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Obama Sends 275 Troops To Iraq As Explosions Rock Baghdad Airport
UPDATE: Moar 'boots on the ground' - U.S. TO DEPLOY UP TO ABOUT 275 ARMED FORCES PERSONNEL TO IRAQ
If you like your boots on the ground, you can keep them - as long as they are Special Forces boots. Following promises that there would be no American "combat" 'boots on the ground', AP reports that President Obama is considering sending a small number of special forces to help the government in Baghdad. According to the official rules of "boots-on-the-ground"-edness, CIA and Special Forces do not count so 'officially' no promises have been broken. It's not clear how quickly the special forces could arrive in Iraq; or whether they would remain in Baghdad or be sent to the nation's north. With rumors of explosions rocking Baghdad airport, we suspect the former.
The White House is considering sending a small number of American special forces soldiers to Iraq in an urgent attempt to help the government in Baghdad slow the nation's rampant Sunni insurgency, U.S. officials said Monday.
While President Barack Obama has explicitly ruled out putting U.S. troops into direct combat in Iraq, the plan under consideration suggests he would be willing to send Americans into a collapsing security situation for training and other purposes.
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It's not clear how quickly the special forces could arrive in Iraq. It's also unknown whether they would remain in Baghdad or be sent to the nation's north.
But The White House is being very careful to exaplin that this is not "real" boots on the ground...
White House spokeswoman Caitlin Hayden said no combat troops would be sent to Iraq, but that the U.S. is looking at other options.
"The president was very clear that we will not be sending U.S. troops back into combat in Iraq," Hayden said in a statement. "That remains the case and he has asked his national security team to prepare a range of other options that could help support Iraqi security forces."
Just special ones...
The mission almost certainly would be small: one U.S. official said it could be up to 100 special forces soldiers. It also could be authorized only as an advising and training mission — meaning the soldiers would work closely with Iraqi forces that are fighting the insurgency but not officially be considered as combat troops.
The troops would fall under the authority of the U.S. ambassador and would not be authorized to engage in combat, another U.S. official said. Their mission is "non-operational training" of both regular and counter terrorism units, which the military has interpreted to mean training on military bases, not in the field, the official said.
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Already, about 100 Marines and Army soldiers have been sent to Baghdad to help with embassy security, according to a U.S. official.
Obama made the end of the war in Iraq one of his signature campaign issues, and has touted the U.S. military withdrawal in December 2011 as one of his top foreign policy successes.
Mission Accomplished...
#BreakingNews Explosions rocking #Baghdad airport as we speak.. #Iraq #ISIS
— Rami (@RamiAlLolah) June 16, 2014
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if we gave them stingers in Syria, they are going to blow our shit out of the sky
LETS fill those boots with congressmen and senators!
And Czars! Don't forget the Czars!
What's the formula for how many to send to secure a billion dollar embassy?
Unable to drag Putin into a proxy war the CIA finally decides to go to war with itself.
Thus completing the ultimate .gov GDP igniting circle jerk.
Gosh.. it has to pain them all up to the secret minaret at the black house to think they will have to throw billions of their funny money at defense in order not to have the whole cuntry rise up against them.
“LETS fill those boots with congressmen and senators!”
.. and State Department including all of their children.
gh0atrider has hooves on the ground...
A hundred advisors don't amount to jack-shit... but it may ignite some misguided feelings of vengeance with the brain-dead proletariat when their dead bodies are being drug through the streets of Baghdad on the evening news. Iraqi War 3.0 here we come.
well...maybe we just need a better soundtrack.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7XIL67QSME&feature=kp
http://sonnekfit.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/anchorman.jpg
Willie Nelson - On the Road Again
Anything is better than the shit those ISIS killers are playing in their snuff clips.
"Aegis" contractors played Elvis.
was that a time jump into D.C. 2020?
This is a disaster. I see no positive outcome. This looks like a huge sectarian war brewing in the Middle East. Like it or not, odds are we get sucked back in. I hope a small number of special forces and some well placed bribes will do the trick. we'll see.
nation building has come to this, why did barry bow to the saudi king? who got the weapons- barry sent out of libya? how does the IRS loose emails that are backed up off site? do you trust your MSM, and there were no gunmen on that grass hill in dallas, it all depends on what IS IS.....ISIS ISIS
If AP is carrying the story boots have already been on the ground for a week or more---just giving a heads up here--
If there was no oil in the Middle East they would all collapse back to feudalism very quickly. You cannot nation build Muslim countries, that's become all too clear to me now. It was a noble, but hopelessly flawed effort from the start.
