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Darrell Issa Fuming Upon Learning Lois Lerner's Hard Drive Was Destroyed
Following Darrell Issa's subpoena of Lois Lerner's hard drive, the rather stunning (and ripped from the pages of a badly written inside-Washington TV mini-series) news is that the IRS reports that the hard drive in question has been destroyed (just as we hinted last night). "We've been informed that the hard drive has been thrown away," Sen. Orrin Hatch of Utah, the top Republican on the Finance Committee, said in a brief hallway interview and as Politico reports, Ex-IRS official Lois Lerner’s crashed hard drive has been recycled, making it likely the lost emails of the lightening rod in the tea party targeting controversy will never be found, according to multiple sources. Issa is pissed... blasting in a statement that the 'lost emails' meme was "just one more attempted deception... e-mails of a prominent official, don’t just disappear without a trace unless that was the intention." His response... requesting the White House attorney's testimony on Lerner's emails.
Ex-IRS official Lois Lerner’s crashed hard drive has been recycled, making it likely the lost emails of the lightening rod in the tea party targeting controversy will never be found, according to multiple sources.
“We’ve been informed that the hard drive has been thrown away,” Sen. Orrin Hatch of Utah, the top Republican on the Finance Committee, said in a brief hallway interview.
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“IT experts have weighed in and said yes — we can get those” emails, said Rep. Charles Boustany (R-La.) earlier Wednesday.
The latest news suggests such professionals may never get the chance to try again — and the IRS has even said its criminal investigators who specialize in rebuilding hard drives to recover hidden information from criminals were unable to restore the data back in 2011.
“We believe the standard IRS protocol was followed in 2011 for disposing of the broken hard drive. A bad hard drive, like other broken Information Technology equipment, is sent to a recycler as part of our regular process,” an IRS spokesman said in response to a query from POLITICO.
So the standard IRS protocol is to wipe away all the evidence? Can US taxpayers then use the same protocol to "wipe away" their W2s?
As for this latest fiasco, who could have possibly seen that coming? Well, everyone.
As for the hard disk, we have a suspicion it will not only have passed through a massive magnetic field first, but ultimately Issa will receive something that looks like this:
At that point it will be up to America's army of White Hat hackers to attempt salvaging whatever data is on it. Because only in the US government - the same government that demands businesses retain electronic data for years at at ime - is there no requirement to back up one's communications and files.
Upon learning about the latest lie from the IRS he issued this statement.
House Oversight and Government Reform Committee Chairman Darrell Issa, issued the following statement on news that the IRS destroyed Lois Lerner’s hard drive containing e-mails from the time period of IRS targeting:
“If the IRS truly got rid of evidence in a way that violated the Federal Records Act and ensured the FBI never got a crack at recovering files from an official claiming a Fifth amendment protection against self-incrimination , this is proof their whole line about ‘losing’ e-mails in the targeting scandal was just one more attempted deception. Old and useless binders of information are still stored and maintained on federal agency shelves; official records, like the e-mails of a prominent official, don’t just disappear without a trace unless that was the intention.”
And finally his latest request:
House Oversight and Government Reform Committee Chairman Darrell Issa requests testimony on Tuesday from Jennifer O’Connor of the White House Counsel’s office, according to statement from Issa’s office
Committee seeks answers from current White House attorney who supervised IRS’s response to congressional inquiry
House Oversight and Government Reform Committee Chairman Darrell Issa, R-Calif., today requested that Ms. Jennifer O’Connor of the White House Counsel’s office testify on Tuesday, following Internal Revenue Service (IRS) Commissioner John Koskinen’s testimony on Monday.
“From May 2013 until November 2013, you served in a career position at the IRS as the Counselor to the Commissioner, with the primary task of ‘navigat[ing] the scandal over [the IRS’s] reviews of conservative organizations,’” said Issa in the letter. “In this position, you had a direct and substantial role in the IRS’s response to congressional requests for documents, including documents sent or received by Ms. Lerner. In fact, IRS Chief Counsel William Wilkins, when asked who was supervising the collection of, ‘documents relating to the committee’s requests for material,’ responded ‘Tom Kane and Jennifer [O’Connor] are the two I would identify as the key supervisors.’ Given your prominent role in supervising the IRS’s document review and production processes, you likely knew or should have known that the IRS was missing a portion of e-mails sent or received by Ms. Lerner responsive to the Committee’s subpoena.”
Ms. O’Connor earned a promotion to the White House earlier this year. The Oversight Committee had previously subpoenaed Koskinen for testimony which comes as a result of the agency’s recent statement that the IRS lost an unknown number of emails pertaining to the activities of former IRS official Lois Lerner from January 2009 to April 2011. It also comes on the heels of the IRS’s repeated empty promises of compliance with oversight.
One wonders how long before her hard drive fails? and also how long until Americans finally realize they too have had enough, and proceed to inform the IRS they have systematically "lost" all tax forms documenting income sent to them in the last several years as well?
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Dayum, what were the odds?
Poor Lois
You think Darrell Is pissed, you should see the video of Hitler when he found out about the destroyed hard drive!
Darn! Where is the NSA when you need them? Don't they have those emails archived at a facility in Utah?
You're not supposed to point that out, Bennie.
