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US Slams Its Former Iraq Puppet: "The Maliki Government, Candidly, Has Got To Go"
It was two days ago when we reported that America's third crusade in Iraq "Is Not Going As Planned: Iraq Prime Minister Defies US, Accuses Saudi Arabia Of "Genocide"", in which we said that "something unexpected happened: Iraq's Shi'ite rulers defied Western calls on Tuesday to reach out to Sunnis to defuse the uprising in the north of the country, declaring a boycott of Iraq's main Sunni political bloc and accusing Sunni power Saudi Arabia of promoting "genocide."... the Shi'ite prime minister has moved in the opposite direction of Obama's demands, announcing a crackdown on politicians and officers he considers "traitors" and lashing out at neighbouring Sunni countries for stoking militancy."
Furthermore, Maliki managed to infuriate not only the US with his intransigence, but more importantly Saudi Arabia whom he accused, accurately many would say, of being the true aggressor and instigator of sectarian violence, saying "we hold them responsible for supporting these groups financially and morally, and for the outcome of that - which includes crimes that may qualify as genocide: the spilling of Iraqi blood, the destruction of Iraqi state institutions and historic and religious sites."
This promptly escalated when, as we wrote yesterday, "In Escalating War Of Words, Saudi Arabia Fires Back At Iraq, Warns Of Civil War, Opposes Foreign Intervention."
That was just it: nothing but words, as certainly Saudi Arabia has zero diplomatic pull with Iraq. However, it does with the US.
Which is perhaps why the culmination of all the events in the past weeks was revealed overnight when when, as the WSJ revealed, "the Obama administration is signaling that it wants a new government in Iraq without Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, convinced the Shiite leader is unable to reconcile with the nation's Sunni minority and stabilize a volatile political landscape. The U.S. administration is indicating it wants Iraq's political parties to form a new government without Mr. Maliki as he tries to assemble a ruling coalition following elections this past April, U.S. officials say."
From the WSJ:
Such a new government, U.S., officials say, would include the country's Sunni and Kurdish communities and could help to stem Sunni support for the al Qaeda offshoot, the Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham, or ISIS, that has seized control of Iraqi cities over the past two weeks. That, the officials argue, would help to unify the country and reverse its slide into sectarian division.
A growing number of U.S. lawmakers and Arab allies, particularly Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates, are pressing the White House to pull its support for Mr. Maliki. Some of them are pushing for change in exchange for providing their help in stabilizing Iraq, say U.S. and Arab diplomats.
Here is how the US defines "democracy", courtesy of Dianne Feinstein:
The chairwoman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D., Calif.) told a congressional hearing Wednesday: "The Maliki government, candidly, has got to go if you want any reconciliation."
In other words, yet another majority-elected ruler is about to be replaced because the US is not quite happy with how he is operating. And to think this strategy worked out so well in Ukraine in the last few months.
Needless to say, one can't have yet another direct US intervention in another nation's affairs without John Kerry being present. Sure enough, he is:
Mr. Kerry was even more pointed in his criticism of Mr. Maliki on Monday, arguing his removal could help stabilize Iraq's sectarian divide.
"If there is a clear successor, if the results of the election are respected, if people come together with the cohesiveness necessary to build a legitimate government that puts the reforms in place that people want, that might wind up being very salutatory," he told Yahoo News.
Mr. Maliki's State of Law coalition won a plurality of seats, 92 out of 328, in Iraq's parliamentary elections. The country is waiting for ratification of the results, after which the parliamentary speaker will call on the leadership of Mr. Maliki's party to form a new government.
As we also noted yesterday, things in the middle east have flip-flopped so much in recent months, that Iraq, which for years was a close US ally has been left to fend for itself, while a sworn US enemy, Iran, is now America's closest middle-east ally, on par with Saudi Arabia. So much so that Iran may be instrumental in determining the next Iraq government.
Current and former U.S. officials said Iran will be crucial a player in efforts to form a new government in Baghdad and potentially remove Mr. Maliki, and will push for any new government to be friendly to its interests.
Tehran and Washington are Iraq's most important diplomatic, economic and military partners. And both the U.S. and Iran have pledged in recent days to support the Iraqi government in its fight against ISIS.
Former U.S. officials said both the George W. Bush and Obama administrations communicated regularly with Iranian diplomats in Baghdad during the political deliberation in 2006 and 2010 that previously elected Mr. Maliki. Deputy Secretary of State William Burns discussed Iraq's political reform process with Iranian officials on Monday in Vienna, according to the State Department.
And then there is of course, Saudi Arabia:
"We believe that Maliki's sectarianism and exclusion of Sunnis has led to the insurgency we are seeing," said a senior Arab official. "He unfortunately managed to unite ISIS with the former Baathists and Saddam supporters."
In conclusion, Iraq's third liberation, this time from a puppet government the US itself appointed to the country, is about to proceed, with the result being yet another puppet state, this time controlled by a joint venture of Iran and Saudi Arabia, which will be quite amusing to watch considering the two countries are hardly bestest buddies.
