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Russia Puts Troops In Central Region On Combat-Ready Alert After Launch Of Massive Surprise Drill - Video

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So much for the Ukraine ultimatum.

As we reported yesterday, at the same time as Ukraine president Poroshenko implemented a unilateral "ceasefire" proposal which was said to have been accepted by Russia only for Russia to roundly dismiss it saying it sees the Ukraine step an "ultimatum", alleged Ukraine gunmen shelled a border crossing on Russian territory near the town of Rostov.

What, however, made clear that no Ukraine civil war de-escalation is coming, especially not on Kiev's terms, were reports that overnight pro-Russia separatists, which Ukraine and NATO now consistently say are being reinforced by Russia, something the Kremlin is denying, retaliated in a mirror image of yesterday's shelling, attacking Ukrainian posts on the border with Russia and a military base, and tried to storm an airforce base, according to Reuters.

The fresh action came just hours after the start of a ceasefire at 10 p.m. on Friday by Ukrainian forces, ordered by President Petro Poroshenko as part of his plan to end the rebel insurgency in the east of the country.


A government forces spokesman said the separatists used mortars and sniper fire to attack Ukrainian posts at Izvareno and Uspenka on the border, wounding nine Ukrainian officers.


In other incidents, rebels with big caliber machine guns and grenade-launchers attacked a Ukrainian military position at Avdiyivka, near the main regional town of Donetsk, as well as a Ukrainian post at Kreminna.

As was clearly obvious from the beginning, there go any attempts at de-escalation.

But what is most surprising, is what happened next.

As Interfax reported a few hours ago, cited by Voice of Russia, Putin once again punked everyone, and certainly western ambitions for "peace" on its terms, when over 65,000 military servicemen and about 5,500 items of weapons and military hardware were unleashed in the latest surprise snap military drill in Russia, or as Valery Gerasimov, the chief of staff of the Russian armed forces called it an ongoing comprehensive surprise combat readiness test of the Russian Central Military District forces.

"Over 65,000 troops, about 5,500 weapon units and vehicles, over 180 planes, and about 60 helicopters will be involved in the test," Gerasimov said at a conference with the Russian Defense Ministry command staff on Saturday." The maneuvers are designed to test the training level of the troops in performing their duties through shooting practice, control exercises, the use of aircraft and airborne drops, Gerasimov said, Interfax reports.

RT further reports that all Russian forces in Siberia, the Urals and beyond have been put on combat-ready alert, Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu said after President Putin ordered surprise drills.

Russia’s troops in the Central Military District have been put on alert to verify troops’ combat-readiness during massive war games of all branches of the armed forces. The exercises involve the relocation of military personnel and hardware, firing training and complex inspections.

In accordance with president’s order, today starting from 11:00 Moscow time [07:00 GMT] all troops of the Central Military District have been placed in a state of full combat readiness," Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu said at staff meeting.

The drills will last for a week, from June 21 through 28, Shoigu said.

Up to 65,000 troops, along with 5,500 military vehicles, 180 airplanes and 60 helicopters will participate in the drills, Chief of the General Staff Valery Gerasimov said, Interfax reported.

During the first 24 hours, the troops’ readiness for immediate deployment on a combat mission will be checked.

After that, military units will switch to tactical training, marching in battle formation to firing ranges for practice, Shoigu said.

Air Force units in the district will relocate planes to operational airfields to check their readiness for action in new locations. In particular, the 98th Airborne Division will be relocated from the Ivanovo Region of the Volga Federal District to the Urals for paratrooper jump exercises at the Chebarkul firing range. The minister specifically ordered units to avoid any possible damage to civilian installations and infrastructure during the military drills, and to ensure the safety of military personnel, arms and hardware.

The June 21-28 drill is the second stage of general exercises in the Central Military District, Shoigu said. A special commission has already verified the general situation in the district and now the war games will give the picture of combat readiness of the troops stationed on a swathe of huge territory from the Volga River through the Urals Mountains to Siberia, and from the Kara Sea in the Arctic to the steppe on Russia’s southern border with Kazakhstan.

Shoigu said that the 28th and 35th Motorized Brigades began the training June 20, when both units were put on alert ahead of the rest of the military forces in the region.

The Russian army has staged a number of military drills this year. The most recent exercises took place less than a fortnight ago, when on June 10 the Russian military launched drills by its assault forces in the enclave of Kaliningrad in answer to the double war games being conducted by joint NATO forces on the territory of the three Baltic States.

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Ukraine was not happy: the country's foreign ministry promptly said that military activity with unclear task near Ukrainian border “doesn’t help to normalize the situation” and to implement peaceful initiatives. It added that the concentration of Russian armed forces near Ukrainian border causes "special concern in light of numerous” incidents of supply of weapons to militants in Luhansk and Donetsk regions from Russian territories."

Needless to say, Putin couldn't care less about the optics of the surprise drill, or if Ukraine's feelings were hurt.  Because just like that, whatever strategy the top brass from the Pentagon, CIA and to a lesser extent, Kiev, were planning on implementing has gone up in flame. Because what the drill really is, is a pretext for Russia to relocate troops on its territory under the watchful eye of countless US spy satellites.

So the next time NATO or Kerry slams Putin for once again piling troops at location X, Russia now has a 1 week alibi: "it was all just part of the drill."

A video of today's surprise military drill.


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Sat, 06/21/2014 - 09:31 | 4880313 i-dog
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This should end well.

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 09:35 | 4880318 Tao 4 the Show
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Wow. How far in are the willing to go? And then with Syria/Iran?

The first round with Crimea was unlikely to be contested, but it looks like the stakes are rising.

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 09:47 | 4880334 jbvtme
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what kind of life do you leave to join the military? the noise, dirt, violence, destruction, death, incoherance, madness...

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 10:02 | 4880359 BlindMonkey
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Yeah. That is true. But the stories are awesome.

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 10:31 | 4880390 TeamDepends
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Hey US military members:  The time for mutiny is now.  Come home, shore up our borders (which is what your main function is) and remove the grifters in the White House.  How 'bout that for some hope and change!

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 10:59 | 4880447 thamnosma
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It's very disturbing that what you suggest seems like a viable alternative to what's going on.

