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The Dark Secrets and Ironies of Communists and Communism
The finance and economic literary worlds appear to be going through a kind of Marxist craze. Among other things, this crowd is lecturing the world on how capitalism is to blame for the world’s problems.
It’s pretty staggering when you consider that:
1) There is literally no example in history in which Marxism or Communism successfully increased wealth or standards of wellbeing.
2) There is literally no example in the natural world in which Marxism exists.
The biggest monsters in history were Marxists or Communists. Chairman Mao was not a champion of the people. He was a power-crazed, ignorant monster responsible for the death of 60 million people.
You could literally kill EVERY human being in the states of California and New York and STILL not measure up to Mao’s track record. Millions of people were enslaved both literally and spiritually by this man.
Then of course there is Stalin who oversaw the death of some 40 MILLION people due to his misguided and evil policies. People literally starved to death because of this monster of a human being.
Marxism and communism don’t work. They are totally contrary to human nature and basic human rights. The worst human rights offenders in history were communists. In fact, every example of Marxism in history shows that it had to be FORCED on people.
Heck, Marx himself was so unpopular during his lifetime that when he died only SEVEN people attended the funeral.
Marx, for all his rhetoric on the working class, never started a single business or created a single job in his life. He didn’t work. He just sat around and wrote books about things he never experienced in first person. Four of his seven children died as a direct result of poverty from his failure to provide for his family.
This is not conjecture; Marx knew his life choices directly contributed to his family’s suffering and the death of his children.
Guess who footed the bill for Marx’s moronic aspirations? A worker: someone who gave up his hopes of being a writer because it didn’t pay and went to work in the private sector. Marx’s writings were LITERALLY funded by the private sector.
This is the man revered by communists around the world: someone who let his family starve and die rather than get out of his seat and get a job. A man who literally lived off of others … while writing on and on about worker’s rights.
This is someone we’re supposed to admire and study? This is the man who came up with theories that would make the world a better place?
Give me a break.
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Those who look closely understand that it is not the 1% at the top stealing the icing off the cake, but the much smaller .1% or .01% that are skewing the numbers and causing the huge growth in inequality. Capitalism remains the most efficient ecomomic system.
I contend the biggest problem is the massive growth in crony capitalism and corruption in Washington. Much of this can be attributed to the ability of those in control "changing the rules" and positioning themselves to benefit at every corner. In our busy and complex world we have found it impossible to watch all the moving parts. More on this subject in the article below.
http://brucewilds.blogspot.com/2014/05/how-empires-collapse.html
This is a classic false arguement. Since crony capitalism is a failure, except for a tiny slice of society, the author makes a false assumption the people who want change want communism. That's total bullshit. What we want is real capitalism and free markets. We want the fraud to stop. We want the theft through the bogus tax codes and loopholes to end. If the oligarchs can't or won't police themselves, they are putting their form of capitalism at risk.
You can slag the "commies" all you want, but it took crony capitalism to really fuck up the world.
Echo chamber - we have never had "Capitalism", "Communism", or and other ISM - we have fuck you - pay me - point of gun - end of story - lazy fucks.
The National Socialist Workers Party (that would be nazis Koos) and the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (that would be commies Koos) have already done that.
I'm not seeing the word capitalist in there anywhere, I'm seeing state-monopoly-oligarchy-top-down control. Oh yeah, a Great Leap Forward was just a free enterprise venture in your head I'm sure...lol...so a few hundred million more lives and I'm sure the oligarchial technocrats within the various bureaucracies will get it right.
The only question you need to answer is, how many more have to live in misery and die to make it work?
The Nazi's hated the Marxists. The Nazi's were actually pretty right wing when you look at their writings. In fact Hitler labeled the Jewish/Masonic Marxism as the source of Germany's woes. In the end ofcourse, both are still two side of the same coin, imho.
Two warring brothers, one father.
I suppose its according to where ones perspective is when viewing a nazi being "to the right" of a communist but its a distinction without much of a difference to me, as it relates to how governments interact with us as individuals.
They were/are both about the individual being inferior to the state, the great unwashed masses being subservient to them/it or you get shipped off to a concentration camp or gulag to "get your mind right".
