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This Is Not Going As Planned: Iraq Prime Minister Defies US, Accuses Saudi Arabia Of "Genocide"

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Shortly after the US revealed that, in addition to aircraft carriers and amphibious assault ships it was also sending a few hundred "special forces" on the ground in Iraq, contrary to what Obama had stated previously, Washington made quite clear it wants Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki to embrace Sunni politicians as a condition of U.S. support to fight a lightning advance by forces from the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant. Then something unexpected happened: Iraq's Shi'ite rulers defied Western calls on Tuesday to reach out to Sunnis to defuse the uprising in the north of the country, declaring a boycott of Iraq's main Sunni political bloc and accusing Sunni power Saudi Arabia of promoting "genocide."

In fact, as Reuters reported moments ago, the Shi'ite prime minister has moved in the opposite direction of Obama's demands, announcing a crackdown on politicians and officers he considers "traitors" and lashing out at neighbouring Sunni countries for stoking militancy.

Not only did Iraq defy the US, but it also called out America's BFF (or at least formerly so until the arrival of Iran, which the US is aggressively, and inexplicably, rushing to make its new key partner in the region) for being the real aggressor behind the scenes? How dare Maliki point out the truth - doesn't he know that those US troops in Iraq can just as easily be used to depose the current regime as "fight" the Al Qaeda Jihadists the US itself armed in the first place?

Apparently not, and instead of seeking a broad coalition with Sunnis as the US ordered, the latest target of his government's fury was Saudi Arabia, the main Sunni power in the Gulf, which funds Sunni militants in neighbouring Syria but denies it is behind ISIL.

"We hold them responsible for supporting these groups financially and morally, and for the outcome of that - which includes crimes that may qualify as genocide: the spilling of Iraqi blood, the destruction of Iraqi state institutions and historic and religious sites," the Iraqi government said of Riyadh in a statement.

As Reuters notes, Maliki has blamed Saudi Arabia for supporting militants in the past, but the severe language was unprecedented.

And just to show it won't take being exposed for the whole world to see sitting down, on Monday Riyadh blamed sectarianism in Baghdad for fueling the violence.

The rest of the story is largely known: Iraq is slowly sinking into sectarian violence which is exposing age-old rifts, and even forcing leaders to speak out of place, in the process revealing very undiplomatic truths:

ISIL fighters who aim to build a Caliphate based on mediaeval Sunni precepts across the Iraqi-Syrian frontier launched their revolt by seizing the north's main city, Mosul, last week and swept through the Tigris valley towards Baghdad. The fighters, who consider all Shi'ites to be heretics deserving death, pride themselves on their brutality and have boasted of massacring hundreds of troops who surrendered.

 

Most Iraqi Sunnis abhor such violence, but nevertheless the ISIL-led uprising has been joined by other Sunni factions, including former members of ousted dictator Saddam Hussein's Baath Party and tribal figures, who share widespread anger at perceived oppression by Maliki's government.

 

Western countries, including the United States, have urged Maliki to reach out to Sunnis to rebuild national unity as the only way of preventing the disintegration of Iraq.

 

"There is a real risk of further sectarian violence on a massive scale, within Iraq and beyond its borders," U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon said on Tuesday. "I have been urging Iraqi government leaders including Prime Minister al-Maliki to reach out for an inclusive dialogue and solution of this issue."

 

But the long-serving prime minister, who won an election two months ago, seems instead to be relying more heavily than ever on his own sect, who form the majority in Iraq. Hassan Suneid, a close Maliki ally, said on Tuesday the governing Shi'ite National Alliance should boycott all work with the largest Sunni political bloc, Mutahidoon.

In the meantime, until the solution to Iraq violence is found, alliances in the mid-east are changing at a ferocious pace and pitting such one time enemies as Saudi Arabia and Iran (not to mention the US) on the same side, forced to fight an extremist Jihadist movement that the US itself was funding. "Iran, the leading Shi'ite power, has close ties to Maliki and the Shi'ite parties that have held power in Baghdad since U.S. forces toppled Saddam Hussein in 2003. But although both Washington and Tehran are close allies of Baghdad, they have not cooperated in the past."

Domestically, the chaos is just as bad, if not worse:

Tens of thousands of Shi'ites have rallied at volunteer centres in recent days, answering a call by the top Shi'ite cleric to defend the nation. Many recruits have gone off to train at Iraqi military bases.

 

But with the million-strong regular army abandoning ground despite being armed and trained by the United States at a cost of $25 billion, the government is increasingly relying on extra-legal Shi'ite militia to fight on its behalf, re-establishing groups that fought during the 2006-2007 bloodletting.

 

According to one Shi'ite Islamist working in the government, well-trained fighters from the Shi'ite organisations Asaib Ahl Haq, Khetaeb Hezbollah and the Badr Organisation are now being deployed as the main combat force, while new civilian volunteers will be used to hold ground after it is taken.

 

The Sunni militants have moved at lightning speed since seizing Mosul last Tuesday, slicing through northern and central Iraq, capturing the towns of Hawija and Tikrit in the north before facing resistance in southern Salahuddin province, where there is a large Shi’ite population.

 

The battle lines are now formalising, with the insurgents held at bay about an hour's drive north of Baghdad and just on the capital's outskirts to the west.

Meanwhile to the north, as we reported previously, the town of Kirkuk has been taken by forces from the autonomous Kurdish region. In a further sign of ethnic and sectarian polarisation, Maliki allies have accused the Kurds of colluding with Sunnis to dislodge government forces in the north.