In the meantime, keep an eye on ISIS - the terrorist organization with the glossy annual report, which many say is merely a front for someone else, has managed to dig itself in within the Sunni communities in the north, and is the biggest wildcard. One wonders how long until the mercenary force finds its latest major backer, because for all the western, US-led intervention, both Russia and China are oddly missing from the scene. We expect that to change soon.
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No one wanted this guy it was the clueless US who imposed him, and we are now seeing the results, they also had four years to do something about and didn't
No, the ObowelMovement Government needs to be flushed
It's clear now that the US wants Maliki out, and he will be removed exactly like Assad was.
if he was a real strong leader he'd have troops in 130 countries and would bomb the s*** out of anyone who disagreed with him. so yeah what the f*** is wrong with this guy?
This is the USSA interpretation of democracy in all its glory. If a local leader is to the dislike of the power that be in Washington then he/she should be immediately removed. For Washington democracy is only a Trojan horse used as a tool to place their own slave local puppet government in foreign nations. If the local puppet rebels then kick him/her out.
yeah, but... same thing happened in the USSA a long time ago... so just layers of puppets... where is the hidden hand?
Perhaps the administration didn't get the memo, but the US pulled out of Iraq and left the Iraqis to their own devices... They have no incentive to obey the US and history shows that the US will fuck things up at every opportunity... Much like the US is now funding both sides of this fiasco... So Obama and company can just fuck off as they no longer have a say in Iraqi politics since abandoning the country...
the US will fuck things up at every opportunity
In exctly the same way they are handling the Ukraine situation.
A leader was democraticly elected. The USSA managed a coup to bring the Chocolate King to power and the Chocolate King immediately proceeded to bomb and strafe his own citizens following the model of Gadaffi but with the complete blessing of the USSA and NATO.
Now the USSA proposes something similar in Iraq.
Why not go to the root of the problem and turf the leaders of Saudi Arabia? At least in that case there is no conflict with the principles of democratically elected government.
Look, the US establishment are just trying to deflect blame for this onto Maliki.... it has nothing to do with Bush Senior giving Saddam the green light to invade Kuwait and then destroying most of his military when he did, then Clinton's continuation of sanctions that killed half a million Iraqi children, then Baby Bush's 2003 war, then Obama's assistance to Sunni Jihadis in Syria.
20 years ago, Iraq was a country providing material assistance to Palestinians... now it's a smouldering wreck.
Oded Yinon & AIPAC. What a combination.
I sometimes hope there is a God, because I can't see him dealing with the perpetrators of this shit kindly on Judgement Day.
What's even worse is that they are saying that Maliki is responsible for this "sectarian division", as if this were really a civil war pitting Sunni vs. Shiite/Christian/etc., when in fact ISIL is a bunch of mostly foreign mercenaries that invaded the country from Syria.
So when Feinstein says that "The Maliki government, candidly, has got to go if you want any reconciliation.", what she is saying is that the US wants a government that will 'reconcile' itself with these foreign (US) mercenary soldiers' 'wishes'...
OF COURSE no legit PM would ever do so, and the fact that Maliki is getting in the way of that 'reconciliation' with savage, murderous, raping, cannibal takfiri scum is pretty strong indication that the guy is doing what's right for his country!
Obama is nothing but a symbol who has no respect for law. Not a leader, maybe a Dictator or Tyrant, but not a leader.
I sure hope the USA Electorate "feels good" with their decision.
I often wonder if this country will survive his Presidency because you know the other side will try to one up him in all catagories that do not include respect for law and freedom.
We want to export Democracy everywhere. Well when you are in the Middle East, Democracy means that if you are in a country with a majority of Sunnis, you get a Sunni government and a majority of Shiites will elect a Shiite leader. The only "stable" governments in the region are those run by kings and dictators. We want the will of the people except when we don't. Same as here now that I think about it.
Export the Bath House and the Gang of 8 (balls)!
I sure hope the USA Electorate "feels good" with their decision.
Probably not - didn't Obama win simply because he wasn't Mitt Romney? Would Romney have been any better?
There don't seem to be many candidates who aren't utterly bought-and-paid-for these days :(
It's just as bad here in the UK. Democracy is fucked right now.
I figure Romney's foreign policy wouldn't have been "better", though perhaps he wouldn't have dismantled Libya. He would not have an administration so disdainful of the American people and the rule of law. I was no fan but he was no hater of the country either. Sometimes the lesser of two evils is, well, the lesser of two evils.
Big picture -- the macro trends are not going to be solved by "the man". The global financial mess will run its course no matter who our "commander" is. America's position in the world is changing as well. Still, I want these leftists out.
Saddam? Assad hasn't been removed.
Makiki may want to lookup 1963, Vietnam, CIA, Ngo Dinh Diem, coup.
"The DC US only has 'friends' they can use. All others are road kill."
The exact wording (according to Feinswine) is: "The Obama government, candidly, has got to go if you want any reconciliation."
