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Polish PM Slams "Organized Criminal Eavesdropping" For "Destabilizing EU" Amid Ukraine Crisis

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First it was US' Victoria Nuland's "fuck Europe" leaked recording; then Turkey's Erdogan faced embarrassing details of a false-flag war with Syria from leaked recordings; then last week's Polish central bank was exposed (by leaked recordings) as offering support for the government in return for favors (crashing any faith in central bank independence); and then this weekend, Poland's foreign minister had some rather colorful language and perspective exposed (by leaked recordings). The Polish Zloty has been hammered lower in the last few days since the events broke (though clear CB intervention has rescued it today) and the Polish Prime Minister is fuming: the "criminal group" that taped public officials has the sole aim of destabilizing Poland during “key moment” as EU reshapes itself amid Ukraine crisis, Tusk blasted, adding (rather pointedly), "people who have organized criminal eavesdropping will not dictate to Poland who governs the country and which ministers are to be dismissed." One wonders who he is talking about; who has the technical know-how and organization to arrange such mass eavesdropping?

 

The Zloty has been significantly affected... (weakening on the leaked recordings and strengthening notably gap-like today after Tusk vowed consequences).

 

As Bloomberg reports,

  • TUSK: THOSE HOLDING TAPES MUST RECKON WITH LEGAL CONSEQUENCES
  • TUSK SAYS WON’T PUNISH POLITICIANS FOR PRIVATE COMMENTS
  • TUSK SAYS HOLDING TAPES EXPOSES POLAND TO BLACKMAIL
  • TUSK SAYS POLAND WON'T YIELD TO BLACKMAIL
  • TUSK SAYS EAVESDROPPERS WON'T DICTATE TO POLAND
  • TUSK SAYS POLAND HAS COMMON INTEREST IN IDENTIFYING GROUP
  • TUSK SAYS AIM TO PARALYZE POLAND IN KEY MOMENT FOR EU, UKRAINE
  • TUSK SAYS SEQUENCE OF EVENTS SHOWS PLAN TO PARALYZE GOVT
  • TUSK SAYS STRONG POLAND KEY TO EU ARCHITECTURE, UKRAINE
  • TUSK SAYS ORGANIZED CRIMINAL GROUP AIMS TO DESTABILIZE POLAND
  • TUSK SAYS POLAND DEALING WITH POLITICAL CRISIS

 

“Criminal group” that taped public officials has sole aim of destablizing Poland during “key moment” as EU reshapes itself amid Ukraine crisis, Prime Minister Donald Tusk says today in Gdansk.

 

“It appears the sequence of events is planned, not spontaneous, with the prupose of paralyzing the entire govt and not just one minister”

 

Effect of tape scandal is “destabilizing government at crucial moment in terms of what’s happening in the East and in Brussels”

 

“I want to emphasize that people who have organized criminal eavesdropping will not dictate to Poland who governs the country and which ministers are to be dimissed”

 

“I won’t punish politicians whose one mistake was to use crude language in private conversations”

 

There’s a distinction between “aesthetics or even embarassing behavior and breaking the law”

 

Vows to take steps to make sure all recordings come to light

 

Those who applaud these events are “shortsighted” because “there’s no doubt the organizers of this surveillance have materials on every side” of political spectrum

 

Poland’s “common interest” is to identify this group

Who would benefit the most from instability among NATO's members?

One wonders which FX pair the KGB will go after next?

 

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Mon, 06/23/2014 - 09:09 | 4885139 Payne
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If you don't lie there is nothing to hide.  If you lie be careful who you speak to very careful.

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 09:13 | 4885150 Rubicon
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Im on the ground in Poland. I see no tanks...

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 09:21 | 4885165 TerminalDebt
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how dare those bastards record and publish illegal activities, google and apple need to hurry up and put in that kill switch on all their cell phones so that the people can't talk to each other and spread discontent.

Bastards just can't accept their lot as slaves in peace.

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 10:08 | 4885343 Latina Lover
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Hey Tusk, how you like being  one of America's bitches?

