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Putin Advisor Proposes "Anti-Dollar Alliance" To Halt US Aggression Abroad

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It has been a while since both Ukraine, and the ongoing Russian response to western sanctions (which set off the great Eurasian axis in motion, pushing China and Russia close together, and accelerating the "Holy Grail" gas deal between the two countries) have made headlines. It is still not clear just why the western media dropped Ukraine coverage like a hot potato, especially since the civil war in Ukraine's Donbas continues to rage and claim dozens of casualties on both sides. Perhaps the audience has simply gotten tired of hearing about mixed chess/checkers game between Putin vs Obama, and instead has reverted to reading the propaganda surrounding just as deadly events in the third war of Iraq in as many decades.

However, "out of sight" may be just what Russia's political elite wants. In fact, as VoR's  Valentin Mândr??escu reports, while the great US spin and distraction machine is focused elsewhere, Russia is already preparing for the next steps. Which brings us to Putin advisor Sergey Glazyev, the same person who in early March was the first to suggest Russia dump US bonds and abandon the dollar in retaliation to US sanctions, a strategy which worked because even as the Kremlin has retained control over Crimea, western sanctions have magically halted (and not only that, but as the Russian central bank just reported, the country's 2014 current account surplus may be as high as $35 billion, up from $33 billion in 2013, and a far cry from some fabricated "$200+ billion" in Russian capital outflows which Mario Draghi was warning about recently). Glazyev was also the person instrumental in pushing the Kremlin to approach China and force the nat gas deal with Beijing which took place not necessarily at the most beneficial terms for Russia.

It is this same Glazyev who published an article in Russian Argumenty Nedeli, in which he outlined a plan for "undermining the economic strength of the US" in order to force Washington to stop the civil war in Ukraine. Glazyev believes that the only way of making the US give up its plans on starting a new cold war is to crash the dollar system.

As summarized by VoR, in his article, published by Argumenty Nedeli, Putin's economic aide and the mastermind behind the Eurasian Economic Union, argues that Washington is trying to provoke a Russian military intervention in Ukraine, using the junta in Kiev as bait. If fulfilled, the plan will give Washington a number of important benefits. Firstly, it will allow the US to introduce new sanctions against Russia, writing off Moscow's portfolio of US Treasury bills. More important is that a new wave of sanctions will create a situation in which Russian companies won't be able to service their debts to European banks.

According to Glazyev, the so-called "third phase" of sanctions against Russia will be a tremendous cost for the European Union. The total estimated losses will be higher than 1 trillion euros. Such losses will severely hurt the European economy, making the US the sole "safe haven" in the world. Harsh sanctions against Russia will also displace Gazprom from the European energy market, leaving it wide open for the much more expensive LNG from the US.

Co-opting European countries in a new arms race and military operations against Russia will increase American political influence in Europe and will help the US force the European Union to accept the American version of the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership, a trade agreement that will basically transform the EU into a big economic colony of the US. Glazyev believes that igniting a new war in Europe will only bring benefits for America and only problems for the European Union. Washington has repeatedly used global and regional wars for the benefit of  the American economy and now the White House is trying to use the civil war in Ukraine as a pretext to repeat the old trick.

Glazyev's set of countermeasures specifically targets the core strength of the US war machine, i.e. the Fed's printing press. Putin's advisor proposes the creation of a "broad anti-dollar alliance" of countries willing and able to drop the dollar from their international trade. Members of the alliance would also refrain from keeping the currency reserves in dollar-denominated instruments. Glazyev advocates treating positions in dollar-denominated instruments like holdings of junk securities and believes that regulators should require full collateralization of such holdings. An anti-dollar coalition would be the first step for the creation of an anti-war coalition that can help stop the US' aggression.

Unsurprisingly, Sergey Glazyev believes that the main role in the creation of such a political coalition is to be played by the European business community because America's attempts to ignite a war in Europe and a cold war against Russia are threatening the interests of big European business. Judging by the recent efforts to stop the sanctions against Russia, made by the German, French, Italian and Austrian business leaders, Putin's aide is right in his assessment. Somewhat surprisingly for Washington, the war for Ukraine may soon become the war for Europe's independence from the US and a war against the dollar.


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Wed, 06/18/2014 - 10:45 | 4869133 Confused
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Well. That just happened. So. Yeah. Things are looking good. Recovery for the win! 

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 10:46 | 4869144 Soul Glow
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Faith and credit, bitchez!

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 10:49 | 4869151 Latina Lover
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Fed Reserve Notes will eventually earn an honored place in the failed currency hall of fame, right beside the Zimbabwe Dollar.

Of course the Fed Reserve Banksters, and their Ultimate Capos, the BIS, will do everything they can to destroy Putin and subjugate Russia, hence their back door support for the Kiev Fascists.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 10:48 | 4869167 THX 1178
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Good. The fedgov, MIC, and banking cartel will go with it.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 10:54 | 4869199 pods
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Now that is a shot across the bow. Even moreso than an ACTUAL shot across the bow.

Fuck, they could sink a carrier and it would not be as damaging as this idea. 

Note to my compadres in the states, roughly 90% or so of the FRNs in existence are OUTSIDE the US.

What happens when the world no longer needs them?  They come home.


Wed, 06/18/2014 - 10:57 | 4869229 Headbanger
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Oh fucking great! 

Either the U.S. really goes broke now

Or it starts WW III to save its ass!

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 11:01 | 4869258 DaveyJones
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Actually this is WWIII and "we" aint gonna win.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 11:13 | 4869318 Fish Gone Bad
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What would the German army from WWII would look like if Germany had won? 

