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Russia Reignites The Proxy War: Putin Offers "Complete Support" To Iraq Prime Minister Scorned By Obama

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Two days ago, before it was formalized that the US tacitly, if not explicitly, now supports the removal of the Iraqi Prime Minister whom it itself had helped elect, we summarized the geopolitical tensions and "national interests" in Iraq, which is shaping up to be a proxy war that makes last year's Syrian escapade pale by comparison, as follows:

The situation in Iraq, already a jumble of domestic sectarian violence, is now pitting virtually all major (and regional) international players against each other as well. There is:

  • US which tacitly supports Iran intervention in the region, but may have suddenly cooled in its support of Maliki despite sending naval and troop forces in the country after partially evacuating its embassy
  • Saudi Arabia which wants to remain friendly with the US but is antagonistic to the Iraq regime, is potentially aiding the ISIS forces, and clearly refuses to allow Iran entrance in Iraq
  • Iran, which has suddenly become America's best friend in the region, which is willing to enter Iraq and protect its holy sites
  • Syria, whose president is sitting back amused at last year's failed campaign by the US to remove him from power, and whose army is at a stalemate with the local US-armed and funded rebels
  • Qatar, which is supporting the Syrian rebels, but so far has not made its stance clear on Iraq. Like Saudi, it too may be indirectly backing ISIS
  • Jordan, which is a close friend the US, and which may have hosted ISIS in a secret base on its territory with the US instructing the jihadist group according to an unconfirmed report
  • Turkey, which is on constant alert to Kurdish escalation across the border, the same Kurds which now have far more leverage courtesy of ISIS crushing the Iraq army in the north and handing over Kurds access to oil fields in the north.
  • And of course Russia: because while Putin clearly benefits from rising crude prices, it is his Lukoil that is developing (and investing vast amounts of money in) the vast Iraqi West Qurna-2 oil field. It is not clear how he would feel about it falling into ISIS hands.

It was the bolded text that was of biggest interest because as we noted the next day, when discussing the next steps for ISIS, we said that "One wonders how long until the mercenary force finds its latest major backer, because for all the western, US-led intervention, both Russia and China are oddly missing from the scene. We expect that to change soon."

Because clearly one can't have a global proxy war without China, and certainly without Russia.

Well, we said we expected Russia's conspicuous absence to "change soon", and so it did: within just 24 hours. Because apparently all Putin was waiting for was for Obama to pick sides (i.e., not Maliki) before the Russian leader made it clear whom he sides with. US, helpfully obliged yesterday morning when we also reported that "US Slams Its Former Iraq Puppet: "The Maliki Government, Candidly, Has Got To Go"."

So what does Putin - who as a reminder is heavily invested in Iraq' massive West Qurna-2 oil field via Lukoil - do? Why announce his undying support for Maliki, of course, and as AP reported, the former KGB spy offered Iraqi premier Nuri al-Maliki Russia's total backing for the fight against fighters who have swept across the country, as well as his full support for the embattled prime minister.

More:

Russian President Vladimir Putin has spoken by phone to Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, expressing Moscow’s support for his action against the militant offensive.

 

The Kremlin said in a statement that al-Maliki informed Putin on Friday about his government’s steps to combat the “terrorist groups in the north of the country.” It added that the insurgency threatens security of the entire region.

 

Putin confirmed Russia’s “full support for the Iraqi government’s action to quickly free the territory of the republic from terrorists,” the Kremlin said, adding that Putin and al-Maliki also discussed bilateral cooperation.

 

Putin’s expression of support for the embattled Iraqi prime minister comes as al-Maliki’s rivals have mounted a campaign to force him out of office, with some angling for support from Western backers and regional heavyweights.

And just like in Syria from 2012 to 2013, the chessboard is once again set, with a regional middle-east conflict, this time in Iraq, merely serving as the proxy staging ground in which the Iraqi PM, once an obedient US puppet but now an enemy of Saudi Arabia and thus the US, "simply has to go" in the words of Dianne Feinstein, has suddenly become the fulcrum issue behind yet another soon to escalate conflict between Russia and the US.

One thing is certain: the more the US (and Saudi Arabia, and Qatar) pushes for Maliki's ouster, the more involved Russia will become with its offers of support and bilateral cooperation. And if the Syrian fiasco (for John Kerry) is any indication, Russia is about to expand its "national interest" sphere of influence by one more country.

 

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Fri, 06/20/2014 - 13:51 | 4878554 lakecity55
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"Checkmate."

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 13:54 | 4878564 NotApplicable
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"Good Cop, Bad Cop" FTMFW!

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 13:58 | 4878588 StacksOnStacks
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I don't see how this is good for Putin and Russia?  Becoming friends with a slap-dick?  I understand that slap to the face that Putin is delivering to the U.S. but this just seems more of something Obama would do.

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 14:03 | 4878605 Newsboy
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You prefer Putin or Obama in your corner?

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 14:07 | 4878624 Flakmeister
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I'd take the US in a heartbeat...

When Russia is actually capable of projecting power outside of the former USSR then I will take notice...

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 14:09 | 4878651 COSMOS
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Syria not good enough for you.  How about the Arctic.  How about Europe, why are USA fighter jets flying all over the skies of the Europoops. How bout those Russian bombers fifty miles from USA coastline.  Keep your flakjacket on and dont get too comfortable lol.

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 14:11 | 4878657 Flakmeister
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Clearly you have a very poor understanding of "project power"...

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 14:25 | 4878720 Jack Napier
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Military might is last century's power horse. This time it's all about resources and economics. Putin can crush the US without getting off his futon, since we've put ourselves in such a precarious position. Of course he won't do so, because he is simply an actor just like the rest. The transition of power from West to East needs to happen incrementally so people can get used to the idea. Heaven forbid anyone gets jolted out of their complacency.

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 14:33 | 4878748 ZerOhead
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"A study by the Council on Foreign Relations and the James A. Baker III Institute at Rice University claimed that Iraq has 220 bbl of undiscovered oil; and another study by the Center for Global Energy Studies and Petrolog & Associates offered an even more optimistic estimate of 300 bbl—a number that would give Iraq reserves greater even than those of Saudi Arabia. In a Guardian interview before the war, Taha Hmud Moussa, Saddam's deputy oil minister, said that all of Iraq's oil reserves "will exceed 300bbl when all Iraq's regions are explored

If true, this would mean that Iraq has roughly a quarter of all of the world's oil."

