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FUBAR I: Chinese Food Imports Now Demand More Land Mass Than The Entire State Of California

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Submitted by Simon Black of Sovereign Man blog,

Here’s the good news:

Nie Zhenbang, a Chinese agronomy expert and former director of the Chinese State Grain Administration, recently announced that 2013 was a record year for Chinese grain production.

Here’s the not so good news:

“Although the number is huge,” said Nie, “it still could not satisfy domestic consumer demand. In recent years, China’s food imports have been increasing. Agricultural product imports are roughly equivalent to the productive capacity of 47 million hectares of planted area.”

47 million hectares is 181,468 square miles.

To put this number in context, if you could cram together all the farmland and pasture that it takes to grow the food just being imported by China, the total area of this land mass would be larger than the entire state of California.

Seem far-fetched? Let’s walk through the numbers.

Consider that China’s 1.4 billion people consume an average 2,970 Calories per day; this means that the Chinese population requires a whopping 2 quadrillion Calories each year.

With an average 8 million Calories per year for an average hectare of land (1 hectare = 2.47 acres), this means that China’s population needs over 250 million hectares, or nearly 1 million square miles, to sustain itself.

Between drought conditions, soil pollution, and a raging dustbowl, China doesn’t have anywhere near that much quality land available to grow crops and raise livestock. They have to look abroad. So Mr. Nie’s estimates are definitely in the right ballpark.

There’s more.

The chief economist of China’s Agriculture Ministry, Qian Keming, estimates that in the coming years, Chinese grain demand will increase by 10 million ADDITIONAL tons each year.

Based on the global average yield of 3.11 metric tons of grain per hectare, China’s growing grain demand will tied up 12,000+ additional square miles of farmland per year, every year.

Bear in mind that 12,000 square miles is more or less the size of the Netherlands… just to satisfy China’s growing demand for grain.

And all we’re really talking about is one country, one food product.

This says nothing about imports of meat, fruit, nuts, etc. Nor does it speak to the growing food demand for literally billions of other people across the developing world.

It is a fact that daily Calorie consumption is directly correlated to per-capita GDP, and the data supports this conclusion.

A 2011 study authored by researchers from the University of Minnesota and UC Santa Barbara demonstrates “a simple and temporally consistent global relationship between per capita GDP and per capita demand for crop calories or protein.”

Simply put, as a nation becomes wealthier, its people consume more Calories and more protein.

Taiwan, for example, increased per capita meat consumption from just 13 kilograms annually in 1951 (when it was totally destitute) to 66 kilograms annually in 1992 (when it was an industrialized ‘Asian Tiger’).

This is important because it takes a lot more land to grow a kilogram of meat than anything else.

So as nations become wealthier, it takes much more land per-capita basis to feed them.

China is experiencing this growth right now. And this demand is only the tip of the iceberg.

Tomorrow I’ll tell you about the supply-side of the equation… and show you why the absolute BEST case scenario is substantially higher food prices.

This is what makes agriculture THE no-brainer investment for the coming decade.

 

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Tue, 06/17/2014 - 16:32 | 4866602 p00k1e
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Detroit is for sale. 

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 16:35 | 4866618 So Close
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Cheap

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 16:42 | 4866646 TeamDepends
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Chinee lizard chile comin' to gitcha!!!

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 16:47 | 4866669 Dr. Richard Head
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Total square miles of Australia - 2.97 million sqaure miles,

640 acres in a square mile,

Therefore, 1,900,800,000 acres or 7,603,200,000 quarter acres in Australia.

7.046 Billion people on the planet.

That means there is enough room in Australia alone for each man, woman, and child to have their own 1/4 acre lot in Australia, which leaves the rest of the entire planet available for agriculture. 

Can't we all just get along?

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 16:49 | 4866673 Big Corked Boots
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And the water comes from.... ?

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 16:51 | 4866686 Dr. Richard Head
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It's in those bottles at the grocery store.  Details, details.... /sarc

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 17:34 | 4866857 Citxmech
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Don't forget fertilizers/topsoil.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 17:50 | 4866925 J S Bach
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How can anyone let their kid get that gluttonously fat?!  It looks like a totally different species of hominid.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 18:01 | 4866971 Boris Alatovkrap
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That is not hominid, is porcine specimen dredge from China river. There are many such.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 18:17 | 4867030 BurningFuld
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Even better than Australia is Antarctica. Nobody lives there yet so nobody will need to be displaced..it's brilliant.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 19:43 | 4867249 mjcOH1
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"And the water comes from.... ?"

