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The Death Of The Rust Belt

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Submitted by Michael Snyder of The Economic Collapse blog,

Their names are familiar to all of us: Cleveland, Flint, Youngstown, Saginaw, Gary, Toledo, Reading, Akron, Flint and Buffalo were all once booming manufacturing cities that were absolutely packed with thriving middle class families.  But now most of the manufacturing jobs are gone and all of those cities are just shadows of their former selves.  When you drive through many of these communities, you will notice that a lot of people have a really hollow look in their eyes.  Decades of slow, steady economic decline have really taken a toll, and even the architecture in these cities looks depressed.  But despite all of the decay, there is still evidence that there was once something truly great about these communities.  Will we be able to recapture that greatness before it is too late?

A lot of writers make economics really complicated, but the truth is that it does not have to be.  For example, if you want your country to have a great economy it has got to produce wealth.  And one of the primary ways to produce wealth is to make stuff.  Immediately after World War II, the United States had the greatest manufacturing base the world had ever seen and we outproduced the rest of the planet combined.  Great manufacturing cities sprouted up all over America and the middle class thrived.  It was truly a great time to be an American.

But then we decided to start shipping in cheaper products from overseas.  At first it didn't create too much of a problem for our massive economy, but eventually the floodgates opened up and we lost tens of thousands of manufacturing facilities and millions upon millions of good paying jobs.  Our labor pool was merged with the labor pool of countries such as communist China where it is legal to pay slave labor wages to manufacturing workers.  Needless to say, our workers could not compete with that and our middle class started to shrink rapidly.

Today, there are many American cities that were once truly great that are now truly frightening to visit.  For example, a recent CNBC article detailed the plight of Reading, Pennsylvania...

In August 2008, factory workers David and Barbara Ludwig treated themselves to new cars—David a Dodge pickup, Barbara a sporty Mazda 3. With David making $22 an hour and Barbara $19, they could easily afford the payments.

 

A month later, Baldwin Hardware, a unit of Stanley Black & Decker, announced layoffs at the Reading plant where they both worked. David was unemployed for 20 months before finding a janitor job that paid $10 an hour, less than half his previous wage. Barbara hung on, but she, too, lost her shipping-dock job of 26 years as Black & Decker shifted production to Mexico. Now she cleans houses for $10 an hour while looking for something permanent.

 

They still have the cars. The other trappings of their middle-class lifestyle? In the rear-view mirror.

I once had an aunt that lived in Reading.  She is dead now, and so is most of the city.  At this point, more than 40 percent of those living in Reading are impoverished and the city government is flat broke.

But similar things could also be said about the rest of the Rust Belt...

Perhaps no other region in the country has more eerie examples of urban decay than the once dominant industrial region known as the Rust Belt. Covering the Midwestern states of Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Ohio and Pennsylvania, the region is plagued by a number of abandoned factories, houses and buildings that lay in crumbling ruins.

You can see some incredible photographs by Seph Lawless of the decay in the Rust Belt right here.  The pictures are incredibly depressing, but it doesn't take too much imagination to see that these cities were once truly impressive.

Just take Gary, Indiana for instance.  It was once known as "the Magic City" because it was doing so well, but now it is a rotting, decaying hellhole.  The following is from an excerpt from a Daily Mail article about Gary...

Gary, a struggling city 30 miles south of Chicago along the shores of Lake Michigan, is a prime example of the trend.

 

Known as the ‘Magic City’ in the roaring 1920s for its spectacular growth, Gary is still home to U.S. Steel's largest plant, but the number of mill jobs has shrunk to 5,000 from 30,000 in the 1970s.

 

Gary's population in 1960 was more than 178,000, but it disintegrated to just 79,000 by 2012.

 

Some one-third of its residents live in poverty and the home and business vacancy rate is about 35 percent. Gary recorded 43 murders in 2012 - three times as many per capita as nearby Chicago.

At one time, Gary was the envy of the rest of the globe.

But now very few people would ever want to willingly live there.

The following is how James Kunstler described what he saw when he traveled through Gary, Indiana...

Between the ghostly remnants of factories stood a score of small cities and neighborhoods where the immigrants settled five generations ago. A lot of it was foreclosed and shuttered. They were places of such stunning, relentless dreariness that you felt depressed just imagining how depressed the remaining denizens of these endless blocks of run-down shoebox houses must feel. Judging from the frequency of taquerias in the 1950s-vintage strip-malls, one inferred that the old Eastern European population had been lately supplanted by a new wave of Mexicans. They had inherited an infrastructure for daily life that was utterly devoid of conscious artistry when it was new, and now had the special patina of supernatural rot over it that only comes from materials not found in nature disintegrating in surprising and unexpected ways, sometimes even sublimely, like the sheen of an oil slick on water at a certain angle to the sun. There was a Chernobyl-like grandeur to it, as of the longed-for end of something enormous that hadn't worked out well.

Sadly, what is happening to Reading and Gary is just a preview of what is slowly happening to the entire nation as a whole.

Since 2001, the United States has lost more than 56,000 manufacturing facilities.

That is absolutely astounding.

Most of those jobs have gone overseas.  That is why it seems like most of our products say "Made in China" these days.  They are getting rich while our communities suffer, and then we have to beg the Chinese to lend our money back to us.

Meanwhile, we have a permanent epidemic of unemployment in this country.  Back in the 1980s, over 20 percent of the jobs in the U.S. were manufacturing jobs.  Today, only about 9 percent of the jobs in the U.S. are manufacturing jobs.

And an astounding number of our young men are just sitting at home instead of doing something productive.  As I wrote about the other day, one out of every six men in their prime working years (25 to 54) do not have a job at this point.

Also, the percentage of working age Americans not participating in the labor force is up to 37.2 percent - a 36 year high.

Not only that, but the quality of our jobs has also steadily declined as we have lost good paying manufacturing jobs to overseas workers.

Right now, half the country makes $27,520 a year or less from their jobs.

No wonder the middle class is dying.

And of course there is so much more that could be said about this.  For even more numbers about our manufacturing decline, please see my previous article entitled "Shocking Facts About The Deindustrialization Of America That Everyone Should Know".

These problems were not created overnight, and they are not going to be solved overnight either.

But as a nation, we have got to understand that we cannot consume our way to prosperity.  That is only going to result in even more debt.

Instead, we have got to make the decision to produce our way to prosperity.