Starting to read like a Brazilian soap opera.
I was thinking more like the Magic Roundabout.
In the annals of history has one country shown such incompetent ineptitude with foreign policy over such a short space in time?
No, which is why it is plain as day to see that business (Fascism), not principle, is guiding all foreign policy.
Hopefully you don't think that Bush hung the Mission Accomplished banner because it had something to do with a mission.
It was getting there that was the victory so Fascism Inc can milk it for decades. Now go vote for Jeb for Iraq vs. Big Business 3.
Not AND lived.
At least Brazillian soap operas come to and end after a while.
And what is going on now is nowhere near as sophisticated and erudite as a Brazilian soap opera.
/s
edit for redundancy edit
I guess this will teach US foreign puppets when the POTUS drops by unannounced for a couple hours in the middle of the night (as with the most recent visit), Maliki should have jumped out of bed, and cravenly rushed to the US military base for the photo-op.
But really, it wasn't just that Maliki did not kiss ass enough in general. As with Diem, Noriega, Saddam, Bin Laden, Mubarak, and a host of unsavory actors, he was deemed no longer useful to the empire.
After more than a decade of sowing sectarian conflict in Iraq, the US now wants "reconciliation" (i.e. the always planned eventual break-up of Iraq in order to better dominate the region and particularly its resources).
Bremer (a Kissinger protege) was put in charge of Iraqi reconstruction (actually de-construction). Against all well-meaning advice, he disbanded the Iraqi military and government despite the warnings about the chaos and strife that would ensue. (And the additional US and Iraqi casualties which would predictably result.)
Balkanizing the Mideast as planned by "Clean Break" & PNAC
Atomizing the Mideast
http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2014/06/17/iraq-will-the-neocons-get-...
US plotting
http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-destruction-and-political-fragmentation...
Managing Chaos
http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/06/17/is-open-ended-chaos-the-desired-u...
The recent "redirection" to give greater support the Sunnis, including Sunni jihadists, has confused those who continue (incredibly) to assume US policy is geared to prevent "terrorism". However, despite the apparent tactical shift, the overall objectives remain the same.
http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/06/18/the-isis-fiasco-its-really-an-att...
Yes, the retirement plan for US puppets is a bitch, isn't it.
Can we get rid of Diane Feinstein as well?
We need to keep a few court jesters, don't we?
That is what judges and bailiffs are for
And don't forget Harry Reid!
All BS. He was elected by Shiites and has always been Iran's puppet.
So a week ago people with normal cognitive functions were saying this was more than ISIS rolling through the country like a runaway train yet we were seeing a mix of sophmoric analysis saying either OMG ISIS is the new plague! or SUNNI SHIA SUNNI SHIA!
Each day that goes by, the truth becomes a little clearer, but is unreported seemingly even here. I mentioned this in that IDIOTIC post yesterday about how "ISIS won't stop in iraq and here is why" and a guy asked for a link so I'll reiterate here.
This will in it's present form stop in Iraq, because ISIS is a comparably small force who is barely big enough to fight 1 front, let alone several, and THIS ONE IS KEY, as much and likely more of the fighting is being done by a remnant force from the Saddam Hussein days, headed up by the one guy left from the Deck of Cards, Izzat Ibrahim Al-Duri.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/06/13/isis-s-secret-allies.html
http://www.businessinsider.my/saddam-husseins-old-party-is-behind-iraq-c...
"The Naqshbandis, located primarily in Mosul, were formed in 2007 by former members of Saddam Hussein’s Baath party. Izzat Ibrahim al-Douri, Saddam’s former deputy and the head of the Baath party following Saddam’s execution in 2007, is in charge of the group."
So this band of old school loyalists are aligned with ISIS, where if they were to win and depose Maliki, would immediately declare war on each other, and the naqshbandis would almost certainly win. MEanwhile Sunni and Shia alike are lining up to fight both factions. The fact that you have Sunnis lining up to support the maliki government obviates the notion that this isn't ideological solely. The fact that a significant portion of ISIS is foreign, it lays it bare as more than a civil conflict.
THe few articles I read mentioning Al Duri mention he was the king of spades in the deck of cards. NOt in mine he isn't. He's the king of clubs.
http://i.imgur.com/0bO5ESn.jpg
Go out a window?
No more government job for you! Who's next in the puppet line?
ISIL.
"Doing nothing is not an option." Another duly elected leader is on the take out list.
"Who lost Iraq?" Is on the table.
Regime Change
America needs regime change
It won't get it while you sit & bitch. At least those muslims are prepared to do something about it, even if it is violence.
Is there any possibility that Russia and China can get the UN to pressure the US for a regime change?
Well, thinking positive can't hurt!
Does this mean that we need to spend another 4,000 American lives and 3 trillion dollars to replant the seeds of democracy?
It's called record bonuses, and no one sees them coming. Democracy is the gimmick.
Indeed Pee Wee, democracy has become like a can openner for banksters when they need to bust open a country.
