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Why ISIS Won't Stop With Iraq

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Submitted by Claude Salhani of,

The slaughterhouse that Iraq has become in the past week is the stuff that nightmares are made of. And this is just the beginning. 

The threat emanating from the group calling itself the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant is so serious to the stability of the region -- and beyond – that even Iran said it would not oppose U.S. military intervention if it were aimed at the Islamists who have embarked on a rampage of murder and looting across Iraq.

The stunning and unexpected victories by the Islamists are very worrisome. In a region that is no stranger to conflict, this one is particularly frightening and has far-reaching consequences, including the threat of spin-off groups similar to ISIS taking root in surrounding nations.

A militarily successful Islamist force straddling over parts of Iraq and Syria will pose a real threat to the security and stability of those countries’ immediate neighbors. Even Syria, where government forces are fighting their own civil war, has offered to send troops to Iraq.

Turkey, Jordan, Lebanon, and, of course, Israel, would be the first to feel the effect of a takfiri victory.  But so would Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Bahrain, Qatar, the UAE, Oman and Yemen. If ISIS is successful in Iraq, there is little reason to believe they would stop

Left unchecked, the Islamists could eventually threaten the stability of countries in Central Asia.

Here’s why the threat goes beyond Iraq and Syria.

In English-language news reports, there are at least two ways in which the group is referred to: Islamic State of Iraq and Syria, or ISIS, and the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, or ISIL.

In Arabic, of course, neither words – “Syria” or “Levant” -- are used; instead, the word “Sham” is used. The closest translation of that into English is “Greater Syria.”

Many in the West are fooled by the use of the word “Syria,” and may fail to see the real dimensions of the threat because they think of Syria in the modern geographic sense. But that word, in Arabic, is “Souriya.”

Most Middle Easterners, when they hear, “Sham,” or “As-Sham,” know it refers to Greater Syria.

What’s the difference?

Modern Syria is bordered by Turkey to the north, Iraq to the east, Jordan and Israel to the south and Lebanon to the west.

“Greater Syria” incorporates most of the territories of each.

“This is what "Syria" means in the mind of Middle Easterners, says Joshua Landis, director of the Center for Middle East Studies at the University of Oklahoma, and author of the respected blog

“If we can teach people that so many Arabs still think of Syria as Greater Syria, they will begin to understand the extent to which Sykes-Picot remains challenged in the region,” said Landis.

Sykes-Picot, of course refers to the secret agreement drawn up by two British and French diplomats -- Sir Mark Sykes and Francois George-Picot -- at the end of Word War I dividing the spoils of the Ottoman Empires between Britain and France by drawing straight lines in the sand.

To this day, many Arabs refuse to accept that division and think of “Syria” as “Greater Syria.” Some go so far as to include the Arab countries of North Africa – which from the Nile to the Euphrates forms ‘the Fertile Crescent,” the symbol of many Muslim countries from Tunisia to Turkey. And some even go as far as including the island of Cyprus, saying it represents the star next to the crescent.

Given that, anyone who thinks ISIS will stop with Iraq is delusional.


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Wed, 06/18/2014 - 18:34 | 4871374 rtalcott
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Why ISIS Won't Stop With Iraq

For the same reason the US won't stop...

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 18:42 | 4871413 SilverRhino
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Saturation Nuclear Bombardment .... it's the only way to be sure.   

After all of the videos I have seen of ISIS?  Burn them all.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 18:44 | 4871429 SafelyGraze
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fortunately, there is no way a us-trained outfit could conduct operations domestically, within the us borders


Wed, 06/18/2014 - 18:53 | 4871455 NotApplicable
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Yay, another article. *rolls eyes*

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 19:06 | 4871512 BraveSirRobin
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If you like your Greater Syria, you can keep your Greater Syria, period!

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 19:37 | 4871619 I MISS KUDLOW
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everytime its on the news there seems to be no violence economy seems like its humming in the background, all ive seen is the same pictures of people lined up on the ground is there really fighting going on?

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 20:00 | 4871669 Keyser
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Supply lines... ISIS may have captured $$$, but who is going to supply them with arms and ammo now that they've gone off the reservation? Will uncle sugar continue to arm both sides in this conflict? 

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 20:07 | 4871705 Herd Redirectio...
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Greater Syria?  Is that another name for Eretz Israel?

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 21:07 | 4871869 cristo
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who needs uncle sugar when you have ant quatar and that retarded counsin saudi .

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 23:31 | 4872333 Keyser
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They still have to purchase the arms and supplies from either Russia, China or the US... 


Wed, 06/18/2014 - 23:43 | 4872361 TheReplacement
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Are you suggesting that all three of those would refuse to sell arms?  At least two of those countries are not threatened by ISIS forces.  Those two are oil dependent if they sell arms they might just sell them for oil.  Russia is right next door and certainly there are a lot of Chechens who would like to return home.  We'll (US) sell guns to Saudi Arabia all day long.

Thu, 06/19/2014 - 01:22 | 4872529 Uchtdorf
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I thought China was buying every drop of oil they could get their hands on.

Thu, 06/19/2014 - 06:37 | 4872764 ThirteenthFloor
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You missed the Brits. BAE would sell anything for oil contracts. Witness 9-11.

Thu, 06/19/2014 - 07:05 | 4872790 TBT or not TBT
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There are over a hundred countries whose private and/or state enterprises sell weapons.  Not just three.   You need to do a little reality check. 

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 23:05 | 4872262 Canadian Dirtlump
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No shit not applicable. Is this retardate aware than isis has comparably few fighters and the heavy lifting in this fight thus far has been by militias headed by saddam husseins former strong man izzat ibrahim al douri?

The iraq coverage here has gone from bad to full blown aids.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 23:44 | 4872363 TheReplacement
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It would be great to have a link with which to follow that up.