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 12:32 | 4880610 max2205
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Napalm in the morning!  I love the smell

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 12:59 | 4880668 DoChenRollingBearing
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If I am understanding the article correctly, most of the Russian military exercise is in (or even East of) the Urals.  That is fairly far away from Ukraine.

What's the big deal?  Our military drills all the time.

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 15:14 | 4880942 COSMOS
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"Ukraine was not happy: the country's foreign ministry promptly said that military activity with unclear task near Ukrainian border “doesn’t help to normalize the situation” and to implement peaceful initiatives."

LOL so their military maneuvers on Russias borders with the objective of killing ethnic Russian people living in Ukraine's bogus borders made up by Communist Ukrainians in charge of the Politburo is OK??? And on top of that using western Mercenaries from NATO countries.

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 17:06 | 4881092 Manthong
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 "noise, dirt, violence, destruction, death, incoherance, madness"

I suggest that one should not omit gun grease from that equation.

.. and synthetic in the winter.. especially there.

..and I also submit that the task is perfectly clear.

..get US the F' out of there.

Communist Ukrainians (?).. they are the nice ones.. it is the Nazi Fascist maniacs and their fony fed/eu funding that are the f'n problem right now. 

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 18:13 | 4881281 economics9698
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When you are in the military desertion is not a option.  You do whatever the boss wants.  I like the military part of the military, just hated the fucking politically correct bull shit.

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 15:26 | 4880966 Newsboy
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"Drills" turned into 9/11 and the London bombings.

With all the troops immediately combat ready, checked out on the jumps and marksmanship, outfitted, in place, in motion, there is an option purchased on immediate and overwhelming blitzkrieg, to borrow the term of another...

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 17:03 | 4881165 Manthong
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ah.. yes.. Cheney

shock and awe?

Sun, 06/22/2014 - 00:28 | 4882005 Rootin' for Putin
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Its not a big deal at all, unless you have an agenda to push in the media and most of your audience has no idea that the drills are no where near the ukraine.  They just need to get the words, russia, military, buildup, activity all into a nice sentence and let the honey boo boo watching morons draw their own conclusion.

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 14:53 | 4880899 bonin006
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Even more disturbing that it seems like the only possible solution. (but no solution if it stops at the white house)

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 11:21 | 4880473 msmith9962
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I've heard that generals are getting swapped out every 2 years so that no loyalty gets built up and they dont get any ideas.

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 11:44 | 4880519 rubiconsolutions
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How about not encouraging your children to join the military in the first place? And mutiny, you're kidding right? Have you been to a country after a coup? I have, several, and it isn't pleasant. Here's what you could expect if the military did decide to "mutiny"...

  1. Wage and price controls
  2. Markets tanking and the dollar collapsing
  3. Banking restrictions
  4. Travel restrictions
  5. Likely shortages of food and fuel, long lines for both
  6. At least some limited martial law
  7. Military tribunals for those of us who oppose military rule

And where exactly would you draw the line? I mean, it isn't only the executive branch but the legislative and judicial who are out of control. Do you overthrow those too? How would the military reinstitute civilain control and when? Do you really think that once the military seizes control that they will just willingly give it up?

Think about it pal. A military coup would be the final nail in the coffin. It's not pretty now but under the military it would be far, far worse. 

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 11:58 | 4880540 TheReplacement
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I think you are exactly right.  Most of the brass have at least one advanced degree from prestigeous Ivy or near-Ivy league schools.  They have been taught that centralization is best.  A military coup would almost certainly lead to a dictatorship far more violent and intolerant that what we have right now.

That is not to say that what we have right now is good or that it isn't devolving into just such a violent dictatorship but we aren't quite there yet.  The only real viable alternative is for a civilian rebellion to restore the rights and liberties of all under rule of law.  Even that will not be perfect but it will be more perfect than any other option known to man.

Edit:  To drive it home - If you count on the military to set you free you will be disappointed.  Only you can set you free.

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 12:18 | 4880581 TheMeatTrapper
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There is no way the United States military could occupy and enforce martial law on this country. A coup in the US <> a coup in Africa. 

A military coup could decapitate the current power structure and allow the nation 90 days to hold fresh elections at the State level to send a new crop to Washington to try again.

I would look forward to seeing Harry Reid put on trial alongside John McCain and Eric Holder. 

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 13:10 | 4880690 spinone
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Correct MeatTrapper.  There are about 1 million military and federal law enforcement in the continental USA, and 1 million state and local law enforcement, for a total of 2 million.  There are about 130 million civilian men of working age in the USA, and 32 percent of American households have a gun.  Thats about 40 million men of working age with a gun in the household. If only 1% of them choose to fight, thats 4 million. 

All that said, it will never happen.

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 13:35 | 4880741 Not Too Important
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Obama/Hillary needs Brown Shirts, and lots of them. They're now coming across the southern border, along with the kids. MS-13 is being paid very well to get those kids here safely, along with the Mexican cartels, and a lot of MS-13 is coming in with them. A lot of those kids will join MS-13 in a short enough timeline.

The US government is establishing a significant economic relationship with some of the most violent gangs on the planet (well, we all know this started a long time ago). Shut the country down, give MS-13 guns and food (and the obligatory brown shirts and knee-high boots) and there's your DHS 'civilian' army. They'll work wonders in the urban cities, while the rural areas are droned into submission.


Sat, 06/21/2014 - 15:16 | 4880948 11b40
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Paraoid & delusional much?

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 15:51 | 4881018 Not Too Important
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'Report: 'Undocumented Immigrants' Will Be Able to 'Join the Military''

"Pentagon officials have approved a policy that would allow a limited group of undocumented young people who came to the U.S. as children to enlist in the military, opening up a path for them to eventually become citizens, The Huffington Post has learned," reports the liberal website.

The move, which has not been formally announced by the Obama administration, would affect some of the roughly 550,000 undocumented young people granted the ability to remain in the country under the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program, many of whom have pled with the government to allow them to enlist."


They will have their Brown Shirts, one way or the other. Preferably both.