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 11:17 | 4869346 THX 1178
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Davey jones is right. WWIII is a geurrilla information war with no difference between civilian and military populations. We here at zerohedge are on the front line. WWII culminated in the BIG ONE aka the atom bomb. We today will see our own present WWIII end with worldwide destruction. But it makes no sense to destroy physical property these days as our world is girded by information. we will see a worldwide crackup boom and hyperinflation. A worldwide death of money as rickards calls it. So that is our atom bomb.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 11:24 | 4869377 DaveyJones
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Yup, the derrivatives, the debt and the dollar are the atomic weapons but this time the "enemy" can ignite them from anywhere

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 11:40 | 4869485 saveandsound
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What happens when the world no longer needs them?  They come home.

But before that there is a way to render them worthless at the eve of hyperinflation and it is called currency reform.

Only USD inside the US is switched into the New-USD (goldbacked, I guess). Apple and friends are already discussing how to transfer USD into the States without paying to much taxes. I'm convinced they get a deal offered by the government.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 11:47 | 4869535 maskone909
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time to load up on hedgeless horsemans survival products.  preping is not so crazy now is it?  years supply of food, fuel and water.  dont forget the lead and gold too!

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 11:59 | 4869601 Thought Processor
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We need to decentralize this whole marble again.  What a mess.


Welcome to the Human Race.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 12:20 | 4869694 Ozy_mandias
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Checkers vs chess

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 13:18 | 4870032 Manthong
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“It is still not clear just why the western media dropped Ukraine coverage like a hot potato”

Um.. I can see clearly (I would have hyperlinked the Utube, but I will not impose the ad on anybody)

WTF..  like it is not clear that the media is OWNED by .gov ?

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 13:33 | 4870111 DaddyO
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Oh look, silver's up, I wonder who took the day off at the PM fixing office?

How long before these heavy hitters decide they want moar and smack the pm's with a big hammer.

Putin will move one of his pawns and the west will get their panties in a bunch and flip their checker board over accidently on purpose.

Just like the IRS and its hard drives...


Wed, 06/18/2014 - 13:40 | 4870145 jbvtme
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B R A V O!!!!!

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 13:49 | 4870184 Aaaarghh
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thank fuck for the ruskies!!!

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 14:25 | 4870358 Manthong
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in case you are not aware..

JPM has been building a massive stockpile of physical Ag.

all the while, deluging the market with paper shorts.

.gov wants JPM to enjoy the profit that it denied to the Hunt bros.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 18:34 | 4871372 hobopants
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If you think the lunatics in charge are going to go quietly into the night, you have another thing coming.

They didn't get to where they are by being rational and considerate people. 

Hopefully stuff breaks down before they have a chance to start World War III, but I doubt it.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 20:57 | 4871831 Gaius Frakkin' ...
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Here is an idea for Sergey Glazyev.

Allow Americans to open Russian bank accounts online and give them the opportunity to convert some of their USD to RUB. Personally, I wouldn't mind a little RUB as a backup plan.

Thu, 06/19/2014 - 03:20 | 4872648 Manthong
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Oh, crud..

The next thing you know is that some Putin advisor will be suggesting that a free economy should be loosed from market manipulation and intervention,

F’n heresy.

Thu, 06/19/2014 - 05:22 | 4872722 new game
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the enemy within the matrix is not russia but your coworker, neighbor or relative that refuses to hear the truth.

quite the advisary, but us patriats of truth must carry on...

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 18:41 | 4871410 7.62x54r
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That physical is nearly gone by now. JPM has almost run out of all that silver they stole from the Hunt bros.

Thu, 06/19/2014 - 03:30 | 4872659 Manthong
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geez,, does anybody undersrand that one sixth of the population on the planet (India) is taking their agri-power from oil to solar?

Well, guess what.. JPM knows that and although flooding the market with short Ponzi paper  it is stacking millions of ounces of physical.

F me (and you) in the short crevice.

Thu, 06/19/2014 - 01:20 | 4872516 SF beatnik
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I take it to be a VERY VERY VERY BAD SIGN that ZH commenters (most, presumably Americans) actually want to see the USA collapse.

This means many of the nation's smart people are rooting for the other team(s).  FUCK! Be careful of what you wish for!

I'm not ready for this, yet. I haven't gotten rid of my cash. I'm still shopping for hard assets. 

Slow the fuck down.  Please.  


Thu, 06/19/2014 - 01:35 | 4872553 luftmensch
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Seems like Tyler is rooting for the other side, most of the articles on here about Ukraine seem to be swallowing the Russian propaganda and spitting it back out again?  KGB has invested in ZH or what?  I mean, I'm all for hearing both sides, but this is pretty biased pro-Russian coverage..

Just because we think the US has problems, I recently spent a few months in Moscow, known as the most unfriendly city in the world, shit still don't work there, like there aren't even many restaraunts, whole place is run by a small group of insiders, if anything becomes big or threatens them they take it over or kill it.  In otherwords, the US may suck, but Russia's way of doing things sucks harder.  You think the Ukranians want Russia to take them over?  Google Stalin ukraine genocide, Stalin starved them off by the millions.  You really think a lot of Ukranians are nazis?  After Stalin, the Nazis took over and their idea was to kill most slavs for lebensraum.

Ukranians have been thru a lot of trauma as a country/culture.  They need a stable, less corrupt government, or at least try to move in that direction.  As far as I can see, Putin isn't exactly offering a move in that direction...noone wants to take over Russia or start a cold war.  Russia is still stuck in an old mentality of xenophobia, and protecting their entire region as a personal fiefdom of a small group of cronies...rather than looking out for the greater good, and trying to further develop mutually beneficial economic partnerships with those around them.  This is all about the old model of rape & pillage (other countries & your own), vs less corruption / better management / more enlightened governance.