Thu, 06/19/2014 - 08:33 | 4872986 11b40
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Chicken Little's and Chicken Hawks busy setting their hair on fire and still trying to drag us into war.

A few thousand rag tag fanatics, largely ignorant and undisciplined, are severly limited in their ability to grow. 

They can't really develope a command & control struture or any kind of formal government, because they can't bunch up anywhere.  If they do, they can easily be vaporized.  Like any mob, they can destroy, but will soon lose what support they have. 

I hope we can just take a deep breath and let this play out.  I have no dog in this hunt, but if there is a real threat to America, then let's hear about it, and when I see politicians start talking about a war tax to pay for the adventure and a draft to suply the forces, then I might be convinced to change my mind.  That ought to be about the 12th of Never.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 19:23 | 4871572 Freddie
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I wish they would try. 

14.6 million licensed hunters in the United States. I bet most have scoped .308 and .223 rifles too.

The Syrian Army and Syrians did a pretty good number on this ISIS ZATO-Saudi scum.  The Syrians have guts and are not fat asses who watch TV and Hollywood like sheep.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 19:37 | 4871579 Crawdaddy
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thanks for the link amigo

<edit> holy crap - trebuchet footage

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 19:47 | 4871656 Matt
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Are they just firing across an alley at the other side of the street, over top of the bombed out apartment block they are in?

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 20:40 | 4871790 Crawdaddy
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yeah what the hell are they aiming at? Firing over a three story building. I suspect the guy down line to catch the landing zone may be a bit of an edit 

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 19:57 | 4871680 Seize Mars
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Awesome trebuchet.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 23:46 | 4872369 TheReplacement
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That's what winners do - innovate and do what it takes.  Those people are not going to give up.

Thu, 06/19/2014 - 00:53 | 4872498 Squid Viscous
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I always defer to Oklahoma U. profs when it comes to foreign policy advice...??? Go Sooners!

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 20:56 | 4871836 blackbeardz
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"Saturation Nuclear Bombardment .... it's the only way to be sure." -SilverRhino

That is too kind. Why not coat them with the fine dust of a depleated uranium projectile. Then generetion after generation will remember the cowardly acts, both sides now.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 21:41 | 4871975 BraveSirRobin
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I am afraid saturation nuclear bombardment is not enough. First the nuclear bombardment, then spray it down with nerve gas, then agent orange, then napalm it. And to ensure it forever stays destitute and impoverished, drop the government of detroit in to rule over the remains.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 22:14 | 4872077 americanspirit
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SilverRhino and supporters - Your stupidity is breathtaking. A few videos make you advocate all-out nuclear bombing? Have you even thought of all the millions of innocent people who would be cremated? Or is collateral damage involving millions of completely innocent men, women and children somehow OK? After all, they're probably not Christian, like you no doubt.

You unfathomable idiots.

Thu, 06/19/2014 - 06:48 | 4872772 BigJim
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We're going to kill all the women and children making sure we kill the evil butchers who have been killing some women and children.

The difference is - it's just collateral damage. We'd really only kill the butchers if we could. So it's ok.

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 21:10 | 4896085 BraveSirRobin
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Sorry, I really do not get your point.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 18:42 | 4871415 knukles
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The Caliphate

Anybody besides me understand the significance of 9/11?
Try the Gates of Vienna Sept 11, 1683

It has been and is going to be a Long War

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 18:50 | 4871447 nmewn
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People are so fucking dumbed down they can't even comprehend what you're talking about.

To them, "Dracula" (Vlad the Impaler) was a movie about a really evil guy who could change into a

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 19:02 | 4871496 knukles
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I noticed in another thread when I was merely and very clearly relating a Progressive position out here in the Land of Fucknuts and cited several basic sociological/psychological conditions as reference ... and was told some very unique things to do with myself and how silly ass dumb I was ...
I thought the depth of some responses should have culminated with a 3 week cruise locked in a stuffy cabin with Paul Krugman and Al Gore, everybody on speed and acid

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 19:18 | 4871552 nmewn
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I have nothing against acid (personally, not an endorsement, jus sayin) but being locked in a room with Krugman & Gore or any of the other flakes we run like being on acid.

Its like "Bush!"...ummm, what? I said Bush!, shut up! Oh, ok. Starting to peak a little bit? Global warming! You, ahhh got a little bit of drool right there, no the corner. Razzzist! For pointing out your drool? Free the boobies!

Now there ya go, something we can agree on ;-)

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 19:22 | 4871567 BraveSirRobin
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I other news, a winter snow storm hits Montana, Utah, and Wyoming and are getting snow, but Al Gore is genius, and you sir, are a backwards rube clinging to your guns and Bible, terrorizing everyone with opinions you should not be allowed to have, according to the most accomplished and ethical person in the universe who has been appointed your next emperor. We is you mind so closed? Why are you a hater? We all want to know.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 19:30 | 4871598 nmewn
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Joe the Plumber lives!

Yep and statist whore, micro-managing, central planner extraordinaire...Michael Bloomberg, just gave 250k to the Cochran campaign to defeat McDaniel in a primary...and he accepted it.

Nothing to see here folks, move along, just move along.

Follow the money ;-)

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 19:44 | 4871643 Amish Hacker
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In the next evolutionary phase of American democracy, they'll just count the money and dispense with the voting altogether. Same winner.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 20:01 | 4871689 nmewn
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Democracy, at some point we're really going to have to talk about this concept foisted upon the people. Is it just or a "right" of theirs, to vote themselves into my wallet because they can?

Men & women of law would say no, there is only so much a society can do or afford. "Fortunately", the Fed was born out of avarice & self interest, which makes all things possible.

From unlimited war to unlimited welfare, all the things we cannot afford.

But, at least we're asked to choose wisely ;-)

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 21:13 | 4896099 BraveSirRobin
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In the phase following that, they will round us up and work us until we drop on rice farms and such.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 19:26 | 4871580 Freddie
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Maybe 14.6 million American hunters will get off their ass and shut off the ball games.

