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Ukraine-Russia Near "Serious Conflict" Following Explosion In Largest European Gas Transit Pipeline
With 2 Russian TV journalists killed in recent days and on the heels of Russia's cutting off Ukraine's gas supply for non-payment, Interfax is reporting that:
- *EXPLOSION ON UKRAINE GAS TRANSIT PIPELINE REPORTED: IFX
- *INTERFAX CITES UKRAINE INTERIOR MINISTRY ON GAS PIPELINE BLAST
Witnesses say flames are reaching 200 metres high. Gazprom shares are tumbling on the news (as should European stocks) and Russia's Foreign Affairs Committee Chief Aleksei Pushkov warned relations between Ukraine and Russia have entered a new stage and are "moving closer towards a serious conflict."
An explosion has struck a pipeline in the eastern Ukrainian Poltava region. Witnesses say flames from the blast are up to 200 meter high, RIA Novosti reports.
The “Brotherhood” natural gas pipeline (Urengoy-Pomary-Uzhgorod) is about one kilometer away from the nearest settlement. No injuries have been reported from the blast. Fire fighting crews have been deployed to the scene.
Operating since 1967, the “Brotherhood” is the largest consumer gas pipeline in Europe, clocking in at 4,451 km. It cuts through Ukraine and runs into Slovakia, where it diverges in two directions; with one part supplying gas to the Czech Republic, Germany, France and Switzerland, and the other to Austria, Italy, Hungary and several countries in the Balkans.
Pipeline faucets are being tuned off as fire fighters still can’t put out the flame.
As Bloomberg reports,
Relations between Russia and Ukraine have entered a new stage and are "moving closer towards a serious conflict", said State Duma Foreign Affairs Committee chief Aleksei Pushkov.
Russia did not recognise unilateral border demarcation by Ukraine which was "contrary to all norms of international law", Russia's ITAR-TASS news agency quoted Pushkov as saying Tuesday.
"An attack on the Russian embassy, an attempted attack on the consulate-general in Odessa, insults to the Russian president, regular arrests of Russian journalists -- I think this is a deliberate decision co-ordinated with the U.S -- all these are links of one chain," he said.
We are sure the explosion/fire on the pipeline will further this sentiment.
Update:
- *UKRAINE MINISTRY: FIRE BROKE OUT ON GAS PIPLINE, NO EXPLOSION
- *UKRAINE MINISTRY SAYS INVESTIGATING CAUSE OF GAS PIPELINE FIRE
Coincidental "fire"?
In the #Poltava region #Ukraine explosion on a gas pipeline Urengoy-Uzhgorod-Pomary pic.twitter.com/aURhFAU4dj
— ??????? ?????? (@buritomexican0) June 17, 2014
And the purported video of the pipeline..
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Like I said earlier..that pipeline will be scrap soon and sold to the chinese..steel is 1 dollar a pound....lots of pounds there
Russia uses Steel to make ammo, could be a win, win situation there...
I am so glad I bought some Nat Gas futures yesterday.
American gas? Watch it because America can't export it and it's useless for Europe.
Better take northsea gas
Bullish for winter coats and coal in the EU!!!
Looks like they're having a blast over there.
Putin
"Europe, the Americans have just turned your gas off."
Marshmallows!
Chocolate!
Graham Crackers!
Mmmmmmmmm Smores!
USSA foreign policy at work... if you can't own it or steal it, you destroy it.
Fuck with the flow of The Spice and this shit's going to get serious real quick.
I'm not sure how enthusiastic Europe's support for Ukraine is going to remain if it means that they risk losing up to 1/3 of their heat this coming winter.
This is the pipeline that matters.
It has the ability to meet 70% Germany's required gas capacity but it runs at only 25% of its capacity (or about 15% of Germany's requirement) currently.
It can rapidly be twinned.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nord_Stream
Info:
http://www.indexmundi.com/germany/natural_gas_consumption.html
http://www.naturalgaseurope.com/nord-stream-pipeline-capacity-utilization
Freut mich zu hören!
can't they blame this on ISIL? or am i getting my psyops confused? admittedly, just can't bother to sort it all out anymore.
