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In Escalating War Of Words, Saudi Arabia Fires Back At Iraq, Warns Of Civil War, Opposes Foreign Intervention
As we reported yesterday, things in Iraq are not only going from bad to worse when it comes to the conflict between ISIS and the government army (with the country's largest refinery one minute in the hands of the Al Qaeda jihadists, the next back in the hands of the army, until the process is repeated) but what's even worse is that they are increasingly not going according to plan. Case in point: the dramatic reversion by the country's Shi'ite PM Maliki, who not only defied the US in refusing to reach out to Sunnis to "defuse the uprising in the north of the country", but had the temerity to do what many say is speak the truth, when he accused US ally Saudi Arabia for promoting the fighting in the country, accusing it of spreading genocide: "We hold them responsible for supporting these groups financially and morally, and for the outcome of that - which includes crimes that may qualify as genocide: the spilling of Iraqi blood, the destruction of Iraqi state institutions and historic and religious sites," the Iraqi government said of Riyadh in a statement.
Moments ago Saudi Arabia fired back at Iraq's "harsh words" and warned that Iraq faced the threat of full-scale civil war with grave consequences for the wider region and, in a message to arch rival Iran, warned against outside powers intervening in the conflict.
"This grave situation that is storming Iraq carries with it the signs of civil war whose implications for the region we cannot fathom," Foreign Minister Prince Saud al-Faisal told a gathering of Arab and Muslim leaders in Jeddah.
He urged nations racked by violence to meet the "legitimate demands of the people and to achieve national reconciliation (without) foreign interference or outside agendas".
It was unclear if "foreign interference" includes the US as well, or just limited to Iran.
As Reuters reports, Saud did not elaborate but the remarks appeared aimed at Shi'ite Iran, a key ally of the Maliki government. On Wednesday, Iran said it would not hesitate to defend Shi'ite holyl sites in Iraq against "killers and terrorists".
Further, it comes following headlines moments ago stating that:
- IRAN WOULD RESPOND TO REQUEST FOR HELP FROM IRAQ, OFFICIAL SAYS
Saudi said the three-year civil war in Syria, where a largely Sunni Muslim uprising has failed to unseat President Bashar al-Assad, another ally of Iran, had "helped to deepen the internal disturbance in Iraq."
On Monday, Saudi Arabia blamed the Iraqi crisis on Maliki, citing what it called years of "sectarian and exclusionary policies" by his government against Iraq's Sunni minority.
And then there was this hitting moments ago, indicating Iraq intends to further pressure Saudi:
- IRAQIS KILL SAUDI ‘TERRORIST’ IN BAIJI REFINERY FIGHT: IRAQIYA
In short: the situation in Iraq, already a jumble of domestic sectarian violence, is now pitting virtually all major (and regional) international players against each other as well. There is:
- US which tacitly supports Iran intervention in the region, but may have suddenly cooled in its support of Maliki despite sending naval and troop forces in the country after partially evacuating its embassy
- Saudi Arabia which wants to remain friendly with the US but is antagonistic to the Iraq regime, is potentially aiding the ISIS forces, and clearly refuses to allow Iran entrance in Iraq
- Iran, which has suddenly become America's best friend in the region, which is willing to enter Iraq and protect its holy sites
- Syria, whose president is sitting back amused at last year's failed campaign by the US to remove him from power, and whose army is at a stalemate with the local US-armed and funded rebels
- Qatar, which is supporting the Syrian rebels, but so far has not made its stance clear on Iraq. Like Saudi, it too may be indirectly backing ISIS
- Jordan, which is a close friend the US, and which may have hosted ISIS in a secret base on its territory with the US instructing the jihadist group according to an unconfirmed report
- Turkey, which is on constant alert to Kurdish escalation across the border, the same Kurds which now have far more leverage courtesy of ISIS crushing the Iraq army in the north and handing over Kurds access to oil fields in the north.
- And of course Russia: because while Putin clearly benefits from rising crude prices, it is his Lukoil that is developing (and investing vast amounts of money in) the vast Iraqi West Qurna-2 oil field. It is not clear how he would feel about it falling into ISIS hands.
Confused yet? Don't worry: the middle east is the very definition of fluid, shifting alliances. By the end of the day it is quite likely that half of the bullet points above are no longer valid or relevant.