Yes, rinse and repeat until they just forget about their religious disagreements dating back to the year 634 AD.
Does this mean that we need to spend another 4,000 American lives and 3 trillion dollars to replant the seeds of democracy?
No.
It means we shortchanged the Iraqi's by only spending $25 billion dollars training their army. Clearly we should have spent $50 billion to get the required results. Somebody cut a cheque to Halliburton pronto.
HA. The Tribe got shit on their faces, AGAIN.
+100
Candidly watching Finesteen go the rout Cantor went would be a Huge step in the right direction for Amurica!
What has she done for California? That state is in a mess.
Maliki has been spending way too much time in Peking for pax Americana.
Anyone would think Iraq had been about to join the BRIICS or something.
How convenient that ISIS stopped it.
When puppets go rogue...
They have WMD! Attaaack!
Yats is in, Maliki is out- Victoria Nuland
No shit, and I thought elections mattered.
Elections only matter when they generate the correct results. Check with our supreme court decisions overturning our election results on a regular basis. Being a tyrant without completely showing yourself as such is hard work. Malevolence benevolently working for the betterment of mankind.
so we support the al-quida goverment now?
"We" ARE Al-Qaeda...
Scary to think this might be true.
Now.
Then.
What a friggin nightmare. The whole war.
Hey, who brought the talking horse?
Secretariat of State Kerry is putting his hoof down (again).
Lets make a switch with Obama?
I hear Mohamed Morsi is looking for a job...
hahaha Cousin Gary
Our hand picked puppet government is not working, we need a fresh pick.
We need another hand and a new prick.
There: Fixed it 4 ya...
Polish and Turkish governments in the process of being toppled as well...uh i meant the Tusk and Erdogan regimes.
>> Polish and Turkish
Almost looks like somebody doesn't like the way the game is going and decided to wipe the board clean of all the game pieces. Somebody that's used to always winning. Hmmm, I wonder who that could be?
Does it even make sense to stab my most stalwart and unquestioning allies in the back...while there are massive tensions with other powers ?
"wipe the board clean" is the only move left to that "somebody".
I believe this is all about a "board"! But I think it's all about Brzezinski's chessboard, and it may not be going "just" as planned, but I think many would agree plans on such a "grand" scale will most likely always be fluid! With contingencies galore.
Problem-reaction-solution
Is that his dyke spawn on CNBC?
"Hmmm, I wonder who that could
be?"
Same old game since the end of WW l!
Same puppet masters!
Bank of International Settlement.
The "state within a state".
Based in Basel Switzerland.
That fucking cunt feinstein is the one that needs to go.
Who would down vote THAT??
"Who would downvote that?"
Probably a chick;^)
Or Diane whilst enjoying blood libel coffee this morning!
Right, those liver-eaters will suddenly stop because Maliki is gone...
and wasn't Maliki elected?
won't calling for him to go just openly push Iraqi shiites who elected him further towards Iran and away from the west?
Iraq had a numerical majority of Shia in the South, as I recall. Electing Maliki represented majority rule. Of course they would harbor ill will towards Saddam's Sunni allies who "kept them down," so to speak.
No, Bath House has been so busy deconstructing the USA, golfing, and being incompetent, this one got away thru neglect.
Just to make it perfectly clear, Maliki "must go" because he is standing in the way of the ISIS gameplan.
If Maliki can create an alliance with Iran and Hezbullah and/or Assad, the CIA/SA/Mossad/Yinon gameplan disintegrates...
I have my fingers crossed.
Saw reports yesterday of Syrian AF bombing runs in Iraq, at the request of Iraqi gov.
Saw reports of IRG engaged on the outskirts of Bahgdad.
Permagesh are now with team Persia.
Iranian PM was just in Turkey, meeting with Edrogan. Wonder what they talked about?
So true. At this point he either joins that axis or he is out, and possibly dead. Tribe/U.S. foreign policy is so asinine that the combination of stupidity, arrogance, and ignorance takes your breath away. Iraq has always been about which group of three or four (Sunnis/Arabs, Kurds, or Shias/Arabs & Persians) you allow to lord over the other three; and even the British understood that one (and they selected the Arab Sunnis BTW). So what to we do? We pick the Iran backed group and then tell them to be nice to the ones who killed and shat on them for several generations, declare it a 'democracy' and are now 'surprised', surprised I say, that they won't get along and that Saudi Arabia and the tribe now have second thoughts because it seems to be strengthening Iran & Syria.
The USA, world's foremost puppeteer.
Kukla, Fran & Ollie, played by Kerry, Feinstein & Obama.
Hell, Obama even physically resembles a puppet in movements, mannerisms and speech. Tell me I'm wrong. Puppet walks onto stage, in front of official looking seal, before an assembly of the world's most eager puppet fans, who hang on every line of puppetganda. Suit hung on hollow, loosely jointed frame. Head tilts back. Pause. Read line. Head tilts left. Pause. Read line. Head tilts right. Pause......