In other words, we have got to start making stuff in this country again.

That may sounds "crazy" to a lot of people, but it is possible.  We have just got to have the willingness to do it.

 

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Wed, 06/18/2014 - 20:35 | 4871778 A Lunatic
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What difference does it make..........??

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 20:39 | 4871787 Mr Pink
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Accidently drove through downtown Gary a couple of days ago. It smelled like what I imagine Hell smelling like. Every other building was burned out or crumbling and this was on a main street. I've never seen anything like it

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 20:42 | 4871792 I MISS KUDLOW
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in reading they sell overstock to the poor out of those big factory buildings

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 21:02 | 4871849 Mr Pink
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Not from the factories I saw. Most had a portion of the building missing.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 21:43 | 4871918 economics9698
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High taxes and no gold standard are responsible for trade deficits.  As long as it is cheaper to print and foreign countries accept the paper for real stuff the USA will lose jobs.  A gold standard would balance the current accounts deficit and bring back manufacturing jobs to America.

The rust belt declined because parasites thought the white man had unlimited resources and the ability to pay unlimited taxes.  Guess what?  People take that shit so long and then the first chance they get to move away they do.  As soon as the factories became obsolete the producers moved away from the parasites.  This is why there are so many empty factories. 

No one likes lazy mother fuckers stealing their shit.

Lived through this in Pontiac, Mi. 

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 21:52 | 4872017 RevRex
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Thank a Democrat Union for the destruction of our manufacturing base, and thank a Democrat Mayor for fucking up our big cities.....

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 21:55 | 4872028 economics9698
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Go Red Team!

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 22:07 | 4872070 Surly Bear
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I live in Buffalo and we are talking about building a billion dollar stadium for the Bills. We are so fucked.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 22:16 | 4872089 Mr Pink
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I live near Milwaukee and they want to build a new arena for the Bucks at a cost of about 300 million. The "old" one is a whole 30 years old

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 22:21 | 4872111 Cathartes Aura
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Colosseums.

entertainment while encouraging "team" mindsets/support.

rah.rah.rah.

Thu, 06/19/2014 - 00:35 | 4872346 DoChenRollingBearing
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A friend of mine moved to near Reading, PA from Texas because he landed a better job!  He told me that it was a real dump, the worst place he had ever lived.

He lasted less than a year with his crappy boss and nasty people he could not relate to.

He's now back in the Republic of Texas, which welcomed its son back home.

 

Thu, 06/19/2014 - 10:53 | 4873662 Theosebes Goodfellow
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Ah, yes, collosseums. What was that about bread and circuses?

Thu, 06/19/2014 - 19:06 | 4875686 mkkby
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This article is raciss.  You want to take jobs away from the Chinks, who have over a billion babies to feed? /s

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 23:20 | 4872306 Sven Sikztu
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I fled Buffalo/Niagara Falls last year for Texas-... Niagara Falls police and fire unions still have a rider for spousal plastic surgery in their benefit pkgs! Those stinking republicans have those two towns totally tied up. Avg income in Niagara Falls is $13,700...yet a starting salary for a school principal there is $90k plus benefits-- how the f#ck can republicans also control schools with such an iron fist?? But the irony is further pushed because the city is 30% black, yet police, fire & teacher jobs are around 90% WHITE! Can you believe the retardicans get away with this year after year?? just amazing. Yet every election the citizens/victims keep voting repulican. SOmebody should tell Schumer about this.

Thu, 06/19/2014 - 01:31 | 4872548 zaphod
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Not sure if this is a /sarc comment or not, so hard to tell these days.

But if not you should move to my current state of Kalifornia. The Dems have a 100% lock on everything, and I mean everything. And if you thought $90K was high for a prinical, many townships here have public "servants" retiring at 55 at $350K salaries with full pay for life. These retirement packages along are worth a $5M post-tax lifetime savings. Seriously move here, you'd love it.

Thu, 06/19/2014 - 02:07 | 4872586 SF beatnik
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@ Surlybear

Maybe the new stadium is to be repurposed as an internment facility.

Thu, 06/19/2014 - 11:00 | 4873703 Theosebes Goodfellow
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Heck yeah, Beatnik. But better yet, just take Candlestick, have another "last game" and have the attendees serve 5-15 instead of leaving. It'll take a load off San Quentin. Just be sure that Pelosi, Boxer and Feinstein, (ahem), ...attend.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 23:52 | 4872378 markpower49
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All these cities are Democrat/ progressive run. They need to die, along with the inhabitants. These people are evil.

Thu, 06/19/2014 - 04:20 | 4872688 sethstorm
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Thank a staffing agency for the destruction of any non-adversarial relationship at work.

Thu, 06/19/2014 - 07:08 | 4872797 junction
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I wonder if peasants in medieval Europe complained about whether their King was a Democrat or Republican as they got sent off to die in wasteful wars.  

Thu, 06/19/2014 - 09:11 | 4873149 The Shape
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Ain't this the fucking truth.

Fucking idiots pointing fingers about the false dichotomy as usual.

Seriously, just do us all a favor and stick the gun in your mouth and pull the trigger.

Anyone here still bitching about political parties is a walking abortion.

 

Please. Kill. Yourself.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 22:12 | 4872081 jaxville
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   Your close but its not so much a matter of not having a gold standard as it is allowing fractional reserve banking and credit based money. The financial sector stole a huge amount of wealth through that system. They used that wealth to buy power and public support for their globalist schemes. Removal of tarrifs and trade rules meant highly skilled/paid workers are now competing with foreigners who work for a bowl of rice.

 

   Things will get worse until every last bit of productive wealth has been squeezed dry. It's no doubt that the scoundrels behind our current money system have sizable influence in the countries where America's wealth is relocating. If the West doesn't wake up soon and take decisive measures against those who now own their gov't, media, financial sector etc, third world nation status will arrive shortly.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 22:23 | 4872115 WonderDawg
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Howdy neighbor. I'm a Jax guy myself.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 23:43 | 4872360 DoChenRollingBearing
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Seven hours South of you guys.

Thu, 06/19/2014 - 03:25 | 4872651 zhandax
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Six if you get lucky and get behind one of the Dept of Agriculture guys doing 90.

