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Pro-Russian Separatists Down Ukraine Chopper As Putin Revokes Right To Military Intervention

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In a rather stunning step for the West's propaganda machine, 'devil-incarnate' Putin has asked the Russian parliament to revoke the right of military intervention in Ukraine. As The BBC reports, Vladimir Putin's move was aimed at "normalising the situation" in the conflict-torn eastern regions of Ukraine, his press-secretary said. Ukraine added that this move was a "first practical step" towards settling the crisis in the east. Presidential spokesman Peskov said the move was linked to Monday's launch of talks between Kiev and separatist leaders in the east (with the case-fire deadline ending Friday). One can only wonder, why now? for Putin's gesture of peace? Cold showers enough in Kiev? Or is it that oil prices are high enough to help thanks to the Iraq situation and his Syrian 'aid' is needed as Ukraine festers?

Via The BBC,

Russia's president has asked parliament to revoke the right of military intervention in Ukraine, where rebels have been fighting government troops.

 

Vladimir Putin's move was aimed at "normalising the situation" in the conflict-torn eastern regions of Ukraine, his press-secretary said.

 

The parliament authorised Mr Putin to use force in Ukraine on 1 March.

 

Ukraine said Mr Putin's latest move was a "first practical step" towards settling the crisis in the east.

 

In a statement, Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko stressed that this came after Mr Putin had officially supported Kiev's peace plan, which involved a ceasefire.

 

...

 

On Tuesday, presidential spokesman Dmitry Peskov said Mr Putin had sent a letter to the upper house of parliament, the Federation Council, asking to revoke the right of military intervention in Ukraine.

 

Mr Peskov said the move was linked to Monday's launch of talks between Kiev and separatist leaders in the east.

So we have until Friday (when the cease-fire ends) to see whether this lifting of military force will stay and to figure out Putin's sudden 'Mr. Nice Guy' game plan. This may be problematic considering moments ago this happened:

  • UKRAINE MILITARY HELICOPTER DOWNED NEAR SLAVYANSK, SKY SAYS
  • UKRAINE REBELS DOWN ARMY COPTER, KILLING ALL ON BOARD: AFP

From Reuters,

A Ukrainian helicopter used for carrying military cargo was brought down by rebel fire near the town of Slaviansk in eastern Ukraine on Tuesday and nine people were feared dead, a government forces spokesman said.

 

Asked about reports that a helicopter had been shot down, the spokesman, Vladyslav Seleznyov, said: "Yes. It was brought down".

 

Asked about dead, he replied: "There was a three-man crew, in all nine people (on board)."

 

Dmytro Tymchuk, a military analyst known to have good sources in the armed forces, said the helicopter had been brought down by a missile fired from a shoulder-held launcher.

 

He confirmed 9 people had been killed, according to preliminary information.

One can't help but wonder at the timing and theater of it all... Who stands to benefit from ending the cease-fire in such a gratuitous manner?

 

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Tue, 06/24/2014 - 11:24 | 4889415 pods
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Bold move on the grand chessboard.  I wonder what # will be the USA reply?

#concede

#KnockingOverYourKing

pods

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 11:27 | 4889431 NotApplicable
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What cease-fire?

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 11:30 | 4889448 Volkodav
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Exactly.....Kyiv has not stopped shelling civilian centers at all.

 

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 11:44 | 4889509 Gmpx
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You will be amazed when after all the fighting Russians and Ukrainians will be brothers again.

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 11:53 | 4889544 ENTP
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"You will be amazed when after all the fighting Russians and Ukrainians will be commrades again".

 

Fixed it for you....

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 11:59 | 4889565 economics9698
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Putin is smart.  You don’t go to war if you don’t have to.  Wars are messy and unpredictable.  You sell people armaments and let them do the fighting.

He is winning the informal war, easily, over the idiots in the USA, why screw it up with a hot war? 

When the other side is destroying themselves why interfere?

Kill the dollar, kill Zionism, align with China, Europe will move away from the USA, let the USA fight their second civil war.  Mission accomplished.

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 12:03 | 4889589 MeMongo
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Not a damn thing to add to that!

Spot on!

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 12:43 | 4889735 Pinto Currency
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Western rigged markets are heading into turmoil / collapse and politicians are desperate for military conflict to spread the blame.

Putin knows he just needs to wait.