 

Details, details.   We render or incinerate a few million pets in the US alone each year.   There is still opportunity to gamma-source and bag them for shipment to china.    That's a few billion extra callories a year right there. 

And although we're down to just over 1 million abortions in the US each year, that's still a few billion recoverable calories per year there as well.

Of course, it'll all be eaten by 'those people'.   No need to look for the 'Processed in China' label on the mystery slime at the local grocery store.   Because a neatly printed plastic bag is the universally recognized symbol of the highest quality processed foods.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 07:07 | 4868335 old naughty
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Canada has 32,892,992 sq mi, so ten times that of Australia,

Lots of fresh water and arable land.

But no, not going to share...

Let's start, The Hunger Game.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 21:41 | 4867559 effendi
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And better yet Antartica has plenty of dihydrogen monoxide, add some heat and you have all the water needed to sustain crops during the growing season. Now they just need a growing season. It's the details that get in the way.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 18:38 | 4867098 J S Bach
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I think you're right, Boris...

I looked it up...

it's a Hippopotamus Asiatus native to the Huang Ho river.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 19:36 | 4867263 Boris Alatovkrap
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No, this is just pig. River is where you are finding many pig in China.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 01:18 | 4868026 MeMongo
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Mongo says possibly Fukushima species! You know, for the chinese kids!

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 16:51 | 4866689 ebear
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And the water comes from.... ?

MARS!!!

1. Melt polar icecaps

2.  ?

3. Profit!

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 16:53 | 4866698 NOTaREALmerican
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1)  In process

2)  Optimism

3)  Profit.

Always works.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 17:16 | 4866782 Mad Max
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I'm supposed to believe that the AVERAGE Chinese is eating 3000 calories a day?

 

They would all look like the caricature photo used for the article.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 19:25 | 4867226 mjcOH1
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"I'm supposed to believe that the AVERAGE Chinese is eating 3000 calories a day?"

The secret is they still work.   About 1200 cal/day will super-size you if Uncle Sugar pays you to stay home all  day and play with your Obamaphone.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 21:45 | 4867572 virgule
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Can't agree more. If you ever tried eating the same chinese meal as locals in a food outlet for Chinese people, you'd come out pretty hungry. The *average* Chinese person is short and lean, and often less that that in rural areas... I would divide that nuber of calories in half.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 17:03 | 4866741 Cathartes Aura
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"and the water comes from?"

 

Nestle?

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 17:07 | 4866758 Flakmeister
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Yeah, but Nestle gets it from Evian...

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 18:32 | 4867079 ajax
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Sorry Flakmeister but no Evian water for Nestle, Groupe Danone (France) owns Evian...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCOcjWG6Ykc

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 18:43 | 4867108 Flakmeister
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Mea Culpa, couldn't remember if they bought Evian or Perrier...

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 18:59 | 4867156 Cathartes Aura
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Nestle gets its water from aquifers, local-sourced globally, then sold back to the peoples.

oh, when they're not pulling water from Lake Michigan to bottle 'n' sell to. . .China.

Detroit & China & Lake Michigan. . . the plot thickens. . .

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 21:54 | 4867596 UselessEater
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Countless water sources around the globe are also poisoned by the rogue MNCs operating facories, drilling rigs etc with scant regard for the environment (unnecessarily, to save a buck).

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 17:41 | 4866892 ajax
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"And the water comes from.... ?"

Don't you worry, Nestle is on it.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 18:22 | 4867044 starman
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Perrier! duh?

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 16:50 | 4866687 cougar_w
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No water in Australia.

All the arable land on the planet that can be easily mde productive is in production and has been for a century or longer, except whatever little can be had by clear cutting the Amazon. But the soil there is only about 6 inches deep and is gone in a few years.

It's over. There is no solution.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 16:55 | 4866699 Gaius Frakkin' ...
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There's undoubtedly solutions... the question is whether the apes will be able to find them in time.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 16:59 | 4866716 NOTaREALmerican
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Optimism is the best solutions there is.   If it turns out there's no solution, you're still optimistic.  If there is a solution, you're even more optimistic.   Plus, optimists have more optimistic DNA-bling causing even more optimism about solutions.  

Overall,  optimism is the way to go in any situation. 

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 17:06 | 4866755 Flakmeister
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There are more than few here that are optimistic things will not end well...

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 19:28 | 4867236 CrashisOptimistic
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"Well" is when there are 10 people left alive on the planet, and you are the dominant dood of those 10.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 19:35 | 4867260 Flakmeister
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Well isn;t that every libtards fantasy??