Thu, 06/19/2014 - 19:16 | 4875725 mkkby
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Half the people here would be working for a bowl of rice, if not for welfare in it's many forms.  The only difference between the US and third world shit holes is reserve currency status.  Being able to print Yellen bucks that still buy things is all that's holding the wheels on the wagon.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 22:21 | 4872110 WonderDawg
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The FairTax would go a long way toward bringing capital back to these shores immediately. No corporate tax to avoid, keep operations close to home, large labor pool. It would be the most logical fix with immediate results. And with no income tax, the IRS would be out of business. But, unfortunately, I don't expect it to ever happen.

Thu, 06/19/2014 - 00:23 | 4872447 TimmyB
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Maybe if we allowed third world peasants to flood the country, and abolished the minimum wage so they could be treated as semi-slaves, them manufacturing would move back.

Or we could raise tariffs to what they were in the 1960's.

Thu, 06/19/2014 - 03:34 | 4872663 zhandax
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I should be preaching to the choir, rather than shouting at a brick wall.  This is not complicated.  As long as you allow a bunch of multi-national trusts to run this country, to attain critical mass via M&A, this is what you get.  Bust those leaches up, turn the S&P 500 into 50,000 small companies, and the problem is mostly solved.  The founding fathers understood this, and I can't comprehend why it is such a foreign concept today.  Even here.

Thu, 06/19/2014 - 03:50 | 4872670 economics9698
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End the Fed.

Thu, 06/19/2014 - 17:32 | 4874196 NihilistZero
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The founding fathers understood this, and I can't comprehend why it is such a foreign concept today.  Even here.

Because, socialisim.  To many libertards think free market utopia is right around the corner if we can just eliminate the minimum wage.  I'm an anarchist.  I also know .gov is going nowhere soon.  So while they're here I'll gladly support some lefty policies like those of Kucinich or maybe Grayson.  Fuck these large corps sucking at the .gov teet while at the same time crying over regulation.

Big Biz backed by .gov enforced trade suicide killed manufacturing in this country, not unions.  Tax their foreign holdings and goods out the ass and reinstate tarrifs so we can eliminate the income tax.  

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 23:00 | 4872240 asking4it2k
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Other countries have high import tariffs and protectionist trade policies. USA does not. We need to change that.

Thu, 06/19/2014 - 02:13 | 4872598 SF beatnik
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All I know is, I'm buying almost everything I will ever need, NOW, at Walmart and the Dollar Stores, while stuff is still almost free... underwear, toothpaste, soap, shirts, pants, shoes - you get the picture.

Once the USA fucks China out of its US Treasury holdings, a pack of underdrawers will cost a week's wage, just like it does in China.  

Enjoy it while it lasts.

 

Thu, 06/19/2014 - 12:55 | 4874220 NihilistZero
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Bullshit.  Technology and mass manufacturing are natural deflationary forces.  We had a nice equiibrium between wages and cost of goods as well as a huge middle class up until they decided to bankrupt the country fighting Vietnam.  Once that event allowed Nixon to destroy honest money the whole thing fell apart.

Thu, 06/19/2014 - 08:22 | 4872946 barre-de-rire
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you have to understand that in europa, the problem is the same,  even french says " no protective jobs, look usa, foreign compagny wanna install, pay taxes here or get the fuck out, national preference, we do not apply that in france", we can ear all days in medias.

 

problem is not really protectionism, fed or not fed, free market of not.

 

the problem of the dumping is the world cannot stabilize until EVERY human being is paid same wage for same amount of work, this is end of slavery, total balance over humans value.

 

this is not acceptable for old civlizations. (took times to get where we are )

 

but if you pay  american & chinese & french & african 20$/h, no more reason to do dumping. local production, local consuming.

usa go back to famous steel production,

french return to  famous food quality & luxe

germany for factories, china... rice, or whatsoever they are good at...

 

mondialization is the most big error/mistake humanity made. that killed each country specificities.

 

sad.

Thu, 06/19/2014 - 12:19 | 4874033 Matt
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So, your solution is a global minimum wage (in a global currency) and get rid of automation and do everything by hand?

Thu, 06/19/2014 - 00:19 | 4872436 TimmyB
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High taxes and the lack of a gold standard have little to do with the death of manufacturing in this country. Instead, the people who own this country paid Congress to pass laws making it economically advantageous to move manufacturing overseas.

Thu, 06/19/2014 - 02:02 | 4872578 economics9698
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Just imagine being a tribe member when a Mexican came to your bank for delivery of a few gold bars.  God damn right the gold standard would mean a balance of trade.

 http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/NETFI

Thu, 06/19/2014 - 19:23 | 4875756 mkkby
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Timmy, 4+ years and you STILLL HAVE NO CLUE about how a gold standard works?  On a gold standard, US would have such high inflation that we would become the global cheap labor and China would become expensive.  So, yes, manufacturing would come back.

I guess reading ZH for several years still can't cure stupid.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 23:30 | 4872330 Kirk2NCC1701
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RIP.  Rust In Pieces.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 21:05 | 4871857 zaphod
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The problem is partly outright treason by the US government in opening up the US's boarders to full trade while not demanding the same from other nations, but it's also due to the entitlement mentality that is widespread today, but not in the 1920s-50s.

Many people in the US, including some mentioned in this article, simply assumed you could coast by and not work hard, and jobs would magically always be available and high paying. That has never been true at any point in history. If a nation loses it's work ethic, the nation loses it's wealth. 

After going directly from the rust belt to Asia, and seeing how unentitled and hardworking and educated people are there, it is not possible to blame the US government alone. It is the latest generations that simply expect plenty but do not expect to work for it. 

Personally I believe it was a combination of the FED enabling a false and unsustainable wellfare state that eroded America's work ethic. Can it come back, maybe, maybe not.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 21:12 | 4871876 disabledvet
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Freedom.  Democracy.  AND STUFF!

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 21:16 | 4871886 Son of Loki
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So. 49 million moar without jobs = 49 million moar EBT'ers and section 8'ers.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 21:37 | 4871957 economics9698
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Importing millions of 93 IQ workers did not help, 47% are on welfare.  Mixing the 85 IQ kids with the 100 IQ kids really fucked up the schools.  The tribe could care less, they will move on.  Their wallet is fat.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 21:55 | 4872029 thamnosma
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Guaranteed votes for Demonrats.

Thu, 06/19/2014 - 00:14 | 4872427 Never One Roach
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Off topic but interesting:

 

x-Goldman Trader Says Bonus Cut to $8.25 Million Unfair

 

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-06-18/ex-goldman-trader-says-bonus-cu...