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 13:06 | 4889796 Latina Lover
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There is speculation amongst some analysts that the USSA has given Ukraine tactical nukes.  If this is so, this may explain some of Putin's hesitation. For the USSA satanists, a local nuclear exchange that destroys both countries is the ideal outcome.

http://govtslaves.info/big-power-plays-rothschilds-rockellers-leave-puti...

 

BTW, I don not necessarily buy What Ben Fulford has to say, since I think the idea of arming Ukraine to attack Russia via Nukes is insane,  but it is a rather clever variant strategy for encircling Russia with a  so called missile shield. Our Criminal Elites are crazy enough to try...

 

 

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 13:31 | 4889886 Vampyroteuthis ...
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Why commit soldiers to danger when your rebels are winning? This is a classic move by Putin making the west's propaganda a whole lot harder.

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 13:59 | 4889968 ebear
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Not to worry. Russia has captured UFO technology that can neutralize the threat.

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 16:22 | 4890607 SameAsItEverWas
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The only "tactical nukes" which might possibly be used in Ukraine would be decrepit and uselessly dangerous Soviet ADMs that got stolen after the Berlin Wall came down.

That was 25 years ago. Nuclear weapons require a great deal of careful maintenance, over and way above the simple replenishment of their tritium, with its 12-yr halflife and the inevitable leakages.

Around 1990 the U.S. declassified the fact that all, or every single damn one, of our nuclear weapons require tritium for their operation.  Adding the earth-penetrator mission to the B-61 was the only significant change to our stockpile since them, and the Mark 61 could never be considered a "tactical weapon."  Without sufficient H-3 they just won't work as designed.

There might be French or Soviet designs for ADMs that don't require H-3.  But there's also the "peanut butter syndrome" which has affected some pit metallurgies.  Pu has a large number of different solid states.

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 13:06 | 4889802 tonyw
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he has asked for  now if the russian parliament refuse to cancel the permission due to popular anger within russia at what is happening (and they are not only watching the western media with its one sided view, they are seeing thousands of refugees and hearing first hand about the shelling) putin cannot be accused of being a dictator, well he can but not quite so clear to the sheeple.

 

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 14:05 | 4889983 ebear
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Since when does the US govt. pay any attention to a democratic vote?

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 12:07 | 4889611 lasvegaspersona
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To paraphrase Eisenhower: War is man's greatest folly and those who promote it or do not avoid it when they can are a black mark on all humanity....maybe Putin is just ...ya know...kinda normal???

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 12:10 | 4889623 Yes We Can. But...
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"Kill the dollar, kill Zionism, align with China, Europe will move away from the USA, let the USA fight their second civil war.  Mission accomplished."

Concisely done!

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 12:35 | 4889698 NOZZLE
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Because I wanted to see the chocolate king PorkChopo shitting blood in the street while a Russian downloads a greenade into his chest.

The so called ukraine military, which is composed of women killing cowards, would have folded up like a cheap beach chair under Moochie's horse sized ass.

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 13:03 | 4889782 Joe Tierney
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Yep, Pooty's a smart player all right. He's really got Ukraine by the balls - they cannot win. He can create a quagmire for the U.S. and Europe in Ukraine - turning the tables on them - they thought to stick Russia with the quagmire.

 

Russia is better at the proxy wars than the West is - especially under the leadership of B'Foon Obalma and his gay band of euro-dunces. He's got the West on massive overreach and he's maximizing the pain all around for them. Pooty's gonna 'burn out their fuses' pretty soon. I can already smell the smoke.

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 21:26 | 4891639 Pal
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Nailed it, nice work.

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 12:04 | 4889594 potato
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Russians hate Ukrainians and think they are stupid. The Ukraininans feel the same way towards the Ruskies.

The Ukraininans also hate the Russians for historical reasons.

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 12:12 | 4889627 lasvegaspersona
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Lots of former members of the Soviet do not care for Russians. I was in the USSR (former Czechoslovakia) in 1989, September. The Czech people viewed Russians like to world does the ugly American. Russians had money and were bossy. Civilians just hushed up when civilian Russians entered the bar....thought someone farted...had to ask what was going on...

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 14:35 | 4890146 roadhazard
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So how did they know he was Russian, was his zipper down?

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 12:26 | 4889677 Gmpx
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The Russia-Ukranian conflict is a family fight between old husband and wife which will end up in bed by the night.