I think the US is in some deperate need of nation building.
We could use a Kubric like filmaker to come up with a new Dr. Stranglove type Satire which paradies this entire cluster fuck.
There are certainly more than enough real life WTF's here to use as 'inspiration'.
Dr. Shortbus, or:
How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Full-Retard
I have heard that compulsory voting will save democracy. That implies compuslory I.Q. tests for politicians.
I thought we HAD a compulsory IQ test for politicians - nobody with an IQ over 80 allowed (and the lower the better).
TPTB don't like it when their hired minions actually start THINKING about what they're doing..... it gets messy when you have to plane crash a Senator or Congressman.
Airfoils and magnets work better if you win in a land slide. or water slide. The last days of pompei rivals some of WB7's works.
I like it. And if I may add another variation to it:
Dr. Fulretard:
How I Stopped Worrying and Learned to Love the Short Bus.
Dup.
There's a glitch in the Matrix, all my posts get duplicated.
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Ya think the iraqi army would stay and fight if their pay went to $15 per hour?...
didn't think so
'Course not... They'd all be scrambling for the opportunities at Abdul's BBQ Baby Back Rib Cart franchises
This is such BS. Other sites have said that the Syrians are blasting the shit out of ISIS plus Iran is in on the action and Iraqi's starting to fight back.
My guess is the spy agencies and State Dept will put Blackwater/Xe/Booz Allen/Whatever they are call this week/Rent A Scumbag Merc to bailout ISIS.
The USA, Saudis and ZATO have a lot invested in ISIS. Send two-gun Johnny McCain.
http://www.syrianperspective.com/2014/06/syrian-air-force-rules-iraqs-sk...
"Masters of Chaos." (see below.)
This intervention is being conducted by Special Operations. That's who ISIS in fact is.
Far from not needing boots on the ground...that is EXACTLY what this situation calls for.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embassy_of_the_United_States,_Baghdad
2000 "diplomats." that's an impressive "legation."
Since the Airport has been attacked must assume that is not secure at the moment. This is on the Tigris River though...it might have some type of "port facility."
Maybe some "cool underground Shite" too.
+1 Freddie for the link to syrianperspective.com. It's the best place for info on what is happening in Syria, and I always get a laugh from Ziad's colorful descriptions of the exterminated wahhabi rodents:
Abu Al-Ashbaal (MOROCCAN SARDINE BLADDER)
Mut’ib Al-‘Usayli (SAUDI ARABIAN FROG VOMIT)
Al-‘Arabi Al-Ghazaali (ALGERIAN PALMETTO BUG DROPPING)
Yunus Zhaafiri (SAUDI ARABIAN WEASEL MEATPIE)
Manhal Al-Jarraash (TUNISIAN TUNA ABUSER)
“Abu Salaah” (JORDANIAN WORM SLIME)
Bandar ‘Abdul-Rahmaan (YEMENI DUNG BEETLE)
“Abu-Haneefa Al-Tunisi” (TUNISIAN TOILET BRUSH)
I don't care who you are - that's funny.
Re: Freddie - "This is such BS."
I think you may be on to something. It is entirely possible that they will bail out ISIS so they can continue their murderous campaign in Syria.
Blackhawk Down II.
At least Blackhawk Down caused the resignation of Les Aspin as Sec of Def. When 0zer0 and his minions constantly fuck up, no one is held accountable. Hell, no one even ends up on a hot seat.
100 "advisors" means 100 "hostages". That means at least 500 Al Queada fighters will be freed as ransom. Probably more, since 5:1 was for a PFC Deserter. A Special Ops is probably worth 10x that. Unless they know too much. Then all they are worth is a faulty helicopter ride.
Obama won't trade for them unless they first desert and convert. Why would he want real soldiers around?
Maybe not. 100 guys carrying gold bricks and antiquities could load up quite a few choppers in a hurry.
Goatfucker has a hoof in his ass if he thinks his crypto currency is any safer than any other electronic widget:-)
Does this mean summer student exchange classes at Baghadad U are cancelled?