  BTW, do you think you are magically exempt from the NSA eavesdropping?

  In fact, I wonder what the NSA has on you?

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 10:30 | 4885429 Bananamerican
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My 1st thought was...it's the "Rooskies".
If it is, it's clever...you embarrass the west's sage, humanitarian leaders and expose them as the petty, narcissistic, Machiavellian punks they universally are (Who else rises to "the top" in the West these days?) in front of their own citizens and "allies"
Using intel like a flashlight...in the dark roach infested globalist kitchen

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 10:39 | 4885484 svayambhu108
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Anyone noticed that since Snowden is in Russia a lot of eavesdropping on the west... all those backdoors... stuffed with russian...

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 10:44 | 4885498 Ghordius
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anyone noticed all the Russian government trolls? quite a lot of articles popping up about them. btw, AKAK, come back

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 11:17 | 4885619 NotApplicable
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Gee, they've got dirt on "all sides?"

Well, color me intrigued. Do go on...

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 14:55 | 4886449 fockewulf190
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Bullish on a revival of the Navajo Code Talkers.

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 21:01 | 4887770 StychoKiller
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Ya-ta hey!  The only Navajo I know.

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 09:13 | 4885151 TeamDepends
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Well boys, it looks like it is almost game time here in the US.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1vj-lFtpTw&list=UUFjOi1ZpZVErr8EYxg8t1dQ

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 10:50 | 4885510 IndyPat
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Sounds like a cake gig to me. New York is already disarmed and demobilized.
They do this crap via blue helmets and you will see shit go so fucking nuts there aren't even words for it.
I literally convulse and cry laughing thinking of a bunch of French or Paki soldiers in blue helmets going into WV, TN or KY to round up guns. Might as well send them to hell to collect pitchforks. It would be the most balls-out insane bloodbath history has ever known. There are so many people in those areas armed to the teeth with exactly zero to lose. Hell, give us all a year and we will all feel the same way.

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 09:13 | 4885154 tonyw
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you know politicians lie when they are speaking.

"when it gets serious you have to lie"

typical reaction of a politician is to blame the messenger and threaten reprisals, same for whistle blowers.

Poland seems to have becomw another lapdog for the US.

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 09:31 | 4885211 NoDebt
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You make it sound as if that's a recent thing.

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 10:21 | 4885407 One World Mafia
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"If you don't lie there is nothing to hide."

For them not us.  They use those same as excuse to watch us 24/7.

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 09:10 | 4885141 Tao 4 the Show
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History will record the construction (and overwhelming success) of the voluntary system for being spied upon, euphemistically known as the Internet.

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 09:13 | 4885149 PartysOver
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Technology is a back stabbing bitch

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 09:27 | 4885194 Top Gear
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Primitivist much? 

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 09:34 | 4885221 NoDebt
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The Internet ruined everything.

Which shouldn't be too surprising considering where it came from.  It came from the US DOD/military (read: government).  If it came from Al Gore, we would have nothing to fear since it never would have worked.

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 09:10 | 4885142 Seasmoke
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When I talk on the phone, I always talk like there are 3 parties on the line....sometimes, it's gets confusing , speaking pig latin, but it's the smart thing to do. 

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 09:52 | 4885294 Sages wife
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oodGa inkingTha.

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 10:05 | 4885348 Cognitive Dissonance
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What a great idea. That would certainly spice up my phone sex.

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 10:37 | 4885471 Bananamerican
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In NSA Amerika, you QUESTION the phone....

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 09:12 | 4885148 potato
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If your government can be destabilized by an idea or a soundbite, there shouldn't be much faith in it in the first place.

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 09:18 | 4885163 Ghordius
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I vastly prefer governments that can fall/fail because of a scandal to those who can shrug them away

which, incidentally, is why I prefer Parliamentarism to directly elected executives

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 09:21 | 4885172 potato
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You know what, that's right. Obummer shrugs off one scandal after another and there's no change for the better.

