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The Most Destructive Presidencies In U.S. History: George W. Bush & Barack H. Obama

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Submitted by Charles Hugh-Smith of OfTwoMinds blog,

Powers once granted are almost impossible to take back.

After 13.5 years, there is more than enough evidence for reasonable people to conclude that the presidencies of George W. Bush and Barack H. Obama are easily the most destructive in U.S. history.

When historians speak of failed presidencies or weak presidencies, they are typically referring to presidencies characterized by uneven leadership, petty corruption by self-serving cronies or in extreme cases such as the Nixon presidency, abuses of executive power.

But weak or failed presidencies are not destructive to the rule of law and the foundations of the nation. The failed president leaves office and the basic structure of the nation continues: the rule of law, the balance of powers and a free-market economy.

A destructive president weakens or corrupts these core structures in favor of executive-branch powers, and passes these unconstitutional powers to the next executive for further expansion.

The Bush and Obama presidencies have effectively dismantled the rule of law and the Constitution by invoking essentially unlimited executive powers in the name of "national security:" we the citizens of the U.S. can now be accused of violating secret laws, be indicted in secret, tried in secret and sentenced to life in prison based on evidence fabricated in secret, i.e. declaring unclassified documents classified after the fact to incriminate and imprison whistleblowers.

How is this any different from totalitarian fascist regimes?

This is absolutely contrary to basic civil liberties defined by the Constitution. Who benefits from this destruction of fundamental civil liberties? (Always start by asking cui bono--to whose benefit?)

The Big Lie is that this destruction of the foundations of the rule of law and civil liberties is for our own good: if the President and the National Security State don't grab all these powers and deprive you of your constitutional rights, bad guys will destroy the nation.

This is of course the same old tired justification used by dictators and despots everywhere, and it is always a lie. The truth that must be hidden is that this wholesale expansion of executive powers at the expense of civil liberties, democracy, the rule of law and the balance of powers benefits the executive branch.

Every abuse of the law is now declared legal by executive order. Anyone questioning the legality of extra-legal abuses of power is told "this is legal because it was authorized by the President." In other words, executive power is now unquestioned and cannot be challenged.

For a variety of unsavory reasons, the Supreme Court has enabled this expansion of essentially unlimited executive power. Congress has also rubber-stamped it as part of The Global War on Terror (GWOT), the unlimited war that justifies unlimited executive powers, unlimited secrecy and unlimited expansion of the National Security State, the Deep State that is impervious to changes in electoral government.

Presidents Bush and Obama have directed this expansion of the National Security State because it greatly enhances the power of the Presidency. This is how we get a president who is delighted to discover that he's good at killing people remotely with drone strikes.

The expansion of secret programs and secret wars has engorged the Pentagon, the C.I.A. and the N.S.A., not just with funding but more importantly, with new powers granted by the executive branch and rubber-stamped by an impotent Congress and supine Supreme Court.

The president's power is greatly enhanced by this expansion of the National Security State, and the self-serving "patriots" empowered by the essentially unlimited secrecy are free to do whatever they please under the umbrella of executive privilege.

True patriots attempting to defend basic constitutional rights are labeled terrorists by the phony patriots busy destroying the foundations of the nation. The Orwellian doublespeak is as unlimited as executive power: a citizen who releases unclassified material about the secret abuse of power can be accused of treason on the Kafkaesque basis that unclassified material can be considered classified if it exposes the abuse of executive power.

All of this is well-documented and has been in the public realm for years. There is nothing mysterious about the destruction of basic rights or the abrogation of the balance or power or the rule of law. It's visible and painfully obvious to anyone who cares to read or watch a few interviews of whistleblowers who have been hounded and harassed by the Obama Administration.

For two examples of hundreds of articles and interviews, please read:

Senior NSA Executive: NSA Started Spying On Journalists in 2002... In Order to Make Sure They Didn’t Report On Mass Surveillance (washingtonsblog.com; I recommend the entire series of interviews)
"To me, there’s a psychology that’s not often written about: What happens when you have this much reach and power, and constraints of law and even policy simply fade into the woodwork."

PBS Frontline Interview - Thomas Drake.

This destruction of the fundamental building blocks of the nation has been rubber-stamped by gutless Republicans and Democrats alike. Cowed by the threat of appearing "soft on terrorism," left and right alike have scrambled to appear "tough on terrorism" by approving the wholesale transfer of power to the National Security State and the executive branch.

Of the dozens of books published on the abuses of executive power and the uncontrolled expansion of the National Security State, here are two worthy starting points:

The Family Jewels: The CIA, Secrecy, and Presidential Power

The Way of the Knife: The CIA, a Secret Army, and a War at the Ends of the Earth

This destruction of the fundamental building blocks of the nation has been rubber-stamped by gutless Republicans and Democrats alike. Cowed by the threat of appearing "soft on terrorism," left and right alike have scrambled to appear "tough on terrorism" by approving the wholesale transfer of power to the National Security State and the executive branch.

It is laughable to see so-called liberals and conservatives alike in Congress kow-tow to the National Security State while claiming they have effective oversight, even as the revelations of whistleblowers reveals them as clueless toadies with no real grasp of what is being done in the name of the American people they claim to represent.

Those abusing executive power in the Nixon administration knew they were breaking the law. Those abusing power in the Bush and Obama administrations simply declare their actions legal. In effect, any action taken by the president or the National Security State is legal in name if not in principle.

Powers once granted are almost impossible to take back. What president will give away essentially unlimited executive powers established as "law" by previous presidents? We don't elect saints as presidents, we elect infinitely ambitious people desiring power. We should not be surprised that such people not only consolidate the power they inherit but actively seek more.

We should also not be surprised that all these power grabs by the executive branch and the National Security State are cloaked in secrecy, and that anyone who dares to reveal the power grabs and abuses of power to the public is declared a traitor and crucified.

