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From Polar Vortex To Solar Vortex: Globe Suffers Hottest May On Record

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Just when you thought it was safe to leave your shelter and buy a car, buy a home, buy some Caterpillar trucks, and buy a Starbucks; NOAA reports the globe just experienced the hottest May on record... With El Nino looming, we can only imagine the excuses of 'extreme weather' that will rear its ugly head once again in Q2 earnings... though of course all this will be fixed in Q3?

 

 

Source: @NOAA

 

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Tue, 06/24/2014 - 17:48 | 4890911 tmosley
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Why would anyone trust anything put out by these charlatans?  They have been shown to be liars, and lie casually by their own admission.  They have destroyed their credibility on this subject, if not all subjects.

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 17:52 | 4890931 TeamDepends
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You don't care about the polar bears, having to swim for their lives, do you?

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 17:59 | 4890955 Death and Gravity
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While we wait for the agw/cc denialists to pop out of the woodwork...

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 18:05 | 4890967 ZerOhead
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Still nowhere near where the state of the art IPCC CAGW climate models have projected...

http://www.redstate.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/1/files/2013/06/CMIP5-73-mo...

(Actual temps are the blue and red markers)

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 18:09 | 4890988 Death and Gravity
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That didn't take long.

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 18:19 | 4890995 Pinto Currency
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I have some 30 year Treasuries to sell you - special price just for you because you are nice.

 

It is amazing to see readers down arrow a post pointing out that there is bad data in the article.

Neat.

 

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 18:32 | 4891077 Flakmeister
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Looks like it is going to be "Night of the Living Hedgetard"....

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 19:32 | 4891276 max2205
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Cat trucks.....huh?

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 20:42 | 4891491 Harbanger
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There's no denying that climate change has a negative impact on the Moonbat population. 

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 20:53 | 4891528 Handful of Dust
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They forgot to mention the South just had one of the longest and coldest winters on record.

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 22:14 | 4891808 Pinto Currency
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Arctic and Antarctic sea ice extent here - two tabs:

http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/

 

Temperature trends from 2,500 to today:

http://www.longrangeweather.com/global_temperatures.htm

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 22:44 | 4891914 Flakmeister
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Your buddy should publish his deep insight...

But he won't and we both know why, right?

Because it isn't science, but what is a Hedgetard to do?

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BTW, this is the ice you really worry about, the Ice caps on land and they are definately shrinking...

http://www.sciencemag.org/content/338/6111/1183/F5.large.jpg

from

http://www.sciencemag.org/content/338/6111/1183

Care to explain that? 

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 23:10 | 4891961 Pinto Currency
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That will take some time to digest.

In the meantime, the world is a complicated place and there are many facets.

CO2 going from 3.5 parts per 10,000 to 4 parts per 10,000 is not the complete or even the majority of the story - especially when CO2 has so often followed temp increase by 500 years.

Any study of the cyclicality solar output (might be a good place to start).

Another element.

http://www.rtcc.org/2013/09/06/soot-blamed-for-melting-alps-glaciers/

The idea of taxing global warming out of existence as is being promoted by the same clowns that brought us central banking is silly.

 

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 23:47 | 4892060 MEAN BUSINESS
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One Element is sufficient, thanks ; )

6% carbon tax proposed 25 years ago X total carbon = mega$... never collected. How has the cabal failed all these years, hmmm? 

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 00:44 | 4892150 Crawdaddy
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Globa warming is the basis for NWO. It is inherhently anti-human. The promoters of carbon taxes are evil. They don't give a flyiing shit about the climate. They just need this reason to get in our bidness as a gateway to control us. Fuck them.

 

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 00:59 | 4892170 Flakmeister
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That's a good little hedgetard...

Remember it's all a conspiracy that has been in the planing for almost 200 years...

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 01:11 | 4892189 Pinto Currency
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Think.

Don't troll.

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 01:44 | 4892216 MEAN BUSINESS
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Dodge.

don't reply.

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 02:14 | 4892232 Pinto Currency
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You're.

Right.

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 13:19 | 4894079 Crawdaddy
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I guess I have to quit the internet. Flak called me a hedgetard. .

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 14:04 | 4894317 Flakmeister
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It is a treatable condition....

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 20:03 | 4891368 Decolat
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Night of the Divided and Conquered

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 20:14 | 4891376 Mark Urbo
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Looks more like the "Night of Down Clicks" for you Flak

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 20:28 | 4891450 philipat
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Whew...what a relief. We now have an excuse for poor/, lower than forecast, Q2 GDP data. The weather.....

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 20:55 | 4891536 tmosley
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What, EXACTLY, would it take to convince you that AGW is nothing but fudged statistics for certain people to get more money?

Can ANYTHING convince you?

If there is literally nothing that can convince you, then you are no longer in the realm of science.

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 22:48 | 4891924 Flakmeister
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Certainly, a 30 year period of climatic response at odds with the expectations...