Thu, 06/19/2014 - 03:54 | 4872672 Squid-puppets a...
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Tyler is for a free market

The US govt is the enemy of free markets

The russians, while not angelic in any capacity, are one of the few forces that can bring the US govt to account, thereby providing an opportunity to revert to free markets

ergo if you are a friend of freedom, of the true and traditional America, the america for and by the people, Russia is for this brief window in history your friend

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 01:23 | 4877032 hobopants
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A fair majority of the morons on here aren't capable of critical thought, The US is a country with some serious issues, but Russia is basically run like a Mafia as well.

Oh and if you are some Russian nationalist reading this shit to make yourself feel better about your own crappy country, fuck you.

Thu, 06/19/2014 - 06:11 | 4872746 barre-de-rire
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fuck you alice, go back to rabbit hole


Thu, 06/19/2014 - 01:26 | 4872537 SF beatnik
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And where the fuck is Boris Alatovcrap now that we need his guidance most ??? 

Thu, 06/19/2014 - 03:56 | 4872673 Squid-puppets a...
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he's busy on some Russian version of Zero Hedge in his alias as a Southern Hick

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 18:42 | 4871402 7.62x54r
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The friday puking at SLV is becoming less effective. The price recovered by wednesday this week.

And the physical silver keeps hemmoraging out of JP Morgan. Holding paper SLV longs will really suck soon.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 23:01 | 4872248 ILLILLILLI
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Tiddlywinks vs 3D chess...

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 12:23 | 4869709 SWRichmond
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How can we get an alliance to stop aggression domestically?

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 23:16 | 4872297 conscious being
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One step at a time SWR.  The side effects of the collapsing USD may cause the homeland version to evaporate like the E. German Stasi.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 12:46 | 4869843 Oracle 911
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The Putins advisor is such a nice guy. Why? Because he is practically yelling: "Get out from the US$."

BTW if the Russians let him say this, this mean the BRICS countries already made their move, they just need officially announce it.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 13:35 | 4870130 Poundsand
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And to think that the rehypothication bomb going off at just this moment is an accident?

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 18:44 | 4871422 7.62x54r
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The rehypothication will continue until Russia and China hold most of the metal.

The fact that this guy has lit the fuse should tell you something.

Thu, 06/19/2014 - 00:29 | 4872460 WVO Biker
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Since a long time, if you import to Germany from India and PRC you pay in €. Buying from R.O.C. its $ of course.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 13:22 | 4870043 MarkAntony
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Global reset - yup, that's where were heading...

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 13:53 | 4870204 JRobby
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Circle the wagons!

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 21:06 | 4871865 Antifaschistische
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ultimately....everyone (including every country and every company like Apple) who "stacks" fiat as a means of wealth preservations gets stung.  Either..repartirate your dollars and visit the tax man, or keep stacking your fiat and visit the devaluation man.   Either will pay.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 12:54 | 4869906 john39
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>> derrivatives

thank the money changers.  they engineered all this.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 13:23 | 4870050 TVP
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And don't forget, these financial weapons will prove FAR more lethal than those puny atom bombs.  

What happens to the 50 million Americans who rely on food stamps to survive, when a currency crisis strikes?  DEATH HAPPENS.  

How about millions of elderly who rely on social security and pensions? DEATH.

And thousands more will commit suicide, go insane and get themselves killed, or be slaughtered by military/law enforcement.  Let's not forget FEMA camps, who KNOWS wtf those will really be used for.  


Wed, 06/18/2014 - 19:22 | 4871562 macholatte
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The Gangs .......

Don't forget the Gangs.

The Armageddon concept is remote at best. USA is preparing for war against its citizens. If the food supply is cut off, 3 weeks into it there will be dead bodies all over the place. After six weeks most of the population will be gone and disease will be a real problem. Survivors will be more like schools of baracudda & other predators in a constant search for resources without any regard whatsoever for their fellow man. Cops & military will be hearding "their own" into shelters and doing whatever they need to do to be considered "essential" to the protection of the elites (politicians & hyper wealthy folks) who will allow them to live. Most of the elites will have left the country for their island enclaves stocked with popcorn.



Wed, 06/18/2014 - 12:09 | 4869648 SMG
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Right now it's an information and finance war.   But the Banksters intend for this war to go conventional, (yes that's right nukes and all that apocolyptic stuff).  WWIII will accomplish 2 things for the Oligarchs.

1.   Massively decrease the worlds population.
2.  Force the world into the global government they will create.

Here's more about the plan if you're interested:

Hopefully people will wake up in time to stop it.




Wed, 06/18/2014 - 12:34 | 4869769 tonyw
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A nuclear war would certainly decrease the world's population including many of the banksters and destroy much of the infrastructure. Japan shows us what happens when a nuclear power station is disconnected from the grid. Once we face multiple meltdowns there will be no coming back, our society is too complicated and interwoven.

Here you can read how the MIC through the use of lobbying have received $40 billion for a system that does not work.

IMHO worth reading the whole article to get a feel for how much power the lobbyists have over the politicians or put another way what the politicians are prepared to sell out for.


Wed, 06/18/2014 - 19:29 | 4871596 macholatte
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Hopefully people will wake up in time to stop it.


The day Barry is impeached and thrown out of office with his Progressive Czars and that scumbag Holder is the day I will begin to believe the sun may shine again. Until then, it's just wishful thinking.  Look out your window, do you see which way the wind is blowing? Does it carry the smell of slavery or rebellion?