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 10:07 | 4885324 what's that smell
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is that you victoria nuland?.....One wonders which FX pair the KGB will go after next?

....what a stinker. zhedge is starting to read like a NeoCon missive.

"the KGB queered my euro-frack"

"the KGB attacks polish money changers"

WTF?

who stands to benefit? soros, soros, soros, soros, soros, soros, central bankers, soros, soros, currency speculators, and the state dept.

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 09:29 | 4885204 smacker
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Parliamentarism has not been successful at doing that in the UK.

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 09:43 | 4885260 Ghordius
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the Westminster Parliament is still a beacon. not shining that brightly as it did when it was practically the only one, yet it still shines, imho

You often point at the unwritten constitution, or lack of a written one. I often point at the "winner takes all" voting system, which imo generates a "winner takes all" culture in politics, which is confrontational instead of consensus-seeking

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 10:00 | 4885331 tony wilson
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the Westminster Parliament is still a beacon.

yes for toilet traders and child rapists.

elm guest house ever heard of it you fucking tool.

it is a place where kids where filmed being raped by mi5 the rapists those satanists in the house of commons and lords.

fuck you you sick masonic cunt

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 10:07 | 4885355 Ghordius
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oh, and who elected the "toilet traders and child rapists"? not me, I don't have a British citizenship

and this goes back to the voting system, and "there can be only one", and "winner takes all". suit yourself

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 10:58 | 4885545 IndyPat
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Flush your headgear, Euro boy.

There is absolutely no such thing as British Citizenship.

The word you seek is SUBJECT as in PROPERTY of some wrinkled old witch.

God save her, though.

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 11:03 | 4885567 Ghordius
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a Briton is both a subject of Her Majesty and a British Citizen. and the first "title" is more of a tradition, nowadays. a case of shared sovereignty

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 11:08 | 4885592 tony wilson
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take a shovel down to the sandrigham estate and start digging chump.

you should start finding the body parts of kids soon enough from all those eyes wide shut paties what what.

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 11:20 | 4885631 Ghordius
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something for which you blame a majority in the Commons? seriously?

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 11:31 | 4885657 IndyPat
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Shared slavery and serfdom

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 11:52 | 4885750 Ghordius
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have you ever seen a slave? there are still millions of them on this planet

have you ever seen a serf? we have them again, thanks to the practice of certain countries to take the guest worker's passports away, and imposing restrictions to their return to the countries where they come from

you have no idea of this stuff, do you? go on bleating

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 11:18 | 4885626 WillyGroper
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It would appear Guy Fawkes had it right all those years ago.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8gIzkCHvK4

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 12:20 | 4885861 smacker
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You are sorely misinformed about our Parliament.

There was or may have been a time when Parliament held the Executive to account and that's what Cromwell intended. Nowadays, it is little more than a rubber stamp for Executive legislation. Much of the legislation that gets voted thru these days is "enabling" legislation where the relevant Minister *only* fleshes it out after the Bill's been passed. But it is in the fleshing out where all the draconian powers reside.

The Immigration Bill from Theresa May last November was a good example which caused me to submit input to the Parliamentary Committee demanding that they insist she fleshes out the Bill *before* it was tabled in the HoC, otherwise they should go home and stop wasting their time and taxpayers' money.

Add to that the wide range of patronage available to MPs who do as they're told and you have a chamber full of obedient yes-men.

The system of Parliamentary control over the Executive in Britain died a long time ago.

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 10:07 | 4885356 crazzziecanuck
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Come to Canada and witness how the Parliamentary system allows scandal after scandal after scandal after scandal to be shurgged off.

And scandals here are more than the IRS deleting emails too.  We're speaking of lying to Parliament itself, spending scandal after spending scandal, and so on.  It's just non-stop and yet Harper trundles along.

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 10:15 | 4885382 Ghordius
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and what voting system has Canada? First Past The Post. which increases the government's ability to shrug off scandals. that's btw a fact

meanwhile remember that some countries have scandals emerging... and others... where they don't even emerge

but hey, you guys have the version 1.0 and would not even think about looking at version 1.1

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 10:53 | 4885521 IndyPat
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You did read that this is Poland we are discussing, right?

