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Russia Says Ukraine Took Gas Despite Cutoff; Sends More Tanks/Troops To Border

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The deadline passed on June 16th for Ukraine's payment for gas already provided and upfront 'pre-payments' for ongoing deliveries. So what the Russian Energy Minister wants to know is how Ukraine took 3.8mcm on June 19th, 4.5mcm on June 20th, and 1mcm on June 21st. It appears Ukraine is claiming the gas supplies are reverse flow from Europe but this has not stopped Russia as The Pentagon reports more Russian troops at the Ukraine border and that they are preparing to send more tanks.

 

Since the cutoff on June 16th, Ukraine has 'taken':

  • 3.8mcm on June 19
  • 4.5mcm June 20
  • 1mcm on June 21

According to Russia's energy minister.

As it appears Russia sends gas to Europe (via Ukraine) and Ukraine holds on to it - claiming it is "reverse flow."

Ukraine remains open...(of course)

Ukraine is ready to resolve a dispute with Russia over natural gas transit through bilateral negotiations, state-run energy company Naftogaz said Monday.

 

"I believe that we will try to resolve the issue through negotiations," Naftogaz Chairman Andrey Kobolev told reporters.

But Russia does not seem in negotiating mood...

“Neither the situation nor the Russian position has changed during these days [since the gas cutoff],” Energy Minister Alexander Novak said June 19 in Moscow. “We are waiting for the payment for Russian gas.”

OilPrice.com explains the state of play...

In an effort to ensure the flow of gas to the West, Ukraine’s parliament is considering legislation that would allow the country’s gas transit and storage facilities to be leased as joint ventures with the United States or EU member countries. Under the proposal, Ukraine would have a 51 percent share and foreign investors would be offered 49 percent.

 

Ukraine is now enduring its third Gazprom cutoff since 2006, and is looking for ways to reduce its reliance on Russia for energy. Still, Kiev needs the income from delivering Russian gas to Europe and wants to make its transit system more reliable.

 

As a result, acting Ukrainian Prime Minister Arseny Yatseniuk told parliament on June 19 that the joint venture, if approved, would mean an unbroken flow of fees from EU gas customers as well as investment income. He added, “If Europeans join this company, Russia will not build Southstream.”

 

Southstream is a pipeline that Gazprom is building to ship gas through southeastern Europe, across the Black Sea and on to Western Europe, bypassing Ukraine altogether. That would deny Ukraine of any transit payments it’s been receiving from the West.

And as that discussion is underway, this is happening:

  • *U.S. ARMY COLONEL STEVE WARREN SAYS MORE EQUIPMENT MAY BE SENT
  • *PENTAGON SAYS RUSSIA PREPARING TO SEND MORE TANKS TO UKRAINE
  • *SEVERAL THOUSAND MORE RUSSIAN TROOPS AT UKRAINE BORDER: WARREN

“Russia has accumulated artillery at a deployment site in southwest Russia and we believe Russia might soon provide this equipment to separatist fighters” in Ukraine, Warren says

 

“It’s something that we’re concerned about”

 

He didn’t provide any estimate on numbers

 

DOD agrees with a NATO estimate that “at least a few thousand more troops” from Russia have been sent to Ukraine border, he says

And this is happening as Russian separatists accept the cease fire...

  • *UKRAINE SEPARATIST LEADER AGREES TO CEASE-FIRE THROUGH FRI.:WSJ
  • *DONETSK GROUP SEEKS TALKS WITH UKRAINE GOVT BY JUNE 27: IFX

Which makes one wonder, what happens on June 28th?

 

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Mon, 06/23/2014 - 13:21 | 4886120 LawsofPhysics
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Physically shut down all pipelines through Ukraines already.  Plenty of paying customers in the East.

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 13:27 | 4886140 G.O.O.D
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Moar Woar Bitchez! Bullish- go long bombs and mines.

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 13:36 | 4886169 LawsofPhysics
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Unless the flow of gas stops, this is just more noise.

War is simply negotiation by other means.

 

Same as it ever was...

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 13:44 | 4886193 Haus-Targaryen
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Will putin just invade already!?

This foreplay is killing me. Besides, I have positions to cover.

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 13:55 | 4886229 CrashisOptimistic
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I don't think he wants to invade.  He doesn't want to feed them or heat them or anything else.