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 14:48 | 4880888 sessinpo
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TheMeatTrapper    There is no way the United States military could occupy and enforce martial law on this country.


spinone     Correct MeatTrapper.  There are about 1 million military and federal law enforcement in the continental USA, and 1 million state and local law enforcement, for a total of 2 million.  There are about 130 million civilian men of working age in the USA, and 32 percent of American households have a gun.


This is horrible simplistic thinking. While the US citizenry may have an advantage in rural areas. the military would dominate urban areas easily. Then it is a matter of starvation since traditional supplies would be cut off. of you 40% of goun owners, most have no survival skills. But they have families they have to support.

I have guns, stock pile of ammo, some food supplies. I could head for the hills today. I give myself less then 50% chance.

And militias better beware and take a lesson from tea party. Organize but don't have an organization. Once you gather, you are all sitting ducks.

Sun, 06/22/2014 - 06:16 | 4882276 perchprism
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"Thats about 40 million men of working age with a gun in the household. If only 1% of them choose to fight, thats 4 million".


1% of 40,000,000 is 400,000. 



Sat, 06/28/2014 - 18:53 | 4906047 spinone
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Awww crap, we're fucked

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 13:16 | 4880700 Al Huxley
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I would look forward to having sex with Kate Upton too - which has about the same probability of happening.

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 12:23 | 4880593 ChiangMai
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"... The only real viable alternative is for a civilian rebellion to restore the rights and liberties of all under rule of law..."

Sounds about right to me.

How about a civilian rebellion in which the military stands down (yes, I'm dreaming, perhaps) when ordered by the psychopaths in power to stomp it out ( as many did in Ukraine, incidentally).

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 16:01 | 4881051 rtalcott
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Most of the brass have at least one advanced degree from prestigeous Ivy or near-Ivy league schools.

Yeah but...they areNOT real's a nice vacation for them and at the end they get a degree....gubbermint cash for a piece of paper.

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 12:48 | 4880622 psychobilly
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"A military coup would be the final nail in the coffin."

That nail has already been driven home.  Twice, to hammer the point home and make sure the lower orders know who their Daddy is.

One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them,
One Ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 12:37 | 4880626 TeamDepends
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9th Rule:  If someone addresses you as "pal", it is a verbal slap in the face.  Proceed accordingly.

First of all, the coup happened six years ago.  Did you miss it?  There is no way Barry is eligible to be POTUS.  Second, each serviceman must swear to uphold the US Constitution.  We are not (yet) a banana republic.  They would probably install Ron Paul as interim President as he is extremely popular amongst all branches of the military, and there really is nobody else who is qualified.  Everything on your list of expectations is either here now or is right around the corner.  There are no easy answers for us now, our situation is literally FUBAR.  Of course we should sing Kumbaya and discourage our children from joining the military but it's a little late for that, don't ya think?


Sat, 06/21/2014 - 12:43 | 4880635 psychobilly
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"First of all, the coup happened six years ago."

Nope.  First in 1861 (America's Caesar), and again in 1963.

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 13:01 | 4880672 TeamDepends
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coup d'état

noun \?kü-(?)d?-?tä, ?kü-(?)d?-?, -d?-\

: a sudden attempt by a small group of people to take over the government usually through violence

Coups do not always involve the assassination of a standing leader. 

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 13:12 | 4880687 psychobilly
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Nope.  There was no violent transition 6 years ago.  It was as smooth as silk.  The Obushma agenda for a "Clean Break" and "Securing The Realm" (Perle, et al.) has been rolling uninterupted since 2001.

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 13:14 | 4880697 TeamDepends
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Yep.  "....USUALLY through violence"  Also, how many people were threatened with violence who knew the sordid details of Barry's past?  Let's ask the members of the Down Low Club in Barry's church....

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 13:30 | 4880726 psychobilly
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I don't care.  Your cherished Republic was lost over a century ago.  Your National Security State has been firmly in control of things since the '63 coup.  Don't kid yourself. 

In reality, the whole thing has been a swindle from 1787, when a small group of men met in secret and exceeded their mandate by scrapping the entire Articles of Confederation.  If we are widening the definition of a coup to include one that happens non-violently, then that was the first coup, because they certainly betrayed the original vision.  Unsurprisingly, tax burdens quickly exceeded those that were imposed while living under a King, and the federal government created by those traitors was violating the very consitution that they were supposed to uphold and protect.

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 13:46 | 4880765 magnetosphere
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all great nations are founded and run by a tiny group of elite people who propagandize the masses.  we have democracy, the brits carried the white man's burden, the nazis were the master race, the bolsheviks were heroes of socialist equality, the chinese have the mandate of heaven, the muslims have allah on their side

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 15:20 | 4880945 psychobilly
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"all great nations are founded and run by a tiny group of elite people who propagandize the masses."

A good case for getting rid of nations.  And voting.  Voters are loathsome; imagining they have some right to rifle through your pockets and control your life.  Just like a King or an elite group of oligarchs.  Whether voters or a King, it all boils down to "give me what I want or I'll kill you."  Such a nice, moral philosophy.

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 16:46 | 4881130 magnetosphere
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if you want anarchy, you can have it, so long as you are able to conquer your enemies and force them to acknowledge your sway

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 14:45 | 4880879 Kirk2NCC1701
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We had a Velvet Coup, presented in plain sight and prime time, thanks to the MSM.

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 15:24 | 4880962 TeamDepends
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Which, let's face it, is far and away the most boring kind.  But when you have goals such as removing beauty from art what can you expect?

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 13:28 | 4880702 magnetosphere
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are you aware that the united states was founded by a bunch of supwealthy white dudes for their own benefit?  for example, voting was restricted to property owning white males.  quel surprise!  just who do you think was at the continental congress? 

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 13:39 | 4880749 Not Too Important
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"First Lady Michelle Obama reminded attendees of a naturalization ceremony Wednesday that the Founding Fathers weren’t born in America.

The ceremony for 50 new U.S. citizens was held at the National Archives in Washington, D.C.

“It’s amazing that just a few feet from here where I’m standing are the signatures of the 56 Founders who put their names on a Declaration that changed the course of history,” she said during her speech, referring to the Declaration of Independence. “And like the 50 of you, none of them were born American – they became American.”"