Why thirty years? That is the length of time that you need to sure of the statistical significance of any trend. Basic mathematics really...

And Remember that climate science does not predict the exact solar output, that is measured, and it doesn't predict volcanos...

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 00:49 | 4892156 NidStyles
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So who do you work for Flak? 

You say you have a PhD in physics, so who do you work for?

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 00:58 | 4892167 The_Prisoner
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Whose expectations? You lot have been moving the goalposts since the 70's.

 

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 01:01 | 4892174 Flakmeister
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Repeating a lie doesn't make it true...

You are aware that most published papers expected warming like this one from 1975

http://www.skepticalscience.com/lessons-from-past-climate-predictions-br...

Whoops....

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 01:08 | 4892179 The_Prisoner
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There you go projecting again.

Did your papers from the 70's predicted record summer ice in the Antartic? If so why didn't your pal Chris Turney and his offspring expect it?

Do you also take your 10 year old daughter on taxpayer funded climate junkets?

 

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 05:17 | 4892339 NidStyles
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Why can't you answer the simple question Flak?

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 09:30 | 4892844 Flakmeister
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Why can't you understand that I did...

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 18:51 | 4895606 MeelionDollerBogus
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I saw the question properly answered.
This means your eyeballs aren't working correctly.

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 01:12 | 4892191 Ionic Equilibria
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You deniers never cease to amaze me.  The scIence is crystal clear and has been for decades, indeed since Arrhenius.  Over 4 decades ago when I first heard of it and looked into the infrared spectrum of CO2 I knew anthropogenic global warming was a done deal and that nothing, but nothing, was going to stop it.  And so it has come to pass, occurrng faster than I initially thought it would thanks to strong positive feedbacks such as methane release.  

I take it you aren't a scientist.  The idea that climate scientists are making up AGW is roll around on the floor laughable.

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 01:37 | 4892210 malek
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Comedy at it's finest.

Unfortunately reality doesn't seem to comply to your theory, as already demonstrated in 1909.
http://www.biocab.org/Experiment_on_Greenhouses__Effect.pdf
Note that you don't have to believe anything, as you may reproduce those tests yourself.

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 14:06 | 4892947 Flakmeister
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So the USAF got it all wrong in the 1950s' when they were working on heat seeking missiles?

BTW, in your video  they clearly did not follow this introductory level procedure

https://www.pcc.edu/about/events/sustainability-training/documents/co2-a...

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 21:36 | 4896180 malek
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Prebuilt text-block trolling fail?

No video at my link...

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 23:01 | 4896503 Flakmeister
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pdfs as a rule don't have video...

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 23:38 | 4896608 malek
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Good that you recognize that now!

But why did you write
BTW, in your video  they clearly did not follow this introductory level procedure
before?

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 01:08 | 4896671 Flakmeister
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Because it is a very easy measurement to fuck up, that is why...

If it didn't work, why would be part of University lab course?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwtt51gvaJQ

And yes glass green houses have their own special "effect"...

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 01:50 | 4892221 MEAN BUSINESS
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Well said. I'm 'warming up to the idea that you're not on... a payroll!

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 18:49 | 4895595 MeelionDollerBogus
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#1 you'd need to prove real measurements differ from reported measurements. So far no one's ever done that.
#2 you'd need to prove the real measurements show no warming. So far, no one's ever done that.

We ask only for measured evidence. AGW & global warming itself are backed by hard evidence directly measured.

Deniers so far produce no evidence. You produce no evidence. You reference no evidence.

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 20:00 | 4891360 MeelionDollerBogus
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No bad data therefore -1 arrow.

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 18:50 | 4891139 Mark Urbo
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Soon you will joined by Flak - the greatest living shill for the scam of global warming (AGW)...

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 19:22 | 4891243 Flakmeister
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I am flattered....

But it ain't shilling if its the truth...

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 19:36 | 4891288 TeamDepends
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Your timing is tiresome.

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 19:37 | 4891297 Flakmeister
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And your grasp of reality faulty to the point of being childlike...

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 19:43 | 4891311 TeamDepends
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Hey, go ahead and send a check to Gore and buy yourself some carbon credits (laughs out loud).

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 20:54 | 4891535 Flakmeister
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So we agree carbon credits are bullshit...

So you agree that a revenue neutral carbon tax is the way to go?

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 21:23 | 4891630 MisterMousePotato
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If Flak posted, "Water is wet," I would give him an angry downtwinkle and pull out all my drip irrigation.

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 21:47 | 4891730 NidStyles
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So higher CO2 trails the temp, so it must be driving higher temps, right?

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 18:59 | 4891170 MayIMommaDogFac...
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Denialist is a really stupid word.  

Created by way of circle-jerk credentialing -- research it a little bit (including the footnotes ;) )

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 19:54 | 4891347 MeelionDollerBogus
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Denialist is the only word.
You are shown evidence, then you pretend you are blind.
Then you make claims that are opposite of reality like "pause in global warming for 17 years" and expect to be taken seriously?
That's no more truthful than saying we have 5 moons and they're all made of fruitcake.

