Why ISIS Won't Stop With Iraq

Tyler Durden's picture

Submitted by Claude Salhani of OilPrice.com,

The slaughterhouse that Iraq has become in the past week is the stuff that nightmares are made of. And this is just the beginning. 

The threat emanating from the group calling itself the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant is so serious to the stability of the region -- and beyond – that even Iran said it would not oppose U.S. military intervention if it were aimed at the Islamists who have embarked on a rampage of murder and looting across Iraq.

The stunning and unexpected victories by the Islamists are very worrisome. In a region that is no stranger to conflict, this one is particularly frightening and has far-reaching consequences, including the threat of spin-off groups similar to ISIS taking root in surrounding nations.

A militarily successful Islamist force straddling over parts of Iraq and Syria will pose a real threat to the security and stability of those countries’ immediate neighbors. Even Syria, where government forces are fighting their own civil war, has offered to send troops to Iraq.

Turkey, Jordan, Lebanon, and, of course, Israel, would be the first to feel the effect of a takfiri victory.  But so would Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Bahrain, Qatar, the UAE, Oman and Yemen. If ISIS is successful in Iraq, there is little reason to believe they would stop

Left unchecked, the Islamists could eventually threaten the stability of countries in Central Asia.

Here’s why the threat goes beyond Iraq and Syria.

In English-language news reports, there are at least two ways in which the group is referred to: Islamic State of Iraq and Syria, or ISIS, and the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, or ISIL.

In Arabic, of course, neither words – “Syria” or “Levant” -- are used; instead, the word “Sham” is used. The closest translation of that into English is “Greater Syria.”

Many in the West are fooled by the use of the word “Syria,” and may fail to see the real dimensions of the threat because they think of Syria in the modern geographic sense. But that word, in Arabic, is “Souriya.”

Most Middle Easterners, when they hear, “Sham,” or “As-Sham,” know it refers to Greater Syria.

What’s the difference?

Modern Syria is bordered by Turkey to the north, Iraq to the east, Jordan and Israel to the south and Lebanon to the west.

“Greater Syria” incorporates most of the territories of each.

“This is what "Syria" means in the mind of Middle Easterners, says Joshua Landis, director of the Center for Middle East Studies at the University of Oklahoma, and author of the respected blog SyriaComment.com.

“If we can teach people that so many Arabs still think of Syria as Greater Syria, they will begin to understand the extent to which Sykes-Picot remains challenged in the region,” said Landis.

Sykes-Picot, of course refers to the secret agreement drawn up by two British and French diplomats -- Sir Mark Sykes and Francois George-Picot -- at the end of Word War I dividing the spoils of the Ottoman Empires between Britain and France by drawing straight lines in the sand.

To this day, many Arabs refuse to accept that division and think of “Syria” as “Greater Syria.” Some go so far as to include the Arab countries of North Africa – which from the Nile to the Euphrates forms ‘the Fertile Crescent,” the symbol of many Muslim countries from Tunisia to Turkey. And some even go as far as including the island of Cyprus, saying it represents the star next to the crescent.

Given that, anyone who thinks ISIS will stop with Iraq is delusional.

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rtalcott's picture
Why ISIS Won't Stop With Iraq

For the same reason the US won't stop...

SilverRhino's picture

Saturation Nuclear Bombardment .... it's the only way to be sure.   

After all of the videos I have seen of ISIS?  Burn them all.

SafelyGraze's picture

fortunately, there is no way a us-trained outfit could conduct operations domestically, within the us borders


NotApplicable's picture

Yay, another OilPrice.com article. *rolls eyes*

BraveSirRobin's picture

If you like your Greater Syria, you can keep your Greater Syria, period!

I MISS KUDLOW's picture

everytime its on the news there seems to be no violence economy seems like its humming in the background, all ive seen is the same pictures of people lined up on the ground is there really fighting going on?

Keyser's picture

Supply lines... ISIS may have captured $$$, but who is going to supply them with arms and ammo now that they've gone off the reservation? Will uncle sugar continue to arm both sides in this conflict? 