And invading doesn't get GAZPROM paid.  They are a basketcase.  GAZPROM wants to be paid and they aren't paying.

Shutting them off may be the only answer, or provide just enough for the European customers who get the transited gas and if any is stolen, tell the Bulgarians to come invade Ukraine to get their gas.

 

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 14:05 | 4886269 Zwelgje
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Gazprom will never get paid by Ukraine. Might as well cut the losses. 

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 19:55 | 4887535 Angry Plant
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The idea that you can wage war against a country, and then cut off there gas supply, but at same time think you can then ship gas through that same country to other buyers is a bit crazy.

Of course there ether going to steal your gas are shut it off entirely.

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 14:58 | 4886463 Panafrican Funk...
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That is it in a nutshell, the gas that the Ukraine has been obtaining is gas that's not going elsewhere in Europe.  So, Europe can either foot the bill for the Ukraine and import NG from elsewhere, or, ?  

This will really start to heat up toward the latter half of October.  This may also be a tactical move on the part of the US (ie., intentionally restraining intergovernmental liquidity vis a vie the Ukraine), kinda forces the hand of the EU that has thusfar been straddling the fence, or leaning towards Russia (Germany in particular).

Fuck the EU, indeed.

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 06:53 | 4888572 tonyw
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Of course russia doesn't want to invade, why on earth would they want to be responsible for a basket case corrupt country.

Like most people they want to peaceably go about their business and try to get on as best they can and want their kids to have a better life.

They don't have bases in dozens of countries all round the world.

They haven't spent billions to overthrow governments democratically elected or otherwise.

They would like to be paid for the gas they have already supplied and not have it stolen again.

 

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 18:39 | 4887263 Dugald
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They's a gonna confiscate the gas taken, fill their tanks and take it back home, makes sense ta me....well don't it??

Limps off muttering.....

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 14:52 | 4886433 kchrisc
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More "rackets" and debt from the Rothschilds.

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 13:40 | 4886180 Renewable Life
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“Neither the situation nor the Russian position has changed during these days [since the gas cutoff],” Energy Minister Alexander Novak said June 19 in Moscow. “We are waiting for the payment for Russian gas.”

Seems fair enough, but in the "new America world" you don't own that gas Russia, the government of Ukraine does (because they need it) or the Government of America/EU actually!!

So payment for products and all that shit, it's so 20th century capitalism!!
Obama invented a new planetary economic system, you didn't know, it's based on need, and ability to pay! Because no one should be without gas in their stove and heat in their houses! So sit back and shut the fuck up and enjoy the utopian paradise that's to follow!

Oh and if your "ethnic" anything, I don't care really what, just say your ethnic, and you will pay a discounted rate, because of the bad shit that happened to your family, wherever they were, when ever it happened, it doesn't matter, it happened, and you should get a discount!!

It's working perfectly in America, it will work perfectly in Russia too!! Not so perfectly in Iraq and Afganistan, but we are "working on it" over there, this utopian paradise stuff, isn't an exact science, so give us 10-50 more years and we should have it figured out!

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 13:58 | 4886236 Jack Burton
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Brilliant post I might add. The new American century does have some very strange ways of defining capitalism. The system of payment for goods or services provided does not pertain in the case of Russian gas, because, as you say, you don't own that gas Mr. Putin. If America claims it for their new friends in Kiev, then it is Kiev's gas. Not only must Russia keep pumping, they must write off Kiev's gas debts and keep the supply flowing at discount prices. Otherwise Russia is using gas as a weapon to intimidate innocent Kiev.

But the most important point in you post is your pointing out that exceptional America is allowed to enforce their will, whatever it may be, not because it is right or just, but simply because the exceptional nation says so.

America is seeking to cut off Russian and European trade as much as possible. Cutting gas exports to the EU is vital to force the EU to buy much more expensive LNG, when and if the US ever invests enough billions to make the system of Atlantic export by ship viable.

Anyways. +100 for a very insightful post!

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 14:50 | 4886428 Paveway IV
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Poroshenko: "Huh? What  mean Gazprom won't take EBT card. Swipe card again, please?"

Putin: "No. I tell you ten times now. Russia have no EBT card readers. Cash only. You want or not?"

Poroshenko: "And I tell you ten times this: EBT exact same as cash. Gas is basic human right, Vald. Oh, and maybe add some two carton of Marlboros' to purchase?"