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 21:17 | 4871893 Anusocracy
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The dupes want a Soviet Union size government micromanaging every aspect of the economy and then they are baffled about why they have a Soviet Union sized economy.

Stupid useless fools.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 21:50 | 4872007 yogibear
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It's all about reducing costs ( wages) and increasing profits.

Corporations aren't around to create jobs, their around to make as much money as possible. If they can hire people for $2.50/hour rather than $7.50 an hour what do you think they will would do?

Thu, 06/19/2014 - 15:53 | 4875025 Anusocracy
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What would you do?

Thu, 06/19/2014 - 19:26 | 4875769 mkkby
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End the fed and go back to sound money, then the system rights itself.  It's really that simple.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 20:43 | 4871795 CCanuck
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The Truck stops have a huge lot lizard population, add to GDP and Gary is a boomtown again.

 

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 21:40 | 4871971 economics9698
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You need to add in drugs and prostitution to the GDP.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 20:44 | 4871797 NuckingFuts
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Ya haven't been to East St. Louis for a while have you?

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 20:52 | 4871824 kliguy38
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Not if you have a brain left.... Russian Roulette trip if you do

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 20:59 | 4871839 Mr Pink
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It's been a few years since I've been to St. Louis but when I was there I thought the whole city was pretty damn scary

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 20:52 | 4871825 Joe_in_Indiana
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I live 10 miles south of Gary, IN. Pitiful and @repvisclosky still has no plan for jobs.

All they want are handouts.  The School board are all paid over $100k, the mayor can't get rid of them.

 

The students have no paper or  pencils, crayons, etc. --all goes to the schoolboard salaries.

 

 

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 22:34 | 4872143 ghengis86
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I used to live in Griffith, IN, just south of Gary. Going up Cline ave into Gary and then on to Chicago was a sight to behold. US Steel and the Port of Indiana was amazing. Those buildings were (and still are) huge!!! And at night the train car tanks full of molten iron would glow. What an amazing industry there.

But, the place went downhill like the rest of the Rust Belt. Now that drive up Cline is still amazing but for the wrong reasons. It's unreal that these behemoth factories now sit idle, rusting like the rest of the area. And instead of a steady stream of Great Lakes barges, the most popular vessels in the water are the casino boats, filled with people who can barely rub two nickels together, putting it all in on the worst-odds-ever penny slots. A section of the Cline Ave bridge was deemed unsafe due to poor upkeep and disrepair; it was demolished, severing a main artery into Chicago. They're still arguing over whether to rebuild it or not, and how they are going to do it since they're all flat broke. Looking for state and federal handouts of course. That bridge is the perfect metaphor for the region ; once, greatness; but then squandered. Cheaper to demolish than salvage; visions of grandeur to restore, but no money or jobs to fund it.

You can still take a scenic drive up Hwy 41 into Chicago, it's Lakeshore Drive afterall. I prefer starting on the Gold Coast, in front if the Drake Hotel, and wind all your way all the way down to Hammond, manufacturing wasteland to the South and West, Skyscrapers in the rearview and Lake Michigan to the East.

So sad and depressing

Thu, 06/19/2014 - 09:03 | 4873118 Redhotfill
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Remember,  It's for the children.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 21:09 | 4871873 falconflight
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I'm repeatedly reminded that white priviledge is the cause and result.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 21:21 | 4871910 Charles Nelson ...
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It's not just white privilege. You should see how the entitled blacks live in the NE. Holy jumpin shiitballs can they spend money while the rest of their race rots.

Let's call it what it really is US entitlement that covers many races.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 21:41 | 4871974 falconflight
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Sorry, I forgot the sarc tag.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 23:54 | 4872385 markpower49
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Blacks destroy every place they inhabit. We need a civil war.

Thu, 06/19/2014 - 08:18 | 4872936 Herodotus
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In 1860, they all had a job to go to every morning where they did something productive.

Thu, 06/19/2014 - 08:20 | 4872939 Charles Nelson ...
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That's a little much....

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 22:27 | 4872126 BandGap
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"Accidentally drove through downtown Gary"? and lived?

Fuck, Gary = Flint = Peoria = Youngstown............

PS Cleveland is dead. Push the fucking thing into the lake.

Love, Charleton Heston.

 

Thu, 06/19/2014 - 01:51 | 4872565 Bárðarbunga
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Right. And did you notice how fucked up Flint is? The writer of the article thought it was so bad he listed it twice in the same sentence.

Thu, 06/19/2014 - 02:21 | 4872603 SF beatnik
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Cleveland is NOT DEAD,  It just has a malignant growth, or two, within the central city. Might need a surgical removal. 

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 20:46 | 4871801 CCanuck
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What difference does it make.........You did'nt build that.

Thu, 06/19/2014 - 05:45 | 4872729 Frankie Carbone
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Unions are inherently greedy and evil. See how much better off the United States has become now that we have effectively neutered them? 

Unions should have never had a say in matters because workers are merely resources, like coal, oil, zinc, and iron ore. You don't negotiate with a pile of ore over whether it is to be housed under a roof or exposed to the elements, do you? Than why negotiate with human resources? 

All I can say is Thank God that the unions have been destroyed and that corporations now rule the roost. We're so much better off than we were 30 years ago that you'd have to be an idiot not to bash unions, right? /sarcasm. 

 

Now here comes the idiocy. Let me pre-empt you. The argument is: It was unions that created the rust-belt in the first place, right? Because they wanted too much money. 

 

NO, it was corporate money and idiotic mind control methods that have conditioned you to think that globalism is good, competition with labor in China, Somalia, and Indonesia is good, and protectionism and tarriffs bad!. Bad! Bad! Bad! Bad!

Now, don't get a black eye with that knee jerk of yours. Think about this. How are you ever going to compete with labor from 3rd, now 2nd, and soon becoming 1st world nations? 

You can't. And guess what? The WHITE collar jobs have moved offshore. So your programming has aided in lifting up those nations and lowering us to 2nd, and soon to be 3rd world status. 

Guess who paid for the programming that is making you knee jerk? Why corporate American and their shell institutions that have "educated you". 

Remember the promise that new job sectors would open up? Well they did. Greeter at Wal-Mart, part-time coffee hostess at Starbucks. Great. 