Herd Redirection Committee's picture

Greater Syria?  Is that another name for Eretz Israel?

cristo's picture

who needs uncle sugar when you have ant quatar and that retarded counsin saudi .

Keyser's picture

They still have to purchase the arms and supplies from either Russia, China or the US... 


TheReplacement's picture

Are you suggesting that all three of those would refuse to sell arms?  At least two of those countries are not threatened by ISIS forces.  Those two are oil dependent if they sell arms they might just sell them for oil.  Russia is right next door and certainly there are a lot of Chechens who would like to return home.  We'll (US) sell guns to Saudi Arabia all day long.

Uchtdorf's picture

I thought China was buying every drop of oil they could get their hands on.

ThirteenthFloor's picture

You missed the Brits. BAE would sell anything for oil contracts. Witness 9-11.

TBT or not TBT's picture

There are over a hundred countries whose private and/or state enterprises sell weapons.  Not just three.   You need to do a little reality check. 

Canadian Dirtlump's picture

No shit not applicable. Is this retardate aware than isis has comparably few fighters and the heavy lifting in this fight thus far has been by militias headed by saddam husseins former strong man izzat ibrahim al douri?

The iraq coverage here has gone from bad to full blown aids.

TheReplacement's picture

It would be great to have a link with which to follow that up.

11b40's picture

Chicken Little's and Chicken Hawks busy setting their hair on fire and still trying to drag us into war.

A few thousand rag tag fanatics, largely ignorant and undisciplined, are severly limited in their ability to grow. 

They can't really develope a command & control struture or any kind of formal government, because they can't bunch up anywhere.  If they do, they can easily be vaporized.  Like any mob, they can destroy, but will soon lose what support they have. 

I hope we can just take a deep breath and let this play out.  I have no dog in this hunt, but if there is a real threat to America, then let's hear about it, and when I see politicians start talking about a war tax to pay for the adventure and a draft to suply the forces, then I might be convinced to change my mind.  That ought to be about the 12th of Never.

Freddie's picture

I wish they would try. 

14.6 million licensed hunters in the United States. I bet most have scoped .308 and .223 rifles too.


The Syrian Army and Syrians did a pretty good number on this ISIS ZATO-Saudi scum.  The Syrians have guts and are not fat asses who watch TV and Hollywood like sheep.


Crawdaddy's picture

thanks for the link amigo

<edit> holy crap - trebuchet footage


Matt's picture

Are they just firing across an alley at the other side of the street, over top of the bombed out apartment block they are in?

Crawdaddy's picture

yeah what the hell are they aiming at? Firing over a three story building. I suspect the guy down line to catch the landing zone may be a bit of an edit 

TheReplacement's picture

That's what winners do - innovate and do what it takes.  Those people are not going to give up.

Squid Viscous's picture

I always defer to Oklahoma U. profs when it comes to foreign policy advice...??? Go Sooners!

blackbeardz's picture

"Saturation Nuclear Bombardment .... it's the only way to be sure." -SilverRhino

That is too kind. Why not coat them with the fine dust of a depleated uranium projectile. Then generetion after generation will remember the cowardly acts, both sides now.

BraveSirRobin's picture

I am afraid saturation nuclear bombardment is not enough. First the nuclear bombardment, then spray it down with nerve gas, then agent orange, then napalm it. And to ensure it forever stays destitute and impoverished, drop the government of detroit in to rule over the remains.

americanspirit's picture

SilverRhino and supporters - Your stupidity is breathtaking. A few videos make you advocate all-out nuclear bombing? Have you even thought of all the millions of innocent people who would be cremated? Or is collateral damage involving millions of completely innocent men, women and children somehow OK? After all, they're probably not Christian, like you no doubt.

You unfathomable idiots.

BigJim's picture

We're going to kill all the women and children making sure we kill the evil butchers who have been killing some women and children.

The difference is - it's just collateral damage. We'd really only kill the butchers if we could. So it's ok.