Blame it on the Russians... they hate bi-sexual, kenyan-hawaian,half black semi jews who play golf while pretending to be a USSA president.
I said it last week.
If I was in the east/southern EU I would be long logs and wool.
One of these days they will figure out that the EU is the problem, not the solution.
But then again, if you drink enough Ouzo and Retsina and pass out on the beach at Gylfada in January you would be cold and pickled but likely, still alive.
How ideal!
Too ideal.
I smell false flag.
Who "benefits"?
Expect the Germans and Polish to punch a replacement pipeline through before next winter. And nowhere near the Ukaine.
Obama is such a retard.
Since Germany will be supplied via the Nord stream it seems the biggest losers will be Italy, Greece, Hungary...Southern Europe.
Then there is the South Stream pipeline which is under construction.
The losers are the Ukrainians whose country is soon going to look like Iraq.
http://www.south-stream.info/en/maps/karty/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Stream
What you may or may not know is that the South Stream has been suspended by the EU commission(well actually Bulgaria after a visit from some US senators).
Good catch SW.
http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/europpblog/2014/06/13/bulgarias-decision-to-suspend-work-on-the-south-stream-pipeline-is-likely-to-increase-the-eus-leverage-in-negotiations-with-russia-over-ukraine/
At least there's some furniture left in Greece.
http://www.npr.org/2013/01/22/169931378/under-a-cloud-of-austerity-real-...
They do have plenty of corrupt Politicians and Banksters to BURN.
The Ukrainian Kiev Kriminal Kabal is simply following orders from the USSA viceroy, Nudelman. They are commanded to do anything possible to provoke a war with Russia, so that Ukraine can play the victum and then NATO/USSA will ride in to rescue the day.
It's more sinister than that. The politicians see a future opportunity of exporting the US natural gas reserves, so instigating a bunch of chaos along the easily accessible nat gas sources makes it that much more likely for the exportation of US natural gas to occur at a significant profit.
Edit: saw your other post where you stated the same. :-)
Problem with that is, we had to import natural gas last year. We exported some too, but we still had to import. There is not enough elasticity in supplies to meet current demands at home and to also meet demands abroad. That is saying nothing about the energy wasted going from gas to LNG for shipping or the infrastructure required to ship the stuff overseas. If they're trying to set up nat gas exports, it is a move that reeks of desperation.
As if the great ones cared about the peasants having natural gas.
http://ir.eia.gov/ngs/ngs.html
http://www.eia.gov/forecasts/steo/report/natgas.cfm
"They have enough to fight with."
Plus more than three years required to build the necessary infrastucture. That is a long time to be spent huddled in woolen coats burning FRNs to stay warm.
Those are pretty fiery words from the Russian Minister.
He who can destroy a thing, controls a thing.
is that from the koran?
The novel Dune.
Which might as well be a loose script for what we're seeing right now.
The US as House Harkonnen? Or the Emporer?
Exactly!! That's why only Russians kill Russian journalists....
My understanding is that "Harkonnen" was a euphemism for "American."
(obligatory) Fear is the mindkiller.
"You are a holy people unto the LORD thy God and He has chosen you above all others upon the face of the earth…Therefore when the LORD your God brings you into the land you are to possess and casts out the many peoples living there, you shall slaughter them all and utterly destroy them…You shall make no agreements with them nor show them any mercy. You shall destroy their altars, break down their images, cut down their groves and burn their graven images with fire…"
–Book of Deuteronomy, chapter 14
Strange g0d.
Strange indeed, straight from the Bible>>> The Serpent told Eve the truth.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMEot_ffP7w
...kinda puts a whole new twist on the matter.
Imagine, though, that this was about Detroit instead of Canaan. Makes it harder to reflexively say, "Oh, that's terrible."
Gods are very powerful. Did you ever consider that they may be clinically insane at the same time?
If by "clinically insane" you mean "non-existent" then yes, I have considered this. Everyone in a cult is convinced theirs is not a cult, it's the true path.