(Not really, the vast majority of the Founding Fathers were born in America)

Don't you watch CNN? Get with the Common Core program!

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 13:48 | 4880767 TeamDepends
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Commies have no use for facts or truth, only the cause matters.

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 17:11 | 4881184 11b40
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Like neocons?

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 18:02 | 4881264 Not Too Important
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Neo-cons are the children of Communists that fled Stalin, pretty much Trotskyite Jews, and their commie sympathizers.

It does pay very well, look at where they work and what they're allowed to do on the world stage.

They all aspire to kill more innocent people than Stalin and Mao did. Some kind of Communist ego thing. And they're well on their way.

It is interesting to see the difference between the Trotskyites and the Stalinist Communists. Look it up if you have some time, it's very enlightening.

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 13:51 | 4880776 magnetosphere
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i check cnn once every couple years to find out the party line and typically find such gems as "man bites dog, hilarity ensues"

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 13:49 | 4880769 NickVegas
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Sat, 06/21/2014 - 15:37 | 4880992 rubiconsolutions
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"Second, each serviceman must swear to uphold the US Constitution."

That gives me a warm and fuzzy feeling. The constitution is a feckless long dead screed. It allows TSA to gate rape tens of thousands of people daily. It allows (by way of the 16th amendment and Article 1, Section 8) the government to steal with an immoral direct taxation scheme. It allows (according to the SCOTUS) the government to control the healthcare of Americans. If your defense of the military is that they "must swear to uphold the US constitution" then you are saying they must uphold a document which gives pretty much unbridled power to the state. Have you read the damned thing? Read it in its entirety, not just the first ten amendments. If you read it you'll see that 95% of the words are devoted to what government can, shall and must do while a mere 5% are devoted to the rights of the individual. To paraphrase Spooner - either the constitution allows the government we now have or is powerless to prevent it. In any case its worthless. The military would do nothing, absolutely nothing to improve an already dismal situation. As far as your analysis that they would install Ron Paul I had to laugh out loud at that one. Ron Paul would dismantle about 80% of the military-industrial complex which would not sit well with the joint chiefs. You obviously haven't read any of his books because while some military folks admire him the leadership would find themselves out of a job. 


Sat, 06/21/2014 - 17:26 | 4881212 Xibalba
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All of this has or will take place.  But under the guise of 'For your safety', "To protect your freedoms',....etc.

DHS is on it!    

Sun, 06/22/2014 - 02:29 | 4882146 StychoKiller
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There's at least 535 (+9) more idjuts to send to prison as well!

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 18:07 | 4881271 hungarianboy
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" Just hours after fighting erupted on both sides of the Ukraine-Russian border"

This means there is war now and they're shooting?

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 10:28 | 4880387 wisefool
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The IRS might be hiring IT folks soon.

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 15:52 | 4881021 SimplePrinciple
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Only those experienced in coding Obamacare enrollment.

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 12:55 | 4880661 barre-de-rire
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all what is already in tv show.

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 11:12 | 4880339 y3maxx
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Obama is such a "Patsy", rumours abound of "Putin" readying a "Trojan" Golf Cart to be wheeled and placed at the Gates of Washington.

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 09:32 | 4880316 Jano
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Relief for embattled Federalists.

Bless the God!

But Putin has to hit the center of all this bad : Washington, Tel-aviv Brusseles.

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 09:50 | 4880343 Winston Churchill
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The federalist's overran a Uke military depot

Drove off with 280+ tanks ,180+ BMP's, plus heavy artillery.

They are now armed as well as the Ukes.

Putin is making it clear to NATO, not to intervene.

The Federalists can now finish this themselves.

Another fine mess for Obozo to get out off..

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 10:03 | 4880362 MeMongo
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Not to worry!! President Urkel will simply tweet out some selfies of him and crew enjoying a nice super soaker party with jayz and the lot. This in turn will cause all of our enemies to piss themselves while laughing hysterically, and we simply slide in from the rear and all the time:-)

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 10:04 | 4880363 BlindMonkey
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I read that. That is such a monstrous cache of gear that it is hard to believe. It is almost like a real life battlefield4 where everybody can drive, fly and shoot everything.

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 10:24 | 4880384 Winston Churchill
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Just take notes, I feel we may need to adopt the same tactics at some

point not too distant.

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 11:21 | 4880475 Bearwagon
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You mean we need to pull off a racket at some point not to distant?! You are shirley right ...

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 18:06 | 4881270 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Just take notes, I feel we may need to adopt the same tactics at some point not too distant.

As an aside, how many red flags, blinking lights, and klaxons do you think would be triggered by a google search for "DHS armory locations"?

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 10:40 | 4880397 Volkodav
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The T64B's were there..I know this from several sources year ago before Maidan/Kyiv coup..

several hectares of iron but mothballed... neglected from lack of maintenance.


Sat, 06/21/2014 - 12:01 | 4880547 TheReplacement
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Do you know where the nearest depot is to where you live?  This isn't a movie or a video game.  This is real life.  Wake up.  Get ready.

Sun, 06/22/2014 - 06:55 | 4882286 August
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>>>That is such a monstrous cache of gear that it is hard to believe.

Per The Saker, that positive report is in error; the Ukie base/cache was attacked, but the attack failed to secure the gear for the Good Guys.  IMHO the original, erroneous, report may have been intended as a cover story to explain why the Good Guys have an increasing quantity and quality of war materiel, without a source they can plausibly point to.  

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 10:29 | 4880388 Volkodav
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Not confirmed and my understanding has been, T64B's there Artemivsk base all mothballed, canibalized

or other, not operable in real...

but also saw Donbass asking for tank mechanics...if this message was genuine??

I don't think will see 280 tanks put forth from there...



Sat, 06/21/2014 - 10:32 | 4880395 Winston Churchill
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I think your wrong.Video of them deploying is up at Veterans today site.

Don't look mothballed to me.

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 10:46 | 4880424 Winston Churchill
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Sat, 06/21/2014 - 11:54 | 4880535 Volkodav
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That is not 200 plus tanks..

That is small unit and though there is debate where it originated from...Ukies say crossed border..