 

And that ladies and gentlemen, at the end of the day, is what everything that now follows is all about.

 


Fri, 06/20/2014 - 14:35 | 4878761 McMolotov
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No way! It's about freedumb and stuff.

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 14:48 | 4878827 SimplePrinciple
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It's also about gas pipelines to Europe through Syria.  Do NOT forget the pipelines.

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 14:55 | 4878863 Old Earth Chaos
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Anyone else see this turning into a Cold War II repeat of Cold War I's Afghanistan?

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 15:30 | 4878978 Gaius Frakkin' ...
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The Cold War was about two large powers jockeying for power. This is a cluster-fuck brought on by the decline of the USSA and the power vacuum it creates. Cluster-fucks end in World Wars I think.

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 15:42 | 4879029 zerozulu
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America needs to change her mindset. Now, there are two other super powers in town.

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 16:10 | 4879118 Buckaroo Banzai
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"I will fundamentally transform America"

Sounds like a mindset change to me. How is that working out?

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 16:51 | 4879214 svayambhu108
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Saudi killed Russia once with 10$ a barrel tried twice with Ukraine...

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 17:47 | 4879309 BOPOH
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Me think it is time for US army forces to pick a side: are their with the people or with Wshington DC?

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 17:55 | 4879329 Not Too Important
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Obama flushed the ranks of anyone that made the 'wrong' choice. What every dictator in history has ever done.

There is no help coming from the military.

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 19:02 | 4879435 hobopants
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The problem is people are still thinking in nationalistic terms.

This isn't team sports. Team USA, Team Russia, Team China... fucking irrelevant. You have a failing nuclear super power and two rising nuclear powers, that is all you need to know. This ends very badly for everyone.

Oh, and the Global elite are not holding hands and ushering in collapse in order to rule, they aren't the kind of people who share power.

These are different factions of one percenters who are fighting for power against each other and using nations as chess pieces.

These are the kind of people who would rather see the world burn than lose. World War Three is coming to town.

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 19:09 | 4879450 Not Too Important
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WWIII is what's for dinner.

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 22:34 | 4879841 Andy Lewis
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Too bad if we lose.

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 22:39 | 4879851 Not Too Important
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Everyone loses. That's why it's such a bad game.

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 00:07 | 4879963 Manthong
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http://rt.com/news/167392-russia-checkpoint-fire-ukraine/

 

Y’know when you are stopped near the checkpoint and stuff starts blowing up all around you?

I hate when that happens .

F.U. Noodleman.

 

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 00:59 | 4880036 Real Estate Geek
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Shit's gettin' real. 

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 05:27 | 4880174 Manthong
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I am starting to get pissed.

You do not want to see me pissed.

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 00:58 | 4880035 Hallow To Our Men
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"what game shall we play today ?"

 

Look around you my people
If you look then you will see
How to love
Life is paradise
All together
What game shall we play today ?

Man just wants to be happy
Cast off things that shouldn't be
Set him free
Life is paradise
All together
What game shall we play today ?

There's a way you can find it
It's within you, can't you see
Find the truth - it's not impossible
All together
What game shall we play today ?

Here we are all together
Free to have and do and be
What we see - for the first time
All together
What game shall we play today ?"

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3tIRPzsuNQ

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 01:18 | 4880039 Hallow To Our Men
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"have you got enough time ?"

 

"What's gonna happen when the sky goes black?
What will you do when the sea comes back?
What if there's no way you're moving back?
What when your face falls apart?

Have you got enough time?
Have you got enough time?
Have you got enough time?

You're drifting out like a child who's lost
Who's looking for a better way
You're moving like a coin in the air
What when your face falls apart?

Have you got enough time?
Have you got enough time?
Have you got enough time?

You're maybe looking for a sign of life
You hope it's gonna save your life
What will you do to restore your sight?
What when your face falls apart?

Have you got enough time?
Have you got enough time?
Have you got enough time?

Morse Code :

... --- ... .-.-.- /  - .... .. ... /  .. ... /  .--. .-.. .- -. . - /  . .- .-. - .... .-.-.- /  .-- . /  .- .-. . /  ..-. ..- -.-. -.- . -.. .-.-.- /  .--. .-.. . .- ... . /  .- -.. ...- .. ... . .-.-.-

('SOS. This is planet Earth. We are fucked. Please advise'.)

Have you got enough time?
Have you got enough time?

(repeat x times)"

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 18:52 | 4879422 MeBizarro
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Not really.  European had a bunch of national wars between vested parties between 1815 (Congress of Vienna) and the start of WWI in 1914 but no large-continental wide conflicts except the Crimean War.  

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 14:56 | 4878865 McMolotov
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Better hope to Allah there aren't any desert tortoises in the path of those pipelines. That could ruin the whole plan.

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 15:05 | 4878894 Not Too Important
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Or the endangered camel spotted owl.

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 00:08 | 4879974 Manthong
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..save our camel-toed owls.

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 02:47 | 4880116 tonyw
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meanwhile back in ukraine the army continues to shell towns

footage of ATO artillery at work on Slavyansk. Filming of this is banned by the Ukrainian Military. No journalists are allowed on site. Occurred 20th June.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=64c_1403308238

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 07:08 | 4880197 thecoloredsky
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Actually this one was posted June 17th. Same video.

https://vk.com/video137163965_169303289

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 15:06 | 4878898 pods
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If people eat EACH OTHER over there I am pretty sure the camels have eaten the fuck outta the turtles.

:)

pods

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 15:11 | 4878908 BurningFuld
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This is too funny. Putin must be a Republican....or he is getting paid by them.

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 00:11 | 4879978 Manthong
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I think Vlad’s auntie was related to Reagan.

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 15:23 | 4878953 john39
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another piece of the puzzle just falls into place.  israel takes first shipment of crude from Iraqi Kurdistan:

http://www.jpost.com/Diplomacy-and-Politics/Israel-set-to-receive-oil-fr...

now, remind me... who was again that probably benefits from a fragmented Iraq?

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 15:35 | 4879004 ZerOhead
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HOLY FUCK!!

 

That ship was stranded and going nowhere. Even Glencore wouldn't touch it because of all the sanctions in play. Of course the Israelis have trained the Kurd defence forces and probably gave them advanced intelligence about ISIS to allow them to quickly take Kirkuk.

As the readers may know the Kurds tried to pull a fast one on the Iraqi government by attempting to sell their crude directly rather than through the Iraq oil ministry.

Also remember that 2 days after that attempt failed the ISIS attack on Iraq started.