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 20:15 | 4871724 BringOnTheAsteroid
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All US citizens have to do is park their cars at the cities choke points. It would only take a few people acting in co-ordination and entire cities could be grid locked, ceasing commerce and cutting off funds to Start in Washington and work your way to other cities. This will render police/military forces ineffective as roads will be blocked. This is the best anmd most effective form of dissent and you're barely even breaking any law, except maybe local parking laws. Just a few cars parked at strategic points on the roads is all it will take.


Wed, 06/18/2014 - 23:37 | 4872341 TheObsoleteMan
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Why bother to do all of that? All that is necessary is so simple, most can't even see it. All that need done, is to just STAY HOME. Don't report to work, go shopping, or anything else. Just stay home. If just 30% of the population were to do this, the whole system would come to a halt in two weeks.

Thu, 06/19/2014 - 01:16 | 4872519 August
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The price for one is pretty steep, but if you buy several hundred, you can probably get a pretty good bang for the buck:

Discreet billing and shipping included, of course.  Stock up now, before the rush.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 12:30 | 4869749 GooseShtepping Moron
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Nuclear weapons are still pretty darn destructive, especially if they were to fall into the hands of people like ISIS who will not scruple to use them.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 12:52 | 4869892 americanspirit
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GPS coordinates of Lincoln Memorial?

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 17:39 | 4871189 abcd0210
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The purpose of all war since the beginining has been to loot and steal wealth.

In the modern world, looting national wealth doesn't need force of arms, but can be done through exporting inflation and selling countries financial weapons of mass destruction such as CDO's or confiscating collateral of fraudulent loans.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 11:21 | 4869362 SilverDOG
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Wed, 06/18/2014 - 11:28 | 4869403 SilverDOG
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Putin gets Nobel Peace Prize .... prize paid in Yuan.


By by USD, WWlll coming anyway, so CYA.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 11:43 | 4869509 CheapBastard
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He wants to 'deflower' the Dollah ?!


How Vulgar.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 18:46 | 4871435 7.62x54r
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To late. That currency ain't exactly virgin.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 11:44 | 4869511 CheapBastard
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Wed, 06/18/2014 - 13:07 | 4869604 Anasteus
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Putin gets Nobel Peace Prize...

...for defeating the war preparation plans engineered by another Nobel Peace Prize laureate.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 16:34 | 4871015 SilverDOG
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Sincerely wish for such, will not expend hope upon.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 11:22 | 4869367 OceanX
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Look at the Pentagon and you would think they did...

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 11:23 | 4869372 Schaublin
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I do not know but I do know that the UK would not be well on its way to be a third world shit hole.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 12:41 | 4869807 pelican
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I often wonder, are the democrats that fucking stupid or is this planned.  It must be, Kerry and OShlama cannot have been as stupid as all that.

Stupid leaders for a stupid population.  I wonder when Americans will start emigrating to Europe for McDonalds jobs.

Thu, 06/19/2014 - 01:34 | 4872552 SF beatnik
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Been wondering the same thing.  Guess:  Obama is too weak to reign in our crazy neocons the way President Reagan did. (See Dr. Paul Craig Roberts on this matter.)

Basically, Obama has always been just an obedient schoolboy who gave a couple of stirring speeches at critical moments.

Thu, 06/19/2014 - 03:10 | 4872643 matrix2012
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one thing is sure the German army won't look like the Joo

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 20:11 | 4871714 Down to Earth T...
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Actually we all have already lost and it simply has not played out quite yet , but it will. As someone else related , we live in massive illusions and all are simply control mechanisms created by PRAVDA/MSM. The current mass media age with many gadgets works very well to mind fuck the masses. Everything is orchestrated and manipulated for such purposes but all is well in USSA and a recovery is under way. Hey?  


Have not been here in a very long while and I see very few of the old names from the blog or shortly thereafter . But I have watched from a short distance as we desecnd ever further into the abyss. I determined to get super fit and healthy and actually enjoy what can be enjoyed ! HA HA HA...................

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 11:02 | 4869265 Confused
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Niether choice ends well. 

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 17:11 | 4871128 DonGenaro
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i ain't never heard of someone on their deathbed "saving themselves" by starting a fight

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 19:05 | 4871506 perchprism
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I'm sure it happens all the time.


---Dona Soledad

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 10:59 | 4869239 Soul Glow
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I wonder what handle Sergey Glazyev writes under on ZH.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 11:03 | 4869268 Colonel Klink
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Tyler Durden as they all do?

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 11:07 | 4869288 edotabin
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Thu, 06/19/2014 - 00:07 | 4872417 edotabin
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We live in a polarized world.

Thu, 06/19/2014 - 03:48 | 4872668 Troy Ounce
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No, we live in a hologram

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 11:30 | 4869423 the not so migh...
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million dollar bonus after allot of vodka, then harrywinger after a joint

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 11:51 | 4869566 nope-1004
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I miss Harry Wanger. MDB is getting old, but Harry had the good stuff.


Wed, 06/18/2014 - 12:14 | 4869660 reload
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He could have used `Longsoupline` in the past.

He was mad then - now he is about to get even.

I do miss those epic, poingnant, swearing rants.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 12:38 | 4869792 Big Corked Boots
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Free Francis Sawyer.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 19:12 | 4871530 Crawdaddy
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cheesepopes finally got him

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 23:55 | 4872386 BlindMonkey
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Common guys. Boris Alotovkrap. Isn't it obvious?