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right. So Saudi Arabia can, with the help of Qatar and the CIA, create the monster of ISIS, but anyone trying to help kill the monster is 'outside interference'
I hope ISIS bypass Baghdad entirely and descend upon Riyadh
Optimist. The spice must flow, and the spice trade must remain priced in dollars. That is all...
If the spice continues to flow from the refinery ISIS just captured, they may want to issue a midyear update to their annual report.
LOL... Can we get quarterly reports from ISIS? Maybe they can issue some stock. Sadly, they may have more real assets than half of the BS on Wall Street. They may be more trustworthy also...
"legitimate demands of the people and to achieve national reconciliation (without) foreign interference or outside agendas".
Does Saudi mean without the kind of foreign interference they displayed when the Saudi military entered Bahrain to crush the legitimate dissent of a few years ago?
Looks like the Saudis have been learning the Kerry variety of "truthiness."
And we won't mention anything about Saudi foreign intervention in Syria, Afghanistan, or even NY, NY.
The fight is over which faction in the ME gets the gas pipeline to Europe. Seeing as Iran is the keg waiting to be tapped over there, me thinks US and by proxy EU allegiance is in the process of switching from Saud to Iran & Co. It has to happen sooner or later, why not now?
Tylers: Bringing back some of the analysis pieces you guys did over the last year about pipeline routes and cui bono would be helpful if you could find the time.
I think that the net take away of all of this is that:
Saudi Arabia is having massive internal problems now which are very likely to increase soon.
They are the key to all of this.
If their oil revenue reverses in any meaningful way and without western support the monarchy there will implode.
Spot on. They have allowed a religious sect to get out of control, fueled by their wealth from oil sales. Cut off the spigot, and those chickens will come home to roost.
The Saudi plan appears to be to fund the radicals, send them to other nations where I presume they hope that they are killed and can't come home. But the beast they created can no longer be tamed.
This is going to get much, much worse. For everyone.
I saw that, how many "terroist" organizations are that organized? Oh wait, JPM, Goldman Sachs, BofA, all issue similar reports. Nevermind.
you forgot our two political parties
I'd like to forget them
Actually, ISIS and AQ are not beloved of the folks in SA and vise versa. They would just as soon overthrow the house of Saud if they could. Yeah, SA has and will support some of the Sunni guys in Syria, but they are not going to support ISIS or AQ.
ISIS and AQ are not beloved fuck you both words are just that words they are phantasm ghosts made up from some spare beards direct from a jewish hollywood casting call.
qatar and saudi arabia give the money israel,cia and the mi6 work the satanic storyline.
bleloved you the fuck are you a lordly fat turkish pasha or something : )
God damn Tony, Mongo likes you ( no homo ) but seriously kid you're alright:-)
And fuck you also. Yeah, Saudi Arabia is all a Zionist plot. Give me a break with that shit.
Right shnuffer like the Saudi's motto...."by way of deception we wage war".
Dueling trolls!
They should be accompanied by flashing signs saying "Waste your energy here!"
fuck wit watch this it has insight
these activities are frank kitson low level operations.
smash and grab using well honed techniques
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbAP4fyMMQ4
Mission Accomplished!
Hypocrisy rules the global "diplomatic" die-a-log...
The whole ISIS bit is really bad kabuki theater...
1) The US feigns that it was "caught off guard" by ISIS. Bullshit. ISIS is a creation of CIA/SA/Mossad. Notice ISIS says nothing about Israel being their enemy, I think that is the dead giveaway The monsters behind all this have decided to put in play this chess piece at this time.
2) The US Gov is getting at lot of flak about "losing Iraq" and about being incompetent. Bullshit. This is all going to plan - the cost to US credibility was baked into the plan. What is going on behind the scenes is far more subtle than what is going on on the surface, and "blame" is just for sheep consumption to draw their attention from something else - the end game is upon us meethinks.
3) The MSM claims that the US is trying to get "Iranian help" is absolute bullshit. This is pure theatre meant to make people think things will settle down with Iranian help and the problem will go away. It won't. While the US is probably dangling a raprochment to Iran if they play along, I don't think Iran will. The last real thing the US and the monsters who planned this really want is for Iran to send troops into southern Iraq, for example, unless there is some sort of partitioning agreement that leaves middle Iraq to ISIS.