The USSA wants to provoke a war with Russia via Ukraine to block further Eurasasian Integration, to control europe by creating a phony Russian Bogeyman, and to eventually sell overpriced Nat Gas to Europe, and/or to convince them to destroy their water tables and environment via Haliburtions monopoly on fracking chemicals.
USSA does not care if they destroy the Ukraine,and they are happy to 'Fuck the EU' (Nudelman), and they expect minimal blowback since there is little trade and no significant borders between Russia and USSA.
If this is true (so true?) then clearly Putin fell for it hook, line and "sink her."
I think not going into Syria is going to be seen as one of the worst "fleeing from decision" ever.
Putin appears to be acting with considerable restraint.
Image if Mexico was subject to a coup and the new facist goons in power to nuke US retirement communities in Mexico and then launched a full military attack against them using both air and ground assets.
You think USSA would sit idly by and twiddle its thumbs?
With Obama at the helm?
Yes.
If you understand this, and I understand this, it seems reasonable to presume that there are EU statesmen who also understand this.
I f you know you live under the long reach of NSA you know you need to be very careful what you say. But I suspect there will come a day when FUCK THE USSA enteres the lexicon of a number of EU languages.
I could not agree more with your statement. Good bye EU manufacturing one less party to compete with.
Essentially yes. This is going to get real nasty real soon.
Who in their right mind would down thumb this comment? Ok, never mind. Yeah, does look like they're having a blast. Go Ukraine! Tell Russia to eat their own damn gas.
redd_green
the answer to your question "who" is
anyone,
... the pipeline supplies gas to EU countries
For now the flow's been diverted to another branch of the pipe.
Europe still gets the gas.
Unless there's another "fire" elsewhere...
Southstream would give the peace of mind to the EU.
....but the EU comission said that it would be bad for the Eu to have another pipeline from Russia that could potentially save them from shortage if an event like this should happen....how is the EU comission picked?...it seems to me that whoever picks them does not really have the interests of the Europeans in mind.
What a lot of us have been saying for a long time. Perchance you were being ...droll?
Good post "Keyser"! Indeed, Germany has already stepped up coal production at the world's largest brown coal mine complex in Germany. New contracts with power plants have resulted in expanded mining operations. Brown coal is very dirty coal, but Germany is mega rich in it, since Natgas is now in question, Germany is already moving to produce more power with brown coal.
So, yes, Coal and fur coats are appropriate in Europe this coming winter.
So what about all those EU green directives?
It's only a matter of time baby.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/04/07/us-natural-gas-expo...
Yes, though Northsea it was. Also starting moving on COG.
Obama is good for gas.
you mean the 'hot air' type of gas that spews daily from his mouth ?
Exactly the same process is occurring on the Eastern seaboard of Australia. The play appears to be designed to link countries with vast excesses of gas and low domestic prices to regions of high prices via LNG tankers. This is the strategy, globablize the gas price. Our domestic gas in NSW is going up by 17% in July, with talk of 100+% increases over the next couple of years. We are being linked to the Tokyo spot price via LNG exports.
Gas companies signed contracts to export gas promising to find enough CSG to cover any domestic shortfall. This CSG bonanza hasn't happened, but export contracts must me honored! Domestic gas prices to skyrocket. Large commercial consumers are refused long term supply contracts, essentially putting them at the mercy of the highest regional gas price achievable.
Watch Australian politics be upended by Clive Palmer (Queensland mining coal magnate) when his party takes the balance of power in the Senate in July. Expect a constitutional crisis.
fungible
So Europe has no intention of securing those pipelines then.
Hmmm. Maybe the USA should blow them all up too.
Europe has little means of securing anything. They have been defense welfare queens for seven decades, and they have few young men, and even fewer loyal ones.
"NEAR SERIOUS CONFLICT" OMFG. I'm so glad it hasn't actually reached that point yet. it's just a little random murdering, shooting, and blowing shit up. Another day with No Assasination. Sigh.
200 meter flames?? Theyre going to need bigger marshmallows....
This has reached such a level of seriousness that Putin's going to take off his shirt
Keep him away from the little boys!
