Ron Paul Asks "Haven't We Already Done Enough Damage in Iraq?"

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Submitted by Ron Paul via The Ron Paul Institute,

In 2006, I invited the late General Bill Odom to address my Thursday Congressional luncheon group. Gen. Odom, a former NSA director, called the Iraq war “the greatest strategic disaster in American history," and told the surprised audience that he could not understand why Congress had not impeached the president for pushing this disaster on the United States. History continues to prove the General’s assessment absolutely correct.
 
In September, 2002, arguing against a US attack on Iraq, I said the following on the House Floor:

No credible evidence has been produced that Iraq has or is close to having nuclear weapons. No evidence exists to show that Iraq harbors al Qaeda terrorists. Quite to the contrary, experts on this region recognize Hussein as an enemy of the al Qaeda and a foe to Islamic fundamentalism.

Unfortunately, Congress did not listen.
 
As we know, last week the second largest city in Iraq, Mosul, fell to the al-Qaeda allied Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS). Last week an al-Qaeda that had not been in Iraq before our 2003 invasion threatened to move on the capitol, Baghdad, after it easily over-ran tens of thousands of Iraqi military troops.
 
The same foreign policy “experts” who lied us into the Iraq war are now telling us we must re-invade Iraq to deal with the disaster caused by their invasion! They cannot admit they were wrong about the invasion being a “cakewalk” that would pay for itself, so they want to blame last week’s events on the 2011 US withdrawal from Iraq. But the trouble started with the 2003 invasion itself, not the 2011 troop withdrawal. Anyone who understands cause and effect should understand this.
 
The Obama administration has said no option except for ground troops is off the table to help the Iraqi government in this crisis. We should not forget, however, that the administration does not consider Special Forces or the CIA to be “boots on the ground.” So we may well see Americans fighting in Iraq again.
 
It is also likely that the administration will begin shipping more weapons and other military equipment to the Iraqi army, in the hopes that they might be able to address the ISIS invasion themselves. After years of US training, costing as much as $20 billion, it is unlikely the Iraqi army is up to the task. Judging from the performance of the Iraqi military as the ISIS attacked, much of that money was wasted or stolen.
 
A big US government weapons transfer to Iraq will no doubt be favored by the US military-industrial complex, which stands to profit further from the Iraq meltdown.
This move will also be favored by those in Washington who realize how politically unpopular a third US invasion of Iraq would be at home, but who want to “do something” in the face of the crisis. Shipping weapons may be an action short of war, but it usually leads to war. And as we have already seen in Iraq and Syria, very often these weapons fall into the hands of the al-Qaeda we are supposed to be fighting!
 
Because of the government’s foolish policy of foreign interventionism, the US is faced with two equally stupid choices
: either pour in resources to prop up an Iraqi government that is a close ally with Iran, or throw our support in with al-Qaida in Iraq (as we have done in Syria). I say we must follow a third choice: ally with the American people and spend not one more dollar or one more life attempting to re-make the Middle East. Haven’t we have already done enough damage?

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Tue, 06/17/2014 - 10:25 | 4864867 Bawneee Fwank
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Fuck You Ron Paul!!  We must kill just enough in order to kill just enough at a later date!  It never ends hahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 10:27 | 4864882 Mr Pink
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It's never enough! Didn't he hear? These wars are great for OUR economy!

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 10:32 | 4864913 Fish Gone Bad
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An ebola outbreak could really clean the slate.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 10:34 | 4864922 NidStyles
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It's a shame the infection window for Ebola is so short though.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 10:44 | 4864967 Mr Pink
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Must be some idiots up early today with broken sarcasm detectors

 

The Yahoo boards are that way >>>>>

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 10:57 | 4865025 jsgibson
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Blasphemy either way.  Ron Paul is probably the greatest man to step foot in Washington since Jefferson.  Save that for the bankers.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 11:11 | 4865094 power steering
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The worldd is a safer place since he has no offspring

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 11:13 | 4865101 Four chan
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power steering is a tool?

