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Darrel Issa Subpoenas Lois Lerner's "Damaged" Hard Disk
Days after the IRS humiliated itself, revealing that the dog at Lois Lerner's emails, some two years worth between the years of 2011 and 2013, representative Steve Stockman (R-Texas) went so far as to petition the NSA to recover the lost emails. However, this track would hardly lead to anything actionable for various reasons: as we explained, "the NSA is caught between a rock and a hard place: because if it refuses an official congressional demand, it shows once again that the spy agency is entirely separated from any concept of checks and balances and accountability; if it complies, it confirms that all the NSA is, considering it can't even tap into a bunch of Al Qaeda phones and figure out what the jihadists' strategy is in Iraq, is just a massive data repository of all US electronic information, to be abused at will by corrupt, criminal government workers, some of whom will likely have to resort to the "dog ate my emails" excuse in the immediate future."
So in order to avoid even further questions about the true role of the NSA and thus risk even more embarrassment of the broken US government apparatus (because the IRS scandal is really symptomatic of a greater issue: the deteriorating of checks and balances in the US legislative branch), the man who has been most steadfast in his pursuit of Lois Lerner's, and the IRS', pursuit of conservative groups, House Oversight and Government Reform Committee Chairman Darrell Issa on Tuesday issued a subpoena to the Internal Revenue Service, ordering the agency to turn over the hard drive they claim is responsible for wiping out two years of critical email communications.
According to the Washington Examiner, Issa is not only seeking emails, but wants equipment, “communication devices,” printed documents and just about anything else related to former IRS official Lois Lerner, who has refused to testify before Congress and who the GOP believes is a central player in the targeting scheme.
"After a year of beating down efforts by the Obama administration and its allies to obstruct an investigation into targeting, the IRS now says it lost perhaps the most critical evidence,” Issa said. “We still do not have answers about how and why the IRS tried to deceive Congress about these missing e-mails. This subpoena seeks those answers.”
Per the Examiner here are the items Issa is asking the IRS to produce:
- All back-up tapes, external drives, thumb drives, or other storage media the IRS used to capture, archive, back up, or otherwise record e-mails sent or received by Lerner from Jan. 1, 2009, to Sept. 23, 2013.
- All hard drives, external drives, thumb drives, and computers Lerner used from Jan. 1, 2009, to Sept.23, 2013.
- All electronic communication devices the IRS issued to Lerner from Jan. 1, 2009, to Sept. 23, 2013.
- All electronic files, including, but not limited to, .pst files, relating to the IRS e-mail account Lerner used from Jan. 1, 2009, to Sept. 23, 2013.
- All documents and communications that Lerner printed and/or stored for Federal Records Act compliance purposes from Jan. 1, 2009 to Sept. 23, 2013.
- All documents and communications referring or relating to the production to any congressional committee or member of Congress of e-mail communications sent or received by Lerner from Jan. 1, 2009, to Aug. 2, 2013.
- All documents and communications referring or relating to the creation of “Enclosure 3” from the June 13 letter from Leonard Oursler to Senate Finance Committee Chairman Ron Wyden and Ranking Member Orrin Hatch, titled “Description of IRS Email Collection and Production."
- All documents and communications between or among IRS employees and employees of any Executive Branch entity referring or relating to the IRS’ production of documents to Congress from May 10, 2013, to the present.
- All documents and communications referring or relating to the subpoena issued by the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform to Treasury Secretary Jack Lew on Aug. 2, 2013.
- All documents and communications referring or relating to the subpoena issued by House Oversight to Koskinen on Feb. 14.
Surely it will be next to impossible for the IRS to claim that it has "lost" all the items on the above bullet list, although we are confident it will try.
As for the hard disk, we have a suspicion it will not only have passed through a massive magnetic field first, but ultimately Issa will receive something that looks like this:
At that point it will be up to America's army of White Hat hackers to attempt salvaging whatever data is on it. Because only in the US government - the same government that demands businesses retain electronic data for years at at ime - is there no requirement to back up one's communications and files.
We wonder: how long until Americans finally realize they have had enough, and proceed to inform the IRS they have systematically "lost" all W-2 and 1099 statements sent to them in the last several years as well...
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I love the fact if I win over $5k in a poker tournament, I have to give the USG 25% of it.
But if GE makes a profit, the USG gives THEM money.