Ideological (R) idiocy has ruined this nation. We want to self-destruct because ideologically, we have been programmed to worship corporate America. Corporate America hates organized labor, therefore you too hate organized labor. 

Now they're coming for your white collar job, and you're bitching?

Pied piper led the rats right off the cliff. 

Love thy neighbor. If we had followed that then half this self destruction would of, and could have been prevented. 

OK mindless purists, bash away. Let's see the reflexes kick into gear. Don't think now. Emote! React! And then think about where the source of that reflex came from. Do a little soul searching. 

Thu, 06/19/2014 - 06:49 | 4872774 RafterManFMJ
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I do agree - much laughter was had by the white collar and .gov types as the so-called smokestack jobs were off-shored.

I personally witnessed the malevolence, the anger and hatred that some dude with a high school diploma was pulling 6 figures (while working turns and doing 70 hour weeks).

"It just isn't right! I've got a Masters in Looking Busy!" They cried.

Too stupid to see that after the blue collar jobs were drained away, the white collar ones would be next...and now that is accelerating.

And the monolithic educational establishment will be next... You'll see 1/2 of Amurika's universities bankrupt and gone within 20 years. Can't wait for some Masters of African studies professor to be bagging my groceries; I'll have a nickel tip for him, and deliver it by bouncing it off his forehead.

Thu, 06/19/2014 - 08:17 | 4872928 SWRichmond
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+1 frankie and rafterman.  Unions were and and are a necessary counterbalance to corporate and government power.  any review of labor practices early in the last century will confirm this.  and just like corporations and governments when they got too big they forgot their original missions and became corrupt vehicles for enriching the chosen few by skimming wealth from the masses, getting them to go along with pie in the sky promises.  there are no surprises here.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 20:35 | 4871779 Taint Boil
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And Detroit ??????

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 20:40 | 4871789 I MISS KUDLOW
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larry kudlow always used to talk about his escalade that was built in detroit

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 21:05 | 4871862 Crawdaddy
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Kudlow is spanish for "neocon kneepads"

Thu, 06/19/2014 - 09:15 | 4873174 Redhotfill
Wed, 06/18/2014 - 20:36 | 4871780 CCanuck
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And don't forget Flint.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 21:08 | 4871871 effendi
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How can anyone forget Flint, it was listed twice in the opening list of rustbelt cities so it must be twice as bad as the others.

I looked at those 30 photos, amazed to see that people had left behind what had been good furniture, even a nice piano. Probably thought the closures would be temporary and they would soon reopen. Hard to be optimistic when you see how badly it has played out for others.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 22:46 | 4872184 RECISION
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Flintflint - for when one Flint, just isn't enough.

Thu, 06/19/2014 - 01:52 | 4872570 Bárðarbunga
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Crap. That's what I get for not reading four posts ahead and making MY comment.

Flint. It's a nice place to be FROM.

Thu, 06/19/2014 - 08:31 | 4872977 barre-de-rire
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beethoven would loved the place.

 

flintflintflintflint....

Thu, 06/19/2014 - 08:54 | 4873077 Deer Hunter
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People wake up. The American middle class stood in the way of  NWO. We must go the same way as the American Indians. But when the awaking comes for the American people, it will be bloody but too late none the less. Enjoy today, tomorrow doesn't come for everyone.

This is the day that the Lord has made, let us rejoice and be glad in it.

 

P.S. We don't abort 55 million of our fellow countrymen and walk away from that Sin.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 20:38 | 4871786 A Lunatic
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We have to get rid of all of our manufacturing so we can see where it went...........

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 20:46 | 4871805 COSMOS
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Its never coming back, the Chinese are  not dumb, they wont let a single piece of machinery leave that country.  Unlike the dufuses in the USA who packed up our machines and moved the assembly lines to China all these past years.  All those assembly lines will keep making tools and power equipment and computers and whatever else you can dream of for the rest of the world, stamped made in China and they will sell it for Remibis and not US dollars.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 21:07 | 4871866 Crawdaddy
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Of course it can come back. The only reason it left was because of fake market controls. I t didn't leave because they could do it better or cheaper. It left because the globalist assclowns wanted to kill off the main competition to their NWO - the US middle class.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 21:18 | 4871889 I MISS KUDLOW
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steve jobs before he died said "never" to coming back as far as all those line jobs making ipods etc,,,,,on world news tonight the new CEO said that one model computer would be manufactured here and our news media made a huge deal of about 100 jobs,,,,,,,we are fucked

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 21:26 | 4871923 Son of Loki
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"Chinese are not dumb" is right! My in-law is a buyer for retail stores and said the Chninese are already packing out of Vietnam and returning to China where a tiny increase in wages for those Chinese peasants far outweighs the crap they have to put up with in Vietnam. She also said the Cambodians and Burmese are much more receptive to having jobs and factories move to their country then Vietnamese are.

It's going to be interesting to see how it all pans out but there's one thing for certain as you say and Steve Jobs said, "Jobs ain't coming back to Merika."

Thu, 06/19/2014 - 08:39 | 4873010 barre-de-rire
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china started to delocalize production  10 years ago.

guess why not  more cloths no longer comes from china but madagascar, mauritania....

you understand now why china as invaded africa in 2000 ?

next step is to manufacture stuff by blacks.

 

 

Thu, 06/19/2014 - 14:26 | 4874630 Kobe Beef
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"next step is to manufacture stuff by blacks." 

Been there, done that, didn't work. See Flint, Camden, Baltimore, etc. The idea that a people who never invented the wheel could manufacture heavy machinery is sheer Multikult lunacy.

 

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 20:45 | 4871800 benkei54
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This is ancient news. Buffalo went into the tank in the 70's and now is actually enjoying a small renaissance with low housing prices and infrastructure built to support 40% greater population. The article fails to mention some other crushing burdens -  the taxes imposed by NYS and the state public employee pension obligations. Oh and don't foget looting the Niagara Falls power generation for the benefit of everyone in the state but Western NY.

Some very rough areas though.  If you are driving on a street named Orange or Grape you are in serious trouble.

 

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 20:58 | 4871838 junction
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What state public employee pension obligations are you talking about?  New York State has some $120 billion in its pension fund, enough to cover all state employees if they could retire tomorrow.  Of course, the pension fund is looked on as a cash cow by Cuomo and his accomplices, to be spent on stuff like an unneeded new $8 billion Tappan Zee bridge.  