That, however, is hardly the case, at least for now. As Fox reports, ISIS is so far mostly bent on taking their march south toward Baghdad, and not into the autonomous zone of Kurdistan, where hardened fighters are prepared to defend their oil-rich turf. This northern front is one of the few places where ISIS have encountered resistance -- for unlike the Iraqi Army, the cohesive Kurdish force has held them back.

The Kurds, of course, were lucky to seize the long-disputed oil rich lands in the north - they did so with the help of ISIS whose arrival promptly scattered the Iraq army.

Whatever the reason, the army here fled --  and into the vacuum came the Peshmerga -- the Kurdish Army that has for decades been fighting for freedom in this mountainous land, and who are now taking advantage of the chaos below them.

 

Today on the front lines in Kirkuk, Kurdish forces were digging in, excavating trenches and building defenses. This is becoming a permanent boundary.

 

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As to the question of whether these impressive Peshmerga troops might help reclaim Mosul, Nechervan Idris Barzani, the prime minister of Iraqi Kurdistan, was clear. Until a political solution is embarked upon, they will not help. To do so would be foolish without the support of other Sunni tribes in the area.

Perhaps the best summary of all the unfolding confusion comes from the following just released update chart from the Institute for the Study of War.

But where it would get most messy - literally - is if as the previously reported shuttering of Iraq's largest refinery leads to electricity blackouts for Baghdad. Because nothing gets people in a murderous rage quite as 115 degrees and no air conditioning.

 

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Tue, 06/17/2014 - 16:57 | 4866708 Flakmeister
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Kill them all and let god sort it out....

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 17:00 | 4866718 falak pema
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Paris August 24 1572; the Saint Barthelmy.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 17:00 | 4866723 magpie
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Cathar Crusades

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 17:04 | 4866745 falak pema
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Repeat of; that was Beziers 1209...But the french like to do things twice just to make it more french. This second time it was protestants against cathos; St Barthelemy made the Louvre look like Jerusalem 1099 during 1st Crusade. 

Hey, that makes it three! 

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 17:08 | 4866761 THX 1178
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Complex systems always have a way of breaking free from the clutches of those who seek to control them. This has been the case for 6,000+ years and it is no different this time. 

One of my favorite scenes from Titanic is the part where the crew (leadership) have lost control of the people and anarchy emerges and there is this one guy who keeps saying "sir, you cant go in there! Sir, you cant go in there!" as people run furiously past him paying no attention. This is how things will happen during our collapse too.

The cops seem tough now, what with their militarized machinery, but when the collaspe happens they will leave their posts and protect their families. Chaos is on the march, and it will not be long now.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 17:16 | 4866784 Gaius Frakkin' ...
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"Complex systems always have a way of breaking free from the clutches of those who seek to control them."

That is why decentralization is the best weapon against tyranny.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 17:20 | 4866797 NOTaREALmerican
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And why the smart-n-savvy people insist on centralizing.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 17:26 | 4866823 Flakmeister
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Which is also why Libtards astound me when they support nukes and coal fired plants while bad mouthing solar....

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 17:31 | 4866839 eatthebanksters
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This is how a shitstorm turns nt WWlll...holy fuck!

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 17:35 | 4866861 Whatchamacallit
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We are already in WWIII.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 17:36 | 4866864 McMolotov
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I can't help but notice we're coming up on the hundred year anniversary of the start of WWI (July 28) just as everything seems to be going to hell all at once. I keep waiting for some schmuck to get Franz Ferdinand'd and really set off the big shitstorm.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 17:53 | 4866933 Citxmech
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Who has the will/ capability to significantly disrupt Saudi oil production?  

That would certainly do it. 

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 18:00 | 4866969 SWRichmond
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Didn't Bandar say recently he was pissed off at somebody?

Just saying...

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 18:13 | 4867015 Citxmech
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The dangerous thing about these groups we're training/arming is that they have very little to lose, they're next to impossible to keep on a short leash - and have no desire for Western conveiniences.

If you're goal is to self-govern a religious state at about a 14th century level of technology - you will have little reason not to shut down or destroy infrastructure as a means to your end.  

 

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 18:19 | 4867034 MeMadMax
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Yea, well, I can understand the whole iraqi banning of sunni's thing because it's no secret that the sunni's are the ones causing everything from the "spring" to lybia, syria, and now iraq.

 

Let the games begin. 

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 18:26 | 4867061 Patriot Eke
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Storm Clouds Gathering has put out an excellent summary of what's happening and why:

http://youtu.be/ey9tExYbjm8

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 18:55 | 4867141 Four chan
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so our manchurian president couldnt pawn his terrorist friends off to assad now he is telling maliki to take them in. barack has some big stupid balls.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 19:11 | 4867186 old naughty
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"Complex system..."

nothin' simple.

Beware of the other (invincible) hand stirring,

just saying...

Or, the iranians got to him, simple enuff?

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 19:34 | 4867256 Manthong
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 Oh, F me in the butt like an Arabian faggot.

Western powers have screwed, blued and tattooed that space because of their lubricants.

GTF out of there.   (and Ukraine).

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 19:46 | 4867284 Manthong
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And BTW ..

In a few weeks the big story will be back to the Chicom threat to stability in the South China Sea.

.. but the central bankers will come to an accommodation after the big scare.

..and since the "Administration"  is way over ther heads in Ukraine they (and their mindless mainstream media) will divert attention elsewhere. 

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 20:55 | 4867459 sushi
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We should invade Labia and have done with it.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 22:55 | 4867762 MontgomeryScott
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Didn't that already happen? Oh, wait...