What equality.
Like the IRS computers are stand alone and not hooked up to a mainframe.....
Onbama is th most corrupt piece of shit anywhere.
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Our IT laughed when he heard this story.
Nothing will change until the USD dies. Then they all will scramble over each other to try and get away.
pods
Again, this is all political theater until Congressmen call upon their constituents to swarm DC and storm departments and agencies demanding answers.
all of our politicians have damaged hard drives
Why don't they just find the bitch in contempt and throw her in a D.C. dungeon until she talks? I like how these ass hats conveniently forget their power and play roles of pathetic impotence when it suits their political ambitions.
I am Chumbawamba.
chumbawamba
Yes! Get their attention!
+ $17 trillion
I smell a ruse. I do beleive they have sent Issa down a blind alley to stall a bit more. Said drive will have retreivable data on it. All mundane office crap. Then we'll hear how Issa is wasting govt time and money looking for something that "does not exist."
The liberal criminals who break these laws are not stupid. Quite the opposite. They brought this crashed computer garbage up late in the game for a reason. And it's not cause they wanted the world to think them dumber than bricks.
Hey, if the platters are physically undamaged, hardcore forensics guys with a clean room can do amazing things.
Likely spread across an array, but they can reconstruct that too. A bit harder and better tools, but I thought that is what the FBI did afterall. I am sure the array is just fine and working perfectly. A damaged hard drive. lol
The FBI is controlled by the executive branch. Holder controls those guys.
Having been on opposing sides of the FBI in capital cases and seeing, first hand, *most* of their methods and talents w.r.t. forensics, let me posit this:
Can the FBI collect physical evidence from a hard drive? Such seems to be the case, based on my limited experience.
Beyond the fedgov's *infinite* supply of FRNs and time resources, and despite their ability to confuse rubes/judges/juries with "high sounding and technical" jargon, their CART teams understanding and ability to grok what they are actually looking at, from both data and software perspectives, are minimal at best, and maliciously criminal in some cases.
A single example for consideration: Upon testimony that their *specialized* (hah) software utilized MD5 to hash and "fingerprint" hard drives and that "a single instance of a change to the underlying data or to any file on a hard drive" would render a completely different "fingerprint," they had no explanation how:
A video I produced illustrating: not one, not two, not three, not four, but FIVE atomic changes to bytes in a file yielded the exact same hash as their "original."
Any actual professional (of which I may or may not be, depending upon whom you ask) that understood the software and could speak to the technology could have told them that MD5 as a hashing mechanism has generally been deprecated for use since the discovery of this particular flaw circa 1998.
Asking if they were aware of the limitations of MD5, the deer in the headlights look is always priceless.
Attached link does a much better job explaining the practicalities than the 1998 original paper where I first found it years ago:
http://eprint.iacr.org/2006/105.pdf
Bottom line, for me: absent other overly compelling evidence, there is zero chance I'd ever convict someone on "computer" based evidence alone were I on a jury.
PS - don't get me wrong, on my statement above, as I think that Lerner, et. al. are lying through their teeth to the public and CERTAINLY what they describe is quite simply bullshit and only passable to myrmidons/idiots.
Those with even a modicum of intellect and integrity will see this for what it is.
(Again, I may or may not possess some of that, depending on whom you ask).
In what world do people still keep their emails on hard-drives? Its all stored in MS outlook on a SERVER - this is simply theater at its finest...
When the illusion is no longer profitable to maintain...you better be ready.
And this is interesting...wondering if it will actually be implemented. The article is pretty weak...I'd like to see more written about this possibility. And why stop at defunding these scumbag criminals at only 15%??? Why not defund them completely??? They aren't needed and are only the criminal collection agency of the fraudulent and massively criminally corrupt Federal Reserve.
#EndTheFed
#EndTheIRS
House budget punishes IRS with 15% cut, halts Obamacare enforcementhttp://washingtonexaminer.com/house-budget-punishes-irs-with-15-cut-halts-obamacare-enforcement/article/2549830
Below are the bill highlights about the IRS:
If the House really DOES pass something like this, maybe that will demonstrate something I have always felt:
Both parties suck, but the R-Team sucks less.
The Elite is divided, IMO:
http://goo.gl/XjxYGl
ding ding ding...someone else gets it!
Enough of you stupid liberTARDian voters and your "both parties are the same" lie......