By virtue of this alone, they are both socialist and to the extreme left of me ;-)
+ 100 State vs the individual, that's the whole story.
Thats it in a nutshell Dan.
Socialists have never had any respect for us as individuals and the feeling is mutual as far as I'm concerned ;-)
Crony capitalism is communism. Crony capitalism begins and ends with government, a communist government. I am so tired of people defending communism or any socialist policy to that matter. Realize that all textbooks you ever read from were approved by the government and bankers.
Truth. Central Banking is central to communism. In fact it's the first and primary plank of communism... without it you could not have communism.
Progressive, graduated income taxes is another. Mandatory public schools is another.
When you put crony in front of it, it is no longer capitalism. In fact, it looks a lot more like communism-lite than capitalism.
A gun to your head is a gun to your head.
I hate "patriotic economists" and that's just what this biased author is all about.
Since when has either democracy or communism ever produced good economic policy? Please show me the evidence.
The Russians and Chinese have got their oligarchs and the US has got her own highly cosetted elite. No difference there, eh?
The above article is drivel.
American Democracy? Feeling proud?
Like Hell.
Firstly, it is a republic. In fact, in the beginning, it was much more a republic than it is now. Most people were able to make better lives for themselves. As the worm turned and it started becoming more of a democracy (the amendment that changed how Senators were selected is a good example) and so the downward spiral began. Heck, what is the differences between real pure democracy and real pure communism - can you name one?
No human is perfect. No system devised by humans and carried out by humans is perfect. None.
Let's ask a question. If you had choose between being plopped down in the middle of any period of communism or American history as a citizen of that country, which would you roll the dice on? Yeah, didn't think you'd pick communism.
You need to understand where this started and how it got to where it is. You also need to understand that this is America. We do have the power to change it. This country belongs to us, the people, not government or Obama. The reality is the choice we make.
The "Republic" was supposed to have States that represented the interests of the People. The "Republic" now has a single State to "represent" the interests of the people. The big difference is the 17th amendment which gutted the "Republic" in favor of the current Fascist State (USSA) where the states and the people no longer matter.
Plus an emphatic one.
But honestly, I really can go either way on the issue of "government laws", my way or our way.
I'm willing to give "our way" more time because of the indoctrination committed on our people over the last century but I reserve MY RIGHTS (as always) to disengage from them.
It keeps them on their toes, the fat fucks need the exercise ;-)
This article by fofoa pretty much blows Marx out of the water:
http://fofoa.blogspot.com/2010/07/debtors-and-savers.html
As long as one is being idealistic with other people's money it all works well.
Marxism works. Communism works. Liberalism works great.
You just need to define your goals.
Depopulation, pollution, and near universal poverty seem to be the principle goals.
Henry George not only began his own business, but he ran for may of New York City.
But he would have called bullshit on all your drivel, Phoenix Capitalist Pig.
You won't like it when I'm in charge. Oh, you didn't get the tweet? Sorry. Someday I (this is figuratively speaking so follow along) will be in charge. I will have absolute power of life and death over you and everyone else. I suggest you stop going on the internet and calling people names because someday it will come back to you.
Substitute any communist dictator you like for "I" and put yourself on the list because, frankly, everyone is on the list. The only question is how close to the bottom you are for this leader or that. With luck you might be allowed to lick someone's boots for a while.
The fact that you are on ZH trolling like this only proves you will be very near the bottom of the list. Condolences.
Is that Groucho or Harpo?
will all the rich white guys w/guilt give you a break? don't think so.
"Marx, for all his rhetoric on the working class, never started a single business or created a single job in his life."
Neither did David Hume, Adam Smith, John Stuart Mill, Eugene Bohm von Bawerk, Carl Menger, Ludwig von Mises, Nikolai Kondratiev, John Kenneth Galbraith, Murray Rothbard.... I could go on.
Hey.... maybe you're onto something!
Whoa, good thing I didn't pick on Ayn Rand or I'd be drummed out of the corp!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-Mnp6VAmEc
How many of those people advocated forcing people to (insert verb here) at the point of a gun?