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 20:44 | 4891493 ATM
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Actually we have been shown propaganda and we deny it. The actual data is a different thing altogether. 

 

I'm not sure about you but as years goes by the past has become cooler. How is that possible? The data is he data isn't it?

 

And the satelite data has shown no discernible warming for 17yrs 9 months. That is over half the record for the satelite data. So where si the warming? Or os the satelite data lying?

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 20:55 | 4891538 Flakmeister
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Would you like to quote the data, fitted trend and confidence interval?

Naw, didn't think so...

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 21:49 | 4891735 NidStyles
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I don't see you doing it either.

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 22:51 | 4891935 Flakmeister
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Here ya go  4654012

Excerpt:

Finally, could you explain the following fitted trends GISTEMP 

1970 to 1997:  0.146 +/- 0.067 C/decade (2 sigma)

1970 to 2014:  0.163 +/- 0.031  C/decade (2 sigma)

If the warming "stopped" why has the rate of warming increased if I add the last 17 years in?

It is mathematically impossible for what you claim to be true...

So shit for brains, what are you going to say now?

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 00:02 | 4892087 NidStyles
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Same thing I said below. You still have not learned how to do a regression properly

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 19:27 | 4895728 MeelionDollerBogus
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Yes he has. It is correct. You are not.

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 19:00 | 4895639 MeelionDollerBogus
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Actually the satellite data shows lots of warming,

Except it has been warming every year compared to when you say it stopped.
http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/2011-temps.html
NASA Finds 2011 Ninth-Warmest Year on Record

http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/2010-warmest-year.html
2010 and 2005 tied for warmest years EVER on record

so it's you pretending the satellite data says something else.

It says WARMING. Shows it clearly.

You say the opposite therefore you are lying.

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 23:18 | 4891992 Dr. Everett V. Scott
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@MDB

 

Here is empirical evidence that global warming stopped 17+ years ago:

http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/rss/from:1997/plot/rss/from:1997.9/tren...

Who should we believe? You?

Or Planet Earth?

Because you can't both be right.

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 18:58 | 4895633 MeelionDollerBogus
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It is not.

Here is the empirical evidence there was no pause for 17 years:

http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/2011-temps.html
NASA Finds 2011 Ninth-Warmest Year on Record

http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/2010-warmest-year.html
2010 and 2005 tied for warmest years EVER on record

Next warmest years are 1998, 2002, 2003, 2006, 2007 and 2009, which are statistically tied for third warmest year.

The GISS records begin in 1880.

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 18:10 | 4890991 Death and Gravity
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Science when you agree with it, propaganda when you don't.

 

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 18:11 | 4890997 Pinto Currency
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False data is false data.

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 18:15 | 4891013 Death and Gravity
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Your opinion is not a falsification criterion.

 

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 19:01 | 4891171 Mark Urbo
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Global Warming (AGW) is a cult religion. Its not science, its a political agenda.

 

Unfortunately, it will degrade the credibility of modern science as it plays out. All the predictions of this cult have not taken place (there has been no warming for 17+ yrs, ice volume is increasing, polar bear population has doubled, extreme weather is 100 yr lows, etc.) and its a failed theory by every measurable scientific method.  The climate models are all wrong and the billions spent on this research has been a waste of time.

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 19:38 | 4891255 Flakmeister
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Making shit up when you have demonstrated zero credibility is a true sign of someone suffering from the DK effect...

BTW, shit for brains, the fitted trend of the GISTEMP and every other temp record from 1970 to 1997 is less than the fitted trend from 1970 to 2014 which would be mathematically impossible if warming stopped when you claim...

Don't believe me, see for yourself...

http://www.skepticalscience.com/trend.php

Face it, you are too fucking stupid to even lie well...

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 22:43 | 4891910 dogbreath
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thats a credible website

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 22:53 | 4891940 Flakmeister
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Load the data from here into excel, assuming you are even capable of doing that...

All convienently gathered here...

http://tamino.wordpress.com/climate-data-links/

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 19:53 | 4891340 MeelionDollerBogus
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Global warming is hard fact measured directly by machinery.
Directly. Zero opinion.
Anti-globalwarming is a pure emotional opinion of people who are rich and drive gasoline guzzlers and KNOW it's causing warming then lie about it KNOWINGLY while smiling at the death of the world's poorest people to crop failures.
No one is a real global warming denier.
Every vocal global warming denier KNOWS GLOBAL WARMING IS REAL and loves the genocide it is causing.

There is no 17 year pause.

Global warming is provably measured directly by machines that has never stopped this entire past 17 years.

http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/2011-temps.html
NASA Finds 2011 Ninth-Warmest Year on Record

http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/2010-warmest-year.html
2010 and 2005 tied for warmest years EVER on record

"the next warmest years are 1998, 2002, 2003, 2006, 2007 and 2009, which are statistically tied for third warmest year. The GISS records begin in 1880."