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 09:15 | 4885157 Ghordius
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I agree with Polish PM Donald Tusk on most of his comments. and I suspect some Russian "fieldwork" behind all this. No, the current Polish government is not beyond all suspicion, they do have a few bad attitudes among them. And I disliked their trying to get them back from a Polish newspaper

yet this release of those tapes is clearly mired to shake up the current political nexus that Poland is trying to build. which all in all is sound, particularly in how Tusk wants to approach the Russian gas issue

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 09:37 | 4885232 ThirdWorldDude
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"...particularly in how Tusk wants to approach the Russian gas issue."

Does Poland's plans concerning Russian LNG include nationalization of another domestic private pension fund?

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 09:50 | 4885280 Ghordius
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that's a bit of an older story, isn't it? no, his approach to Gazprom. he says that if Russia insists in having a single seller (Gazprom & the Russian gov together), then we in the EU should set up a single buyer. not the best solution, but a solution nevertheless, and one with some chances of being both equitable and with some degree of sustainability

and this is probably the main reason for this Russian flak (the other one being revenge because of Ukraine). in a moment where it looks like it would be Poland to get the EU "foreign ministry" commissioner seat

btw, nothing on ZH about the current EU Commission debates?

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 10:09 | 4885363 crazzziecanuck
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Wouldn't a single buyer be tantamount to a subsidy for those who are paying more for Russian gas now at the expense of those who have to pay more?

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 10:17 | 4885389 Ghordius
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correct, +1. I did not say it's perfect, but again, Russia is outside the EU, isn't it? and not that easy to convince about not using monopolies

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 10:21 | 4885405 crazzziecanuck
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Ugh, I can't edit my post.  It should be "at the expense of those that currently pay less."

I can see how those who are effected react in the way they are.

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 10:29 | 4885437 Ghordius
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I understood it the way you meant it. and yes, it's politically and economically quite heavy stuff

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 10:14 | 4885378 ThirdWorldDude
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I hadn't heard of Tusk's Gazprom proposal, but it looks like an idiotic plan for internal consumption & aimed at European unification, a.k.a. EU countries handing over their sovereignty to unelected Maoists in Brussels.

Why the plan is idiotic - of course Russia & Gazprom are a single seller in their gas business ventures (Russian Federation holds 50,01% of total Gazprom shares). To make an international gas delivery contract formally correct you only need a signature of an authorized representative of the Russian state. Besides, good luck with convincing Bulgaria et al.  (especially countries that have their own pipelines, such as Germany) that they have to pay Gazprom the price that UK and France have agreed, unless, of course, the single buyer contract doesn't provide much lower gas prices...

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 10:19 | 4885399 Ghordius
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agree on some parts, disagree on others. idiotic? we'll see. what are the options? what does a better price bring... if you don't get the merchandize delivered?

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 10:59 | 4885550 Haus-Targaryen
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This is, essentially the socialization of gas prices. 

I would rather freeze the Italians out than pay more for gas, but thats just me.

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 11:08 | 4885587 Ghordius
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Haus, I understood that you dislike Southerners. What I still don't understand is why. and usually your explanations confuse me even more. I presume that's just me, too

anyway, a cooperative is not necessarily a socialization of prices

there are many examples of "single buyer" cooperatives that work well, particularly in the import of certain commodities to europe

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 12:15 | 4885849 Haus-Targaryen
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I don’t "not like" Southerners -- I just accept the economic reality that the Northern European Nations are much more competitive on a world stage than the Southerners are -- and any "union" between the North and the South is a de facto transfer Union from North to South.

Its this disdain for the union thereof is where my dislike stems from, not of the people themselves. I see however, the quickest way to end said union is to make things as miserable on the Southerners as possible -- until one of these nations pops socially and/or economically -- at which point the whole thing implodes.