Meanwhile, back at the White House, Bathouse Barry just busted out in a fit of giggles, screaming "what are you gonna do about it, Issa, you bitch?" He then rang up Reggie's cell phone and said to come over and bring the "toys", he had something to celebrate with him. Whatever that means.
If Lois Lerner or any other person at her level of management really wanted their email archives back and couldn't get them, heads would roll in the IT department. As no heads rolled, it is obvious she didn't want them.
The premise that there would be direct email communication between Lerner @ her IRS email account with the WH is overly simplistic and naive IMO.
That’s not to say there wasn’t information on the hard drive that would lead somewhere hence the need for its destruction and the neat ending to an indirectly false narrative. Kind of like Obama’s original birth certificate, it’s not necessarily what you think it says but it does probably lead somewhere important.
If there was communication between Lerner and parties @ the WH, discretion would most likely dictate it be indirect and through a private email provider (e.g. Gmail, Hotmail, Yahoo etc.).
Issa would probably be more productive in serving subpoenas on all these large private email providers for any account information established with Lerner’s parent IRS email account(s). That private email account, if it exists, would be a treasure trove of contacts and content.
The only thing more absurd than the excuse, “The dog ate my hard drive” would be the people accepting the theatre affirming it as the end of the story.
This is all pointless. There have been and will continue to be endless government scandals, and the sheeple will forget them in an instant when their dole checks come in the mail. Until the revolution begins, I think I'll stay in bed and sleep.
Sometimes grade school children in Chernobyl is use "my homework is melt" excuse, but IRS in Amerika is make Boris laugh with feeble excuse.
Issa isn't that stupid, so why is he acting like he doesn't understand that emails don't reside on PC hard drives...that all servers are redundantly backed up...that off-site archives to tapes are also kept of everything from the servers...and that we all fucking know this basic shit??? He doesn't really want to bust Lerner at all.
Remember...at the heart of everything out of the District of Criminals it's all just political theater to keep the masses enthralled in the political ping pong bullshit they're playing for us.
This is just another WWF style scripted match and we're supposed to play the part of the idiotic rednecks who believe all this shit is real.
But after the "big show" in front of the crowd and the cameras, the players all go to the locker room, laugh at what idiots the crowds are for believing all this scripted bullshit, and then they go out and get drunk together and plan out the next "big show".
Best guess? Holder has his nuts in a vice.
Just call it 'Holdering'
ps Welcome back is Boris!
Sometimes I think they bet each other how stupid the people are and what they will buy as an excuse.
Playing with fire at this point.
What are you gonna do Daryl, hold your breath till your face turns blue. PUSSY!!!!!!!!!!!
Can't the NSA just use the metadata to source the delivery and retrieve the emails from the recipient? It's still her data..right?
Intentionally destroying incriminating evidence usually earns you 5 years in the pokie. Luckily, the Law only applies to the Little Peeples so she's safe.
The attitude of this Admin...
On all it's lawlessness against the American people..
Is "FUCK YOU!"...
"We dare you to do anything about it!"
Of course, the wimpy Repub opposition...
Is terrified of appearing racist...
As the Left's race baiters...
Will point out over and over again.
Our Nation is being completely destroyed,,,
By Political Correctness!
Check the servers.
Emails are usually stored on a server somewhere.
If these are e-mails that she sent to others, then wouldn't they also reside on the computers of those she sent them to?
And if these are e-mails she received, wouldn't they also reside on those who sent them to her?
Of course all of those drives have also been damaged. What luck!
If you wanted to review somebodies legacy emails you don't need their .PST file.
Surely EVERYBODY knows that emails travel over the wires and are copied and stored at multiple locations including;
the source work station,
the source server,
the source server back up system,
the ISP servers,
more ISP servers,
the destination server,
the destination server back up system,
the destination work station,
the NSA's dragnet operation out in Utah.
Surely in 2014 nobody on the planet actually believes for one moment that sent emails can be destroyed?
Obozo voters.
This is way better than Geitners turbo-tax failure.
They just announced that they found the hard drive with those chemical weapons
You really think one of those fucktards in congress knows what a server is? Issa is worth over $300mm. He pays people to know what a server is. Heaven forbid he would listen to them, but he pays them.
Issa isn't that stupid and I am sure he understand all of that. It is the rest of the country who doesn't and he is playing his part to keep the slumbering beast asleep. You are absolutely right with your WWF analogy. Most people think of their own computer and don't know how it works but know there is a hard drive, so it must be roughly the same for the IRS right. "Well, I guess her hard disk failed. I remember I had to get that boy from down the street to fix mine when it failed."
They are claiming the backup tapes had been rotated so they have since been overwritten. Many organization do this.
It is fucking amazing. I get a ticket for failing to get in the left hand lane from a right hand merge and this bitch gets away with this.
It is clear now that there is a double standard and if this was Nixon, Bush,Carter, Reagan, or Bill Clinton, they would have been impeached overthis, if not physically removed from the White House.
Fucking arch criminals.
Issa is just reading his lines.
Not every day the prosecution incriminates itself. The judge may be able to feign ignorance but he isn't looking too innocent either.
Unless he goes after the servers and the back-ups, the minimum charge is incompetence.
The entire government sham is just getting ridiculous. It's like a child who says a few lies. Then, further lies are required to cover up the initiial lies. It soon becomes an exponential explosion of more lies to cover all the previous lies. This Ponzi of of lies will implode one day soon, not too unsimiliar to the financial system.