Russia isn't saying nothing...

that column did not originate from consensus from some knowledgable ex tanker guys following this closely...

Same agree that from Artemivsk can be repaired/pieced together some few tanks, but that's all.

Some side debates, but that looks enough


Sat, 06/21/2014 - 12:10 | 4880566 Winston Churchill
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You do not run tanks on city streets, unless they are enemy streets.

Who knows at this point, the fog of war is a pea souper right now.

Maybe the story was put out on ANNA to cover RF deployment on the field.

Tommorrow is very symbolic on the Russian calendar, and isn't today the anniversary of

operation barbarosa. Russian humor.


Sat, 06/21/2014 - 14:05 | 4880799 sushi
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More importantly June 22nd is the anniversay of the start of Operation Bagration which destroyed a Wehrmacht Army Group and drove the fascists from the areas of the Donbass which are today being contested.

Once you put an Airborned Rgt in the air, the planes can turn on a dime and make a drop at who knows where.

My you live in intersting times.

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 15:03 | 4880918 Lin S
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The Nazis were not in Donbas in 1944.  They'd been driven out of there during the autumn of 1943.

Bagration drove them out of western Ukraine, back into central Poland.

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 15:26 | 4880965 sushi
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You are correct. I had the phase lines wrong.

Still Bagration is still viewed in Russia as an exemplary application of maskirovka and deep penetration tactics.

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 12:10 | 4880567 TheReplacement
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Perhaps they can only manage to piece together a few tanks but considering they are using irregular infantry to hold off and even mount attacks on the Ukraine military already, a few tanks could make a big difference.

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 12:14 | 4880574 CrashisOptimistic
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Enemy tanks would be an obvious target for fighter aircraft.   We haven't heard of any recent strikes on such.

Doesn't seen likely, and have no doubt Kiev has full US satellite recon.

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 12:53 | 4880657 ChiangMai
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I find Veterans Today posts to be interesting and provocative — but I've also come across multiple claims that virtually nothing that appears on the site is credible.

I'd be very interested — and perhaps others as well —  in ZH-ers using this comment for an up / down vote on whether Veterans Today has any credibility.

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 13:43 | 4880757 Not Too Important
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I think the definition of Veteran's Today is 'limited hangout'.

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 14:59 | 4880913 Lin S
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I've heard that term before: "limited hangout."

What's the meaning?

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 15:59 | 4881045 Not Too Important
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"A limited hangout, or partial hangout, is a public relations or propaganda technique that involves the release of previously hidden information in order to prevent a greater exposure of more important details.

It takes the form of deception, misdirection, or coverup often associated with intelligence agencies involving a release or "mea culpa" type of confession of only part of a set of previously hidden sensitive information, that establishes credibility for the one releasing the information who by the very act of confession appears to be "coming clean" and acting with integrity; but in actuality, by withholding key facts, is protecting a deeper operation and those who could be exposed if the whole truth came out. In effect, if an array of offenses or misdeeds is suspected, this confession admits to a lesser offense while covering up the greater ones.

A limited hangout typically is a response to lower the pressure felt from inquisitive investigators pursuing clues that threaten to expose everything, and the disclosure is often combined with red herrings or propaganda elements that lead to false trails, distractions, or ideological disinformation; thus allowing covert or criminal elements to continue in their improper activities."


And I wouldn't trust Wikipedia for an honest answer on this, either.

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 16:42 | 4881121 Lin S
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Many thanks!!

Sun, 06/22/2014 - 02:40 | 4882158 Volkodav
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Report was false.

I have good sources. Air Forces

Now is open knowledge on several blogs...I am told Saker also, inside article and or comments.

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 14:26 | 4880844 Lin S
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T-64s or T-80s?  Are Ukrainian T-64s operable in significant numbers?

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 10:50 | 4880370 Millivanilli
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Obama tells Ukraine to maintain its territorial integrity- Keep Russians out.

Back in America, Mexican toddlers crawl over the border unimpeded.


Obama tells Russia to not protect ethnic Russians in Ukraine.

Obama sends troops to Iraq to protect American lives and "interests-whatever the fuck they want"


Obama tells Russia not to arm seperatists.

Obama sells  arms to the very enemy he is now fighting in Iraq as well as anyone with two nickles to rub together. 


Obama and the west portray Putin as a blood thirsty neo Hitler.

Meanwhile they have attacked or destabilized Ukraine, Libya, Syria, Afghanistan, Iraq, Egypt, and Iran, that we know about.

A couple facts- Ukraine has used rockets and incendiary devices on the east.  The recent pipeline explosion was not an accident, either.

Putin is pretty much telling Obama, GO FUCK YOURSELF.  I concur.  



In fact, the main stream media can FUCK THEMSELVES too.   They started by bitching about the Russian olympics like complete douches, because they had to  kick off the Ukraine Agenda.  

One day, I hope the hang for treason, like the fascists of WWII Italy and Germany.   




Sat, 06/21/2014 - 10:56 | 4880441 kowalli
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Meanwhile they have attacked or destabilized Ukraine, Libya, Syria, Afghanistan, Iraq, Egypt,Turkey,Brazil,Venezuela,Taiwan,Nigeria,Georgia and more countries, but they are not so obvious (full control of 30+ like Australia - 51th state of America)

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 11:00 | 4880448 BorisTheBlade
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Do as I say, not as I do.

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 12:11 | 4880569 TheReplacement
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Go to hell NSA.

El Fixed

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 13:44 | 4880760 noless
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re: border with Mexico.

How could you even tell where they were from? A Nicaraguan tribe with only a few thousand native speakers of the language, which sounds oddly similar to Arabic.

Just throwin that out there.

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 09:34 | 4880319 ziggy59
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Sounds like a game of Risk, life size..

Ural, Ukraine, East Europe, China,....


Sat, 06/21/2014 - 09:34 | 4880322 Hindenburg...Oh Man
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The usual. Crisis escalates on Saturday, relatively "resolved" by Monday for a Tuesday pop in equities and PM beat down. We've seen this pattern for over a year now. Putin really wants to preserve his friends' portfolios. God forbid anything like this goes down during trading hours. 