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 12:50 | 4889755 geno-econ
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You are confusing Ukranians for Belerussians who are considered less ambitious and milk maidens. Much the same as Americans have feelings about Southerners or different ethniciticies.  Wonder what the Iraqies think about Americans now ?

Actually what people think about each other is irrelevant----it is all about Global Economic Strategy 

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 13:11 | 4889824 tonyw
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it's got nothing to do with ukrainians, the US is driving this and the ukrainian oligarchs care no more about the local citizens than do those in the west.

those ukrainian oligarchs didn't get their money by respecting other people and honest dealing, so why start now.

 

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 12:59 | 4889780 Jack Burton
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Putin is under pressure from Russian public opinion not to let the East Ukrainians be overrun by Kiev's military assaults. I think Putin knows this, his move to revoke invasion rights is a good move for now, as it can always be revoted. This hits the liars in Kiev where it hurts! No invasion means they must fight on their own without NATO coming to save them. I only hope Putin makes sure the East has all the military supplies it needs to beat up the Kiev military. If masacres take place by Kiev forces, Putin would have to do something. Or if he allows such a thing, his public will be very unhappy. Isn't that so Volkodav?

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 16:37 | 4890656 just-my-opinion
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I am a child and I hacked into your system...you wanna play chess but I like Thurmo Nuclear war....why does this keep calling me back

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 11:28 | 4889437 McMolotov
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#Fore!

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 11:29 | 4889438 Soul Glow
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RIght now Obama is asking his brass why they can't drone Russia.

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 12:23 | 4889667 insanelysane
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And the brass are responding with, "Don't you have a tee time to get to?"

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 14:22 | 4890066 Jack Burton
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Brass answers "Mr. President TOR M-2u, S-300 and S-400 anti aircraft systems. Backed by active and passive sensors with good anti jamming abilities". Thus Obama "the mad drone warrior" is shit out of luck.

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 15:04 | 4890279 Kid Loco
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Mr. President TOR M-2u, S-300 and S-400 anti aircraft systems

Shooting down drone with S-300 (or even S-400) is a horribly expensive idea!

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 16:02 | 4890506 SameAsItEverWas
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Shooting down drone with S-300 (or even S-400) is a horribly expensive idea!

Yup.  S-300 could take down current F-16 flying a combat mission.

Big fat slow drone with no defenses is vulnerable to fighter jet cannon fire, and easy prey for old AAMs like AIM-7 or AIM-9. 

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 11:30 | 4889447 Haus-Targaryen
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While I cannot see it now -- I am sure Putin is thinking 3 or 4 moves ahead of me at this point in time.  3 weeks from now I will look back on it and think "that was brilliant."

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 11:58 | 4889556 Gaius Frakkin' ...
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Putin isn't brilliant, he's just not an idiot. If your foe is intent on destroying itself, just sit back with a bottle of chilled vodka and enjoy the show.

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 12:01 | 4889578 El Vaquero
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He is formidable, you have to give him that.  He does nothing without a reason.  What the reason for this was I can only speculate, but you can rest assured that somebody is probably about to get fucked.  But formidable or not, he is a statist. 

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 12:01 | 4889581 BanksterSlayer
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Ditto ... this game is such a non-challenge for Putin that he must be getting bored already.

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 13:19 | 4889841 ParkAveFlasher
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"OK Byarry, gotta go, time to wrestle alligyator now, bye bye."

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 12:04 | 4889584 economics9698
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Putin went through what the USA is facing in 1989-91.  He knows how it will end and makes his moves accordingly.  Barry's head is all fucked up with Cloward-Piven bull shit.

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 12:11 | 4889631 Haus-Targaryen
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This is probably more insightful than you originally anticipated.

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 12:21 | 4889660 El Vaquero
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May we live in interesting times.

 

(We deserve it.)

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 21:30 | 4891652 Pal
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Ditto and Double Ditto

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 12:31 | 4889696 ChiangMai
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INFOGRAPHIC:

15 Years of Putin

How Russia has changed in the last 15 years since Vladimir Putin came to power

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 12:49 | 4889747 pot_and_kettle
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Yup - someone once said Russians don't even take craps without a plan...

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 14:07 | 4889756 RaceToTheBottom
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"I wonder what # will be the USA reply?"

 

Crown me biotch!!!

Always a fruitfull checkers move when paying against someone playing chess.