The implosion of the Ponzi of Lies will happen coincidentally with the Ponzi Financial System (which is also a lie) as there will be a lot of demonizing and fingerpointing.
Coming to a theater near you soon and every night is Audience Participation Night.
Darrel Issa is just pure theater.
Peak lies.
Emails are NOT stored on hard drives. They are stored on the SERVER!!! Come on you effing criminals!!!
bullish on lies! bullish on criminals!
There have been a million examples of criminal self-incrimination via the electronic method.
This time was no different. Only a liberal or retard would think otherwise.
If this was a repub or conservative, the media would be creaming on themselves, and on each other.
They have been fellating Obama since he was a candidate.
I guarantee you there's an optical backup of every keystroke she ever made & not just at the NSA. At issue is getting your hands on it.
I understand ISSA prefers arson to lose the pesky details.
Addendum: My scenario above is just one of the many paths Issa should be pursuing. The overall explanation provided bythe IRS is patently ridiculous on its face as thoroughly dissected on these threads and elsewhere.
However, using a layer of private email addresses between the ultimate end parties has the added bonus that it provides a firewall against direct incrimination.
The WH can thus effectively and honestly (from a technical weasel lawyer speak perspective) answer that:
No...we provided all the emails we received from Lois Lerner @ the IRS. (Now, orc.bitch.irs666@hotmail.com, well that's a different matter all together. We got a fucking boatload of those babies...But you know what?...No one asked).
Lois Lerner’s Lost Emails: Questions for the IRShttp://sharylattkisson.com/lois-lerners-lost-emails-questions-for-the-irs/
The Building 7 of Hard Drives
"Ms, O'Connor was promoted to the White House" can you say "Executive Priviledge"? These are criminals, but we have no one to prosecute them, Bye America..
I am beginning to think this is just another coordinated operation by both parties red and blue to distract and divide after all the republicans hate the tea party more then anyone and were just giddy when they were being ass probed by the revenue crowd. I'm calling bullshit and you watch, not one fucking person will do a minute of time over this. Once the election is over this whole thing will blow over.
"not even a smidgen of corruption."...........BHO
who cares about a hard drive? Emails aren't stored on a freakin hard drive! The question is, were the emails erased from the mail server? Were they NEVER part of a backup process? Were the back-up's destroyed or altered?
At the IRS, there's a very good chance that even internal IRS emails traveled over the internet...which means, the NSA does have them...which means, you'll never get them for this investigation.
Can't wait for that one, I need a laugh
Re: the burning of W2's, they can't replace us all with Mexicans can they?
....oh wait...
Repeal the 16th amendment and this won't be a problem. Of course the republicans and democrats want to keep playing games which only serves to legitimize the immoral practice of enslaving people by way of direct taxation.
How about repeal the government?
pods
the 16th amendment was never ratified
The SCOTUS differs on that, sorry. Everyone who has used that as a legal argument has been screwed, except for one jury nulification in Arkansas.
I don't like it, but the judicial prostitutes don't care.
Heads will roll!!!!!!
/not
That's a start now. A few other drives at the IRS and Social Security office and we'll easily be free men once again.
One would think that the group "Anonymous" would be able to trace and find all of Lois Lerner's emails. They're "Hackers". This should be right up their alley.
It was destroyed because POTUS was in the loop and this would lead to his impeachment. So the only answer is to impeach him anyway. and to your question what were the odds? 100%. POTUS won't be impeached... for this. But if you still want to change America here is the only way. www.scienceofliberty.us. Liberty is the only answer. Serfs Up America!
Lets get real here folks......emails are not "stored" on anyone's local HD. They are stored on servers and backed-up multiple times. All they have to do is subpoena the back-ups and the emails from her personal account! And charge her with destruction of evidence-Gov. property and obstruction of justice.
Sheesh.....
lets just remember: Sec treasury Timmy G, tax fraud, Lerner and Husband Miles, both long term IRS, both working with white house, demorats in senate and congress, pulls this we aint got no stinkin e mails..
seems like they want the public to see the IRS as a corrupt crime syndicate, but why?
it is very clear with the selection & the election of barry S aka hussain O, as a viable candidate for POTUS, that the powerful elite, have dropped all pretense, removed the curtain so to speak, the Managed MSM as a weapon, they can do anything with no real opposition in .gov, the courts or the law inforcement branches, the public is at their mercy.
They are on a server somewhere.
Call in the IT people.
Absolutely. I have worked professionally in this field for ~20 years as a sysadmin. This is just utter bullshit. It is an offensively stupid claim that the 'hard drive is gone' therefore the 'data is gone'.
Yep, I have used people with your talents to find shit like this going back at least 15 years. But the common illiterate will buy this line of shit.
Yep. I once just pressed the "wrong" button on my computer. Or was it because I had a new computer? - I really can't remember. What I do remember is that I had to wait bugger knows how long while it re-downloaded every single e-mail I had ever sent / received, including ones I had deleted.
Hard drive gone? No problem. The messages are still in cyberspace. The Ministry of Truth's "job" is a little bit more difficult than they imply.
