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David Petraeus Warns Obama "There Is Great Risk" In Military Involvement With Iraq
The Army general who oversaw the U.S. military’s surge of troops into Iraq in 2007 issued a stark warning Wednesday on any further military action. As WaPo reports, Retired Gen. David Petraeus says a number of preconditions should be met before Washington intervenes in the growing crisis - the United States should not offer military support unless Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki (whoc has stated "it's too late for regret," is able to adjust political conditions there so that his Shiite-led government is seen as fair and representative throughout the country. The bottom line, he warns, "this cannot be the United States being the air force for Shia militias or a Shia on Sunni Arab fight. It has to be a fight of all of Iraq against extremists."
The architect of the successful “surge” strategy that helped to quell the last great outbreak of sectarian violence in Iraq almost a decade ago said there was a great risk that the U.S. would be seen as picking sides in a religious battle that has been waged for generations.
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“If America is to support then it would be in support of a government against extremists rather than one side of what could be a sectarian civil war,” he said at the Margaret Thatcher Conference on Liberty in London. “It has to be a fight of all of Iraq against extremists, who happen to be Sunni Arabs, but extremists that are wreaking havoc on a country."
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Although Petraeus was careful not dismiss the idea of airstrikes entirely, he made it clear that his pre-conditions for support could not be met by the current government of Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki.
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“You cannot have 18 to 20 percent of the population feeling disenfranchised; feeling that it has no stake in the success of the country, in fact it has a stake in the failure of Iraq."
But (as WaPo reports) it does not seem like Maliki is willing to compromise...
It seems unlikely that Maliki will move toward compromising with the Sunnis any time soon. He admitted on television Wednesday that his government has made some mistakes, but it was not the time to dwell on them.
“What has happened is a setback, but not all setbacks are defeat,” he said, according to The Washington Post. “It’s too late for regret.”
We are sure President Obama is listening, looking at his putt, listening, looking at his approval ratings, and will make the right decision.
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please inform all the chickenhawks urging war
This is where all of the murderers start pretending like they don't want a war
NO SHIT.....these douchebags suddenly have a brain.....watta load of CRAP.......shoulda said that 10 years ago....now they join the "other" side saying its dangerous........BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
(whoc has stated "it's too late fort regret,"
Huh...???
“You cannot have 18 to 20 percent of the population feeling disenfranchised; feeling that it has no stake in the success of the country, in fact it has a stake in the failure of Iraq."
~David Petraeus
Of course it's perfectly acceptable to David and his neocon friends that over 50% of Americans believe they now have no stake in their country...
P.S. Anybody see the Obama administration passing the hat around for Detroit lately?...
Isn't that the design of all Middle East countries?
He must have found out that his blackmail files were destroyed along with those damaging IRS emails on that IRS hard drive......what luck!
you, Sir have caught the essence of this eunich's statements
Why not be honest (since he's retired now)
1) the locals already distrust the US- stop quibbling over the distinction between horseshit and bullshit
2) the current USSA regime WOULD fuck things up worse
3) if the USSA insists on playing empire with its military, do it right- go in, KILL ANYONE AND EVERYONE that won't disavow whoever the "enemy" is this week, and GET THE FUCK OUT AT LEAST AS FAST AS YOU WENT IN.
4) never allow any former commanding ISAF assclown to advise as to rules of engagement
5) POWER abhors a vacuum.
And as former head of the CIA, Mr. Betrayus really should know better that to spew shit like that about disenfranchisment, did he pull that out of the COIN book of statistics found on the internet?
This idiot was the one that was responsible for Abu Gharab. Also They don't want to go into this because they know that this won't take a few months it will take years and it still won't work.
Criminal not idiot.
Idiots do not know the effect of their actions on others. Criminals don't care.
This is the same Petraeus who just returned from meeting at Bilderberg.
Careful there Dave...the ink's still not quite dry on the script.
See how easy this is? I would rather see you in any position of command, because you stated in 5 simple points what these assholes can't say in a 5 hour session.