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 13:18 | 4889836 whoisjohngalt11
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Russia also doesn't want no stinkin AMDs either.. Microsoft go home..http://www.themukt.com/2014/06/24/russia-ditch-intel-amd-favor-homegrown...

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 14:41 | 4890178 Freddie
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Putin is man and he is not a traitor to the Russian people.  Some NWO dumb **cks over on Free Republic post anti-putin crap while the NWO is destroying America and the NWO hates Putin.

America is filled with cowards like that lying midget General Betray-us.  ***king coward.

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 11:24 | 4889418 LawsofPhysics
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No need for costly "war" when one can simply close a few valves.

Sheesh.

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 12:08 | 4889617 caconhma
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To the great disappointment to ZH Putin fans, the great Putin said to Obama: No Mass. I surrender. Can I keep all my money in EU banks?

Today, Putin stated that he did not intend to invade Ukraine and, after all, their leaders are not fascists but good partners. As for Russian people, Putin does not give a shit about them.

PS

ZH became a former KGB thug and thief propaganda outlet. 

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 12:16 | 4889646 john39
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Putin is not desperate for a war, the US and the bankers are...   Putin is leaving them flapping the wind, to collapse under their own bloated weight.  

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 16:10 | 4890555 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Banderatarded Kievan Yatzi Junta Citizenism citizens can not deal with facts. Only with propaganda. Their own words and wishes.

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 11:26 | 4889426 ENTP
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Dear Barack,

 

Welcome to the 21st Century.  We don't fight wars with military power anymore, we fight them with financial tactics.  Good Luck!

 

- Vlad

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 11:30 | 4889443 Soul Glow
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Dear Vlad,

Please don't stop buying our bonds.  We will pay you back.  We promise.

- B.O.

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 11:31 | 4889453 ENTP
ENTP's picture

Barack,

 

We sold a ton of your treasuries a while ago.  A nice old lady met us in Belgium and was happy to purchase them.  You seem desperate and we all know it.

 

- Vlad

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 11:37 | 4889483 Haus-Targaryen
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Who wants a blowjob? 

--Poland

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 11:49 | 4889524 HamRove
HamRove's picture

Dear Vlad,

I'm scared.....Hold me. 

-B.O. 

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 11:54 | 4889548 ENTP
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Bring Yellen and Mary Jo White and we can have a cuddle party.

 

- Vlad

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 13:22 | 4889847 ParkAveFlasher
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PS I syend bear instyead of me, da? lyaugh mao.

-VP

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 11:26 | 4889427 deflator
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 Taking the high ground after mission accomplished of turning off the gas?

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 11:27 | 4889428 NoDebt
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It was his call with Obama yesterday.  Obama made him back down.  That's gotta be it.  Uh huh.

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 11:27 | 4889430 fonzannoon
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This headline is cause for major concern. I assume everyone else on here sold pm's and  piled into groupon for capital preservation as well. no point in speculating right now.

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 11:36 | 4889475 Yes We Can. But...
Yes We Can. But Lets Not.'s picture

What is groupon?

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 11:36 | 4889482 NoDebt
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What is captial?

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 11:37 | 4889484 NoDebt
NoDebt's picture

What is preservation?

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 11:37 | 4889485 NoDebt
NoDebt's picture

What are PMs?

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 11:39 | 4889490 NoDebt
NoDebt's picture

What is speculating?  Oh, no, wait, I know what that one is.  That's what the Fed makes us all do with our "investments".

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 11:43 | 4889501 ParkAveFlasher
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SP[ECULATORZ R EVILLLLLL

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 11:44 | 4889507 Soul Glow
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What is the Fed? 

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 12:06 | 4889606 economics9698
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Criminals.

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 12:18 | 4889654 Beard of Zeus
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What is mango?

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 11:45 | 4889512 One of We
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Three or more clingons.

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 11:28 | 4889439 Seize Mars
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Arrows cost money. The dead cost nothing. Send in the Irish.

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 11:33 | 4889461 dsty
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waiting for sucker punch

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 11:34 | 4889464 JohninMK
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Mmmmm how quickly can he reinstate it or just give the order?

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 11:34 | 4889470 vyeung
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Obozo, obozo, your criminal master planners have to rethink your so called strategies again (checkers). Get Kissinger and Brzezinski into a plane and send them to me and I'll make all your troubles go away. That's a promise.

 

Vlad.

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 11:35 | 4889472 czarangelus
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Funny, I had it down as 9 people were hoped dead. That's what you're supposed to do in war - kill the monsters who are mass-shelling civilian cities.