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 19:39 | 4867276 magnetosphere
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1 dude and 9 chicks

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 20:13 | 4867361 Flakmeister
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Hosanna on high!

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 17:37 | 4866875 Citxmech
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Catastrophic and chaotic depopulation is going to be the solution imposed on us unless we can address population overshoot in some other way that we find more palatable.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 17:41 | 4866894 youngman
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a few volcanos popping off in one year could do that...darken the days...no sun for growing...colder temps...and many of us turn to fossils in a few billion years

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 18:03 | 4866978 cynicalskeptic
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You KNOW that depopulation is the end game - look for a massive outbreak of avian flu in Asia ripping through China, SE Asia and South Asia.  

Boom - you've just reduced the fastest growing populations.  Expect a huge die off in Africa - clearing the way for recolonization and massive raw material exploitation.  The lower classes in the West will be hard hit as well - but then it's not like there are many employment opportunities for the unskilled and uneducated so still a net 'gain.'  Of course if you have the money a 'miracle' drug will be available - but in severely limited quantities (politicians at the front of the line for free as 'critical personnel').

Just one of 'those things' - like 1919........ Gaia getting revenge.     PROVE it's NOT a 'natural' occurrence.......

 

Think 'V for Vendetta' on a global scale.   Of course TPTB will say 'We HAD to do it to SAVE humanity'.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 18:13 | 4867010 TheReplacement
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I think that is exactly the plan.  Don't some "socialists" believe that the world can support 300M total population?  Well in this everything-is-manipulated world we have systems that take from the productive and reward the unproductive.  The more lack of productivity is rewarded the more the supply of unproductive people grows.  Anyone can see where this leads.  Keynes seems to have understood that on a long enough timeline...

So if you want to depopulate the world you have to realize by now that war is not going to do it unless it is WMD.  If WMD comes out on a global scale there is a good chance no humans will survive so this is not a workable plan.

Maybe you look at history.  The climate changes.  Human history is littered with examples of population growth and decline in parallel with climate changes.  The timing is right for a change, gradual though it may be.  To ensure this really does knock down the population you just have to make sure the population is crowded and absolutely cannot feed itself once on the downramp weather-wise.  Add in convenient but happy accidents like Fukushima and peak oil and this will be a dream come true for the people who want to play God and control everything (MarxiDemocommusociafacsiticRepubonazis+Bankers+useful-idiots-like-Zuckerberg).  Bring on the famine, disease, and full on break down.

 

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 18:59 | 4867155 Miffed Microbio...
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Well, If that doesn't work I can attest to the fact the microbes are waiting in the wings for any opportunity to finish the job. They always win in the end.

Miffed;-)

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 20:08 | 4867351 IndyPat
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I think the Georgia Guidestones laid out the plan as explicitly as possible.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 01:39 | 4868051 Colonel Klink
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500 million baby!

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 18:24 | 4867053 cougar_w
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"There's undoubtedly solutions"

Really? Solutions (plural) without a doubt? No doubts at all of any kind? Solutions for everyone, that won't destroy the planet? That will find ready capital for investment, healthy regulatory environments, and able workers with the correct skill sets?

Seriously? In the mutherfucking plural?

You know -- that's just about 6 different kinds of steaming bullshit.

The human race cannot afford any more blind appeals to faith. We either wrap our heads around how we're going back -- going back to something rational and sustainable --  or we're just going to eat each other like a pack of rabid cannibals on crack.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 18:48 | 4867115 Citxmech
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Come on - stop being so pessimistic W.  

Sing along with me:  "When you wish upon a star. . . "

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 22:20 | 4867664 Nick Jihad
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You need to get out more. Efficiency of seawater desalinization has improved by leaps and bounds in recent decades. And in north america, we haven't even begun to tap into the Great Lakes, which dump huge quantities of fresh water into the Atlantic ocean. And even though the US has ceased researching nuclear power, the rest of the world is pursuing a variety of promising technologies. Clean, safe, efficient nuclear power is not that far off.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 00:36 | 4867981 _disengage_
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There are LOADS of solutoins that fit your requirements. In the original Dustbowl a guy by the name of Howard Finnel figured out that plowing/furrowing on contour would allow water to soak in not flow off the land. On soak and the grass can start growing again to stabilize the soil. (this is the basic groundwork for desert rehab)

A few years later after WW2 P.A. Yeomans furthered the concept (I think independently discovered) in Australia. His farm started in 1940s and is still there today; it was built on "unusable" land. (this system is called the Keyline plan)

Still later Bill Mollison and David Holmgren laid out the beginnings of Permaculture. Currently Geoff Lawton is running the Permaculture Institute and they have a nice working model of "Greening the Desert" project. (Permaculture is a method of design that essentially makes really efficient use of the elements within the design. Example: cycling water through many elements before discharging it. Most of what I am talking about here is agricultural, but PC is not limited to this and the concepts can be applied to any functional design)

Brad Landcaster is using swales and rainwater harvesting techniques in Arizona to GREAT success. It storms a few times a year in most deserts, the key is to capture the water when it comes so you can use it when you need it later. The drought in CA now followed by a potentially wet season is laughable; why are people building drains and not swales so that the next drought that hits will be mitigated?