Simple is good. Also: The US will fuck this one up even more (is that even possible?). Maybe you could hold a Golf turnier and have Obama play against the opponents in Irak. I'm sure he would lose that as well. Bet Saddam Husseins cousins play better Golf...
It's not our country though. (US that is) It's been co-opted by asshole bankers and fucking lawyers with holli-weirdoes.
You cannot have 18 to 20 percent of the population feeling disenfranchised; feeling that it has no stake in the success of the country, in fact it has a stake in the failure of Iraq.
Oh, I dunno. Sounds a bit like the middle class in the West.
Sorry... didn't see your post first. I was too incensed by the same quote...
Here is the Petreus note to Obama:
Hey B Man - Big Dave here. As you know, the CFR has been worried how this deal is playing out. Kissenger told me to play "team red" for a little while longer. Expect a published interview where I seemingly disagree with you on Iraq policy. Just wanted to give you a heads up (its all bullshit) and let you to know we are still homies.
Yours,
Big Dave
ps. you looked great in that sun dress at the last CFR meeting. Oh, almost forgot - death to america.
Note? That shit is all communicated through handshakes and winks. If it ever is discussed out loud?
What happens in the bath house, stays in the bath house.
Cocksucking YES Man backing up and eating cheese.
"Scuse me while I Barf!
Well considering the surge was so 'successful' they should do it again... and again.... and again. I figure in 1000 years it will be a success. No?
The one thing about having all these bush cronies pulled out of the closet and placed centre stage on my tv is the reminder of how batshit crazy those guys are. Obama is bad sure, but those guys are batshit.
I forgot how insane that admin was - and I don't mean insane as a euphemism, those guys are literally insane as far as I can tell. Charging them with war crimes doesn't even make sense, send them straight to the sanatarium.
James you are probably on to something there. I think this way they don't have to announce 50 thousand deaths like after Vietnam, this way we can invade 10 different times and say we only lost 4800 troops in each campaign! Briliant I say, but in a not so funny way.
NOT winning
I should've specified, in 1000 yrs each one will have been a success.
Your math is absolutely correct as well. It's like goldilocks, need the just right number. Too few or too many starts to become problematic. And civilians, fuck em. 'merican interests and all, because in no way shape or form could high civil causalities ever come back to haunt...i.e. folks forming violent militias swearing death to america. NOT gunna happen folks! Nope no way, no how.
Indeed! Plus we can't forget middle Muricans sitting around the tv at dinner time watching Mcinsane's liver eatin rebels, however memory is short in tvland and in the future the Mcain part will be long forgotten. Sad!
John Ashcroft singing still gives me the creeps. You can't make this shit up. Scary.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbU9BZYcg1Y
Petraeus is totally owned by the Deep State, and is saying this to provide Obumber with cover to not call in airstrikes. Nothing Petraeus says or does is to be trusted as not having some evil motive in furtherance of the Deep State.
What's happening these past few days make it crystal clear to me that ISIS is a CIA/SA/Mossad creation, and it would appear a relatively weak one at that given that they don't do so well against real armed resistance (except perhaps against the new Iraq Army which was designed to collapse on command when the secret code word is uttered by the CIA psyops handlers that trained them).
Maliki was being really cruel asking Obugger to call in airstrikes knowing full well that ISIS is really a product of US design. How embrassing to have to call in airstrikes on your own folks to keep up the farce that they are not...
Now I just read that Obugger won't call in airstrikes UNTIL MALIKI STEPS DOWN. More confirmation it seems to me that Maliki is onto the ISIS fraud and sees it for what it is, a CIA/SA/Mossad front against Iran.
Well said, after seeing yesterdays investment report of ISIS everyone with even a half brain must see that banksters (meaning the US FED banks) are behind this army.
Would you want to deal with the Wookie, if it found out? I wouldn't...
Is Obozo committing adultry if he is pretending to bang a man that is pretending to be a woman?
Ex General Petrie Dish is not one to be believed, on any matter
"Petraeus" is an anagram for "East Peru."
I rest my case.