Your words of cult religion are YOUR CULT RELIGION. To claim there is no warming is to deny every thermometer on Earth for the past 30 years and pretend they were all made of cheesecakes and leprechauns playing tricks on the silly humans.

Your words are that of pure insanity but your intentions are of pure evil.

You know global warming is real. You LOVE it.

You KNOW it will kill even more crops and cause mass starvation and you LOVE IT because you want the killing to continue.

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 19:55 | 4891350 overmedicatedun...
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may was below normal in my neck of the woods, but perhaps thankfully I do not live on the same planet as AGW fans, cause somthin aint right alice with dem boys constant worrying about weather is somewhat unmanly don't cha think Hon?

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 20:17 | 4891404 jmc8888
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http://www.naturalnews.com/045695_global_warming_fabricated_data_scienti...

 

You mean data from this NASA caught altering weather data?

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 20:57 | 4891546 Flakmeister
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The street guys hustling 3-card Monte refer to people with your critical eye as "Marks".....

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 21:06 | 4891574 Calmyourself
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And we refer to you behind your back of course as a wannabe Lysenko..

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 22:45 | 4891917 dogbreath
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or simply as the cunt

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 22:55 | 4891944 Flakmeister
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Hedgetard, is that the best you can do?

\Zzzzzzz

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 23:28 | 4892013 dogbreath
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Jim Cramer

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 20:22 | 4891417 A Nanny Moose
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What machines, precisely?

I will take global warming any day of the week, and twice on Sunday. It's better than the ground being covered in all the white shit.

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 20:25 | 4891435 MeelionDollerBogus
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Thermometers & infrared cameras.

And no, when global warming is complete you will take nothing but starvation.

That "white shit" is WATER and it's NEEDED. Snowpack is what brings water to the fields before the rain, and without the water in the soil your crops of wheat and corn DIE. You starve.

Fucking idiot.

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 21:46 | 4891724 Lonewar
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No, the White Shit is SNOW, and when it sticks around long enough it transforms into ICE, and when that builds up enough, its called a Glacier. Those things happen during ICE AGES. ICE AGES are BAD, Ice Ages cause a massive decline in bio-diversity. Ice Ages cause a Massive Decline in the amount of Food that can be grown as it is REALLY FUCKING HARD to grow food on a mile thick piece of ice.

MDB wannabe, your ignorance is massive, and potentially LETHAL to BILLIONS of people. Later on in this thread you state that you want to end the Gasoline Engine, because, maybe, just maybe, in 50 to 100 years, it will cause warming that will force people to move.

Meanwhile, if you got your wish, and we stopped ALL oil, coal, and gas powered motors tomorrow, within 60 days about 4 BILLION people WILL be dead, mostly of starvation. Learn modern farming techniques, they require ENORMOUS amounts of oil, coal, and gas to work. Oil to till the fields, oil to plant the fields, gas and coal to bring water to the fields, oil to dust the fields with poison so the bugs dont destroy the crop, oil to harvest the fields, oil to move the raw food items to processing facilities to make them edible (Husking and shelling wheat, oats, rye, processing soya beans, etc.), gas and coal to operate that processing facility, more oil to move that processed food to either further processing or to a distribution point, gas and coal to operate that distribution point, oil to get the food from the distribution point to the individual, gas and coal to cook that food.

If you kill the oil, gas, and coal engine, you kill MOST of the world. There is NOT enough viable farmland in the world, without oil, gas and coal, to feed the world anymore. MOST of the world depends on others for their food. Very few peoples are still self sufficient enough to feed themselves without gas, oil or coal. And seeing as how you have access to the internet, I will bet that you are NOT one of those peoples. Even if you have a back yard garden, do you have the oxen around to till it? How good are you at plowing with a wooden plow? No gas, oil, or coal, NO More Steel, or copper, or damn near anything else. Think back to the 1200s for a preview. But you are worried about Anthropomorphic Global Warming, which means you cant even use charcoal to make your metals, because that involves chopping down trees, and burning them thus releasing their sequestered CO2 back into the atmosphere. So better go back to 10,000 BC. Congratualtions, you now get flint weapons, fur for clothing, NO fire, and the world will support about 10,000,000 people, maximum. Have fun with that...

But, of course, as one of the ones who pointed out what is going to happen, you get a special place amoungst those 10 million, right?

Here is a hint, the single best thing to EVER motivate a human being is an empty stomach. Some of them get so motivated when they have that, they are willing to kill others to fix it... It sure would be a shame, if you, as one of the prophets of global warming, got killed by another human being. Not because you had food, but because you WERE food...

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 22:56 | 4891945 Flakmeister
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Put down the bottle of stupid sauce...

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 23:24 | 4892003 dogbreath
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as usual you are drinking doubles of the cunt liquor

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 13:24 | 4894102 MeelionDollerBogus
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You are the dumbest dumb fuck that ever fucked a fuck.
Earth won't see another ice age for over 500000 years.