Do you have any idea how many people who use computers as their primary work tool are shocked to find out that the pictures they were storing on that "backup" USB drive are gone now that the drive has died? It simply does not occur to them that the pictures need to be in two places for either place to be considered a backup. These are the people who work, pay taxes, and vote in this country. They must be good at something but it isn't thinking.
I worked a few years, 2003-2005, as a broker - Series 7 and Series 66 NASD licenses. You wouldn't believe the expense Eliot "Whoreface" Spitzer put the mutual fund industry through over a few incorrect commissions. You know - hero of the small investor against the Wall Street thugs - all so he could better become governor. I am sure the expense ran into the hundreds of billions. People had to go retieve, sort, and refil emails back to the dawn time - that would be 2000ish. or whenever Al Gore finished birthing the iNet. And that was before mass storage was cheap and abundant - you know - stone tools and bearskins.
Soooooo WTF? IRS has those beauties somewhere. Totally implausible that they are lost. Americans being taken as fools.
BTW: Is there any doubt at this point how completely ineffectual the Republicans are. They do want to kill ObamaCare. (I hope they succeed.) It goes like this....Mr. President....you can't launch an internet site in four years....the IRS can't keep emails....the IRS will be supervising ObamaCare insurance premiums and the tax/penalties thereon.....and you expect the American people to trust their financial AND medical records to the IRS/government!?!?!? I mean....Dude....you can't not be impeached AND keep ObamaCare. Choose and do so by next Tuesday. I bet the Pubs would set Lois free in return for the dissolution of ObamaCare. The administration would go for it given the judgment displayed during the Bagdahl/Taliban SwapGate.
OBTW: Did any of you notice that the press didn't stop to compare Obama's refusal to negotiate the budget with the House/Boehner- leading to the government shutdown (not taking sides here) - but he did negotiate with terrorists? Did he go so far as to refer to Boehner's crowd as financial terrorists. (I have been listening to Max Keiser too much.)
Boo Hoo! The utterly useless industry that exists to steal money was forced to archive emails. Cry me a river you fucking financial devil spawn.
I didn't make a dime in it. Unwilling to do cold calls. Just tried to sell my energy expertise and convince people to throw diversification out the window. Hey!!! Crude wen to $140 in '07.
Spitzer went totally overboard. An inquiry was not unjustified. Mutual funds have their place. I would suppose that they would be replaced by ETFs over the long haul - if that hasn't happened already. Remember - there are more mutual funds out there than stocks on the NYSE.
The brokerage industry is a bit of a parasite. But then again, J6P doesn't know the difference between a stock and bond.
Save me your "Red Team" rhetoric.
The Republican Led House...that is right...Republican...VOTED TO FUND ObamaCare last October. They could have killed it in October as ALL FUNDING ORIGINATES IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES.
Financial support is SUPPORT. They put their money where their mouth was not.
Fuck you statist slime.
That's right. There is a back up tape done on these systems and every month. There is most definately a record of this. This is clearly being criminally covered up and now I know what excuse to use when I decide not to pay the IRS any taxes. "Sorry all my receipts were on a hard drive that I threw away once I knew you were investigating me".
Hang this bitch
the IRS did indeed confirm that the Outlook server data were archived to tape. the catch? they said they recycled the tapes every 6 months in a clear violation of the Federal Records Act, so the only remaining copy of those emails was on Lerner's PC. that's of course complete bullshit for two reasons: its a serious violation of the law, and IT was certainly aware of it, and 6 months is an absurdly short retention period for a govt agency that engages in protracted litigation over tax cases from years ago. lets take Lois Lerners' activities as a case in point - the whole IRS scandal started because she delayed conservative 501c4 applications by 1-2 years. so you mean to tell me that she only had 6 months worth of email history regarding c4 applications that were pending for much longer than that?
separately, Congress should go apeshit over the announced "policy" of recycling backup tapes. macro, IRS is very well funded since its the revenue arm of the entire freaking govt. they're not pinching pennies. micro, do you know how cheap tape storage is? a 1TB tape cartridge would cost the govt maybe $20 (yes, twenty dollars). for point of comparison, a Blu-ray disc is 25GB - and it holds 4-5 hours of HD video and uncompressed sound. so a single $20 backup tape is equivalent to 40 Blu-ray discs. and the IRS wasn't required to store HD video, just plain text.
"they said they recycled the tapes every 6 months "
If that's the case, why did the IRS commisioner testify in March of this year, more than 6 months after the period in question, that they had the emails stored and and on servers??
I worked in IT support for many years and have been a part of quite a few drive recoveries. Anytime we needed critical data recovered from a drive we would send it to a company such as Ontrack. They have clean rooms where they take the drive appart and mount the internal disks on a fixture that acts just like the drive they were taken out of. It's expensive sometimes, but please don't tell us that the IRS Tech department has never heard of this. An even worse mistake is to keep that archived email file on the local drive at all. That's what a network is for, and if their infrastructure hasn't progressed to this level by now, God help them.
Rule of thumb DC&H; to find something you actually have to be honest about wanting to.
Like I said call in the IT people. If he doesn't then you know that answer and so does everyone else.
The inquisitors would yield better results than the IT people.
The "ticking time bomb" scenario was always a red herring for (sometimes well meaning) useful idiots of lying politicians.
As long as morality is irrelevant and the outcome for the ignorant of ordeal by water is acceptable-- then a 100% success rate in extracting actionable intelligence is achievable.