A traitor to what? It's a question every citizen should ask and answer for themselves.

 

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Tue, 06/17/2014 - 19:25 | 4867225 90's Child
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Fuck'em both.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 19:27 | 4867235 prains
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The Same Team paradigm is then a troothy throoth and exposes the Oligarch controlled political system for what it is

 

complete bullshit

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 19:45 | 4867289 0b1knob
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President Lincoln laid waste to a large section of the US, killed millions, and used the constitution to whipe his ass.  Bush and Obama are minor league.

He is of course the ideal that all presidents aspire to be.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 19:49 | 4867307 Flakmeister
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Get over it, you lost...

Not that the South had any shred of "moral ascendency"...

Gotta love those roving packs of militias hanging "deserters" just like the NKVD and SS....

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 20:15 | 4867366 knukles
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Interestingly, many of my neo-con buds have started to seriously give up on the Establishment Repubs... now wonder out loud about a third party... not that they've missed anything, what?
But the libtard progressives still sit embroiled in their Hegelian Dialectic but now blame the Tea Party for everything, including Cantor's defeat, of which they are wary.
Wary because they see the Teas as their "new threat"... domestic threat, mind you.

But ever so understandable as even they want the Establishment Repubs in power... after all, look at what has befallen us, no?
In the end the Establishment Repubs go along with the Obozonites after a lot of bitching, pissing and moaning.

Border invasion, anyone? 

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 20:23 | 4867385 NotApplicable
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Thing is, what you're witnessing is generational, and matters not ultimately, as there will always be the next generation yet to experience discovery of the Grand Facade. Which, of course, is why nothing matters more than who holds power over the educational system and MSM.

I can only hope that The Daily Bell is right, and that the Internet Reformation is too much for the gatekeepers.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 20:53 | 4867453 john39
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Bush and Obama are distant cousins:

http://kristof.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/03/21/obama-and-bush-are-cousins/?...

As most of the rest of the presidents. In short, the electoral system is a fraud.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 23:11 | 4867805 Hugh_Jorgan
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Bush and Obama destructive, certainly. And it may be too early to tell for sure, but I would suggest you read and take a close look at two champions of flagrant ham-fisted political tyranny:

1. Abraham Lincoln - (Obama's brother from another mother) great speeches and policies that bore nor resemblance to them, read the text of the emancipation proclamation. America's first serial violator of the US Constitution, responsible for the official end of states rights.

2. Franklin Delano Roosevelt - 3 terms of massive government programs including price fixing and innumerable expensive make-work programs and architect of ill-fated SSI program. He was the first openly "ask what your government can do for you" entitlement president.

Nuff said...

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 00:22 | 4867962 TahoeBilly2012
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CHS...."DEEP STATE"! Protocols of Learned Elders of Zion..."DEEP STATE"!! 

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 06:21 | 4868291 Cheduba
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Yes!  The Daily Bell!  That is part of my daily routine to read - excellent analysis of memes the elite are trying to push on us and I was devastated when they said they were closing down and I thought I would never see the site again (but thankfully it restarted).

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 21:28 | 4867416 J S Bach
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What a joke.  Thinking people immediately substitute the word, "President" with "Puppet".

 

Thus...

"The Most Destructive Puppets In U.S. History: George W. Bush & Barack H. Obama".

 

Those two morons could care less about anything but the remote chances of their perverted indescretions being aired publicly by their blackmailing puppet masters.

The same is true for Clinton and Bush Senior before them.

 

The whole rotten structure has to be replaced.  The hidden usurious powers behind the throne must be exposed and eliminated... for all time.

 

May our children live to see written in their history books about the Great Usury Epoch which led them into the (hopefully brief) Dark Age before the Enlightened Reform.

 

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 22:04 | 4867621 Seize Mars
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Now do you see the wisdom of the Stateless society?

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 23:51 | 4867839 Flakmeister
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It would be *so* cool if Santa Claus was truly real...

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 22:49 | 4867749 Babaloo
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Cantor's defeat? Hegelian dialectic?

You don't have the vaguest idea of what you're talking about and the people who up voted you must be as medicated as you.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 01:41 | 4868054 James_Cole
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Cantor's defeat? Hegelian dialectic?

Hegelian dialectic is something stupid people have appropriated incorrectly in a futile bid to seem intelligent. 

“What the fuck? What the fuck are you talking about man? What the fuck has this got to do with Vietnam, man??”

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 20:17 | 4867370 NotApplicable
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We all lost, you fool. One in every twenty people were murdered to prove once and for all, that you will pay, not simply walk away.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 20:52 | 4867449 TheReplacement
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Another might say the South shot first and how many poor southerner's died so their social betters could try to maintain their slave-owning lives of luxury?

The slave South was no better than the oligarchs of today.  They both live on the backs of beasts of burden - human slavery.  Hang 'em all.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 21:51 | 4867586 icanhasbailout
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Saying the South shot first is a lie of ommission. Lincoln committed the first act of war in that conflict, and he did so with deliberate intent.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 23:53 | 4867908 Flakmeister
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Could you read for us the Preamble of the Missisippi Articles of Secession....

Then maybe hum a few bars to the "Cornerstone Speech"....

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 20:34 | 4867414 Pants McPants
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In other words, naked tyrannical behavior is justified so long as you are on the winning 'team'

Got it.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 20:53 | 4867454 TheReplacement
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That would really apply perfectly if the South had won and been able to keep their slaves. 

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 21:26 | 4867525 Pants McPants
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Right, because everyone knows the US civil war was fought solely over slavery.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 21:53 | 4867593 nmewn
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Not to turn this into slave-this-slave-that...but, Lee freed his slaves (manumission) in 1862, before the bogus Emancipation Proclamation of Lincoln and even further before Grants family (by marriage) were forced to free theirs in 1865 by law.