We 'mericans, we love us a good puppet show.
The Truth is out: The Tyrant is the retarded brother of Mr Data.
What sort of "reconciliation" does one seek with people that cut off other peoples heads with butcher's knives?
Just askin'......
>> people that cut off other peoples heads with butcher's knives?
Yeah, much more civil to be blown to bits, along with all your family, friends and neighbors, from a bomb dropped from a plane you can't even see. Killing people doesn't have to be uncivilized.
While I agree the victim may not see a big difference in the end result, you have to admit that here is something much more frightening about people willing to saw your head off with their own hands than someone miles away pulling a trigger. Maybe its just me.
I just think I might have a better chance of reasoning with the trigger puller versus the knife wielder. After all, if we are to ever have piece, we either have to be able to reason with people or else kill them all. Otherwise this will continue on forever (which it may well do, but who would hope for it?).
I would rather face my executioner and look him in the eyes rather than be obliterated at distance by some techie who thinks war is a video game.
Roger Waters: The Bravery of Being Out of Range
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rekuWIKr55A
AlaricBalth I would rather face my executioner and look him in the eyes rather than be obliterated at distance by some techie who thinks war is a video game.
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And you wouldn't use advantages if you were in a fight for your life? If you say, yes, you are either full of shit or you are dead. And this goes way back, not just he present. Remember the catapult? Or how about the cannon?
If I am a techie at an Air Force base in New Mexico controlling a Predator drone in Pakistan, I am certainly not in a fight for my life.
However, on the battlefield, where loss of life is a very real possibility, I definitely want artillery shells flying over my head from the rear at the enemy.
Saw this on a ZH post - switchblade drone. Very creepy. You can run but you can't hide.
Imo, drones and death from above in general takes a lot of fuel/ energy to build and maintain. US shale oil projected to peak in 2021.
The problem with the scenario that you present is that the fat-assed lesbian or pigeon-chested, wormy lieutenant or sargeant pulling the trigger isn't in a fight for his or her life. They are in a high-tech lazyboy in Florida, Missouri, Virgina, (or wherever) with a CIA controller telling them to pull the trigger.... and they just do it. Afterwards they stop and pick up some chinese food on the way home. I think they actually change into their civvies before doing so. God forbid that anyone should actually find out what they do for a living. The murderers might find themselves in a very unfriendly place (amongst their neighbors).
They wear flight suits at work yet remove the evidence of their dastardly deeds by slipping into a polo shirt and some shorts when leaving their hellish chamber of death. FLIGHT SUITS! News flash for these fuckers....it doesn't work. You can shower for a year and the stink will stay with you. These monsters have as much in common with the average American as Obama does. NOTHING.
Drones will be used in the USA, certainly, in the exact same fashion. Bases in PR, Canada, Mexico (and AFBs in the US) will launch the murder machines. The same spineless trigger happy "airmen" just doing their duty will be the murderers.
I'm on my last legs so I won't be around to see it, but damn, I wish I could be there to see these fuckers pay for it. They will.
I'm gonna have to go with the head-sawer definitely shows a dedication to his task that's gonna be pretty tough to beat.
He's got that good old 'salt of the earth' type work ethic.
The whole "head cutting off" schtick is real and gruesome enough, but it is pure theatre meant to make the ISIS seem more ferocious looking than it really is, with the intent of getting the opposition to lay down their arms without a fight (a stupid move).
Mililtarily speaking, I think the Hezbullah and Iranian forces are probably more than a match for them...
It has to be real. I watched it on tv. It just has to be real.
$4 trillion spent on the Iraq war (compared to $838 billion in the Vietnam war in constant dollars), many estimate more than 1 million Iraqis killed and now US is asking Iran for help in Iraq:
With the eruption of civil war in Iraq, the foreign policy of the United States has suffered a shipwreck of massive dimensions, with far-reaching political implications.
On Monday, as Islamist forces increased their control over significant parts of Iraq, US Secretary of State John Kerry turned to Iran for assistance. Washington is “open to discussions” with Tehran, he said, adding that he would “not rule out anything that would be constructive.”
The appeal came as the Obama administration announced a partial evacuation of the US embassy in Baghdad, the largest and most expensive embassy in the world, constructed following the 2003 invasion.
The turn to Iran testifies to the extent of the debacle in Iraq. Just this past February, Kerry was denouncing Iran for continuing to support Syrian President Bashar Al Assad as the US financed an insurgency led by the same Islamic fundamentalist forces currently threatening the Iraqi regime of Nouri al-Maliki. Now Kerry is seeking Iran’s assistance in staving off a disaster in a country the US invaded more than eleven years ago.
http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2014/06/18/pers-j18.html
Looks like a variation of the Ukraine play to me.
Get Iran embroiled in Iraq to solidify the other Arab staes behind US hegemony.
Getting rid of Maliki is the process, who was leaving the reservation anyway, also splitting
the newly forming eurasian self defence bloc.
I don't think the Persians will fall for it, they are good chess players.