You seem like a really genuine useful idiot.
Oh no! You just showed up Phoenix Capital as a complete and total douchetard!
Yup, capitalism kills, whether it is outright slavery, or its stand against the sanitation movement of the late 1800s which greatly improved the quality of life and mortality rates, especially since it was those sleazy, thieving capitalist pigs who drove people off their land (and autonomy of life styles which they preferred) into their crappy cities and towns so they would be forced to work in their factories, and those horrendous living conditions in the cities greatly increased disease and poor living conditions, leading to early deaths.
Communism IS slavery.
Consider yourself pwned fanboy.
"Oh no! You just showed up Phoenix Capital as a complete and total douchetard!"
Fish in a barrel, or as the Russians would say: piece of pie.
Who knew spewing half-truths would kill fish in a barrel? Who knew piece of pie is from Hogan's Heros?
You poor pathetic drooling simp. I must assume that you never read a single testimony about the closest to success Marxist experiment in the USSR. You can start with the Gulag Archipelago, and work back from there.
Without Capitalists we'd all be dead?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPOtQkSiCk8
how did Capitalism survive without "Communism"? ("Too Big to Fail.")
"Capitalism" is a fraud. It only exists because they money is both worthless and a reserve currency at the same time. "Everything else is just a difference between a bid and an ask." Or "abandonment" as the case may be.
Did "Capitalism" care about Detroit? bwhahahahahahaha. When the shit hit the fan they went cryin' to their mama in Washington DC. "This was their system that they created." Outsourcing, high frequency trading, QE. None of these things are in the interest of anything other than total anarchy.
The irony is that what is starting the fall...as with 2008...is the collapse in prices, not an "inflation." Default. "Debt repudiation." Amazingly some of the most explosive income growth is in the USA. "Yet all that matters with that is more debt as well."
North Dakota needs to cap those flares...the sooner the better. That can only be done by the Government. Capitalism is all about waste and fraud. That's what they call "pricing power."
What is touted as capitalism today is a fraud. Capitalism does not exist except in black markets today.
I think your confusing Capitalism with Facism.
There was a most excellent book which thorough debunks and disproves all the crapola about capitalism and quality of life, etc., especially where healthcare, and the history of health, is concerned.
Published in 2010 by the Socialist Register, and titled: Morbid Symptons.
Worth a read by people who can actually read.
Detroit was doing fine before the federal government decided they knew more about building cars than the people who had been doing it all their life. You should look into how new safety, anti pollution and gas mileage rules were made in the sixties and seventies, and the effect they had on Detroit.
The rules didn't stop management from focusing on pickups and SUVs even as late as 10 years ago.
Detroit was doing fine before the riots. Then the white people left and the left decided that the rioters needed more free shit.
Detroit was doing fine before unions and management decided to bloat up the companies' pension debts and middle management structure.
Maybe you should elaborate or are you being sarcastic? I am no fan of government meddling, but what you say seems to be a stretch. Don't Honda, Toyota, and Hyundai all need to follow the same guidelines for the cars they sell in the US?
Without the banksters' covert backing of the Bolsheviks, then nothing in the history of the debates over these bullshit labels would ever have been the same!
Given the state of 19th Century science, there was some merit in the original scientific Marxism, however the messianic Marxism that was supposed to justify "communism" was another sort of false flag attack run by the banksters, to accomplish multiple objectives, NONE of which had anything to do with the alleged ideals in "communism" nor "socialism" etc. ...
The basic human realities are ALWAYS organized lies operating robberies. All of the "isms" operate inside of that context, which, of course, they deny and ignore, as is consistent in a paradoxical way. The degree of scientific truth that was present in the original Marxism ended up working for much bigger lies, which deliberately misappropriated that, in order to discredit it.
In my view, this kind of article above does the same old 90% correct analysis of the matter at hand, which ends in utterly mistaken ways. The ONLY rules which actually apply to politics are those of organized crime, for which reasons all of the various debates about "isms" tend to be bogus. That is especially the case because the historically best organized gangs of criminals ended up being the most wealthy and powerful people, who controlled the opposition groups by differentially funding them.