They both suck, but one party sucks more than the other!
That is like a drunk justifying that he is okay because he is not passed out in the gutter with vomit all over him.
Neither party is a protector of liberty. They are both filled to the brim with power hungry tyrants.
So you are either against ruling another man and stay the hell out of the system, or you choose which party best represents your interests in ruling over your fellow man.
pods
They both suck, but one party sucks more than the other!
FFS, this is the exact reason, I says the exact reason why there are two parties.
The only reason why you think the Republitards suck less is that you are conservative. While Obama lovers have been taking it on the chin (no pun intended), Many Libtards would say the EXACT SAME THING about demonrats.
So well done, in staying in the two party paradigm.
And yes, the elite are divided. Nobody said they are all exactly the same in ideas, thoughts etc. There are elites that are more aligned with what you think and believe, and yes, they will act in certain ways that align and benefit you, but the important part to remember is that they are not doing it to help you, don't care about you, and will turn on a dime and screw you over when it no longer benefits them.
Time to wake up and get off the left right wagon.
At least most of us agree that both parties suck. But allow me to put out the below thoughts:
1) WHICH party almost always chooses to RAISE taxes?
2) Which party now HAS CONTROL?
3) MANY here at ZH believe there is only ONE ELITE, thank you for your correct observation. I conceded that BANKSTERS heavily influence (but not control, at least yet) both parties.
4) Which party voted FOR OBAMACARE straight along party lines?
5) Despite the R-Team sucks, WHICH party did Ron Paul attempt to run with?
6) Obama has issued moar "Executive Orders" than any other president, he is, ah, D-Team.
7) THIS IRS scandal, GM bailout, Fast & Furious, AP corrspondents spying, is brought to us by WHICH party?
This post is really beneath your normally high quality posts. Please take that hook out of your mouth and stop playing their game.
Oh please. If someone had used the IRS to investigate, say, Elizabeth Warren, Republicans would be dead silent.
Why is ANY fed employee getting bonuses anyway? They already have way better pay and bennies than most private industry. The only bennie they should get is to keep their job if done well. 20 years and retired is also a friggin ripoff jpke.
When the illusion is no longer profitable to maintain...you better be ready.
Truer words have not been spoken.
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Yes and no. Outlook managed archives (.PST) are local. Exchange managed archives are typically not. If Outlook is setup for offline, then emails can be cached local. Outlook doesn't need an Exchange server to work either.
Prior to Outlook 2013, if you configured Outlook to connect to Exchange an OST file which could grow to gargantuan size would stay local, it'd cache the mail locally in the event the server was unavailable. Only since 2013 would the size of this OST default to a years worth of mail.
I don't know why the private sector has to abide by Sarbanes Oxley yet the Fedgov basically has memory holes everywhere.
Only if configured for offline use. You can turn it off, or you could. I no longer use Exchange or Outlook.
Archive .pst files are often stored on local PC's but their should be server copies backed up on tape or NAS.
Tell me again why we give the IRS a cut, for what? Record number of taxes collected this past year and were still running a deficit.
As long as we allow the IRS and FED to operate and steal the fucking joke will always be on us.
Had enough yet?
The USAF doesn't even keep server copies of routine (unclassified) emails backed up on NAS/tape, so not surprising that the IRS does not either.
Thus any evidence would reside in her local .pst files (if saved offline, such as due to server-side inbox size restrictions) and/or on the server until the next time it exchanged data with the local client, and processed the delete command(s) (for both sent and received parties).
We are endlessly being cajoled by IT to "delete old emails" to keep the exchange servers from being overloaded.
Automated backup systems re-write periodically, often 7/30/90/180/360 days.
That they would demand the hard drive, and not server-side logs, shows this is either a dog and pony show or pure ignorance, however.
Dude, what part of the word 'Lost' don't these people understand. It's gone, as in not here anymore. There is no drive. It was destroyed with 'extreme prejudice'.
Move on....... nothing to see here.
(edit: Let me be clear, I think that there were most certainly several laws broken here and that this should go all the way to the top, however the reason it won't is because the drive is GONE.
Does anyone really think they'll locate it and extract anything- no. Hence the request for the drive itself, which was smart. Now they have to explain why the drive is either missing or why it has been damaged beyond recognition. And the hole they are digging for themselves just gets deeper).