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 10:47 | 4864977 SafelyGraze
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it's not a disaster if your goal is to impoverish, isolate, and standing-armify the us

they hate us for our domestic surveillance

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 11:12 | 4865096 Four chan
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you know they are working on it in the lyme disease department.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 14:32 | 4866113 cipher14
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In the book GERMS by Judith Miller, Steven Engleberg and William J. Broad, they report on the U.S. Government's Germ Warfare program. They describe a genetically modified version of Variola (smallpox)-Ebola combination created in an American Military Lab specifically for "culling" large swaths of an (supposedly) enemy population. Variola-Ebola is as contagious as influenza with an 88% mortality rate. It is an ugly death. All the Kings in their 1% Brightly Shining Castles couldn't escape if this piece of Military Grade Software were to ever get out of Fort Detrick, Maryland. True story.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 14:56 | 4866228 Reptil
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that's being fixed as we speak:
check out the (now defunct) Sunshine Project, charting the USA biological warfare program (right on your doorstep):

https://web.archive.org/web/20050211103036/http://www.sunshineproject.org/

interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZHJsZg_Fgw

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 10:51 | 4864995 JailBanksters
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That's right

America must kill or shareholders in the Military Industrial Complex are going to loose money.

People have to die, so the US Economy can live another day.

 

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 11:42 | 4865247 tempo
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US policy.... urban fighting which destorys cities, kill many, force millions to flee.  This encourages larger area of instability which causes more urban fighting. 

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 12:29 | 4865471 f16hoser
Wed, 06/18/2014 - 00:48 | 4868000 Abbie Normal
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The enemy of my enemy of my enemy is still my enemy.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 10:25 | 4864870 CharliePrince
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when dick cheney  comes out of his coffin tonight  ,  ask  him  what to do

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 10:26 | 4864873 Dollar Bill Hiccup
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They WANT to ally w/ AlQ ... creates Sunni hegemonic power against Iran. Keeps em all fighting each other. Like the good ole days, not lol.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 10:36 | 4864929 Winston Churchill
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ISIS is a proxy of the US,just like Al Ciada and bin Laden.

Maliki was going off the petrodollar reservation.

This is what happens when you do.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 10:43 | 4864954 Thought Processor
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Agreed.  The ISIS footage and pics look staged.  Especially the big ISIS guy with no ski mask who also has dyed black hair and beard-  WTF?

 

As usual, something smells about all of this.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 11:18 | 4865125 Thought Processor
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Also, does anyone else find it odd that ISIS just 'all of the sudden' emerges as a giant threat?

 

And do you think that all these groups have nice neatly organized armies with easy to remember names?   Well they don't in real life.  And the ones that do exist, well you can't pronounce their names in english that well and there are usually many factions within them all from different sects.  In other words they aren't that memorable or well organized.

 

Who is funding ISIS?  Where did they originate and how?  These are in fact the real questions.  Is it just a coincidence that they got a hold of all that US equipment and money?

 

Or are we simply watching Wag the Dog again?

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 11:33 | 4865195 donsluck
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Is responding to your own comment mental masturbation?

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 11:40 | 4865232 Thought Processor
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Yep, I suppose, but it could also be called thinking, I think.  

 

 

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 10:43 | 4864958 greatbeard
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>> Maliki was going off the petrodollar reservation.

Is this a fact? (sorry to be so ill informed)

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 10:45 | 4864969 magpie
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Iraq Government was accumulating gold and instituting a public bullion sale-resale program.

KRG was moving off the standard as well...

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 10:47 | 4864976 Bastiat
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I wasn't aware of that,

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 10:54 | 4865005 Thought Processor
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I think there is more to it than that but the Iraq Gov. was departing from the script that was given to them, that much is clear.   

They were attempting to detach from their overlords.  That was a big no no.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 13:15 | 4865659 Bastiat
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Thanks, I'll do a little research.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 10:55 | 4865006 roadhazard
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No, the US and the ISIS/al Quesack take turns using each other.

 

 

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 11:26 | 4865170 Stripey Magee
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Iran, Iraq and Syria have a pipeline deal to pipe gas and oil to the Mediterranean for sale to the EU which will not be sold in petro dollars. The Saudis and Qatar have been left out of the deal.

 

 

 

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 11:42 | 4865245 SWRichmond
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link?  Because this would explain the whole fucking thing.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 11:29 | 4865179 dark_matter
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My friends from Iraq agree with this. They think ISIS was given the unspoken nod to invade.

When asked in a debate about Iraq, Mitt Romney said it should be broken up into 3 countries and my friends think this is the goal. Three Kuwait-sized kingdoms that can be more easily controlled, one Shia, one Sunni and one Kurd. And none a threat to Israel.