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 11:36 | 4889477 Bill of Rights
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US Military and Police to Begin Using Next Generation X-Ray Guns

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYjX007A-Js

 

http://www.defenseone.com/technology/2014/06/military-now-has-x-ray-guns...

 

No 4th amendment infringement here nope not a one.

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 11:38 | 4889488 BadDog
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Look under 'sham sacrifices' in chess glossary.

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 11:49 | 4889525 ShrNfr
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Yep. The goal is to create a buffer state in the eastern Ukraine. It is the "See how reasonable and peaceful I am? Now go negotiate autonomy for eastern Ukraine". Meanwhile Obama is still trying to get the handle on how to put X and O on the tick-tac-toe board.

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 11:43 | 4889503 luckylogger
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Very hard to say what this dude is up to but we can be sure he is sharpening up his next thorn for obamar's ass......
Stay tuned.........
This is better than the best of any soap opera....

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 11:43 | 4889505 R3ap3R
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Putin did this to show his hand is "forced". The duma wont agree to revoke the right to use military force. In my oppion he took a very big gamble here to try and de-escalate the ukraine situation. This will definetly hurt his popularty in Russia

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 11:47 | 4889520 Soul Glow
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Maybe short term, but when he finishes selling off his Treasury holdings, quadruples the price of gas to Europe, and cuts off gas to Ukraine, I think he will be seen as more than popular.  

Also, does it matter if he is popular or not?  Elections are rigged everywhere, not just the USA and Africa.

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 11:49 | 4889532 COSMOS
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There is no need to invade, this war is fought by special forces of NATO and Russia.  So far the Ukes have not made any big strides in the East.  Putin just has to hold things together till winter when the energy crunch bites the Euros and the western Ukes.

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 11:58 | 4889563 IndianaJohn
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Weaponized Winter.

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 18:19 | 4891022 Sirius Wonderblast
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You've picked up on the point I too have been making for some time now - winter will finish off the Ukraine army's will to fight for the oligarchs and shysters in Kiev. Would you want to be stuck in some frozen god-forsaken wood or ditch just to shoot at or be shot at by your own countrymen for the sake of orders from some oligarch/thief/stooge in Kiev? This will end as it did for Hitler and Napoleon.

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 23:32 | 4892027 StychoKiller
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Even if you're somehow keeping warm in yer foxhole, Ivana back home is freezin' her bewbs off!

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 11:55 | 4889546 OceanX
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"... This will definetly hurt his popularty in Russia"

What makes you think the Russians are hot for a war over the Ukraine?

 

My buddy, whom is very politically savvy and spent the last 3 years in Eastern Europe said, "The Soviets kicked the Ukraine out of the union, they were too much of a liability"  --something to that effect...

 

 

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 12:01 | 4889583 gcjohns1971
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Russians think of Ukrainians much the same way people from NYC think of people from the South: 

- Nominally part of the country but...

- stupid

- uneducated

- incompetent

- corrupt

- racist

- culturally unsophisticated

- with a funny accent

 

I am not agreeing with any of that.  But Ukrainian jokes in Russian are second only to "Ivan Ivanovich"  (John Johnson) jokes.

...thus my name Gold, Corruption John Johnson, 1971 (when the gold window closed).   

It is a constant reminder that the banker's joke is on me.

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 12:26 | 4889613 ThisIsBob
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dupe

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 12:24 | 4889672 ThisIsBob
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Putin got the jewel, but should take a pass on the setting.

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 12:10 | 4889625 COSMOS
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Your friend did not spend enough time there or he lied to you, or he was a complete idiot, LOL

If you only know how hard the Russians have tried to hold on to Moldova.  Do you think they will consider the Heartland of the RUS a liability, come on dude what planet was your friend from.

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 15:35 | 4890414 R3ap3R
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Well im russian and im following the situation here and i can tell u alot of Russians are very angry and threatend. They dont want to take over Ukraine they just want to end the threat which is looming over their heads. The threat is being propagandized as a threat to all slavic people. Warning us that we are all in grave danger and facing destruction.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=La5GQOM6gmU

basicly what he is saying is that the war with the russians never ended and that we are threatend, this guy is in the duma btw, i can keep posting videos like this but there are no subtitles

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 11:49 | 4889535 gcjohns1971
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If you are a person who believes politicians then this is a death-knell for the separatists who have built their whole scheme strategically, and tactical-militarily, on Russian Intervention.