At 1:43 on this clip, the IRS commissioner testifies to Congress, "They're not all on my computer, they're stored somewhere."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ax6QGmKhRwo
They shouldn't have anything to worry about. At 2:18 the commissioner says, "They get taken off and stored in servers," when asked how long it would take to get the emails.
No shit.
Its the most ridiculous thing they've ever come up with.
"Yes, you see, Lois' hard drive crashed right after the election in which "rogue agents" stormed through the CinCi IRS office looking for razzzzists willingly complying with tax law, so naturally the thing for us to do in DC was to take the crashed hard drive, run it through a wood chipper and then shoot it into the sun. Then we discovered a virus from Lois' machine had infected all the servers and all the recipients of her emails so we trucked them over to the Yucca Mountain nuclear waste site to vaporize the virus.
Its just bureaucratic protocol, we have guidelines to go by here and we've saved the world as we know it in the process!
You should be thanking us!!!"
So, if I destroy my hard drive nobody will be able to read my e-mails ever again?
Sweet!
Where's the hammer?
WTF??
Okay, and granted I'm not a tech guru, but what about the hard drives of the persons who received the emails and/or who sent her the emails? Oh, and the email providers of all of these presons. And the backups. And the... nevermind.
Issa is pissed but hasn't thought of any of these things?
They're trying to say, they only archive emails for six months. Meanwhile, we are expected to archive our tax returns, reciepts, ALL DOCUMENTATION for seven years even as they build NSA storage facilities in Utah for text messages about what to grab on the way home from work at the grocery store.
It's Red Team/Blue Team shit. The Red Team is pissed because the Blue Team destroyed a single hard drive. Meanwhile, anyone with half a brain (or less) knows this is theater. The emails obviously exist. No one is really looking for them. There is no fucking spoon.
The emails obviously exist and the Blue Team now has the role of Chief Inquisitor by virtue of its position & the law which supports BOTH.
If it will not be done one way, it will be done another and I don't want to hear any whining about the outcome.
So, in your case there is still a spoon. If you're going to use it, may as well pull a Phillip Michael Hoffman.
seymour
Fuck. I blew my load and all I got was this sticky T-shirt.
Absolutely true nmewn. My husband sometimes pulls up 5 year old emails ( he gets up to 300/day) to prove his innocence when the company is trying to pin a design problem on him. He told me this is not uncommon in the software field when a customer has issues and management wants to flail a serf. Every interaction must be retrievable to diagnose problems. The only explanation in this case is the reverse has to be true.
Miffed;-)
Yah -the Republicans aren't going to bust this one. Its a free pass for when THEY "get" the Oval Office -and sic THEIR IRS commisioner on the opposing peasants.
All Kabuki Theater for the CNN "news"
You're right, republicans aren't going to bust this one.
We are.
Define "we". It's certainly not the zombie sheep that inhabit my world.
Sigh. I think MH he literally means us. Look at the American Revolution which was only supported by 40% of the population of the colonies and an even fewer number actually participating. Our sheeple are no different. They will go about their daily lives and live by reaction vs action or forethought. I think some may wake up but the grand majority will stampede. That is why I have positioned myself in a way not to be run over by them.
Funny how much of life is just being handed something you didn't actually chose. It's how we deal with this defines us as a person.
Miffed;-)
They don't have the balls to do it.
If they were really interested in the truth, they would shut the IRS down until the emails were produced.
SHOCKING!
SHOCKING I SAY!!!!!
SHOCKING that one criminal is SHOCKED AND PISSED....at....another criminal
KABUKI THEATER OF THE ASININE...
..today's CON................gress
B U L L S H I T
It is not the targeting of the Conservatives they are concerned about as far as the contents of those emails goes.
Keywords Malik Abongo Roy Obama
When to destroy harddrive:
Remnants of an on line love affair.
When government corruption is uncovered.
I was born at night.
BUT NOT LAST FUCKING NIGHT!
all large organizations run backups
there are no exceptions
those backups are incrementally added to each day
so Issa is either stupid or uninformed or both, or this is just another staged gewberment event
I think it's staged
Issa is a banker stooge. He is running interference, so the banks can keep on looting the country. He isn't interested in finding any truth, just keeping the spotlight off the real fucking criminals.
Everyone involved needs to be THROWN IN JAIL! I would be. You would be. Apparently the Government cannot be unjust, because it is the Government. The infallible SCOTUS has ruled on this many times......
Fuck this sitting in jail with 3 hots: I want the motherfuckers taken out back and shot starting with Lois' BOSS.
Iran just hung a banker for absconding with a few bi$$ion. No wonder there is such pushback to joing forces with them against ISIS. (Or would that be Issa?)
Iran hangs billionaire over $2.6b bank fraud Largest fraud case since 1979 Islamic Revolution sends four scammers to the gallows, including tycoon Mahafarid Amir Khosravi.http://www.haaretz.com/news/middle-east/1.592510
Like...why didn't we swap Jon Corzine for Bowie Berghdal? Maybe we still could for some yellow cake.
The News has already been switched from "Back-Up" to "Hard Drive Destroyed".
If there is absolutely no E-Mail Trail, then the Fix is in and always has been.
There is a Cancer on this Government.
There is a cancerous Government on this nation.
Government is cancer.