Thu, 06/19/2014 - 01:34 | 4872551 thethirdcoast
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No, because there are already way too many dhimmis in the West.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 18:43 | 4871421 rtalcott
Wed, 06/18/2014 - 18:54 | 4871462 Stuck on Zero
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In a sense, true.  Revolutions have never stopped at the border.  Once the revolutionary forces smell the blood of victory they cannot stop moving forward.  After Mao's revolution China proceeded to attack all of its neighbors until exhausted.  The U.S. won against Britain and then moved Westward till stopped by the Pacific. 

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 19:19 | 4871555 nasdaq99
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we you forget that Iran has a little to say on the subject.  lots more oil and lots more people.


we don't have a dog in this fight.  let 'em duke it out and instead of 3 parties in Iraq to fight, let them whittle it down to only one.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 20:31 | 4871759 rbg81
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The more I see what is happening in the Middle East, the more I think the REAL PLAN is to have them exhaust themselves fighting each other in the name of Allah.  Ultimately, it  would save us a lot of trouble.  After they've killed each to near extinction, the war weary survivors will hail us as saviors when we march back in.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 23:54 | 4872383 TheReplacement
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Considering their birthrates, the oil will be gone by the time they attrit each other down.

Thu, 06/19/2014 - 00:57 | 4872502 Squid Viscous
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Bibi? nice avatar you silly old ashkenazi!!

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 19:49 | 4871663 JJdog
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but Obumer said he sent Al Qaeda running.........

Thu, 06/19/2014 - 00:22 | 4872440 Carpenter1
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They'll stop where Killary tells them to stop.

Thu, 06/19/2014 - 05:02 | 4872702 Dr. Everett V. Scott
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Why ISIS Won't Stop With Iraq


"Power never takes a step back, only in the face of more power."

~ Malcolm X

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 18:34 | 4871376 TeamDepends
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The spice must flow




Wed, 06/18/2014 - 18:37 | 4871379 RaceToTheBottom
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The new crusades

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 20:06 | 4871701 Keyser
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Hopefully the Shites and the Sunnis will kill each other off and leave the rest of us out of it... I know, wishful thinking since the US can't keep their fucking nose out of anything...


Wed, 06/18/2014 - 22:01 | 4872047 RaceToTheBottom
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50-60 killed in Africa by going door to door and answering the question "Are you Muslim" wrong?

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 18:37 | 4871386 stant
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Collapse of empire and the begging of a dark age

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 19:04 | 4871502 knukles
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Timed ever so nicely with a Maunder Minimum and Fourth Turning.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 19:52 | 4871676 Matt
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If the solar minimum lasts a couple hundred years and means a decline in percipitation, it could really put a dent in food production and thus population. Of course, people won't just sit quietly and starve. With everything gone digital, how can we preserve human knowledge for the benefit of the people 200-300 years from now during the next renaissance?

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 22:58 | 4872232 Keyser
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Move to a place with a subsidence economy built on an agrarian society... When the SHTF, you don't want to have a front row seat for the zombie apocalypse of western society... 


Thu, 06/19/2014 - 01:00 | 4872507 Squid Viscous
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Maunder Minimum, i missed that on CNN, did they say it is 10x more important than their "global warming" crusade at least for the next 300-400 years?

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 18:37 | 4871387 Goldilocks
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Michael Jackson - Don't Stop 'Til You Get Enough (4:12)

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 19:04 | 4871503 knukles
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Wasn't that the kid's hit song?

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 19:39 | 4871627 CCanuck
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Wasn't that the kid molester's hit song?

 Knucks, you missed a word, fixed it for ya.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 19:51 | 4871673 Goldilocks
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Henry Kissinger - "Military Men Are Just Dumb, Stupid Animals To Be Used As Pawns In Foreign Policy" (3:28)

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 18:38 | 4871391 nmewn
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Religion of Peace.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 18:38 | 4871392 SofaPapa
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As someone on another thread pointed out, there is a remarkable quiet on the Syrian border with Israel.  These people are getting their funding from big money.  That money is calling the shots.  I seriously doubt that Saudi Arabia has anything to fear...

Thu, 06/19/2014 - 07:15 | 4872808 TBT or not TBT
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More with the effectiveness of freeborn western military men and women posted on one side of said border.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 18:38 | 4871394 kowalli
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ISIS( alcaiduh) is  Saudi guys - so they don't care

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 18:39 | 4871396 MayIMommaDogFac...
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Where are the fucking drones?  Seriously.  

Do they ask permission in Yemen or Pakistan when they blow shit up from an invisible drone in the sky?

It doesn't make sense.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 18:41 | 4871403 craus
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What governments say in public and what they want privately are two different things. They have to play politics with their own population as well.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 18:41 | 4871412 kowalli
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drones is killing only in a wedding and only children.., + guys on USA black list... this ISIS is good guys=)

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 19:27 | 4871589 Crawdaddy
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Drones are redeployed stateside to prep for the turruist bitching about 40k illegals being bussed in each week....

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 18:39 | 4871397 craus
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You just can't kill a belief with weapons. It carries on to their children and their children. Our kid's kids will be fighting these same wars.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 18:44 | 4871428 SilverRhino
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Bullshit.  Rome put Carthage to death.   Baal worshipped dropped considerably.   And they were the last of the phoenician cultures so Rome never had a problem from them again.  

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 18:47 | 4871440 craus
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Sure. When you can find all of them fine in a convenient spot. But this is different. They are all over the planet last I checked.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 20:51 | 4871811 deflator
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 Europe gets most of it's immigrants from Muslim countries no? U.S. chooses immigrants from Mexico, Latin America and Africa. Aren't alot of these ISIS guys "Europeans" of the very political variety?  If it's "all" about oil...