Pretty sure you meant barry
BTW: Isn't this ozone negative. Go long Carbon Credits.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Stay-puft-marshmallow-man.jpg
Pretty sure this http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1284880/Texas-gas-pipeline-explosion-kills-worker-injures-seven.html was the same height
And then be rehypothecated up the yin-yang (pun intended) to save China from a liquidity implosion
Don't know where you're buying your steel. Scrap price, especially for the relatively low-grade, easily welded pipeline stuff is 6 to 8 cents @ pound U.S.
Shhh! I'm making a killing selling to him at that $1. But then I'm paying 10 cents so what's your source?
He must have been thinkng about lead.
Gazprom stock is unchanged
http://www.marketwatch.com/investing/Stock/OGZPY?countrycode=US
According to the fool that wrote this article the stockl is collapsing. Come on Tyler, clean the place up.
Don't forget the Criminal CIA trained Al CIA duh Islamist via Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Lybia, Syria, NATO plus the Nationalist Fascist Nazi's in the Ukraine which helped destabilize the region (s) & paved the way toward complete, total political & economic upheaval. Complete destabilization, bedlam, murder, rape & plillage. Chaos.
Shock Doctine style.
In the internet age nobody checks their facts, so how is this not acceptable?
So, without checking any facts, here's my theory:
This explosion was probably an accident. Right Sector using a stolen backhoe to dig a mass grave hit a buried pipeline.
Happens all the time.
Can someone somewhere just start shooting already!?
You took the words right out of Jay Carney's mouth.
Haus, it's not a computer game. me, I'm fine about the currently low level of trigger-happiness in Ukraine, and I'd be even happier if peace breaks out
Have you ever seen a guy and girl -- just friends -- but the sexual tension between them makes everyone around them miserable. Themselves included. Everyone knows tthey really need to go ahead and fuck and get it out of their system? This is kinda the same way.
When Ukraine and Russia get it 'out of their system' there will be a lot of dead people, and millions more living lives of utter misery.
Don't wish for it buddy because that could be you or me if we're not careful.
I don't have that much faith in the Ukranian military. I think that on balance -- if both sides were to "get it out of their system" it might actually save more lives than it costs.
I think the Ukranian military is grossly incompetant and untrained. I get the feeling if a half dozen Russian armored divisions rolls across the border, most of it would fall apart, and the Ruskies could go straight to Kiew, and put an end to the bloodshed in the East with fewer casualities than this civil war there we have right now.
So essentially you are wishing people to charge to their deaths to make you feel better....
Also, I have worked with the Ukrainian military, and your description of them is not accurate in the least. The Ukrainian AirBorne divisions are the core of their doctrine, the armor doesn't do much as the majority of their forces are considered at the same level as our Ranger Battalions. In other words, they thrive in hostile terrain in small units pulling ambushes and anti and plain insurgency operations.
Pray tell --
Was this before, or after 80% of their leadership and a good chunk (30%) defected after the coup earlier this year?
You really do not understand military folk. People moving around to different regions do not change what you have already learned.
I will never foget how many wraps of det cord I need to cut a hole in a cinder block wall. I will also never forget how to set up a hasty ambush, or how to assault an objective. Some things you just never forget.
I did not junk you either ;-)
I'm more than aware that most non-grunts have no idea how wars are actually fought. I'm ok with explaining it.
TBF - I know jack squat about fighting in a war.
I know I am a crack shot at 200 yards with my AK, and hope I never ever have to use that skill. (Thank you Texas for awesome gun laws)
I am not talking about changing where they live, I am talking about people changing sides.
I start this stuff for the downvotes.
Go ahead and fire at something 200 yards away, which is interesting as the sights of an AK are declinated in meters.
Firing at a target while you are a lone individual or a small group is how you get killed. This is why none of you are an actual threat to the US military, and you should simply get the idea out of your head that you can win any protracted fight. You do not know the first thing about how to take on an enemy of that nature.
Of course not.
And yeup -- its in meters. The ranges in the US are in yards.