No. Adultery has to do with preserving the sperm-egg traceability for lineage and inheritance. Competing affection or action endangers that formal arrangement.
That's what Yahweh/Elohim had in mind, but since that was too complicated for sheep shaggers, he gave them the short version.
I saw that video on youtube. Crazy stuff but the evidence is rather damning and I totally believe it.
They are known to rip off arms when angered....
Isn't Petraeus the one who started shapeshifting so bad he had to pretend to faint, whereby fellow lizard-men such as McCain rushed over with water all the while shielding the action from the camera....
I don't have much to argue against what Petraeus has said above.
But.
He is wrong in one context. It's an ugly one, but all things should be considered.
Yes, it's bad to be seen taking sides Shia vs Sunni -- unless you 100% wipe out those you side against. Kill them all, no more tension.
Get someone suicidal to give the orders, wipe them out, then the guy who ordered it commits suicide and done.
"Get someone suicidal to give the orders, wipe them out, then the guy who ordered it commits suicide and done."
Oh please pick obozo.
With Great Risk comes Great Rewards...
Except in the Middle East.
Some Zhers believe ISIS is simply another group of "Crisis Actors" in SUVs.
Sorta what this US Marine veteran wrote about Sandy Hook
Sandy Hook Redux: Obama officials confirm that it was a drill and no children died (158726)
Fetzer's a shill and you're a troll. What else ya got? How bout you shut the fuck up and learn a little instead of blabbing whatever the message is you're trying to get across? Thanks.
People who post "shut the fuck up" are typically statists. At least that's my experience.
You cannot have 18 to 20% of the country feeling disenfranchised.
You need to get that up to 99% like in the US.
Beat me to it. (and said it better to boot)
This part left me almost speechless.
“You cannot have 18 to 20 percent of the population feeling disenfranchised; feeling that it has no stake in the success of the country. . .
I can only assume it works better at 80%??? 90%????
If you're a white hetersexual male who believes in free markets, you can't be disenfranchised.
Sorry... missed yours as well...
Correct me if I am wrong but wasn't Petraeus around when the military was training and arming ISIL in Northern Jordan in 2012?
Who asked him anyway. He is a washed up faithless letch ... that is what the MSM led us to believe, right?
The "surge" involved US killing lots of Iraqi civilians and bribing Iraqi tribal leaders. It was never going to produce a long-term resolution to a broken nation which the US decided to break.
Killing lots of Iraqi civilians? From what source is said declarative statement based? Bribing Iraqi tribal leaders....so? That's the way business is conducted in that part of the world.
The great wisdom is: If the Muslims want to fight each other, DON'T get in the way.
oil and Israel notwithstanding, of course.
Of course. At least, be consistent.
Can't argue with an attractive NY Poke, or your argument.
Petraeus dared say that Israeli and American interests aren't always the same... that was it for him. I was reminded of the sheer horror of an American general not being able to state an obvious fact when Fat Christie had to "apologize" to Sheldon Adelson for saying that the Occupied Territories are "occupied."
http://americanfreepress.net/?p=7373
Keep waiting for the CIA/DIA American Patriot coup.... but the ZOG is far too entrenched, and besides, is able to exist in plain sight yet forbid any discussion of its power over the US economic/banking and political systems. Good grief.
Does The Brotherhood exist?
You have to understand that the source of the Israeli success in getting people to apologise and fall into line is their "zero tolerance" policy against any critic no matter how small. As a result they have built up this incredible machine which attacks unrelentlessly any person or organization until it gets what it wants.
You have to admire their tenacity but not their morals.
Nihil perpetuum est...
I can't admire anything so abjectly dishonest, hypocritical, ethnocentric, racialist, bloodthirsty, supremacist, and myopic.
If David Duke were a Jew he'd be a member of AIPAC and above criticism.
http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Security-Watch/Backchannels/2013/1007/Rabbi-Ovadia-Yosef-in-his-own-words
When you always claim to be acting in your self-defense, and when you think you are spiritually above sin, and a "sacred victim" you don't see the blood on your hands, and see demons as angels.