His thoughts on it...in 1856

http://www.civilwarhome.com/leepierce.htm

Point is, Lee didn't fight for slavery, he fought for his state and his people. The war was not fought over slavery (Lincoln said so) despite what you've been told or taught. It was fought over the right of sovereign states to secede from a voluntary arrangement of alliance with a central power by brute force but "the real issue" never will be resolved, rebellion is as old as central governments.

Any unbiased reading of the Emancipation Proclamation proves it, Lincoln DID NOT free slaves from the areas under control of his army, he specifically excluded those areas.

Google it and look for the phrase "except the" ;-)

No, its not what you've been told.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 03:36 | 4868172 The Navigator
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Also Google 'Lincoln said "Who will pay for the government"' when asked 'why not let the South go'

http://www.plpow.com/WhyTheWarWasStarted.htm

http://confederateheritage.org/Lincoln-Endorses-Permanent-Slavery-Amendm...

Also see the Morrill Tariff - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morrill_Tariff

Southerners were paying the bulk of taxes and most government expenditures were spent on Northern projects.

Lincoln only brought up the slavery issue 2 years after the War for Sourthern Secession had started and wanted to have a "nobel excuse' for starting the war.

Psychopathological Lying  bastard.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 05:15 | 4868236 dreadnaught
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Wait...if it wasnt for slavery, then why did the South want to suceed from the Union?  Interesting read on Lee, if factual

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 06:24 | 4868295 Pants McPants
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This kind of thinking is akin to wondering who'll pick the cotton and the food if the slaves were set free?

Nervermind we're talking about human beings here, even if the rest of the US refused to see them as such.  To this day 'north' US is far more racist than is 'south' US.

To your original question, several reasons are given for secession, none of which are worthy of expansion here exept that north/south secession was practiced 80 years earlier.  Are we to believe 'southern' secession was in any way different than US Revolutionary War?

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 21:50 | 4867583 icanhasbailout
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Actually that conflict will never be over as long as the States are bound to the Union by force. Lincoln abrogated the voluntary nature of the United States and turned it into an empire. As long as the empire exists, its constituent parts will strive to return to equilibrium.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 20:33 | 4867411 I need Another Beer
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U r so right !! 1000 up votes. Its sad no else knows their history

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 20:58 | 4867467 jekyll island
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Uhh, can I get a shout out for Woodrow Wilson? 

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 22:15 | 4867610 nmewn
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The worst, in my opinion.

And its a crowded field.

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lol...to my reddie, there is always one timid, lurking, mouth breathing, socialist-statist-one-world-order type in the bunch ;-)

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 23:14 | 4867812 Greenskeeper_Carl
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I don't know about that. The fed/income tax/direct election of senators was pretty bad, but Lincoln ended the whole idea of a voluntary union of states, caused a civil war that killed untold numbers of people, used federal troops to intimidate voters, jailed opposing politicians, shut down newspapers, suspended habeus corpus, and unnecessarily destroyed and occupied the south. Posse comitatus was written due to him, to make sure he happened again. Plus, I would argue Wilson and his crimes, indeed much of the abuses of power that would come later, happened BECAUSE of the Lincoln presidency. And the worst part is, he is lionized more so than almost every other president. Moron republicans STILL brag about being 'the party of Lincoln'
Wow, that was much longer than I planned, sorry for the rant...

Edit- not your down voter, by the way

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 21:45 | 4867568 29.5 hours
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"President Lincoln laid waste...[further nonsense deleted...]"

For the record: the American Civil War was started by an elite class of people who felt their position weakening politically and socially. They decided they would rather see this country broken up and hundreds of thousands of innocent youth die before they would cede one iota of their effete privilege.

The American Civil War was brought to successful conclusion by masses of working people (north and south and west) who gave their all to keep this country united and strong, despite the disgusting obstruction of vermin (both in the north and south).

Anyone who denies this and gives a pass to the slave-masters of 1860 is probably someone who will give a pass to the slave-masters of the 21st Century when push comes to shove.

And it will.


 

 

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 22:15 | 4867645 Seize Mars
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u drunk bro?

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 22:16 | 4867646 Seize Mars
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u drunk bro?

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 22:16 | 4867649 potato
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Union armies attacked civilian centers.

Gee, wouldn't it be helpful to know how many southerners actually owned slaves?

Well, anyone who wants to know will find out that only 1% of southerners owned slaves. So 99% of the other southerners were either 1.) so stupid as to fight and die for their 1%ers,; or 2.) freedom-fighters against the war of northern aggression.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 23:55 | 4867915 Flakmeister
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Re: the 99%, did it occur to you that they got conned by the 1% into going along with something that was not in their best interests, before AND after....

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 05:00 | 4868227 All_Your_Base
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before AND after....

poor conned might even be taught that "slavery" was "ended" and "freedom" "won"

 

 

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 05:07 | 4868231 Frankie Carbone
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I am not going to dismiss your idea out of hand. That doesn't mean that i accept it as fact, but more that it is an interesting thesis worth entertaining. 

Interesting because, regardless of whether the playbook that you espouse was indeed followed or not, it would be a perfect execution plan today to break up the last barrier to total global slavery, and that is that portion of the United States that still thinks self-governance is a nobel idea. 

Except in this case, this time, we would split along the lines of the Northeast + Great Lakes States + California, Oregon, Washington,  vs Everything west of the California border, all of the western states,  to Tennessee and south of there. 

The perfect way to split a nation in two. 

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 08:36 | 4868526 stant
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That's when the us gov discovered there was good money in freeing the shit of of folks. But thier day is coming

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 19:29 | 4867240 Flakmeister
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Agreed, but the one point where real changes could have been made but the US fell in love with Ronnie and this is what it begat...

They threw out the last president that had the courage to be honest with the American people. And this is what you get when you think there is a free lunch to be had...

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 19:42 | 4867285 nmewn
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"They threw out the last president that had the courage to be honest with the American people."