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 18:48 | 4871442 knukles
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Of that couple miles of guys marching to Baghdad, a couple Arc Lights or a Dozen Spooky's would a been quite the show, none the less

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 19:02 | 4871500 nmewn
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Seven to eight thousand of these fucking retards and ONE HIGHWAY heading south from Tikrit to Baghdad.

Nice job Brownie, helluva CnC ;-)

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 21:01 | 4871842 deflator
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 They are using civilian vehicles.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 23:32 | 4872336 bilbert
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Lotsa nice shiny Toyota Tundras - ISIS now gets fleet rates??

Extra credit for those playing at home - who treats women with respect:  Sunni or Shia?

(Hint - not better, but with respect)

Your answer should be given in the form of a question (cue Jeopardy music..............).

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 21:30 | 4871938 nmewn
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War is an awful thing.

"It is well that war is so terrible - otherwise we would grow too fond of it." - Gen. Lee, surveying the field of his victory at Fredericksburg.

It takes a great human being to recognize this fact in the egoism of all human beings. Especially coming from a military man.

Everyone who screams for heads on pikes better realize what they're asking for, it could very well be theirs. I know what my dad went through (he killed hundreds). I know what his dad went through and my mothers father went order to bring me (and us) to this place & time.

I know many are prepared for the worst but we better ALL make damned sure we're ALL fighting for the same thing or you can count me out.

I won't shed a drop for crony socialists or GM board members, but I repeat myself ;-)

Thu, 06/19/2014 - 00:28 | 4872454 mc225
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yeah, baal disappeared until ritchie blackmore and bandmates called it up in a seance...

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 18:40 | 4871400 BadLibertarian
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Stop with Iraq? They haven't even started with Iraq. Not the parts of it that aren't Sunni majority and will actually put up a fight. The Shia and the Kurds will keep them boxed in. Notice how they haven't invaded Baghdad yet?


Wed, 06/18/2014 - 19:01 | 4871493 Panem et Circus
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They're already in large swaths of eastern Syria.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 19:13 | 4871534 BadLibertarian
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And accomplishing what? Not much. This article was obviously written to stir up worry that a small group of assholes is somehow going to be an existential threat to the entire region in order to drum up support for more US involvement, and that's simply not the case.

They have shown zero ability to take and hold territory that wasn't already vulnerable. If they go into Baghdad or Kurdistan, that will be the end of them, and they know it.

The more likely outcome is that they piss off the Sunni tribes in the regions they already occupy with their ultra-strict Sharia, wear out their welcome, and get tossed out without ever posing a threat to the Shia in the south or the Kurds in the north.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 19:28 | 4871591 RECISION
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What he said...

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 19:34 | 4871614 Chief Wonder Bread
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+1 You summed it up nicely. I didn't bother to read the article. Title speaks for itself.

And I don't want to date any Arab women (anybody else get that ad?) Iranian women on the other hand are hot.

Thu, 06/19/2014 - 00:30 | 4872462 mc225
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the 'arab' chick in that ad has a serious boo-tay.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 21:24 | 4871919 MarsInScorpio
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On my smartphone so gotta be short.


G-d, you're ignorant.


Thu, 06/19/2014 - 07:22 | 4872820 TBT or not TBT
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"Not accomplishing much" never stopped Islamic assholes from preventing civilisation before.  Going on 14 centuries of rinse wash repeat here.  

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 18:42 | 4871401 NOTaREALmerican
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Those turbine wearin Muslims r gonna be sneakin-r-cross-r-boarder n takin our woman, that's what's gonna be happin if we don't stop em in EYE-RACK, i'm tellin ya. 

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 18:44 | 4871424 McMolotov
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Hide yer kids, hide yer wife...

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 18:44 | 4871431 knukles
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Nex fing ya kno is they're gonna be runnin our heaylth systyem

Thu, 06/19/2014 - 00:06 | 4872412 All is chosen
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& 'radicalise' it by treating all people regardless of paperwork? :0)

Thu, 06/19/2014 - 07:26 | 4872825 TBT or not TBT
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With the rationing, wait times, and Kafkaesque dehumanizing bullshit endemic to state monopolies everywhere?  What's not to like?   Private healthcare is health care.   The VA is your healthcare on government. 

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 19:20 | 4871561 Kirk2NCC1701
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Well, given student debt, rising gas and food prices, the real unemployment, etc, it won't be difficult to...

Stop shaving, showering, and wearing a burka.  Or chanting at Alan Hu's Snack Bar.  When dumbed down enough, we'll start ululating too.  Watch for that trend on American Idol.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 22:56 | 4872227 RECISION
Wed, 06/18/2014 - 18:42 | 4871414 pakled
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There ain't no good guys... there ain't no bad guys... there's just the New York guys.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 18:44 | 4871427 NOTaREALmerican
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And der ain't nobody gonna mess wit da boyz from da Hamptins, letme tell ya. 

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 18:48 | 4871436 Jack Burton
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According to a BBC news report I heard on the radio today, it is known that over 100 American citizens are members of ISIS and actively fighting on the battle fields of Syria and Iraq. This is nothing compared to the 2,000 +  EU citizens and more than 1,000 British citizens who fight for Al-Qaeda and ISIS.

Many of these Eurpeans have been trained by the USA at camps in Tukey and Jordan. The idea was that they would fight in the Syrian civil war on America's side. The Radical Jihad from across the Middle East and Europe seeking to conquer Syria and install an Islamic State after killing all secular leaders of Syria.

America has been the major funder of all this, and it's NATO alliance has been carrying out much of the arming and training. Turkey contains numbers of Jihadist base camps. American money and arms bought on the markets are given to Jihadists to train with and carry into Syria.

WIth no real border between them, both Syria and Iraq are flooded with well armed, well funded and well trained Jihadists who are either Al-Qaeda or ISIS. USA and NATO have created this force to a large extent. The biggest funding comes from the main US friend Saudi Arabia. Israel's mossad is up to it's lips in this whole thing, but they are better at keeping it secert.