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 15:38 | 4879015 john39
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its all coming out in the open now.  strap in, could get rough.

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 15:45 | 4879034 ZerOhead
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You can lead the sheeple to water but you can't make them think...

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 16:22 | 4879149 sushi
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ISIS occupation of Northern Iraq also gives Israel a clear undefended flight path to targets in Iran.

Given that it was the Sunni officers that ran away and resulted in the fall of Mosul and that the intent is now to reward those same Sunni's with increased control of Iraq this is beginning to sound as simple as the fall of the towers on 9/11. Probably same folks running both shows.

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 17:23 | 4879263 john39
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more on this, Rothschild just invested in Kurdish oil fields:

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB1000142405311190328570457656051282...

what can you say about the Rothschilds, they are what they are. why humanity tolerates this can be a mystery.

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 18:02 | 4879336 Not Too Important
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'Hayward and Rothschild complete $2 billion Iraqi Kurdistan deal, shares fall'

http://www.ekurd.net/mismas/articles/misc2011/11/invest770.htm

Champagne and Crude in Kurdistan Iraq

http://blogger.baghdadinvest.com/2012/02/champagne-and-crude-in-kurdista...

 

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 18:20 | 4879366 Paveway IV
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U.S. oil companies knew about the 'undiscovered' oil in northern Iraq since before the invasion. They seemed to do unusually poorly in all the bidding for south Iraqi leases after the war. How is that possible? Exxon Mobil is actually bailing out of South Iraq's giant Quarna field in favor of North Ira... ur, Kurdistan, where they get much better (profitable) deals. They did this on the sly over the last decade by setting up little oil explorers in the North so as not to attract attention. Now they're buying them up as fast as possible. Total and BP have been dog-piling in as well. Hell, even the state-owned Turkish Energy Company has been making deals.

Russia and China will be happy to take the leftovers in the south, but they won't be happy about being left out of the raping of Iraq scheme. In the mean time, Israel will soon be awash in cheap oil and gas.

Guess the conspiracy nutters were right all along! 

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 22:20 | 4879815 Raging Debate
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John39 - Consider this. Henry Ford one of the most revered industrialist and bright man on earth told the American people if they ever knew how the banking system works there would be a revolution tomorrow. But did they listen? NO!!!

People will wise up eventually, create a better model but not before a lot of pain. Learning via pain is (unfortunately) the biggest catalyst of evolution. It is as simple as that. But ask yourself where are the Pharoah's today? Absolute brilliant civilization but they succumbed to the same fallacies as this group will. It is inevitable even attempting to game it out with supercomputers a few moves in advance. None can escape the process of evolution, fighting it only delays it, Soros had that right in Reflexivity theory. The good news is we are evolving.

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 08:17 | 4880261 A82EBA
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even today 90% of US doesn't understand our monetary system and will never be convinced hyperinflation (which is the only thing they'll see) was caused by the banking industry.

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 15:47 | 4879038 Not Too Important
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"Syria's most extremist group, the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL), have kidnapped nearly 200 Kurdish civilians from the Aleppo area, a monitor said on Friday."

http://www.yourmiddleeast.com/news/jihadists-kidnap-nearly-200-kurds-in-...

"According to a report posted on the Al-Alam News Network, the al-Nusra Front has massacred 120 children and 330 men and women in the town of Tal Abyad located in a district of northern Syria that is part of the Al-Raqqa governorate."

http://www.infowars.com/al-nusra-mercenaries-in-syria-slaughter-kurdish-...

The Kurds have a lot to be pissed about.

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 15:55 | 4879069 john39
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so why sell oil to one of the countries sponsoring the Syrian terror campaign, er, civil war?  Israel not involved?:

http://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-allows-first-peek-into-secret-field-hos...

anyone really going to claim that Israel is treating "rebels" out of kindness?  that would be real knee slapper.

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 17:01 | 4879188 Not Too Important
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"The friend of my enemy is my friend, not enemy, if he pays in cash or weapons."

Something like that, it's in the Old Testament somewhere.

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 16:03 | 4879096 Kirk2NCC1701
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The US and most of its Presidents (except JFK and Carter) have been Israel's "Shabbos Goy" since Truman.

In recent years -- under W and O -- entire Government Departments and Agencies have become an extension of Israel's Government and Likud party.  As have the Fed and its Prime Dealers.  Mazel tov.

p.s. If you include Tricky Dickie (N), you get N+W+O --> NWO.

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 18:05 | 4879344 Not Too Important
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Oops.

Iraq Output Hikes Could Halve Reserves in 20 Years - Official

"Proposed increases to Iraq's oil production capacity could lead to the depletion of 50% of its proven reserves in the next 20 years, a former oil minister said Monday."

"If oil fields are developed according to our plans, 70 billion barrels is estimated to be depleted over the next 20 years--up to 50% of Iraq's proven reserves."

http://www.rigzone.com/news/article.asp?a_id=101650

 

Anyone using energy is so screwed. Oh, wait . . .

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 17:13 | 4879249 tony wilson
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what stuff

i udderstand freedom

but keep that stuff outta it.

that stuff is mine i am jewish and it said so in the jewish satanic bible.

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 14:46 | 4878818 Flakmeister
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If you believe that estimate for Iraqi OOIP, I have a bridge for sale...

That being said, Cheney et al, desperately wanted it to be true...

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 15:12 | 4878848 ZerOhead
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Not if they are on the brink of losing Iraq to Iran, Russia or China...

(Which is another reason that despite all the bluster we will not bomb our ISIS allies...)

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 16:40 | 4879196 Not Too Important
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Tell people about the world running out of oil, and they just laugh at you.

Tell people about the end of cheap energy, and what that really means, and you'll scare the shit out of them. Every time.

Most people think things will get better, until you explain the effects of $10/gal gasoline. Never fails, even with the dumbest people.

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 23:45 | 4879951 Paveway IV
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"...If true, this would mean that Iraq has roughly a quarter of all of the world's oil..."

Correction, ZerOhead: had... Apparently, ten thousand U.S. troops only died for 60% of Iraq's oil reserves. The Kurds decided to take 'their' oil and have been selling it illegally to Israel and the US (with Turkey's help) for months. Dear Kurds, Turks and Israelis: you owe us 4,000 of our soldiers lives for securing your God Damn oil that you're stealing from the Iraqi people they died to help.