And he was...?

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 19:44 | 4867294 Flakmeister
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Since you need help, I'll give you three guesses and a hint: It wasn't Nixon....

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 20:00 | 4867331 nmewn
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I'm thinking you believe its Carter.

Am I right again? ;-)

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 20:05 | 4867343 Flakmeister
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God luv ya....

First rule of being a sucessful president is don't inherit a mess and always endevour to blow smoke up the collective asses of the American people...

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 22:27 | 4867360 nmewn
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So Carter then?

(I feel like an overly aggressive dentist, standing on your chest, trying to extract a straight answer from you)

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And after all your mindless vitriol about Southerners too, tsk tsk.

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Just like all your AGW nonsense, all your beliefs disappear into a polar vortex of absolute bullshit when the facts of the matter go against you? Carter was Southerner, wasn't he?  And yet, your ego can't let yourself admit an error in judgement.

Must suck to be you ;-)

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 23:13 | 4867821 americanreality
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So Carter then what?   So Carter now?  

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 07:00 | 4868329 nmewn
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Carter is an amiable man but a goofball. The sort of man who makes for a great next door neighbor in times of peace but if you ever came under attack from gangbangers he would be completely unreliable, preferring to negotiate your stuff away or take their car keys (nana-nana-boo-boo style) instead of shooting them in defense of you.

That is my image of Jimmy Carter.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 20:53 | 4867455 thamnosma
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LOL, Jimmy Carter....thanks for the best laugh in a long time.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 20:15 | 4867362 monad
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Andrew Jackson. But though he didn't advertise it, given the circumstances, Abe Lincoln did it right. JFK was murdered before he went public, and defaimed afterward. 11/22/1963.

Most since AJ and all since JFK are shit. This alleged human experiment is so contaminated by its supposedly objective sponsors that I can only call for absolute independence from said sponsor States. With absolution exoneration from the contrived debts these butt monkeys have allocated themselves, to feed their pussies.

 

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 20:40 | 4867427 DerdyBulls
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Oh I don't know. Grover Cleveland was a decent man. Ironically he was probably the most libertarian too.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 03:31 | 4868167 August
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The Last Good Democrat Grover was.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 20:44 | 4867437 FeralSerf
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Jackson showed the country that the Constitution is just a goddamn piece of paper when it differed with what he wanted to do.

"After the Supreme Court ruled on the case Jackson still defied it, knowing that the Supreme Court did not have the military power to enforce their decisions. Jackson forced the Cherokee Indians out of Georgia and into Oklahoma, leading to the devastating Trail of Tears in which thousands of Native Americans died."

http://scottsconstitutionalhistoryblog.blogspot.com/2012/03/was-andrew-j...

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 20:56 | 4867461 nmewn
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Good thing sedition & rebellion are against "the law" or the law givers could find themselves in great peril ;-)

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 05:11 | 4868234 Frankie Carbone
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That's why we have things like drug laws, because laws are often so effective that the mere invocation of the law has been known to vaporize drug gangs and cartels. 

 

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 06:20 | 4868290 nmewn
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lol...plus one, yeah, I have never used a sarc tag and I never intend to ;-)

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 21:51 | 4867587 scraping_by
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Actually, he was following the Constitution literally. There's nothing in the Supreme Court clause that gives them the power to overturn properly enacted legislation or executive orders. That was a power they arrogated themselves on the pretext of being the defenders of the constitution.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marbury_v._Madison

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 22:19 | 4867663 Seize Mars
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Very important point.

I'd give you a handjob if I could.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 14:50 | 4870523 FeralSerf
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The President was NOT given the power to legislate (via executive orders) by The Constitution.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 20:57 | 4867464 TheReplacement
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Playing devil's advocate:  You and other Americans were free the entire time to defend yourselves and your liberty.  Maybe you voted and maybe you didn't.  Either way you paid your taxes and signed on the line and went along to get along.  Until that stops there should be no stones thrown.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 20:37 | 4867420 FeralSerf
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Grover Cleveland.

Carter was uncharacteristically honest with the American people. Carter didn't lie like most of the others in 20th Century. He was pretty faithful for a politician too.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 20:58 | 4867468 TheReplacement
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Honest plus inept does not equal good.  The road to hell is paved with good intentions. 

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 20:04 | 4867341 CH1
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They threw out the last president that had the courage to be honest with the American people.

You are mistaken. Jefferson was never impeached.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 20:08 | 4867353 Flakmeister
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You seem not to grasp the fact that the US changed forever when the SCOTUS ruled by fiat in Santa Clara v. Southern Pacific...

The founding fathers would have been mortified...

Well they were already all dead, how about rolling in their graves...

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 20:38 | 4867425 Pants McPants
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Are these the same 'founding fathers' who applauded the Boston Tea Party before sending troops to quell the Whiskey Rebellion?

Morality is tough.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 22:00 | 4867603 Real Estate Geek
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Flawed men indeed.  But they created the world's best political system, albeit flawed, at the real risk of their lives and fortunes.  Would that we had the courage to address the flaws and those who have taken advantage.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 06:28 | 4868299 Pants McPants
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'World's greatest political system' ... compared to what?

The cleanest girl in the whorehouse is still a whore; not sure I follow your thinking.

If I understand your thinking correctly your statement makes sense only if one believes we obtain our rights/freedom from goverment, which is exactly what .gov wants you to believe.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 22:15 | 4867641 scraping_by
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Well, not entirely the American people. St. Ronnie was surrounded by a press that spun his rhetorical device of 'never admit, always deny' into 'a sunny, optimistic outlook.' He was the most outrageous blame-shifter to hold the office. And that's what's written into history.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 05:08 | 4868232 dreadnaught
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Reagan....a former B actor....wife used psychics to make decisions, he was worried that 'men from mars' could take over the USA   WHY is he a hero?

