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Ukraine President Unveils 10Km "No Man's Land" Buffer With Russia; Declares Unilateral Cease-Fire

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UPDATE: Not going well... UKRAINE REBELS SAY WON'T DISARM UNTIL KIEV WITHDRAWS TROOPS:AFP

Petro Poroshenko earlier called Russia's Vladmimir Putin to explain his 14-point plan (to be unveiled to the public later today) to curb the pro-Russia insurgency in the east. As AFP reports:

  • UKRAINE PRESIDENT SAYS UNILATERAL CEASEFIRE TO BEGIN TODAY TO JUNE 27
  • Ukraine peace plan to call for 10-km buffer zone on Russia border

As Reuters notes, it was not clear if the whole of the proposed demilitarized no-man's land would be on Ukraine's side of the border or part of it on the Russian side. It was also not clear what the status of people living in border areas would be. Putin's initial response is to demand the "immediate end to military operations" against pro-Russian separatists.

 

Reuters reports,

President Petro Poroshenko will call for the creation of a 10-km (6.25-mile) buffer zone on the border with Russia under a 14-point plan to bring peace to east Ukraine, according to an unofficial copy published by media on Friday.

 

Ukraine says fighters from Russia and supplies of guns and other military equipment have been coming into the country to support pro-Russian separatists, and tightening control of the 1,900-km (1,190-mile) border is Ukraine's main security headache.

 

Details of the proposal to create a 10-km buffer zone, contained in a photographed copy of the 14-point plan and carried in Ukrainian media, were not spelled out.

 

It was not clear if the whole of the proposed demilitarized no-man's land would be on Ukraine's side of the border or part of it on the Russian side. It was also not clear what the status of people living in border areas would be.

 

Acting Defence Minister Mykhailo Koval told parliament on Friday that government forces were now back in control of the border and there was now no possibility of military equipment being ferried in to the rebels from Russia.

and AFP adds,

Ukraine's new President Petro Poroshenko on Friday released a 14-point peace plan to curb a pro-Russian insurgency in the east, calling for immediate disarmament and promising to decentralise power through constitutional reform.

 

The plan also drops criminal charges against rebels who committed no "serious crimes" and provides "a guaranteed corridor for Russian and Ukrainian mercenaries to leave" the conflict zone, Kiev's private Inter TV station reported on its website.

 

Earlier Poroshenko called Russia's Vladimir Putin to discuss the plan to end the bloodshed, the second late night phone conversation between the leaders this week, the Kremlin said.

 

"Poroshenko informed the Russian head of state regarding the main points of his plan to regulate the situation in south-east Ukraine," the Kremlin said in a statement overnight Thursday.

 

Putin gave "a series of comments" on the plan stressing an "immediate end to the military operation" that was launched by Kiev against pro-Russian separatist militia in Ukraine's eastern regions of Donetsk and Lugansk.

Let's hope the cease-fire lasts more than minutes... or is this simply another way to ensnare Russia and force US/EU hands to enforce the sanctions they have been threatening. It seems the argument over where the "no man's land" starts and ends will be a non-starter.

 

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Fri, 06/20/2014 - 12:26 | 4878232 Squid Viscous
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too bad Jack Tatum has passed, otherwise we could send him to Kiev, with a message for the Noodling, Noodle-man Neocons, "yats", poroshenko, etc

 

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMWVMxIlHyQ

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 12:29 | 4878265 NotApplicable
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NATO intrusion zone?

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 12:49 | 4878348 AlaricBalth
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A buffer zone?

Porochenko is proposing a de facto Demilitarized Zone (DMZ), with the hope that he can invite NATO forces to act as "peacekeepers".

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 13:37 | 4878514 Terminus C
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Say goodbye to the IMF money if this deal works.

 

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 13:43 | 4878537 MisterMousePotato
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When I first saw the headline, I thought, "Ten thousand miles? Isn't that, like, alot?"

(And, yes, I do know it's not a word.)

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 12:54 | 4878353 DetectiveStern
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A 10km thick red line will be painted. Paid for by an IMF loan creating 1000s of jobs for Ukranian painters and wildly held as the greatest piece of diplomacy since since China gave Scotland a panda.

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 13:01 | 4878383 NotApplicable
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When Poroshenko was originally described as a "middle of the road" guy in regards to Ukraine and Russia, I didn't realize he was going to make his own road.