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 09:40 | 4880327 Tao 4 the Show
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You raise an interesting point. From a game theory perspective, the value of property in the Ukraine and much of the M.E. for that matter, drops dramatically if major hostilities begin. So it is much like a game of chicken. The problem is that neither side is much willing to back down and and momentum is building, making aversion of impact more difficult.

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 11:17 | 4880471 Bearwagon
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It's much like a Nash-equilibrium ...

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 14:21 | 4880834 Lin S
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Fully-mobilized troops can't be kept on alert indefinitely, it's bad for morale.  At some point, they'll be given the green light/go-ahead.

I'm guessing it will be before the weather begins to cool down and temperatures fall...

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 10:29 | 4880386 Millivanilli
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Low pm prices are great.   Keep on stacking.   


One day the rehypothecation/manipulation  game will end.  The music will stop and the prices will rise accordingly.  No more monster boxes for us then!!!


Alas, we'll probably lose our wealth in an untimely boating accident.



Sat, 06/21/2014 - 09:36 | 4880323 JustObserving
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Poland fully involved in Ukraine now, including mercenaries:

As the war in the southeast of (former) Ukraine rages on, more proof is emerging of active Polish participation there. This participation has thus far been indirect (i.e. no official Polish military units), although this does not mean that it is no less lethal. Not only has Poland been complicit in training urban terrorists in the run-up to the EuroMaidan chaos, but it has also sent loads of mercenaries to forcibly put down the anti-coup protesters rising up against the junta. Now, photographic proof linking Poland to the Ukrainian madness has arisen. Jerzy Dziewulski, the security advisor to former Polish President Aleksander Kwasniewski [1], was photographed last week with Turchynov in Slavyansk. Dziewulski is a notorious counter-terrorism expert, having been trained in the US, Israel, France, and Germany, and he currently runs his own private ‘security’ organization [2]. Despite Sikorski playing dumb about the presence of Polish mercenaries in Ukraine and saying he’d “report the fact to the country’s prosecution office”, Dziewulski’s photo with Turchynov proves that he is lying. In reality, Sikorski and Dziewulski represent Poland’s strategic and tactical interference in Ukraine’s civil conflict, and one can no longer be separated from the other.


Reports of mercenary teams operating in (former) Ukraine started sprouting up on the eve of the Kievan junta’s punitive operation in April, but only recently has proof begun to emerge of Poland’s contribution to this force [3]. The late-May report about Polish mercenaries being shipped to Ukraine was almost immediately challenged by Sikorski, despite Russia’s Deputy Foreign Minister stressing that foreign mercenaries, “particularly from Poland”, are active on the ground. Sikorski is now just as easily dismissing the actual capturing of these mercenaries and their Polish commanders, with the Polish Foreign Ministry simply stating that such information is “black propaganda”. This shouldn’t come as a surprise since Sikorski is on record nearly a week prior speaking about the illegality of these mercenaries in the first place, and thus, he will never confirm that they exist. Now that the photo of Dziewulski (dressed in full combat fatigues, helmet, and appearing to have a pistol holstered to his chest) with Turchynov in Slavyansk has hit the internet, it is impossible to deny Poland’s participation in that conflict zone.

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 14:22 | 4880835 sushi
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Vineyard of the Sakar also had a report that the IL76 transport plane shot down near Lugnask with the loss of 49 lives was later found to contain troops carrying Polish military identification and one with GDR military identification.

Verbal report only. No know web distribution of identification imagery.

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 09:37 | 4880325 Dr. Engali
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This should help push us to S&P 2000.

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 10:16 | 4880375 IridiumRebel
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I feel a bond rally too.....

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 12:17 | 4880580 CrashisOptimistic
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So you foresee poor economic growth.

The folks expecting a bond collapse clearly are uber bullish on the American economy, and one guesses on Obama's leadership thereof.

Growth raises rates.  If you expect big rate rises, you expect big growth.

Sooo many guys on ZH just can't get this consistent.

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 13:38 | 4880744 IridiumRebel
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Ummmm, we are fucked?

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 16:00 | 4881048 Not Too Important
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Yes, and not in a good way.

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 09:59 | 4880326 Volkodav
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Kolomoisky said no truce, that he will use his private army and wipe out the rebellion.


Sat, 06/21/2014 - 09:43 | 4880329 Cognitive Dissonance
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Cheney is erect with excitement. His pals in the defense industry must be counting the number of bombs they will need to replace before they are even dropped.

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 09:56 | 4880353 Dr. Engali
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Thanks for painting that picture in my head CD, I appreciate it........ NOT!

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 10:06 | 4880367 MeMongo
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Sat, 06/21/2014 - 12:37 | 4880625 ChiangMai
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John Kerry aka Jon Carry aka A Haircut in Search of a Brain as well.

Despite promises to do so, he had not sold his Raytheon stock at the time of the threat to attack Syria; so he made money on that one even though it never happened.

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 14:03 | 4880792 Not Too Important
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How many more erections can his 5th heart take? My gawd, he puts Darth Vader to shame!

Sun, 06/22/2014 - 07:19 | 4882293 August
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To paraphrase a poster at The Saker, America is pushing the NATO nations to spend billions of dollars they don't have, on a confrontation with Russia they don't want, to achieve an American goal which will greatly harm Europe's industries and markets.

Fuck the EU... it's win-win-win for the USA.  Unless the Europeans have enough guts to refuse to play the game.

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 09:43 | 4880330 James Dandy
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Your move, American Neo's

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 09:47 | 4880338 Boomberg
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That's one big ass country, Russia that is. The Western oligarchs just can't figure out how to get control of all those natural and human resources. They thought Putin was one of them and are now flabbergasted, just as they are baffled by ISIS. Thank God for Putin and Russia's military. American mothers need to be sending cards to Putin thanking him for saving their son's lives from the next invasion of some hapless country with natural resources. 

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 09:54 | 4880349 Tao 4 the Show
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This is a good time to always think in symmetric pairs, rather than logical, unidirectional sequences. Putin may serve as a counterpoint on the one hand, but on the other, he quite clearly has designs of his own.