I knew the Goat Simulator was just another DOD training tool, yet nobody believed me.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goat_Simulator
"Not subject to third-party contractors, 'super-secret' exemptions, capricious changing of minds or false flags," Hayden failed to mention.
Whenever Obama "is very clear" that something isn't happening or going to happen rest-assured it is/will.
Hey, c'mon, they're only going to be sent in for "training and other purposes".
What could go wrong?
Yeah but ISIS is our (State Dept) good Al Queada and the Nazis in western Ukriane are our (Nudelman's) good nazis.
* OBAMA: JUST THE TIP!
It's important we supply stinger-brand manpads to Iraq so they can shoot down our previously supplied Blackhawk helicopters captured and operated by ISIS non-state department AlQueada operatives who would be state department approved and armed if they were fighting a few hundred miles west in Syria well before we ship the fancy F16 fighters.
Make sense? Fuckit - as long as the checks keep clearing.
Go to war with itself - a Keynesian wet dream. Even Krugman is impressed.
Enough to fly evacuation helicopters off the roof.
The formula is to send enough troops so that when they die en masse the 'Mercan sheeple will clamor for some 'action' and 'justice'. Sad thing is that it works every fucking time.
Even that would not work this time.
Unable to drag Putin into a proxy war the CIA finally decides to go to war with itself.
"How else you gonna guarantee victory?"
said every Rothschild, ever
Does the Ambassador get to shoot back?
Won't be necessary. Hash tags are the new weapon of choice.
If want surreal consider this.
The USA by dropping soldiers into this mess is now effectively de facto allied with the Iranian Revolutionary Guard that is also deployed inside Iraq.
Oh I can beat that.
Rumor has it these guys have bank accounts amounting to about $848 million paying for their ammo, food and gasoline.
If they get control of a pipeline or three, and an oil field of three, they'll be getting paid that amount weekly because no way in hell at $113 Brent can even another drop be sanctioned off the market.
There are reports that part of their funding is derived from the sale of oil from wells they control in the Kirkuk area. The buyer is reported to be the Syrian Government in some under the table negotiation.
Given the inscestous nature of this clusterfuck I wouldn't be suprised to learn the entire Middle East has been organized by Milo Minderbinder.
god forbid if some "truthiness" explodes here too.
I can beat that.
If you control oil fields then you can sell oil as cheap as you want. Crash the oil futures market. Putin rolls over and you not only have Iraq but Russa by the balls.
Who will buy oil when your giving it away.
Gonna be a way easier for them to drive the price up than down. We are a loooooooong way from the "Devil's Bushel" in this tight of an oil market.
That only works to a point if you can't keep up with the demand, cheap oil or not. It is a limited market when you don't have the manpower and know how to maximize the production.
ISIS are our (NWO-ZATO) guys. McCain's liver eaters.
funny thing is if it had been the Revolutionary Guards (and not the United States of Anarchy) who overthrew Saddam, Iraq would probably be a stable country right now, free of both Salafists and Depleted Uranium.
We were allways at war with Euroasia, not Oceania
Bingo
Czar Bomba?
We have a kind of myopia. We tend to view the world and our moral systems from the vantage point of our own position and what accentuates or even exalts us. We tend to believe that the societies we live in are moral. This is a fact of human nature, and not to see it is dangerous because you fall into these very frightening secular or religious utopian belief systems. Utopian is a word that means “no place.” Utopian worlds do not exist. And when you build ethical systems based on utopian beliefs, they always descend into criminality and moral depravity. The Fascist and Communist movements were utopian movements. In many ways, the war in Iraq is a classic example of a utopian movement. We don’t often look at Dick Cheney as a utopian, but he is. I spent seven years in the Middle East as the Middle East bureau chief for the New York Times. All of us who spent a prolonged period of time in the Middle East and spoke the language never felt that the war in Iraq or the occupation of Iraq was a good idea.
Chris Hedges
And below is the link:
https://www.rutherford.org/publications_resources/oldspeak/i_dont_believ...
Chris tends to over think things on occasion. Anyone paying attention knows that America is not a moral society.
Uncle
It beats under-thinking—basing your thinking in erroneous information.
At first glance, this seems a non-sequitur, but it fits your prose.
I would suggest that your statement is incomplete, that is, erroneous information you know to be so, yet not changing your thought process. Reminds me of something attributed to Einstein. Or Mark Twain.