 

Source: Here

TOP NEWS
EXCLUSIVE-Israel, U.S. import disputed oil from Iraqi Kurdistan
Thu, May 15 14:53 PM BST
U.S. picks up one cargo, Israel at least 4

* Baghdad has threatened to sue companies doing trade

* Trieste, Italy previously main destination

By Julia Payne and Ron Bousso

LONDON, May 15 (Reuters) - Israeli and U.S. oil refineries have joined the growing list of customers for crude from Iraqi Kurdistan, a region locked in a bitter struggle with the central government in Baghdad that says the sales are illegal.

The United States imported its first crude cargo from the region two weeks ago while at least four have gone to Israel since January, ship tracking and industry sources said, after two were shipped there last summer.

The Iraqi government has repeatedly said oil sales by-passing Baghdad are illegal and has threatened to sue any company involved in the trade, yet Kurdish crude and light condensate oil has been sold to several European buyers. Baghdad refuses to sell oil to Israel, echoing other Arab states.

Israel's Energy Ministry declined to comment, saying that it does not discuss the country's sources of oil.

A senior Iraqi oil ministry official said Baghdad had no information on the sales but was investigating.

"If these reports are correct, then dire consequences will be inevitable," the Iraqi oil official said.

"This is a seriously dangerous development. We have always warned the region to stop smuggling Iraqi crude by trucks to Turkey...and now if this is proved true then they are going too far."

An official of Kurdistan's Ministry of Natural Resources said from the region's capital Arbil: "The Kurdish Regional Government (KRG) has not sold crude directly or indirectly to such destinations."

The stakes are high as Kurdistan's independent oil sales allow it to receive income outside Baghdad's budget, pushing it towards even greater autonomy.

Tensions reached a new pitch this week after Kurdistan's president said Iraq had been led in an authoritarian direction by Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki and threatened to end the region's participation in the federal government.

The deals involve major international commodity traders, including Trafigura, one of the top three oil traders in the world, trading and shipping sources said.

A spokeswoman for Trafigura declined to comment.

The sales come as the KRG and Baghdad aim to complete long-running negotiations over a pipeline Arbil built to Turkey to circumvent the central government monopoly.

Arbil began pumping crude through to the Turkish port of Ceyhan on the Mediterranean in January but stopped short of selling it, under the threat of budget cuts from Baghdad.

Storage tanks are now nearly full with 2.4 million barrels, trading and shipping sources close to the matter said. Exports of this oil could start as early as later this month.

TRACKING SHIPMENTS

Iraqi Kurdistan began selling its oil independently of the federal government in 2012 with a small trickle of condensate trucked through Turkey, followed by two types of crude oil.

Baghdad says only its state oil company is authorised to sell Iraqi crude, but both sides claim the constitution is on their side and with a crucial hydrocarbon law stuck in draft mode, there is room to manoeuvre.

A Turkish company called Powertrans is the broker for the Kurdish government, selling the oil via tenders to traders. Much of the crude has gone to Trieste, Italy while the condensate has gone to France, Germany, the Netherlands and even Latin America.

The tanker Marinoula discharged around 265,000 barrels of heavy sour Iraqi Shaikan crude oil at the Oiltanking terminal in Houston on May 1, shipping sources said and Reuters AIS Live ship tracking showed.

The identity of the buyer was unclear as the terminal is connected to 23 refining, production and storage facilities scattered between the Gulf Coast and Cushing, Oklahoma.

The crude was loaded by trading company Petraco at the Delta Rubis terminal at Dortyol in Turkey, one of two ports that export Kurdish oil, the sources said. The company declined to comment.

At least four cargoes laden with Kurdish crude went to Israel since the start of this year. Trading sources said that Israel's Oil Refineries Limited's (ORL) plant at Haifa ran some of it.

Paz Oil Company, owner of a refinery near Ashdod, bought at least two cargoes within the last 9 months, traders said.

A spokesman for ORL said "ORL purchases its crude oil from different sources in accordance with the refinery's needs and market conditions."

A spokeswoman for Paz denied the plant had used Kurdish crude.

Some Kurdish oil has also been simply stored, sources said.

Geneva-based trading company Mocoh lifted Shaikan crude from Dortyol in Turkey on the Baltic Commodore, which arrived in Ashkelon in Israel on Jan. 31, market sources and ship-tracking showed.

An official at the company said that "Israeli refineries are not necessarily using this crude," but declined to elaborate.

Trafigura sent a cargo of Kurdish crude to Israel on the Hope A tanker, which went first to Ashkelon and then to Haifa between Feb 10-15.

The Kriti Jade loaded Kurdish crude in Turkey and then sailed to Ashkelon on March 3 and then Haifa a few days later, the sources and ship-tracking showed.

The second tanker, Kriti Sea, picked up Kurdish oil around March 5. The vessel then anchored off Limassol, Cyprus but did not discharge crude. Petraco lifted both cargoes.

Instead it left still laden and tracking was switched off between May 17-20 near the Israeli coast. When it reappeared, still close to Israel, the tanker was empty. (Additional reporting by Steven Sheer in Jerusalem, Ahmed Rasheed in Baghdad, Isabel Coles in Arbil and David Sheppard in London, editing by William Hardy)

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 01:56 | 4880090 Paveway IV
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33 million miserable people live in Iraq today after surviving two consecutive homicidal nutjobs: Saddam Hussein and Nouri al Maliki.

Less the 1 million killed by the U.S. sanctions genocide and not one, but two wars directed against them by the U.S.

33 million long-suffering Iraqis deserve SOME kind of little break - like clean water, food, roads, etc. Instead, they have Maliki and his cronies who steal almost all of the reconstruction and oil money, and the average Iraqi hasn't seen a frickin' dime of that yet. 

Now, 4 million Iraqi Kurds somehow figure they're entitled to all the profits from 'their' 40% of Iraqi's oil for themselves. Since they mysteriously were handed Kirkuk a few days ago, they now also control the Iraqi to Turkey pipeline and don't have to smuggle oil out by truck any more. Not only that, but they want reparations from the rest of the 29 million Iraqis for the way they were treated under Saddam Hussein.

I use to like the Kurds... before they schemed to fuck over the other 29 million muslims in Iraq. 

 

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 14:34 | 4878759 Flakmeister
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Do you read what you just said? if Putin thought for a moment he could actually crush the US, he would do it in a heartbeat...

The only thing Putin is going to crush in the near future is a few walnuts and maybe some Chechen rebels...