Global warming deniers help murder the ENTIRE PLANET.

Once the crops die off for good there will be a loss of at least NINETY PERCENT OF ALL HUMANS and from there, probably full extinction. Global warming will remove all humans from earth in under 200 years flat.

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 21:45 | 4891721 Jerome Lester H...
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Your statement is just plain stupid.

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 22:57 | 4891947 Flakmeister
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No, it was clearly beyond your grasp...

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 23:23 | 4892002 Dr. Everett V. Scott
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Who should we believe? Flakmeister??

Or Planet Earth?

Because they can't both be right.

Planet Earth is saying:

http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/rss/from:1997/plot/rss/from:1997.9/tren...

The sawtooth is CO2, the declining line is the temperature trend.

Isn't it amazing that the religious True Believers in Algore's church keep sayin' that "carbon" is gonna getcha? Planet Earth — the ultimate Authority — is clearly saying they are full of crap.

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 01:06 | 4892177 Flakmeister
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Did you figure out how to get errors?

You can do it here...

http://www.skepticalscience.com/trend.php

Tell us how significant the trend is....

Now do the fit for 30 years.....

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 00:56 | 4892162 fencejumper
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I think he was referring to Lonewar's, not yours Flakmeister.

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 00:56 | 4892164 fencejumper
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I think he was referring to Lonewar's, not yours Flakmeister.

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 18:16 | 4891018 TeamDepends
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She blinded me, with science....

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 18:24 | 4891049 Reaper
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Local Data: My lilac just bloomed three days ago. The latest ever for 20+ years of that plant.

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 19:48 | 4891324 MeelionDollerBogus
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Actually it's worse. The models predicted temperatures cooler than they have been but both model and measured reality are increases, proving global warming.

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 21:43 | 4891710 Implied Violins
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I beg to differ - and so does Burt Rutan:

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/01/23/burt-rutan-this-says-it-all-and-says-it-clear/

And then there is this, about Antartica actually GAINING ice mass:

http://www.sott.net/article/279216-Antarctica-is-it-melting-or-not-Man-made-global-warming-cant-explain-this-climate-paradox

This subject has become political because of the carbon BS.  Scientists with anti-GW stances are being ostracized, fired, and even physically threatened for their views, even when their science is sound.  See:

http://judithcurry.com/2014/05/14/lennart-bengtsson-resigns-from-the-gwpf/

WE ARE HEADING INTO AN ICE AGE.  There is NO correlation between CO2 and temperature - if you don't believe that first chart on Rutan's page, look at the six or more other ones in the comments section showing the SAME THING.  Personally, I do believe that the internal combustion engine is an evil, polluting POS that should be put out to pasture...but there is NO CORRELATION BETWEEN CO2 and TEMPERATURE.  If we have had a reprieve, it's because of those idiots who are doing geoengineering - which will in the end make matters MUCH worse.

 

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 23:01 | 4891954 Flakmeister
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Burt really should publish some real science...

OpEd pieces at WUWT are only for the Hedgetards to feel better and have next to nothing to do with reality...

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This guy is the creme de la creme of Hedgetards as he seems to deny that C02 is a greenhouse gas...

Something that was demonstrated in 1850s and directly verified for the earth by satellite in 1970, with the changes from 1970 measured directly in 1997 by satellite...

 

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 23:29 | 4892017 Implied Violins
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I found this chart at WWUT, and it shows pretty convincingly that CO2 lags temperature change:

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/01/30/co2-temperatures-and-ice-ages/

I also found a similar chart here (since I agree Burt Rutan isn't exactly an expert in the field):

http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/last_400k_yrs.html

CO2 increase lags temperature increases by up to 800 years, as shown by detailed studies of the Vostok ice cores.  Yes, CO2 does have an effect on temperatures, but changes in solar radiation and solar cycles may be the ultimate driver of climate change, with such changes ehanced by the later release of CO2 from the seas and tundra into the atmosphere.

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 00:03 | 4892085 Flakmeister
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Wow, why didn't you find a peer reviewed paper on the topic?

Did you even try? Didn't think so...

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v484/n7392/full/nature10915.html

The money plot here:

http://www.skepticalscience.com/pics/ShakunFig2a.jpg

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The above is a direct measureement of the last Milankovitch cycle before we started having a tiny effect via land clearance...

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 00:45 | 4892151 NidStyles
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@$32 a shot nonetheless too. That's Science you can really feel like you are contributing to..

 

Egads, the scam is so obvious.

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 01:19 | 4892196 The_Prisoner
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120 year lag?! So that rules out any warming from the late part of the 20th centure being due to CO2 human activity since the 1st industrial revolution.

 

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 11:25 | 4893446 Flakmeister
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Didn't read too closely did you? 

"Lag correlations from 20–10 kyr ago suggest that the modelled global temperature lags CO2 concentration by 120 yr, which is within the uncertainty range of the proxy-based lag."

