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US Releases Redacted "Due Process Need Not Blink" Memo Justifying Drone Strikes On US Citizens
With the number of drone failures rising domestically and the likelihood of an exponential rise in drone strikes in Iraq imminent; the US federal court has decided now is the time to release the redacted memo justifying the use of unmanned drone strikes on US citizens. ...also recognized that "the realities of combat" render certain uses of force "necessary and appropriate," including against U.S. citizens who have become part of enemy forces-and that "due process analysis need not blink at those realities."
Accident investigation documents show that 47 military drones crashed in the United States between 2001 and 2013 in what the military categorized as Class A accidents — the most severe category.
The Pentagon is planning to expand drone operations to at least 110 bases in 39 states by 2017.
The number of accidents has jumped as the military has brought back drones from overseas and operated them more frequently in airspace shared with civilian planes. The military has almost tripled the number of hours its drones have flown annually in shared U.S. airspace since 2011, according to federal data.
The US federal court releases the excuses for droning Us citizens...
Although in the "circumstances of war," as the Hamdi plurality observed, "the risk of erroneous deprivation of a citizen's liberty in the absence of sufficient process ... is very real,"
...also recognized that "the realities of combat" render certain uses of force "necessary and appropriate," including against U.S. citizens who have become part of enemy forces-and that "due process analysis need not blink at those realities."
Full modestly redacted 'excuse for drone use' memo below:
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"Due process" is too cumbersome for the modern world. The founding fathers would support drone justice.
Moving to Montana is looking better and better.
They are going to send electronic toys that are remote controlled and are armed to the teeth in a nation full of unemployed basement hackers and video game pros?
Yeah this will turn out well. lol.
Their "best" experts hold the equivilant of an 8th grade computer skills.
Bring it indeed..
Funny memo.
Who determines who are 'enemy forces'?
Are TEA party members enemy forces?
Definately the Bundy Ranch and supporters. Harry Reid declared them domistic terrorists! Their names and addresses are known because of automated license plate readers at the event. It would just be too dangerous to send patriotic DHS/HSI SWAT teams to raid the supporters houses, the terrorists have already shown what arsenals they posess. Too bad about their kids that get caught in the Hellfire missle attack, some collateral damage must be expected.
Remember WACO !
And Ruby Ridge
False Flags of 911, Sandy Hook, & The Boston Bombings.
And the Alamo for that matter.
And the Boston Massacre.
Look out for a cyber false flag. To somehow cock up an industry or corporation disfavored by Emperor Obama, and at the same time set up Russia or China as the patsy.
Never forget the laws of "Unintended Consequences".
One day John Q. Public might realize that it's far easier to range a drone pilot, while driving a daily commute, than it is to range an F-16 pilot with traditional arms.
Probably easier to just burn him up in his house while he sleeps actually...
You may be on to something. It might help with the gene pool and that overpopulation problem I keep hearing about.
Hey whoa now. I'm not looking to make my fame for creating a new practice of murdering people here. If I were I would advocate propane tanks and simple timers planted near their cars. Cheap simple and buildable from any local Wal-Mart :-)
I think the pros call it a fuel air explosive, what would I know though, I'm just a peasant.
I think it's funny how these tin pot dictators behave when the means to kill them all are so readily available already. In order for there to be a real dictatorship you need to make sure the populace can not think or figure out a way to defend itself. So you need something like a common standardized educational system so you can control the flow of information and knowledge. Then you just convince them of some completely magical nonsense, so they keep searching for the answer but never can find it because it's bullshit.
obvious wannabe's are obvious.
It doesn't work if people can see through the BS though, no matter how small the group is it will always grow the closer you get to taking over.
Nid, I agree. I'm not promoting/conducting murder. Just pointing out thr obvious hubris of ground based remote jockeys.
I enjoyed your comment, these days though, it seems that we're near the point of thought police. Hell, the chemistry sets we had as kids would likely be a felony to have today. All they were used for then was to get children interested.
Did you here about thr ass-clown setting off soda/vinegar pop bottles in thr theatres? Facing 21 felony charges up to 25yr.
Clash of Clans sounds like it might be a fun game now......
'Merca, fuck yeah!
pods
"Moving to Montana is looking better and better."
I guess that's why it's called Big Sky country.