How much of this money was spent for actual war versus bribing tribemen and reconstruction? Not arguing about the waste of it all but I don't think we built much of anything in Nam.
re Iraqi Govt. Has Got To Go
Ditto USSA "Govt"
Give it just a little bit of time, and it will go.
The CIA are furiously trying to create a super pupet leader by stitching together parts of the Shah of Iran, Idi Amin and Dick Cheney's hart!! Can they do it in time?.... Tune in next week For the suprise ending!
Lets pretend arming ISIS so we could lose Iraq to Islamic fundamentalists was the plan all along.
Obamzee Whamzee decrees to IRAQ with the royal pen “…We use da Chicago method here. You give me what I want and den I listen…”
Oh, Tyler. You, and countless other retards that visit ZH miss the obvious time and time again.
Iraq was absolutely designed to fail, there was never any question that USA "occupation" was anything more than a timed release of failure - a shelf life.
No one (except everyone that has been there past and present) could have known, right? Total bullshit.
Iraq is just business. Good, bad or indifferent, the war racket got paid and that is the foreign policy. War = stimulus = monetized "democracy in a box," nothing more.
Quit acting like Iraqis or soldiers or anyone else matter when greed is, was, and will only be the point for wandering the desert, or as Fascists in DC like to imply, dessert.
When do Americans pull their collective heads from their asses and realize killing US soldiers is in the name of DC Fascism (since Johnson). C'mon you "patriotic" suckers - it's your kids monetized and liquidated!
"Iraq was absolutely designed to fail"...I agree": http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-destruction-and-political-fragmentation-of-iraq-towards-the-creation-of-a-us-sponsored-islamist-caliphate/5386998 , and: http://www.trackingterrorism.org/article/was-isiss-plunder-mosul-insider-job , and: http://www.globalresearch.ca/plans-for-redrawing-the-middle-east-the-project-for-a-new-middle-east/3882
To think ZH is not controlled opposition or that government trolls regularly post for the purpose of forming opinion would be a tad naive. While there is considerable freedom to post views and use whatever language and metaphors we choose, there is a regular assignment of propaganda and vitriole.
Still, there is much wisdom and informative citations to be found on these pages. The fact the Elites allow this site to exist, speaks volumes to their arrogance and sense of control.
The Committee of 300, their adjuncts and the movement toward global slavery will continue to move ever forward. lubricated by the bodies of humans the world over. Cowering in fear, they just make it easier to roll over them. The Host is only useful as long as it provides steady nourishment to the parasite.
Consequently, if said host were to ever realize that the parasites were lying about everything- including their declarations of control, the parasites might be starved into submission. Withdrawl, decentralization, ringfencing and vigilance through understanding will win the day, if it is ever to be won.
A healthy host can repel an invader, a healthy herd can protect its' members. Health is imbued by liberty, intelligence and the wisdom of its' elders. We are the power and that power derives from consent. Remove the consent, remove the methods used to obtain it and the structure falls. Just be careful to make sure it crumbles on its' architects and builders.
Great plan.
How's it working so far?
Pretty good. In the 4+ years I have been here, I have seen a demonstrable change in attitudes and awareness of tyranny in all of its' manifestations. People have a better understanding of economics, politics and propaganda.
Education is the first part of the process. This gives people the courage of conviction, which becomes the motivation for action.
it does seem like zh runs an awful lot of cookies or somesuch. whether this is just 'excessive' flash advertising, or some kind of data-gathering/monitoring is anyone's guess. but this site is terribly slow, and gets extremely bogged down.
Sorry, but can someone explain to me why the US has any fucking right to tell any other country who should be leading their government?
What amazing arrogance, no wonder everyone hates the US. We would be so much better off if we just minded our own business.
Yes, oil, I know....
Because we bought and paid for the fuckers...just like we did with GM.
BINGO! It's about money, not cause.
Money, power, whatever. All the same. Ultimately it is about control.
It might have been cheaper if we skipped the wars and just bought the place.
At least we'd have some oil for our money.
Notamathwhiz -
"Hates the US" might be correct, but please be more specific than "...minded our own business." IMO it is only our .gov that deserves the hate - I do not consent to this government and so do not consider myself a party to anything it does, at all. I do wish the US gov would mind it's own business (or, more accurately, barely exist at all).
A distinction with a difference.
meanwhile in yemen...
DC Rules.
Ukraine's elected .gov DC rules throw it out.
Iraq's elected .gov, DC rules it has to go.
Thailand's CFR approved, vote buying kleptocracy gets coup'd and DC don't lke it.
So Nouri Al-Maliki has now joined the long list of US puppets who the US has grown tired off- a list ranging from Ngo Dinh Diem to Manuel Noriega
let no man or beast get in the way of the FRN\Rothschilds and once they do, they're out, you know the drill Oldrepublic.
doesn't seem to be working anylonger though with the failure in Syria and Ukraine to fire up some war mongering profits and keep the FRN alive, albeit on serious life support.