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 22:15 | 4867643 scraping_by
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Well, not entirely the American people. St. Ronnie was surrounded by a press that spun his rhetorical device of 'never admit, always deny' into 'a sunny, optimistic outlook.' He was the most outrageous blame-shifter to hold the office. And that's what's written into history.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 19:40 | 4867275 Kirk2NCC1701
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It goes back further than that.  Back to GHW Bush.

His daddy almost went to jail for aiding the Nazis.  Ran the DEA for Central America out of Miami, then headed the CIA, became VP, and President. 

Tight as ticks with the Saudis for many decades.  Put W into the WH, plus Rumsfeld and Cheney to run the show.  Big shot at Carlyle. 

Got his daily copy of the PDB (Presidential Daily Briefing) that the Presiding POTUS gets every morning - since Clinton, Bush Jr and now Obama.

But it's all "W" or all "O", right?  Depending if you buy into the Us/Them, Dems/GOP fake paradigm.  Just like in any Magic show (of Trickery & Deception), the real action is NEVER where you're looking or being induced to look.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 19:44 | 4867290 NOTaREALmerican
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+1.   Human are obsessed with "the man" answer tho.   It's easier to comprehend when all the problems can be blamed on "the man".    Which is why the Red and Blue Team dumbasses are so obsessed with the Presidential elections:  "the man" will fix all the problems.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 20:04 | 4867340 centerline
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of course.  and the "strong man" cometh soon.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 20:09 | 4867355 Flakmeister
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Better get your popcorn while you can...

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 03:37 | 4868173 August
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Amurica listens for hoofbeats, heralding the end of her troubles.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 05:19 | 4868238 Frankie Carbone
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So true. And for those reading these comments here, or still associating yourselves with Red and Blue, let me speak directly to you from the heart. 

I have more respect and admiration for ebola virus and cockroaches than I do for you. Now if you cannot understand, or perceive what utter contempt and disdain is, well, you're reading it in this post. 

Calling you (R)'s and (D)'s useless eaters is an insult to every useless eater that ever walked the Earth. 

You are a fungus that has so infested the body that there is more fungi in this nation than there is living flesh, the later representing the remaining life in this nation that still thinks that their are things worth dying for. 

Hell, you won't even raise a finger to invoke REAL change if it means putting down your iGadget, letting alone foreiting it. 

THAT, is contempt. So now you know what it looks like, dear (R)'s and (D)'s. 

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 05:06 | 4868229 dreadnaught
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yeah, it got me thinking....WHERE did Hitler get all the big bucks to build his huge war machine-that got Germanies economy humming...? The country was only just getting by-if that

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 20:28 | 4867396 I need Another Beer
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Nope, Lincoln first, Obama 2nd, LBJ 3rd

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 21:10 | 4867487 rubiconsolutions
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Based on the current political landscape is there anyone who thinks the next election will reverse the trends? Is there any candidate currently on the "draft list" that will restore rule of law? I would suggest withdrawing consent as much as possible. Start by not voting. 

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 02:24 | 4868107 drendebe10
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runbenrun.org

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 02:23 | 4868104 drendebe10
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Two rotten peas in a pod and both dumber than a box of dried up cat turds. 

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 02:52 | 4868126 mrmister
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Two men who loved drugs, are masons, and backed by banks. And one of them has less personal identification than you have to have to get a P.O. Box.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 19:26 | 4867233 order66
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Lemme guess...

You're a "glass half empty" guy.

 

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 19:30 | 4867244 BKbroiler
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It's a "glass half empty" kinda site.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 19:37 | 4867269 d edwards
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It's a glass half full of emptiness. :)

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 19:43 | 4867287 deflator
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 The glass is always full--half water, half air.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 19:55 | 4867313 Itch
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The glass can never be full... dichotomy paradox. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zenos_paradoxes

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 20:26 | 4867391 deflator
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 If I am putting something in the glass it is half full. If I am pouring something out of the glass it is half empty.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 20:05 | 4867342 centerline
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The glass is twice as big as it needs to be.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 20:51 | 4867446 fencejumper
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"The glass is always full--half water, half air."

 

So, what about the beer?

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 19:55 | 4867321 Bennie Noakes
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It's a "glass half empty" kinda site.

It's a "glass was stolen by the Fed and replaced with a leaky paper cup" kinda site.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 20:07 | 4867347 Ralph Spoilsport
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Always a dumb argument. The problem has always been specifying the wrong size glass and then bitching that it's too large or too small.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 21:37 | 4867547 scraping_by
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Or not seeing that a glass should always have a generous reserve for future needs.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 19:38 | 4867239 Ignatius
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"Of the dozens of books published on the abuses of executive power and the uncontrolled expansion of the National Security State, here are two worthy starting points..."

How about The New Pearl Harbor by David Ray Griffin or any number of other books on the 9/11 fraud?

9/11 was a Gladio type 'strategy of tension' act carried out by the elites and perpetrated on the masses.  The phony 'war on terror' is the control mechanism which allows ObummerCare, TPP and Monsanto's food privatization plans -- and many other abominations -- to move forward.  The fantom threat of 'foreign terror' is inverted to mean a clamp down on us, the domestic populace.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 20:19 | 4867378 Ralph Spoilsport
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Sandy Hook Elementary appears to have been staged as an audit on how well their control mechanism is working. Also served to see if the time was right to begin clamping down on 2nd amendment rights. I don't think "they" were entirely pleased with the results of the experiment. The experiments continue.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 08:45 | 4868568 Flakmeister
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\facepalm....

Do you believe in any random nonsense made up?

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 05:23 | 4868242 Frankie Carbone
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Day of Deceit should be on the list of MUST READS. This crap started long before WWII ever happened. Full of photocopies of declassified documents, it shows how FDR pied-pipered the public right into the meat grinder of WWII and our parents and grandparents NEVER SAW IT COMING and went to their graves not knowing what really happened. 