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 05:03 | 4892325 NidStyles
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Which I have no doubt is just as unbiased and filled to the brim with nonsense. 

 

BTW, you say you're on the east coast and posting these replies at 3 am...

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 11:26 | 4893453 Flakmeister
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Having trouble with that timestamp thingie?

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 14:57 | 4894595 fallout11
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Mathematics was never his strong suit.

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 19:55 | 4895824 MeelionDollerBogus
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Rejected. wattsup has already been caught putting out false data at least 3 times, by me PERSONALLY and I commented on other articles here on zh showing it.
wattsup is hereby unable to post truthful data or articles at all.
Source rejected at all times.

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 22:00 | 4891773 swass
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This reply is buried so deep you can't tell what I am replying to.

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 00:04 | 4892090 Flakmeister
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Zerohead peddling dreck from Roy Spencer...

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 18:03 | 4890968 Calmyourself
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Umm, lying scum using polar bears to get the all encompassing government their oh so weak souls cry out for..

http://www.climatedepot.com/2014/05/31/scientists-admit-polar-bear-numbe...

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 18:27 | 4891063 TeamDepends
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If you are talking about us just know that some of our polar bear pals were offered six figures by Blood & Gore to make a phony GW ad whereby they would "act" like they could not swim.  In water.  When the film crew arrived they were mauled to death, all slow like.  If you want to get angry at the evil forces who are purposely messing with our habitat, look no further than the sky where these motherfuckers are dumping tons of aluminum and barium in the stratosphere on a daily basis.

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 19:28 | 4891259 Flakmeister
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Got any Depends to deal with that verbal diarrhea you are suffering from?

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 19:34 | 4891285 TeamDepends
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Yeah, they're all contrails, right flakky?

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 19:49 | 4891327 Mike in GA
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TD...would you direct me to what you consider an authoritative source of info on chemtrails?  I do not believe it but there sure seems to be a lot of specific info regarding spewing various metals out here and more and more people seem to embrace it as fact.  I'd just like to like to find a credible source.  As yet, I've not seem one.  Tx

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 20:31 | 4891457 TeamDepends
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Mike, we have spent too much time here today and need to go but we don't want to leave you hanging.  First of all, "chemtrails" is the slang term.  Google/search engine  "geo-engineering" for official explanations of what they "might have to do in the future", but are actually doing now hoping you won't notice.  There are many websites dedicated to the subjuct and at least one documentary-  "What in the world are they spraying".  But better yet use your own eyes and judgement.  Not sure how old you are, but when we were kids jets NEVER, repeat NEVER left trails across the sky because if so people would have been up in arms that jets were polluting.  Watch the sky.  Why do some jets leave no trail, while others leave a trail that not only lasts but spreads, often in conjunction with others that are working in-sync to make a checker board pattern in the sky which blots out the sun!!!!!!  How can this be good?  Tired, if this is insufficient find us again and we will try harder. 

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 20:38 | 4891479 Flakmeister
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So what were those things in the sky in WWII? You know, the trails left by the planes?

Are you that self-delusional?

 

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 21:47 | 4891727 Implied Violins
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Don't believe in chemtrails?  Well, what if you were to hear from someone who worked in the sytem?

https://jhaines6.wordpress.com/2014/05/26/kristen-meghan-geoengineering-whistleblower-speaks-at-the-save-li-forum-hd/

She's quite easy on the eyes, too boot :)

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 23:05 | 4891963 Flakmeister
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So how do keep everyone else quiet?

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 23:37 | 4892037 Implied Violins
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They aren't all quiet.  The MSM just buries them...or the CIA does it literally.  Here's a former FBI chief who came out about chemtrails on YouTube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gR6KVYJ73AU

Some claim that he was 'offed' not long after coming out about these secrets - but the guy *was* 82, so take that with a grain of salt...

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 00:07 | 4892093 Flakmeister
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Wow.... why did let this one talk at a Save the Long Island Sound meeting?

Was that really the best place to "spill the beans"?

\facepalm....

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 21:11 | 4891586 Calmyourself
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Hey dude, get off my side on MMGW until you can tell me how the elites and their children are immune from these trails?  Flak and meelion booger eater both think they will end up on top the shrinking economic pie so they're good, but no elite immunity explanation and your " chem trail theory" falls apart..

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 22:43 | 4891909 john39
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They are insane.  Or did you miss that.

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 23:06 | 4891969 Flakmeister
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At least I believe that the Earth is older than 6000 years...

Do I have to go over that again with you?

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 00:42 | 4892146 NidStyles
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Since when is science about belief?

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 10:54 | 4893290 forensicator
Wed, 06/25/2014 - 15:03 | 4894619 fallout11
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I call bullshit, I was a kid in the 1950's and yes, there were trails in the sky left by aircraft then. 
Further, I work in the aviation industry, and yes, ALL engines can and do produce water vapor as a byproduct of combustion.  You see it coming out of your car's tailpipe on a cold morning, too. Same thing. At 30,000 feet, it is cold enough for the water vapor to condense into a trail-like "cloud". There is footage of propeller-driven aircraft from WW2 producing the same.