4) The US claims to be shocked that the Iraqi Army folded like an empty suit when time came to fight off the ISIS. Bullshit. The Iraqi Army was SET UP to fold like an empty suit when the time came - just another means of providing ISIS with more equipment (Benghazi part deux).
5) The fly in the ointment is Maliki - he probably sees what is going on and won't play ball. First, he realizes that the Iraqi Army is unreliable and won't save him. What WILL save him is the Iranian Army and Hezbullah. Where these units have engaged the ISIS, they have been successful, just as they were in Syria. Watch Maliki depend more and more on Iran and Hezbullah.
6) The Saudis have figured out that their scheme is in grave danger of not working due to Iran and Hezbullah, hence what they are now saying about foreign intervention.
7) Since ISIS is now occupied in Iraq, watch Syria. They should now be able to roll up even greater advantages against the foreign mercenaries, but of course, the US will try to generate some excuse to bomb Syria again, but will have problems with it...
8) At one time it seemed that the whole ISIS bit was 'the revenge of the ba'athists and "Saddam's ghost", his followers getting revenge. Bullshit. This is misdirection, again, from what is really going on. This rationalization is meant to make the sheep look no further behind the scenes...
So, this is turning into a really interesting game, but I think the US/SA/Mossad has a weak hand that is being undermined by events and things not going according to plan. These are dangerous times and will get much more dangerous in the next few months IMHO...
I think you give the administration(s) way too much credit. I think our leaders are mostly a bunch of stumble bums who can't walk and chew gum at the same time.
I think you give the administration(s) way too much credit.
Agreed, people give all the "secret ruler" groups far too much credit. Certainly people are trying to pull strings behind the scenes, but THEY AIN'T THAT GOOD. Geniuses, they are not.
"Geniuses they are not" 100% correct! Just tribally connected.
BTW love your obombo pic!
The US Administration is not behind this... this is from the CIA/SA/Mossad Deep State that also brought you the Arab Spring, Benghazi, Syria, the Ukraine, and now ISIS.
Any notion of the naive American innocent abroad is completely wrong.
The turmoil is part and parcel of long-range planning to expand the "empire"
Balkanizing the Mideast as planned by "Clean Break" & PNAC
Atomizing the Mideast
Iraq: Will the Neocons Get Away With It Again?
US plotting
The Engineered Destruction and Political Fragmentation of Iraq. Towards the Creation of a US Sponsored Islamist Caliphate
Managing Chaos
Is Open-Ended Chaos the Desired US-Israeli Aim in the Middle East? » CounterPunch: Tells the Facts, Names the Names
This only gets serious when they start tweeting.
They should stick to Instagram, beheadings don't look so bad through a sepia filter.
'Foreign intervention'....such as the Saudi 9-11 hijackers?
You mean the dancing ......ah never mind!
A supreme clusterfuck brought to you by His High Hemmeroid In Chief. Being a lazy fuck and playing golf and fundraising will get you this every time.
Set up, like a bowlin' pin.
Knocked down, it get's to wearin' thin. They just won't let you be, oh no.
Bush & Co. made their $$ in Iraq, on DHLS etc. This civil war is (should be) no surprise to anyone.
It was a surprise to the State Department...and the orders went out to "Special Operations Command" (yet again.)
That Command has been around a long time now. After a while you going from creating a "lore" to a Histroy...and after a while that History allows you to seperate fact from fiction...and when to "hush up" about everything being a fiction.
Iraq is not going to descend into a Civil War so long as Baghdad remains a vibrant and booming Metropolis.
If that City suddenly grows to 20 million "it becomes a State unto itself."
"No yes we can can't didn't". The poti come, the poti go; but just maybe this time the self interest of the few won't go on seemingly forever, ........ oh yes it will :(
The Russians will go in and clear the mess which the US crated, not now, but when the times come (some times after when USA became a failed state-which will happen soon).
Edit: For Russians it is more like a security issue, then anything else.
Kiev just announced a unilateral cease fire in Ukraine.
Maybe they're getting nervous seeing ISIS raise the global violence threshold?
Iran, Syria and now Iraq are all on team Russia.
Syria is not working out for the deep state.
Qatar Emir stepped down recently. His son took over. New program, no-more-war in Syria. Pipeline under the Gulf to ... Iran instead. Coincidence? Qatar can no longer host 2022 footy wc.