Err....call the NSA.....that is why they are there......
Wrong. They are there to keep track of OUR e-mails.....
Hey Darell....... kiss my ass!
Bra ha ha ha
Sincerely,
Your Friend
Erik Holder
Those emails are on all her underlings hard drives. It might take some time to find, but the forensics guys will find those emails.
NSA<> We OWN IT!
This just Republicans grandstanding about destroyed hard drives and deliberately ignoring the multiple backups that exist.
If that were the case, then the admin would have produced the emails.
It's theater, both sides protect the inside actors.
The two sides are the criminal PTB and everyone else.
Race, religion, countries, sexuality.. unimportant in theselves but used skillfully to divide and conquer.
Government is the problem.
I'll repeat that....
Government is the problem.
Yeah, it's not just her emails or hard drive, either. There's a half-dozem more people she communicated with that have the same mysterious problems with archived mail.
Red/Blue shit aside, I think at this point the coverup establishes that if those emails were actually found, there'd be hard evidence of blatantly illegal orders from the WH to interfere with the tea partiers.
Of course, nothing will happen.
Common man. There was a solar flare last week. Lighten up.
Oh. and take them all out to the gibbet.
And the emails from six other IRS employees crashed too, and the server crashed, and the server backups were destroyed - and we can get a bunch of selected emails too, but not the ones you want - cause maybe only the ones we don't want you to see crashed... And leprechauns took them and rode away on unicorns...
Ok, so yes. The emails would be on the mail server.
The local drive is mostly irrelevant...mostly. Never know what goodies would be on it other than mail. They destroyed it for a reason.
But there is another angle.
Other agency's have been caught using commercial email services to skirt the retention and oversight regs. EPA was a biggie, if I recall correctly.
CIA director Petraeus pulled this same stunt with his mistress using gmail.
Those fucking emails are out there...and when they are pulled from commercial sites, that shows intent to conceal illegal acts and obstruction. This was an organized and concerted effort to illegally harass political foes followed by obstruction and cover up. Nixon was a piker.
At this point....if Issa had a SINGLE FUCKING HAIR on his ass, he'd be working a special grand jury RICO web on these twats.
It would be s slam dunk.
And since he's not, we know everything we need to know about this charade.
Roll dem mu'fuckin' guillotines already!
I know that some People are banking on the NSA turning the Fascists out; but, I'm hoping for ANONYMOUS to step up right about now.
C'mon, Folks; FARK these crooked cocksuckers 'till their eyes bleed!
And here comes the distraction. Yes it is HufPo but that is the point.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/19/scott-walker-prosecutors_n_5512...
MADISON, Wis. (AP) — Newly released documents show prosecutors are alleging Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker was at the center of a nationwide "criminal scheme" to illegally coordinate with outside conservative groups.
The documents were filed as part of an ongoing lawsuit challenging the probe by the conservative group Wisconsin Club for Growth. They were ordered publicly released Thursday by a federal appeals court judge after prosecutors and the Wisconsin Club for Growth did not object.
One of the filings from prosecutors outlines previously unknown details about the investigation that began in 2012 as Walker was facing a recall election.
Prosecutors say Walker, his chief of staff and others who worked for him were discussing illegal coordination with a number of national groups and prominent figures, including GOP strategist Karl Rove.
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Might as well kill 2 birds with one stone in this well timed release to flood the news cycle since they are still pissed about not being able to knock this guy out in a recall election after he stuck it to the unions in Wisconsin.
Hey!!!! Did you watch the Dems take down the last governor of Virginia - over a Rolex and a dress for his wife. Maybe some extra snacks from the governor's mansion pantry. They didn't lose the governor's emails. Had them all and probably made a few up as they went along.
That scared the daylights out of me.
The Dems run a nasty and effective machine.
The Pubs haven't the manhood to respond in kind, and the population doesn't seem to give a hoot.
See Mish's post - repeated recently on ZH - about the growing Dem/Pub gap. I don't understand it. They both work for the same master but fight like cats and dogs.
What was the Zionist plan for the Middle East again?
Keep them all fighting amongst themselves.
Just subpoena the computers of all the recipients of her emails... Or... subpoena the server of the email service being used... The emails still exist... Somewhere...
It just came out today that the mail for the recipients and the backups of the mail server are both "missing" as well.
So they're one step ahead on this one.
What a giant fucking mountain of horseshit - ALL the fucking backups of the SERVER, and ALL the recipients servers and desktops are ALL missing? Wow, the public either doesn't fucking care, or is too fucking stupid to deserve the truth if they let that slide.
Oh, it's not the public that's not caring. It's pretty clear the WH is behind this, and they're the ones that don't care.
Odds are nothing happens, or Lerner gets thrown under the bus before O departs, and he pardons her before leaving the WH. If her lawyer stalls right, she might not even see the inside of a cell -- and of course, will never testify that she'd been ordered to do what she did.
Stored in Building 7 I guess.
Oh, wait a sec.....
Can you believe it? The computers of the recipients crash as well. ALL GONE!
Ya man. The drives and servers were wiped clean by the Corruption virus. The virus corrupts hard drives. Now it all makes sense.
But dont worry the IRS still has a backup drive for the supposed mistake you made on that 1099 form from two years ago so that subcontractor is now an employee and you owe withholding plus 28% interest...