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 19:09 | 4891199 midtowng
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Science is not an obstacle for the climate-change denialists

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 19:47 | 4891322 MeelionDollerBogus
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That's right. They need only point out that the solar system is warming equally everywhere, that the earth is cooling, that the moon is made of green cheese and unicorn farts are plant food.

And we're beat.

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 20:28 | 4891444 jmc8888
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Fudging data and crafting it into faulty computer models has never been, and never will be science in any field.

So where is the science of Climate change? I only see statistical tricks, and the tricks they have are so bad, they still need to fudge the data they use.

 

I have yet to see a single anthropogenic climate change supporter not only fail realize the above, but prove without the use of computer models or statistical trickery anything regarding climate change.

 

All climate change fearmongers prove is they know NOTHING about science.  Because you can't use tricks and guess and call them science. Yet all alarmists do is say we don't know science, when in reality THEY don't.

You believe in a fantasy predicated on tricks, guesses, and data fraud that when run to it's conclusion will benefit the oligarchs and the expense of all others... no wonder why they push for it so much.  After all they created the meme, here's looking at you British Monarchy.

When did science turn into faulty mathematics? When the British Monarchy fooled enough people to do so, around 1900.

So when the same people created 'global warming', rule the markets, fund terrorists, start the wars, conduct the spying, so on and so forth, you really must conclude it is planned.

They plan to inundate us and dumb us down so much, that everyone will forget that statistics aren't science.

You know the weather man is wrong?  Why wall street analysts are wrong? Why so many people are wrong with their estimations?  Because statistical modelling has never been, and never will be, science.

 

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 20:40 | 4891489 Flakmeister
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Since when is is linear least square estimator of the trend or something similar a "trick"?

Its very clear that *you* have been dumbed down....

 

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 21:56 | 4891757 NidStyles
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Here let me dumb this down for you Flak.

 

When you chart using a regression, you should be averaging everything within the same scalar. Then your resolution can not alter your end results. That's something you should learn to do and then figure out what exactly it means. 

 

You're a smart chap, I'm sure you can figure it out if you apply some of that good math you learned in school. 

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 23:09 | 4891976 Flakmeister
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The word salad Hedgetard rides again....

When you chart using a regression, you should be averaging everything within the same scalar. Then your resolution can not alter your end results. 

 

I don't know what is more sad, you or the 2 guys (beside yourself) that upvoted you...

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 00:06 | 4892091 NidStyles
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2?

 

The day when you start understanding what meaningful and non-meaningful information means over a specified time period, and then learn why it's something that is important for something as simple a regression, is the day that I think you will finally understand why it is that so many people laugh at the AGW crowd. 

I count 4 upvotes as of this posting, and why would I upvote myself? You will figure it out some day, or you will be left behind like all of the rest. 

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 00:08 | 4892097 Flakmeister
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Did you want balsamic or a raspberry vinagrette with that?

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 00:39 | 4892140 NidStyles
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Still waiting for you to tell me who you work for. 

Not that I think you will have an answer that is any more impressive than your clear inability to do simple algebra. 

 

Here let me lay it out for you in an easy to understand manner in plain English:

 

You have data that starts here:

100 years ago.

You add in high average ranges from starting about:

30 years ago. 

See what you just did? You created a change in resolution within your scalar that would create a higher average. You can't plot that in any accurate fashion unless you keep both data sets separate. If you plot the 100 year old dataset and the 30 year old dataset separately, there are clear trends, and they are both averaging down. 

That is how statistics is done in reality, and it only requires a simple regression. 

 

Global warming, as a result of accurately doing the math that so many of you so called enlightened ones can't seem to do properly, is not actually real. 

This is why I left Academia in the first place. It's loaded to the brim with the same sort of idiocy.  

 

 

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 01:13 | 4892193 Flakmeister
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Who was it here that said that you are a couple of deviations short of a mean...

Yep, sounds about right...

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 05:15 | 4892327 NidStyles
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Learn to do a simple regression properly and I will believe you have a PhD PROFESSOR. 

Maybe not though... You keep talking to yourself as if someone important is listening, you just don't seem to understand that you lost this argument the second you assumed you knew who you were talking to a year ago when it first started. 

 

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 09:12 | 4892762 Flakmeister
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I provided links to the data, why don't you show us all...

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 14:11 | 4894364 MeelionDollerBogus
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who do YOU WORK FOR?
If you're not offering you need never ask anyone else.

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 14:06 | 4894324 MeelionDollerBogus
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I use regression all the time in my scatterplots, for example:
USLV slide 1 http://flic.kr/p/o4JG8d
USLV slide 2 http://flic.kr/p/o6Ed53
USLV slide 3 http://flic.kr/p/nPhtjC

What you wrote is gibberish.
Flak knows what he's doing, as do I.
AGW is proven. Denialists have no evidence. None.