Correct o pan.
Abie foxman, mark "rat face" potok, morris " the hustler " dees and their ilk make the revarund jackson and the revarund sharptounge look like feeble amateurs!
I see that you took my advice and changed your avatar/user id....David Duke-Daffy Duck.
"To learn who rules over you, simply find out whom you're not allowed to criticize" - Voltaire
"Men will never be free until the last king is strangles with the guts of the last priest" - Diderot
Organized religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich, and keeps them working and dying for them. That's why they invented saints and heroes: to set an example for other sheeple.
p.s. Medals and vanity titles are a lot cheaper than titles with real assets and land. Hey, Petraeus, got medals?
Jim Carrey "Really!" (from Ace Ventura)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2MPoqqzwdY (0:11)
Petraeus never cleaned up the Shiites in Basra so maybe he should take this opportunity to stay the fuck out of the news.
If you sleep with camels you wake up with fleas. This applies equally to the US and Iraq. Each side is as bad as each other. Two wrongs don't make a right, they just make for a worsening blunder as we can now all see.
I thought you were talking about Petraeus . . .
Losers giving advice to losers.
who gives a shit - get the fucking drones out and finish the job right
Petraeus was at the Bilderberg confernce and so there is no way in hell this is a man to be trusted any longer.
Never to be trusted at all...
I say let's roll the dice, let's go for it! America! Fuck Yeah!
/s
High schools across the country just graduated a new crop of jobless poorly educated fodder. Suit them up and send them over. Except for my kids of course.
plausable denieability. a great risk with no consequense. thanks Davey Boy.
Does anyone care, what General Betrayus says?
He knows how to land the babes.
...when they are Mossad honeypots.
Glad you mentioned that flappy, such as possibly Natalie Portman, Scarlett Johansson, Mila Kunis, Winona Ryder, Kat Dennings. Cuz they all look so damn good.......until they look like Joan Rivers or Bea Arthur, ha ha ha ha. Yes Mongo is without a doubt...Tardo:-)
When the lame lead the lame both shall fall into a big muddy pit
David "The Surge" Petraeus
Good thing the Qu'aran is so clear about defining extremism.
ISIS . . . Just what is the correct pronounciation?
"Eye-Sis?" Tip of the Ice - berg?
"Is is," what Bill Clinton said?
"Isis," as in goddess?
"Game of Thrones?"
CIA rigged, IMHO
Isis - Goddess Of The Throne"...government is seen as fair and representative throughout the country."
Would someone please take a look at Washington DC? I think our military might be better served attacking the forces domestically who are occupying DC so the government can be returned TO THE PEOPLE.
America. The biggest supporter of a Global (Islamic) Caliphate.
The un contemplated question: What's going to happen when US Special Forces troops and Iranian Revolutionary Guards come face to face on the dusty streets of Baghdad?
The bigshots in the Whiethouse and the NSA probably had a good laugh spying on this guy and when they found out that he had an Army mistress and was screwing this broad bigtime then they had their weapon to boot him out. Don't imagine his wife was too impressed with him having sex with that broad either.
Gen. BetrayUs, Hitlery Rotten, Sens. Fineswine & McLame, Obomber (a/k/a the Kenyan Usurper or "K.U.")...
No wonder Umurka is turning into a $#!+#01e and renunciations of citizenship are increasing exponentially.
Since I don't watch much TV, or TV news or podcasts, I'm in the dark how to pronounce ISIS.
Then I remembered that GREAT song from yesteryear:
Vanilla Ice - Ice Ice Baby - YouTubeThe journalist Michael Hastings died one year ago today in Los Angeles in a strange and mysterious car crash. He said this on Piers Morgan Tonight , November 13, 2012 regarding General Petraeus.
he manipulated the White House into escalating Afghanistan. He ran a campaign in Iraq that was brutally savage, included arming the worst of the worst, Shiite death squads, Sunni militiamen. And then you go back to the training of the Iraqi army program that also had similar problems
Hastings also wrote in Buzzfeed on November 11, 2012 in the Sins of General David Petraeus
Petraeus’ entire philosophy has been based on hiding the truth, on deception, on building a false image. “Perception” is key, he wrote in his 1987 Princeton dissertation: “What policymakers believe to have taken place in any particular case is what matters — more than what actually occurred.”