"Moving to Montana is looking better and better."
they can home in on you'r cell phone it will not help.
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Moving to Montana opportunities
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ialhaxhr7iA
Long dentalfloss...yippyaiokaieheheh..
Are you going to park yourself next to one of those Minuteman silos or just breathe deep downwind.
"Busch new about 9-11, an both party's hour the same"
Patriot Act... You really seem like a stupid fuck. Just sayin'.
Joseph Stalin would have approved that message.
I am proud to live in a time when our politicians have the courage to give judge jury and executioner power to a remote control and just not kick the terrorism can down the road for someone else to deal with.
Apparently people's sarc filter was turned off over the weekend.
Perhaps William will put together a neat picture of a drone with Zirpedge neatly lettered on the side?
zirpedge you look like a skullking low fi alleyway digenerate rapist.
clean yourself up fella.
and I am proud to live in a time where even morons like you can attempt to form words into sentences, no matter how stupid they sound.
You must be a sarcastic red arrow lover.
I got you beat by calling the Putin lovers "Putin's Pussies".
So, sorry I got you beat.
On a more serious note, it is great they actually have the balls to do something, Like save turtles, wonder how many would get missled to save a turtle or some squawfish.
They just setting up for the next Bundy stand-off.....
Everybody please join my new non-profit organization-- Save a turtle.
Bet I could get government contracts to identify potentially destructive people, cows, jeeps, 4-wheelers, horse back riders....
Anybody trespassing on Harry Reid's land....
Just think of the action packed video on the evening news all in the name of environmentalism and climate change.....
Pssssst- That loud-mouthed bitch doesn't believe people caused climate change and watch the bitches house explode.... All we gotta do is a facebook post and the rest is history......
Nothing better than politicians with balls......
"...also recognized that "the realities of combat" render certain uses of force "necessary and appropriate," including against U.S. citizens who have become part of enemy forces"
Does "enemy forces" include domestic terrorists such as Tea Party members, preppers, and whistleblowers?
It includes everyone
who directly or indirectly supports
the "enemy forces" against the US or against US allied "partners" or US "core interests".
All determined in secret of course, as the sources and methods of identifying enemies
are matters of "national security".
Welcome to full-spectrum "security".
(of course, there may occasionally have to be some "collateral damage" as well ... to "keep the troops & police safe")
Of course it does. Any enemy can be called a terrorist and killed outright. Remember this as it will be a good thing when the tables turn.
"...when the tables turn."??
IMO the fight has not yet begun, but will shortly, especially if it looks like a Dem will not remain in the WH. I don't think they care about the House and Senate... Its been proven that these 2 entities do not have any power or control. Nothing as powerful as Exec Orders, controlling the IRS, DOJ, EPA, etc., and as we have seen through precendential law, an awful lot of bad things seem now to be ok.
If it looks like they will lose the WH, watch for the onslaught of EOs, and other things to undo our system of laws, elections and checks n balances in order for them to somehow 'keep' the executive branch.
They will not relinguish the WH.
Spot on Jay28elle
Does "enemy forces" include domestic terrorists such as Tea Party members, preppers, and whistleblowers?
Don't forget journalists like Michael Hastings and his Roman Candle Mercedes.
But you gotta be high profile to go like that. Several of my friends who worked for the government have been "suicided" after they expressed disgust with what the Obama regime was doing to suppress truth.
Thus proving that you not only do not understand those that founded this country, but you also don't undrstand the principles that it was founded upon. Statist morons, meet em everywhere.
amazing. 12 "failures" per year; How does one get FAA approval for such defective devices i nthe first place? It would seem they are a danger in and of themselves!!!
you forgot the, "/sarc"... lol
Well, for our betters to think it's ok to just spy on us... they should remember that we're spying back.... We see what they do and we have a long memory.
There may be a time in this once great country when folks have had enough of this shit.... we're not there yet but, there will probably come a day.
Eric Holder is one bad and corrupt guy. The downfall of the US and it's freedom is due to people like him.
Eric Holder, current attorney general of the United States, managed an FBI operation that provided explosives to Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols just prior to the bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Building in Oklahoma City on April 19, 1995, according to official documents released during the ongoing investigation into government foreknowledge of the supposed terrorist attack.