How about THIS headlie from the Onion?

Yesterday, a billboard with Saddam Hussein's picture was erected in Bagdhad, with the caption 'Miss Me Yet?'.

The Crawford, Texas city council was unavaiable for comment. When GWB was asked his reaction, he simply said, 'HOW DARE YOU?' as Dick Cheney beckoned him in to the waiting limousine. They then rushed off to a private meeting with the Saudi Bin Laden construstion group, and it is rumored that they are negotiating another 'no-bid' contract to construct a new embassy; not in Bagdhad, but some other middle-eastern nation. Several sites have been proposed, including Tripoli, but Cheney/Bush has yet to comment. When asked directly, President Obama was heard to say, "Um, uh, uh, um, um...".

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 03:58 | 4868183 Manthong
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Labia invasion..

sounds good to me.

 

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 04:38 | 4868211 Manthong
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Flak.. "Kill them all and let god sort it out..."

Um God (capital G)

it V. them (evil bastards).

Outside of the context and grammar stuff, I heartilily agree. 

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 04:50 | 4868218 Manthong
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Oh, and gee..

seems like there are Faggots out there that do not like being called out.

WTF.. you'all have drivel on you tongue or what?

 

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 06:49 | 4868224 Manthong
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crap..

 I was listening to oldes FM..

Dire Straits was played, but each time FAGGOT came up it was muted to zilch.

We are so (muted) F'd.

"the little faggot 's got his own jet airplane, the little faggot is a mlllionaire."

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 18:21 | 4867041 scraping_by
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That's still following the 'rogue actors' story line. AQ has been under Saudi control from the beginning, and there's no reason to think anything's different now.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 19:29 | 4867105 Citxmech
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We'll see I guess.  If SA experiences no infrastructure attacks in the next few months/years - you may be right.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 01:07 | 4868015 7.62x54r
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AQ has always been funded by the Saudis.

Although, after taking Mosul, they may no longer need funds. This scorpion may yet sting the Saudi frog.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 18:45 | 4867111 Poundsand
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The Saud's have gone rogue.  And wouldn't you if you had a bunch of crazy zealots with no way to control them?  You bet, send them to neighboring countrys and turn them loose.  All in the name of god of course.  This won't end for years to come.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 21:50 | 4867581 Citxmech
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Personally, I think their society might be in the process of fracturing as we speak.  Like in China, negative news is hard to come by - but that might have more to do with the propaganda machine than reality.  

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 17:53 | 4866934 Christophe2
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I think the US' plans to spread chaos and force change is NOT working out as desired, at all:

http://presstv.com/detail/2014/06/17/367415/over-2mn-iraqis-join-battle-...

People throughout the Middle East have become very familiar with the truth of the West's terrorists in Syria (and Libya, etc.) and they all know they need to fight it in order to be able to survive.

TWO MILLION volunteers is certainly enough to squash the measly forces Saudi Arabia and the US have managed to bring together, hence Iraq is not going to let the US pressure it into anything.

I'll bet there are lots of Sunnis in that bunch of volunteers, as they understand just as easily as the Christians and Shiites that ISIL seeks to abuse them all and wreck absolutely everything.  The so-called sectarianism is mostly just media fabrication, Western-orchestrated terrorism and BS from corrupt politicians.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 18:00 | 4866968 kliguy38
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Oh, I don't know about that......seems pretty chaotic to me... :-)

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 18:11 | 4867007 Christophe2
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They achieved chaos, but not the change they wanted!  In fact, the changes and reactions are mostly resulting in even greater loss of power and influence for Zionist Amerika...

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 00:00 | 4867929 Keyser
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Wait until Act II, when ISIS brings the road show to the US... 

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 00:40 | 4867987 TBT or not TBT
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They've got loads of cash and loads of fighters with western passports. 

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 05:30 | 4868252 new game
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i would suggest they are already here! you won't know until they strike terror close to home. tic toc...

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 20:07 | 4867346 dag
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He's playing golf.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 17:27 | 4866821 BlindMonkey
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Can I get an AMEN!!

 

 

A friend sent me an old Polish proverb that fits.  "Not my circus.  Not my monkeys."

 

Lets blow everything in place at the embassy and evacuate and never go back.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 18:31 | 4867073 walküre
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We can always drop the sanctions against Iran and make up for the shortall from Iraqi oil or so....

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 20:42 | 4867430 BobPaulson
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Absolutely possible and consistent with US short term realpolotik tradition. Remember, double crossing your allies to make new enemies is just a way to generate business for the arms industry.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 18:31 | 4867076 Wahooo
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I'll give that a HELL YEAH!

The circus monkey saying applies to much in life.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 18:48 | 4867118 Anusocracy
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Democracy is the art and science of running the circus from the monkey cage.

H. L. Mencken

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 18:59 | 4867154 Four chan
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damn that mencken had his act together.  

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 22:17 | 4867652 Never One Roach
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The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.

 

~ H. L. Mencken

 

 

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 01:10 | 4868018 7.62x54r
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Might be the best course. Leave, and announce any repetition of 9-11 will be answered with the nuclear destruction of Dar Al Islam.

Of course, Obama is too much of a poltroon to do any such thing.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 05:48 | 4868270 Reptil
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Monkeys?
Monkeywrench?