It is a way of incrementally forcing the issue. If they don't produce the defetive drive, they will have EVEN MORE explaining to do. If they do produce a defective drive, it may be possible to prove that it never actually was in Lerner's computer (because it is the wrong type or size or something).
"Onbama is th most corrupt piece of shit anywhere."
Sorry Obama is just the corrupt, murderous and treasonous temporary manager of the corrupt, murderous and treasonous DC US. The tip of the “iceberg” if you will. The other 99% of the corrupt, murderous and treasonous DC US is below the waterline.
"My guillotine can make snow cones with them."
And if you lose $5k in a poker tournament you can't deduct it.
And if you win $5k in an online poker game but claim you have no records of winning it because your hard drive crashed and thus you owe no taxes, you will be locked up for life.
Hard drives...thumb drives....backups....political favors. All this is just a distraction from the fact that the 16th amendment is immoral and should be abolished. Who cares if the IRS targeted this group or that group. The IRS has been targeting Americans for a hundred years. That's the real scandal. Everything else is just a sideshow.
For fuck's sake. I'm a small business and have backups and multiple hard drives containing my emails. This is all so implausible as to be an obvious lie.
Its a pathetic lie, so we know those emails implicate the White Hut.
So supoena their email traffic with the IRS.
No way to get the data off the drive. Looks like a nail gun hit it four or five times. They will suddenly find porn on Darrell Issa's hard drive however.
He is fuck you rich.
It would not work.
Undoubtedly child...
You could do that.
Could get messy though as they have the goods on everyone.
The NSA play is an interesting one because they're going to be hung out to dry if this thing blows sky high. On the other hand if "they play ball here" and turn over the second set of records as required by Staute Law then obviously a lot of folks will be glad to know the IRS monkey is off their back.
I suppose this also means that the IRS lost all of my tax returns from the past 10 years.
Pity, that.
Nope, they only lost the ones with refunds
Thanks LTER, credibility and neutrality rebuilt.. Now opine on the Clinton's use of trusts to evade estate and other taxation. As I remember the unearned wealth of the upper 1% is quite annoying to you, that is also Progressive wealth too, right?
Put the bitch in the chair.
yes but which chair?
Witness Chair?
or
Electric Chair?
Ohh I know, you meant both, sequentially.
I'm in the forensic collection buisness and have a question. Do these retards at the IRS think they're actually going to get away with this?
Sure,they will get away,but at what cost?)
Sure,they will get away,but at what cost?)
None, this country is imploding. That's all that keeps ringing in my head as I watch the news each night.
Just stalling until the next September 12th. You can get away with murder by then.
If a lie is repeated long enough it becomes truth.
813, yes! I think you are onto something!
Hitler had a quote about make it a very big lie, but simple lie and keep repeating it.
so when I googled it i found
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Lie
Later, Joseph Goebbels put forth a slightly different theory which has come to be more commonly associated with the expression "big lie." Goebbels wrote the following paragraph in an article dated 12 January 1941, 16 years after Hitler's first use of the phrase. The article, titled Aus Churchills Lügenfabrik (English: "From Churchill's Lie Factory") was published in Die Zeit ohne Beispiel.
They'll have a damned good try, given the story so far.
DavidC
format c:/s/v
Are you sure?
Yes
Not good enough. Secure erase, DoD style - that is, you overwrite the entire drive, typically with repetitive data and multiple times. Otherwise, the forensics boys are getting it back.
THIS TAKES TIME. Far more than a no-knock warrant will allow.
This is a myth. You only hae to overwrite it once, and the data do not have to be random (you can write all zeroes or all ones). No forensics company in the world can recover the data after it has been overwritten once. A hard-drive manufacturer or the NSA MIGHT be able to recover something from a hard-drive that was over-written once by taking it apart and looking at the platter with electron microscopes or directly capturing the analog signal coming from the read heads, but data recovery services do not do this.
Yes but they have to go very out of their way to do that, it proves it was no head crash, and you got them on destruction of evidence and a good circumstantial case that the email loss was a coverup. Some anonymous low-level employee or contractor is going away for a long long long time.
Rose Mary Woods with a hammer.
In the IT closet..
When the only tool you have is a hammer, every problem looks like a hard drive.
