Ukraine Truce Lasts "Several Seconds" Before Latest Fighting Involving "4000 Troops, Tanks, APC" Breaks Out

Tyler Durden's picture

It took all of "several seconds", in the NYT's own words, for the latest proposal for a ceasefire, issued by Ukraine's new president Petro Poroshenko, to be "rejected."

Here is how the NYT framed it, and why the truce proposal is seen as a "lose-lose" idea from the perspective of the rebels: "After Ukraine’s new president, Petro O. Poroshenko, told reporters in Kiev on Wednesday that he might soon order a temporary, unilateral cease-fire as part of a broader 14-point peace plan, it took all of several seconds for pro-Russian militants to rule it out."

“I am a condemned man,” said a stick-thin fighter who, like many others here, identified himself only by an alias, Tarik, for security reasons. Sipping tea in the gloom of the lobby of Donetsk’s rebel-occupied administration building on Wednesday afternoon, he patted the magazine of the automatic rifle slung across his chest.

 

Any cease-fire would certainly be violated by the Ukrainian Army, he said, adding that he and other pro-Russian separatists would be arrested the minute the government had the opportunity.

 

“What peace can they possibly offer me?” he asked. “If they want peace, then they can leave.”

That's the big picture.

The details of the latest fighting, which broke out earlier this morning, come from Reuters :

Ukrainian troops and pro-Russian separatists were locked in fierce fighting in the east of Ukraine on Thursday after rebels rejected a call to lay down their arms in line with a peace plan proposed by President Petro Poroshenko, government forces said. Heavy fighting broke out at around 4 a.m. near the town of Krasny Liman, which itself has been under government control since early this month.

 

"We issued an ultimatum to the terrorists overnight to surrender their weapons. We guarantee their safety and investigation in line with Ukrainian law ... They refused," said government forces spokesman Vladyslav Seleznyov.

 

"Now we are trying to narrow the encirclement. They are trying to break out," Seleznyov said.

Ironically, the more a truce is trumpeted up, the worse the fighting gets: "Up to 4,000 separatist fighters could be involved in Thursday's fighting near Krasny Liman, and armored vehicles and possibly tanks were being used by both sides, the military source said. "There's a major battle going on which exceeds in terms of force and scale anything there has been up to now," a military source said."

Olesya, a woman in the village of Yampil near Krasny Liman, said Ukrainian forces had entered the village in armored vehicles bearing the Ukrainian flag.

"There's been no shooting. We residents went out into the street to watch the column - and then went back to hide in our houses again," she said by telephone from her house where she was with her husband and five-year-old daughter.

"But there was fighting all night. Mines were flying over our heads. Planes flew over and we could hear heavy weapons. It's awful what is going on here," she said.

Finally, the separatists fighters, realizing they only have to lose should they put down their arms, have no choice but to continue fighting, have "demanded that the Ukrainian military leave the region, called Donbass, while others wanted a war tribunal for Ukraine’s newly elected leaders. Most said they wanted the restoration of “stability,” the precise definition of which remained elusive."

“Maybe there was a way back when this all just started, when the people were out here with the flags to make their point, and before the killing,” said Denis, a separatist fighter from Makeyevka, a depressed industrial town outside of Donetsk, when asked how and when the conflict might be resolved.

 

Another fighter jumped in helpfully. “The Third World War,” he said to nods of assent.

So much for a detente which as we explained yesterday, even Putin is now working to promote. Sadly, as Denis summarized, any chance of a real truce is long gone as the time for diplomacy has passed. What remains will be a drawn out, mini civil war which will mark the lives of the citizens in the Donbas for a long time. The only winners now are those who seek continued instability in the region.

As for the general public, their focus on Ukraine has long since passed. Now, it is the turn of Iraq's 15 minutes of infamy to distract from whatever key events are quietly taking place behind the scenes.

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-.-'s picture

Good news for the New Normal this morning...

TeamDepends's picture

A few seconds..... not bad for the Blackrock mercs.

Newsboy's picture

I fasted for a whole morning, once. 

Very spiritual.

Latina Lover's picture

As usual, Viceroy Nudelman instructed the Kiev Kriminals to play Psyop games with the Donetsk and Lugansk separtists.  The good news is no one believed the BS since these are standard CIA tactics, well studied by the Russians.

Manthong's picture

gosh.. I forgot all about the power of a "Viceroy"..

now I understand about how the checks and balances have been destroyed.