According to the documentation provided in the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) lawsuit brought against the Department of Justice by Salt Lake City attorney Jesse Trentadue, the Oklahoma City bombing had aspects of being an FBI sting operation that went out of control. Holder had authorized the FBI to provide explosives to Nichols and McVeigh, then lost track of both the explosives and their targets. McVeigh went on to detonate some of the explosives outside the federal building, an act that was designed to help anti-terrorism legislation pass Congress. But an additional case of explosives was unaccounted for.
After the bombing, when the FBI learned the location of the explosives, Holder reportedly sent emails to FBI agents ordering them to recover the explosives before they could be found by some other branch of the government. FBI agents failed to spot the additional, unexploded explosives during an initial search of Nichols’s home and offered to spare him the death penalty if he would help them recover them.
The case of explosives was, however, recovered by another law enforcement agency and was later determined to have the incriminating fingerprints of two FBI agents, as well as fingerprints of McVeigh and Nichols.
Shortly after the bombing, Kenneth Trentadue, a government informant, was murdered in his prison cell. His family has been pursuing legal action against the federal government ever since.
In 2001, in a bid to avoid a full release of documents, the Federal Bureau of Prisons paid a settlement of $1.1M to several members of Trentadue’s family, but his brother refused to drop the investigation and filed a FOIA lawsuit for the missing documents. That suit has been ongoing in the Salt Lake City federal courthouse.
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This whole drone thing just goes on and on.
I see what you did there.
Ha. I see what you did there.
Such remote guided humor....
"The number of accidents has jumped as the military has brought back drones from overseas and operated them more frequently in airspace shared with civilian planes."
The solution is simple, make flying unaffordable and too bothersome for civilians.......... Oh wait.
Who do you suppose gets to name the enemy? That party is God.
Saying God is swearing, saying Obama is prayer.
They specified "in war" and "enemy"...
Congress did not declare war thus no enemy can be defined.
old joke. meanwhile the whole debate is still centered on US Citizens. not US Territory, sovereign or not. no. US Citizens
and even on ZH nobody seems to understand what this really could mean in the future
Oh I'm plenty concerned about it.
It's a straight up hit job if done outside of war...and no, "expanding the theater" to include the whole fucking planet...Stateside included, doesn't wash.
I pisses me off plenty, whether it's a US Citizen abroad or a Pakistani wedding party.
It's absolutely premeditated murder.
I think you missed the point, the easiest way to kill then would be to deny you being a CITIZEN, which is far easier to do once you are already dead.
It's an illegal act... to do anything to a US citizen without due process... doesn't matter what they pass in congress... it's still illegal...
Of course, nobody pays much attention to that anymore... and that's the very thing folks are getting pretty angry about these days.... myself included.... our govt. is too large... our tax laws are too large... our police state it too large... the spying on every one of us is too large.. the lawlessness of this administration is at a level that has never been seen in our lifetime... the banks are out of control.. again... too large...
Hell, name one thing that you touch from the time you wake up in the morning until you get to work that isn't regulated by the federal government in some way... from the water that comes from your shower to how much can be flushed to what's in your bacon or the gas in your car... it's too fucking large....
I find it mildly amusing (in a psychotic kind of way) when people on the one hand can be adamant about the righteousness of the founding documents and on the other hand dismiss summary execution by drone of non-US citizens.
I guess to them God/Creator only endowned certain folks with inalienable rights?
I understand this road we are on Ghordius, as it is only a small leap to killing us. If WE ever become as big a threat to the $FRN's reserve status, we will be treated as the brown skinned man who doesn't want dollars for oil. Probably won't be outright murder, but certainly the apparatus of the state will be brought to bear on us.
pods
I guess to them God/Creator only endowned certain folks with inalienable rights?
Did the founding father extend those inalienable rights they defined in the founding documents to the British invaders? Or did those rights come into existance only upon the creation of the founding documents?
Don't be precious. Were the founding fathers alive today, with full knowledge and understanding of today's world-wide social media and weapons systems status, the "founding documents" they would create would look very different from the ones they did create. To start with, the second ammendment would specify the right to bear machine guns and anti-aircraft weapons, not just arms.
Idiot.
They clearly thought of the constitution as a living thing, clearly outlining the amendment process.