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 21:36 | 4891681 crunchyfrog
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And this is different from Austrian economics how?

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 13:58 | 4894283 MeelionDollerBogus
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Wow, I think you forgot to mention we should raise EBT and add a debate about abortions.

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 13:52 | 4894255 MeelionDollerBogus
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Literally every word you wrote is opposite of reality.
ALL AGW supporters have SOLID DATA to prove the warming and LIVE MEASUREMENTS to keep proving it.
It is only the deniers that have fudged the data.
And that dumb fuck at East Anglia.
But one thing's for sure: every person claiming a 17 year pause in global warming has lied and provided a) no data or b) fudged data.

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 21:58 | 4891764 btdt
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tulip builbs were not an obstacle to mania

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 20:10 | 4891386 jmc8888
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Wow new reports of more fudged data, this time from NOAA and NASA

 

http://www.naturalnews.com/045695_global_warming_fabricated_data_scienti...

 

Just remember folks, green fascism was created by the British Monarchy.  Quaint that the 'solution' of cap and trade commingles fraud upon fraud.

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 20:17 | 4891402 kchrisc
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"While we wait for the agw/cc denialists to pop out of the woodwork..."

For argument sake assume that the BS of AGW/CC is real.

When in the history of the world has giving the criminals of government more power and more of your labor and product accomplished anything other than more poverty, misery and death?!

 

"I'd rather burn free, than die in some mud field ditch behind a FEMA camp."

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 20:22 | 4891415 MeelionDollerBogus
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When has ADMITTING AGW meant GIVING POWER TO GOVERNMENT?
The day we ADMIT AGW is the day we SHUT DOWN THE GAS & OIL powered bankster-armies of government.
AGW is admitted, global warming is stopped and the mafia governments are JAILED.
They each require happening simultaneously, you idiot.

To deny AGW caused by the Banksters, the Oil Monarchies and Emperors is to raise your jailors up as your gods.

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 20:40 | 4891488 jmc8888
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Wrong both ways.

Since the enemies you seem keen on destroying own both sides of the equation, and since the plans of 'cap and trade' will also be owned and profited by those you seek to destroy, you may well notice that the people you seek to destroy won't be destroyed at all, but actually be bolstered by such a change.

Meanwhile, everyone else who utilizes the crude forms of power we use, will die by the billions in order to implement.

These people you want to destroy, have said many times their goal is depopulate the planet to 500million to 1 billion, and they plan to use market based global warming based functions to enable that.

So in essence your desired course will not only backfire, it will actually enrich the very people you want destroyed, while everyone else pays the idiotic and genocidal price of following a plan created by those you seek to destroy.

If you want to destroy them, implement Glass-Steagall, and many of the frauds their 'wealth' rests on will evaporate.

Glass-Steagall

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 13:42 | 4894189 MeelionDollerBogus
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Utter nonsense.
First of all the plans of the elite are to EXPAND the population, never de-populate.
Overpopulation makes minion-slaves aplenty.
Under-population deprives the elite of all their power as they'll have to pay ANY WAGE DEMANDED and will have ZERO slaves.
None.
SECOND, there shall be NO CAP AND TRADE.
The entire concept was a FUCKING FARCE JOKE to make you look the wrong way while they robbed you of actual money you already had.
You fucking fell for it.

Glass Steagall?

YOU FUCKING MORON.

You want to unburn the fire.

It's GONE.

Glass Steagall can't exist anymore because ALL THE FUNDS ARE STOLEN and the money itself  IS FAKE FIAT.

You have to actually break out the GALLOWS, no more Glass Steagall.

GALLOWS. HANGING TREES. SOKKOMB. Guillotines.

That is the only way forward.

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 20:56 | 4891540 Van Halen
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NOAA is crap. Never believe a goddamned word they say any more. If you want to hold on to this fairy tale about global warming and climate change, you need to ask yourself why NONE of the predictions of these doom and gloom environmentalist wackos have come true yet. And I mean, NONE. Not one.

They've been caught red-handed messing with the statistics. No cities underwater. No food riots. No resources running out. No mass extinctions. No population explosions leading to all of the previously mentioned. No domed cities. No eating soy all day because nothing else is left. No running out of space. No running out of oil, or gas, or anything else. Solar and wind are still a ferocious waste of time. I've been hearing this crap for decades and it all leads to one thing. The top .0001% living the lives they please while the rest of us are forced to change our lifestyles and keep them rolling in money and power.

 

Climategate.com

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 21:03 | 4891562 Van Halen
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It stuns me how many people here will say the media, banking, entertainment, religious, and politicai leadership are all liars. But the minute this global cooling/global warming/climate change/hot/cold/wet/dry scare machine goes into action, you guys are all for it, insisting that the world is going to end tomorrow and in fact, has already started ending.

Wake the hell up! Climate change is put out by the same people that all the other BS we talk about is put out by. And for the same reasons: To increase THEIR share of MONEY AND POWER while decreasing ours.

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