RM - You nailed it buddy. But as people do relate to 'isms' my observation of the general cycle of man is this:
Calitalism, Fascism, Communism. Or minor robbery, major robbery, robbery to keep roads up at point of gun or DIE. Increasingly forced labor to liberation in other words.
Then innovation and new tools that reflect our evolutionary advancement emerge that usurps the prior.
Release hell of the Roman catipults were replaced by the trebuche and better spy networks. Nuclear weapons, satellites and digital spying will be replaced by quantum weapons technologies beyond the control of governments. We have improved as a species and less cruel in human exploitation. We are still monkeys with tools. However -
I do believe we are very near the end of our human evolution though but history seems replete with examples of 1/3 dying in empire, city-state etc. before the transition. Thus, hedge accordingly.
Raging Debate, while I agreed with your overview, I do NOT know how to "hedge accordingly."
P.S.
I belatedly replied to you on:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-06-21/shark-has-jumped-shark
I liked the title of that article: "The Shark Has Jumped the Shark" because that indicates 1, 2, 3, many ... sharks jumping sharks, towards the transformations of these human systems of entropic pumping of energy, of more entropic pumping of energy, which currently appears headed towards infinity! As many have suggested, any more realized, practical technologies based upon quantum mechanics (than the ones we already have), are way TOO mind-boggling to contemplate the full consequences of!
HOW MUCH LONGER CAN TECHNOLOGIES KEEP DEVELOPING AT EXPONENTIAL RATES ??? (While human psychology and political systems continue to try to change the minimum possible, in order to stay the same.)
RM - A consistent number of popularions dying by government is 1/3 or less. Read estimates of nuclear war with ready loaded warheads.
The death toll mainly happens by disruption in food chain not nuclear winter, radiation or blast. 1/3 dead. You can live off the land indefinately with a few simple tools but the unprepared will die based on lack of knowledge. Load them all for launch ready 2/3 dead.
Hedge accordingly means enough resources to eat, purify water, have crude shelter and fire and defend against the unprepared looters for at least 3 months until they do not have the caloric intake to reach you and storm your supplies.
People say "I dont want to live in that world!". Reality check, this isnt the time of the Great Library where all the information is destroyed in one big conflaguration. Even if/when such a catastrophe occurs you would have running power and electricity within five years and markets within a decade.
Quantum weapons will be used in the next world war. Does an enemy create a black hole that destroys the entire earth including themselves? Same reason why city-buster nukes of 20 megatons no longer exist.
All the same, hedging is good as Ben Franklin said "better to have it and not need it then need it and not have it." Living in fear sucks and I don't do it but ignoring probabilities is just plain stupid. Look at GW Bush and his couple hundred acres next to a military base in Panama for an example. He said "this suckers goimg down!" He actually may be wrong but is shrewd enough to hedge against probabilities that eventually become realities.
@radical Marijuana
Very cogently said, where can we get that brand of weed?
Sorry, Chandos, but getting that brand of weed is a Catch 22 problem, because you need a time machine to get it, but you first you need that time machine, to make that time machine, to be able to go get that brand of weed.
(Unfortunately, I have forgotten where I put mine.)
Now that's a thumbnail of contemporary history.
Unlike you, Marx was a scholar. Unlike you, Marx avoided logical fallacies. However, you do have an incredible grasp of what passes for the current wisdom.
Criticism of China's Mao is unquestionably valid. But unrelated to Marxism - which Mao never practiced.
No mention that Trotsky stood opposed to communism being "FORCED" on anyone. At least until his exile in 1928.
Henry - Sure Mao and Stalin practiced it. Those that opposed were murdered with extreme prejuidace. Speaking of Russians after the failed revolution and Communism they figured out to pretend to work, give a couple hours labor a day, after all there was no opportunity to benefit and modern revolutions fail.
Trotsky, like Napoleon learned to late how the world really operates with financiers that hold no national loyalty to anyone. Just walk off in these times and follow the path of Budda or capitulate and make bank. Those are the ugly choices in these cycles. But one can find and deliver some partial vakue to the rest of our species in either choice.
Straw men engaged in battle over dust.