I'd gladly freeze out the Romanians, Bulgarians, as well as anyone South and/or East of Vienna to expedite the end of the EU. 

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 11:10 | 4885597 Poundsand
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The difference is that the EU needs the gas.  Russia doesn't need to sell it to them.  And if you think that LNG is the answer, just wait until one of those ships goes up in a very, very, very large ball of flame and then the EU will be begging for Russia to open up that spigot again.

And of course, it will be some Islamic fringe group that will get blamed, or set up.  Won't matter in the end which.

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 09:16 | 4885159 the not so migh...
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what was said was spot on.  Poland should say fuck the US 

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 09:20 | 4885169 Peter Pan
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These people must be totally stupid. Or did they think that Snowden was lying when he told us that everything is being recorded??

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 09:36 | 4885226 Flagit
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How many Polocks does it take to get a Polish girl pregnant?

102.

2 to lay in bed, and 100 to shake the house.

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 10:12 | 4885374 Peter Pan
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That joke is as bad as the one by Ronald Reagan which landed him in a bit of hot water back then when he said it:

How do you who the Pole at a cockfight is?

He's the one with the duck.

How do you if the Mafia is there?

That's when the duck wins.

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 12:29 | 4885886 copernicus
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wow, so funny you fkn loser...  feel like a bigger/better man now?

 

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 12:30 | 4885891 copernicus
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How many Polocks does it take to snap you in half, only one finger.

 

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 09:20 | 4885171 pods
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Poland should double down now.  Say that the US is trying to make everyone their bitch and Poland won't play that game.

pods

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 09:23 | 4885181 potato
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Although Warsaw is a world-class city, the country as a whole is very agricultural. It's a bunch of scared old ladies voting based on what they hear on the 8o'clock news.

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 09:44 | 4885249 Winston of Oceania
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Climb back into the bottle Ivan, I'd rather enlist the aid of a farmer even in war than a drunk for any reason. BTW Polish vodka is far better than Russian vodka.

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 09:41 | 4885252 Winston of Oceania
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Poland will never side with Russians.

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 11:01 | 4885557 Haus-Targaryen
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That is an exceptionally stupid move, especially when the Germans (eventually) side with the Russians. 

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 11:08 | 4885584 IndyPat
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And they will never beat them either.
Go fish.

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 09:22 | 4885175 Spungo
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It's not the constant backstabbing causing instability. It's the fact that someone is reporting it!

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 09:22 | 4885176 buzzsaw99
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whiny bitchez, that's for sure

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 09:26 | 4885190 SoDamnMad
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But what the Polish PM said is true. No way NATO can respond to thwart a coordinated  attack on some of it's members.

Poland does have a pretty well motivated, well equiped defense force while the Baltics and others don't. They spend minimal on GDP

and think NATO will ride to their rescue.  Not going to happen.  They need to host forces who will train with them and perhaps

keep some of the mothballed Iraq/Afghanistan equipment there in Europe.  Not roaring around the countryside but as a base

of training.

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 10:02 | 4885335 Jorgen
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Poland does have a pretty well motivated, well equiped defense force while the Baltics and others don't. They spend minimal on GDP

Well motivated -- yes. Well equipped -- no.

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 11:10 | 4885596 IndyPat
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Sounds like a sales opportunity to me!
Worked out wonderful for Georgia.

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 09:27 | 4885193 smacker
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"Polish Prime Minister is fuming: the "criminal group" that taped public officials has the sole aim of destabilizing Poland during “key moment” as EU reshapes itself amid Ukraine crisis..."

The very idea that the EU can ever "reshape" itself is hilarious. It's incapable of doing so. And with Mr Junkett on the cards to replace Barroso as unelected EU Commission President, the EU will continue along the same road or get even worse and slowly grind down the European populations into impoverished debt slaves with unemployment rising to the point of civil unrest.

The lunatics have taken over the asylum.

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 09:58 | 4885322 bombdog
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The sad thing is I don't think they care mate. So long as they have the levers of power they don't give a fuck about me or you.