Silly me.

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 13:26 | 4878477 COSMOS
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Will he BUILD A FENCE?  I am sure he can borrow more money from the IMF for it.  But maybe he should get advice on its construction from Israel instead of the USA, not like our Border fence is doing any good.

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 12:22 | 4878240 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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How far can a Russian tank fire an artillery shell?

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 12:41 | 4878320 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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The question was rhetorical though the symbollic meaning of 10km could easily be interperted as 10km for 10 tanks.

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 13:42 | 4878535 Sirius Wonderblast
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T90 main gun rated to have high accuracy/high probability of first time hit while moving at 6km range for Refleks HEAT missile, and 5km for conventional shells. T80 uses same weapon, but less advanced fire control. Note, this is a big gun - 125mm bore, compared to 120mm used on M1 Abrams and Challenger 2 (nb M1 Abrams 105mm rifled bore,M1A1 120mm smooth bore). The T90 reportedly has a significantly improved and faster autoloader, the achilles heel of earlier Russian/Soviet tanks.,

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 14:47 | 4878804 Urban Redneck
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They pounded Gronzy into the dirt with 152mm self propelled guns and howitzers, range about 30km.

The tanks bat cleanup and provide fire support to the APCs.

(if they chose to fight last war over again)

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 15:50 | 4879054 Sirius Wonderblast
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Yes, and self propelled guns can arrive, fire and are gone while the shells are still in the air. Accurate shelling does require spotters in forward positions though.

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 12:27 | 4878255 maskone909
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soooo everything outside the buffer if fair game for murder and mahem?  this sounds more like a declaration of war more so than a peace agreement.

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 12:32 | 4878274 NotApplicable
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Just like the last "cease-fire" "agreement."

In Ukraine, cease-fire kills you!

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 12:31 | 4878269 Yen Cross
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     Break out the Crayola Crayons.

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 12:31 | 4878270 Gringo Viejo
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It's gotta be SOME man's land.
Sez so in the sanity clause.

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 12:35 | 4878284 john39
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not necessarily, could put N. Poklanskya in charge there too:

http://rt.com/news/prosecutor-natalia-poklonskaya-crimea-101/

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 04:46 | 4880159 jeff montanye
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yes, what a prosecutie! 

this ukraine thing is looking like yugoslavia in the '90's with putin as clinton (in this respect only) and obama as slobodan milosevic (in so many ways except likelihood of appearing in the hague court on war crimes charges, though he merits it far more than milosevic ever did).

seriously, think about it. most of these "war criminals" world wide (and they are largely evil, criminal people) are acting in their own country or at most adjoining territory with an ongoing dispute. the u.s., based on a spectacular assault by someone (who exactly is an interesting question) over a decade ago now claims the right to kill from the sky with robot weapons anyone, anywhere, for basically all time.  

hitler could only dream.

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 12:41 | 4878321 Prometheus the ...
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"There ain't no sanity clause."

                    Chico Marx

 

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 12:31 | 4878273 DIgnified
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Super.  This setup workswell in Korea.  /s

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 12:36 | 4878286 IndianaJohn
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It must take a whole room full of jews to concoct such a plan.

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 13:38 | 4878519 Terminus C
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They don't have to be Jews, but they do have to be desparate.

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 04:59 | 4880166 jeff montanye
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they don't have to be jews but it often involves zionists.  that is the distinction.

glenn greenwald is a jew.    he is on the side of liberty.  so is naomi klein and a whole bunch of lesser known jews http://www.google.com/images?client=safari&rls=en&q=anti+zionist+jews&oe...

 

 

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 12:52 | 4878296 Dr. Engali
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"Ukraine's new President Petro Poroshenko on Friday released a 14-point peace plan to curb a pro-Russian insurgency in the east, calling for immediate disarmament and promising to decentralise power through constitutional reform."

Trust us, just lay your guns down and everything will be okay........ Yeah right.

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 12:53 | 4878357 Winston Churchill
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The Pol Pot sales line.

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 13:47 | 4878545 Sirius Wonderblast
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Pol Pot is the past - this is the work of his bang up to date nephew, Toss Pot.