The ISIS is allowed to hold a protest march in The Hague, Netherlands.
http://nos.nl/artikel/662637-den-haag-staat-isisbetoging-toe.html

Freedom of speech.. sure, but the goal is obviously CHAOS in Europe.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 17:33 | 4866854 Whatchamacallit
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So true. I hope entropy accelerates.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 20:09 | 4867352 SDShack
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"Complex systems always have a way of breaking free from the clutches of those who seek to control them."

Today's physics lesson is.... Entropy.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 17:39 | 4866846 Harbanger
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@ THX1178   It's not a fair comparison.  One is the reaction of cops to an invading Army and shift in power.  Our situation is a state sponsored financial collapse where everyone may be starving but the states enforcement of power remains intact.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 18:54 | 4867139 Meat Hammer
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until it doesn't

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 21:20 | 4867512 IndyPat
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Hummmm...let's see.
Should I, Johnny Law, protect someone else's family from the Free Shit Army or my own family?
And why hasn't my paycheck auto deposited?
And is my pension safe?

I think you get the idea.

Think it through....

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 21:58 | 4867605 Harbanger
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Here's the point you're missing.  Johnny law will be fed well, the gov didn't collapse, the FSA will rob what they can and stand in line for food after a financial collapse.  Hungry people that have become so dependent on the state will not fight the state, they will fight each other.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 22:02 | 4867616 THX 1178
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How will the cops be well fed? Where will the food come from? If not food itself, then money. Where will the money come from? The money will be worthless via hyperinflationary crackup boom. The fed vault and fort knox are both empty (visavis the banking cartel and suppression of gold via dumping onto market...) where will they get the food and money. There will be no food and money. Only precious metals.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 22:10 | 4867628 Harbanger
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You think the Farms stop producing food?  There will be food and the Gov will decide who gets it and force people to work for free if they have to.  A financial collapse doesn't diminish gov power to make people do what they want.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 23:28 | 4867832 MontgomeryScott
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Do you recall that 'energy' act that was passed a few years ago that devoted great swaths of farmland to the production of unedible grain in order to add 'conrahol' to gasoline? Oh, I suppose you forgot that one. It's the same one that mandated those mercury-laden CFL light bulbs that require a hazmat team to sweep your house if you happen to break one (all made in CHINA, of course. THANKS, W!).

There's that little issue of the geoengineered drought in California, and the pig virus that seems to be decimating the porkers, and all the dead Gulf of Mexico due to the B.P. Mancondo 252 (A, B, and C) spill (and subsequent Corexit 9500/9520A spraying), and then that little issue with the dying Pacific Ocean because of some old G.E. MK. I reactors blowing up, and the corporate takeovers of all the private farm/grazing lands by Monsanto/BLM, and...

Hell, even the GOV.INC. is gonna be hard-pressed to find food, and very soon, now.

I just made a couple of tuna fish sandwiches. I have only 14 cans of pre-Fukushima tuna left. EXPY. date was early 2012 (but the stuff keeps in cans for about 10 years). I bought them in 2009, on sale when they were $.29 each. Not oil-packed; water-packed.

Your thinking is quite two-dimensional on this subject, 'Harbanger'.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 23:35 | 4867878 Harbanger
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The Gov can do whatever it wants in an emergency. They can force commercial farmers to grow whatever they want and give the food to whoever they want. I wouldn't be shocked it they force people in the US to use some new fully electronic currency after the collapse.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 00:18 | 4867960 TBT or not TBT
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That's the way it "worked" in the Soviet Union during the 70 year long emergency called communism.  Also, under FDR and then Truman during the rationing for WWII.  

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 01:19 | 4868025 7.62x54r
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Farming takes hard work and experience.

The Soviet union tried to dispense with that. It didn't work very well. Zimbabwe also tried this. The people who siezed the farms sold everything that wasn't nailed down, and everyone starved while the land lay fallow. The actual farmers ( all white ) got the hell out.

The corporate farmers will just move their equipment to Canada or Mexico and sell it. Good luck with getting the Free Shit Army to actually get in a productive crop.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 23:38 | 4867884 2handband
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This. The present power structures will not only survive the collapse, they will probably emerge stronger. We're beyond fucked.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 01:14 | 4868022 7.62x54r
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They will stop producing food.

During the fall of the Weimar Republic, farms only produced enough food to feed their families, since they couldn't get paid for anything more. Why do all the hard work to plant all of your acreage if you have to give it all away for paper that is only good for furnace fuel?

And farmers had to fight bands of starving townsfolk who would leave cities to rape and pillage.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 02:07 | 4868085 TheObsoleteMan
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Usually, your posts are insightful and well thoughtout. Not this one, completely ignorant. NO GOVERNMENT HAS EVER SURVIVED A COMPLETE FINACIAL COLLAPSE. NOT ONE. EVER.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 02:24 | 4868108 Harbanger
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I'll be happy if you can just name one financial collapse that led to less government.  Maybe you're thinking regime change, as in the Weimar collapse leading to the Nazi party, not the survival of Govt.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 23:33 | 4867872 dart67eb
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How about those private security frims that drive around the psuedo-rich neighborhoods and work the gates at the gated communities?  They're just casing the place until the SHTF.  "Yo, cuz..."

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 20:31 | 4867403 BobPaulson
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Well, clearly the weather is to blame for their recent economic troubles.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 21:21 | 4867514 Buck Johnson
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Your correct, they will melt away like the Iraqi military did and we will see chaos in this whole country.

 

 

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 17:13 | 4866772 magpie
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Anabaptists in Muenster

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 17:25 | 4866820 0b1knob
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Branch Davidians at Waco.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 17:27 | 4866827 Flakmeister
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Aussies at Gallipoli...