In Saudi, Bandar Bush, Syria war promoter, is out of office/power and supposedly dieing ... again. Saudi is done with the War in Syria?
What do you do with the insurgent atmh you recruited when you don't need them anymore? Send them someplace to get killed??
to late to stop foreign intervention
T.E. Lawrence:" So long as the Arabs fight tribe against tribe, so long will they be a little people, a silly people - greedy, barbarous, and cruel, as you are."
I doff my hat to you, sir.
Imagine if a wealthy people were well-educated, united and seeking further industry and independence? This is too much for western oligarchs to have to contend with. Such people must be thwarted by being reduced to squabbling rump states. And to cultivate the few wealthy to be self-indulgent and footmen to larger schemes to keep all under the boot.
Nothing like meeting the legitimate demands of the people by strapping bombs on them and sending them abroad...
Religion of peace....just sayin.
What we need here is an Islamic Thunderdome.
I think the Catholic Church and the Jesuits have that title coveted and covered. Islam is just a johnny come lately that was set up to be extreme from the start.
By the same folks incdentally.
Brahma, Abraham, Ibrahim.
Sara-swati, Sarah, Sara.
All the same root. Hinduism, Judaism, Churchianity, Islam.
You can get just about any result you want by cherry picking ORI....but I haven't seen too many Catholics blowing themselves up in a public place.
Correct me if you know of one.
Holy smoke from a Brazier GZG....the Inquisition? The crusades? What is a few centuries in the larger swath of history?
We are in this mess in large part because of Catholic Christianity and it's head quarters in Rome. Who so ever might be pulling the triple crowned one's strings being another matter.
One bloody history. Now they screw in hospitals, red cross and all...
I see in India, still going on, still merciless.
Getting Gore'd on the horns of Papal Bulls since 1033....
That's why Scientology is the one true faith, its origins can be definitively traced to a wet fart in 1953.
I hear that wet fart sent a Saturn to the moon.
Or some such fairy tale....
Mighty Britain has/?/had a Millennium Dome? Is that about the same?
I'm sure someone in Golders Green will do you a rental deal.
Let's see, who else does stuff like that? Hmm "by way of deception we wage war" Hmm Mongo seems to be clueless to that answer.
seems to be clueless ....
No, Mongo is clueless
Saudis have to tread lightly. Iran and Iraq fought for many years and both have large armies. The Saudis spent their oil money on more productive things and wrapped themselves under a US blanket. They have no real army, so they are a rich prize that better not throw away the blanket.
Iraq? Are you talking about the same army that threw down their weapons and fled ISIS? Come on.
The Saudi national guard whilst small ,is very well equiped.
Defenders should have a 5:1 advantage in any case, unless they are Iraqi.
Prolly a lot of money passed hands for the Iraqi army to fold like that.
Thanks for that reminder WC, keep forgetting how many wars have been "won" through bribery and subterfuge, not on the field.
It cost something over $2 trillion to create the current mess in Iraq amd another $25 billion to train the army that ran away. So what will be the cost of putting ISIS back in the bottle?
And how come the citizens cannot get a slice of that revenue action? Where is our prospectus?
Not sure i would agree with you. Look at the defense spending over the last 2 years by Saud and UAE, they are in the top 10.
They did recent joint drills in the deserts of Saudi showing off there new chinese military acquisitions. In addition the UAE ruler made it law (in the last month) that local arabs must serve a year in the military between 19 - 30.
Recently the GCC banned Qatars foreign minister because they did not align with there foreign policy (I think Qatar is co-operating with Iran) in a bid to try and get some gas into Europe.
This whole thing is going to get worse before it gets better. Anyway Ramadan will be amongst us soon, the holy month!
friendly advice to house of saud..... keep your jets fueled and at the ready.... no not your fighter jets .... the jets that will take you to switzerland... it's coming your way in the near future... either from ISIS or IRAN.... good luck YOU helped fund two frankesteins... obma (helping him get into harvard and money) and isis (with the cia)...
the zionist jewish house of saud has to go.
mi6 and the cia and the mossad along with the 5000 saudi princes need to go on trial in a common law court for crimes against humanity.
silly fantasy maybe but certainly true.
these masonic demons really worship satan they are a virus a plaque on the planet.
Yea!