Putin: "Nyet. Please remove from line. Paying customer waiting."

Poroshenko: "I will make my TV station here five minutes to exposing Russian cash-for-gas scam."

Putin: "RT babe already do special for this on the YouTube."

Poroshenko: "Stop to oppressing to me, Russian mafia! Give me the gas!"

Putin: "Oh.... Boots out Yanukovich not so good idea now? Why don't call him and ask kiss-and-make-up?"

Poroshenko: "STOP. Now force us use final option: NATO super-ultimate financial destruction of all Russia."

Putin: "NATO same try to buy smokes and beer on EBT card here last week. Is mental problem with all you?"

Poroshenko: "Say so, Vlad... Who run Bartertown?"

Putin [in microphone]: "Security to checkouts..."

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 22:51 | 4888092 StychoKiller
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PavewayIV FTW!!

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 00:28 | 4888282 pathetic looser
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what about europe and their contracts?

 

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 13:22 | 4886123 Grande Tetons
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July 4th weekend coming up. Prepare to bendover at the pump. 

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 13:25 | 4886135 H. Perowne
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Why? The Chairhag tells me that it's just noise, anyway. 

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 13:36 | 4886151 Grande Tetons
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July 3rd we will be on the brink of WW3...on Monday the 7th...there will be a picture of Obama hugging Putin on the news.

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 14:06 | 4886267 10mm
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Everybody stay home. No bending required. Light a fire cracker and delight in fake Land Of FEE, Home of the Slave shit.

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 17:21 | 4887015 813kml
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July 5th NY Times headline:  "Antichrist Putin Invades Ukraine For Refusing To Pass Gas"

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 13:23 | 4886129 Sudden Debt
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so.... If the barman tells you... No more beers...
But he keeps pooring them in your glass...
And you keep drinking them....
For free...
Who's the stupid one?

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 13:27 | 4886137 ENTP
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No, the bartender has cut Ukraine off, however he is still serving Ukraine's buddies.  Ukraine keeps siphoning off some of his buddy's beer and his buddies are encouraging the behavior.  Eventually the bartender will get fed up and kick them all off the juice.

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 13:36 | 4886171 Top Gear
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A true observation.

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 13:37 | 4886172 rwe2late
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 Are Ukraine's buddies paying for the juice?

Or are they claiming because they didn't drink it they don't have to pay?

Looks like all drinks will have to be paid up front.

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 13:46 | 4886204 ENTP
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There wouldn't be an issue if somebody was paying the bill.  The real day will be when Russia decides it doesnt want fiat as payment.

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 14:00 | 4886249 CrashisOptimistic
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Well, there is a context in which that works (and of course, not gold).

It can work like so . . . GAZPROM isn't going to go bankrupt if they flow no oil to south Europe.  They can say, sorry, we're keeping that in the ground for the future and the future is China.

Good luck to you folks finding alternatives (there aren't any).  If you persuade Ukraine to stop stealing, we'll flow.  Not until.

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 07:00 | 4888582 tonyw
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"...If you persuade Ukraine to stop stealing,..."

Hmm, maybe they need some troops in there to control them???

 

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 13:24 | 4886133 ENTP
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Print off some more money for Ukraine, we must not let the concept of consequences for not paying your bills creep into Western markets.

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 13:32 | 4886156 Dr. Engali
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If somebody was running a gas line through my back yard you can bet your bottom dollar that I would be siphoning some off too. I don't care who you are.

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 13:44 | 4886192 rwe2late
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 According to Wikipedia,

Ukraine collects about $3 billion annually in transit fees

for Russian gas transited in the pipelines to EU countries.

 

If you want to risk collecting those transit fees on the good will

of nations not getting the gas they paid for ...

 

Basic question, will EU nations subsidize Ukraine gas above the $3 billion transit fees they already pay?

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 14:03 | 4886261 CrashisOptimistic
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That's your transit fee.

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 19:09 | 4887359 Volkodav
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no you wouldn't

idle talkings

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 13:32 | 4886157 HyperinflatmyNutts
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Russia in a tight spot here.  They don't want to get pulled into invading Ukraine that would make the US cream their pants but at the same time the SothStream pipeline is a ways off from being completed. In the mean time Ukraine is stealing Russian gas and still has not paid their bill. I think Russia has to just give the separatist all the firepower they need to over throw the the Kiev Junta. 