The constitution is very timeless if it is followed, with the proper checks and balances.
Is this followed? NO. You have shit like "executive orders", whatever the fuck that is.
There are many common themes across history. One of them is the consequence of the concentration of power. It's just that in the mid to late 1700's, a group of people had the balls to stand up to that, where as now, 'Merika is full of stupid, lazy people like you. That is why 'Merika is in its current state.
The constitutional republic of the United States of America died in her sleep.
I've heard this theme come up so many times.
What the "our founders were so much better than modern Americans" meme is missing is what the founding fathers actually did and did not do.
Please note, Washington Jefferson Madison Franklin et al DID NOT overthrow any governments!! They declared independence from a geographically remote imperial seat.
What's the difference? Well, looking at the Atlantic Ocean between England and the US, and recognizing the level of technology that existed in the late 18th century for crossing that body of water, it's a huge difference! The founding fathers used the natural geographical advantage they had to great advantage, along with an intelligent ally in the French, and as someone said above, they made it too expensive for the empire to hold on to them. And it wasn't easy even to do that.
What people seem to be expecting today, however, is a much much larger task. To unseat a sitting power structure on its own territory is a very messy process.
Let's look at the Civil War. In that case, the southern leadership attempted to duplicate what the founding fathers had done, but within the same continent. Again, they were still not even trying to remove the sitting power structure, just separate from it. But this time, they didn't have the ocean as a buffer. How'd that work out? They got their asses handed to them, and were forced into a subservient position to the "national" (read Northern) government which lasted decades.
Think also about the French Revolution and the chaos France went through for more than 20 years.
I'm not saying that the founding fathers weren't brilliant and enlightened men. I happen to think they were. But the task now is much more daunting than what they faced, and even were they with us again, they would be the first to acknowledge that this is another kettle of fish from their war.
Give modern America more credit. This job is going to take a while.
Lastly, to complicate matters even further is that the elite cover the entire globe. While the US is at the center (for now), the problem of government being used as a club against the population is true in every corner of the world. The war that needs to be fought now is the war of ideas. While violence is playing a part in that (not cheering or condemning it, just pointing out it's already happening), this truly is the battle for hearts and minds on a planetary scale.
Time will tell.
There is so much "in the box" thinking and wrong facts with your post, I barely know where to begin.
There was a projection of power via the British navy, and soldiers stationed in North America. This was in conjunction with the colonial assembly and governer, which *is* a type of government. So, there was in fact a government that was overthrown (by Washington and the soldiers, not politicians like Jefferson, etc.)
The "Civil War" was not a civil war, but a war of separation. Do some homework and look up the difference. Never-the-less, the south did not have its ass handed to them. It was many a series of bad economic decisions (militarily they were brilliant - far better then that idiot Lincoln and his "commanders") that did them in, especially dealing with the naval blockade.
I could go on, but you need to do your own independent research.
"Give modern America more credit." I'll say it again for those in the cheap seats like yourself - the landscape may be different, but the problem is still the same - concetration of wealth and power and the consequences.
"This job is going to take a while." Yeah, good luck with that. People in 'Merika are largly stupid and lazy. It ain't gonna happen. They will be robbed blindly and after the great reset, the power structure will be largly preserved.
To be honest, I think you and I agree more than we disagree. What I see in your post are differences in interpretation rather than real disagreements in substance.
My point regarding the US War for Independence was that overthrowing a colonial government is not the same as unseating the primary imperial government, which is what would be required now in the US. As to the "Civil War", you and I said exactly the same thing: you) it "was a war of separation" me) "they were still not even trying to remove the sitting power structure, just separate from it." As to the "had their asses handed to them" part of my post, I retract that. I merely meant to say that when they tried to complete a second war of separation following the model of the first, with their enemy now on the same ground, they lost.
As to the concentration of wealth and power and its consequences, I completely agree with you. You didn't have to say it again; it is what this board is largely about, and there aren't many people here who will disagree with you on this point. I also agree that people are being robbed, but I disagree they are blind to the fact. There is a current of anger in this country that is very different from what I grew up with 40 years ago. I have written in another post that the problem isn't that they don't know, but that IMO people don't get serious about rebellion until a threshold is reached in their ability to maintain their basic access to food / shelter. For all the theft that's gone on, because TPTB have managed until now to maintain the welfare portion of the welfare/warfare state at a level where people are still capable of eating under a roof (even if in order to do that they have to sell their souls to the central power structure), the balance of the calculus for the majority of people is that this life for them is better than the risk of direct confrontation with a state that has shown what they are willing to do to those who challenge them.