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 14:41 | 4878790 john39
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you think like an american, always wanting to use a hammer.  Putin does not share your approach.  He doesn't need a hammer.  The U.S. will destroy itself, all Putin needs to do is set the trap.

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 15:16 | 4878831 ZerOhead
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... and wait for the klepto rats to take the bait.

Again... I might add. Sadly.

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 00:27 | 4879995 Calmyourself
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John, Flak drinks .gov kool-Aid by the gallon that anyone could get over on the beloved.gov is anathema to her..

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 15:28 | 4878981 Bad Attitude
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I thought the trap had already been sprung with the election (and reelection) of Dear Leader.

Forward (over the cliff)!

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 15:39 | 4879010 john39
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that wasn't a Russian made trap.  that was the hidden hand...  the same hidden hand that runs wall street, and tried to destroy Russia with the Bolshevik revolution.   sitting here today, the multiple attempts to destroy Russia, all look like a big fail for the old hidden hand.

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 21:21 | 4879697 NuckingFuts
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It almost makes you wonder what might have been..... The Czars transition to some sort of reasonable representative democracy with free markets ( I know I am day dreaming) .... But what if 1917 had never happened?

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 22:07 | 4879785 conscious being
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The Czars would not play ball with the Banksters and so were marked for elimination.

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 22:41 | 4879862 Not Too Important
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Horrible stuff. Even the US landed troops in the East.

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 12:30 | 4880605 Flakmeister
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Completely bass-ackwards....

More like because the Romanovs were very capable of playing ball with the bankers they were executed by Bolsheviks...

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 12:41 | 4880633 Not Too Important
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"One of their greatest triumphs was the successful outcome of the Rothschilds’ protracted war against the Russian Imperial Family. The family name of the Romanovs was derived from Roma Nova, New Rome. It embodied the ancient prophecy that Moscow was to become “the New Rome.” The family originated with Prince Prus, brother of Emperor August of Rome, who founded Prussia. In 1614, Michael became the first Romanov Czar.

After the fall of Napoleon, the Rothschilds turned all their hatred against the Romanovs. In 1825, they poisoned Alexander I; in 1855, they poisoned Nicholas I. Other assassinations followed, culminating on the night of Nov. 6, 1917, when a dozen Red Guards drove a truck up to the Imperial Bank Building in Moscow. They loaded the Imperial jewel collection and $700 million gold, loot totalling more than a billion dollars. The new regime also confiscated the 150 million acres in Russia personally owned by the Czar.

Of equal importance were the enormous cash reserves which the Czar had invested abroad in European and American banks. The New York Times stated that the Czar had $5 million in Guaranty Trust, and $1 million in the National City Bank; other authorities stated it was $5 million in each bank. Between 1905 and 1910 the Czar had sent more than $900 million to be deposited in six leading New York banks, Chase, National City, Guaranty Trust, J.P. Morgan, Hanover, and Manufacturers Trust. These were the principal banks controlled by the House of Rothschild through their American agents, J.P. Morgan, and Kuhn, Loeb Co. These were also the six New York banks which bought the controlling stock in the Federal Reserve Bank of New York in 1914. They have held control of the stock ever since.

The Czar also had $115 million in four English banks. He had $35 million in the Bank of England, $25 million in Barings, $25 million in Barclays, and $30 million in Lloyd’s Bank. In Paris, the Czar had $100 million in Banque de France, and $80 million in the Rothschild Bank of Paris. In Berlin, he had $132 million in the Mendelsohn Bank, which had long been bankers to Russia. None of these sums has ever been disbursed; at compound interest since 1916, they amount to more than $50 billion. Two claimants later appeared, a son, Alexis, and a daughter, Anastasia. Despite a great deal of proof substantiating their claims, Peter Kurth notes in “Anastasia” that “Lord Mountbatten put up the money for court battles against Anastasia. Although he was Empress Alexandra’s nephew, he was the guiding force behind Anastasia’s opposition.” The Battenbergs, or Mountbattens, were also related to the Rothschild family. They did not wish to see the Czar’s fortune reclaimed and removed from the Rothschild banks."

http://www.real-debt-elimination.com/real_freedom/The_World_Order/the_ro...

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 15:58 | 4879079 TheFourthStooge-ing
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you think like an american

Owwww, that's gonna leave a nasty mark. Might as well beat him with a car aerial or a Hot Wheels® track.

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 14:51 | 4878847 813kml
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You have got to be the most prolific shill on this site.

The US is crushing itself, Putin is just prodding it occasionally while keeping a safe distance from the inevitable implosion.

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 14:55 | 4878862 john39
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>>prolific

but utterly lacking the sense of humor of MDB...

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 15:08 | 4878888 ZerOhead
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Just keep him off the catastrophic anthropogenic global warming topic and we'll be fine...

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 15:18 | 4878930 Flakmeister
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Don't bring it up and parade your complete and utter ignorance then...

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 15:54 | 4879042 ZerOhead
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How about just my utter ignorance then... deal?

Say... how many more years without lower tropospheric warming past the current 17 year "pause" before we can safely call CAGW a dud?

Just askin'...

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 11:27 | 4880486 Flakmeister
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Still parrotting that discredited shit, eh, hedgetard?

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 12:35 | 4880617 Flakmeister
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The worst drought in 60 years was definately part of the Syrian equation...

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 16:26 | 4879157 DaveyJones
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empires have a nasty habit of doing that. We had this nice conversation the other day and many here seemed to agree. The new war will be won and lost on real resource and real debt. No army - bureaucrats or boots, will make a lick of difference, other than wasting... more real resouce and creating...more real debt.

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 22:09 | 4879751 intric8
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You used the words 'boot' and 'lick', and couldnt help but think of our statist president obama and how he prioritizes wrecking freedoms for americans domestically in the cause of fighting 'terrorism'. Meanwhile, trillions spent on 'liberating' iraq from 'terrorism' will go down the tubes because of the lack of preventive measures out of the state dept.

Putin is a grandmaster at capitalizing on obama mistakes. If russia and iran team up to repel the isis push into baghdad, he will score a huge win with the public opinion war. Besides, he has interests there, just like the u.s. has 'interests' in ukraine.

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 16:07 | 4879101 Jugdish787
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It's all about economics until someone starts to lose...at some point the military might will come out.  If Hitler had nukes, even at the end of the war, do you not think he would have used them on the advancing red army?  All bets are off when shit gets real.  I have a very hard time believing they (tptb) are doing this for show...What is fucking point of having an elaborate show to keep the sheep in line?  If everyone is playing together and controls everything anyway, just tell the fucking sheep you are transferring power to the east and if you don't like it, tough shit.  That's the part I don't get is the idea of this grand show, illusion for your and my benefit, so we don't get upset...