In case you are wondering. The US aircraft carriers in the region are not there to assist fighting ISIS. They are there to protect ISIS from Iranian intervention. Just so we know who is really behind this.
I think that is probably spot on... with a secondary possiblity that the Israelis will take advantage of the Iraqi chaos to try to hit Iran at this time, and the carrier is there to help against Iran as well...
Only on Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays.
Tuesdays, Thursdays, and Saturdays the Iranians get to direct our forces against Isis. It's only fair.
Sunday is saved for cleanups and secondary hits against both sides.
Iraq and Syria are being partitioned along religious and ethnic lines. Meanwhile, as more and more U.S.-produced oil and gas come online, events in the Middle East are becoming more and more of a sideshow. Big whoop.
Sorry, but the USA's oil production will hit 11.6 million bbd by 2020, surpassing Hubbert's 1970 peak of 9.6 million bbd by a wide margin. So 1970 was not the peak. So his theory is wrong. QED.
http://www.thenewamerican.com/tech/energy/item/17834-thanks-to-fracking-...
all eyes on Iraq, Syria, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Qatar... but hmm, little said about Turkey
and even less from the chief shit stirrer ISRAEL
according to you Jews are behind everything
you and obama seem to be on the same side
listem moshe my boy google image israel white phosphorus bombs.
google the word metzitzah b’peh and ask yourself a simple question why has nobody talked about that satanic ritual you turd : )
on obarme he is a failing piece of kenyan cia software a queer toilet trader and a killer of 100s of thousands of human beings many being muslims so i doubt very much if he is a muslim.
some weird saturnic jewish blood cult sect like kissinger and bressinski more like
the common jew has nothing to do with this
just like i have nothing to do with what obama does
don't act so self righteous
if your hands were on power would they not also be bloodied?
those american titties r drying up..
fucking Saudi's, what you gonna do now...
FUCK THE HOUSE OF SAUD..
Seeing as how the United States and Saudi Arabia are funding this whole charade, this bit of theater from the Saudis is worthy of an Oscar.
Dont forget the U.S's favoritest allie in the region homie. Hint, it the Amish region!
Yes, the bullet points are irrelevant. There is only one kind of bullet point they understand.
Gulf veteran
Forget Obama, USA, CIA, Sunni Shiite. What is the real reason behind Syria, and now Iraq?
Is this the biggest tell that Saudi Arabia's resources/oil is peaking or declining?
I was drunk last year, around Christmas, and I remember saying Prince Bandar would likely be dead within a year. At the time, I thought the Russians would make him disappear. Now it's starting to look like the Americans will make him disappear.
The entire Saudi family should be very scared right now. We probably already have guys watching them closely. Killing them is just a phone call away.
Spungo
"I was drunk last year"
Shit son, Mongo was drunk last night!
Woke up this morning to some butthole surfers wondering " who was in my bed last night? Who HELL was in my room?"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQw7ShyYz9o
Wakie wakie bitchez!
We'll see what the US does when SA invades Iraq. Nothing!
Don't mess with our stooges. Let's hope that Iraq's parts learn to not repeat the Ukraine's Yanukovitch mistake.
I can't stand the expression "War of Words"!!! It does not exist!!!
It's either a discussions, an arguments, or an actual war with weapons and injury and death.
These politicians are not engaging in war. They're in a comfortable room, sipping a drink and having a snack, and expressing their disagreement with the equally sociopathic counterpart in the room. They're not risking their own lives; therefore they're not at war!
However, they decide when to unleash the cannon fodder.
War is a Racket! By Major General Smedley Butler (1935)
Saudi Arabia... now there is a place that needs invading. Should have done it after 9/11 but the Bush family is/was in bed with them.
It needs bombing.
And i mean a big one.
ISIS, as Squid above has said, a monster was borne by the Saudis plus largely the Emir of Qatar and a naive and arrogant American President who believed they could supply Sunnis terrorists, (the very ones that have committed terror attacks on America), armed with our heavy and light weapons to go into Syria and be fair. They went in killed non-Sunni men. They made women into Sharia compliant slaves and used them at will, they plundered and murdered as is their nature. John McCain and Lindsey Graham thought it was a good idea as well.