He’s an impressive guy, a highly motivated individual, a world-class bullshit artist,
The Afghan war was a loser, always was, and always would be — Petraeus made horrible deals with guys like Abdul Razzik and the other Afghan gangsters and killed a bunch of people who didn’t need to be killed.
Saw this posted at Infowars (LOTS of ZH features get linked there)
Ingsoc
"I'm waiting for a media outlet to do a feature story on ISIS and how they arose from seemingly nowhere with the gear to be a legit army comprised of thugs and religious zealots. Perhaps the gun running debacle that was Benghazi played a role. Perhaps the US government built this terrorist army, freed its leadership from custody in a rush to pull out of and destabilize the region further, and has been playing a bloody game in the middle east for the last 25 years."
ALL going according to Game Plan
Shut the fuck up with your infowars...go post there. No one with any sort of critical thinking skills gives a shit about infowars. As I said before, you're a trolllllllll.
Fetzer a shill and I'm a troll?
USMC?
Eat shit and DIE, asshole PryMyThirdEye
Ha! So automatically because someone's in the "USMC" they're trustworthy? Whatever, they're "dumb, stupid animals to be used as pawns" all too willing to do the bankers bidding for them. Your all caps are really scary.
"Do not hesitate."
That's the only "advice" that has meaning right now.
There is no salvaging of the poll numbers at this point.
And doing nothing is not an option.
The bottom line is you can be Shiite Army's Air force if you wish. Victory is always in doubt. Doing nothing is why there is a crisis.
General Petreaus would indeed be a powerful political opponents as well.
"You cannot have 18 to 20 percent of the population feeling disenfranchised; feeling that it has no stake in the success of the country, in fact it has a stake in the failure of......"
Do the folks in Washington know about this because the average White American Male certainly does (and we're pissed off about paying taxes and getting nothing in return!)
We all like sky-high gas prices. No, our economy and the stability of the Middle East is too high a risk. Yep.
Has he pondered this at Pebble Beach yet?
I've been lurking/reading ZH for more than two years, a member for a month, and I NEVER saw your avatar, altho you, like a lot of trolls, are a member here forever.
So no one cares about Infowars? So when the Tylers fine work get relinked there, somehow no one with "critical thinking skills" should give a shit?
Like I said, eat shit and die. This is Fight Club dickwad.
Downvote away
One of the recent provocative ZH features to get relinked at InfoWars
Hat tip to the Tyler(s)
I'm seeing more and more ZH stuff appear there.
Not trying to redirect, but notice the number of comments.
This Is Not Going As Planned: Iraq Prime Minister Defies US, Accuses Saudi Arabia Of “Genocide” by Zero Hedge 117 Comments"You cannot have 18 to 20 percent of the population feeling disenfranchised; feeling that it has no stake in the success of the country, in fact it has a stake in the failure of......"
You hear that you dirty fcking politicians and you vile bureaucratic enforcers?Why would I pay any particular attention to a 4 Star General who durng his Iraq Theater Command committed "conduct unbecoming to an officer," only to then be awarded the CIA Directorship where the former behavior was not for public knowledge until his utility in lying for Obama regarding the Benghazi massacre expired. He is a disgrace; he was blackmailable and certainly put his ambition before his duty.
Boy that General Betray-Us is one swell guy!...
His words and wisdom are certainly invaluable and "missed"!
/bitter sarc
Stop sweating the small stuff, we have a bunch of illegals that need food stamps and a nice house to live in that should be getting our full attention
Posted earlier by Freddie: The ISIS Fiasco: It’s Really an Attack on Iran
Article offers a very interesting and fact based thesis on why the US is allowing a terrorist group to storm the gates of a "friendly" regime. Very good read.