Yep, now 0bamao, Kerry etc. can wipe their hands of the whole thing.
My prediction is that ISIS becomes the new "political" party and stringent, ruthless Sharia law becomes the new gov't.
obama MUST go
how about the entire government, and congress
obama is just the tip of the shitberg
in europe we like to think that americans are proud people, guess we are wrong
you are governed by a rogue government
what are you gonna do about it
Barry is just trying to make more trouble.
So blame and swap out the Iraq leader and put another one in - for this month.
And if the next one fails, blame the dog that ate the homework and do it again.
Barry is going to make this planet a lot worse before he leaves in 2016.
Personally, I am (kind of) loving this shit show. Since the Great Deception™, which began in '08, I've lived pretty well, though the conditions which have promoted my prosperity aren't exactly premises upon which anyone would likely build anything.
The edifices of government, the press and corporations in America are coming down, so I decided to make the most of it, started hoarding silver, then cash, now food, water, though no guns yet (that's likely next, even though I'm generally a peace-loving individual). I've learned how to feed myself and others through agriculture and this summer will learn canning.
Also this summer, I am setting up my own solar power supply, mostly to learn, and am hoping to team with an engineer friend to work on some small hydro projects.
Like I said, complete collapse of institutions is not exactly what one would choose to build upon, but, if this is really the beginning of the end - which I believe it is - one must take the initiative.
This past Tuesday (June 17), we here in Irondequoit, NY defeated - for the second time - the proposed school budget. Our voices were heard, though maybe not so loud and clear. We're paying upwards of $18K ($65 million for 3500 "students") per student in taxes. My school taxes are nearly triple my regular property taxes and I don't have any kids in the schools and never have.
The reason I got a little off track here is that when Fine-stain says Maliki should go, it's really she who should be removed. The same for Obomber and the rest of the thieves in DC, but everyone needs to look closer, look at your local government and school districts and discover who is stealing from you. The superintendent in my district gets $240,000 a year, plus health care, a car and other perks. Give me a fucking break!
It needs to be noted and spoken loudly all across America, "We can't afford you any more," to all these politicians and school functionaries. Paraphrasing Fine-stain, "The puppet politicians in America, candidly, have got to go."
And they should be urged to go willingly, because the alternatives are not very attractive.
Join local opposition groups, or form them and start bitching louder. Government entities in the US have never been weaker. It is time for the citizens of this country to rise up and take back what's been stolen.
Sitting here complaining on ZH is all well and good, but, by God, DO SOMETHING. We have the power.
Very well said! Thanks for sharing your story.
Did you not think of the teachers first?!
We can and should push back against this assault, but do not think they will go quietly into the night simply because their tyranny of democracy has failed them. This is just the beginning of a much bigger fight on our hands if we really want to reclaim our country, our lives and the future of our children.
Good for you. In general terms I wonder how old you are though I wouldn't blame you for not sharing.
Paraphrasing our future ex-president, Mrs. Clinton, "What difference, at this point, does it make?"
Just kidding. I'm 60 and damn proud of it, especially when I a) ride my bike, b) kick the living shit out of people half my age at tennis, or c) drink college kids under the table with ease.
I am more than a little pissed off at how my generation (Baby Boomers) have allowed this country to sink into a shithole. I've been creaming for 35 years, but nobody wanted to listen. Maybe when I'm contacting them through tin cans and string, they'll get the message.
Fukushima is an ELE. The grid WILL go down, not all at once, but in selected areas, at various times. Be prepared.
Much respect. I would think the older you get the harder it would be to make that kind of move, which is what peaked my curiosity. I'm also impressed that you have been "creaming for 35 years" talk about multiple O's. Yeah I know it's a silly typo but still looks funny.
And there you go if you don't think the ISIS wasn't backed by the US. If you think otherwise I can name 400 million reasons to the contrary (follow the weapons expenditures over the next few months). With friends like them who needs enemies.
Where is Ahmed Chalabi? I remember Newt Gingrich back in the day imploring us to think of him as "the George Washington of Iraq". Really Newt? That bill of goods was sold to the american people and how did that work out? He was nothing more than an inside the beltway anti Sadam lobbyist that spread some money, probably gotten from the taxpayer and funneling it back to key congressional members to get the US to do his bidding for him. I don't believe George Washington did that. I don't remember seeing Chalabi taking up arms or fighting. No he was wearing $5k suits schmoozing the beltway every night.
The fact is we know little if nothing about any of these people, their true motives and our politicians seem to want to ascribe them the same wants, beliefs, ideas as we have. We only know what they want us to think we know. Our politicians are so far out of their depth on the middle east and for some 40 years we have pissed away more human, political and monetary capital for what is going on today. Really? Move out, let them all fight over the middle east and just deal with the winner in whatever manner is appropriate based on who it is and what makes common sense and good for all concerned. Otherwise my damned great grandkids will still be hearing their president talk about "peace in the middle east" and summits and wars and bullshit that is no more different than what we've heard in my lifetime.