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 13:43 | 4886189 Postal
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Sounds like a complicated chess match. I'm glad our team doesn't have to worry about being outsmarted and embarrassed by the Russians. /sarc

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 14:08 | 4886273 CrashisOptimistic
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No, they don't.

Guys here just haven't embraced the concept.

LEAVE IT IN THE FUCKING GROUND.

You don't LOSE "sales" if you don't flow.  You postpone them.  The shit is in the ground.  So don't flow it.  Save it for later.

This imagined pressure on Russia talks about "Gazprom is losing $$$ per day by not flowing".  They aren't losing.  They are just not earning as much.  They have other customers up north.  For these, they are just postponing  revenue.  They probably won't even have to fire anyone.

It's the consumers who HAVE to have it right fucking NOW.  The producers will still have it later.

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 14:41 | 4886398 potato
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there are high costs with letting pumpjacks idle. corrosion doesn't stop, so you have to keep maintaining the pipes underground and the pipelines with chemicals, anywhere from once a month to twice weekly. trucks and personnel are contracted to maintain oil wells and ship crude from them. if they get no work, they quit.  that is just the beginning the costs calculus. im not saying your idea is bad, but it must also consider the aforementioned costs and more

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 19:07 | 4887354 Volkodav
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different subject...gas and pipelines....not oil

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 14:10 | 4886279 Jack Burton
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Indeed! Russia must not invade Ukraine, this is Uncle Scams dream scenario! New cold war, massive profits for military industrial complex and reason for severe spying at home. Nope, as you say, the best play by Putin is to go all out to get modern weapons in numbers into East Ukraine. The Self Defense Fighters already have proven to Kiev's stooge soldiers that they are deadly in combat. For now, Russia should keep these highly motivated defenders of their homes supplied with infantry operated guided missiles for anti tank, anti aircraft and hardened ground targets. Kiev's un motivated troops are not interested in real combat, and the Right Sector thugs who do desire to kill, well, they are useless against the hard fighting defenders of East Ukraine. I watched video of 8 captured Right Sector thugs being interviewed on the baattle field littered with their men and machines. Asked why they were there in someone elses home seeking to kill, the best answer the thugs had was the pay they were getting. 3,000 Ukrainian hryvnia a day, others were only getting 2,500. The eight were led away after being told how lucky they were, since they were going to be kept for prisoner exchange.

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 22:55 | 4888100 StychoKiller
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Mmm, prison swill!

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 14:10 | 4886284 Poundsand
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Disagree.  Russia is simply letting this play out.  Kiev doesn't make their payments, then starts siphoning off gas, refuses to pay for gas, now wants to have the US/EU guarantee it via part ownership as if the US/EU can force delivery.  Good luck with that strategy.

Meanwhile, a cease fire is exactly what I would order if I was supporting the separatists.  Kiev has to keep it's soldiers in the field, supplying them, draining their own reserves.  Think of the cost of the British troops in America vs. the minutemen during the period before and during the revolution.  It wasn't that the Americans defeated the British, we just made staying too expensive, so they left. (Not saying that we never won any battles)  Meanwhile, colder temperatures get closer every day.  Come fall, we will see who's in the tight spot.

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 17:42 | 4887124 HyperinflatmyNutts
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Good point of view. I agree the colder weather will favor Russia position

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 14:54 | 4886444 Joe A
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They will give them enough firepower to keep the status quo going.

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 13:33 | 4886163 I am a Man I am...
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They sure use the word "cutoff" loosely.

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 13:37 | 4886168 Gaius Frakkin' ...
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I don't understand what the problem is here. If the buyers west of Ukraine are getting less than they paid for, shouldn't they be pissed off? If they are still paying Russia the same amount for less, why should Russia care? It only makes Ukraine look worse by the day.

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 13:43 | 4886191 HyperinflatmyNutts
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They care because Ukraine is STEALING!!

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 14:26 | 4886281 kowalli
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Actually not, Ukraine is stealing from Europe....

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 15:20 | 4886539 dogbreath
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I wonder where the law stands on this.   I had the occaision to research bailment law as a part of a theft of my property from storage.   This is a bailment law issue.  