People like Mansoba Fukuoka were doing similar stuff in the early 1900s with "do nothing farming" and seedballs.

Sepp Holtzer is growing pumpkins and other warm weather crops in alpine conditions.

Jean Pain shows in practice and his book, "A new kind of Garden", shows how to harvest methane from managed forests that also results in fire prevention. If the world's forests were managed appropriatly they would produce about as much energy as we consume annually. (moving it around and other problems do exist)

We can literally double to arable growing area of the earth for almost no cost (local resources primarily) and with unskilled labor. A bunch of women in India can dig you the best swales/earthworks you can imagine; in MUCH more detail than the bulldozer.

Used tires can be rammed with earth to create long lasting highly durable "Earthships" - a type of house designed by Michael Reynolds. When designed properly the houses can supply heating/cooling/water/waste management passively.

Anyway, there really are loads of solutions - this was just a few off the top of my head. Google any of those names and you'll likely be impressed with what they have actually shown works (often times for decades).

Oh one more: China is also way out ahead on some of this stuff. In the 1990s they started looking into greening their deserts for just the reasons we are seeing now. It took them a while to get going, but they have a working model now and a few thousand square kilometers finished. Within the next few years they hope to be at (i think) 10-20k sq kilos. Check out a documentary on it: "Green Gold".

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 17:01 | 4866734 IndyPat
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Just as long as the "solution" doesn't have a "final" label on it, I'm all ears....

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 17:37 | 4866881 Citxmech
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Mother Nature doesn't concern herself too much with lables.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 22:00 | 4867607 UselessEater
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Australia has water. We just not allowed to utilise it effectively with more dams and pipelines (eg farmers in South Australia being blocked from their own dams by fees and reg's).

In the late 1800's we ere mastering pipelines that now provide water to over 100,000 people 500km away from easy access water sources:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goldfields_Water_Supply_Scheme

The scheme consisted of three key elements – the Mundaring Weir, which was fed with water from the Helena River in the Darling Scarp; a 760 millimetres (30 in) diameter steel pipe which ran from the dam to Kalgoorlie 530 kilometres (330 mi) away; and a series of eight pumping stations and two small holding dams to control pressures and to lift the water over the Darling Scarp ridge.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 16:52 | 4866694 NOTaREALmerican
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It's not the land as much as the water.  Most of Australia is a desert. 

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 17:03 | 4866742 IndyPat
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....It's not the water so much as the radioactive cesium...

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 04:40 | 4868213 Nexus789
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Taking a dump might prove problematic.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 21:05 | 4867482 Kassandra
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Who is that ugly child...and why??

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 16:37 | 4866623 Timmay
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"Let them eat rice cake."

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 17:45 | 4866909 ajax
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"Let them eat rice cake."

Nope, rice needs more water than practically another food crop on earth - no water no rice. Rice is nice.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 18:05 | 4866983 cynicalskeptic
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'long pork'  - the Chinese euphamism for Soylent Green.  Plenty of that around - though it will be getting scrawnier and tougher.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 18:51 | 4867127 Citxmech
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Speaking of which - a remake of Soylent Green set in China would be disturbingly plausible.  Too bad the Chicoms would never allow it to be seen.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 19:59 | 4867328 Bangin7GramRocks
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Greatest fucking picture! Thank You Tyler.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 16:32 | 4866603 Say What Again
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OK, lets charge them exorbitant prices for crappy food.

After all, Turnabout is fair play

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 16:48 | 4866674 Dr. Richard Head
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And poof!  The trade balance is restored. That is of course if the US government stops subsidizing farmers to not grow...

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 16:50 | 4866683 IndyPat
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No shit. Cut yoga mats into blocks and label it Tofu.
And no matter what meat we label it as, it better be 100% fucking cat...every time.

Wait. I like cats.

Make that feral hog...

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 16:58 | 4866715 ebear
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"it better be 100% fucking cat...every time."