Bet they wiped that hardrive a thousand times over and placed it in an MRI scanner for an entire week for good measure
Receipts for firebrick and corn muffin molds scatter some poor nerdy IRS staffers desk.
http://eecue.com/c/driveslag
You'd be amazed at the damage even 3 seconds in a commercial kitchen microwave will do to a platter. *wink*
IT Guy to client: Ever wonder why IT uses a white rubber hammer instead of a black one?
Client: No. But why?
IT Guy: White ones don't leave marks.
Issa, as a criminal, knows how these things work! Put a crook in charge of finding the crime. Sort of like the SEC?
Not sure why so many junks. I think its a great comment!
IRS will load that hard drive with Lois' trannie porn and mail it in .
I guess it begs the question.... After she received the new computer, why wasnt everything on backup restored?
Ok your drive crashes...but the purpose of backup is to be able to restore lost data...did that not happen? If not why not?
and so the slow trek to the white hosue begins... just like nixon... and come nov when the repubs take the senate IMPEACHMENT.. perfect timing.. Without that Lois will stand frim knowing evenif found guilty of a crime, obumbler will pardon.... but if nov tips the senate she will talk like there is no tomorrow..... plus 6 others... SPECIAL PROSECUTOR please...
Shouldnt these emails be on a governmetn server.
Why would anyone in government be allowed to delete any communications.
They aren't, everything is backed up as well.
Seriously, are they fucking stupid? Email, especially outlook, goes to the server first - email going to a user should live on the server and be backed up. It's been impossible to hide your email since the 90s, I call bullshit.
At first I thought, Yes they are stupid. But, then I thought, well Google/Microsoft/NSA/FBI have got her back. Not only was it a hardrive failure on her personal computer, but GMail also had bad back up tape that day, and the NSA only tracks domestic terrorists, not the IRS, and the FBI was surfing porn. So, you know, shit happens. Oh, and this may all make her look like she did something, but she didn't. She is innocent. It is only on the advice of her legal coucil that her hard drive shit itself.
All they need to do is call in a few IT people....
Planes would need to hit about 3 or 4 buildings to destroy all the email backups.
they can destroy more than 4 buildings if they need it...
Not this time around.
It is practically impossible to lose sent emails within the Federal Government even if one individual's machine hard drive crapped out.
I suspect said IT people are waiting to see which way the wind blows ( or gets guaranteed a cushy job somewhere). Very possible several agencies have gotten themselves in trouble on this one and it may take the DEMs loosing the Senate before the whistle blowers feel safe enough to come forward.
I bet Issa has been practicing the "look" his IT guy gave him when he started asking questions.
Must be using the same IT group that designed healthcare.gov.
Where is JFK's brain?
Sorry, we lost it.
The dog ate it.
Along with Lois' hard drive.
We're so silly.
We'll try harder next time, promise.
Where the hell is the Congressional S.W.A.T. Team?
If you fed the I.R.S. the line of crap they are spinning out, they would show up at your door, in full assault gear, and flash-bang your ass till you coughed up the drives.
NSA, IRS, F&F, Benghazi, VA, Terrorist SWAP, DOJ. So many scandals, so much corruption, an inept and cowardly Republican leadership. You think something will happen now? Our system is beyond broken, our citizens are brain-dead, no one is responsible, yet everyone is accountable. No one can be offensive and everyone is a victim. Can we hit the reset button please? I want my fucking country back.
I hear ya bro!
The elections this fall are critical to getting the gov't back under some kind of control.
Look for the candidates who REALLY support the Constitution: you can tell who they are if the media and establishment politico's are critical of them.
I heard that same line of BS in 2000.
I had heard that the Republicans are holding off on impeachment until after the midterms in order to secure more votes.
So, i'm hopeful that there will eventually be a trial.
Now, that doesn't mean I support those hacks either. They're just the only tools and hope I have that the current admin is held responsible.
That would be a step in the right direction, although I fear we are already half way down the cliff simply looking up as opposed to turning around to see our ultimate demise. I am, however, a 'glass half-full' kind of guy.
The one thing that is certain is history has taught us that those in power don't give up so easily. Not sure how it all ends, but there is a rise in 3rd party, limited-government, anti-corruption rising throughout the world. You would 'hope' Americans would be a the forefront of this taking the lead in the name of Liberty. I guess the next 2 years we'll be our test.
yeah, abusive governments didn't end in 1776. It's a perpetual struggle. We're in a bad place right now, but I have hope that the current abuses will mold the next generation to do better. It's either that or collapse into 3rd world banana republic.