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 21:06 | 4879673 James Dandy
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Forget Hitler, the Jews in Israel have already threatened to destroy their bent-over allies in Europe with nukes, for no reason at all.

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 22:43 | 4879869 Not Too Important
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They'll destroy the US, too. They have nukes all over:

'Israeli NYC Embassy 
A Radiation Hot Spot?'

http://rense.com/general75/hotspot.htm

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 02:43 | 4880115 SF beatnik
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The Napier from Oildrum???

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 14:22 | 4878698 El Vaquero
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Look at a map.  Look where ports in the Med and the Caspian Sea are.  Russia could very well project power in Iraq with much shorter supply lines.

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 14:28 | 4878726 Flakmeister
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Call me when Russia can drop an armoured brigade anywhere on the planet worth being within 36 hours...

Now if you said Azerbaijan, I would believe you...

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 14:32 | 4878749 El Vaquero
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I'm not talking about anywhere in the world, I'm talking about Iraq.  All that Russia needs is for Iran or Syria to play ball, and they have a place for a forward base of operations.  But then again, they could also simply send in Spetznaz to act as forward spotters to call in air strikes.  

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 14:38 | 4878775 Flakmeister
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Air strikes? Against what? The Russians haven't tried that on foreign soil since the '80s... Do they have a single pilot that has flown a mission in anger? 

Syria has always played ball, or did you forget that is was the last vestige of a Soviet client state in the ME?

Do you think Putin wants to rachet up the ME with his hands full in the Ukr? 

Good god, at least be realistic...

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 14:42 | 4878796 El Vaquero
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I am being realistic.  You're the one who is dumb enough to think that just because they have not dropped a bomb on foriegn soil "in anger" since the '80s that they cannot do so today.  There is no rule or law that supports your assertion.  ISIS/ISIL is not a terribly sophisticated force, and Russian ordinance is getting more accurate. 

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 14:46 | 4878822 Flakmeister
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They certainly can drop a bomb, but to what effect?

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 15:05 | 4878892 IndyPat
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A very glowing effect, troll boy

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 15:10 | 4878907 Not Too Important
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Been done before:

"...the sheets of ancient desert glass found in various parts of the world raises the possibility of atomic wars that were fought in ancient times or atomic testing that occurred in the dim and distant past."

http://blog.hallofthegods.org/2010/04/ancient-knowledge-atomic-weapons.html

 

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 15:28 | 4878979 Overfed
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Probably the Goa'uld.

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 17:04 | 4879202 Not Too Important
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Annunaki, according to the Sumerians:

'Slave Species Of The Gods', by Michael Tellinger

http://www.amazon.com/Slave-Species-Gods-History-Anunnaki/dp/1591431514/...

Far more believable than anything written after 1750 BCE, with far more physical proof.

"Sumer was the southernmost region of ancient Mesopotamia (modern-day Iraq and Kuwait) which is generally considered the cradle of civilization. The name comes from Akkadian, the language of the north of Mesopotamia, and means “land of the civilized kings”. The Sumerians called themselves “the black headed people” and their land, in cuneiform script, was simply “the land” or “the land of the black headed people”. In the biblical Book of Genesis Sumer is known as Shinar. According to the Sumerian King List, when the gods first gave human beings the gifts necessary for cultivating society, they did so by establishing the city of Eridu in the region of Sumer. While the Sumerian city of Uruk is held to be the oldest city in the world, the ancient Mesopotamians believed that it was Eridu and that it was here that order was established and civilization began."

http://www.ancient.eu.com/sumer/

 

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 17:14 | 4879251 Jugdish787
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wow...I can finally tell someone, rather than be told, their tinfoil hat is a little too tight.

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 18:13 | 4879353 Not Too Important
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You clearly haven't read the book. Read it and get back to me. I'm not saying it's true, I'm saying it's more believable than any tripe written after even, say, 1500 BCE. Have you read anything that old? Pre-Socratics? Hindu scripture?

Faith is believing in something you can't scientifically prove. Once someone can begin to scientifically prove something previously only believed on faith, things become more serious.

It's all a load of crap according to Quantum Physics, but sometimes it's relaxing to play along.

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 20:56 | 4879653 Jugdish787
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i was just giving you a hard time and enjoy your comments.  I am more inclined to believe you, given all the things I used to think were crazy are now being proved true.  

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 00:53 | 4880028 Dublinmick
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https://dublinsmick.wordpress.com/2012/05/10/who-are-the-nefilim-where-d...

Big flash in Gommorah. Dead Sea is still radioactive

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 15:19 | 4878933 Flakmeister
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Yeah, and that is a real winning move from a chess player...

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 22:27 | 4879827 conscious being
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"Russia hasn't ... yadee yadee dah ... since the 1980s"???

Gori?? Tiblisi?? Ever heard of these places?  2008 ring a bell?

US, Israeli supplied armor smoking wrecks by the road side.  Traffic jam of run away troops on the road to Tiblisi after they (Georgian troops)

started shelling civillians in South Ossetia?

 

 

 

 

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 11:29 | 4880488 Flakmeister
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All former places in the USSR...

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 11:35 | 4880498 Urban Redneck
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So is Ukraine.

Sorry, couldn't resist...

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 12:38 | 4880630 Flakmeister
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Yep.... indeed right in their backyard....

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 15:48 | 4879045 DrewJackson
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Flak, keep beating your head against the huge erections that many ZHers have for Putin and Russia.

I am no fan of the policies of the USA, and there is no doubt Putin is way smoother then Obama.  BUT the military facts you mention are the TRUTH.    Russians cannot even build their own assault ships and had to turn to France.

The Russians have spent their limited military budget on missiles, nukes and subs.  

As bad off the USSA is, it is still leagues above Russia by almost every measure.   This may not last our lifetime, the TRENDS are not favorable for USSA.....

I find it amusing on how many ZHers idolize Putin and Russia....  they must have limited experince in the world, or allowing their own selfloathing or that of Obama to effect their judgement.

 

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 15:54 | 4879064 dogbreath
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why don't flakzuki and you get a room  she seems to be your type

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 16:00 | 4879084 DrewJackson
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Snappy come back Jr.

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 16:13 | 4879122 ZerOhead
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The loathing is definitely for Obama and Putins major internatioanl appeal stems from the fact that he is not.