I'm not sure you understood NidStyles. knowing how to shoot with a rifle is one of the least important skills in a modern conflict zone. particularly if you want to stay alive. seen this way, shooting range practice alone is the worst preparation you can get
No -
I understood him pretty well. I also accept he is correct. I just decided not to respond to a couple points.
"If we respond quickly and firmly now, I reckon all the troops will be comfortably home in time for Christmas."
Famous lies said before every major war in recent history.
Interesting conversation. Former 0351 here. Going toe to toe with any organized combined arms unit is a death wish. That is why the trend in modern warfare has been small scale, guerilla tactics for the last half century.
If you are a guerilla/freedom fighter/whatever, you attack supply chains, support personnel and sympathizers as targets of opportunity. You do your homework, set up survillance, plan and organize mission and logistics, execute, and move on to the next target. Smart guerillas will study what has worked for other insurgent movements, and what failed. You study your opponent's strenths and weaknesses, and you capitalize on them.
Two words:
SUPPLY DEPOTS. All major military operations require them.
former 11B here.
former 63B myself, should have been 11B, would have learned more useful skills
You would have had to deal with the BS of being an 11B too.
Armchair generals think strategy.
Real generals think logistics. Thats how I've heard it put.
Former 8652 (Marine Vietnam) and you're 100% right. I can't get over the clowns I see posting on websites who fantasize about plinking off people at will without serious consequences. My favorites are the tools who think their having several thousands rounds of ammo to defend their house against a well armed/trained military force will mean shit in a for-real SHTF situation. A house can be blown to hell and gone without breaking a sweat. In fact, I can take a house using just a couple of other people to help me and we can use nothing but deer rifles if you give me a few days. Give me what we had to use in Vietnam (which is nothing compared to what the U.S. military has now) and I'll take that house in 5 minutes. Guaranteed. Bottom line: a shooting war is nothing anyone should ever want. It's horrible.
You can just call in a 120mm mortar round from one of the numerous tracked vehicles that have them moutned on top and blow out the doors and windows of the whole block and wipe out the house in question.
It amazes me that people think they can fight openly against something like that.
I once watched a JDAM take out a 35 story aprtment complex in iraq. One JDAM turned the whole building into dust. All just to kill one single sniper.
You know you're fucked when you see a bunch of smart phones pointed in your direction, filming what is about to go down.
35-Story building? That must've been a doozy! I bet the debris and shrapnel went out over a mile. FWIW, that was a good use of a JDAM IMHO.
True...
former marine as well... I have thousands of rounds and I'm ready for a fight, but it's not with the military/govt... any idiot inside or outside of military training should know it's not a winnable situation...I stock up for the scavengers, the predators, neighbors getting desperate... not the military... it's funny when people assume that any stock pile of ammunition and weapons are sstrictly for going against the govt...
Semper Fi, Bro.
Like you, I'm far more concerned about foragers and looters. Fighting the military never crosses my mind. First off, it would be futile. Secondly, I would have a hard time taking arms against the only trustworty reminant of the country I grew up in.
Oathkeeper
Semper Fi Sir!
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A 200 Yard distance is roughly 185 Meters. You set the sights accordingly.
Nobody points out that most AK's are 5MOA accuracy or worse, so 10" at 200 yards. I mean beyond the obvious point you aren't stopping a military unit that way. Might discourage some much lesser forces if you have coordinated well with neighbors.
NEVER ever butt heads with the US Army you will loose , think supplys and logistics for them.
"This is why none of you are an actual threat to the US military,..."
In a civil order breakdown situation they won't be shooting at the military, they'll be shooting at each other.
@Haus: you might be right. However, the Ruskies don't want to get into another Afghanistan. I think they leave that to the Americans.
Is that an example of Russian exceptionalism?
More importantly neither do the Europeans. Its not as if the US foreign policy handbook play in Ukraine since last year hasn't been blatantly obvious.
So Obammy - those Ukrainians you managed to bury under a heap of shit so Biden's son can get a job? Howzabout you send the lads over to help em out. Because no one in Europe is behind you and your administration's shit-stirring abroad. And that probably includes the majority of NATO senior officers who I cannot see gagging at the bit to go up against the Russians in their own back yard to help out the fascists in Kiev or someone across the pond who taps their leaders' phones.