If you are a person who is skeptical of politiicians then this means nothing, because permission for intervention can be dispensed with, or requested after the fact, at any time.

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 11:50 | 4889536 youngman
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Watch what he does..not what he says...I am sure there are trucks full of weapons for his boys in the Ukraine....still being delivered..

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 12:13 | 4889638 COSMOS
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gEq9l6Xbr4

When Ivan meets GI Joe on the black fertile soils of Ukraine.

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 11:55 | 4889551 gcjohns1971
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With the initials "B.O." you should have expected the policies to stink.

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 14:45 | 4890200 FeralSerf
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Are you referring to the individual whose real legal name is Barry Soetoro, (initials: "BS")?

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 12:21 | 4889645 socalbeach
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Nothing a lot of you haven't already figured out but here it is anyway.

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Feedback Putin decree on the introduction of troops is an evidence of trust on the part of the Russian [separatist] army in South-East

'"For all it was already clear that Russia will not send troops. So why not use a cancellation [of a] no longer necessary document as a political argument in the dialogue with Europe, where Putin went? And the arguments we need - our confrontation with the USA in the European theatre is not yet military action continues, and we begin to slowly play the position.

As for the story with the "decree on March 1". Why it was taken? Because Ukrainian army launched a punitive operation in the South-East, as opposed army (let me stress that the army!) punishers [Kiev] [were] a handful of volunteers. In case, if ukroptika punitive began mass ethnic cleansing - and who today does not believe that this was possible? Russia was obliged to introduce peacekeeping force and to stop the crazy Bandera.

And what a picture today? Collapsing army (but still army!) punishers [Kiev] opposes the army of the South-East, about which the Germans [Kiev] broke off ... so many teeth that soon will have nothing to bite [with].'

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 12:21 | 4889661 One of We
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All your crappy translations are become ours!

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 12:37 | 4889711 socalbeach
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Here's another one for you.  Looks like Ukraine is having serious problems.

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The people blocked the route Kyiv-Chop in the Zhytomyr region

'In the Zhytomyr region in the morning about fifty local residents blocked the route Kyiv-Chop, demanding the return of their relatives who are fighting in the Donbass. About UNN the CCA Ministry of internal Affairs of Ukraine in Zhytomyr region...

As have told in office, people constantly walking on a pedestrian crossing and holding banners reading "bring Back our children, take children generals in the East".'

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 12:15 | 4889647 LibertyBear
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I think Putin’s move makes sense given below.

 


“When the Bolsheviks took power in Russia in 1917, they had given

little thought to a future Soviet foreign policy, for they were convinced

that Communist revolution would soon follow in the advanced industrial

countries of Western Europe. When such hopes were dashed after the end

of World War I, Lenin and his fellow Bolsheviks adopted the theory of

“peaceful coexistence” as the basic foreign policy for a Communist State.

The idea was this: as the first successful Communist movement, Soviet

Russia would serve as a beacon for and supporter of other Communist

parties throughout the world. But the Soviet State qua State would devote

itself to peaceful relations with all other countries, and would not attempt

to export communism through inter-State warfare. The idea here was not

just to follow Marxist-Leninist theory, but was the highly practical course

of holding the survival of the existing Communist State as the foremost

goal of foreign policy: that is, never to endanger the Soviet State by

courting inter-State warfare.” 

 

-Murray Rothbard, For A New Liberty, p. 290

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 12:27 | 4889679 robertocarlos
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It's a hell of a false flag. You would think that Putin imformed the Pro-Russians that Russia was standing down.

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 12:30 | 4889690 NOZZLE
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Putinized, I am so dissappointed in Putin right now.  Putin, you could have sent your military into the territory of ukraine and barbequed every last pro nazi son of a bitch from Reka Dnieper to Zakarpats'ka oblast but you fucking flaked out?  What the fuck, your tough guy image is a crock of shit.  You are almost as worthless as that ovulating puke obama.

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 12:37 | 4889713 COSMOS
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Stop talking Checkers Nozzle and think with some finesse.  If he were as worthless as Obamma he would to what you said and play checkers.  Putin knows what he is doing and how to deal with the NATO grab for territory.