BraveSirRobin's picture

Sorry, I really do not get your point.

knukles's picture


The Caliphate

Anybody besides me understand the significance of 9/11?
Try the Gates of Vienna Sept 11, 1683

It has been and is going to be a Long War

nmewn's picture

People are so fucking dumbed down they can't even comprehend what you're talking about.

To them, "Dracula" (Vlad the Impaler) was a movie about a really evil guy who could change into a bat...lol.

knukles's picture

I noticed in another thread when I was merely and very clearly relating a Progressive position out here in the Land of Fucknuts and cited several basic sociological/psychological conditions as reference ... and was told some very unique things to do with myself and how silly ass dumb I was ...
I thought the depth of some responses should have culminated with a 3 week cruise locked in a stuffy cabin with Paul Krugman and Al Gore, everybody on speed and acid

nmewn's picture

I have nothing against acid (personally, not an endorsement, jus sayin) but being locked in a room with Krugman & Gore or any of the other flakes we run across...is like being on acid.

Its like "Bush!"...ummm, what? I said Bush!...so, shut up! Oh, ok. Starting to peak a little bit? Global warming! You, ahhh got a little bit of drool right there, no there...in the corner. Razzzist! For pointing out your drool? Free the boobies!

Now there ya go, something we can agree on ;-)

BraveSirRobin's picture

I other news, a winter snow storm hits Montana, Utah, and Wyoming and are getting snow, but Al Gore is genius, and you sir, are a backwards rube clinging to your guns and Bible, terrorizing everyone with opinions you should not be allowed to have, according to the most accomplished and ethical person in the universe who has been appointed your next emperor. We is you mind so closed? Why are you a hater? We all want to know.

nmewn's picture

Joe the Plumber lives!

Yep and statist whore, micro-managing, central planner extraordinaire...Michael Bloomberg, just gave 250k to the Cochran campaign to defeat McDaniel in a primary...and he accepted it.

Nothing to see here folks, move along, just move along.

Follow the money ;-)

Amish Hacker's picture

In the next evolutionary phase of American democracy, they'll just count the money and dispense with the voting altogether. Same winner.

nmewn's picture

Democracy, at some point we're really going to have to talk about this concept foisted upon the people. Is it just or a "right" of theirs, to vote themselves into my wallet because they can?

Men & women of law would say no, there is only so much a society can do or afford. "Fortunately", the Fed was born out of avarice & self interest, which makes all things possible.

From unlimited war to unlimited welfare, all the things we cannot afford.

But, at least we're asked to choose wisely ;-)

BraveSirRobin's picture

In the phase following that, they will round us up and work us until we drop on rice farms and such.

Freddie's picture


Maybe 14.6 million American hunters will get off their ass and shut off the ball games.

thethirdcoast's picture

No, because there are already way too many dhimmis in the West.

Stuck on Zero's picture

In a sense, true.  Revolutions have never stopped at the border.  Once the revolutionary forces smell the blood of victory they cannot stop moving forward.  After Mao's revolution China proceeded to attack all of its neighbors until exhausted.  The U.S. won against Britain and then moved Westward till stopped by the Pacific. 

nasdaq99's picture

we you forget that Iran has a little to say on the subject.  lots more oil and lots more people.


we don't have a dog in this fight.  let 'em duke it out and instead of 3 parties in Iraq to fight, let them whittle it down to only one.

rbg81's picture

The more I see what is happening in the Middle East, the more I think the REAL PLAN is to have them exhaust themselves fighting each other in the name of Allah.  Ultimately, it  would save us a lot of trouble.  After they've killed each to near extinction, the war weary survivors will hail us as saviors when we march back in.

TheReplacement's picture

Considering their birthrates, the oil will be gone by the time they attrit each other down.

Squid Viscous's picture

Bibi? nice avatar you silly old ashkenazi!!

JJdog's picture

but Obumer said he sent Al Qaeda running.........

Carpenter1's picture

They'll stop where Killary tells them to stop.

Dr. Everett V. Scott's picture




Why ISIS Won't Stop With Iraq


"Power never takes a step back, only in the face of more power."

~ Malcolm X

TeamDepends's picture

The spice must flow