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 10:59 | 4869246 Chief KnocAHoma
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There will be blood! And not like a papper cut blood, but serious wall to wall shooting, cutting, starving, bombing and bitching.

The region best suited to rise from the ashes is the Middle East. They are years ahead of where we are all heading... anarchy... then Caliphate all made possible and brought to you  by years of negelect, and birthed by BO.


Wed, 06/18/2014 - 12:43 | 4869824 pelican
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We don't have anarchy now?  The banks do what they want and steal from whoever they deem fit, the politicans don't bother with the laws, and our schools are getting shot up on a regular basis.


Looks like Anarchy now.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 18:48 | 4871443 7.62x54r
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Anarchy would be better organized.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 11:00 | 4869248 Tabarnaque
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End the US dollar bitchez! People are sick and tired of these crony capitalist bankster thieves, liars and war mongers sons of bitches ruthlessly depredating on the masses.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 14:04 | 4870211 Protokletos
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Legitimate questions.  What's up with the "bitchez" thing?  Is it a college finance major meme sort of thing?  I only say that because based on your comment, the part of your brain that thinks for itself as opposed to pandering to internet friends doesn't seem to have fully developed.  

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 14:22 | 4870365 Herd Redirectio...
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Its a ZH calling card.  When used appropriately, it indicates you are a long-term ZH user.  

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 14:55 | 4870558 Citxmech
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Think of it as the Fight Club battle cry.


Wed, 06/18/2014 - 19:01 | 4871495 Calmyourself
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Still remember Cog. Dis. telling me to read for a while then comment.  It was and is good advice.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 19:14 | 4871537 Citxmech
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I think I lurked for about a year before even registering.  

There's definitely a lot of talent and knowledge here - and any hubris or BS sure get slapped down in a hurry.  Great forum to test ideas - that's for sure.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 11:15 | 4869328 El Vaquero
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Russia need merely survive to beat us.  It is going to have to weigh revenue losses against Western Europe being worried about losing 30% of its gas supply and flipping on us.  At this time, if I were in charge of Russia, I'd put up with some pipelines being blown up or otherwise sabotaged.  I'd let Western Europeans digest the idea that the US had a hand in destabilizing Ukraine.  I think it was set to be destabilized on its own, but nonetheless, we were in there meddling.  The best move for the US would to be to abandon the new Ukrainian government, but we know that's not going to happen.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 11:21 | 4869359 813kml
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Germany is key to all of this.  Its business community is overwhelmingly pro-Russian, the EU and NATO will fracture when push comes to shove and Germany is forced to pick sides.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 11:25 | 4869385 El Vaquero
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Don't forget that US oil and gas companies are rebelling against what we are doing too.  They need Russia and Russia needs them.  We will fracture too.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 18:11 | 4871286 mkkby
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Let's not assume we know who blew up the pipeline.  Russia would benefit from that. 

They can't cut off Ukraine's gas without cutting off Europe, as a side effect.  But, if "someone" were to blow up key pipelines Ukraine would be cut off and Russia wouldn't be blamed for hurting their European customers.  In fact, it might serve to make Europe angry at Ukraine and drive them apart.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 18:53 | 4871460 Tall Tom
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The United States Government does not have a monopoly of False Flag Operations.


Good post.


Qui bono? The I pointed out in the Comment Section of the report of the Gas Pipeline fire.


Means, motive and opportunity are the three elements of the crime and have been demonstrated.

Thu, 06/19/2014 - 00:55 | 4872500 El Vaquero
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I wouldn't draw any conclusions about who set that pipeline off.  There are a lot of players over there, some rational, some with means, motive and opportunity, and some batshit crazy.  It could be the CIA too.  I'm sure that given the motive, they could find the means and opportunity.  Baiting Russia to invade Ukraine to give the excuse for more full retard sanctions while Obama stamps his feet like a 5 year old talking about how good the US is and how evil Russia is would be motive, no?

Thu, 06/19/2014 - 02:06 | 4872585 Bro of the Sorr...
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chaos was what they wanted, and chaos is what they got.

iraq, afghanistan, sudan, egypt, libya, syria, ukraine this century, iran, nicaragua, mexico, balkans and countless otherless last century. could go on all day. they will do everything to break the russian bear, and if they can't, the same chaos will come to the US. if they can, well, then we'll get an entirely different type of chaos, a la WW2 + 1. the powers that be, the crinimal elements of western governments, the central banksters, the rothschilds, the zionists, whatever you want to call them, everywhere they go, chaos ensues.

Thu, 06/19/2014 - 05:08 | 4872709 Tall Tom
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No, United States Foreign Policy is too incoherent. Besides, as you wrote I believe, the Oil Companies, whom run the US Government, need Russia as much as Russia needs them.


Russia is into rebuilding her empire and satellite states. Putin is just as psychopathic as Obama, or, the rest of the oligarchs.


They are ALL PSYCHOPATHS bent on power at any cost to their tax rest of us...and the rest of the Russian citizens.


I also believe that Putin is looking for the excuse to rid himself, and the rest of the World, of the Petrodollar. United States sanctions will just serve that as a raison d' etre. One of his ministers, as reported on ZH today in THIS ARTICLE, was looking as that as a weapon to be used against the USA.


I know that you know that there are no political solutions...


It is all fucked up.

Thu, 06/19/2014 - 07:32 | 4872842 overmedicatedun...
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Russia's rich oligarchs are now on notice, divest your $$ holdings..if just a few non russian wealthy (chinese, mid east, japanese, wealthy, plus  ins and hedge funds buy in, then yellen's house of cards and the $$ will be the's a hard sell, but does anyone have confidence in the current US ADM? does Obuma give you any confidence he is still in charge? the undermining of the faith in US .gov seems obvious to me, so what is the dollar supported by again?