US military might is supreme to be sure... when you spend as much as the rest of the world combined you get that kind of machine.

Unfortunately the US has been letting neocon chickenhawks drive that machine which is why the US was incapable of winning most of it's wars despite the massive hardware advantage.

It takes massive acts of idiocy to overwhelm the advantages of that superiority.

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 20:46 | 4879635 disabledvet
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I can't stand Putin. Phuckin' spies, I hate 'em all. The President is a dope if he trusts that guy. Still, there's something cool about Russia and Russians that's undeniable.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_93-BPWGfcQ

"Kerensky and the rest of the bullshit bourgeoisie."
They'll fight...if not for Putin then for someone else.

This Iraqi move is kinda weird though. The Saudi's love super high oil prices too. So do the Americans. So do the English and the Iranians. And the Kurds. So does Kiev actually. "Operation Uranium" comes to mind.

I doubt if the Syrians or Egyptians or French are big fans of this. This all makes me think of Hillary Clinton: "go after the President just because." These clowns can't turn off their machine guns. The term "bury the hatchet" doesn't always mean "in that phuckers head."

Even Stalin made peace with Hitler.
Damn near cost him Russia.

"But the inevitable was still the inevitable."
A final Showdown.

Why is everyone in such a hurry for the Apocalypse? "Always war, war, war with these people."
As both Stalin and Hitler found "look only for the Apocalypse...and find it."

I will stand with the President here.
Let him do his thing "and those who will stand with him here."

If free and fair elections aren't good enough for the Democratic Party...they are good enough for me. The only actual descendent of Mohammad is the King of Morocco I believe.
http://themuslim500.com/profile/king-mohammed-vi-morocco

Interesting..."the Maliki school." Hmmm. What does that mean?

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 08:14 | 4880255 Tompooz
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"Interesting..."the Maliki school." Hmmm. What does that mean?"

No connection with Mr Al_Maliki. 

The Maliki school is one of the four orthodox Sunni "schools" (of Islamic legal tradition), the others being the Hanbali, Shafi'i and Hanafi schools, named after their founding scholars.

The Shi'a have their own school of jurisprudence, known as Ja'fari.

 

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 17:24 | 4879267 Miffed Microbio...
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Well Drew means Man, Warrior and I don't think Flak leans that way. ;-)

Miffed;-)

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 15:55 | 4879067 Not Too Important
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No, it's more like watching a TV show or a movie. You hate the bad guys that are screwing the good guys, but then a bigger bad guy comes along and screws the first bad guys, even though the second bad guy screws his good guys, too. It's inherent in humans to enjoy watching their oppressors taken down a few notches, even when they know it's only temporary.

And there's no question, this is all temporary. We are heading into a new global Dark Ages that will never, ever end. Failing nuclear power plants will see to that, if the diseases don't get us all first.

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 18:15 | 4879356 August
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But at least that Future will be offering the residue of humanity a Stateless Libertarian Paradise.

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 19:16 | 4879467 Not Too Important
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A residue like the melting starfish?

 

'“The largest disease outbreak that we know of ever in the oceans” now hitting West Coast — Potential for “global extinction” — “Affects over 20 species… causing catastrophic mortality” — Expert: One of history’s largest wildlife die-offs… signal in ecosystem that something’s not right'

 

Mcleans, June 13, 2014: From Alaska to Mexico—and all along the B.C. coast—an iconic animal is disappearing. For reasons that remain baffling to scientists, starfish are dying by the millions, in the grips of a mysterious wasting disease that dissolves their bodies into goo. “I’d do beach walks along a 50-m stretch of shoreline, and count 500 or 1,000 of them,” says Chris Harley, a marine ecologist at the University of British Columbia who’s been monitoring sea stars (as scientists call them) for nearly two decades [...] Revisiting one of these sites recently, he found a single sea star. […] “This is one of the largest wildlife die-offs that we know of,” [Seattle Aquarium veterinarian Lesanna Lahner] says. “It’s a signal in the ecosystem that something’s not right.”

KUOW News, June 16, 2014: “It’s a lot worse than it was last week,” says [Drew] Harvell, a marine epidemiologist at Cornell University. [...] “It’s the largest mortality event for marine diseases we’ve seen,” Harvell said. “It affects over twenty species on our coast and it’s been causing catastrophic mortality.” [...] From what Harvell and her team see as they survey beaches [of Washington's San Juan archipelago], there’s not much time for these starfish [...] “My expectation is that within the next month all of the stars will die.” The team checked this rocky patch last week and found 10 percent of the stars showed signs of the wasting syndrome. Today they estimate that number has increased to more than 40 percent. [...]  Harvell said, “This area has some of the highest biodiversity of sea stars in the world. We’re not just losing one keystone species, we’re losing a whole guild of stars.” And the stars here are what’s called an endemic species, meaning they only live on this shoreline and nowhere else on the planet, she explained. If sea stars are wiped out along these shores, there’s a potential for not just local, but global extinction.

http://enenews.com/tv-largest-disease-outbreak-oceans-hitting-west-coast...

 

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 00:57 | 4880033 Dublinmick
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"Potential for “global extinction"

 

Nature has had enough

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 16:13 | 4879126 DrewJackson
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Life Expectancy in Russia rank 124 out of 193.    Behind Egypt.   LOL 

 

Yeah those Russians are living the GOOD LIFE!!!

 

Imagine if Russia had 14% African population, and huge influx of poor, uneducated people from Mexico and Central America ( Most with longer life expectacy then Mother Russia)?   They would be even farther back.

 

Putin is smooth, Obama is a dolt.   But Russia is a 3rd World Country....  You posters from Russia know what I am talking about.   Without natural resources they would be a waste land.   In 25 years as Russian population continues to SHRINK, China will relieve you of those as well.   Deal with it.

 

Edit for link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy

Sure I know you Ruskies will say Wiki is just Western Propaganda. 

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 16:49 | 4879212 Not Too Important
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Yes, we all know Russia is a third world country. And we all know the West is being led there as fast as airplanes can fly illegals in, while they destroy the economic fabric of every country on the planet, especially their own. Well, the Germans bark now and then, but it doesn't last long.

We are all watching this destruction in real time, in living color.

And your point is?

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 16:57 | 4879224 DrewJackson
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I do not disagree that USSA is heading that way fast....  It is troubling and sad.