Meanwhile. No American media has thought to question the USA's long standing support of Jihadist fighters in Syria and coming to Turkey and Jordan to be armed and trained to fight in Syria. US media refused to admit the direct connections between Jihad in Syria and Jihad in Iraq. They are the same people. No US government offical will comment on US fundign of Jihad. Or the huge numbers of EU and British Jihadists fighting for Al-Qaeda and ISIS.

American media? As usual, dead silent.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 19:13 | 4871535 Mi Naem
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""Israel's Mossad is up to it's lips in this whole thing, but they are better at keeping it secret." 

I've heard this before, but it doesn't make any sense to me. 

Why would Israel side with militarized Islamist Jihadists with designs on their own "Jewish" State territory? What could they have to gain? 

I understand that Israel created Hamas to oppose the increasingly powerful PLO back in the day, but this seems categorically different in the nature and magnitude of the threat.  I've always thought the Israeli leadership to generally be a lot more shrewd than this. 

Again, what could they have to gain, and what evidence is there for this astounding assertion?


Wed, 06/18/2014 - 20:11 | 4871716 SmittyinLA
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Read about the Jewish Golden Age on Wiki so you know its fascist liberal Jew approved

You may know it by another name, the Dark Ages where Muslims ran amok with invasion, murder, rape and looting for hundreds of years all over the EU. 

What were the Jews doing then? Celebrating the Golden Age, they cheered the murder of Christians then like they cheer the murder of Muslims and Christians today.

Jews do well under fascist dictatorships, ask Stalin, Lenin, Putin, or even King Abdullah, the only time Jews have problems with dictators is when they get cut out of the loot, then its "regime change" time and you're suddenly a terrorist.

Right now today all over the middle east are Israelis saying "see aren't the Americans evil greedy perverted godless pigs, we're your buddies, we'll even finance your freedom with weapons, here's some bullets & stuff cheap".

Thu, 06/19/2014 - 14:08 | 4874561 Mi Naem
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Well, this is interesting.  7 (so far) courageous, well-informed people with redthumbs, but nothing to say to legitimate, pertinant questions.  The closest thing we have to "evidence" is a Wikipedia article on Jews in Spain during the Middle Ages?!?  Gimme a f*in break. 

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 19:22 | 4871565 disabledvet
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Actually instead "we have this story."

For these clowns to be a threat they need to turn around first!  Baghdad is their goal...and indeed there are more than just Americans but many Westerners involved in this.

Having been "czeched" in Damascus it is only natural for these same forces to strike towards Baghdad.

This is suicidal of course...but at this point why even bother with strategy. The problem is Baghdad itself.  These clowns could not hold that City...let alone take it. But they could cause some havoc there.

What they have done however is thrown Iran into play and completely turned the war on its head.  "Now it will be the Shiites and Americans heading East."

No wonder people are speaking out!

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 19:27 | 4871578 junction
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The BBC already reported on ISIS safe houses in Turkey in December 2013.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 19:35 | 4871616 El Hosel
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US Media/Government all selling the same book.

Thu, 06/19/2014 - 07:33 | 4872844 TBT or not TBT
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Those western citizens fighting for ISIS are 99.9% infected with the mental virus called Islam.  Hopefully a few are fake, i.e. western intelligence agents loyal to western values.  But don't get your hopes up.  Government work does not attract the best and brightest.  In the defense intelligence agencies and FBI there are some, but God help us for the most part.   

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 18:47 | 4871439 GOLD AND SILVER...

Ya know, a Repig chickenhawk could have written this article....

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 18:56 | 4871470 knukles
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Interestingly, Out here on the Far Left Coast in the People's Republic of Other People's Milk and Honey, the far far left field Progressives are the most vocal and supportive of military intercedings in the Middle East....  Even more so than the neo-cons...
I shit you not...
Just the messenger, folks....

Principles take back seat to Personalities

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 19:38 | 4871626 pakled
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I live in the same locale. In 2003 it was quite the opposite. Hmmm.

Thu, 06/19/2014 - 15:55 | 4872853 TBT or not TBT
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The war protesting stopped getting traction, INSTANTLY when their boy got in charge of war and diplomacy.  Glad some are noticing.  Cindy Sheehan is still alive.  She was on the ballot out here in the PRK a couple weeks ago,  but her utility to the revolution ended with the annointment of The Won.  He has a Nobel Peace Prize after all.  Got it for his intentions, as guessed at by the enthralled scandies involved in that sordid process.  

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 19:44 | 4871646 GOLD AND SILVER...

Sad, but I believe every word you said.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 18:52 | 4871453 paint it red ca...
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'Why ISIS Won't Stop With Iraq'


ISIS was stopped in Syria. Why? Because Russia saw to it.

The difference in Iraq is the supposed opposition, the Iraqi's conqueror and benefactor trained the fuckers and likely had them sent there to cause other troubles because a defeat at the hands of the Syrians was certain.

That would explain why all those spy satellites (monitored from where?) did not detect that long column of pickup trucks full of insurgents and arms crossing through the Iraqi desert from Syria or Jordan. A single C130 gunship likely had the capability to devastate the entire column in open desert.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 18:55 | 4871463 Porous Horace
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None of our business.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 18:56 | 4871478 bshirley1968
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Want to know how far this is going to go?

Its time somebody find out whether Barry is a Shiite or a Sunni, don't ya think?  Other than being a Zionist pawn, he has ties to one side of this fight.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 18:59 | 4871486 surf0766
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When Bagdhad falls, oil to $200.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 19:20 | 4871529 Son of Captain Nemo
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This read forgot to mention when the real "Party" started after 1948 courtesy of the U.S. and England with those deep historical ripples in time of how their landscape has been altered much to their detriment...

The leases on that beach front property are all coming due!