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 21:02 | 4871848 Big Corked Boots
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Beware the Fruit Belt!

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 21:23 | 4871914 A Lunatic
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Bewarerer of the ammo belt........

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 21:05 | 4871863 Almost Solvent
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Buffalo - Rochester - Syracuse - Binghamton - Ithaca - Watertown

 

HELD HOSTAGE BY ALBANY AND NYC 

 

Buffalo is 400 miles from NYCritters 

 

Upstate is NOT Westchester

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 22:01 | 4872049 NidStyles
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Watertown, oh boy what a cesspool....

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 20:46 | 4871803 Jack Burton
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We live on the edge of the rust belt. Far away, but directly connected to the old industrial economy. As American industry slowly died, we started sinking as demand by the steel industry dried up and Brazil and Australia began mega iron mining. Just when it looked darkest, along came China and soaked up all the iron ore Brazil and Australia could produce. This left a domestic market wide open and our mines and processing plants, rail roads and shipping ports came back to life. Iron mining ws back in business. The difference was that during the lean years of the late 80's thousands were laid off and old facilities taken down. The rebirth saw modernized facilites come on line and new labor contracts for willing workers. Production is back. Where once 5,000 men worked a mine and processing plant, 1,000 men do it now. A rail road with 1,000 workers, now runs with 200. Ships with crews of 50 are now run by 20 and many of them are third world rent a bums.

Production is going strong as long as China soaks up Brazil and Ozzy ore. But jobs? Nope, those are 1/10th what they once were and wages have been falling for two decades. Adjusted for inflation, a miners, a rail roaders or a plant workers wage has fallen in real terms by around 25%.

So even where business is back, it is back lean and mean and labor is powerless. The young are happy to work, the wage is now set by the company and is take it or leave it. Actually, they pay better than they have to in this labor market. It is just that they want to keep the good workers they do get, if you go too low, people are unwilling to do real work.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 20:55 | 4871833 Bemused Observer
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Yeah, sounds like a recipe for America's future success...*snort!*

It's a fucking tragedy, isn't it? How did we arrive at this surreal situation we find ourselves in?

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 21:00 | 4871840 disabledvet
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I think its kinda cool actually.  "Somebody built all that...but it was meaningless."

We were far wealthier as a people when we were just simple farmers.  The only reason we have all this debt is because of madcap industrialists and their crazy ideas.  If not for World War II none of this shit would have happened.

Don't even get me started on World War I. Pierre DuPont...I dare you to run for President again!

So "The Times They are a Confusin."

Fear not citizens! We have a plan!

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 22:24 | 4872101 Mr. Ed
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"The only reason we have all this debt is because of madcap industrialists and their crazy ideas."

By "we" I assume you mean US citizens (and their government's debt.)  Right?

Ya lost me there... industrialists caused our massive debt - not our squandering political class(!!!??) ...could you explain that a little?

 

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 23:12 | 4872284 Dead Man Walking
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disabledvet has a point there. I even read that before the civil war, the North was basically bankrupt, essentially due to high debt loads taken on by industry,etc.  They needed the south for their assets to fund the gubbermint.

Dont know how true any of that is.

What difference does it make.

Thu, 06/19/2014 - 04:48 | 4872701 Disenchanted
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re: "all this debt" Industrialists did it? Really??

WTF do you think put those "crazy ideas" in their heads?

 

I'll take financializers/banksters for trillion$ Alex

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 20:46 | 4871804 Cugel
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"But then we decided to start shipping in cheaper products from overseas."

Or rather, people overseas figured out how to produce things more efficiently. Barring foreign products wouldn't reverse this -- America would have lost its export markets first, and would continue to impoverish itself by buying more expensive goods on wages decreased by the loss of those markets.

Thu, 06/19/2014 - 08:44 | 4873036 barre-de-rire
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"" Or rather, people overseas figured out how to produce things more efficiently ""

 

if i put you front of table with electronic compound & ask you to assembly an ipod with a gun pointed at your head i think you become instantly a good cheap worker.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 20:47 | 4871807 I Write Code
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I agree with this post.

But conventional economics still wails on about comparative advantage ... and that's not all wrong, our friends the Chinese have reduced the cost of a lot of stuff, for those who still have jobs and money.  On the left it's apparently a meme that manufacturing is old stuff, doesn't matter anymore, of course what they really mean is that work doesn't matter anymore.

But most everyone says, if it wasn't China it would be automation and the effects would be largely the same, only we wouldn't have China to blame it on.  What then?  Wait, I know, the Obama Golf Corpse, all unemployed people are required to play two rounds of golf per week to receive their unemployment or welfare checks.  Hey, it works for him!

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 21:02 | 4871847 Oldwood
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Automation costs money. As long as labor rates were low automation was advancing very slowly. Look at the US versus Germany. Germany's labor force was shrinking while their relative rates were increasing. They are leaders in automation today, while we relied on illegals to keep wages low. Automation inside of a closed system is always balanced by cost and demand. Unemployed workers are not going to buy much, unless of course you loan them cheap money or even free entitlement money to buy cheap imported labor.?????

Our basic problem is that we have continued to buy cheap import labor with borrowed money Public and private)and this has hollowed out our economy, eliminating jobs and entire industries. If the "free" money had not been available we would not have been able to make this happen. Industry would have responded immediately to a sharp reduction in spending, and If Americans had refused to buy the cheap import labor, balance could have been preserved.

Instead we have taken the bait, believed the lie, and now the final bill is due with no means to pay it.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 21:36 | 4871951 Stuck on Zero
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When China embargoed rare earth metals we should have embargoed food exports. 

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 21:47 | 4871996 Oldwood
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We refuse to see our long term interests, only focusing on what we want right fucking now. Another symptom amplified by consumer debt. To stand on principles, and understand principles are almost always about long term consequences, is expensive in the short run.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 22:03 | 4872058 AGuy
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The US has lots of automated factories, but Chinese labor was dirt cheap so it was cheaper to let Chinese workers produce goods at 10 cents per hour instead of using automated factories. However the tide has changed and some US manufacturing is returning but its using automated factories. Another reason why companies moved to China was lax or no environmental regulations.

"If Americans had refused to buy the cheap import labor, balance could have been preserved."