I wouldn't imagine your taxpayers are currently very chuffed with the $5T and 4500 dead you managed to piss away on that global blueprint of US foreign policy that is Iraq. The idea of sending their kids into another of your fabricated wars to protect the petro$ is probably not high on the hit list.
End result:
Russian annexation of Eastern Ukraine.
NATO does fuck all.
Europe bring another bankrupt country into the EU fold for all those lovely migrants who will work for fuck all.
Obama's ink runs dry on his red marker pen. Actually, it seems to have done that quite a while back.
Regarding Russian overt intervention, note...
Translation of the "must read" article of worldcrisis.ru explaining why there is no Russian intervention in the Ukraine
...though above was posted 16 days ago, and the situation is rapidly changing.
With respect to the exchange below (because I too have not served in the military, so speak without direct experience), but I wonder if the Ukrainian troops are less than thrilled and lack motivation to shoot at people who are in fact their own countrymen, on behalf of/orders from other people whom they know full well to be rich, corrupt puppets? All that, and soon enough they will be expected to do the same thing out in the freezing cold.
I think Barry's little putsch in Ukraine will fail for the same reason, ultimately, that Napoleon and Hitler failed.
Chickenshits like you should get off their fat fucking arses and get on the front lines instead of shooting their big fat mouths off.Always easy when its someone else's sons or brothers doing the actual fighting you cunt.
Shitstain. Read the whole thread before shooting off your mouth.
You're the shitstain, here. And you insist on proving it, again and again.
and again?
Keep it coming douche-nozzle.
yes. and have you ever experienced war? lust might be similar to bloodlust, yet it's seriously not the same
note that your comments could be construed as repeated and systematic public incitements to violence by a malevolent public prosecutor. particularly by a German one. this is not a warning or a threat, just a kind admonishment to responsibility in your words
you left out an important word there bro --
immediate. It goes between "to" and before "violence"
Also, outstanding Urteile on this topic (just looked it up) requires a certain amount of specificity.
did actually not know that, thanks for the info. btw, what about the new kind of comments I'm reading around? the ones about "throwing Americans out of Germany"?
What comments are you talking about? The ones in this thread?
I once got over 150 downvotes here for saying essentially the same thing a couple months ago. Its a slow day at work, and I am wanting to ruffle some feathers.
Or other comments? Would be interested to see someone promulgating throwing the Amis out. (Unless its our military, and then I understand that pretty easily)
here and there. I'll save the links if I happen on them again. yes, I remember. isn't it too a form of... trolling? but no, they were of the "hunt the Amis" "Werwölfe" kind
have your fun with your feather ruffling
Yeah, that would be interesting. I would be interested in seeing these people's position on other immigrant populations. The balance of anti-Americanism I have encountered here in Germany takes 1 of 2 forms;
1) NPD/NSU types, who quickly shut up when explain "Meine Vorfahren kommt aus alte-Preußen." "Echt!? Wo genau?" they quiz me a little and it normally ends in "Oh tut uns leid ... blahblahblah."
2) Communists who are either bitter about 1991 still, or hate the fact that USD is flooding into east Germany, making it nice again, and raising the rents.
But if there is another strain of it -- I am all ears.
Having served in the US military in Germany, I am unable to understand exactly why we are still here, nearly 25 years after the end of the USSR. Don't get me wrong, I have friends who work at one of the local bases, and it supports the local economy, but I can't see how this is in the best interests of the US.
Yeah, it is like we have occupied Europe. But everyone knows we wouldn't do that. We are the good guys. Yessiree!
Gaveling - it's a mistake to think US 'leadership' has been working in the interests of the American people. If you look at things in terms of being rewarded for fulfilling advancement of a globalist new world order it makes more sense. Why so many pointless wars & so much debt (to private banksters) ? -- To bring down America.