Huh? I heard that even when you think you deleted something it is still there and retrievable?!
I'd love to see this goon Obama wind up impeached over this.
If she's not running one of those wipe and write programs on her machine after deleting, it's all there - a 10 year old in 1985 could get it back. Plus, I still say those email are on server backups. Also, if they want to get down to it, I'd make a play to get all the email SENT to her - which I assume is why 6 other people suddenly plead defective hardware.
Govt users would die without their email - this did not happen.
Those 6 should have a cell being warmed up by Bubba and no astroglide for them..
Frying pan to fire . President OBiden, anyone ?
Sucks......but I'd take that deal running.
A pick-pocket works best while the crowd is distracted by a loud show.
Lois said "Yeah, you know. Shit happens. Sometimes computer hard drives just get smashed to bits, catch on fire and fall out of a window."
Did it fall, or was it pushed?
Don't let defenestration destroy YOUR data!
You forget burn to the ground then sink into the swamp.
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And the nail gun, 7 or 8 times, self inflicted, the computer pushed cntrl "N" over and over until it fell out the window, right past the guards, just after the attorney and invesigator left the room, Ohh wait that last part was in Russia.
Do not pay taxes. Do not file criminal extortion paperwork. Ignore communications from the IRS. Don't own anything so they can't take anything away from you. There are ways to starve the beast.
Hey, NSA! Suck it!
Hope you have been working on that awhile.
Its taken me nearly two years to get there.They are going to take everything in the end,
without any reason,so you best get started now.
Avoid the rush and the crowds.
I'm in the early stages of what I know will be a long but worthy endeavor. Best of luck to you.
Add Obstruction of Justice to the list.
The perpetual war president is above the law.
Make sure you get the entire Chain-Of-Custody for that hard drive Senator Issa. Also ask for the exchange database back up tapes, and the backup from the EMC NAS that backs up the exchange for 7 years.....
the cloud blew away
The interesting shit isn't on her hard drive, but it will be on the backup tapes from the mail server. This whole thing is complete bullshit.
The "company line" is that they only retained 6 months of those and then re-used them.
perhaps Issa should subpeona the "national archives" for the IRS emails...
'Only in the US government is there no requirement to back up one's communications and files.'
In the 1980s, a book claimed that records of the Social Security Trust Fund were kept on 5-1/4" floppy diskettes, used in a single 80386 PC in the Treasury Department.
Later, president George W. Bush visited the physical archive of the Trust Fund -- a four-drawer file cabinet in Pennsylvania.
Our future is secure!
So here I am, many computers, crashed disks, and so forth and I have to retain my email forever because I might need it to demonstrate my cost basis on some item I sell on eBay. Gotcha. As a practical matter, I can go back to 2003 on stuff that was not advertising spam.
She'll be planted in a villa in Israel before any heat gets near her.
Dog and pony show.... Issa needs to get NSA on the phone, they've got a copy of it.
It is total bullshit. On government computers files are not saved to the local hardrive....they are automatically saved on the network server which is itself backed up to other drives everynight.
If her particular files were lost it means a whole bunch of the IRS files for the same period have been lost...and somehow the backups on different hard drives also trashed somehow....
Shit happens?
It is bizarre that Govt employees get bonuses.. Must be an American thing.
Issa wants more than anything to convert Camp Pendleton into a bankster PNAC bank.
I doubt the physical hard drive even exists anymore.
So, the back up tape was also destroyed? Only the American people could be duped into thinking that her hard drive caused all this. Most Americans are fucking stupid. The crack IT team over there at the IRS better start erasing shit.
I have worked in IT for 25+ years. Any dumb ass politician who asks for her local hard drive and device in a public forum is just putting on a mother effing show for the sheep. Every email for a company or government is stored on the server and that server is backed up to disks and also tape, in some cases replicated to an off site location in the event of a disaster. Most keep email data for 7 years or longer depending on policy and I can tell you that government keeps it for at least that long. If you are serious about getting data you would never ask Lois lerner for her effgn hard drive. You would contact that IT staff of that department and ask for all backups of emails for that user for the years in question.