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 10:15 | 4880374 IridiumRebel
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C-ISIS-A was basically created by's all created by us. It's Krugman Style Foreign Policy with broken countries instead of windows....

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 12:20 | 4880582 Rock On Roger
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Everything thing you do comes back on you.

Payback time for USA.

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 12:22 | 4880589 IridiumRebel
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I'm sure my kids will suffer too though...

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 13:28 | 4880724 TheReplacement
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Tell anyone you know, who will listen, the following about ISIS:

They are so vile and bloodthirsty that even Al Qaeda proper disowns them.

Trained in Jordan by US.

Armed in Syria by US/Saudi/Qatar.

Scouted by US drones in Iraq.

US F-18s flying wave off missions instead of bombing in Iraq.

Then ask them the following:

If the terrorist group ISIS is so evil that AQ won't put up with them, then why are we doing flybys instead of bombing, even though the government of Iraq has requested just that at least twice now?

Since you are talking to a braindead American you will have to explain.  These terrorists are on the US payroll.  That is why we won't bomb these terrorists. 

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 17:22 | 4881197 IridiumRebel
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Whoever downvoted this post needs to get back to eating dicks.

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 09:48 | 4880340 greatbeard
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Sounds like it's time for a gold smackdown.

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 10:09 | 4880369 IridiumRebel
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Don't forget the silver too!

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 10:24 | 4880364 atthelake
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Gerald Celente said the offer of peace was really terms for surrender.

Putin is not a man who would take such an affront, lightly.

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 10:15 | 4880373 socalbeach
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In case you missed it, Putin economic advisor Sergei Glazyev saying on 6-10-14 that something has to be done before September of this year, Ukraine is undergoing massive re-armament.  English subtitles, about 11 minutes.

US is militarizing Ukraine to invade Russia. Sergei Glazyev

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 10:17 | 4880376 IridiumRebel
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We make it past July I will be surprised.....Hell, the end of the month seems like it's not possible...

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 10:18 | 4880378 Winston Churchill
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August 1914 >> Aug.2014.

Its going to be one hell of a hundredth birthay party at this rate..

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 11:01 | 4880450 sumo
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Listening to the video, I was struck by how many times Glazyev said the word "Nazi". The Battle of Stalingrad kept coming to mind.

George Orwell asserted that the financial elite only take us to war when they've figured out how to make a profit from it. I was reminded of this when Glazyev asserted that the US benefits from wars in Europe, and for that reason wants to start another one, using the "Nazis in Kiev".

This is going to get ugly.

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 11:34 | 4880497 Winston Churchill
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The last line was chilling.

We have to deal with the nazis in Washington.

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 11:46 | 4880524 layman_please
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pay attention to the language. it is part of the programming. nazis are to russians what communists were to americans during the cold war. it's not far from the truth, but it's fear-mongering nevertheless.

if one doesn't get that the language and the history are the tools of the rulers to manipulate the masses, then one is nothing else than an useful idiot.

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 13:10 | 4880691 shovelhead
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When they start shelling your home, you're a little late to the party to talk about 'fear-mongering' programming.

That's REAL fear-mongering. Wake up and smell the coffee.

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 13:30 | 4880732 TheReplacement
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Honestly, if you were Russian, how could you possibly fear a Ukrainian invasion?  Ukraine has not chance of fighting a defensive war against Russia much less an offensive one. This could only be a practical concern if Ukraine was the launch pad for another nation/coalition to invade Russia.  Since he doesn't mention that I don't believe it is a concern.  This is just propaganda.

Sun, 06/22/2014 - 07:28 | 4882296 August
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Agreed: this is pro-confrontation-with-NATO propaganda.

It's probably not needed among the average Ivans and Olgas in Russia at this point, but it may serve as a sounding-board to the Russian elite:  "get ready".  Not necessarily for open warfare, but for some serious disruptions....

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 20:50 | 4881616 Not Too Important
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Turn off the gaz, and ask for neutral peacekeepers. Indians, Chinese, Latin Americans, there's far more positioning to go before anyone attacks Eastern Ukraine with Panzer fury.

In the meantime, any IMF loans are going to weapons manufacturers, and not the locals. But they are incurring the debt.

What a great business model. Channel stuff your unwanted - and massively expensive - products on a customer that doesn't want you in the door at all, and turn off their lives when they complain.

Same with militarizing the US police departments. They get the stuff up front free, but then have to pay for the maintenance. How much of it is war surplus contaminated with DU (I'm sure that was left out of the paperwork). What's a tuneup on a MRAP? Another expense on top of failing pension plans driving municipalities into bankruptcy. Local PD's don't have the unlimited budgets the military has. What next, anti-aircraft missles? ICBM's?

It's not all about 'The Uprising'. A lot of it is simply MIC channel stuffing.

Sun, 06/22/2014 - 07:22 | 4882294 August
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Highly recommended.

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 10:27 | 4880383 lakecity55
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O/T, but this is important and bears watching.


Meanwhile....on the Border, Militias are gathering. In addition to the strategic goals of Cloward-Piven, the appearance of civilian militias in Texas will give the Tyrant the excuse he needs to score a tactical defeat of the militia, in payback for Bundy.

Texas does not have a plan to quickly integrate the Militia, or body of Citizens intro an operational cadre. The correct move would be to swear them into the Texas State Guard and quickly train them, or ask them to leave. 23 states have constitutional state militias tasked only with the defense of property and citizens of the respective state. The state militias are included in USC under the Dick Act and the legality of the 2A/Bill of Rights.

This move will allow the Tyrant to activate the dhs to confront and take power over Texas, not to defend the Border, but to suppress the Militias. You may finally get to see those MRAPs roll along the border.

The events at the Mexican Border are a textbook example of a guerrilla destabilization op directed from the Administration. Similar tactics were taught by the Soviets to 3rd world communists at Patrice Lumumba University in the old USSR.

You have to admit they have planned this very well; arm the cartels, destabilize Mexico, create a wave of refugees, use them to invade and overwhelm. Turn the efforts of US Citizens to defend themselves into anti-government threat, invade with your dhs army and put the area under Martial Law.

Stay tuned....