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 10:21 | 4885330 Ghordius
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why the heck should we elect the EU Commission Prez? the whole idea is imho insane. we don't fucking need an elected Prez in Europe. at least I don't want an elected president. it goes back to the fact that if you elect him, you can't that easily replace him if he goes the wrong way

the current debate is about who should be able to appoint him, in which order

the elected EU Parliament wants to have the initiative, and the EU conservative party group has campaigned with Juncker as "lead candidate". and they have lots of support by other parliamentary groups

the appointed Prime Ministers of the Council will debate on that, because they have the power of first nomination, and they used to have total primacy on this

but no, the EU Commission has to be appointed by a majority of both Council and Parliament

Cameron is appointed, too. Merkel, Tusk, Renzi, every PM in europe (except for the French and the Romanian presidents) is appointed. and their Parliaments can throw them out if they wish so. Parliamentarism

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 11:55 | 4885754 bombdog
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Yeah but parliaments also write their own laws, they are not handed to them by a bunch of lobbyists and corporate crooks. Real parliaments in real countries. You don't give a shit about parliaments, because if you did you would defend them.

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 11:58 | 4885780 smacker
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"...it goes back to the fact that if you elect him, you can't that easily replace him if he goes the wrong way..."

This is one of those old chestnuts that gets dragged out because it sounds logical. In practice it's totally wrong.

Barroso has gone wrong on everything he does. That should be obvious, he's a socialist-wannabe-fascist, with the competence of a rocking horse. Yet he has never been sacked. Why not??

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 12:25 | 4885876 Ghordius
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because he had both a majority in the EU Council and EU Parliament, that's why. ever heard about the Commission Santer? was kicked out by the EU Parliament in 1999. the EU Parliament forced Barroso to reshuffle the Commission, too

btw, did you know that Barroso was only appointed because the UK disliked the original consensus candidate? the same trick Cameron is trying to do now was already done by a UK gov both in 1994 and 2004

Barroso was the British Choice. or at least the preferrable solution to the UK government. not something you'd read often in the British press

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 13:04 | 4886033 smacker
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My dear fellow. It surprises me not one jot that Barroso was Britain's choice (he would have been the least worst option). As I've learned over the years, our two major political parties are seperated only by using different names. Underneath, they are both seriously on the Left of politics. Whatever MSM and many commentators may say, we do not really have a choice. Whoever we vote for we get ever more government, ever higher taxes and ever more authoritarian statism.

Add to that my earlier comments about Parliament failing to hold the Executive to account and you can begin to see the crises in governance that has engulfed these Sceptered Isles.

It is way way beyond repair, the only solution is to invest in rope and piano wire.

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 10:22 | 4885413 Ghordius
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Britons, if you don't like to be in a club that you don't lead... than leave. imo this is what irks conservative Britons. they only like clubs where Britain leads

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 11:12 | 4885603 IndyPat
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By all means....put the Poles in charge.

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 11:17 | 4885618 Ghordius
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how about a consensus, instead? spiced with compromises? not everybody's taste, I know

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 11:53 | 4885753 smacker
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Well, Cameron's expected failure to bang some sense into Merkel and other EU socialist leaders regarding Junkett replacing Barreloso is getting plenty of publicity over here. It may well make it even more difficult for him to renegotiate a few UK concessions with our membership. Not that whatever he negotiated would be worth anything anyway.

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 09:27 | 4885195 cherry picker
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Everyone misses the point. I leaders cant trust their conversations being private and possibly taken out of context, what about us peons

It is about time CSA and NSA were disolved, if not the world may dissolve these criminal organizations for them, and about time

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 09:29 | 4885205 Spungo
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Then maybe those countries should get nuclear weapons. They seem to be the ultimate defensive weapon.

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 09:33 | 4885212 skbull44
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I'm reminded of what Charles Hugh-Smith wrote in Survival+: "We must be alert to the...overwhelming need of the global Elites to reassure their restive, anxious populace that the structure of Elite dominance and wealth is robust, secure, and in the populace's self-interest.