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 14:26 | 4878722 Jack Burton
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Great call Winston! The extremists in the Kiev government are cut from the same cloth as Pol Pot. You have to do a little research in these people's statements, but they make clear in their very words that they plan wide scale murder. Their own words convict them of being fascist madmen.

The Kiev coup government is desperate, because time is not on their side. They are about to collapse econmically and socially. Their people's living standards are falling fast and that is before IMF austerity. In fact, NATO must be covering ALL military costs right now, because Kiev has no money to fund troops or weapons. The pay being offered men to fight in the East is very high. Way too high for Kiev, Washington and the EU are paying for this war. I am 100% sure of this. It is Putins duty as a man to send arms, money and advisers into East Ukraine to counter NATO attack dogs.  Kiev is a failed state, full of liars, fools, theifs and killers. What more can you say, no wonder Washington supprts them fully!

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 15:34 | 4878999 TheFourthStooge-ing
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.

Kiev is a failed state, full of liars, fools, theifs and killers. What more can you say, no wonder Washington supprts them fully!

As our friend AnAnonymous might say, Kiev has gone full 'american'.

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 15:55 | 4879068 Sirius Wonderblast
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Agreed, and as I have said before, winter will put paid to the Ukrainian army's efforts - it is notoriously undertrained and demoralised, and has been starved of investment since 1992

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 18:04 | 4879339 Sirius Wonderblast
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oops - accidental double post - sorry.

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 13:06 | 4878403 NotApplicable
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Gotta give them credit for the logic required to call this a "unilateral cease-fire."

It takes some serious balls (read: MSM backing) to publicly make such insane statements with impunity.

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 12:37 | 4878301 Ms. Erable
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So the Kenyan Usurper found his pen and loaned it to Poroshenko to draw a new red line; presumably the junta in Kiev will use it to color everything inside this new line red as well, all the time daring Putin to cross the border.

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 13:50 | 4878553 _ConanTheLibert...
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Colored with blood yeah

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 12:37 | 4878302 Kirk2NCC1701
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Clever, devios.

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 13:06 | 4878404 john39
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anyone dumb enough to believe these lying snakes?  i seriously doubt it...   eventually, everyone can see the blood stains all over their hands.

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 12:39 | 4878309 R3ap3R
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I guess the US wants to retry the whole Georgian situation agian and maybe this time respond. If so that will give russia east-ukraine but leave the russian goverment without money. Suddenly it makes alot of sence why the ukraine army was bombing the region, the rebuild cost would be huge. I think they will intensify bombing and this whole cease-fire wil not last a day.

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 13:22 | 4878442 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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Damn right they do.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/06/10/us-moldova-georgia-idUSKBN0EL1...

 

Undeterred by the conflict triggered by Ukraine's swing towards Europe, the former Soviet republics of Moldova and Georgia will sign a trade and political pact with the European Union this month with Russia warning both countries against the move.

 

The two small countries - Moldova has a population of just over 3.5 million and Georgia 4.5 million - see the signing of an association agreement as the crucial step towards mainstream Europe, leading to eventual membership of the powerful EU trading bloc.

...

This was the same type of agreement Ukraine pulled out of that the that NATO engineered, State Department led Euromaidan protests and coup were in response to.

This is bigger than just gas and oil though Georgia overlaps with taking control of a feeder point to the east for the Nabucco since the North and South routes have been lost via Syria and even Ukraine if they manage to hold onto control of it. They need Georgia to compete against the South Stream project now even more since it is coming online, if they can get Iran into the fold or tied up in war including sabatoge of pipelines in Iraq while woar is raging even better. Ukraine is about Western flow of gas now since Transistria was always the fallback spigot point south of Ukraine if it went to the EU.  It is also about keeping 'neutral' countries out of the CIS, the Russian upstart to compete against the EU.

 

 

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 13:32 | 4878497 Bankster Kibble
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Nicely said.  AND, because NATO is the defense org for the EU, this could also mean eventual NATO membership for Moldova and Georgia.  More ring-fencing around Russia?

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 14:37 | 4878699 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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Not likely unless NATO changed it's stance on allowing countries with disputed regions into NATO. Russia got that one covered also called Community for Democracy and Rights of Nations also known as CIS-2.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_for_Democracy_and_Human_Rights

Abkhazia / Georgia

Transnistria / Moldova

South Ossettia / Georgia

Nagonro-Karabakh / Azerbaijan

And of course NATO/EU had it's own way of countering that called the GUAM Organization of Democracy and Economic Development.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GUAM_Organization_for_Democracy_and_Econom...