My point is to bring the light to all those who are drooling over Putin and claiming Russia is some kind of paragone of virtue, quality of life, or any other mesurable quality.   USSA still have a long time to go to hit Russian levels.

I suspect that most of these blabbering pro-Russian posts are from those who are stuck in Russia ( who really immigrates to Russia??  LOL  ) or those who are self-hating Americans.   While I sympothize with both groups, let's keep it real. 

If the USSA converted back to USA under Consitution or even Article of Confederation - We would increase our lead over Russia and any other Country/Region.   But since we are keeping it real...  I do not see this in the cards.

 

 

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 19:15 | 4879471 MeBizarro
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You arguing with idiots on here.  A lot of the same anti-science tards who believe in all kinds of junk/psuedo science or utter nonsense.  Putin is a criminal who threatens/imprisons/kills those who oppose him, has stolen tens of billions from Russian and parked it various places around the globe, and with the only difference between him and a guy like Yelstin is that he won't let Westerners screw the Russians.  He'll just do what almost every Russian strongman has done since the Golden Horde swept through Russia - run rough shod over his own people to pursue his own and 'Russian glory.' 

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 19:17 | 4879476 Not Too Important
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Sounds like Putin is a Western banker. Now the jig is up!

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 19:35 | 4879516 MeBizarro
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I have always kind of wondered if Putin just isn't more of the symbolic figurehea & public persona fora group of Russian oliogarchs and military men who really make the calls.  I am just constantly baffled by the support of Putin on here although I have a feeling it is more anti-Obama/Russian bot posters than anything. 

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 13:57 | 4880781 Dublinmick
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GMO is bringing it about very swiftly

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 17:19 | 4879256 tony wilson
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hey drew you and flak except your fate.

you where both born to be useless dried up cunts : )

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 17:31 | 4879262 socalbeach
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The Russian population is growing, Einstein.

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Russia’s population up by 800,000 since 2010 - statistics

23 April, 2014

'"The goal of the Concept of the Demographic Policy aiming to stabilize the number of the population at 142-143 million by 2015 was reached in 2012, or three years ahead of schedule," the ministry said in its report.'

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 19:18 | 4879358 Not Too Important
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Yes, but what demographic? Those that get an education and work, or those that kill and destroy their own house?

L.A. has rising population. I don't want to live there.

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 01:03 | 4880038 Dublinmick
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"L.A. has rising population. I don't want to live there."

 

We want you to live there, please get the uhaul

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 17:00 | 4879229 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Flak, keep beating your head against the huge erections that many ZHers have for Putin and Russia.

Oh, look, a fag lame.. Who would have expected that?

It's funny how the fag lame is the default fallback position for so many of those who are afraid of Putin and Russia.

But hey, when that's all you've got...

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 22:40 | 4879858 El Vaquero
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It's not about liking or disliking Putin.  It's about what he can do and what he will do.  As I've said many times over, he is formidable and we have put him into the position where he gets to be the good guy, so he is going to take us up on the offer with great glee.  But he is a statist.  

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 00:41 | 4880012 Calmyourself
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That has been in my head for a while.  Like Putin, who cares if he is liked he is practicing Realpolitik the way it was meant to be done.  We wish our Soros/bank led oligarchy could manage tp play chess like this guy.  Personally he is just another psychopathic total dictator wannabee infecting governments worldwide.

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 15:54 | 4879060 Kirk2NCC1701
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@Flakmeister: "Do they have a single pilot that has flown a mission in anger?"

I hope they don't have pilots who (not 'that') have flown missions in "anger".  Does that explain the results of US battles?  ;-)

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 11:33 | 4880495 Flakmeister
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It is clealy a metaphor that was lost on you....

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 21:10 | 4879677 James Dandy
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If Putin is as smart as I think he is, he will drop the bombs on Israel and make peace in the world with one swift decision.  Have to admit that would be a great chess move.

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 14:38 | 4878777 dryam
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I do not believe you are a Russian. However, i do believe you are a douchebag troll.

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 14:40 | 4878789 Flakmeister
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Sorry to have interrupted your circle jerkfest of confirmation bias...

Deal with it, make a counter argument, if you even can...

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 14:54 | 4878858 tjeffersonsghost
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They can't make a counter argument, I'm convinced half are Russian cyber intelligence. America can do no right, Russia can do no wrong. I love Zero Hedge, but sometimes the whole everything wrong in the world is America's fault meme kind of gets old.

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 15:08 | 4878902 Berspankme
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Maybe because a lot of us have watched America step on their own dick for like 40 years now. Be objective

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 15:13 | 4878919 McMolotov
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There was also a point in time when people thought everything wrong in the world was the British Empire's fault. They weren't wrong.

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 15:21 | 4878939 Flakmeister
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And if it wasn't the Brits, it would have been French, and so on and so on....

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 17:01 | 4879231 Panafrican Funk...
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That's the point buddy.  Think in simple terms; we're the Empire in the Star Wars analogy.  The only people that don't hate the empire are narcissistic assholes, which we are increasinly becoming full of (helped by such "technologies" as smartphones and Facebook).  

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 15:57 | 4879076 Not Too Important
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All Masons . . .

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 18:29 | 4879380 Herodotus
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Just listen to a few of Lyndon LaRouche's recent speeches.  The British are to blame for everything, according to him.

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 15:14 | 4878921 Oldwood
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Its not easy being a contrarian...or maybe it is???

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 22:06 | 4879787 Raging Debate
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TJeffersonsghist - I agree. In this case I also agree with Flakmeister. Militarily, Russia is surrounded and that includes China if push comes to shove.

But I feel if Russia is pushed to hard Putin will not hesitate to attempt to kill every living thing on this planet. He is a very shrewd actor. I will not worship anyone.

I am politically neutral. That is Christ's example. And it is also not always out of kumbaya either. During some cycles in history being shrewd keeps one alive. There is a time and place for everything.

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 01:06 | 4880042 Dublinmick
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Does Benny Yahoo insist you swallow?

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 14:42 | 4878802 Not Too Important
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The US couldn't even get armed drones to Benghazi, parked/flying less than an hour away. Plenty of camera drones, though, to watch all the NWO entertainment.

Or do you mean a SEAL team inserted into an ambush within 36 hours?

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 14:50 | 4878841 Goldenballz
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Beurocracy is present at all levels of Government apparently

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 15:52 | 4879058 DrewJackson
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Or mahybe those in power choose NOT to...  It is not the first time politicans have abandonded men in the field.

 

Do not confuse US political leadership, including military with the American People.

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