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 19:22 | 4871564 Crawdaddy
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--"US oil and gas companies are rebelling against what we are doing too."

El - I gotta call bullshit on that pitch. Those O&G globalist fuckwads are behind what is hapening. The oil companies are no simple lemonade stand owning, non-interventionist, "who me?" capitalist bystanders. They are controlled by people who think nothing of destroying a government that gets in their way. They have fingerprints all over Ukraine. And of course ME. So fuck those guys.

Remove protectionist policies that protect the oil companies and stop their influence on govt. Then we'll see which ones don't wan't us intervening in other people's bidness.

Thu, 06/19/2014 - 00:50 | 4872492 El Vaquero
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Except that there is way more oil in Russia than there is in Ukraine and US actions in Ukraine could jeopardize US oil companies efforts to get at that oil.  US oil companies have been working deals with Russia and Russia has been receptive to them.  Our oil companies have better extraction and exploration technologies than Russia's do.  You're looking at the wrong oligarchs for what is going on in Ukraine.  You should be looking at bankers, the EU and NATO. 

Thu, 06/19/2014 - 05:15 | 4872719 Tall Tom
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Some just do not get it that the Oil Companies, through their lobbyists, run the US Government.  I believe that Putin senses weakness in the West and is doing his best to capitalize on the incoherent US Foreign Policies.


The Obama Administration runs like a crisis management organization and lacks any coherent direction. This style of administration is weak.

Thu, 06/19/2014 - 12:09 | 4873990 El Vaquero
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I view our government as up for bid.  Oil companies are just one set of oligarchs.  We also have the oligarchs in the agricultural industry, the FIRE industry and the medical industry to contend with, and their interests don't always align.  Remember that Princeton study showing that we, the little people, have very little say in what goes on, but oligarchs do?  You want to know why they don't have even more say in what goes on?  Because their interests don't always align.  There will be some bickering amongst the oligarchs, and I'm betting this is one such case.  Bankers want to further push Ukraine into debt slavery because they're greedy fucks, and oil companies want to work with Russia because it doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that invading Russia is a really fucking dumb idea.  I don't think that oil companies are inherently good or anything like that, I just think that their interests differ from the interests of other oligarchs in this case.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 11:32 | 4869430 Z_End
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Deutschland über alles. They will do what is best for them in the long run. They have to.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 21:47 | 4871999 Five8Charlie
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As do we all.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 11:35 | 4869451 Joe Tierney
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Yep, you hit the nail on the head.


What a great strategy Russia is undertaking here! Force Germany to choose sides once and for all, and she will take most of Europe with her into the anti-dollar, anti-U.S. Hegemony camp.


China will want to see this strategy orchestrated as carefully as possible, but also as energetically as possible, to allow it to minimize its losses (gold reserves!). But she will have to act with Russia sooner rather than later, 'cause U.S. hegemony tilting into China's space is rapidly increasing, and above all else, China is not going to take that laying down.


Things are REALLY coming together! Bring it on, oh, bring   it    on!

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 12:48 | 4869859 Chupacabra-322
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It's a Genius Strategy. And, a Novel Idea. I figure when everything is said & done, you'll be lucky to get 50 Cents on the Dollar if anything at all.

The Moral Fabric is broken, the Empire Criminal UNITED STATES, CORP. INC. is falling.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 22:27 | 4872121 Down to Earth T...
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No doubt about it . It is already all in motion and has been for quite a while. And will only gain momentum going forward like a snowball down a hill in the perfect storm. There are things one can do besides that standard PMs bitches thing. But we will all suffer one way or another, just depends on how much and how well prepared we are in all ways.


The absurd part is, as it comes unglued the politicos will all say they could not have possibly seen any of it coming ? and they are supposedly the smart guys ! Of course by then it is well past far too late, It is now. But none the less there will be much waving of arms and gnashing of teeth in angst and bewilderment. My answer,  Fuck all You criminals !

Thu, 06/19/2014 - 00:02 | 4872405 BlindMonkey
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"Supposedly the smart guys"

Have you read that shit that Thad Cochran said? Dude practically talked about stump training his mule. I ain't buying that smartest guy in the room shit again until I meet one in person. I personally met Marco Rubio for a brief bit. To say that I was underwhelmed would be accurate. And he is supposed to be one of the bright guys.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 18:19 | 4871311 Sirius Wonderblast
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Don't forget, much of Europe has resented the US and distrusted it since theend of WW2. On the other hand, Russia, in one form or another, has been a neighbour and trading partner for effectively ever.

Thu, 06/19/2014 - 07:08 | 4872794 Squid-puppets a...
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Its not a 'brilliant strategy'.  Its a bleeding obvious strategy whose time had not come until now. like, right now.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 11:26 | 4869394 OceanX
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"...After the 13th century, Moscow became a cultural center...."


Russia was a nation long before the U.S.  pretty sure bet it will be a nation long after the U.S.  has disolveed...

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 19:07 | 4871517 hobopants
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Lets see,

Peter the Great fucked the people of Russia, the Tzars fucked the people of Russia, The Bolsheviks fucked the people of Russia, Stalin fucked the people of Russia, and Putin will most certainly fuck the people of Russia.

Yes Russia will continue to be a nation of backwards peasants who get collectively ass raped by their leaders for many years to come.

If you're a mindless Russian nationalist or fanboy then you are just as retarded as the patriotic idiots here in the west, Fuck you whole heartedly, may you die choking on putin's cock (which is probably a dream of yours anyway).