Brilliant!  First eat cats, then when rat population multiplies, eat them too!

Hidden Bonus:  no more LOL catz on the internet!

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 17:06 | 4866756 IndyPat
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Look it! I said no eating cats! I dig them.
Let the pigs eat pigs...

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 18:08 | 4866997 cynicalskeptic
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One way to recycle humans - less direct than 'long pork' or Soylent Green.  Pigs have no problems eating dead humans - or pretty much anything else.  More a matter of time and effort.  If you're starving can you wait for the additional transformative step?

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 18:20 | 4867037 TheReplacement
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Everyone needs to be able to go outside and forage a meal if they have to.  You might end up eating the same stuff everyday but it's better than having to eat people or starve. 

Don't tell me you don't have minnows, frogs, toads, chipmonks, birds, snakes, lizards, deer, rats, muscrats, beaver, moose, or just plain old acorns. 

China?  Can't fix it.  They are gonna starve or conquer.  Japan looks a lot less tasty now that they farted the nuke plant up.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 21:39 | 4867553 post turtle saver
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Purrsian fighters? lol omg wtf

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 17:00 | 4866728 Flakmeister
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You obviously have never been to the outing where an entire Boar is BBQ'ed....

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 17:09 | 4866765 IndyPat
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You obviously don't know what type of boar I'm referring to.

The ones I'm talking about gestate in 3 days, grow the size of a two seater jet ski and taste exactly like 3 day dead rectum.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 17:16 | 4866783 Flakmeister
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Fair enough...

I've only ever had the good ones...

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 18:21 | 4867042 TheReplacement
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In some parts, those are the good ones.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 17:22 | 4866807 Urban Redneck
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"and taste exactly like 3 day dead rectum"

way to leave yourself some wiggle room...

I hope it wasn't 3 day dead human rectum

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 17:38 | 4866882 Flakmeister
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Yeah, I just let that slide, TMI....

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 18:16 | 4867028 Urban Redneck
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That was too tasty to pass up...

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 19:32 | 4867248 CrashisOptimistic
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Philippines and central america frequently bury a whole pig/boar on hot coals and leave it to cook for a day and sometimes two.

Then it gets hauled up and you discover where 'eating high on the hog" came from.  That meat on its back is excellent.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 20:22 | 4867368 Flakmeister
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Had a Berber friend that did a wicked good Mechoui...

Aside: He took at low end lectureship with TUM in Munich and upon a return visit told us with a straightface he found a crappy place to live in a suburb called Dachau...

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 16:35 | 4866613 nasdaq99
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well, the balancing news is that the rain forests have been bulldozed for farmland at the rate of about 4000 acres/hour for about a decade now.  

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 17:04 | 4866750 ebear
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True Story:

Place I used to work sold their retired truck fleet to a dealer from Texas (stetson, boots, string tie - the whole nine yards).  So I asked him where they were going, and he said "Brazil, to haul logs."

So, I once drove a truck that was used to haul logs out of the Amazon.  Small world.

 

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 16:35 | 4866615 RaceToTheBottom
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That Picture is perfect.  That kid has some volume....

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 16:49 | 4866679 Dr. Richard Head
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Looks like America does have some exports.....fatties!

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 16:35 | 4866616 skree
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I just came back from China - bunch of skinny bastards. You don't see anything equivalent to the American land whale. Of course, I didn't see everyone or every place.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 17:00 | 4866724 CrimsonAvenger
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That's why I call bullshit on this article. Average calorie needs for women are around 2000 and for men, 2600, assuming moderate activity. And these skinny bastards are averaging 3000? Highly unlikely.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 17:06 | 4866757 pods
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Those ipads have to have sparkling clear screens.

I am with you, that 3k calories is about 50% too high, as long as you are getting the actual needed nutrients.  Look at America, home of the malnourished 300 lb human.  We have plenty of calories, but nutrients? lol

pods

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 18:10 | 4867003 cynicalskeptic
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WALL - E without the floating personal Rascal Scooters.....

 

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 19:34 | 4867259 CrashisOptimistic
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The calorie total is just barely on the edge of credible.

Kids burn more.  Fat kids even more than that.

But 3000 is really pushing that edge.

(Antarctic outside work authorizes 5000 calories btw)

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 00:50 | 4867984 kareninca
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I don't know where they come up with "2000 calories a day for women."  You see it all over the place, but it's insane.  Most women I know who aren't fat eat about 1500 calories a day, unless they are sports fanatics.  And I'm not talking about women on a diet; I mean women who eat like a normal human should.  I have never seen a credible source for the 2000 figure (let alone 3000!!!!!).