Long story short, in this case, it's going to take a lot more desperation in the population to achieve getting rid of the oppressing power, because unlike the British in the 1780s, this government is not going to decide it's not worth it.
US citizens need to understand that they are not being governed in accordance with the Constitution- They are being governed in accordance with the Emergency War Powers Act of 1933, which effectively gave the Executive Branch the authority to act in contempt of Congress, so long as the the nation faced an existential threat....
... Even if said threat was the citizenry itself slowly waking up to the reality that they are unwilling subjects to an autocratic oligarchy.
Why else would there be a war on drugs, a war on terror, a war on poverty, and if Michael Bloomberg were President, I'm sure there would even be a war on obesity and soft drinks... ?
Once the Executive Branch is "at war" with ANYTHING, it claims that the Emergency War Powers Act provides the domain for all Executive Branch conduct.
Yep, gotta show the world that we're now willing to go after our own, like we have gone after others in the past.
We're showing the world that the rights of our citizens are no longer protected, and definitely not treasured, by the govt.
We're showing the world that all the American 'powers' or 'greatness' of the past are actually weak and vulnerable.
We're showing the world that we're willing to be as lawless as the worst of the 3rd world nations, and that we will supply arms to the ruthless killing machines. In other words, we no longer value any life - not anyone elses and definitely not our own.
We're showing the world that the greatest economy ever is actually weak and distrustful.
etc...
IMO, it's all part of the progressive movement to tear down America and rebuild it as Frank Davis Marshal spoke to little Obama that the country needed to be like. Cloward and Piven wrote about the need to take down the country before it could be rebuilt as a socialist country. Obama is right on it...
US Citizens gave all thier rights away when they signed the contract , and most of them are to stupid to realise they even signed a contract. So yes they can drone your ass whenever they want , you should of read the contract before you singed it.
the nSSA/uSSA wants to use the notion of "public authority" to justifiy killing its own citizens. Which in turn means some vague notion of democratic "right" should give .gov the "right" to kill people without it being called murder. Welcome to 21st century "democracy" where an elected minority gets to make any kind of shit up it wants to justify its own existence.......there's no way out of this but through a river of blood, eventually, you know this right. I'm not saying participate, in fact the opposite, they want the blodd to justify the means......give them NO means and they can't have your blood. everything has to be done backwards to have any chance at success.
Yes. Let's get a drum circle together. Maybe sing some songs about freedom and peace.
Or...you could see the writing on the wall and look into counter measures.
Technology hamstrings them in the end.
.....see you at the FEMA camp with your bag of counter measures you'll be assigned cot #1....outwit....outlast...or first to build the camp outhouse, your choice LOL
Won't see me anywhere near it.
But I'll be looking at you there through my spotting scope..in the back..behind the bunk house.
You'll be the one with his head buried in the bird pretending this isn't happening and that you are at YMCA day camp.
.....yes you're a crafty ex-ranger killa!! who does a 100 push ups each morning and a big oily pose down in your moms basement bathroom mirror!!! good luck sad sack, maybe tie up the sneakers and go for a jog, big boy!!
And you're an asshole that thinks the US GOV needs a reason to kill you.
...not 'murkan and don't attend muslim weddings, i live on the very outer extreme of north american civilization where 2 ft of ass ripping cold and snow reside october to april and can put 8 hours in the dark over rough terrain carrying at least one of my children between me and anyone i need to. It's fucking cold and dark most of the time and you have to know how to survive overnight in it, a little bitch like you would last half a day tops.
see you on the other side........panty soiler
Then go suck off a polar bear and stop commenting on shit that doesn't concern you, Nanook.
you fucktards trying whatever you can to start WWoar 3.0 does concern me, so my comments are probably more valid than yours seeing as you in essence are one of the 'murikan fucktards......spotting scope.....you are a complete wanker foolboy.......good luck with your republic, twit stick
Prains , So you live in North Dakota too.
it's a variation for sure, just with better roads, teeth, beer, women, rivers and did i say beer
WTF are we all going to do when these creeps are holed up in Cheyenne Mountain and send their army of kill bots and drones to wipe out, you, the unclean? We will be truly fucked then. We are getting to the point were numbers won't matter. Which is of course their goal.