Just sayin

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 19:21 | 4871553 williambanzai7
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All hell will break loose once they cross the South China Sea because that is Hoboken

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 19:26 | 4871583 Psquared
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For once we have to let nature take it's course. The west should provide whatever humanitarian aid we can but do NOT intervene because it is a bottomless pit which will bankrupt us. The Sunnis and the Shiites and the Kurds will have to work out their own destiny. And yes, it means an end to cheap oil as we know it.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 19:29 | 4871597 Kirk2NCC1701
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Is this really "our" problem, as long as they Reset the ME region?  As long as they don't go past the Arabic Peninsula, who cares!?

Even if it has metastecised and can no longer be controlled, so what if the House of Saud falls, or the Emirates, Qatar, etc?  It'd be the Black Swan that ends the Petrodollar.  Bring out the popcorn.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 19:34 | 4871613 I Write Code
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Yeah like the white man stopped at the Appalachian mountains.

Like Bill Clinton stopped with one bimbo.

Like San Antonio stopped at Miami.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 19:35 | 4871615 cristo
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"Given that, anyone who thinks ISIS will stop with Iraq is delusional."

isis will stop when the despotic goverments of quatar , saudi arabia and usa  that are paying the bills tell them to stop .



Wed, 06/18/2014 - 19:39 | 4871628 RECISION
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True DAT...

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 19:45 | 4871647 TrulyStupid
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So far ISIS is  recapturing its homeland in Sunni Iraq...things will change if they start conquering someone else's home territory. The Shiites will flee sunni territory, but dig their heels in their hood.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 19:57 | 4871681 Oldwood
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Sounds like they have plenty of money and weapons now. They may have flown out of the nest, as it were, eliminating their dependence on allies. The same problem we had with Saddam, he reached a point where he didn't need us anymore and could do pretty much as he wished.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 20:54 | 4871641 butchtrucks
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It's so great having another bogeyman. First the Russkis, then the Chinese, then Saddam, then Al Queda, then the Taliban - and now (drum roll please)  ISIS!!   These guys are straight out of central casting.   Should be good to keep the fear-mongering chicken hawks in appearance fees for the next few years - plus some new 'nation building' money for Haliburton.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 19:44 | 4871645 machineh
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Greater Syria = Eretz Israel = insane fantasy of violent religious fanatics

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 19:51 | 4871668 are we there yet
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Go out and find a cat, any cat. Look at the cat closely, the cat thinks that the world is there to serve it, it is arrogant, and proud, and profoundly dumb, and will scratch and hiss for unknown reasons. Cats evolved from the middle east. So arabs, and muslems have the brains and temperment of cats. They came from the same place. You can fix cat hoarding, but how do you fix arab hoarding? /reality break off

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 20:02 | 4871691 d edwards
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Why drag cats into this radical islamist civil war? Sunnis killing Shi'ites, and vice versa like these fuckers have been doing for centuries. Let them have at it.


BTW, I like cats.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 22:11 | 4872030 are we there yet
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No cats were injured in forming this blog. Including ones with cat pans facing mecca.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 20:08 | 4871707 kellycriterion
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I can't believe anyone is taking this article seriously and responding either affirmatively or negatively. It's a diversion, a red herring.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 20:18 | 4871735 we built this city
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Israel's Mossad is up to it's lips in this whole thing, but they are better at keeping it secret.

 Israel Mossad has no connection to the extreme groups of the Gihad however Israel is helping refugees from Syria and also hospitalized more than 900 fighters of the rebels in Syria . these guys came to the border asking for help because they were injured

Israel is looking for allies that are not radical in order to have a security zone in the border with Syria - this to mantain Hizballaw and AL qaida away from the border

Israel is the only country in the middle east that can fight the gihadist because of its  technology superiority (drones and ant missile defense systems)  

The region will burn for quite a long time and terror will eventually spread to Europe and to the States 


Wed, 06/18/2014 - 20:41 | 4871791 Blood Spattered...
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Nothing like a little d00m p0rn to get the sheep restless!

"ISIS is coming to take your baby!  ISIS fucked your wife!  ISIS hates you for your freedoms!

Just remember to give money to your GOP or Democrat parties so we can make the scary brown people go away.

Now pop your Wellbutrin, go shopping and tune into American Idol like a good sheep.  We got this."





Wed, 06/18/2014 - 20:52 | 4871823 Addibrux
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  There's money to be made in this hot world, let it fuckin burn, and stop letting it distract you. OT, I'm sad to say that ZH made our company snub list yesterday, in IT claiming it's a cookie monster clogging the Fortitude filter, and is now "forbidden" and blocked. HaHa. I'm certain I wasn't the only one out of 233 peeps tagging it.

 If it's any comfort Tyler, Fluff Post was snubbed last year, but ironically Info Wars is still allowed, as are legitiment investing sites. The upside is that I'll always have an adult beverage in hand now, when baroozing this site.

 Anyway, this country is the greatest money making machine in history. Fuck these sand niggers. If world events are costing you, you're betting wrong.

Thu, 06/19/2014 - 00:49 | 4872491 mc225
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well, it does seem like zh indeed has massive amounts of cookies. it appears to suck down serious bandwidth, constantly.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 20:54 | 4871830 earleflorida
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I'm glad that you had mentioned the (    ) May 16, 1916, for it was less than a years time that the USA entered WWI (4/16/17- 11/11/1918)-- (Note: The Middle East for centuries were all tribal areas and nomads going their separate ways.). Why enter into WWI? The USA was swimming in oil and was a major exporter up until the late 50's, early 60's!

But, then came WWII in Europe and the Middle (ME) East and Asia/Japan. After WWII formed CENTO/ METO ie. Baghdad Pact* (    ) in 1955 under the Eisenhower Administration's prodding and perserverance-- a formalized treaty was initiated... which included Iran, Iraq, Pakistan, Turkey and the United (UK) Kingdom (the USA led the negotiations but could not participate becauses Dulles was the lead man and was thought to be affiliated?, with the pro-Israel (AIPAC) lobby.