Iraq was supposed to be some kind of free market Ayn-Randian neocon wet dream. They sent a ton of politically vetted but otherwise unqualified 'nation-builders' over to create an idealized 'democratic' state that would show all the Arabs (and rest of the world) how great government COULD be if it were minimal and letting private enterprise have a free hand. (with that government being a puppet state controlled by the US)
of course it was a total clusterfuck. The 'idealized' concept was cover for a scheme to grab oil cheap and funnel off billions in 'rebuilding' schemes than would never be completed. They grabbed as much as they could of the latter but couldn;t lock in long term oil contracts before we got booted. Turns out the Iraqis preferred anyone BUT the US telling them how to do things. Still the case.
"Ayn-Randian neocon wet dream?" What? Please explain the meaning of oxymoron...
neocons were never 'randian', dude. neocons always have believed in the nanny state -- 'nanny state of war' if you will.
A long convoy of brand new white toyotas, and we can't take them out? This shit stinks
The Toyos retain so much residual radiation from Fuku that it destroys the guidance systems of missles prior to impact.
That's because our guys drive GM cars. No IEDs necessary, they blow themselves up.
They don't stand out against the brown desert floor like a GM (Government Motors) gdp building flat bed.
Oxymoron - someone on a three day OxyContin bender.
be still my heart!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZoo8PSC4AM&feature=kp
I was thinking about Banksters and the 1% crew
Let's just have Barry draw a red line around Iraq. That will stop the bad guys in their tracks.
Let's see- how many Special Forces advisors did JFK send to Vietnamin 1961? As I recall it was only a hundred or so. Strictly advisory. Training and such. No direct combat role. Then came the Gulf of Tonkin "incident". And the US carrier Bush is just sitting there. How convenient.
Reminds me of the Texan's remark the first time he was served Sushi. "Sushi, huh. Back home we call this bait."
I get it !
Obama says (to ISIS belligerents), " You dorks....we are giving you guns and money to fight in Syria, WTF are you doing here !! Get your jihadist asses back to Syria!"
WTF is this circle (or am I really confused)? Help the ISIS/jihadist/Al Queda (in Syria) and stop them (in Iraq)?
Is this really happening?
It seems to be. Details will not be known, but this is like stepping in a pile of Spinosaurus shit.
It's a perfect storm for Barry The Bomber. When the "terrorists" kill our "advisors," that will allow Barry to swoop in with good old, time proven Amurkin vengeance!
The people will love it. It echoes alot of the 911 drama that has been branded into their brains as deeply as their own names.
If the faux terrorists don't kill Our Boys . . . well now, that doesn't really make much sense, does it?
Could shit really be so simple . . . over and over and over again?
As I've said many times I am no fan of the military. It simply provides muscle for an immoral government. If those people currently enlisted don't stand up and say "we ain't going" then they will get exactly what is due them. And the military leadership needs to stand up and make a statement to that effect. Yeah, I know...they answer to civilan authority...blah, blah, blah. But at some point in time people need to act on principle rather than some convoluted interpretation of the constitution.
Right at this very minute some serious shit is going down in Iraq, some of it wrongfully (???) financed by America --- the extremist faction of al Qaeda, ISIS, is spreading murder and mayhem throughout the region.
Billions go to the Pentagon's NSA, DIA, etc., and also to the "civilian" intel agency, the CIA --- yet this crap suddenly erupts?
Where the fuck is the DIA, the CIA, the NSA and all those other intel agencies within the Pentagon?
Why the fuck are all these billions being spent, other than for domestic surveillance against the populace of the USA plus financial intelligence gathered for Wall Streeters?
Time to disband all these effing agencies --- after the proper transparent forensic audits have been done immediately to capture all the crooks there!
If I were those troops I'd be nervous about camping at an embassy.
This is going to end real badly, I mean the helicopters on the roof of the US Embassy badly.
If they didn't have them before they do NOW
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/06/16/us-made-stinger-missiles-have-li...
Go back to golfing you limp wristed fucker. I don't care if you golf very day for the rest of your term. At least you'll be out of sight.
Not only out of sight, but the less he does, the better.
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Chimpy Bush dazzled us with The Surge. Now it's Obama's turn, as he implements The Spooge.