This shit ain't something new. It's the oldest playbook in human history and it works everytime it is tried. 

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 19:31 | 4867247 Surging Chaos
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Sorry Charles, but Lincoln has both W and Barry beat by a longshot when it comes to the most destructive presidency.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 19:36 | 4867264 PenguinMan
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What history book are you reading from?

No way did Lincoln have the firepower of carrier groups to launch military intervention on 2 continents and 5 countries and counting.

 

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 19:44 | 4867292 Surging Chaos
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You're right, Lincoln didn't have that kind of firepower in his day, but he acted like a dictator at home. Habeas corpus suspension, media censorship, jailing of dissidents, you name it, he did it.

I mean shit, Lincoln once deported a Congressman. I literally never learned about that in my years at .gov schools until a few years ago. (Hmm, I wonder why? /s)

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 20:13 | 4867364 Overfed
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Let's not leave out Wilson, FDR, or Johnson. All three did far more damage than Shrub or O'bomb-a. It's just taking longer to come home to roost.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 20:56 | 4867451 KickIce
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All three certainly deserve mention, but what about Reagan?  While I believe he certainly thought that he was doing the world a favor with the collapse of Soviet Union, the oligarchs used it to transform us into an empire.

 

Last chance was Kennedy or maybe even Perot.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 07:16 | 4868351 RaceToTheBottom
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Plus Reagan legitimized a method of funding that would free up the GW and the Obama to do their damage.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 10:02 | 4868917 KickIce
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IMO, we've been living an illusion ever since abandoning the gold standard.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 20:26 | 4867392 disabledvet
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There was nothing left to destroy once Lincoln was done. "Presidencies" didn't matter too much after Lincoln for a LONG time.

The USA wouldn't fight another war until 1898...40 plus years later..."against Cuba."

And then after that nothing until 1917-1918...in which the American military aspects relative to all other parties involved were trivial.

It wasn't until FDR that you had the Presidency itself become an institution...the "Imperial Presidency" as it was called under Nixon...something Lincoln couldn't possibly imagine if he were to see it today.

I mean we're full on "your ass is grass" at this point now.
My personal view is that the institution of the Presidency itself is now running the show.

This is the problem with "chaos theory." The institution itself will provide "the order" thus leaving the occupant simply "signing off on everything." A "cipher to history" as it were with "events conspiring" not some "cabal" or "historical paradigm."

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 20:59 | 4867466 FeralSerf
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After Lincoln, the nation gradually returned to being a constitutional republican democracy. Only about 20 years later, the tyranny of Lincoln's reign had mostly disappeared.

Since the 9/11 terror attacks by the Bush-Cheney administration, the country has steadily gone into the dictatorial shitter. There has been absolutely no turning back. Every year is worse than the year before. This was not the case in any other presidential administration, including the awful Lincoln one.

Jeb Bush in 2016? That's got to be the worst fucking joke I've ever heard.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 22:08 | 4867629 scraping_by
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Lincoln's tyranny was pretty standard for a government dealing with an armed rebellion. The slander that he provoked the Civil War ignores the efforts of the slaveholding aristocracy the prervious decades. But Southerners are still stuck in the 1800's.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 20:44 | 4867435 kchrisc
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"Honest Abe."

"Honest" is also another word for loyalty.

So "Loyal Abe." Loyal to whom?!

The corporations he whored for as their lawyer.

So now we have "Loyal Fascist Abe."

 

"The real fun is when you learn that Abe was also a practicing racist. Not in the watered down "where's my check" way of today, but an honest and goodness racist."

http://www.dailypaul.com/100173/abe-lincoln-racist-the-lincoln-douglas-d...

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 19:38 | 4867272 booboo
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Yes, Lincoln, started a civil war at the behest of bankers, I mean its one thing to invade another country for the bastards but to destroy the productive capacity of the south, rape and pillage.....these two ass clowns have a way to go to unseat that tyrant.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 21:00 | 4867475 KickIce
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He went behind the Rothschilds and printed his own money, how can you say he was beholden to the banks?

 

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 22:14 | 4867595 earleflorida
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thankyou KickIce,

Bush #41 & #43, Obi1#44, Clinton #42, Ronnie (the acting president) #40 were all pieces of SHIT!!!

You'd think it would have all been cleaned-up after Nixon, but asshole Ford says the country must heal and move on, period! Unfuckingbelievable... un, un, un... believe it!

As far as Lincoln,... he was a corporate lawyer, but cared 110% moar for his beloved country, and gave his life. Remember, he was brought up in extreme poverty and self taught himself. He never was accused of malfeasance, avarice or nafarious deeds. Those comparing Obi1 to Lincoln are fucking idiots of the MSM like!

Here's a list of sites to judge Mr. Lincoln's performance, and to what extent he would go to, too preserve the Republic of the United States:

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_blockade        (England and France were neutral during the Civil War but both countries supported both sides, especially the fucking lime'y's and Rothschild's since the 1812 war, who were 100% for the confederate to destroy America once and for all,... it was the British that killed Lincoln-- the same ilk that tried several times to assasinate/murder Andrew Jackson)   

'Czar Alexander II of Russia pledges support for the Union: From Russia with Love'        http://www.reformation.org/czar-alexander.html          

'Lincoln's National Bank Law v. Dual Banking System'?              http://www.gilderlehrman.org/history-by-era/economics/essays/us-banking-system-origin-development-and-regulation           (note: show full essay or google site)

 'Abraham Lincoln's, `Bank War'              http://members.tripod.com/~american_almanac/lincoln3.htm  

'National Bank Act as Amended, the Federal Reserve Act and Other Laws Relating to Nat'l Banks'      February 1920          http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/publication-series/?id=432

as for the rest of the comments regarding Lincoln... I suggest picking up a book and read, read, read, some moar,...