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 19:15 | 4871540 COSMOS
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If all these people fucked Russia how is it in the end that Russia has the ability to wipe out the entire world if it wants to and it also sits on 1/6 the surface of the world and has probably the most natural resources.  If that is getting fucked I will pull my pants down for some of that.  Hey maybe that is why he was called the Great.  Because he had a loooong Great and Impressive Peter Heater in his world power hobopants. HAHHAHA.

Dont be a hater Mr Hobopants.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 19:50 | 4871612 hobopants
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Yes and all the Russian people are share holders in that wealth equally right? Oh wait no they're not, it's controlled by a small minority that continues to fuck the population.

I don't hate Russia, but I do hate myopic, narrow minded, nationalist fucks who are unable to see the corruption in their own nation while bleating on about how corrupt others are.

 “Russia has the highest level of wealth inequality in the world, apart from small Caribbean nations with resident billionaires. Worldwide, there is one billionaire for every USD 170 billion in household wealth; Russia has one for every USD 11 billion. Worldwide, billionaires collectively account for 1%–2% of total household wealth; in Russia today 110 billionaires own 35% of all wealth.”

So ya, enjoy all that wealth, I'm sure Putin will share some with you if you ask nicely.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 20:32 | 4871772 Terminus C
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This, there are no "good guys" in politics... in any country.  They are all lying, sociopathic rapists and murderers... all of them.  I get why some people are pro-Russia here because they are so angry with what has become (has always been really but has only recently become obvious for the masses) of the US.  However, rootin' for Putin is as dumb as rootin' for Rothschild (aka ObamaBushClintonBushReaganCarterFordNixonJohnson... all the way down to at least Lincoln, if not further back).

This site has been overrun with the small minded (read .gov from many nations) and the more thoughtful of the group sometimes gets pulled into the groupthink.

We live in a time that is irrational, emotional and violent.  It can be easy to get sucked in.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 21:30 | 4871935 hobopants
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Amen, some people think because Putin is opposed to the corrupt assholes in the west, he is automatically a heroic figure who represents all that is good and right in the universe.

In reality he is protecting his own interest and any benefit you recieve is purely incidental. Like all who are in power, he is solely preoccupied with perserving that power.

By it's nature this site probably has a bunch of moronic nationalist tuning in, and honestly, fuck them. They are tools and hypocrites, who have had a hammer and sickle shoved so far up their ass it has lobotomized them. If they are unable to face the truth about their own country (like I do mine) then they deserve everything they get and more.

I can appreciate the Russians messing with our oligarchs, but I'm not so naive as to think that they are doing it for the good of us poor oppresed citizens of the western world. They are doing it to protect their own corrupt monopolies on wealth and power in Russia.

So to reiterate, if you are an American who thinks that the Russian leadership represents an enlightened, classically liberal state, then you are an idiot. They are just another flavor of corruption which, given the chance, would be just as bad as the United States. If you are some retard nationalist coming here to feed your bias and hatred, then fuck you.


Thu, 06/19/2014 - 09:13 | 4873163 skepsis101
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Hey hobo, you don't happen to know just how that disparity came about, do you?  In 1988 there were no oligarchs.  Langley SOB troll!

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 00:40 | 4876233 hobopants
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You're an idiot.

The russians have never had income equality. They started off as a bunch of landless serfs who were owned as property themselves, and then transitioned into the Soviet Union where they could own nothing at all, and now Putin and friends own all the wealth and give them a few crumbs now and then, Hell the current income inequality is actually a high point in the Russian state.

Oh and citing my membership and accusing me of being a troll without proof is not a substitute for an actual argument, you soft headed mongoloid. Just because you don't like the truth doesn't mean it will go away.

Go hop back up on Putin's cock and tell yourself everything is going to be ok with papa Putin.

Oh and stick to the red arrows, you don't possess the mental acuity to formulate a decent argument.



Thu, 06/19/2014 - 09:10 | 4873141 skepsis101
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and another Member for:  28 weeks, 2 days.  Got it!

Thu, 06/19/2014 - 09:17 | 4873181 skepsis101
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and another Member for:  28 weeks and 2 days!!!!!!   Got it.  You guys are 5 years late to the party and somehow think no one will notice. 

Thu, 06/19/2014 - 21:36 | 4876310 hobopants
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And here is a member who has been here for 4 years and still can't figure out how to avoid Double Posting. Slow learner aren't we? Or maybe you were bouncing up and down so much On Putin's dick you accidently clicked the button twice?

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 11:20 | 4869352 DaveyJones
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this move was innevitable and efficient. It not only destroys our inflation export machine and our petrodollar grip but it takes down our military in a genius way by creating domestic economic chaos and domestic distrust forcing the government to throw resources and containment back inside the borders. You can't compare this to WWII and say more war is an economic catalyst. We have already shot our wad for a decade with disasterous results, we are much much weaker and we have a lot more enemies...  

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 13:30 | 4870093 pelican
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Davey, you so don't understand.  The mighty OShlama is so much better than that chess playing Putin.  Community organizing, Ivy League education and Basketball makes one the much better leader.  Putin just plays chess, does judo, was an intelligence operative and billionaire.  What could he know.



Wed, 06/18/2014 - 13:49 | 4870191 Chupacabra-322
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@ pelican,

So yes, Putin is smarter than the Criminal CIA / State Dept. of the Criminal UNITED STATES, CORP. INC.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 14:16 | 4870326 JRobby
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inflation export machine 

Beautiful. That is the bankster mantra as concisely defined as I have ever seen.