Now ISIS trained by American dollars in Jordan shows their true Sunni nature to commit terror along with war! And now suddenly our president has no interest in correcting his horrible mistake! It is like the Character in the comedy where Erkel says "Did I Do That"? Unfortunately these mistakes when we are talking about a group that may very soon because of our Presidential inabilities have Pakistan NUKES fall to the real leaders in Qatar (Mullah Mohammed Omar)of these ISIS terrorists! This will get much worse before it gets better if it ever does. One thing is for certain; it won't get better unless we keep these monsters and their leaders in Qatar from getting Pakistani NUKES which may happen at any time! Nobody seems to care!
Nukes are a factor, but not like you think. Here is my take. Iraq is being defacto partioned, and nothing is going to stop it. Kurds in the North, Sunnis in the West & Central, Shiites in the South. The BIG loser in this is Saudi Arabia. They have spent billions to get control of Syria (failed), so they turned to Iraq. The Kurds control the oil to the North (Saudi Fail). The Shiites (Iran) control the oil to the South (Saudi Fail). All the Sunnis get is terrorist bases in the West, which aren't even enough to defeat Syria with US/CIA/Mossad/Turkey help. This is one great big Saudi Arabia Fail. The Islamic world places a very high premium on "saving face". Saudi Arabia will feel "disrespected" by everyone, and will lash out to re-establish respect. Since money and conventional war didn't work, I believe they will emulate Iran and go Nuclear. They will see that if you want "respect" you have to be in the Nuclear club. And they will calculate the US won't do anything about it because they need Saudi oil. In 5 years, things get really interesting in the ME with Iran, Saudi Arabia, and Israel all having nukes while still sponsoring numerous proxy wars throughout the entire region using radicals. What could go wrong?
and still markets advance totally ignoring this, hoping it all goes away, even Oil barely up, and Gold still well below $1300
Which "Markets" is it that you speak of?
The free and unmanaged Markets, or...?
It's going to be a great day when the Saudis go back to sand farming and goat herding.
Whoever in our State Department thinks that the "intervention" of Iran, a Persian nation (that's actually significant) INSIDE Iraq, an Arab nation, is a "good" thing needs their head examined.
Or are we supposed to forget the war between the two between 1980 and 1988?
Yes, we should forget the whole shebang, apologize for our sixty-some years of CIA interference, and get the heck out. Let them sort it out. We have a few things to sort out here at home.
& a mountain of war reparations for certain ones to pay. Start just below 'your' Mexico, & anytime you sniff trouble, you can probably guess who caused it. Think of the job creation horizon!
The silence from Obama regarding Iraq is deafening. The man seems incapable of making a difficult decision. And he clearly will do anything to avoid any type of confrontation.
And the world knows it. That is why China is flexing its muscle in the China Sea drilling oil in disputed waters daring the U.S. to intervene.
And why Putin can tacitly invade Crimea and other parts of Ukraine. Because he knows Obama will do absolutely nothing about it.
And Obama's indecision in Iraq saying last weekend that no U.S. troops would be on the "ground" only to reverse himself on Monday.
Putin has said many times in public speeches that Obama is a weak man and an even weaker leader.
Obama is also a narcissist and Putin knows it. What better way to deal with a narcissist than to embarrass him on public stage for everyone to see?
At this point, I actually am enjoying the Obama Presidency. He is so imcompetent, you wonder what he will do next.
One thing I do know, Putin and other world leaders are going to continue to slap Obama around like a little schoolboy.
Putin did NOT invade Crimea or any other parts of Ukraine...
well, a narcissist now working hard to earn his Nobel by undoing his Libyan caper : From Yorktown to Libya, France is our ally--- he bragged at Cannes in 2011. Now walking away from its follow on in Syria, Iraq, Afghan, and Ukraine fall out under the effect of the Gazprom boomerang thrown at him by Putin et al.
As Nixon regime's famous quote : our money your problem now morphs into : our warmongering your problem Saud and Iraq/Iran/Afgh/Pak.
Can he keep the global $ petroeconomy inspite of this head up ass fumble?
That is the TRUE question on the issue of this new GWB initiated Crusade heading to same type of resolution as the previous ones.
What Saint Louis lost once GWB/Potus-next can lose a second time round.
Memory loss is the unkindest cut in Nemesis's retribution against Man's hubris fed on "this time we'll get it right" delusional knee jerks. Dick Cheney is now crying "Potus Obammy's doctrine is betrayal of mine! We saved Iraq! "
hahahaha ! Can you hear the Gods of Olympus laff and laff at Cheney and Tony B?