 

 

 

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 22:36 | 4867717 KickIce
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Yeah, never understood the majority of the ZH crowd re Lincoln.  Most will stand in line to kiss Andrew Jackson's ass and some Kennedy for standing up to the banks but will never miss a chance to stomp on Lincoln's throat for doing the same.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 23:39 | 4867887 stormsailor
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andrew jackson would kick your ass for talking about him

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 00:00 | 4867924 KickIce
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I like Jackson and Kennedy.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 20:26 | 4867394 Pants McPants
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Agreed.  Only FDR was worse than Lincoln.  My 'bottom' five, from worst to not as worst:

1. FDR

2. Lincoln

3. Wilson

4. Johnson

5. Teddy Roosevelt

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 20:59 | 4867470 kchrisc
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Lincoln and Wilson are, in my book, the worst.

Johnson has a bit of an ironic twist in that he sold his soul and the presidency to be president and was the most miserable president ever.

As a result of the coup that he may or may not have had a hand in, he had to follow JFK's domestic policy (steal and enslave) to placate the masses and allow the MIC and banksters to take off with foreign and economic policy (murder and theft).

I have not sympathies for him, but he was a right miserable fuck while in office.

 

Note: I have read the three volume biog on him by Robert Caro and the first is the most enlightening, as one can see how a true born sociopath behaves. While his parents and sibling were starving, he would buy clothes for himself and go to movies, etc. Real scumbag.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 21:45 | 4867573 KickIce
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I have a tough time leaving out Clinton with NAFTA, the CRA and gutting Glass-Stegall.  He pretty much turned the banks lose.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 22:21 | 4867676 earleflorida
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There's an awful lot of fucking 'Tart'd' history professors on ZH tonight!

What do you actually think of the authors original thesis (POV)?

thanks

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 22:27 | 4867696 KickIce
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I despise both Bush and Obama but they are just putting in the last few nails of an already closed coffin.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 00:14 | 4867953 kchrisc
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He was also a CIA stooge and manchurian candidate as well. He was operating for and friends with Bush Sr. DURING Iran Contra.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 19:35 | 4867257 NOTaREALmerican
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Oh, come on.   Who can resist spending other people's money,  handing out other people's money, and creating money from nothing?

The only thing better than spending other people's money is free money.   The American people demanded it,   and the politicians provided it.   Democracy works.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 19:45 | 4867296 PenguinMan
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Since 1994 it has been all the "Bankers Men".

No way do we have the tax base to fund our Military. Furthermore, I think it is obvious the Federal Reserve simply prints it to pay the bills.

I think there was an article posted recently that we took in 2 Trillion, record taxes.

That doesn't even pay for the Military operating costs for this year.

Has anyone looked at the estimates in deploying the F35 to replace most of our planes?

I am trying to find the article on that, but I seem to remember reading that if the F35 program is finalized and is deployed, it would cost 2 Trillion a year to keep the planes in operational combat mode in our currrent active theatre's of war.

That IS if they can ever finish the plane!

Meanwhile, Powwer, Roads, Bridges, Damns, Fresh water and other infrastructure projects go unchecked.

When all of this comes crashing down the bankers better have Jets on standby to leave the country because there are too many people that know what is going on for them to say "Well, it was bad weather, that is why the economy crashed or is doing poorly."

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 19:36 | 4867266 Jerome Lester H...
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Well written article.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 19:38 | 4867270 1stepcloser
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who elected these fuckers...I blame them!   

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lyEQD-DgyE

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 21:14 | 4867497 fencejumper
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No, you should blame those who gave the electorate such bad choices.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 03:48 | 4868179 monad
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You did not. The foreign enemies of the idea of sovereign citizens did.

It has nothing to do with a 'collective'. Its all about me living my life, free, or dying in the poorly designed, politicized, computer process to which I will not ever conform.

Wake up. Wake up. Wake up

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 19:38 | 4867271 Jack Burton
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I'm glad ZH made this post. I have said a number of times pretty much the same thing. I have no time for the Bush supporters. Facts that are well known exist to prove what Mr. Bush did and what he left behind when he walked out of the White House. Who can forget! Financial crisis, job losses and wars. In step our fake hope and change. I have no time for Obama supporters. Obama, as planned before hand, kept the Bush financial team, diplomatic team and defense leaders in place. A smooth transition form one wing of the party to the other wing of the party. One party state. Military Industrial Spy Complex/ Banking Cabal/ Israeli Support Complex AIPAC. They are one party with two wings, they sell us elections as a hoax. No change, no hope. Elites print money and give it to temsleves at zirp and them manipulate all markets. War mongers do their evil deeds under the same plan. No change is coming. No hope is coming. The power elites are firmly in control. Only fools buy into the Republican versus Democat hoax. Wake up! They are two wings of the same party. Minor social issues should not be what drives your thoughts at this point in time.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 19:49 | 4867306 Goldilocks
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What's an Obama?...

~//~

null and Void (law)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Void_%28law%29
 
In law, void means of no legal effect. An action, document or transaction which is void is of no legal effect whatsoever: an absolute nullity — the law treats it as if it had never existed or happened.

The term void ab initio, which means "to be treated as invalid from the outset," comes from adding the Latin phrase ab initio (from the beginning) as a qualifier. For example, in many jurisdictions where a person signs a contract under duress, that contract is treated as being void ab initio.

Black's Law Dictionary defines "void" as:[1]

    Void. Null; ineffectual; nugatory; having no legal force or binding effect; unable, in law, to support the purpose for which it was intended.

The dictionary further goes on to define void ab initio as:[citation needed]

    Void ab initio. A contract is null from the beginning if it seriously offends law or public policy in contrast to a contract which is merely voidable at the election of one of the parties to the contract.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 19:59 | 4867327 centerline
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+1 G.

 

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 20:37 | 4867422 kchrisc
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"What's an Obama?..."