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 17:39 | 4866889 Ignatius
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An unnamed sorority in the battle of "undies in the night".

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 20:01 | 4867334 NeedtoSecede
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Thanks for the unexpected laugh Iggy.  Needed it with all this doom and gloom.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 17:52 | 4866931 Flakmeister
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If I was a Aussie out there, I would be mighty pissed at a few people...

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 18:25 | 4867055 OceanX
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The Pogues - The band played waltzing matilda

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZqN1glz4JY&feature=kp

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 21:22 | 4867516 IndyPat
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1000+ The Pogues playing anything

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 05:01 | 4868228 mr_gandhi
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and the Kiwis were there too...

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 08:28 | 4868490 Flakmeister
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Some how ANZAC'ers didn't have the same ring to it...

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 18:11 | 4867005 stocktivity
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Why can't they all be like "America the Beautiful"?  Where "God shed his light on Thee?" 

They should all listen to what we tell them to do.  We have God on our side.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 18:24 | 4867051 SuperRay
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God sure is busy, what with helping out Goldman Sachs AND everyone else in America...

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 17:00 | 4866720 kaiserhoff
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This is, after all, Europe's back yard, and their oil supply at stake.

I say we sic the French on them.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 17:05 | 4866751 booboo
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To late, they surrendered already

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 17:09 | 4866764 Winston Churchill
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Oil is as fungible as money.

Its nobodies, and everybodies oil supply.

The informal self defence pact set up in Peking last month, may be about to be tested out.

Which is exactly what this is about.Iraq going over to the Eurasian trade bloc.

Uncle Scam is not happy with Maliki.

Everyday is more like 1914. That didn't finally blow until August.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 17:17 | 4866787 Quus Ant
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Everyday it gets harder to be a sheeple-  It's about oil you dumb fucks.  The West needs it.  The East gots it.  And god help them that get in the way.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 17:18 | 4866790 29.5 hours
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Yes, al-Maliki is about used up as a useful tool. Perhaps a Ngo Diem moment has arrived?

 

 

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 18:40 | 4867084 Joe Tierney
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Yep - August 1/2, 1914. I wonder if WWIII is gonna hold off until August. A lot can happen is 6 weeks' time.

 

The world's got a HUGE and GROWING lower-tract CRAMP, and I fear the FECES is about to contact the rotating air screw. I guess you could say the Shiite is about to hit the fan, heh?

 

Reminds me of a joke - These drunks in a bar were yukking it up, and one of them says he can fart the star-spangled banner. So all the other drunks take the challenge, and so this guy gets up on the bar, and lays down a trail of SHIT from one end of the bar clear to the other end! All the other drunks are grossed-out and ask him what the hell he thinks he's doing. He replies, "Well, I had to clear my throat first!"

 

So, the world is just 'clearing its throat' in Iraq, Ukraine, Syria.....getting ready for the BIG ONE.

 

Hey - the LAWYERS are setting this one up, as usual. Most politicians are lawyers. Reminds me of another joke.

 

The National Institutes of Health has just today issued an emergency directive, ordering all medical research labs in the U.S. to immediately cease using rats for research, and start using lawyers. They gave 3 strong reasons for this directive:

 

1. There's lots more of them

2. Unlike rats, lawyers will do anything

3. There's much less chance of the researchers getting attached

 

Hey - that reminds me of yet another joke:

 

What's the difference between a flounder and a lawyer?

 

One's a filthy, scum-sucking bottom-feeder, and the other is a fish.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 20:19 | 4867375 NeedtoSecede
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JT, I gave props to Iggy above for his joking around, and you deserve a+1 also. Well done Sir.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 21:28 | 4867530 IndyPat
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Great joke!
Almost cleared my throat laughing!

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 00:50 | 4868003 August
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Ah, things do move in cycles.  When I first heard that joke 50 years ago, the punch line went "Even Perry Como has to clear his throat!"  (It was probably Rudy Vallee before then.)

Thanks... for the memories.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 03:24 | 4868158 BringOnTheAsteroid
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What's the difference between a dead dog on the road and a dead lawyer?

There are skid marks in front of the dog. 

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 07:40 | 4868394 monkeyshine
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Way back when there were some who proposed splitting Iraq into 3 or more states. This idea was scuttled, mostly because of Oil, but because the north wouldn't have much of it not because we couldn't get it.  Now it may end up splitting anyway.  There is a way for everyone to win. Unfortunately everyone plays it like a zero sum game.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 21:02 | 4867477 Kassandra
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Totally fucked

Totally fucked

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 01:24 | 4868033 7.62x54r
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The French will cut down the trees on the Champs Elysee so the Arab occupiers can march in the sun. The Germans already had their turn marching in the shade.

The French are hospitable that way.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 17:02 | 4866737 Gringo Viejo
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"Nobody can eat 50 eggs!"

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 17:59 | 4866956 Gringo Viejo
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I'll be 64 in September and to this day...."Cool Hand Luke" remains the most MEANINGFUL film I ever viewed. Take it to heart my younger brothers.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 18:31 | 4867074 Flakmeister
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With one of the most erotic scenes captured on film...

And no, not the egg scene....

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 22:53 | 4867758 fxrxexexdxoxmx
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You like it when people get shot in the throat?

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 23:11 | 4867811 Flakmeister
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Stupid is as stupid does....

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 20:53 | 4867452 TheMeatTrapper
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"Just seemed like a nice round number"

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 21:56 | 4867598 One eyed man
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"Nobody can eat 50 eggs!"