Stackers's picture

Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

chapaev's ghost's picture

Hillary demands that you cease your terroristic comments immediately.

greatbeard's picture

>> I fasted

I fast between every meal, religiously.  If I lose my willpower and break the fast with a snack I jump right back on.  It is a very enlightening experience.

swmnguy's picture

That approach works with drinking and smoking pot, too.  Very good for the soul.

BringOnTheAsteroid's picture

I've tried it with wanking as well but haven't had that much success. Might need to lower the bar.

Latina Lover's picture

Kiev plans to 'give' land taken in Donetsk and Lugansk to government troops. Question is, who does the land belong to, and what happened to the inhabitants?  Sound like the Israeli model to you?

 

http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/ukraines-land-agency-give-land-t...

Winston of Oceania's picture

Same way the Russians got there after starving out the Ukies?

Latina Lover's picture

Another Kiev/CIA Troll, I see.  The Ukies that were starved also happened to be of Russian descent, and russians are descended in part from the Kievan Rus.

Anyways, I hope you enjoy being America's bitch.

 

http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/ukraines-land-agency-give-land-t...

MortimerDuke's picture

Hey Latina.  I need your help.  I'm also a Kiev/CIA Troll but since you seem to place quite a bit of emphasis on "ethnic descent," and my people are Irish, am I Ireland's bitch?  Or because of my US citizenship, am I America's bitch?  I just want to know where to report.  Thanks.  I'll listen off the air.

Latina Lover's picture

Since you so kindly asked Mortimer, the answer is I don't care since your situation is irrelevant to this discussion.

 

The Ukraine is now controlled by the USSA/EU under the management of Victoria Nudelman and CIA stooges.  Since the overthrow of Yanukovich, the Ukrainians lost Crimea, are losing Donetsk and Lugansk, experienced a 40% drop in the Hrynia (local toilet paper currency), pensions are not paid, taxes are up, incomes are cut, gas and food prices up over 50%, and all of this mess is controlled by dual citizen Oligarchs.  Just wait till the IMF comes in and gives the Ukies the ultimate fuck job.  The Ukraine will have to build a fence with Russia to block the escaping slaves.

Haus-Targaryen's picture

I like you. 

Still wanting a dozen or so armored Russian divisions to cross the border, but I understand why they are holding out.  Putin has more patience than I.  

angel_of_joy's picture

I think you could easily qualify as a bi-national m0r0n. 

fleur de lis's picture

LL- the Ukrainian famine was a planned genocide by the same people who planned the Bolshevik Revolution.

http://www.faminegenocide.com/resources/year1933.html

TheFourthStooge-ing's picture

Yes, and Ukrainians were not the only victims targeted by the famine. Kazakhs and Russians were also forcibly starved. A fact that Yatzi supporters conveniently forget.

fleur de lis's picture

Yes, the Marxists understood how to control people by systematically allowing access to food or denial when it suited them. They didn't care who starved as long as the perverse Bolshevik system consolidated its power and kept a grip on the population through terror.  

As for Yats & friends, they will recall and forget as ordered by Nuland/Nudelman and friends.

Volkodav's picture

Belarus also..but to lesser extent, as far as I know

chapaev's ghost's picture

I  assume you guys speak of the holodomor. There was no ethnic bias in that operation unless you count that of the dual-citizen leadership of the Soviet regime. The artificial famine created by the Soviet commissars was a class war. Yes, the entire Ukranian countryside was devastated, and yes, ethinic Russians moved in, either by choice or by government edict. It must simply be put doen to irony that the region now wants to be part of Russia.

Who's bitch are you? You are Rothchilds bitch, bitch!

gold_pa3ot's picture

Russian slut doesn't know that Putin - huylo!

Latina Lover's picture

Better the Russian Slut than bowing to Nudelman/Nuland. At least the Russian women are better looking than the dual citizen uglies.

Boogity's picture

Most of present-day eastern and southeastern "Ukraine" were annexed to Ukraine by Lenin in 1922, which was then a Soviet Socialist Republic. The people in these regions are largely of Russian ethnicity who had been living there been for centuries.

Crimea was annexed to present-day Ukraine in 1954 by Kruschev.   Present-day western Ukraine (i.e. "Galicia") was annexed to Ukraine in 1945 after WW2 by Stalin. This is where the Banderist Right Sector and Svoboda Neo-Nazis, who were the force behind the Maidan coup, largely hail from.  Only present-day north and central Ukraine, around Kiev, were part of historic "Ukraine".

Assuming you can read a map, this link might help you better understand the Frankensteined-together country known as Ukraine:

http://i.imgur.com/XMzawux.jpg

 

Mercedes's picture

Giving empty state owned land (of which there is lots in Ukraine) to soldiers (presumably in lieu of pay) is not the same as ethically cleansing and pushing out locals.  And the comparison to Israel is absurd.