In actuality, the structure is not in the populace's self interest, and it is increasingly insecure, brittle, and vulnerable to decay and/or disruption on numerous levels. Much of the vulnerability stems not from the Elite overreach but from the fact that we as a species have reached the carrying capacity of the planet in terms of a high-energy consumption dependency on cheap abundant petroleum for food, transport, water, 'growth', etc..

Nonetheless those who control the vast majority of assets, wealth, and tools of persuasion have the most to gain from a continuing belief in the system's stability. Thus their defence of the system that serves their interests above all else will be fierce and unremitting."

 

http://olduvai.ca

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 10:23 | 4885414 samsara
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THE PEAK OF WORLD OIL PRODUCTION

AND THE ROAD TO THE OLDUVAI GORGE

http://dieoff.com/page224.htm

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 09:36 | 4885225 buzzsaw99
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don't answer the phone man - lulz [/cheech]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDbSzWGVqfE&feature=kp

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 09:38 | 4885237 tony wilson
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bollox

just bollox

do you not see yet.

ask an american is obarme a man of peace they will say yes.

yet his puppet actions officially stamp approve the slaughter of 10s of thousands.

 

poland this

poland that

poland strong

poland free thinking

independant

bollox

this poolish cunt is a rotter a wrong un

a blackmailed tool.

he has sanction grom units acting as kill squads in ukrainia.

he is a 2 zlottie bit cia run hustler pimp using his special forces to poke a stick at russia.

this like the complaints of nsa spying from germany is all a fucking act.

tough guy talk for local polack comsumtion only.

all bollocks

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 09:43 | 4885259 magpie
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They are quite good at this. Even while Erdogan is effectively at war with Syria, there were demonstrations and provocations against him. So even if Tusk is required to help fight the Slavic hordes in Novorossiya, same same.

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 11:16 | 4885612 IndyPat
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Agree with everything except this...

ask an american is obarme a man of peace they will say yes.

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 09:38 | 4885240 Spungo
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How many Poles does it take to fill a gas chamber? Apparently quite a few.

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 10:24 | 4885295 Winston of Oceania
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The Russians are hated far more than the Germans, look up Katyan sometime there skippy.

http://katyncrime.pl/The,Katyn,Massacre,517.html

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 10:53 | 4885516 Zerozen
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The Russians are far more hated, it's not because of Katyn though. I mean if you're keeping tabs on the scorecard of who killed more Poles this past century, it's Germany in the lead by like several millions.

The real reason is sour grapes. Poland used to be a great power up until the 1600s and competed against/beat up on a fledgling Russia for leadership of the slavic world. Then they fucked up and fell apart internally and got split up by foreigners and by 1800 didn't even exist as a country any more. Russia outgrew them, outsurvived them and is today comparatively way ahead in any measureable way (population, land, military, economy, technology, etc.).

Polish fearmongering and paranoia vis-a-vis Russia is jealousy and a sore-loser attitude writ large.

P.S. Russian <> Soviet. Stalin approved of the Katyn massacres and he was Georgian.

 

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 09:44 | 4885264 asscannon101
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"One wonders who he is talking about; who has the technical know-how and organization to arrange such mass eavesdropping?"

 

Its the Polish Mafia or Polafia as it is frequently known. Sometimes referred to as 'La Cosa Kielbasa'. Viscious and spicy.

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 09:53 | 4885299 bombdog
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This is the best kind of intelligence - the stuff that gets published. Whoever published these calls from Ashton's "Gosh!" call, to Nuland's "Fuck The EU" - I salute you. They don't want the plebs knowing  what they are doing so it's hilarious when it comes out. The truth must be known to everyone. Let people prosper, let Russian gas flow west and let's have peace in Europe; a Europe freed from a monstrous EU and its talentless political elite. Fuck the dollar and fuck fracking too, drop these cold hearted bitchez in a tank of LNG.

