisation of the gas interconnector between Ungheni (West of Moldova) and Ia?i (East of Romania) has been inaugurated with participation of EU Energy Commissioner Oettinger. €7 million (roughly 25% of total costs) are provided via the European Neighbourhood Policy Instrument (ENPI) Cross Border Cooperation (CBC) Ukraine-Moldova-Romania programme.

The interconnector shall be finalised by mid this year.

...

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 21:18 | 4859797 Berspankme
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"Powerful"EU trading bloc

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 20:21 | 4859617 Uber Vandal
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We had better do a MUCH better game of Catch Up if we are to provide Europe with any natural gas to make up for any shortage of supply if / when the supply is cut off.

http://ir.eia.gov/ngs/ngs.html

 

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 21:09 | 4859770 gatorengineer
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This would be the final death blow to the US, exporting LNG.....  If gas went to $8 or $9 a million long term supply not spot, here, power bills would close to triple.....

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 20:22 | 4859621 Peter Pan
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The reality is that given the comparative incomes of Ukranians and other Europeans, the price asked of them is very high. Then again, you don't exactly help your negotiations by banning the Russian language, terrorozing the Russian element and carrying on like a bunch of animals.

Hopefully those US gas shipments should flow through in the next few days. :)

Perhaps Europe or the USA might take a leaf out of Chavez's book where he was sending heating oil to the USA free of charge for the poor. I am not sure if this still happening.

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 20:31 | 4859642 kowalli
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this is the price under the contract that was signed by Ukrainians.

  They refuse to fulfill the contract.
Sun, 06/15/2014 - 20:31 | 4859643 Latina Lover
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The only US gas that will flow to Europe over the next few days will be out of Bidens and Nulands rear ends.

Too bad if the price of gas is very high given their low incomes; ask Indians or Pakistanis if the price of gas is too high. Russia offered them a sweet deal under Yanukovich and now they are sulking like spoiled children because Russia won't cut them any favors.

 

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 21:03 | 4859750 Volkodav
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Russia should have held at the contract and full amount owed...

This is costing arrogant Kyiv nothing so far...

 

 

 

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 20:35 | 4859655 ThisIsBob
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Well, you don't help negotiations either with your Secretary of State calling Putin a "dickhead"  to the crowd in front of the Russian embassy your people are attacking. 

Plus, what were they thinking when they shut off water to Crimera?  JQC!

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 20:41 | 4859669 kowalli
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They were thinking that USA and EU will help them

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 21:16 | 4859789 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Well, you don't help negotiations either with your Secretary of State calling Putin a "dickhead"  to the crowd in front of the Russian embassy your people are attacking.

I believe the term used was "fucker" but nevertheless you are absolutely correct that such conduct is rarely considered helpful.

"This treasure of Kiev-style diplomatic language was met with a joyous cheer among the crowd, which erupted in a concerted chant."

http://rt.com/news/166020-ukraine-minister-effing-putin/

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 22:34 | 4859985 HurricaneSeason
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I thought it was prick.  Something is getting lost in the translation.  Close enough for horseshoes and hand grenades, though.

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 21:05 | 4859756 atthelake
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US gas shipments across an ocean is unrealistic.

 

When Chavez died, so did his goodwill.

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 23:22 | 4860121 Jack Burton
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A calculation of the number of ship voyages per year to supply LNG to Europe is mind blowing. And the cost per trip is way above the price of gas pipeline tansit. The LNG facilities and everything involved would force the end price for US LNG to be rather expensive. The US consumer would end up paying much higher prices in the end, as market prices are good across the board.

Fracking is expensive. Processing LNG is expensive, shipping is expensive, entry ports and facilities are expansive. Add it all up and US LNG as Europe's supplier is a pipe dream at best, lunacy at worst.

 

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 20:37 | 4859661 atthelake
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If this isn't solved a lot of Ukrainians could freeze to death. Europeans too.

 

I know times are tough, but this seems to be a good time to stock up on fuel, food, drink, supplies, meds etc. Do it when these things are on sale. Instead of buying one or two, buy twenty or thirty, if you can. We think it won't affect us and, maybe it won't, but CYA never hurts. Don't tell anyone because most people will not stock up.

 

It's better to wonder why the hell did you buy all this crap than to wish to god you had.

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 21:11 | 4859780 laomei
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Natural gas != heating.  It powers a large percentage of their electric plants.  Gas gets shut off and Ukraine is left in the dark with their thumbs up their asses.