Come now, dear Doctor, I know you are capable of deeper analysis than limp-wristed fucker. He is a ninny on puppet strings with ambiguous gender-role mannerisms. Though, the fucker does enter into it because his failures translate into a world-class raping.
Remember he has a phone and a pen when it comes to fucking things up with our economy, health care, IRS, NSA, etc. When it comes to making a decision on foreign policy where his leadership is needed and executive powers are granted he wimps out every time. The one common thread is his Muslim sympathyzer Valerie Jarrett.
Fuck,fuck,fuck
What's wrong?
<Overhead> "Kassandra, kassandra to the white courtesy telephone."
"Yes, Kassandra, sorry we never listened to you before, quite a shame really, seems you were right all along. Though we're kind of in a bit of a pickle now old chap. It seems someone you know is making a mess of things. Nemesis is really fucking pissed off and is setting the entire world on fire..."
Barry bin Laden. Lives to fail yet another day. Hey this is all Bush's fault isn't it?
they both serve the same master. they are both in part responsible. Though, you have to wonder how much of substance either knows or knew. I suspect not much, handlers behind the scenes engineered all of this, with the intention of creating chaos. Mission accomplished indeed.
It's neither of their fault, as they're just tools like you.
Go play lefty/righty somewhere else, okay?
Amen, some of you people are pretty smart and pretty dumb. Bush, Obama, Hilary, these are cartoon characters at best. 10% of Americans are "awake", but 99% still don't see any game plan, they just think our leaders are criminal/stupid/failures, they are most likely doing exactly what their bosses want, total destruction of nation states and tribal warfare everywhere.
Can you run that math by me one more time?
Tahoe.... Math aside….
10% [33 millions of Americans] awake? I don't think you can get 10% on these 33 million.
I guess the SF guys are going to teach the Iraqi's how to dispose of their weapons and how to run....WTF...Why waste our tax dollars and our highly trained troops to teach these guys how to run? Hey Monkey boy in DC...why not send the community organizers there to stop the violence...For someone who tells people he does not like war, he sure gets our troops in them quite a bit...
What I don't get is there is never a question on "Training Iraqi's"
The Iraqi's have been trained by the best for the last 10-11 years. But, as soon as there is a battle they turn and run. They never seem to learna anything!
Why don't they ever learn anything?? and, IF they are too dumb to learn anything why continue to pretend to teach em??
I'd be very pessimistic if it were not the Summer of Recovery ... again.
I'm guessing it's because the post-Saddam regime in Baghdad has always had next to nothing in terms of both power and credibilty, from all sectors of Iraqi sociiety as well as from abroad. Oh sure the MSM and Western govts have heaped praise on the multiple elections, the "purple fingers", etc as proof of the triumph of Western democracy. But anyone with more than a few brain cells knows it's pure theatre. Both Iran and the US have been able to manipulate Baghdad. Most of their soldiers are only in it for a regular paycheck amidst the chaos and despair still prevalent across the nation 11 years on. The fact that a few thousand psychopaths can take vast swathes of territory within a week proves all this.
Unleash the Wookie...I mean, Cry Havoc and Let Slip the Dogs of Choom...I mean, Damn Reggie Love's Stink Pole, Full Speed Behind! ...
<-- tie bush to a missile
<-- tie bush and obama to a missile
<Tie Congress to missile, fire it at WDC.
<Watch the World Cup! wooooohoooo
Get Nancy Pelosi to do a steamy pole dance just ahead of advancing ISIL forces. Watch ISIL forces melt like them Nazis from Raiders of the Lost Ark. Problem Solved.
..having a bad afternoon and needed a laugh. Thank you friend!
Edit: also now having a glass of Stone Enjoy By and that might have something to do with it too...
No thanks, Dave. Cuz now I need something to detox my brain after reading that. Just an awful visual.
45 Minutes until Ghana v USSA
Starts at midnight Ghana time, and yet there will probably be more viewers in Ghana than Texas (which has about the same population and far money per capita for TVs)...
FIFA Soccer is like watching the future NWO games.
.....with a nuclear warhead and aimed at Tel Aviv.
Awww, fuck me! We first got involved in Vietnam as advisors. We all know how that turned out.
Movie material?
history rhymes
Then does Iraq II and Afghanistan count as the French and Indian War?