Latina Lover's picture

Really, you know that it is empty state land, and you are sure that no one ever lived there, considering that the Ukrainian Steppes have been inhabited for thousands of years? Looking inside your own soul, would you believe the promises of the Kiev Government, who have sworn to punish the rebellious Russians? Besides, the Oligarchs and the IMF own all of the government land, and they won't give anything back, they will just take.

 

http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/ukraines-land-agency-give-land-t...

Mercedes's picture

Yes, I do.  I was in Ukraine last week, albeit in the west.  Locals were showing me fallow farmland and explained that the government sits on it so it's not developed.  The article you quoted gives no hint that the land would be stolen from locals.  And I actually trust the Ukrainian government far more than the Chechyn scumbags doing the dirty work for Russia.

Latina Lover's picture

There never was a Truce.... it was just a Kiev trick to disarm the Donetsk and Lugansk anti government fighters. 

tonyw's picture

The ukraine government could easily have ordered its troops to return to base and voila instant cease fire.

Instead the genocide continues:

http://veragraziadei.wordpress.com/2014/06/18/ukrainian-genocide-and-its...

Water, electricity and sewage have been shut-off in slavyansk, not exactly compassionate.

813kml's picture

It's called '"tough love", Neocon-style.

SmallerGovNow2's picture

Old trick just like the north used in the Outlaw Jose Whales....

Dr. Engali's picture

What they need is a Nobel peace prize winner to drone some sense into those men.

Manthong's picture

..and distribute nitro into the mix.

Latina Lover's picture

I think the Nobel Prize winner would love to work out a peace plan in a hot tub.

disabledvet's picture

WTF have we done there?

Time for that leader to go too?

Manthong's picture

we have not distributed enough cookies there yet.

Manthong's picture

"he patted the magazine of the automatic rifle slung across his chest."

..damn good thing it was not an accursed U.S. semi-automatic.

Urban Redneck's picture

NLP through a false dialectic - "laying down arms" is not "peace" it is SURRENDER.

Manthong's picture

false dialectic..

Cool.. - term of the day   :D

Urban Redneck's picture

"Pure sophistry" would have been too kind, and it is inaccurate -- both with respect to their ambitions and the means employed to achieve them.

There is a very clear method to their evil.

Or to be slightly less esoteric (given the depths to which humanity has sunk) -- why start at midfield when you can push the opposition to accept starting at 4th and 10 from their own goal line?

Volkodav's picture

and a bullet in back of head.

youngman's picture

Sunni vs Shite...Russian vs Ukranian....lots of hate out there....at least this one is not religious....

Chupacabra-322's picture

Here's another Novel Idea. Peace. How about giving Diplomacy & Peace a chance.

Dr. Engali's picture

That idea worked out real well for the people ruled by the western puppet government now didn't it?

Grumbleduke's picture

The world is like a ride in an amusement park, and when you choose to go on it you think it's real because that's how powerful our minds are.

The ride goes up and down, around and around, it has thrills and chills, and it's very brightly colored, and it's very loud, and it's fun for a while. Many people have been on the ride a long time, and they begin to wonder, "Hey, is this real, or is this just a ride?"

And other people have remembered, and they come back to us and say, "Hey, don't worry; don't be afraid, ever, because this is just a ride."

And we … kill those people.

"Shut him up! I've got a lot invested in this ride, shut him up!
Look at my furrows of worry, look at my big bank account, and my family. This has to be real."

It's just a ride.
All matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration – we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively. There is no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we are the imagination of ourselves.

But we always kill the good guys who try and tell us that, you ever notice that? And let the demons run amok … But it doesn't matter, because it's just a ride. And we can change it any time we want. It's only a choice. No effort, no work, no job, no savings of money.

Just a simple choice, right now, between fear and love.

The eyes of fear want you to put bigger locks on your doors, buy guns, close yourself off.
The eyes of love instead see all of us as one.

Here's what we can do to change the world, right now, to a better ride.

Take all that money we spend on weapons and defenses each year and instead spend it feeding and clothing and educating the poor of the world, which it would pay for many times over, not one human being excluded, and we could explore space, together, both inner and outer, forever, in peace.

- Bill Hicks -

Cathartes Aura's picture

always good to read Bill's words, and others who found the same awareness,

All matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration – we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively. There is no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we are the imagination of ourselves.

it's a shame that while so many admire these words, so few choose to live by them, so few truly choose between

fear and love.