Whoever said that had never tasted caviar.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 17:15 | 4866780 Omegaman2211
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If only god existed.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 17:19 | 4866795 JR
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God exists. To find peace, follow his laws.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 17:24 | 4866814 Flakmeister
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 The Old Testament tell me its ok to have slaves and a bunch of wives... You may be on to something...

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 18:08 | 4866984 JLee2027
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The Old Testament tell me its ok to have slaves and a bunch of wives... 

That's quite untrue. It reports what men did, and does not approve it. Men, for example can choose to sell themselves into slavery to pay debt. GOD then set rules for how slaves were to be treated, but did not say slavery was "OK". Or man can take multiple wives if the women are willing. Both are sins, such as married Abraham who had relations with his maid, and that son, Ishmael became father of all Arabs and Muslims. That particular sin changed world history, and for the worse.

 

Beware of sin, it has consequences.


Tue, 06/17/2014 - 18:17 | 4867031 Flakmeister
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Hell, Leviticus 25:44-46 reads like an owners manual...

I will grant you that the question polygamy is not clear in the Old Testament...

Didn't stop Joseph Smith from seeing the light though... 

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 18:52 | 4867131 ThankYouSatan
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The god of the OT is cool until you shoot your load on the ground

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 19:29 | 4867204 Harbanger
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You're reading from one early chapter of a book, and you're reading it as if were an instruction manual (deliberately).  For Christians the old testament is read like a history book, marking events over time.  Not an instruction manual.  Leviticus was written by Moses after the exodus out of Egypt and slavery.   They were slaves, slavery was the global norm at the time.  Moses was telling those people, at that particular time what they needed to do to get to their promised land.  But keep reading, the best parts are in the last chapters called the new testament.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 20:00 | 4867332 Flakmeister
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Yes, the New Testament is the meat, and I am utterly appalled at the number of people that hide behind it while being the most baldfaced hypcrities I have ever met...

BTW, read the fine print, Christ was the first socialist....

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 20:14 | 4867363 Harbanger
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Couldn't be.  Socialist don't give, they take and redistribute. He was a capitalist carpenter paying taxes.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 20:32 | 4867407 Flakmeister
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Buddy, you have worked your way high on that list here at the Hedge...

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 20:33 | 4867412 Harbanger
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What list is that?

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 00:35 | 4867979 Dolar in a vortex
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The list of posters who care enough to instruct the uninformed of the error of their views.

Well done.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 08:30 | 4868499 Flakmeister
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Not quite....

Either our friend is being coy or is merely obtuse....

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 22:34 | 4867710 dogbreath
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Flakzuki:             Yet you are ZH's high priestess of AGW.  You seem to enjoy your fallicies.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 20:18 | 4867374 Five8Charlie
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No way. The best part is Ecclesiastes. 3rd Chapter. King James Version.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 01:28 | 4868036 7.62x54r
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Ok, as an atheist, I have to say that making Christians live up to jewish Mosaic law in Leviticus is unfair. That Jesus fellow abrogated a lot of that shit. So Christians can eat shrimp without getting stoned to death, and so forth.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 02:00 | 4868075 JLee2027
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As an atheist, what morality do you follow? Do you live in the United States where the benefit of Christian morality built this nation? You see, atheism is tearing down morality across the United States, and I am asking if you understand this. 

Since you made jokes about the Bible I suspect you don't have a clue the damage atheism is doing today and throughout world history. 

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 02:49 | 4868134 7.62x54r
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The damage is being done by socialist retards.

Socialism IS a religion.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 03:00 | 4868146 JLee2027
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Atheism leads to socialism, dependance on Government as GOD. Your personal morality may be ok, however, your belief spreads the idea of moral relativism, that any morality is ok, and this always leads to corruption and destruction. Socialism is just one path it can take. Genocide is another. 

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 01:53 | 4868065 JLee2027
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Didn't stop Joseph Smith from seeing the light though... 

At the risk of upsetting a few, Mormons view Jesus as one GOD of many, and they themselves will equal Jesus after Death and become GODS, so to them, Jesus is not their Lord. In conclusion, Mormons cannot be called Christians, because to be Christian you must accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior. 

So the heresy Joseph Smith created was for his own pleasure and contrary to the Bible.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 03:40 | 4868174 BringOnTheAsteroid
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How can you be certain that the devil did not litter the world with all the holy books to create confusion and angnst amongst people and to distract them from the real path to salvation? Come on, admit it, it'd be a fiendeshly clever plot by the devil.

How do you propose that there is any semblance of fact and/or reality in the bible when it did not start to be written until 70 years after jesus died? Please don't tell me you believe angels came down to earth and dicated it to the scribes. 

Why do the ten commandements not include Thou shall not enslave", "Thou shall not torture", "Thou shall not rape". God has to be a bit of a dumb ass to miss those crucial bits of morality. Mmmm, how can it be that I can come up up with better commandments than god himself. Seems we don't need the bible after all.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 05:22 | 4868226 JLee2027
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There were many false gospels and books, rejected by the Church, before the Bible was assembled.

The New Testament was written by the Apostles of Jesus and Saint Paul, and it was not 70 years later. They were personal witnesses to what happened. 

Real belief is based on the search for truth.  The Bible has never been shown to be wrong or incorrect on any account. The latest proof is where Genesis 7:11 talks about a subterranean ocean being the source for the Global Flood. Skeptics have laughed at that for centuries saying there isn't abough water to flood the Earth and where did it go. In 2014 it was announced there are enourmous reserves of water in the Mantle, as much as 3 times all the oceans of the world. So, the Bible was proven correct again.  I understand that a skeptic such as yourself will laugh and reject it this plain truth, but I've listed it for others to read who will accept it.