Sounds like a title.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 12:53 | 4869904 quasimodo
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So when all those $$'s come home, are we going to have big homecoming partay's like when we "won" WWII?


Wed, 06/18/2014 - 17:50 | 4871222 813kml
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Of course, it would be a shame to waste all that confetti.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 11:08 | 4869294 Payne
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The Saudis have lots of dollars so they will protect the dollar.  Whoever is not in debt to the FED will also be willing to dump the dollar.  Dump the dollar and bring peace to the middle east at least for a little while.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 11:13 | 4869317 Chief KnocAHoma
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Sorry, but I don't understand your logic. Peace will be brought to the ME because dumping dollars would cripple the US MIC? Or is there some other reason?

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 13:13 | 4870005 Payne
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The dollars being exported to Saudi are used to buy weapons, supplies, soldiers probably to gain more territory with oil and gas resources to be exploited by House of Saud.  This goes along with the CIA goals.  So lots of weapons, training exported in support.  Remove the dollar and you remove funding for all.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 18:18 | 4871308 BigJim
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Remove the dollar and Saudi have still got their fuckload of oil, to be sold in whatever currency or bartered for whatever goods and services they see fit.

Get rid of the Suadi Royal family and install a democracy? That idea must have the feds shitting themselves.

Thu, 06/19/2014 - 09:21 | 4873197 skepsis101
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There never was a Saudi or Mohammedan princeling who didn't like gold.  The Saudis have got lots and lots of gold.  

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 11:35 | 4869446 BennyBoy
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Great: a competing currency to the USD!


Not so great: Its a fiat currency and the race to the bottom is on!

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 11:55 | 4869583 lasvegaspersona
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Collectors!!! won't just be the 100 Trillion dollar bills that will be the most desirable. Do not forget to save some of the $1,000, the $100,000 and ESPECIALLY the first in the $1 BILLION series. These are very hard to find in Zim dollars. So think ahead. Hyperinflation can be fun and profitable.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 18:55 | 4871464 7.62x54r
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Be sure to trade letters with your friends as well. Covers that were postmarked at the Berlin post office on the day of the fall of Berlin are quite valuable.

The posties there thought the numismatists who kept mailing out letters while Russian troops and Volksturm were shooting at each other outside were completely loco.

Well ... maybe they were ...

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 13:12 | 4870003 gcjohns1971
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The Dollar's place will be UNIQUE in the failed currency list.  Unlike ZimDollars, FRN's are the Reserve Currency.



Hey!  Why isn't anyone picking up the chant?

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 19:00 | 4871488 7.62x54r
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Holding up a raised middle finger to signify being Number One kinda ruins the moment.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 19:17 | 4871549 One of We
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Red Team Blue Team USA!

Red Team Blue Team USA!

Red Team Blue Team USA!

Red Team Blue Team USA!

Red Team Blue Team USA!

Red Team Blue Team USA!

There, I need to go wash my hands.....

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 15:13 | 4870639 PGR88
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Crashing the Federal Reserve notes and US Gov't debt might not be a good thing for the present US Government, but it would ultimately benefit the average citizens of the USA.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 20:48 | 4871810 caconhma
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Poor Putin. The USA and NATO, for all practical purposes, have invaded Russia and Putin is thinking how to maintain a solvency of NATO-owned businesses in Russia. At is a house of absurd.

You stupid ZH followers cannot comprehend that Putin a phony president. He is an enemy of Russian people. He is a US puppet who is trying to show some independence like Iraqi Saddam Hussein has done before him. Putin has transformed Russia into a third world country. Now, Putin is looking for allies in China. China needs neither Russia nor Putin. China needs Russian territories and its mineral resources. It is just a matter of time before China will invade and annex at least half of Russia. As for Putin, his days are numbered!

Sweet dreams my ZH colleagues.

Thu, 06/19/2014 - 03:57 | 4872164 runningman18
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They have no need to destroy Putin.  He's in the back pocket of the BIS and his handler is Henry Kissinger.  The banksters want to destroy the dollar to make way for their global currency.

Thu, 06/19/2014 - 03:48 | 4872667 Reptil
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Talking about imperialist subjugation, this can be seen as nothing less: Secretary Tom Vilsack teling the europeans to tie themselves to GMO food production and hormone-beef:

Just like the Ukraine thing, this is about the influence of the USA on mainland europe.
The next great war will be about food and clean water.
The politicians and academica that support this failing technology live in a fantasy world of guaranteed technological progress.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 10:52 | 4869170 DoChenRollingBearing
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Long time no see, SG!  Hope things are well for you.


Russia & Russians will not escape the bad world economy.  Bad as the USA is, I would rather be making my preps from here vs. there.  

Better weather here too.


Does anyone know if you still need an Exit Visa to leave Russia?

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 10:59 | 4869245 Soul Glow
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Good to see you DoC!  I hope all is well with you and yours.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 12:47 | 4869851 COSMOS
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I must disagree Dochen,  They now have Crimea back and they also have other Coastline on the Black Sea, where the weather is much milder and nicer than say Siberia.  But really what matters are energy resources.  Certainly the Caribbean has great weather but they are not known for industry.  Rather I say a little inclement weather makes you stay inside and study.   The Russians have vast natural resources, look at a map and see the beast of land mass that country is, and also all that coastline with offshore and fishing rights.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 12:58 | 4869925 DoChenRollingBearing
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You raise good points.

I just LIKE warm weather.

Russia does have massive resources.  Let's see what they with them!

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 11:29 | 4869413 OceanX
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Bad is relative, they already survived the soviet era...

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 12:33 | 4869761 R3ap3R
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only if u are a criminal and chances of getting it are close to 0

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