Not sure that is true since in a lot of cases, the only product that was avaiable was from China. Lots of American assembled products also contained cheap chinese parts. By the Late 1970s and early 1980s most consumer electronics were made overseas (Japan). But by the mid 1990s most of the electronics were made in China instead. We just switch from one foriegn manufacturer to another.  Another problem was lack of quality with America products which started in the 1970s. Product quality nosed dived in 1970s which allowed Foriegn competitors to take Market share. Foriegn Manufactures continued to pound quality and price until US manufacturing companies were forced to move production to Asia.

Part of the problem is US culture. Too many hippies, drug users, and lazy workers, unable to complete with Asian workers.

"Instead we have taken the bait, believed the lie, and now the final bill is due with no means to pay it."

Well the US people will get what the deserve. They voted for the politicans, they wanted to smoke pot, consume mass qualities of alcohol and stay glued to thier TVs. How could it end any differently without changing the attitudes of americans and thier work ethics.

 

 

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 22:32 | 4872138 slightlyskeptical
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That is such a cop out blaming pot and work ethics. We are having issues because we refused to adopt a new paradigm aligned along with the productivty advances we experienced. How the fuck is a human suppose to compete with a machine? The truth is that we allowed the quest for profit to completely overwhelm social advancement.

Thu, 06/19/2014 - 00:15 | 4872430 AGuy
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"That is such a cop out blaming pot and work ethics. We are having issues because we refused to adopt a new paradigm aligned along with the productivty advances we experienced."

Sounds like something Barry would say!

". How the fuck is a human suppose to compete with a machine? The truth is that we allowed the quest for profit to completely overwhelm social advancement."

So we should go back to the Stone age and Pleasant farming? A Job for everyone! Tech Advancement isn't the problem and never has. 100 years ago the Assembly line ended custom built cars. The Assembly line was the begining of automation and yet more people got employeed in Auto manufacturing then before the assembly line. The problem is that there is no quality and no desire to become skilled. Germany has highly automated factories and they have no problem finding work for anyone interested in Manufacturing. Same too in Japan. You argument holds no water!

 

 

 

Thu, 06/19/2014 - 07:02 | 4872785 August
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Don't you mean Pheasant farming?

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 23:03 | 4872253 Real Estate Geek
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Fuck that competing with Asian workers bullshit.  Our consumer market has critical mass and dramatically higher living costs, and its workers shouldn't HAVE to compete--sans tariffs--with subsistence-level peasants slaving away in HazMat sites.

Cui bono, baby, cui bono.

 

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 20:49 | 4871816 Bemused Observer
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These once great places are the way they ARE because the jobs went away.

It wasn't because the people all got lazy and greedy, or because their neighbors took out a loan to put in a hot tub and new deck. It's because the jobs went away.
These folks were PAYING their way until the jobs left. Now they are just trying to hang on, and things deteriorate fast under those conditions.
I've seen the pictures of old Detroit neighborhoods...what I notice is that those houses WERE once nice, lived in by folks who obviously gave a shit...They weren't McMansions, but they were a source of pride for their owners. But then those owners lose a job, or are downsized wage-wise, and soon the payments can't be made, and they leave.
The lawn becomes a weed-meadow, the windows get broken, then boarded up. Graffiti appears, along with trash and debris. The schools have been so de-funded that no one in their right mind with kids would move there, so all the welfare moms get shoved into those deteriorating houses, whose investor-owners bleed for cash and do not maintain...then you get the crack houses and the gangs, and it's all over...
Sad, so incredibly sad.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 21:20 | 4871903 Oldwood
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The jobs didn't just go away, we sent them away. We borrowed cheap money from the same big businesses that were selling us cheap imported stuff, eventually becoming backstopped for their losses by us, the taxpayer. I cannot believe that Americans are so stupid as to not realize that to purchase massive amounts of cheap foreign labor would not have an effect on our job markets. Its just amazing to me, yet even crazier shit still goes on. We are still voting for government to give us free shit while we are watching the national debt meter run towards the sky. Our delusion seems to know no bounds, but there are bounds, and we will see them, feel them and likely taste them as well.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 21:32 | 4871945 Son of Loki
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True that! I am amazed that labor unions support Democrats who support illegal immigrants who come in and then take away jobs from the labor unions with their very cheap labor. You would think the opposite.

 

Go figure.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 21:52 | 4872010 Oldwood
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Its always about "what's in it for me NOW". No one belives in the future anymore. It has already been sold...financialized by wall street. Fewer people are having children these days. Children were always our connection to the future. The future is now dead to most people.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 23:08 | 4872274 FredFlintstone
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The future ain't what it used to be.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 22:17 | 4872095 AGuy
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"It wasn't because the people all got lazy and greedy, or because their neighbors took out a loan to put in a hot tub and new deck. It's because the jobs went away."

No, Why did Americans choose Asian and German goods over US made goods? Could it be the quality of American made goods was crap? See GM for example. You can't say it was always about price since German goods are usually more expensive than US made goods. So what was the key factor? Quality!

The majority of Americans have very poor work ethics. Half of America is on drugs (illegal, prescription, or alcohol abuse). How can you expect quality from your typical American worker?

If Americans could somehow make quality goods that are just as good or better than German made goods we would once again become the manufacturing capital of the world.

Thu, 06/19/2014 - 20:10 | 4875989 mkkby
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BULLSHIT BULLSHIT BULLSHIT. C'mon ZHers, this is easy.

Blame everything on the fed and unbacked money printing.  We were bankrupted by Viet Nam/socialism and had to go off the gold standard to "soft" default on the debt.  The resulting 40 year trade imbalance had the effect we all just read about.

If we still had a gold standard, high inflation would make US workers the cheap labor and Chinese workers would become too expensive on a global basis. There would be a 40 year reversal of that trade imbalance.

Gold makes trade flows balance out. 

 

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 23:57 | 4872396 Cornfedbloodstool
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That and the American Negro

Thu, 06/19/2014 - 08:47 | 4873047 barre-de-rire
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lucky the only known addiction he has is minigolf inside the house.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 20:51 | 4871821 Oldwood
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I bought a fucking Mazda3 and I can't figure out where my job went?

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 20:53 | 4871827 A Lunatic
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Who in their right fucking mind is going to finance the re-industrialization of America?? America had her chance and squandered it all on cheap flimsy Walmart shit, Wall Street, and global conquest. Stick a fork in it already.......

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 21:04 | 4871856 disabledvet
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Who in their right mind financed it to begin with?