Unfortunately for government officials, they are ignorant of the current state of technology. The destruction of a single hard drive does not detroy an email or collection of emails. In order to destroy emails for good, one would have to destroy the server hard drive configuration, which may actually be spread across multiple hard drives at the server location. Emails can, of course, be stored locally on the computer that sent them in addition to the server, but for the emails to be permanently destroyed, one would have to destroy all of the hard drives that were in use on the server or servers in question.
And that doesn't even touch on the fact that the NSA has copies of these communications.
ISSAS is not ignorant, but in collusion.
Are they saying that the IRS does not back up its computers????????
Issa should subpoena every person's hard drive that Lois might have possibly sent an email to in addition to NSA's data on the IRS.
We have completely lost control of our government.
We have no legal mechanism to regain control of the government.
We have completely lost the transfer of wealth from the 99% to the 1%.
We have lost the Supreme Court to special interests and politics.
We have lost the Republic to a Central Fascist Oligarchy.
You know what, I have faith in the American people. We're going to turn this around. TPTB fucked up and got too greedy and let us see behind the curtain too early.
I don't know how, or when, but we will take this back.
The electorate hasn't had control of its government for a very long time. It is nothing new. In fact, the scandals of today absolutely pale in comparison to the scandals of decades past. I'm particularly thinking of Iran-Contra and all of the associated tentacles, but there are many other instances.
"In fact, the scandals of today absolutely pale in comparison to the scandals of decades past. I'm particularly thinking of Iran-Contra and all of the associated tentacles, but there are many other instances."
Iran-Contra? Brahaahaha! Paleaze!
Nothing in the past compares with the blatant corruption under the current administration! Here's just a few of the most recent scandals:
• Operation Fast & Furious — a government-sponsored illegal gun-running scheme designed to purposely go awry so as to induce public outcry for gun control. The ATF lost track of hundreds of firearms, many of which were used in crimes, including the December 2010 killing of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry. Eric Holder told Congress in May 2011 that he had just recently heard about the Fast and Furious gun walking scheme when there is evidence he may have known much earlier.
• Militarily intervened in Libya in 2011 without the Congressional approval required by the War Powers Act — technically an impeachable offense.
• Greatly expanding the number of unaccountable “czars,” which essentially amounts to unilaterally adding new federal departments with no congressional oversight — leading to a true “bureaucracy” in the original sense (rule by unelected bureaucrats). Appointed Van Jones, a former avowed communist who supported a “9/11 Truth” petition, to be “Green Jobs Czar.” Appointed John Holdren, who previously entertained the notion of forced mass sterilization to stop overpopulation, to be "Science Czar." Appointed Kevin Jennings, who led a group that promoted X-rated “sex-positive” textbooks for 13-year-olds, instructed teenagers at a conference how to perform “fisting” (anal penetration by fists), who refused to report instances of statutory rape, and who expressed admiration for a member of NAMBLA, to be America’s “Safe School’s Czar.”
• After the attacks on American interests in North Africa on September 11, 2012, Obama gave a speech to the U.N. and declared “The future must not belong to those who slander The Prophet of Islam” — transferring the blame from the attackers onto the makers of a film trailer that supposedly “offended” the Islamists. When the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe recently held a conference on human rights, Obama sent an American representative — Salam al-Marayati, a Truther who blamed Israel for the 9/11 attacks and who also praises Hezbollah and Hamas. To the nations of Europe, al-Marayati spoke for all Americans on the topic of human rights. After Nidal Malik Hasan massacred 13 people at Fort Hood while shouting “Allahu Akbar” so as to become a martyr for Islam, the Obama administration refused to classify his action as “terrorism” and instead deemed it merely “workplace violence.” The Obama administration came up with the bizarre euphemism “man-caused disasters” to describe acts of terrorism — because he wants to downplay terrorism as a significant political issue.
• Lied about his close associations with former Weather Underground terrorist Bill Ayers; pretended the two barely knew each other, when multiple sources document they were friends and close colleagues for years.
• Violated the U.S. Constitution by authorizing assassinations and drone strikes to kill American citizens abroad — without due process. Established an extra-Constitutional top secret “kill list” of people (including Americans) Obama claims the right to kill on sight, and then bragged about it publicly.
• Illegally ending the welfare-to-work requirements passed by Congress.
• Doling out $800 billion in stimulus cash for “shovel-ready” jobs that didn't exist — the money just evaporated with no measurable economic benefit. Obama’s Department of Energy awarded $529 million to Fisker Automotive to build their Karma hybrid electric cars — even though they are manufactured in Finland, cost over $100,000 each, and tend to explode. The Obama administration funded and promoted Solyndra as its poster boy for green energy despite warning signs the company was headed for bankruptcy and then received campaign contributions from the company. The administration also allegedly pressed Solyndra to delay layoff announcements until after the 2010 midterm elections.
• An intentional refusal to enforce federal immigration laws. When states voted to enforce the federal immigration laws which the federal government refused to enforced, Obama sued to stop them.
• When states tried to stop election fraud with voter ID laws, Obama sued to prevent them from doing so. Instructed Attorney General Eric Holder to stonewall any investigation into the voter intimidation case against the New Black Panthers.
• Ordered NASA to make one of its top priorities not space exploration or scientific research but “Muslim outreach.”