1. Lois lerner is lying out her ars
2. Darrell is putting on a choreographed show for all the stupid sheep; so they think the government is doing a damn thing. Trust me there is no Dem/Repub. there is just a corrupt US government.
3. All Darrell has to do, if he is serious, is ask for two things. The written policy on how long the IRS must keep emails. Then ask the IT department for all the backups. End of story..
The government thinks we're that stupid. Issa is that stupid.
Great stuff NC! I know Issa's putting on a show but thanks for the IT insight.
Just call the NSA and ask for the E-mails.
I hear there are 5 openings in gitmo.
Lerner, Holder and 3 more spots for anyone else that refuses to cooperate.
Defund the IRS, Defund Obamacare and defund the Justice department until this shit is cleared up.
Hands up. Anyone in the world who doesn't thing that the IRS probably has a pretty good IT department.
They have the best damn IT department when it comes to auditing you and I or anything that benefits them; but get caught as President Obama's "IRS BIG STICK" against the competition and the IT department sucks and the NSA goes all "cricket sounds" on giving the data everyone knows they have..
Hand is WAY up.
Having worked with some current employees in past IT life, if they are any indication of the talent level, then it's the Peter Principle in action writ large.
http://articles.baltimoresun.com/1997-01-31/news/1997031030_1_modern-com...
When will We The People finally say "Enough is Enough!!" ??
So a few months back my hard drive takes a dump. I take my PC into the local geek store and they install a new hard drive and my backup files, except for my emails which I don't bother backing since even a computer ignoramous like me knows that those emails exist on my service provider's servers. Sure enough, I get home plug the thing in, input my email settings, and Shazam...11,000 emails from the last 3 years start dumping onto my hard drive. So maybe the IRS can just call Comcast, or Warner, or Verizon or whoever the fuck their service provider is and just ask for their emails. Or maybe they can just look in the Pony Express archives, maybe they'll find them there. What a joke our government has become.
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Die mention they LIE?
Now call in the IRS tech people to grill them on their backup procedures. If you separate them they will likely spill the beans onto some new leads as to where to look at the data. Otherwise, they show their incompetence as they will be violating various laws and regulations on document storage (including their own!)
Write your representative, why not? Here's a format to make it painless:
Dear ENTER CONGRESSMAN OR SENATOR TITLE & NAME:
The recent events regarding the alleged IRS targeting of conservative political groups has prompted me to write you this letter.
The use of public resources to stymie the political opposition is clearly inappropriate and will not be tolerated. But what is particularly disconcerting is that congress is completely unable to find out, definitively, what had happened.
The inability of our federal government to effectively investigate the IRS represents a clear breakdown in the government's system of checks and balances. To even allow the IRS to destroy evidence during an investigation is, in and of itself, criminal.
You should know this, but so as to not take any chances I will remind you: Our government is charged with the task of, above all else, protecting the freedom and rights of its citizens. It is not to be complacent while one of its many bureaucracies victimizes and intimidates its citizenry while aiding in - what I can only describe as - a type of election fraud.
SENATOR OR CONGRESSMAN, I ask this from you: become passionate about (1.) getting to the bottom of the IRS allegations (no political party can argue that it is unimportant) (2.) punishing those that tampered with evidence during an investigation (both sides of the aisle should agree it is important and that it actually occurred) and (3.) preventing departments and bureaucracies from deviating from their originally intended purposes in the future (bipartisan-approved goals all around).
Seeing as how there should be no political opposition to such indisputably positive objectives, your new passion should see abrupt results. Now I know you are already brimming with ideas of how you can complete these objectives, but I would like to make some suggestions myself.
- Use a carrot. Provide a large monetary reward to whomever comes forward with Learner?s missing emails. This may sound like a radical idea, but please read on. The reward doesn?t have to be publicly funded. Within days I could have a crowd-sourced prize large enough to make anyone turn on their morally-vacant ideology. Just let me know.
- Create a department charged with two objectives:
1. To record any and all transactions, communications, and dealings of the federal government. If the NSA can do this for an entire country, it is not fantasy to imagine a government that actually knows what it is doing some of the time.
2. To monitor the bureaucracies and assure the United States that they are only pursuing objectives in line with their originally intended purposes.
I sincerely thank you for your new enthusiasm and passion in this matter.
Awaiting actual, substantive results,
ENTER YOUR NAME HERE