Thou shall not enslave", "Thou shall not torture", "Thou shall not rape": are all covered in the "Love thy neighbor as thy self" command in Mark 12.

One of the scribes, when he came forward and heard them disputing and saw how well he had answered them, asked him, "Which is the first of all the commandments?"

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Jesus replied, "The first is this: 'Hear, O Israel! The Lord our God is Lord alone!

30

You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, and with all your strength.'

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The second is this: 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' There is no other commandment greater than these."

 

As was explained in the Bible, "love thy neighbor" is a summary of several of the original 10 commandments. I guess GOD wasn't such a ""dumbass"" at all. 

Reading the Bible with an open heart it becomes obvious this was divinely inspired. It is the only book in history that declared future events that then happened (the Messiah arrived and died for our sins, as the Dead Sea Scrolls found in 1948 proved these predictions were written before Christ appeared).

 

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 05:27 | 4868249 BringOnTheAsteroid
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That's a bit of a stretch JLee, 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself' is not a commandment. If it is a commandment, like the elevnth commandment or something then many of the other commandments are redundant.

Oh, if all this is put here by god and it designed human beings with a reptilian brain stem as the foundation of the brain then god is a dumbass.

I do not disagree in the slightest that you can pick certain verses from the bible as some of the most important virtues in the world just as the one you tried to palm off as a commandment. But you have to trawl through alot of shit (discrepancies, ambiguities, horror, cruelty and contradictions) to find these gems. If god dicated the bible then god is a dumbass. A high scholl educated child could write a more "to the point" guide to morality.

How can you be certain the book you claim as righteous was not the devils best work, the devils most incidious plot to lead you from the true path. You can't argue otherwise if you believe in all this superstitious stuff. The devil must be powerful and you could well have been completey hijinxed. Maybe the Buddhist monks have the true path, just sit there and want for nothing, let the mind free itself from the shackles of the physical body.

I often wonder why Americans from the south/east are so taken by jesus. It's fascinating insofaras the development of different societies. 

When you go to sleep and it is dreamless, I think that is what death is like. I reckon I will be right but unfortunately never able to prove it one or another. The beautiful irony of our fleeeting existence.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 13:57 | 4870172 JLee2027
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As I predicted and you didn't read what I said. Must be nice to enjoy all the benefits of Judeo-Christian civilization, but substitute your own rules as you see fit. That's not how it works. It doesn't make you "smarter" it makes you dumber.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 19:07 | 4871516 BringOnTheAsteroid
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All the benefits? Mmmmmm, glad I wasn't deemed a witch a few hundred years ago.

I'm not denying for a moment society has benefitted from some aspects of the teaching of Christianity, but Christianity is the work of human beings like all other religions. We got where we are on our own mate, warts and all. No angels, no rising from the dead, no walking on water, no floods that mean we're all descendant from Noah and his wife. We got here on our own, give the human some credit.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 20:16 | 4871731 JLee2027
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Christianity is the work of human beings like all other religions.

Not so. Romans 1-20-22:

20  Ever since the creation of the world, his invisible attributes of eternal power and divinity have been able to be understood and perceived in what he has made. As a result, they have no excuse;

21 for although they knew God they did not accord him glory as God or give him thanks. Instead, they became vain in their reasoning, and their senseless minds were darkened.

22 While claiming to be wise, they became fools

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 05:15 | 4868237 Grumbleduke
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My question is a follow-up:

How come humankind could prosper and spread on all continents - WITHOUT those moral guidelines?

Christians seem to tell us, that before those 10 commandments (pure marketing number, as George Carlin pointed out) there only was mayhem and barbarism. Well, tell this them chiners, or celts, or or or... You get the picture.

Fact is, humankind developed despite religions. The idea, Satan wrote all those "holy" books is the same like saying, god wrote the bible, koran, in-a-gadda-da-vida etc. Inspired by evil (TM).

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 05:36 | 4868259 BringOnTheAsteroid
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Very simple, because there is no god. If there "is" something it would be so vastly beyond our comprehension that I doubt we'd be even able to recognise it as any sort of answer. It really is a beautiful dilemma. Existing as a self aware being but without ever being able to find out why. It really is beautiful in a sense. What JLee talks about is just the god of the time as Thor was to the Greeks. Every generation think they have it nailed which makes the human condition seem so comical and even sort of pathetic. 

I have to admit, if I die and wake up somehow in another dimension and without my body, but I'm still somehow conscious and self aware and have my memories in tact - what a wild ride that would be. When you start actually thinking critically about what religions claim, it's only then you realise just how silly it all is. The fact that humans believe it is simply fascinating in its own right.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 14:58 | 4870208 JLee2027
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Not true Asteroid, and I responded below.

I have to admit, if I die and wake up somehow in another dimension and without my body, but I'm still somehow conscious and self aware and have my memories in tact - what a wild ride that would be.

In hell? I don't think you'll enjoy it.

 

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 18:50 | 4871449 BringOnTheAsteroid
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You are brain washed JLee. You have been indoctrinated to submit to a higher authority and while for many that provides comfort you may never understand the absolute beauty of a free mind. Not knowing is part of that beauty, part of that deep mystery. Existing as a self aware entity with no preconceptions of the how, why or wherefore , especially without the familiar human condition of submission to higher powers, this an alternative to the medieval claptrap of religion.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 20:19 | 4871737 JLee2027
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I quoted you Romans 1:20 above. I suggest you read it carefully. What you see as "enlightened" is actually darkness. 