Are there any lawyers here who could comment.   I believe the gas is held in trust  by pipeline gas transit corporation.   I am wondering if the pipe in the Ukraine is owned by separate entities from the same pipeline in russia or poland/Cz.   I am suposing that the shipment is short at the destination of unloading versus the gas that was loaded at the Uke border.   Ownership by posesion??

At some point this is like piracy and the navy has to be sent to deal with it.   The ukranians think they are  Blackbeard 

 

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 13:43 | 4886190 Crazy Or Not
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Makes SHTF look delightful! Anyway you look at this ....its bad!

Am sure Putin keeps away well from tall buildings - this mess will get an IPO all of its own.

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 13:45 | 4886199 ziggy59
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Govts hate competition..
Theyre the only ones allowed by self decree to invade, rob, spy, kill...

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 14:01 | 4886252 SpanishGoop
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In Holland if you do not pay your debt (IRS fi.) you get invaded by debtcollectors taking your property, your home and your income.

So why can't Russia do the same ?

 

 

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 14:24 | 4886336 conscious being
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Hold that thought.

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 14:20 | 4886317 Jack Burton
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Ukraine has leverage in that they do control the largest of Russia's gas export business into Europe. They are playing that hand to the limit. Why does the EU allow Kiev to steal some of their gas? Well, that is just a small price to pay in the geopolitical game to destroy Russia. Washington is not hurt by this loss to the EU economy, in fact, this is good for the USA. And since the EU leaders are all paid off to serve Washington, then they let their citizens bear the cost and they carry out Washington's orders to help the Kiev junta at all costs.

Russia also has leverage. But it is not so easy to bring to bear without fear of destroying a decades long contract system with the EU. Remember, even during the worst days of Soviet Communism and US/NATO tensions, the USSR kept the gas flowing to Europe. In fact, the USSR/Russia has never once failed to hold up it's contractual obligations to provide gas as stipulated. Only Kiev has gotten into the mix and disrupted the gas flow. Since they are paid well for transit rights in hard currency or gas, they would be fools to ruin this rich income to their nation.

In fact, Ukraine as a whole is not as allied with the USA as media would have you think. Even in Kiev, 1/3 of voters vote for pro Russian candidates, as you move east this grows to a solid majority. That is WHY the US led Coup was so important, to bypass voters and put Right Sector thugs in charge of who leads Ukraine. To NATO thinking, paid thugs are always better at pickign leaders than the voters of Ukraine. Democracy, that word coming out of Washington's lips is a swear word. Look at Egypt today! The US going to visit their military coup government, put into power by Israel and the USA.

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 00:37 | 4888294 pathetic looser
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interesting analysis , thanks

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 07:05 | 4888590 tonyw
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Look at Iraq, as soon as their US backed democratically elected leader does not toe the US line a "totally out of the blue / who could have seen it" rebellion occurs.

 

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 14:28 | 4886331 Bankster Kibble
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If the EU takes title of its gas at the Ukraine-Russia border, then Ukraine is only stealing from EU.  If EU takes title of gas at the Ukraine-EU border, then Ukraine is stealing from Russia.  If I remember correctly, the second scenario was the situation in 2009 and why Russia turned off the taps. 

Ukraine made noises a couple months ago that EU could take over management of the pipes through Ukraine; that would make EU responsible for Ukraine's gas supply.  However I do not know if that has been agreed by all parties, especially those who will have to pay the gas bill.

(edit: just re-read the bit about possible joint venture to manage the pipelines - looks like nothing definite yet.  And if Yats thinks a JV with Europe could convince Russia to abandon Southstream at this late date, I have a bridge to sell him.)

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 14:44 | 4886410 orangegeek
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you can't use our gas unless you pay us BEEELLLLLIONSSSS!!!!

 

but we can run our pipes over your vast land and you can't touch them - LMFAO!!!!!

 

you can't make this fucking shit up - so now the Russians are getting the tanks - sure, whatever

 

looks more like checkmate on Europe and Russia - the Russian start firing and the Ukranians start blowing things up

 

communists are such morons - stupidest fucking animals on the planet

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 15:54 | 4886713 robertocarlos
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Whatever = go to hell. Whenever someone says "whatever" to me, I get angry.

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 17:21 | 4887019 soontobeblocked
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Your post would have merit except that it is utterly humorless and devoid of fact.