 

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 11:41 | 4865238 Thought Processor
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This would make sense and at the same time explain a lot.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 11:41 | 4865240 Cathartes Aura
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your "friends from Iraq" been doing some map-reading?

illustrated intentions at the bottom of this article, and if one chooses to read, the path to arrival is laid out in details.

perpetual wars for perpetual profits, maximum chaos.

 

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 12:28 | 4865465 DrewJackson
Tue, 06/17/2014 - 16:48 | 4866671 omniversling
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Pat Buchanan is not someone I'd usually listen up to, but this article from 2003 made me sit up and reconsider his views. Very instructive, especially with hindsight now passing thru the prism of the 'surpRISE' of the ISIL/ISIS. PB names names and strategists:

Whose War?
A neoconservative clique seeks to ensnare our country in a series of wars that are not in America’s interest.
By PATRICK J. BUCHANAN • March 24, 2003

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/whose-war/

"Podhoretz credits Eliot Cohen with the phrase “World War IV.” Bush was shortly thereafter seen carrying about a gift copy of Cohen’s book that celebrates civilian mastery of the military in times of war, as exhibited by such leaders as Winston Churchill and David Ben Gurion.
A list of the Middle East regimes that Podhoretz, Bennett, Ledeen, Netanyahu, and the Wall Street Journal regard as targets for destruction thus includes Algeria, Libya, Egypt, Sudan, Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Hezbollah, Hamas, the Palestinian Authority, and “militant Islam.”
Cui Bono? For whose benefit these endless wars in a region that holds nothing vital to America save oil, which the Arabs must sell us to survive? Who would benefit from a war of civilizations between the West and Islam?
Answer: one nation, one leader, one party. Israel, Sharon, Likud."

I believe this map of the Bernard Lewis Plan (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_Lewis) below predates the one referred to in the Global Research article referenced above <http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-destruction-and-political-fragmentation...

The Lewis Plan (2002?) - division of Iraq by international oil companies.

http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/images/lewispln.jpg

Another illuminating (no pun intended) article from Global Research explaining/referencing the Yinon Plan for 'Eretz Israel '. Oded Yinon’s “A Strategy for Israel in the Nineteen Eighties” - Published by the Association of Arab-American University Graduates, Inc. Belmont, Massachusetts, 1982 Special Document No. 1 (ISBN 0-937694-56-8)

<http://www.globalresearch.ca/greater-israel-the-zionist-plan-for-the-mid... (published on Global Research April 29, 2013, with in Introduction by Michel Chossudovsky):

Gratitude and Thanks for all your insights, wit and insults ZHedgers...

Peace.

 

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 10:44 | 4864959 Kirk2NCC1701
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Nuttynyahoo and his friends could not be happier. Nor could the Saudis.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 11:36 | 4865214 marchare
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just one big Illuminati game. Isis, goddess of magic mother of Horus God of War

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 11:46 | 4865270 Cathartes Aura
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they do loves their tell-tale acronyms, hmm.

and their strategically chosen calendar dates. . .

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 10:26 | 4864878 Jason T
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I heard Glenn Beck this mornign on radio giving "Liberals" all the credit for being right about Iraq and not one mention of the BOSS being dead on right the entire time.  

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 11:07 | 4865075 thamnosma
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Continue to listen to that nutjob at your own risk.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 10:27 | 4864880 prains
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mission accomplished......LOL

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 10:27 | 4864889 moroots
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I love ya Dr. P, but what do you mean "we"?  I didn't have shit to do with any of this.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 10:33 | 4864917 DeliciousSteak
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Your opinion is irrelevant both to your leaders and their enemies. But I guess you're armed and ready for the consequences of your non-action.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 10:52 | 4864998 Soul Glow
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Very Heideggerian.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 10:28 | 4864892 Dollar Bill Hiccup
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This way, Israelis provide strategic shield for Saudis & friends. Rooskies lose Syrian naval base but hey, they have Crimea ... and oil still flows for your Chevy Tahoe. Etc.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 10:31 | 4864911 Overfed
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Putin will give up Tartus right after he gobbles O'bomb-a's goo. Which will be like, never.

Tue, 06/17/2014 - 10:30 | 4864901 MFL8240
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Gen. Odom, a former NSA director, called the Iraq war “the greatest strategic disaster in American history," and told the surprised audience that he could not understand why Congress had not impeached the president for pushing this disaster on the United States. History continues to prove the General’s assessment absolutely correct.

 

Wasnt this war authorized by the congress based upon the same data the Bush admininstration reviewed?  How about we get rid of all of them?

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