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 14:57 | 4870190 JLee2027
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How come humankind could prosper and spread on all continents - WITHOUT those moral guidelines?

Because if you read the Bible, that is not what happened. The rules are in your heart. Cain was punished for murder, he knew instantly murder was wrong and he was to be punished.  All societies know murder, adultery, theft, etc are wrong. The 10 commandments were introduced to the Jews, to separate them from others because they become GOD's people.

 


Wed, 06/18/2014 - 06:15 | 4868285 StychoKiller
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Look up "Gnosticism" on wikipedia.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 19:00 | 4867159 Five8Charlie
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Best proof of evolution I know is the evolution of religon. Seriously. Read the Bible and notice how the concept of God changes through it.  The Commandment "Thou shalt have no other gods before me"  is a literal command to ignore the other gods in the world: Baal, Ra, etc. The God of Isreal was just one more god competing for followers. That's a long way from our concept today of God.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 19:15 | 4867198 Flakmeister
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Stop it you heathen!

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 19:36 | 4867254 Harbanger
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That's called the beginning of monotheism.  Baal, Ra, etc. were not seen as, the one and only God, by their followers.  They all had multiple deities as part of their religion.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 05:44 | 4868261 BringOnTheAsteroid
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Ironically the very first commandment contradicts even the notion of monotheism because it is telling you, right there in black and white, that there are other gods "You shall have no other god". Oh well, thanks for confirming jesus/god/holy spirit that there are other gods because I was beginning to think Buddha wasn't real, and to tell you the truth, the fat guy has it all over you.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 06:20 | 4868289 StychoKiller
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Truly, you have no grasp on Bhuddism.  I suggest that you study it some.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 10:13 | 4868951 BringOnTheAsteroid
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I'm certain Buddha is fat. Let me check my facts and I'll get bank to you.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 14:54 | 4870490 JLee2027
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Ironically the very first commandment contradicts even the notion of monotheism because it is telling you, right there in black and white, that there are other gods "You shall have no other god". 

That's completely false. You haven't read the Bible, so you should refrain from making statements about subjects you don't understand.

http://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-oneness-unity-one-god.htm

  1. "there is no one like Yahweh our God." Exodus 8:10
  2. "Yahweh, He is God; there is no other besides Him." Deuteronomy 4:35
  3. "Yahweh, He is God in heaven above and on the earth below; there is no other." Deuteronomy 4:39
  4. "See now that I, I am He, And there is no god besides Me" Deuteronomy 32:39
  5. "Hear, O Israel! Yahweh is our God, Yahweh is one [echad]!" Deuteronomy 6:4
  6. "You are great, O Lord God; for there is none like You, and there is no God besides You" 2 Samuel 7:22
  7. "For who is God, besides Yahweh? And who is a rock, besides our God?" 2 Samuel 22:32
  8. "Yahweh is God; there is no one else." 1 Kings 8:60
  9. "You are the God, You alone [bad], of all the kingdoms of the earth." 2 Kings 19:15
  10. "O Lord, there is none like You, nor is there any God besides You" 1 Chronicles 17:20
  11. "You alone [bad] are Yahweh." Nehemiah 9:6
  12. "For who is God, but Yahweh? And who is a rock, except our God" Psalm 18:31
  13. "You alone [bad], Lord, are God." Isaiah 37:20
Wed, 06/18/2014 - 19:00 | 4871489 BringOnTheAsteroid
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I'm not convinced what you're doing is free thinking. You're just continually quoting passages from the bible. Is there any benefit to this? Likewise people who carry a bible around with them, I find this sad. Just live and enjoy the beautiful world, it's trees, flowers, oceans and amazing wild life. Enjoy and have fun so long as it's not at the expense of any other living thing.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 02:25 | 4868109 drunkenlout
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Yet only Ishmael survived the wreck of the Pequod.  Musta begat the hell outa the rest of his life.  Beware of Scripture -- it's consequences only fall on the believers.

 

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 05:46 | 4868265 BringOnTheAsteroid
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"Musta begat the hell outa the rest of his life".

Christ alimighty that is funny.

Similar to another comment on here a couple of days ago "We're going to free the shit out of you".

ZH comic bloody genius.

 

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 20:23 | 4867386 TheReplacement
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But then Christ came along and set us on the right path.  You can't call it Christianity unless it is Christ's teachings that are being followed.

Flak indeed.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 21:41 | 4867554 Herodotus
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"The Old Testament tell me its ok to have slaves and a bunch of wives... You may be on to something..."

 

Nothing wrong with that.  Everything in moderation.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 17:33 | 4866851 SheepDog-One
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Right, stone your unruly children, and never mix fabrics.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 18:28 | 4867064 SuperRay
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Of course God exists - God is the creative force of the universe, the power that makes something rather than nothing.  That's it.  No Charlton Heston beard, no serene superhuman who watches over us.  "God" doesn't care what happens to us.  Grow up, get used to it, and stop passing on the responsbility for your miserable existence to some cartoon character.

 

Bitch!

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 18:32 | 4867081 Flakmeister
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Pure being and nothing are one and the same...

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 05:48 | 4868269 BringOnTheAsteroid
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Run that one by me again.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 06:22 | 4868292 StychoKiller
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Stop looking for fish amongst the treetops.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 08:32 | 4868510 Flakmeister
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Well played....

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 19:33 | 4867250 Citxmech
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You had me up until the part about no Charlton Heston beard. . . 

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