Georgia / Abkhazia, South Ossetia

Ukraine / Crimea unofficially now eastern Ukraine unofficially

Azerbaijan / Nagonro-Karabakh

Moldova / Transistria officially, Gaguazia unofficially.

As things look right now Ukraine depending the outcome probably winds up in the EU but not NATO if the current situation ends with a partition and East Ukraine remains disputed.

Moldova probably winds up in EU and both NATO losing both Transnistria and Gaguazia in the process. Signs point to at least Transnistria being officially recognized as an independent country or Russian territory as a minimum being palatible to both the sides at this point in time. Gaguazia is still a wild card but Russian leaning.

Georgia to early to call.

Azerbajian is probably next up after Georgia and Moldova plays out.

 

Also as another aside on Iraq and Iran with the jihad caliphate comedy tour rolling into Iraq now from Syria they've essentially put on hold any current east/west Iraq/Iran pipeline projects or further expansion until the chaos settles down. They've essentially cockblocked Iran out of the EU gas market and Nabucco since the North land routes are blocked by the Kurdish regions (you are not getting a deal done with Kurds and Turks both involved) so the only other route they might have is north through the Caspian Sea. That ain't happening either considering gas fields in the Caspian Sea and the jockeying for control of them including disputed water rights between Russia, Azerbaijan and Iran among others bordering the Caspian Sea.

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 12:38 | 4878311 Jack Sheet
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In chess it would be like the "semi-slav" defense

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 12:40 | 4878315 lakecity55
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Poor Oshenkostein vs. Russian Armed Forces.

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 12:44 | 4878333 czarangelus
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I knew this would end in a Ukrainian invasion of Russia, which is what a peace plan that forces a "buffer zone" in another sovereign country more or less amounts to. Everyone thought I was insane, but NATO wants to Balkanize Russia and the Ukrainian Nazis are nothing more than useful idiots, disposable and expendable, to accomplish this purpose.

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 14:34 | 4878747 813kml
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You ARE insane, the Ukraine will not be invading Russia.  Nobody will be invading Russia, not even on paper.

I don't think a "peace plan" scribbled on a napkin by the CIA is going to bend Putin's knee.

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 12:56 | 4878362 disabledvet
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"mano a mano" time.

You sure that wasn't a 100 kilometer zone?

Again...for the record I support neither the diplomacy "nor the apparent war." Having said that if this thing goes hot "this gives new meaning to the term every tool in the tool box."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M270_Multiple_Launch_Rocket_System

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 12:59 | 4878376 kchrisc
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The whole thing is like a TV series where you know what happens in the series final.

Spoiler-alert: Putin wins.

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 14:07 | 4878640 Malachi Constant
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Shhh, don't say that out loud!

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 13:00 | 4878379 BOPOH
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Me think US army forces have to remove power from Washington DC and return it to the people.

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 13:07 | 4878410 NoWayJose
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The army has already sworn to protect the Constitution - which nobody in Washington DC seems to do...

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 13:09 | 4878420 NotApplicable
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You obviously aren't familiar with promotion process for flag-officers.

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 13:01 | 4878384 franzpick
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President Pee Pee: At the rate you are carrying out the Nuland-USSA-EU ordered ethnic cleansing of Ukrainian Russians, you will soon be able to declare and post the entire eastern Ukraine as your new, prohibited no-mans-land. 'Gotintog'.

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 13:08 | 4878389 cowdiddly
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Sounds like a whole bunch of ethnic russian and Ukraine farmers getting fucked out of 10K of land to me

And besides he Pork Chop needs to be negotiating with the Donbass not Putins call.

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 13:13 | 4878434 NotApplicable
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Land mines gotta grow somewhere!

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 13:06 | 4878405 NoWayJose
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Nearly every plan for the Ukraine involves trying to get the 'other guy' to do what you want him to do...  and it doesn't work when both sides try the same strategy...

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 13:08 | 4878416 SmittyinLA
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When are the Russians going to start torching the Chocolate kings Ukraine President's assets all over Russia and Eastern Ukraine? 

They dont really believe that he sold them do they?