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 16:36 | 4866620 orangegeek
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So whoever wants to take down China just needs to cut off their food imports - much like Russia.

 

They'll start dropping like flies in about a week.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 16:49 | 4866678 Winston Churchill
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Think about that.

Ukraine was a twofer, maybe threefer.

All that ag land the Chinese had leased with its harvest going overland.

Talk about being in the wrong place, at the wrong time.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 16:36 | 4866625 Jethro
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The Chinese aren't in Africa just for the oil...

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 16:51 | 4866688 IndyPat
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..or the negros....

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 17:04 | 4866748 Jethro
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HAHAAHAHAHAHA

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 16:37 | 4866626 localspaced
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So that's why smartphones get bigger all the time?

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 16:38 | 4866630 SAT 800
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Funny picture; cracked me up. California, eh? maybe they'd like to buy it ?

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 16:41 | 4866643 NOTaREALmerican
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They already are.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 16:40 | 4866637 toady
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Hungry?

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 16:41 | 4866641 kchrisc
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When the TP$ (Petro$) goes poof and only foreigners have money, gold, add starvation to the list of ills of the American people, as foreigners buy every scrap of food produced here.

 

"If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their Fathers conquered...I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies... The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs."

                                                                                                                    Maybe or maybe not Thomas Jefferson

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 16:41 | 4866645 Overfed
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What's the Chinese word for Lebensraum?

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 16:44 | 4866650 Jethro
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Reblenslaum?

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 16:56 | 4866704 IndyPat
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You rock, sir!
Take a bow.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 16:44 | 4866653 luckylogger
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The boys and girls in the monsanto / Dupont labs have been working on this for a long time. The increase in farm production is unreal. But if they continue to turn down GMO crops then maybe they will get a little hungry. It is the solution like it or not. Or of course you could just take every other person and shoot them. Then we have plenty of land to grow "organic" foods.....

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 16:45 | 4866655 HobbyFarmer
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I picked a good year to begin training my oxen team.  I'm having a blast running this hobby farm (part time gig for me)....learning a ton and eating a ton of delicious food from the gardens already.  Looks like a bumper year for my cherry trees and strawberries.

I don't know if we're in the beginning of another dustbowl or not, but I've never had more fun than over the past 3 years getting this farm up and running.  Adding another cistern to my barn roofs along with several thousand feet of drip lines....

I hope everybody reading this finds a hobby as fulfilling.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 16:53 | 4866697 Jethro
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What breed of cattle are you using? 

One of my friends gave me a couple of pet goats, and I'd forotten how cool goats were. They act like dogs.  Very trainable.  I don't have the acreage for cows...no with our yearly rainfall average.  Maybe some day.  Congrats of your pet cows though.  They can be very sweet creatures.

I have been playing with hugelkultur though both as a gardening methd and to mitigate stormwater runoff. 

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 17:14 | 4866774 Cathartes Aura
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love the goats, from nubians to CAGBAs.

I've set my sights on gettin' a YAK though, the "Highland Cow" for more edgy folks, heh. . .

one day, *smiles*

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 17:36 | 4866869 Jethro
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I was surprised that yaks do well in my vicinity. Crossbreeds do even better given hybrid vigor.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 17:50 | 4866927 WillyGroper
Tue, 06/17/2014 - 17:47 | 4866914 bigrooster
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Goats are much better than cattle.  They take less space, eat anything and usually have two kids so you can grow your heard much faster.  Stay away from boar goats, I had a huge male and it almost killed me.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 22:50 | 4867752 HobbyFarmer
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I've raised Guernsey's and Jerseys....for the oxen, I'm going with a pair of Holsteins. If this expirement fails, i'll have plenty of beef for my efforts.

I'm surprised how trainable/friendly cows are, too.  Amazing pets....convert grass to milk and meat.  What a creature!

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 16:57 | 4866710 Postal
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I'll be putting in another raised bed in a couple of weeks (yes, it's late in the season, but it's the only chance I have). Still need other stuff done, too, but one thing at a time.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 18:51 | 4867129 shovelhead
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I feel the same way about internet porn.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 16:45 | 4866657 Rainman
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Solly .. no can eat empty buildings.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 16:45 | 4866658 FrankDrakman
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this means that the Chinese population requires a whopping 2 quadrillion Calories each year

Sounds like a snack for the Wookie.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 16:46 | 4866659 rsnoble
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save the children! We need those guns!