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 12:14 | 4885844 ThisIsBob
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Apparently Nuland decided not to fuck the EU, but just to give them a little head instead.

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 10:11 | 4885370 DanDaley
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The lady doth protest too much, methinks...in other words, they're probably happy about the leak, or gave it to the Rooskies.

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 10:19 | 4885371 Urban Redneck
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It's NOT a crime if the Polish government has no legal jurisdiction over the party conducting the recording in the first place. Any questions, suck the NSA general counsel's cock.

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 10:15 | 4885381 Peter K
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Russians... srussians.

They "tapers" were doing their "taping" for two years.... when the Poles and the Russians were still best mates.

 

 

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 10:23 | 4885417 Winston of Oceania
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"when the Poles and the Russians were still best mates"

When exactly was that? Poles HATE Russians with a passion.

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 03:53 | 4888471 Peter K
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You obviously haven't read the tape transcripts. ;)

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 10:16 | 4885387 Civilization
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He says Poland won't be blackmailed...so there is even better stuff that has't been leaked!

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 10:18 | 4885390 samsara
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OT;

In other news...

Sandy Hook Lead Investigator Dies Suddenly at Age 49

http://www.thedailysheeple.com/sandy-hook-lead-investigator-dies-suddenly-at-age-49_062014

my friend asked if;      

Havent opened it up yet but I’m hoping he wasn’t in a hot tub, while flying in Cessna, depressed and shot himself in the back of head in a what appeared as a suicide with his hands tied behind his back.

  

Or did they Breitbart him?

 

  I said;

I think he was driving a Segway that inexplicitly suddenly accelerated to 100 mph and crashed with huge fireball into a palm tree….

 

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 10:35 | 4885468 orangegeek
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LMFAO!!!!!

 

Prime Minister Donald Tusk can go suck on a perogy.  Stupid big mouth asshole!!!!

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 10:54 | 4885492 NuYawkFrankie
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I had no idea that Donald Trump was now Polish PM - was The Apprentice cancelled or something?

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 10:54 | 4885523 Joe A
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'They' (TPTB) keep on telling us the whole time that 'if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear'. How does it feel now fuckers being caught with your dicks in your hands? If you are an honest politician (I know, an almost impossibility) then you don't have to fear exposure.

While it is for sure some obscure group is eavesdropping, if there is nothing to expose then they don't have a reason for doing so. I see this eavesdropping as a way to make sure that political process becomes transparent and that not some psychopath becomes too powerful.

And can't they eavesdrop on Putin? Why is nothing that he and his ilk say and do exposed? Don't tell me they don't have the means...

 

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 11:36 | 4885673 SmittyinLA
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The people that control our govt want war and civil unrest more than anything, they keep trying to trigger civil unrest at every opportunity.

There's 2  certain groups of people that profit handsomely whenever or wherever war breaks out, one is financiers, the war material suppliers including bullets, propellant, and processed food supplies like MREs, they even loan out those goods based on future stolen assets.

Isis is funded by credit, on both sides.

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 11:45 | 4885712 Canucklehead
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Poland certainly looks foolish.  Even before the NSA, there was an old saying about...  People in Glass Houses Shouldn't Throw Stones.

Poland looks like it has a low IQ.  They need to smarten up and stop blaming everyone for their short comings.

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 12:09 | 4885821 Andre
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It says a lot about the article that the KGB doesn't exist anymore. It was split and reorganized in 1991.

It's FIS (English translation initials)/SVR (Anglicized Russian initials) at this point. Same mission as KGB First Directorate.

 

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 12:12 | 4885835 WTFUD
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These EU leaders all have something in common; TO SELL OUT THEIR SHEEPLES TO THE HIGHEST BIDDERS.
We salute you!!!

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 12:37 | 4885917 fishwharf
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I'm not particularly proud of it, but I'm a serf and I'm in the USA.  Here's a song about it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNypbmPPDco&feature=kp

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 12:42 | 4885936 FeralSerf
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I wonder how much the leakers and their OWNERS made shorting the zloty.

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