Damn right we know how that worked out! We pushed those Germans into the sea, and Amurika won again! FUCK YEA!
stinkers don't work against coalition aircraft doncha know...... cause that would be dumb to give them to the enemy of your friends enemy's enemy ..... of course the "Failure of Imagination" defense has been used in similar cases of state sponsored stupidity..... so ..... ahhhhh..... Yeah ...... I think we're done here....
So, no NV airshow?
Ann-Margret's not coming?
Son of a...
I think about 550 marines will be arriving off the war ship headed that way!
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Unpossible. They're just out for some well deserved rest and relaxation.
"550 passengers set sail that day
for a three hour tour,
a three hour tour."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTCYLbFxTpI
Big bold headline on Huffpo:
At last: Obama Taking on LGBT Discrimination !
I'm glad he and they are focused on the important topics.
I don't know what LGBT is... Does that make me old?
No it means your willing to skip the latest bs trendy thing they are pushing on the propaganda tv and say bring on the next one. Which involves getting to fuk shit up
clearly you didn't recently attend a U.S. public school, where homosexual propaganda is now taught in place of math and science.
Herman gouring said if we didn't have the jews we would have had to invent them . Well this lbgt thing as all others before and is now is that in reverse . Create a new morale high ground. That is used to loot our sorry ass. The us gov makes good money freeing the shit out of people
Lazy Golfer Blows Transexuals?
I think it's a tasty sandwich with organic lettuce, bacon, and tomato on toasted bread.
This Yahoo headline is gonna break some hearts:
Bill Clinton most admired president of the last 25 yearsBill Clin-ton was the first president in my memory to openly and publicly demonstrate it's all a lie and a joke.
Laughing at funerals and the invasion beaches of France - until he noticed a camera, then suddenly crying ...
Mocking his inquisitors - 'depends on what the meaning if is, is'
Cynically nailing anything that cannot get away while the so-called Feminists demurely don their ball gags...
Ole Billy boy was a big clue for me how the whole thing is a lie and a joke...
Hey dont we have drones for this? Y'know. Zap! Problem solved.
I feel for the poor civs in Iraq and all the Americans who lost their lives, limbs ect. Fucking idiots (hello Barry, Valjar et al.) making decicions that will kill innocent lives. Arming the Insurgents via Syria. FUBAR.
This shit is going to get deep. Barry is fucked. Poor execution of the pull out. Iraq isn't like Reggies bung hole.
....I thought Reggie was the Pitcher........ No??
flip a coin--heads or tails--
"Poor execution of the pull out."
There could never have been a good execution of getting out when going in was the problem. Don't get me wrong, Obama is a moron, though he has little actual say in US policy, just as Bush Jr was also a figurehead.
What is happening now, however, was written into the cards the second the US went in and scrambled the eggs in the first place, thinking they were smart enough to reconstruct them the way they wanted when they were done. What we are currently witnessing is the wages of hubris, and entirely expected. I also, like you, feel for all the people whose lives have been thrown away (especially for the Iraqis, who were given no voice in any of these decisions) by the stupidity of a group of people who have paid zero price for their grand ambitions. I wish I believed in Hell right now, because there is a place there for these men and women.
Here's a thought; Israel has been attacked four times since 1948, usually by well organized alliances of their neighbors. Now with the entire ME in chaos there isn't a single credible military threat to israel. This isn't coincidence, it isn't a fuck-up, it's a plan coming together.
On the early success of ISIS and the rout of the Iraqi garrisons, consider the 1st Cavalry Division on Garrison duty in Korea in 1950. One day everything is fine, suddenly a million screaming NKs pour across the border and anniliate an entire US division, hell, the commanding general spent the entire war in a major's uniform sitting in a POW camp.
My point is, let's see how the Iraqis regroup and counterattack.
What a clusterfuck.
Shock and awe, bItCheZ -- their turn!
Seems to me that the Iraqi army models itself rather too much on the French.
I knew things were in control there when they started air lifting people out of there.
French did not lack bravery but were poorly led with poor doctrine.
"The Iraqi army models itself rather too much on the French"
Stupid joke, and a new example - still remaining, even in ZH - of the avalanche of propaganda and silly jokes after the firm and sensible refusal of the French to join America in Irak, in 2003 ...
Since France refused to go to Iraq, American warmongers made French army look like cowards and a counter-model – as a punishment.