• The Justice Department performed a massive cull of Associated Press reporters’ phone records as part of a leak investigation. The Justice Department suggested that Fox News reporter James Rosen is a criminal for reporting about classified information and subsequently monitored his phones and emails. Attorney General Eric Holder told Congress he had never been associated with “potential prosecution” of a journalist for perjury when in fact he signed the affidavit that termed Rosen a potential criminal.
• When Inspector General Gerald Walpin discovered during a 2009 investigation that one of Obama’s political allies (the mayor of Sacramento) was misusing government funds for personal gain, Obama unceremoniously fired Walpin — even though rooting out fraud was the job description of the Inspector General.
• HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius solicited donations from companies HHS might regulate. The money would be used to help her sign up uninsured Americans for ObamaCare. A U.S. special counsel determined that Sebelius violated the Hatch Act when she made “extemporaneous partisan remarks” during a speech in her official capacity last year. During the remarks, Sebelius called for the election of the Democratic candidate for governor of North Carolina.
• In June of 2011, he anointed his own underage daughters as “senior staff members” so that their vacation to Africa would be paid for with taxpayer money.
• Convened the National Commission on Fiscal Responsibility and Reform (a.k.a. the Simpson-Bowles commission) in order to address a major economic crisis…and then summarily dismissed and ignored their recommendations.
• The 2009 National Christmas Tree in the White House was decorated with ornaments depicting Chairman Mao, a drag queen, and a picture of Mount Rushmore that included Obama’s own head next to George Washington’s.
Nice post, thanks for taking the time to write it.
Gonna need a high volume gullotine to sort out our Republic's corrupt/criminal capos presently doin' bidness in D.C.
No shit. Quick! Somebody invent the fully-automatic guillotine.
And for a name, the "Georgetown Ginsu" has a nice ring to it.
Pale in comparison? Benghazi makes Iran Contra look like a picnic in comparison.
Try to imagine how this left wing mainstream media would handle a Republican president in this scandal. That's the difference. It's clear that this US government funded Al Qaeda in Syria with Libyan arms? And it barely makes the news. Obama gets a pass. How is that in our national interest to get arms to ISIS to fight in Syria and Iraq?
We will never take it back. America as we once thought of it, with natural rights, is dead. Whatever replaces it won't be anything like what the founding fathers envisioned.
Detroit was a great city befor it was erroded from within. People there waited a long time thinking the worst is over. D.C. is erroding America from within with its hidden puppetmasters, and welfare state.
This hag's e-mails exist on multiple disks in multiple systems in multiple locations, as they would at any corporation.
Any IT guy would tell you that.
Lerner is trying to make it sound like a stand-alone PC in a back bedroom.
Any IT pro would laugh this out of the room--they're not even trying to hide their criminality any more.
Thing is, Issa is stupid and bought-off enough to believe it.
Agree, Issa is part of the problem, and deserves the same 'quick drop and a sudden stop' as the other criminal traitors.
Issa requested a lot more than a hard drive.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-06-18/darrel-issa-subpoenas-lois-lern...
Per the Examiner here are the items Issa is asking the IRS to produce:
the irs is more powerful than congress. lerner sez suck it issa.
This tells me it points directly to the White House and Obama. Seems Lerner would be under the bus by now if it wasn't something big and destructive to the country.
I foresee a freak nail gun accident in Lois's immediate future...
This 'lost hard drive' gambit is the last thing keeping Lerner alive. 50/50 she gets dead.
It was bipartisan both parties sent them. So Darrel is just pandering again. FFS he might be one of her emails?
Precisely.
I suspect that the Republicans don't want the Public to find out what unconsionable and unconstitutional depths THEY were willing to stoop to in cooperating with the Democrats in protecting the STATUS QUO DUOPOLY.
Issa is one of the richest and most powerful of the Republicans.
An outsider candidate just shook up their hierarchy up in a big way by upsetting a primary, not an election: a primary.
Issa and the Republicans sold out the right wing/tea party faction in collaboration with the democrats in an attempt to protect and sustain the shared power construct. The superficially adversarial left-right Dem-Rep political theater would be unmasked if the emails were actually fully disclosed.
The IRS scandal IS in effect a National Security Emergency.
-An Emergency threatening the Security of the national DEM/REP Political Duopoly.
+1. Very well-said.
Nevermind that there are almost assuredly backups on the mail server. It's laughable to claim that because this end-user hard drive was destroyed the email was lost.
A user's workstation is a *client* of the mail server. All the email, even after being deleted (one must assume at a place like the IRS), is still retained on the central server. This is akin to saying you're not guilty of theft because you burned the receipts of the stuff you bought with that stolen credit card.
Then again.. it is entirely possible that a "rogue virus" selectively destroyed all of Lois email .. both on disk and on tape and yadda yadda.
In the new Amerika the government is not accountable to noisome congress folks and is most certainly not accountable to you shits the voting public.
As pissy as they get, the IRS pays for most of the Federal Government, though I don't know how much. The Golden Goose won't get cooked anytime soon.
almost 25% of IRS employees are black. How's that for disproportionate impact? The American ethnic group most dependent on government revenue is disprortionately ( by 100%!) in charge of collecting government revenue.
That might explain a few things.
Blacks are relatively good at stealing. That's why they are attracted to the IRS, DHS, and Presidency.