Unless...
Numbers never really mattered and it is more a question of will and tactics?
Should read up on uncle Sun Tzu sometime.
If Iran can bring down a drone......
That mountain would make one hell of a tomb, just sayin.
pods
Magnus, Robot Fighter!
The biggest government lie spewed in the whole al awlaki assassination is that he was involved in operational planning. His only crime against america was inciting others to violence through speech. Yeh, the guy was more than likely a dirtbag, but killing an american citizen for basically speaking out against our government's shitty foreign policy, something we at ZH do daily, is truly frightening.
Who says he is dead
My guillotine says that they didn't redact all the names.
There's money to be made in home defense systems. Starter package includes barrage ballons. Mid tier would be communications jammer for your house lot and water cannon. Upper tier would include home radar and radar guided water cannon.
"Shoot down a .gov drone" has just been added to my bucket list.
Mine too.
It'll take at least a 50 BMG and one hell of a lucky shot.
Bullshit, bet you could bring one down with a couple of microwave ovens.
So like I can send my drone that I built over to .......oh I don't know let's just say Timmy's house and blast him out of bed? And I get a free pass? Cool law!!
Plausible deniability false flag opportunites for everyone.
der drones ares whats makes us der exceptable nasions
drones wars have
day keeps dem folks in yemen safes
days keeps dem folks in iraqi safes
day keeps dem black fellas in africoms safe
and in libyas
days keept dem folks in sebia and croatya safes
dem school kids in afgunistan and pakistun ares reels safes.
so why nots der homelands of freedums.
day should save money by getting walmart to get der china man to make dem so obarme can buy a millions of dem flyin critters.
isis wants to rape your homesteads day want to crucfrys are puppies and kittens.
let der chertoff group and mossad keeps us safe day alone udderstands der arab psychics
terrorists, fat fingers, climate deniers, bitcoin shriekers, tea parties, the homeless, welfare queens, the free shit crowd, gun owners, winter snow, 911 conspiracy theorists, antisemites, putin lovers---convenient scapegoats and fresh meat for the drone strikers bringing freedom and democracy.
i say let the southern poverty law center draw up a drone assassination short list so it will be fair.
Translation: Because we might not have time for due process on SOME occassions, screw it, we'll do any with it on ALL occassions!
These brilliant legal arguments are really above the level of us common folk.
The drone strikes on 9/11 probably gave the government the confidence to scale up their program.
Bush, Clinton and Obama agree: "The World is a Battlefield."
I've always liked the three stooges. Nyuk, nyuk nyuk.
From page 20 of that "memo:"
So, Congress has declared war against terrorists? When did I miss this?
So according to LaFave, Substantive Criminal Lenv § 1O.2(c), at 136; see also State v. Gut, 13 Minn. 341, 357 (1868), citizens of the Global Gulag (as the animals on the Animal Farm) ARE exempt from being droned. Must design a T-shirt that can be read by the joystick jocks...wonder if 'prisoner of conscience' will cut it.
Recently I read/heard the analogy "at the moment we are milking cows, if things get tough we may find ourselves beef cattle" (anyone know who the author is?)
Dead if you do, dead if you dont...
The Story of Your Enslavement
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xbp6umQT58A
Unfuckinbelievable! This isn't for turbans and berkas people, this is for grandpa wearing his Realtree and John Deere hat. Never in my life did I think the government of the United States could become this evil.
get Barry before he gets you
In a country where Federal and State police routeinly execute unarmed citizens with impunity, this does not surprise me.
since obama has aided and abetted ISIL/ussa terrorist self declared enemy/see you in nuevo york,.. can he be DRONED
That and a $1.08 will get you a coffee off of the McDonald's dollar menu.
I am sure that in their goal-seek mentality they can also find a crooked crony judge or two to justify how the usurper in chief can legally use dictatorial powers.
Lots of crashes in New Mexico that hotbed and breeding ground of terrorists...