The Eisenhower Doctrine was a speech to Congress (    ), a 'Special Message', Jan. 5, 1957 (Note: quite similar to the Monroe Doctrine?) about the agression of the Soviet Union's Communism, that was actively present in the ME especially in Egypt!    

The subject matter that the author talks about goes way back. To fully appreciate its nascent fortunes?, or better said, 'Its Full Blown Zeitgeist (from Tribal-Nomadic-Instincts into a Modern Civilized shoebox?!?) Movement'.    Ref: "The U.S. & Iraq: A History  [10/19/02] by Richard Becker

Lastly, some dated material (essays) from "The Soviet Union And the Middle East  by Walter Z. Laqueur c.1959 --- Quotes [Ibid] pgs.341-43

"The successes of the Soviet Union in the Middle (ME) Eas that Russia was not involved, and could since 1955 cannot be ascribed to any single cause: they certainly cannot be explained by the magic of words, such as  there, or 'Arabian Oil.' It is even doubtful whether they should, or even could, be interpreted solely in terms of foreign policies. One great secret of the Soviet achievement here was merely that Russia was not involved, and could not refrain from action whenever, or wherever, the West could hardly avoid it. In the Arabworld, Russia was not tarred with the brush of Imperialism: for forty years it had been absent from the area, whereas the Western powers had been very much in evidence there. The Western powers sought to 'organized' the Arab world, where they established sundry defensive strongholds, whereas Russia could advocate a neutrality which coincided with the desires of the Arab elites. The West, or at any rate Western Europe, was largely dependent on Middle Eastern oil, and believed that loss of it would be a catastrophe, while the Soviet Union could very well do without it. While Western interests clashed everywhere with the rising tide of Arab nationalism, Russia was thus able to appear in the guise of a diinterested and benevolent onlooker. For obvious geographical and historic reasons, the Soviet Union could support the Pan-Arab movement-- as it could not, for instance, support a Pan-Turkish movement."

end Quotes,... Finally? Russia has disposed of all radical leaders since their (demise) dissolvement Dec/1991. It has been ~twenty-three years and Russia is in a good position with Iran, Syria, and Eqypt's Sisi!!!  


Great read , Thankyou

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 23:40 | 4872353 TeethVillage88s
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Was it bankers that convinced the USA to enter WWI?

We know that propaganda was used to sell the war, the great patriotic war.

How silly & absurd of this United States to think they could seize the high ground and stay out of wars! Self Determination! Self Actualization! We the People Indeed!

Power is well know in 1776 Europe. Power comes from Treaties & Contracts, from Charters & Trade, from Labor & Profit.

Power comes from
- Owning Debt
- Owing Favors
- Lending Money
- Having Armies
- Having Colonies oversea in all places
- Extending Credit
- Offering Protection
- Stepping-In in a Crisis
- Defining the Narrative
- Writing the Laws
- Having the Governments Ear (foreign governments too)
- Providing Wealth, Trust Accounts, Financial Investments, Deferred Wages, Tax Relief
- Having a Monopoly or Oligopoly (i.e. Rockefeller)

and at a base level
- Owning the cops, the DA, the Mayor, the Governor

So why the Hell did the USA all of the sudden start participating in Foreign Wars and develop propaganda & advertising at the same time.

Of course the USA sort of took over the Haciendano System in the Caribbean, Central America & South America by the 18th Century. People that overthrew their oppressors found that the working conditions and wages were no good. So we sent in the US Navy & Marines.

So perhaps we (our Government) just realized or were forced to see the Capitalistic Realities. In capitalism, someone is always your boss. In Capitalism, you always need money and a good Financial Rating.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 21:19 | 4871880 Paracelsus
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Tell me again why we spent billions on that embassy in Bagdhad?

I remember when the Arab spring got going,because of one unemployed engineer with a kebab cart in Tunis decided to kill himself in protest.But it could not have occurred without the fertile ground already existing.

These ISIS guys come out of nowhere?Where's the journalists in the field?Were their stories getting spiked?

Look,Obama and the rest of the DC crowd,all that money spent on nation-building was wasted.It could've been spent on all the busted up veterans but there is no PR value there (and no oil control).Short of tactical air strikes I am not sure if these fellows will be stopped.I hope all those state dept. flacks and merc's sitting around the pool at the embassy got a nice tan because it will be awhile before you are back there.

Oh,if the Navy is gonna push the choppers over the side again can they please save me one? I paid for it.....

One last small item.Under normal circumstances,if we had an employed society,strong gold backed currency,America might survive what's coming.

We got through the second world war,but that took a huge patriotic commitment and mobilization of the workforce.Had a drive through downtown Detroit or Cambden or Newark or Trenton lately? At nighttime? QED.

Now tell the mothers of the marines fallen in Fallujah and elsewhere why their kids were shot to bits.....

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 23:16 | 4872296 TeethVillage88s
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Might have been Al Qaeda Request.

If the Creation of a Caliphate was the Plan, and the US thought that this greater regional conflict could produce a winning outcome, then US would agree to build a Hardened position from which the terrorist or ISIL could base from in Baghdad.

Never know. Guerrillas need a base to operate from just like everyone.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 22:04 | 4872062 auntiesocial
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Let them do a little spring cleaning and then we will drop some hardware on these fools. 


Wed, 06/18/2014 - 22:17 | 4872091 Duc888
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Two words:  Sunni Caliphate.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 22:40 | 4872163 Ned Zeppelin
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Failing to mention that this entire episode marks just another chapter in the 1000+ yr war between Sunnis (Saudi Arabia, 9-11 bombers) and Shiities, a division within the Muslim "faith", and I use the term loosely, puts this author and his article in the trash can. Warfare party member, no doubt.

We must stay the F out of this. Period.