Thanks for the read NZ
Adding insult to injury listening to the damage Kings "then" versus "now"... I'm in agreement with Whitney though this has the "Blue and White Star" seal of approval written all over it!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ey9tExYbjm8
Nihilist
Dude, fascinating read. I think we're on to something there.
Hey Asshole, I wish you woulda warned George W Bush 11 years ago.
Tons of people warned W years ago. Made NO difference to their preconceived agenda and plans.
People (even here on ZH) so often confuse a Pretext with a Reason for doing something, or not doing it.
Does anyone take this propaganda seriously? Can't have 20% feeling disenfranchised, heaven forfend. Uh what's the percentage in Egypt?
I'm sure the Sunni minority demands will be perfectly reasonable once the KSA tells them what the demands are.
The Axis of Evil(US, Israel, KSA)are determined to dominate MENA and crush all opposition. Everyone is expendable in pursuit of this goal not just Shiites. Christians, Kurds, the Muslim Brotherhood. The Brotherhood is a committed Sunni group but too independent. They won't accept the suzerainty of the Axis of Evil, therefore expendable.
The plan for MENA is shaping up to be pretty much back to Imperialism 1.0 with few if any differences. Absolutely no self determination under any format, political, religious, ethnic,tribal. You either take orders or there's a good squad coming for you.
Go jog your ass around Bilderberg u fascist fuck
http://www.infowars.com/video-general-petraeus-goes-for-a-jog-at-bilderb...
Petraeus = Eddie Barzoon
I have no problem with these folks killing each other. Lets encourage those mussies in Europe and America to go fight for their motherland against the heretical sect of their choosing. Maybe we should we aid them by giving them a box of bullets on the way out. This is a win - win situation folks.
Fred123
Fuck you. They are human beings.
As you sneer at the "Christian Taliban," right?
I don't remember sneering at anybody. Please help me remember.
he would turn his gun on US (people) if Obama ordered him to do it. He is NWO Hw is a tool.
The architect of the successful “surge” strategy
fuckin zionist jewish cock suckin shit kicker.
the sucess was done paying off fighters dumping 1000s tons of depleted uranium all over white phopsphorus burn munintions.
sound and resonance and compact low yield nukes.
this traitorious fucker will be going straight to hell which is handy as he is a satanist.
Petraeus rest in pieces i am sure your jewish friends have a nice plot for you in israhell"going straight to hell", you say? Interesting Jewish expression you used there.
You've already lost, if you bought into when you bought into the Genesis 1 thing (a fake paradigm), where the whole basis for Fiat Debt and Surrogate-Sacrifices is sold. These concepts preceded the Rothschild by thousands of years.
Imagine, an alleged geo-forming and life-creating (gene-splicing) space-tech entity, needing "sacrifices". Of any kind. What bullshit, and blatant "anthropomorphic projection", that is nothing if not self-serving for a Ruling and Shaman/Priestly class and commensurate lifestyle.
And of course I'm being sarcastic when I say "I know of starship captains who can pull off better tricks than presented in the Old Testament". But you get the point: Given a sufficiently advanced technology, the magic of a sorcerer or the powers and miracles of a god/God appear as one and the same. Clearly most humans are easily impressed by tech and bamboozled by their authority figures.
Wait... finally figured it out?
"The architect of the successful “surge” strategy that helped to quell the last great outbreak of sectarian violence in Iraq almost a decade ago said there was a great risk that the U.S. would be seen as picking sides in a religious battle that has been waged for generations."
Will someone please tell these retired generals that they are RETIRED! Oh wait you mean they're disinformation agents? No way they are august former servants of the Amurican Peoplezez.
Nice, but here's the statment from the Joint Chiefs I'm waiting for:
"There is great risk in continuing to support the Zionist state of Israel; top general urges President Paul to end military and foreign aid."
SO the Great General Betrayus speaks...
"You cannot have 45 to 50 percent of the population feeling disenfranchised; feeling that it has no stake in the success of the country, in fact it has a stake in the failure of the country."
Oh wait, sorry, we are talking about Iraq, not the USA.