The visible top treasonous puppet of the DC US and also a CIA manchurian candidate and son of Frank Marshall Davis who snapped photos of Obama's momma in the nude in between knocking her up.

What’d I win?

 

"My guillotine cuts puppet strings."

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 10:24 | 4868931 monad
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The reason I'm not just posting as monad is because I have grown a tail. See my tail? I spent my first years on Earth in an orphanage. I witnessed priests trading the lovely children for sex favors; I witnessed it personally, Then I discovered that pedophiles were not unique to preying on orphans, nor gender biased.

I was a journeyman machinist when I was 10. I went to Nam as a child soldier, as counter intel. I was expendable. I did not die. Ya do it here too. I'm the secret army, not collecting bennies. Ya know what? I will do it all again, to serve my peeps.

I AM THE BEST

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 20:12 | 4867349 khakuda
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Yup, It's about time people started speaking the truth. These last two presidents have been unbelievably destructive to the rule of law. Most people don't understand that the entire system democracy, capitalism, all of it depends on rule of law.

Going beyond Democrats and Republicans, to me the biggest problem is actually the Federal Reserve as they control the purse strings. A handful of academics with no real world work experience are allowed to print money and buy whatever they want for as long as they want. Think about that - exchanging basically counterfeit paper for real assets. Some even speak of buying equities. Great, then the government can own the means of production - we call that socialism. They can set interest rates at any level they would like for as long as they would like. They can tell us they are going to raise rates when unemployment and inflation hit certain levels, then fail to follow through when their benchmarks are met with no consequence. Then, they can change their benchmarks.

Shame on George Bush for getting the US into an unwinnable war in Iraq, killing and injuring thousands and wasting trillions of dollars the country does not have.

Finally, on the left side, shame in particular on many of my intelligent Jewish friends, many self proclaimed liberals, who sit idly by listening to and supporting the media and politicians, in their effort to take more power, vilify and scapegoat the successful. Where is your appreciation of history? Are these not the very same tactics were used to divide, conquer and justify one of the most horrific episodes of human genocide ever?

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 20:47 | 4867442 max2205
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We're all on our own...good luck

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 21:19 | 4867507 fencejumper
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Very, very, very well said, JB - entire comment!

 

But especially: "The power elites are firmly in control. Only fools buy into the Republican versus Democat hoax. Wake up! They are two wings of the same party."

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 04:59 | 4868225 dreadnaught
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The fact that Bush/Cheney both knowingly murdered 5000 or more of our troops, killed a million Iraq innocents, and spent a Trillion dollars of OUR money. They should recieve THE penalty for HIGH TREASON...And Obama....he is following in their footsteps pretty much

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 19:38 | 4867273 Saratoga
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Sorry, but WOODROW WILSON easily takes the cake. He gave you the Federal Reserve and income taxes.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 19:41 | 4867283 Ignatius
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With so many douchebags to choose from it's hard to pick just one.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 19:39 | 4867278 Goldilocks
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Bush: "Mission Accomplished" -- REAL Speech
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzrJwzYBUkU (2:03)

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 20:35 | 4867418 disabledvet
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if you love an live for war and Executive Power "best speech ever."

We here are not that way...we want truth and justice...gotta respect the man tho.

Can't just play pretend that he's not there.

For me it's a question of "timelines"...not in the past but the future..."how are you gonna play this out" as "you are part of the War Game."

If actually in that position you find it hard for "you" to be "yourself" as this is an unknowable thing.

Soon..."people are putting words in your mouth" and "you are talking about the meaning of things."

The next thing you know you not only are doing the opposite of what you say...but in fact you ARE the opposite of what you say.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAk2AXThzvU
"greatest war song in history."

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 19:46 | 4867299 Kirk2NCC1701
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Some TV channel ran a program on Bush Sr a few days ago... very good PR stuff about his brains, humanity and decency.

Total staging for Jeb in 2016.

In fact, when Hillary became Obama's SOS, I called it immediately:  "Martha, watch Hillary and Jeb go at it in 2016.  Not in 2012, in 2016.  They'll need that much time to rehab the Bush name, thanks to Dubya".

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 20:02 | 4867335 centerline
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If Hillary wins in 2016, especially with Jeb, it will be waaaaaaaaaay too obvious we are full blown banana republic.

Of course, I rank it as entirely plausible.  lol.  (the election that is...  pass the bananas please).

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 04:54 | 4868223 dreadnaught
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EITHER way we lose and lose BIG   both are big government/Corporate socailists

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 19:46 | 4867300 Yen Cross
Tue, 06/17/2014 - 19:51 | 4867309 messystateofaffairs
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The Poisonous Pair

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 19:53 | 4867316 The Fonz...befo...
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ObaMA. BUSh

Nostradamus called it..third antichrist MABUS

Jeb..forget it..the world won't tolerate another Bush in the White House...no matter how much smarter we say this one is...

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 19:55 | 4867320 Son of Captain Nemo
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What a wonderful snapshot of the two of them together "brother-to-brother"...  Time to bring the story of Barbara's only "love child" out of the closet once and for all.

They both have Barbara's eyes...  And brains!

Perhaps "Barack" was what was in the jar going to the hospital that he mentions in his memoirs as one of the most traumatic experiences between mother and son, besides the other one about his father which came later!...

 

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 09:49 | 4868874 Son of Captain Nemo
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Didn't realize their were still so many die hard Bush and Obama fans out there...

PS

My bad when I both said they had Bab Bush's "eyes", what I meant to say is that they have her "nostrils", along with the brains...

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 19:57 | 4867323 Seasmoke
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Eddie Vedder hated George Bush. Kudos to him. I have yet to hear him say one negative word about Obama. I guess he is Just another fool. 

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 20:23 | 4867383 GrinandBearit
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Anyone that believes in the left/right paradigm or ANY of these NWO puppets are fools.

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