"We did not have sex with the Sauds to breed in unholy wedlock the ISIS sons of our passion for black gold."
Try singing that song to Nemesis you neo-con jerks.
...and Gold smacked back down
Juber don't be a noober! $3 does not constitute a smackdown. Unless of course it's an alleyway bj that went awry(:-(
I presume by legitimate demands he’s excluding any that are banned by kings, princes, or members of a royal family.
Even when faced with a life and death crisis the Sunni's and Shi'ites won't work together to save their asses. Because of their screwed up barbaric religion.
Let 'em kill each other like they've been doing for centuries.
If you mean let's get out of the middle east totally, I agree. But I think DC did and continues to do alot to foment hostility between groups for its own evil purposes. As an example: http://www.lewrockwell.com/2014/04/david-stockman/the-real-scandal-exposed/
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This is the heart of the matter: If Obama uses American firepower to attack ISIS and other Sunni forces, The United States will be perceived to be against the largest population of Islam in the world - Sunnis. Getting cozy now or getting into bed with the rulers of Iran isn't going to cut it. It's desperation by complete morons in The State Department like Victoria Nuland.She is a Clueless Cluck and an idiot.These are the type of pathetic bafoons running the Government in Washington. A hard nosed PMS'd wench left over from Dick Cheney's rule. It's like Porky Pig said on Bugs Bunny while he was stuttering " You buttered your bread,now you can sleep in it."
This ISIS campaign is Saudi/CIA sponsored and supported. Both want the Sunni's to take control of Iraq so they can install a govt which will them to control the country. And to firmly take ownership of the oil fields. It would be the Saudi's having the public face of controlling this puppet govt with the CIA pulling the Saudi's strings.
The CIA expected Iraq to run to them for help and to submit to the CIA's demands to allow Sunni's in Iraq to have greater control of internal politics. Then a presistent push for a internal govt. Sunni takeover would begin. But perhaps the Iraq leaders see through this.
The only hope Iraq has is to turn farther away from the US and Saudi's and to turn to Iran and others not controlled by Sunni's. This would be a good time to forge a public cooperation and alliance with Russia. Let the Russians in to establish intelligence networks, give military aid and business arrangements. Bring Russian companies into the oil fields. Otherwise, the CIA/Saudi's/Israel will keep the ISIS campaign going and funded until it wears out the govt, a slow decline and death.
Tyler's should review and gather information about the photo's being faked entirely of partially. As I noted before, all the prisoner's faces were kept turned from the camera when marching, in the back of the trucks and none of them raised their heads while other were susposedly being shot. Looked fake.
http://dutchsinse.tatoott1009.com/6172014-alert-isis-execution-photos-fa...
Wait a sec...
A few thousand fake ISIL terrorists are committing (poorly) PhotoShopped executions during their physically-impossible 'conquests' in Iraq?
That kind of nonsense only happens when Russia wants to build a pipeline somewhere or some nutjob threatens to trade oil in something other than petrodollars.
Saudi's should do well to remember the Houthis on their southern border.
A few thousand Iranian 'vacationers' might suddenly show up.
Here's my solution - the US, China and Russia get together and seize all the major oil assets from Riyadh to Mosul and hold them "in trust for the citizens and the world". Europe can't play because they don't have any guns. The House of Saud departs peacefully with their trillion dollars intact. Everything within fifty miles of the Persian Gulf is declared a neutral zone under martial law until the oil runs out in about a hundred years. It will then be heavily resettled by Mormons who can practice polygamy there.
we need the fighters from yemen involved. those guys are super fucking bad ass, literally their whole lives they've been fighting . super tough.
we should give them drone support and weapons.and send them through saudi arabia directly towards basra in a mass tidal wave. killing everyone.
Confused yet? Don't worry: the middle east is the very definition of fluid, shifting alliances. By the end of the day it is quite likely that half of the bullet points above are no longer valid or relevant.
that is because the confusion won't end until a major war which results in a strong man at the end .
maliki is unlikely to become that strong man.
most likley this war will go on for years until it escalates to genocide.
i predict at least 3-4.5 million MORE human beings of iraqi syrians iranian saudi and other middle eastern nationalist will die through direct and indirect consequences (starvation and war caused disease) of war before this thing finishes.