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 20:55 | 4871828 Goldilocks
Wed, 06/18/2014 - 20:57 | 4871835 billw
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Michael,

For your information the overwhelming majority of companies that move overseas do so because of the high cost of regulations and taxes. Since the 1970s our federal and local governments have dumped tons of regulations on businesses all in the name of cleaner air and water.  Eventually those businesses are essentially regulated out of existence in America; much like what Obama is doing to the coal industry now. When voters are asked would they be willing to pay a little more for cleaner air , why they say yes of course. But no one explained that it was going to be a lot more , and the loss of a lot of good paying jobs along with the tax base from those jobs. Obama has even stated that the cost of energy to the home owners could double or triple when he shuts down coal, but did you see it reported that way in the media?

 

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 21:09 | 4871874 Da Yooper
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It is all by design

 

Ross Perot saw this a long time ago & everyone laughed at him

 

who is laughing

 

now

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 21:25 | 4871921 Crawdaddy
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Yes sir. even old Perot didnt stand a chance against the Bushes.  Perot was not a ruthless globalist. He made the mistake of believing in law and order.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 21:34 | 4871946 stormsailor
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ross perot,  he has funny ears, hahahahahahahahahahah.

 

he even used his own money to buy commercials to fight nafta, the giant sucking sound of your jobs going to mexico.  hahhahhahaahahahahhah he has funny ears.

 

bad news is, nobody remembers or cares now, or then.  stupid peole get stupid leaders,  

 

george carlin said it  garbage in, garbage out.

 

everyone laughed at admiral james stockdale, a doddering senile fool.  bullshit, one of the smartest people i have ever met in more than 50 years,  with impeccable character. most of the idiots i come in contact with on a daily basis, even if moderately successful could not understand the writings of james stockdale. 

 

so we get what we deserve, then and now.

 

and when 100k of your hard earned savings are not worth a drop of piss from a bankers shake,  ross perot has funny ears,  hahahhahahahaahahahahhah.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 21:37 | 4871955 Seize Mars
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stormsailor

I voted for that guy. Back when I gave a shit, and thought that politics was the, um, "answer."

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 21:45 | 4871986 stormsailor
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i understand mars,   i am so cynical now it is very hard to find good in anything and it eats away at me.

 

 

i do notice and appreciate things more due to my cynicism,  my wifes eyes when she is around our grown sons and they are all happy, simple stuff.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 21:49 | 4872002 Grande Tetons
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The media will always toss the Perots and Ron Pauls into the looney bin. Hahahahahaha look at that those old bastards that make sense...hahahahaaha..where is my free shit? 

Thu, 06/19/2014 - 16:49 | 4875236 Blankenstein
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How about the "Ron Paul is crazy" people?  I'm sure these boob tube-educated morons have never watched Ron Paul question The Bernanke.  He was the only one in the room that understood the subject matter and could ask relevant questions.  Then again, most of these dunces cannot understand elementary school math.  

 

 

Thu, 06/19/2014 - 20:16 | 4876017 mkkby
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Ralph Nader... there's another crazy old bastard.  He only wrote about GM cars having dangerous faults back in the 60s.  And they're still the same snakes who will sell you a crap product and laugh while you die in a fiery crash. 

Ha ha ha, that stupd Ralph Nader guy.  What did you say is on TV?

Thu, 06/19/2014 - 01:46 | 4872561 Tapeworm
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+ for the Stockdale reference.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 21:36 | 4871952 Son of Loki
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When I lived in dallas long ago I had the pleasure of sitting at the dinner table [one of those large ones that seats 15 peeples] with Ross Perot. He is the warmest fellow in the world and loaded with common sense. Too bad he was not elected.

Thu, 06/19/2014 - 10:40 | 4873592 Crawdaddy
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I saw him in person twice - once at a hamburger joint on State street in Texarkana and at a feed store on Greenville Ave in Dallas. Both places were about the last places on earth you would expect to see a billionaire. I have much respect for ol Ross.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 21:01 | 4871843 arby63
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Its neither the workers nor the cheap overseas labor. Rather, it's an OPPRESSIVE government that has driven business out and discouraged entrepreneurs.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 21:01 | 4871846 Caviar Emptor
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Many think it's only the rust belt that's decaying. Big picture says it's the whole shebang. Decay: the smell is everywhere.

Thu, 06/19/2014 - 00:37 | 4872398 DoChenRollingBearing
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Agreed, almost everywhere I go it all seems to be coming down, except for the gated communities.

And Asia...

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 21:13 | 4871852 QQQBall
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We lead the world in manufacturing SNAP cards, so we got that...

I will mention this because i live it. TWo fucktards making a combined $40 an hour have NO business buying two new vehicles. The most important thing I have told my children is not to think linearly - the future is most certainly bent. I live well below my means have no debt, blah, blah blah and I have a good business that does wll in up and down markets.... but I still bust my hump and realize I am only as good as my last assignment.

I have read Your Money or Your Life and How to Live the American Dream -Retire at 35 by Terhortz numerous times. They are basically simple money-philosophy books... no magic to it - work hard, live below your means, save and invest... or fuck it and buy a new car to drive to your loading dock job - what could go wrong?

Whoever down arrowed me is a prick.

 

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 21:03 | 4871854 buzzsaw99
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read the entire post and all the comments and not one mention of the unions. incredible.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 21:05 | 4871864 disabledvet
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You mean the Government ones?

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 21:14 | 4871879 Larry Dallas
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Buzzsaw + 10000

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 21:24 | 4871917 Tulpa
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Snyder is a leftist, no way he's going to diss the unions (or taxes or overregulation).

Thu, 06/19/2014 - 04:28 | 4872693 sethstorm
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Unfortunately, ALEC's control of him (and in turn, Michigan) provides evidence to the contrary.

Thu, 06/19/2014 - 00:29 | 4872459 Anusocracy
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Unions and corporations are the spawn of government, the main blue and red entities in the economy.

They are like appendages of .gov.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 21:05 | 4871861 falconflight
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And most of these Rust Beltians vote for ever more government that they still don't understand is against their interests.  That is if you're interested in self determination.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 21:09 | 4871872 disabledvet
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Exactly!  "Your City is dead because you voted that way."

Of course try and explain things logically to "an electorate" and your apt to get not one but a million Baghdad Bobs.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 21:37 | 4871958 falconflight
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The Electorate is the scariest facet of Amerika.

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