 

Lieing motherfuckers

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 16:57 | 4866667 IndyPat
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Chow Fat

Edit: Yung Chow Fat

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 16:47 | 4866670 cougar_w
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That is really bad news for China.

They are probably set to return to an agrarian economy sometime in the next 10 years (along with the rest of us but probably 10 years ahead of the US) and if they are already importing food then that transition is going to be lethal.

Disorderly retreat. Sun Tsu is not impressed.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 17:17 | 4866785 Flakmeister
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Reposted from over at RC (ht Chris Korda)

 

I recently discovered the father of human ecology, the guy who invented the term overshoot, William R. Catton. His classic book “Overshoot” seethes with innovation, but perhaps my favorite is his classification of people as detrivores, meaning animals that eat dead stuff, in our case the dead plants and animals that became fossil fuels. Ever since we discovered oil we’ve been having a wild party, like yeast in a bottle, but now that the cheap good stuff is gone, our “exuberance” (reflexive optimism) increasingly seems like a bad joke. Another point he makes is that the consequences were mostly unexpected. In the 1950s if you went around saying that people shouldn’t build cars and highways and suburbs because burning fossil fuels would change the atmosphere and the weather and cause flooding and a hothouse world, nobody would have believed you. They would have laughed, or given you a lobotomy. It’s easy to blame people for being exuberant, but our optimism was forged during the seventeenth century when the resources of New World were seemingly inexhaustible and our population was relatively small. Catton is still with us, and he makes these points and many others in a recentinterview.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 18:26 | 4867027 cougar_w
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Detritivores.

Brilliant.

Thanks for sharing that. Once in a while I read something here that is seriously enriching, and that made the list.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 21:46 | 4867567 Wild Theories
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Bad news, yes, but for the rest of the world.

Why?

Because the Chinese can afford their food imports, they are not poor anymore. It's the rest of the world that has to deal with rising food prices driven up by Chinese demand.

Economics baby, economics.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 16:49 | 4866677 NOZZLE
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Meanwhile idiots continue to scream about GMO cereal crops.   GMO corn and beans have been in commercial use for 20 years.  Any proven or documented ill effects?  Any?  

Here is what is being worked on right now, modifying corn so that it fixes its own Nitrogen.  Modifying any plant so that it optimizes the use of available Phosphorus by excreating acid into the soil around the root zone.

Go ahead show your anti science idiocy, down arrow me all want and go up arrow some global warming fraud instead.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 16:52 | 4866695 cougar_w
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Relax. Nobody cares anymore. It's just all a nightmare now nobody is getting out without losing at least a limb.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 16:53 | 4866696 magnetosphere
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we have plenty of nitrogen and phosphorus

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 17:18 | 4866752 Flakmeister
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Nitrogen is basically Nat Gas, no argument there...

Phosphorus could get iffy in a few years...

Water will do us in first...

Edit: Or a collapse in oil production...

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 18:27 | 4867006 magnetosphere
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exhibit 3, grantham tells me known reserves of phosphorus / production = 400 years

http://www.advisoranalyst.com/glablog/2011/07/25/gmos-jeremy-granthams-q...

dont know much about water, but i believe north america is better off than the rest of the world.  reverse osmosis desalination plant on Jersey  island gives 160 liters/ 1.3 kwh, not bad

oil declines may finally let us institute a sensible monetary system, ill take that for starters

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 18:56 | 4867132 Flakmeister
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Pick your study, all the data is pretty dodgy:

Peak phosphorus is the point in time at which the maximum global phosphorus production rate is reached. Phosphorus is a scarce finite resource on earth and means of production other than mining are unavailable because of its non-gaseous environmental cycle.[1]According to some researchers, Earth's phosphorus reserves are expected to be completely depleted in 50–100 years and peak phosphorus to be reached in approximately 2030.[2][3] Whereas in stark contrast the International Fertilizer Development Center in a 2010 report estimates that global phosphate rock resources will last for several hundred years.[4] The predominant source of phosphorus comes in the form of phosphate rock and in the past guano.

As for water, yes, clearly NA is the place to be. I think your "sensible monetary" system is a pipe dream if only by the time it becomes feasible, it will not be necessary....

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 19:48 | 4867304 magnetosphere
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people will always need a money system.  in the far distant future it will not involve fiat or interest rates, and all the hopes of the bankers will be dashed.  im prepared to wait a long time, but the journey there has already started.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 20:06 | 4867344 Overfed
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Geez Flak, did your account get hacked or sumthin'? Three non-douche posts in a row. Can't be the real Flak. :-)

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 20:19 | 4867377 Flakmeister
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Truly remarkable things can occur when I am not being gratuitously insulted...