Sat, 06/21/2014 - 10:42 | 4880415 IridiumRebel
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Texas and Perry should integrate the Militia, or body of Citizens into an operational cadre. Make a desperate plea that the US Gov has left them to invading droves and then see how the .gov reacts. Anything that involves use of force will make the administration lose any credibility. It would be game over and the cries for impeachment would be resounding.

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 11:06 | 4880457 lakecity55
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I am concerned that they no longer fear impeachment and may be rolling the dice. The Tyrant is quickly losing support.

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 12:14 | 4880575 TheReplacement
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Yes, losing support and still grinning like a kid who found a candy bar.  He certainly seems to lack any sign of fear of anything. 

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 11:48 | 4880525 atthelake
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The bought-off house would never impeach and the bought-off senate would never convict. They all like their lobby money too much.

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 12:21 | 4880587 IridiumRebel
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Can't argue with that...I see our resident angry illegal immigrant poster has arrived. Downvote my verga pinche puta.

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 13:57 | 4880782 Not Too Important
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Texas already rolled over. They said this morning everyone they 'arrest' will be handed over to Federal authorities, who will release them. Now all that's left is to document the militia members that show up for future 'reference'.

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 11:28 | 4880487 Urban Redneck
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Relying on Rick Perry for flawless execution of a complicated political maneuver that doesn't allow for plausible deniability... good luck with that.

As an alternative, any and every county Sheriff already has the authority to swear in an unlimited number volunteer deputies TODAY, who then are instantly transformed into LEOs with full authority to uphold State law, including arresting Federal Agents violating State law (in addition their rather odious de facto authority to violate the rights of citizens). That puts the ball for executing a tricky political maneuver in Eric the Bagholder's court and allows Perry to play "dumb".

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 10:40 | 4880409 hangemhigh77
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This isn't gonna be like Iraq where our big tough guys walk in and slap their sister. There are going to be big casualties. Let's see how gung-HO we are when our guys start seeing massive casualties. Add to that Russian bombers hitting every city on our west coast. Not to mention china getting involved with their subs. I don't think China will be suppying WalMart with much plastic crap at that point.

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 10:39 | 4880411 bankonzhongguo
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I think this is another star-spangled example of epic addle-minded US/EU diplomacy fail.

Just in the same way that myth of the Roman Empire falling because of all the mental retardation ebbing from decades of lead in tableware, so too are we seeing a near childlike prescription from Team Obomba on all things.

I know there is a fair share of FSB/SVR trolls on this site as well as the other usual suspects, but I think Ukraine/Iraq is sizing up to be a quid pro quo between Russia and the US.

If Ukraine was such a desperate state NATO would already be on the ground as a trip wire making these buildups unnecessary and politically unusable.  Poland does not want to see their frontier turn into a battle ground any more than Ukraine, which says something for the new Ukrainian government sitting on their NATO request.  Russia has before that formal request to seize eastern Ukraine.  It seems to me that Russian satellites could already detect ISIS training camps in Turkey, Jordan and Syria of the last year to publicly call out the US as backing ISIS.  They don't, which means they have a gentlemen's agreement to the half of Ukraine, or the Russians think they can trade Syria Baathists and Tartus for Shia held Iraq and a closer relationship with a Iranian theocracy that will never have meaningful relations with anyone.

I am pretty sure nobody I know has any interests over there, so really who cares?

Amerikans are more concerned about the price of bacon.


Sat, 06/21/2014 - 10:52 | 4880431 magpie
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The sanctions and the pressure on the EU to block any further economic relations with Russia show this is not the case.

Preserve the finance system by world war ? Just cold war 2 with massive rearmament stimulus for the USA ? There is no swap in the background waiting to happen.

The plane hijacking was another such twisted ploy to pit Russia, China and Kazakhstan against each other. No one is meant to negotiate with the USA, give them all they want...only to be destroyed.

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 11:14 | 4880467 sumo
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Sanctions? Qu'est-ce que c'est?

"France has annoyed the U.S. and other allies by deciding not to suspend the delivery of the two helicopter-carrier Mistral warships to the Russian Navy, whose members arrive on France's Atlantic shores this month for their first training"



Sat, 06/21/2014 - 10:51 | 4880432 tony wilson
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i have studied putin and russia over many years at the brookings institute,chatham house and united services institute.

i have studied the foto evidence above and i can say with cheney rumsfeld certainty that those soldiers are made of cardboard the tanks balsa wood and the rocket launchers dried earth mixed with liquified dung.

seal team 6 once reanimated and rebuilt with cia oversight headed by general frack thefuck should be able to reach moscow in less than a weeks no more than a  years as per standard afghanistan iraq doctrine.

at this moment we do not need to go nukes because of the russians  weakness,lack of stamina,lack of a cause but mainly the over use of timber and paper products within kremlin weapon systems.

we in israel,london and washington can prevail we just have to get close behind are pumped up  presdunt.

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 10:59 | 4880445 magpie
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The boys in Iraq will do it by themselves, after Baghdad, Damascus, Ceyhan etc...perhaps they have to march south first and raid a few Jordanian bases to get some more extra hardware. But after that it's over into the Land of Gog and Magog !

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 11:35 | 4880499 Bearwagon
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No, it's not over until it's over! Look what they really want to conquer:

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 13:38 | 4880746 TheReplacement
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Think about this.  If ISIS is a toy of the west then they will attempt to consolidate Iraq and create a monolithic Sunni swath from the peninsula to Turkey.  Whether they really care about Syria and Iran after that who knows.  Odds are they will attract a good number of Chechens and AQ Chechens.  Chechnya is due north and they would pick up allies on the way.  Once there they could team with Georgia and others and really make the Caucus region a hellhole for Russia.  Imagine if Turdo in Turkey joins in (Turkey and Russia have been opposed historically).  Ukraine won't even register after that.

CIA/FSB/Whatever-China's-spies-are-called/Sunni/Shia/Kurd/Christian/Jew for a real mess.

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 11:59 | 4880543 Volkodav
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Russian tank would be birch.

Sat, 06/21/2014 - 13:24 | 4880713 shovelhead
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I'd bet  $5 you don't even know when your Depends are full.

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