"you can't use our gas unless you pay us BEEELLLLLIONSSSS!!!!"

caps and repeated letters aside, what that boils down to is, "You can't have our gas unless you pay for it (and pay at less than the market rate btw)."  Do you do business under different terms?  If you say, "yes', then you are a fucking liar (or an idiot).

"but we can run our pipes over your vast land and you can't touch them - LMFAO!!!!!"

Wrong.  The pipes do not belong to RUS.  That's one reason they are looking to build an alternative route to Europe (and the plan is to own them).  In fact, after the last time UKR was ruled (by a Stockholm court) to have stolen gas, one of RUS's offer of settlement terms was for UKR to exchange pipe and depot infrastructure in exchange for some of the debt.  That exchange did not occur. 

That same offer has been made multiple times in the last 2 decades after UKR (the serial thief and deadbeat) stole RUS gas.  (See for example the proposed company Gaztransit).  UKR passed a law prohibiting the sale or privatization of such energy assets.  You are simply wrong.

This is actually a case of 1) UKR failing to make payment to settle a debt (that they voluntarily incurred), and 2) UKR playing the role of roadside bandit after inviting you to traverse the road.  They unilaterally changed the terms of a contact.  Is that your ideal business partner?  Again, if you say "yes", then you are a fucking liar (or an idiot).

You might want to spend more time on facts and less time on caps and exclamation points.  (First you'd also need a point to exclaim).

And with this you are trying to make UKR the good guy and RUS the bad guy?  Utter failure. 

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 14:57 | 4886459 Joe A
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It's summer now. Things will really heat up when autumn and winter come. Until then, enjoy the weather and holidays at the beach. Might be the last good summer for some time to come. Winter could get very cold.

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 13:14 | 4889827 Whatchamacallit
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Or very hot ...

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 18:50 | 4887307 Bingo Hammer
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Israelie/US/British hegemonic "banking, power elite" objectives:

Bring Europe to its knees through Ukraine conflict with Russia

Bring Russia to its knees through similtaneous Ukraine, Syria/Iraq/Turkey conflicts.

Bring China to its knees through similtaneous Japan, Viet Nam, Phillipines, Taiwan conflicts.

Re-configure all the national boundaries of the Mid East using its terror forces ISIS, Al Queda, Xie/Blackwater and then create and control its "directed" history/prohpecy of neo Caliphate.

Set off and direct a huge civil war on US soil (and therefore reasonable decline to provide any real help for many of its alliance partners and thus remain distanced from direct involvement in many conflicts) whilst at the same time arm, fund, train all sides against each other in all conflicts.

Disrupt all energy, food, water, raw resource, medical supplies globally.

Release highly contagious, high mortality viruses across the globe.

Create global mass human die-off and refugee crisis.

And ultimately engineer a "controlled demolition" of all global systems of commerce and trade; break and/corrupt cultural ties between nations and peoples.

Then once suffering, poverty, disease have totally exhausted all sides, introduce a "messiah like" political figure or figures who will champion the only option left for a sick, sorry and broken planet - the NEW "ONE" WORLD ORDER  

 

...but I'm probably very wrong and everything will all settle down very soon and then I can laugh at how crazy I must have been to imagine such things ever happening

Mon, 06/23/2014 - 21:49 | 4887936 Rootin' for Putin
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Shut down all gas flow for a week.   Middle of the night switch it on again at max pressure.  Enjoy pretty explosions as appliances left on fill rooms with gas.

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 06:14 | 4888545 sti100
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from Russia: “We are waiting for the payment for Russian gas.”.....

Hasn't Russia annexed Crimea?  Is not Russia threatening to annex east Ukraine .... the possibility is still there.

.... and Russia is expecting payment for gas (but had stolen Crimea,...) and threatening by tanks, troops ....

Who had taken more from the other one? Who should pay to whom?


Tue, 06/24/2014 - 09:11 | 4888817 localizer
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What I fail to understand is this: if Ukraine is now 'pro-EU' so why the EU is not paying the outstanding Ukrainian bills??? Ukraine might as well turn into a financial Afghanistan for the EU (good luck fighting Ukrainian corruption!), but the Americans are smart, their 'assisstance' to Ukraine has been $500mln (apart from the $5bn of Nudelman cookies earlier...), now they'll let EU 'take the lead', LOL

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 13:27 | 4889869 Whatchamacallit
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I bet the South Stream will be reconsidered shortly.

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