Has anyone that entered the region left it better off than what it was before they got there? Hell no. But they have managed to leave both sides much poorer and generally in shambles. It's like the worlds puppet masters use the middle east quagmire as a way to end empires, not enhance them. Coincidence? Blood and money all pissed away for no reason but political bullshit and avarice. All the time and money and blood spent over there while america crumbles at home. Just yesterday 2 senators propose an 18 cent per gallon tax hike on gas for failing infrastructure. Gee, we should look like a shiny bright diamond with all the money we've pissed away just in the last 8 years, never mind the previous 40. Not to mention that the $880 Billion scam of American Recovery Act was supposed to be for shovel ready jobs (INFRASTRUCTURE) and all I've seen are a bunch of damned road signs talking about the act. So a sign builder got rich, probably a relative of a Senator, and here we are with crumbling cities that might of well been through a war.
This has got to stop and the same ole politics of the past has to be shown the door. Anyone blindly lining up behind any politician or political party needs to have their head examined because if the last two presidents representing both parties hasn't opened your eyes then you're nothing more than a blind man walking around without a cain.
I can't wait for these brain tumors to kick in because this just makes my head want to fucking explode. ENOUGH ALREADY!
What is it that you fail to understand about "trust"? They are smarter and better educated than most of us, so we are supposed to trust them. Its kind of like the hope thing, and faith. I still like the "trust but verify" theme the best, but of course that would require a government of unprecedented transparency and accountability, similar to what our most recent dictator sold himself with. It ain't going to happen
Someone explain to me why Obama always sides with the extremists? Egypt, Libya, Syria and now Iraq. I don't think I've ever heard Obama call for a extremist to resign from the head of anything.
Toss a photo of the Bath House into a pile of Extremist photos and your answer will appear.
Evertime we support "Democracy" we don't like the results so we have to abandon it for a crony dictator or promote sectarian civil war among tribes. But I'm not ready to give up. Let's see if we can make it work with Saudi Arabia, Qatar, UAE -and let's start with Bahrain.
If we really had balls we'd start with Putin. Gotta go all in.
More failed US policy and meddling in foreign affairs.
us govmt are bunch of hypocrites.
sunni in Iraq are very well represented by ministers, ambassadors, etc.
their % in Iraq is not more than the % of the Shiite in Saudi(east where oil is). Shiite in Saudi are not being represented at all not even by an ambassador let a lone ministers. but that is ok with the US!!!
That's an easy one.
You overlook flaws in your friends that you wouldn't in someone you don't like.
Especially if they keep your confetti dollars afloat.
:)
true.
but, hope that you AMerican know these facts.
And then there is of course, Saudi Arabia:
Yeah Iraq was minding it's own business regarding Syria and these guys just rolled in because of a few pissed off Baathists. Bullshit.
I can think of 400 million reasons otherwise.
It is called 10 weapons will get you 100 if you hit the right target.
They were allowed to roll into Iraq by the US to loot a central bank which in turn they will purchase a shitload of weaponry and training (you think that the training is free?, someone has to pay for the time and labor and it ain't taxpayers or else there would be a paper trail somewhere) with to take on a standing army then if they stay on script and don't decide to roll south into Jordan will be allowed to use their newly taken over country to go after Iran next.
This is the Muslim Brotherhood strategy in Egypt of trying to take control of a standing army to wage jihad instead of building one except they are targeting a weaker country through terror and jihad instead of rigging elections and trying to take it over from within like they've pretty much done to the US at this point.
Alas, puppets aren't like they used to be.
But the Saudi 's puppet government, located in Washington DC, is still doing their master's bidding...
Go where? As usual, US foreign policy is vague and misguided.....
i dunno, it seems to be guided very well by KSA/Israel. at first we were going to support the Maliki gov't until they (Maliki gov't) let the cat out of the bag that ISIS is a Saudi/Mossad creation designed to foster ethinic war against the Shia in Iraq and Iran. you really didn't think that we would have been on the side of Iran and actually support the Maliki gov't, did you?
And another one strikes the bus.
We are at war with Eastasia. We've always been at war with Eastasia......
Disgraceful
Just another Heglian Dialetic in (ISIS) action to clean up after previous one (BUSH/IRAQ war/current government) they lost control of.
They use the same tactic over and over and over and over and over
How do you "reconcile" when the battle it to the death?
And then your liver eaten by your killers.
Will somebody please tell Kerry and State that it's much easier to install your own guy BEFORE the elections by rigging the votes.
Doing it after the elections just makes it look like you're not all that smart.
Naturally the "Eye of Sauron", NSA, was foiled by ISIS because they now communicate using Camel-grams.
is it odd to anyone else, that while rabid islamists are a mere 50 miles from Bahgdad, the only country that could turn the tide is throwing their own self installed puppet under the bus? I mean, ISIS is surging toward the capital and we illigetamize the current government that we're relying on to contain the situation. You're setting the government and bahgdad up to fail, obviously like they've been doing from day one.