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 21:27 | 4859820 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Natural gas != heating.  It powers a large percentage of their electric plants. Gas gets shut off and Ukraine is left in the dark with their thumbs up their asses.

You are, of course, correct, and you know what they say in Russia: "tough shitski".

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 20:42 | 4859678 Robinhood
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Turn the fucking gas off!

As the arrogant, ignorant, zionist cunt Victoria Nudelman said "fuck the EU", .  

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 21:52 | 4859878 Dublinmick
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Nobility is defined by ones actions.........Robin Hood

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 20:56 | 4859731 Rock On Roger
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$350 per thousand cubic meters equals approx. $10/mcf.  Nymex July 14 @ $4.74/mcf.

Natural gaz is twice as expensive in Europe than in North America.

Too bad there is no gaz available to export from NA.

Shale gaz is a ponzi.

 

Drill On

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 21:01 | 4859743 robertocarlos
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Why worry? It's summer. Winter is like 6 months from now.

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 21:53 | 4859884 Dublinmick
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To me faith means not having to worry ................ John Dewey

Mon, 06/16/2014 - 06:38 | 4860575 dreadnaught
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for most of Russia it gets cold about 3-4 months from now

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 21:07 | 4859765 gatorengineer
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$5 says IMF pays the bill (aka bath house barry).... any takers?

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 21:30 | 4859826 Bob
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LOL, there's nothing like an IMF Humanitarian Bail Out on advantageous terms, just another day's work for the Good Guys from the West. 

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 21:20 | 4859803 Baldrick
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well, good luck with that war/terrorist thingie guys!

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 21:26 | 4859815 atthelake
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People, everywhere, need to CYA. Woodstoves, heating oil. We live in a precarious world and things could tank, overnight.

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 21:30 | 4859829 kchrisc
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Shaniqua voice and smacking her chewing gum: "Yes, this is the gas company. We have not received payment again this month. If we don't have payment in our office by two this morning, we will have to turn off your gas. We do not take cookies. Have a good day sir."

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 22:36 | 4859992 Dublinmick
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Sometimes the best laid plans of mice and men go awry~

http://www.volcanodiscovery.com/laacher_see.html

The caldera of Laacher See was formed after the Laacher volcano erupted, between 12,900 and 11,200 years ago. The remaining crust collapsed into the empty magma chamber below, only two or three days after the eruption. With an estimated Volcanic Explosivity Index value of 6, this eruption was 250 times larger than the eruption of Mount St. Helens in 1980. Remains of this eruption can be found all over Europe and is often used for dating of sediments. A number of unique minerals, like Hauyn can be found in the region, and quaries to mine the stone as a building material.

The Laacher is still considered to be an active volcano, proven by seismic activities and heavy thermal anomalies under the lake. Carbon dioxide (CO2) gas from magma still bubbles up at the southeastern shore (mofettes), and scientists believe that a new eruption can happen at any time, which, today, would be a disaster beyond all description.

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 23:01 | 4860065 goldhedge
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Save gas.

FART IN A JAR

 

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 23:47 | 4860170 Bazza McKenzie
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Ah, so Ukraine is prepared to accept the EU's proposal, ie the proposal from a bureaucrat who has no gas to sell.

Sun, 06/15/2014 - 23:54 | 4860187 Westcoastliberal
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The terms sound about like any other utility company in the West.  If you're past due you pay that amount, plus payment in advance for future service until you've re-established credit.

I honestly don't see the problem here.

Mon, 06/16/2014 - 03:43 | 4860485 Jano
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US needs to kill off EU and rob their moeny and wealth.

And this is the way.......US needs to invade EU with their shit products.

they will use it to finish us off.

its the time to finish off every american in EU.

Mon, 06/16/2014 - 04:27 | 4860506 RazvanM
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Russian business: put a gun to client's head and if that doesn't work, send the tanks in. Other customers beware!

Mon, 06/16/2014 - 06:36 | 4860572 dreadnaught
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IF a country owed mine over a Billion dollars and said "Fuck you" over and over again when payment time came around-id send in the tanks too-too many deadbeat people and countries who feel 'entitled'

Mon, 06/16/2014 - 05:19 | 4860530 SmittyinLA
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I dumped my gold position 2mo ago and bet against Obama and for Putin with Gazprom, figured war with Russia you try to crush gold and oil, gold is most definitely fuckwithable,  can't do both.

Pay up bitches.

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