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 01:54 | 4868069 cbxer55
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LOL.

How true, Duck.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 16:54 | 4866701 IndyPat
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When your balls shrink to the size of BBs, don't look surprised.

You might want to do some reading outside the Monsanto Library.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 17:30 | 4866837 Al Huxley
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LOL

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 17:22 | 4866809 Zero-risk bias
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Some have enough sense to realize that yet again we have lost the right to produce our own food and make our own dietary choices.

Yet you trust that only large-scale agriculture and science can meet global requirements. Why?

These days food often looks, smells  and tastes different to how it used to be. It is grown, packaged, distributed and stored in the least optimal conditions, yet can still pass a declining standard of quality checks, and be marketed well-enough to sell.

Effetively we have a tiered production system of relative nutritional value, and a relative level of safety. Is this good?

But, I'm just a paranoid luddite, who can't grasp that science is fully in control. The appliance of science is always benevolant and worthwhile.

 

 

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 17:53 | 4866935 ajax
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nice post Zero-risk bias. Luddites love their old-style luscious tomatoes, melons etc.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 19:01 | 4867160 shovelhead
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"we have lost the right to produce our own food and make our own dietary choices."

That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

Who's stopping you from buying dirt and growing your own?

You must be a city boy.

 

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 20:52 | 4867450 Terminus C
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Hint: it's the seeds...

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 17:26 | 4866817 bunnyswanson
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For the first time in my life, ants are not swarming around dog or cat food that is set outside.  Flies are not landing on it either.  This is alarming.

The high quality produce out of california is shipped to China.  We see 2nd pickings here and we live in the Salad Bowl of the World in California.  That is alarming as well.

Corporations came in and bought family farms after the loans designed to set up the owners for foreclosure were issued in early 2000.  Suddenly, the value had doubled and tripled and when you have bills, you do what anyone would with sudden equity that will refinance at a lower interest rate, you refinance or create an equity line of credit.

This popsicle stand called the economy and the people in charge are sabotaging America's ability to do business within its own country - and they call it Global-fuck you-ization.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhbRlhQgj_Y  What's it like living in the dark?  In love with your alibi?  Trading it all in to avoid an unpleasant scene?  Weaklink in da chain.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 18:28 | 4867067 WillyGroper
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EMF?

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 22:05 | 4867622 effendi
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Tinkering with Mother Nature is dangerous, 99 times in 100 you will benefit (higher yields, frost tolerance etc) but that 100th time will cause unexpected problems.

A few years ago they developed by GM a method of turning crop waste (like plant roots) into alchohol. It worked fine in the lab and was all set for field trials. Fortunatly one researcher ran some extra tests and found that the GM organism would not only turn crop waste into alcohol but would turn organic matter around growing plant roots into alcohol. The level would have been high enough to kill the plants. ALL PLANTS. What that would do to the ecology would be bigger than just about any past event (snowball earth, meteorite impact, extinction of dinosaurs etc).

 

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 16:54 | 4866700 Gringo Viejo
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HO NAAAAAH! HUNG GUYYYYYYYYYY!

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 16:56 | 4866707 MsCreant
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I apologize in advance, I have done this bit before but it seems to apply:

Sum Ting Wong

The joke may be on us...

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 16:58 | 4866711 Ban KKiller
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Polluted soil! No shit? Manufacturing chemicals poured into drains that go to rivers where that water is pumped onto fields and to animals?Long dead pigs!

Progress?

 

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 17:01 | 4866722 Jethro
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...or dead long pig.  equally marketable in China most likely.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 17:06 | 4866749 NOTaREALmerican
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Re:  Manufacturing chemicals poured into drains that go to rivers where that water is pumped onto fields and to animals?

It goes right into people's drinking water.    If the Chinese survive their environment over the next few generations, the anti-environmentalists will be proven right: the solution to polution is dilution. 

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 17:45 | 4866910 Citxmech
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Only problem is that pollutant concentrations are overtaking our ability to dilute to safe levels.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 17:00 | 4866729 Falconsixone
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Sounds like to many hungry hongs 

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 17:03 | 4866746 Rehab Willie
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the absolute BEST case scenario is substantially lower population levels.

Fixed it for you.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 17:09 | 4866766 HamRove
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Durden!! How did you get my school yearbook photo? 

You son of a.....

I will suuuuu you! ;P

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 17:16 | 4866781 Itch
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Keep them away from your cockroach stash, they cant resist, nom. Casual racism strikes again.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 17:32 | 4866848 Zero-risk bias
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Extra crispy.

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