Yes, this theory to explain the actions of US leadership sounded 'nutty' to me also, a few years ago. But the thought that they were just making 'stupid mistakes' just didn't explain it. The same agenda has been followed by both branches of the demorepublicraps. And they have actually spoken & written on this, but most of the public is blinded by years of propaganda which begins in the 'schools'.
This shitstain could be just a below-average troll, a confined to his mom's basement. Or he could be an example of things to come. Sooner or later, TPTB are going to try to disrupt ZH with an army of minimim wage shitstains. This one could be from the advance party.
You caught me. I actually work for MediaMatters. I got sick of Disqus-trolling on Infowars, so I decide to come over here and give it a shot.
Of course in your chilidish war mongering little comment you fail to mention two individuals achieving orgasm is far preferential to a bunch of innocent men, women, and children trying to hold their bloody guts in after being fragged by the enemys white phosphorus. Think the Palestinians are obsessed with fucking whilst dodging hot white phosphorus?
Haus=cretin!
The death toll in eastern Ukraine has already topped a thousand.
We are getting close to a justifiable Russian intervention, not boots on the ground.
A no fly zone ,and elimination of Uke artillery by missile strike.
The Iraqi govt.i is now history for the same reason as Saddam.Threatening
the petrodollar standard.
No -- I am not talking about this silly foreplay. I am talking Russian Army vs Ukranian Army.
Lets see the West put their money where their mouth is. My bet -- we do jack.
Its not about Ukraine anymore.
Its about the Eurasian trading bloc,keeping europe out of it, and the petrodollar.
Ukraine is merely a battle in that war.
Follow the strategy, not the tactics.
Precisely, the US does not care one iota about Ukraine, it is encouraging its puppet government in ukraine to provoke the russians as much as possible.
There is hardly any reporting in the western MSM and most of that simply parrots the government line.
No mention of the daily artillery bombardment of civilians.
Also the US does not care one iota about europe, they just want to ensure there are no other threats to their hegemony.
The best thing would be for europe to "defriend" the US and link up with an eurasian trading block.
Nuke suicide.
The US would not hesitate to nuke europe if it was that or the petrodollar.
I think that has been made plain to europes leaders as well.
If germany did join Russia/China and defriend the US, no nukes would fly ... if nukes did fly, that would trigger MAD ... and all the elites know that is a bad, bad idea.
The biggest risk of a nuke trigger remains a communications breakdown ... and some lone idiot starts it all. As I recall, it is on record that we have been moments away from that 9 times since Hiroshima ... the 10th could easily be the last.
Here's your chance for glory motherfucker but I know you would'nt have it in you.
You're not very good at this. Try harder.
Gosh, you're boring as fuck.
"The Iraqi govt.i is now history for the same reason as Saddam. Threatening the petrodollar standard."
Israel has no role?
Did you mean the Russian govt? The bear is in the trap like it or not.
No, Iraqi.
ISIS is a US proxy.
Maliki was getting way too friendly with China and Russia.Was about to sell oil
in yuan and/or euros/rubles.
Bye bye.
ISIS is a US proxy. That still doesn't save the US embassy in Baghdad or the people inside thaat compound. They are expendable. I mean if the USA would nuke Europe to save the petrodollar they sure as hell won't care about losing 5500 Americans iether.
Follow the script here.
Its an election year, Obozo saves the embassy personel and deposes Maliki.
Obozo might be as dumb as a rock,but his puppetmasters are not.
Games within games is SoP.
The world could do without the senseless slaughter. But, if you're so gung ho, why don't you just fly on over there and start the shooting yourself?
See my response above. My original statement is based on the premise that
1) No one else would get involved saved Russia and Ukraine
2) The Ukranian military would desert when a half dozen Russian armored divisions roll across the border.
I've been up-arrowing Haus-T on gumption alone. I love when someone wakes up ready to fight anyone, and everyone. And I agree, the US "mobilization" looks no bigger than would a support crew for evacuation of citizens and assets. The Area Formally Known As Iraq is back to being a wildcard, which is how Putin would have it, and to jackboot, what remains of the Ukraine would be folded up like an extra pair of jeans in a weekend bag.