 

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 13:13 | 4878432 vernwvu
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A new DMZ int he making!!

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 13:18 | 4878435 Gringo Viejo
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Just had an interesting event with 2 men coming to my front door. They handed me a pamphlet espousing the need for "a one world government". I responded by saying..."Sir, this is antithetical to everything I believe. And to illustrate my point, you completely disregarded the "no solicitors" sign on my front door believing that your message outweighs my right to privacy. That being said, Go Fuck Yourselves."

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 14:15 | 4878670 NotApplicable
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LOL. So, what group were they representing? And did they smell of Soros?

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 13:19 | 4878457 lolmao500
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And then you got this :

Ukraine opens fire on Russia in Dolzhansk, Rostov.

And this :

Russian Customs Officer shot at the Russian-Ukrainian border

 

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 13:37 | 4878515 Bankster Kibble
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Er, did these actually happen?  Or are they predictions?  (probably will happen, if so)  I had not heard that Ukrainian border guards shot into Russia.  Yet.

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 13:20 | 4878459 Uber Vandal
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June 27........ Why not not pick June 28, or July 28, you know, to REALLY make history rhyme / repeat.

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 13:24 | 4878473 lolmao500
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Well June 27 : Ukraine signs the EU deal...

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 13:28 | 4878469 tony wilson
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looking at israels involvement in these country take downs may i be sold bold as to suggest a wall like the great zionist wall of israhell.

let it be 6 million cubits thickness representing a constant reminder of the spielberg hollowcause.

let it be a billion horse hands long representing the billion poor innocent  jewish souls who have died since the beggining of are changed bbc histories.

let the wall not be a beacon a talisman for the future but a warning that yats the yid will not take this insurection any more.

time runs monsanto has gm corn to grow.

chevron and esso have frack futures and water  payments already sown

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 14:17 | 4878683 Jack Burton
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The "South Front" Self Defense Force support page on Facebook offered up a post battle video yesterday. 8+ minutes long following a battle against a Ukrainian Malitia group called "Aidar Battalion" a newly created right sector Euro Maidan group. Well armed and equipped the Kiev battalion did not look so fit as the video showed the wounded, dead and destroyed APCs. Most telling were the prisoners being asked questions. Such as "Why are you here?" "You came here to kill people, and you thought nobody would fight you?" "Do you have children, why are you here and not home with them?" "You come to my homeland to kill and now what shall we do with you?"

In the end, the captured are very lucky because they will be kept for prisoner exchanges.

Prisoner answers as to why they were there centered around the pay. One said he was there on a contract of 3,000 Ukrianian currency units, whtever they are. Another said he was getting 2,500 a day. A third said he was drafted, "he was a liar."

This Aidar group was created because the regular Ukrainian troops have no desire to fight, the Kiev coup leaders are sending the Right Wing groups and Nazi groups east.

If anyone thinks war is cool, I suggest going to "South Front", scroll way down to yesterdays videos and watch it. One wounded dies on camera during the 8 minutes, his fate is not pretty. Nor did the Kiev Junta fascists taken prisoner look too happy. The Pro Russian fighters made sure to tell them how lucky they were, as Kiev fascists tend to kill wounded off and shoot prisoners.

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 17:08 | 4879240 sti100
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to: ..."Putin demands immediate end to the military operation that was launched by Kiev against pro-Russian separatist"......

The key to stop conflict in Ukraine is in Putin's hands. The irony is that it would not be difficult to Putin to achieve this if he would be really interested for it.

He should:

1.   stop military/personal support of militant separatist

2.   clearly state that Russia do not accept joining east Ukraine to Russia if not accomplished by political agreement ( militant separation is not the accepted way, separatists must demilitarize first ). (off course: This would not work if Russia makes only such official statements but in background continues playing opposite role )

Putin invoked the militant separatism by Crimea separation pattern. If Ukraine would try to stop that Crimea separation, it would be also a lot of blood there.

There is really no people on the Earth who could more efficiently stop the conflict than Putin...even without blood.

... the problem is that Putin wants east Ukraine for any price.

Fri, 06/20/2014 - 18:17 | 4879360 Mr_Vladimir_Putin
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If my fellow Russian citizen will suffer you will know my wrath.

le video of the beginning of the border shootings: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Vd3BpuSVkE

Do NOT follow this link or you will be banned from the site!