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 23:11 | 4872282 TeethVillage88s
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Caliphate Banking OR Terrorist Banking

Stateless Guerrillas have unknown bank accounts.

Who is to say bankers arean't funding both sides of the war again?

Maybe there are plans within plans.

Robert Baer wrote about the Caliphate in CIA Reports before his retirement about 2002. He reported that his mission should focus on arms dealers, the Muslim Brotherhood, and the people that wanted a Caliphate established(all I can remember).

A) Suppose US-Israel plan was to break up the Large Middle East Countries in order to control them (Divide & Conquer)
B) Suppose US-Saudi Arabia plan was to Expand Saudi Influence & Land Holdings
C) Suppose US-Al Qaeda plan was to split up Iraq, Syria, Jordan into smaller countries so that ISIS/ISIL had a country to control and build power perhaps as an oil bank/reserve that deals with US & forms a Central Bank

But what if as the author states ISIS/ISIL wants "Greater Assyria", "Greater Sham".

Anyway Terrorist hide their location, their weapons, themselves, camouflage their person, and hide their funding sources.

Calling Techies and Middle East Bankers.

USA no doubt produces and sells weapons to many people and they can be resold to anyone. Hm, and endless market in the Middle East. Especially if no one tracks weapons dealers, arms dealers.

Robert Baer seemed to say in his books that the Caliphate idea was a threat, but that there didn't seem to be funding or solid backing from what he could tell.

Fast Forward to the US Wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, Rendition, Dirty Wars with Torture, Drone Strikes, disappearances, unreported violence, unreported civilian misery, inhumane lack of data collection on refugees, disease, rape and murder in refugee camps. Huge Economic devastation by the worlds biggest Capitalist.

Anyway what can we be sure of?

We need Anonymous to find out if Bankers are funding both sides again.

Where is the CIA Banking these Days?

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 23:18 | 4872303 swmnguy
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ISIS is awfully handy, aren't they.  They've helped kill a lot of people in Syria, but that's hopeless because as much as the people of Syria can't stand Assad, they'd rather have him than the US/Saudi/Israeli terror puppets in charge of them.  So ISIS scoots into Iraq, where by the most amazing coincidence they seem to have linked up with remnants of Saddam's guys, and they threaten Maliki who is Iran's guy.  The US is pissed at Maliki for rejecting the Status of Forces Agreement and being cozy with Iran.  We pretty much said, "Nice little country you've got here; sure would be a shame if something were to happen to it and US forces weren't here to help you out,"  and glory be, look what's happening.

ISIS isn't going to invade and rule anything.  They're just going to slaughter as many people as they can, spark a revival of the Shi'ite/Sunni Civil War we provoked in Iraq in the first place, and then disappear until they pop up someplace else. 

Probably Nigeria, where they also rejected US offers to insert troops to "help" them with an until-then very minor insurgency in Boko Haram.  Our ISIS pals can help provide the pretext for us to turn that country into a failed state, too.  As they did in Libya, also.

This trick is getting really, really old.  Except it still works. It produces a great deal of death and misery.  It puts the poor bastards who have to live there whom we're manipulating between a rock and a hard place, where they have to do what we want even though they know it's their doom.  And it can be pitched to the complian US media in ways that appeal to all our uninformed prejudices and propensities, no matter how we tend to see things.

There's a reason "O'Bomber" hasn't yet done squat.  It's because things are going exactly as we wanted them to, in Syria, Iraq, Ukraine, Libya, Nigeria, etc.

Thu, 06/19/2014 - 07:50 | 4872867 TBT or not TBT
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Please.  The Sunni Shia hatred and tribal warfare over there kinda predates America, the Discovery some centuries.  It predates the Inquisition.  It predates the Magna Carta.  It predates the motherfucking Crusades dude.   Get a grip.  

Wed, 06/18/2014 - 23:37 | 4872343 palmereldritch
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All according to plan.  Trained and staged in Jordan by Western forces, supplied from Libya, through Benghazi and directed ultimately to the borders of Iran.

Iraq is to become to Iran and Syria as Ukraine is now to Russia.

If Russia was pro-active (the best defense is a good offense) they would offer direct assistance to Baghdad.

Now that would make the Neo-Con artists in the Pentagon shit their drawers

Thu, 06/19/2014 - 00:07 | 4872414 TeethVillage88s
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earleflorida Reminded me

The Soviets had a program or encouraged middle east women to marry Russian men.

I can't remember the source at this time. I might be confused as we have a large geopolitical/Realpolitik picture to look at.

So Russia knows what is going on as well as our US Intelligence.

Happy part: The women from the middle east seem to like there Russian husbands and new families. They have more rights, have better education for kids maybe, and are not abused by husbands.

Question: Could the Russian be funding both sides of a conflict in the Middle East? Like the Terrorist, like Hamas, or Hezbollah, or Syria, or Saudi Arabia, or Jordan, or Turkey, or Armenia, or Azerbaijan, or Iran, or Qatar, or other ME Countries that are buy weapons or Oil from Russia.


Thu, 06/19/2014 - 00:40 | 4872469 Gadfly
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You scared Claude?  Are you trying to scare us Claude?  Give it up.  It's not going to work.  We've seen this movie too many times before.  It's a royal con job plain and simple.  If you're so concerned about ISIS and what they plan on doing, why don't you get a gun, strap on a helmet, and go over there and fight the bastards yourself, instead of trying to get us to spend our tax dollars and spill our blood for you and your oil investments in Iraq.  You're a tool, a weasel, and a coward.

Thu, 06/19/2014 - 01:28 | 4872523 Joe A
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So they want to correct an 'historical wrong'? We have plenty of those in history and we can continue correcting them until the end of time which is apporaching quite rapidly I have to say. For some at least.

Thu, 06/19/2014 - 06:16 | 4872748 Disenchanted
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Sham, the english meaning, is quite appropriate here...


sham: anything that is not what it purports or appears to be

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