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 13:00 | 4889781 ChiangMai
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I suggest these articles, in order of priority:

Translation of the "must read" article of worldcrisis.ru explaining why there is no Russian intervention in the Ukraine

Considering the "what ifs" and "then whats" of a direct Russian intervention in the Donbass

 

A scorecard for the US "lukewarm war" on Russia - strategic and tactical levels

 

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

The Saker (with whom I have no connection), writing from Florida/USA at The Vineyard of the Saker, provides, in my opinion, the most penetrating and incisive coverage* of the USA empowering vicious Nazis in Ukraine. Even the comments are informative and perceptive. 

* You can confirm this by skimming his RSS feed page. Note particularly the COMBAT SITREPS.

In addition to the three posts above, I particularly recommend:

Regarding the two short videos: the first is extremely powerful — WARNING: very graphic live footage beginning at [02:13], and the second is a powerful and informative 78 seconds):

[VIDEO - 04:39] '"For Inna" - a video which should be circulated worldwide'

 

[VIDEO - 01:18] Save Donbass People from Ukrainian Army!


Tue, 06/24/2014 - 13:13 | 4889826 marcusfenix
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"Putinized, I am so dissappointed in Putin right now."

don't be, he's playing this exactly the way he should and in the end he's going to end up with exactly what Moscow wanted and needed all along.

a buffer zone between the pro west Kiev and the Russian border there by eliminating the possibility of another "NATO missile defense shield" right on his front door. and thus far, he's managed to do accomplish his goals without launching a major war which is better for everyone. Crimea was obvious, there was no possible way the Kremlin was going to risk losing the home port of the black sea fleet and if that meant a major conflict with Kiev or even NATO so be it. 

but Crimea also showed him that the west was not going to commit much more than hash language and a few meaningless sanctions to "protect the territorial integrity" of  the Ukraine, no weapons, no military advisory boots on the ground, no lethal aid of any kind and perhaps most importantly no major push to bring the country into NATO post haste.

all those military drills, the snap readiness alerts and the military forces piled up on the border were both a warning and a show of commitment and capability. a message that was clearly sent and clearly understood by NATO and the west and they were the ones who flaked out and backed down, not Putin.

just like in Georgia.

this announcement is the logical result of Putin seeing that there may be a window of opportunity to resolve the issues in the east without using that kind of  force, but make no mistake, if after Friday, Kiev does not grant the east what amounts to pretty much total autonomy then this declaration made by the president won't be worth the paper it was printed on.

after all actions speak louder that words, as has been the case from the start of this crises, and actions show Moscow is ready to intervene at a moments notice.    

 

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 23:41 | 4892050 StychoKiller
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Why would you come to the aid of yer drunken brother-in-law in a bar fight, when the idjut owes you large sums of munny?

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 12:53 | 4889762 Bankster Kibble
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The Ukrainian soldiers are not under the control of President Poroshenko, so any "cease fire" is just words.  Kiev admitted today that a lot of criminals are included in their forces in the east, plus the oligarch Kolomoisky, who speaks for many of the militia, refused to obey Poroshenko's cease fire and said so to his face.   

Putin also knows that the Eastern Ukrainians are aided by a lot of volunteers from Russia who cross the border without asking permission, so any pledge to revoke permission for military intervention is also just words.  Russian military may sit tight on their side of the border while they watch volunteers flow to Ukraine in waves.

If Poroshenko is not careful, there will be another coup.

http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_06_21/Oligarch-Kolomoisky-not-going-to-obey-Poroshenkos-plan-and-will-finish-off-militiamen-in-any-case-8563/

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 12:54 | 4889764 Quinvarius
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Because only Obama would believe he needs the right granted from parliment and would announce his intentions beforehand.  This is the kind of nonsense move that would placate only Obama's foreign policy team.  I am more worried now.  All war is deception.

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 13:05 | 4889803 Canucklehead
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... Told you...

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 13:10 | 4889806 tony wilson
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this is not exceptable

have i spelt that corractly sorry i am a fighting man not a po it.

this is an outrage.

we highly trained folks in g4s,serco,britam defense and are mossad partners are finding these shoot downs very disag greeable what what.

it is not right for these evil doers to keep killing are polish grom special forces like this.

training grom is not like training isis let me tell you.

dying for the glory in battle for poland israel and the shitty of london is one thing.

being taken down by missile manpads is cowardice in the extreme.

in the future we may have to start sending the polack  grom out one at a time on bi cycles or tri cycles to keep the body count down.

let us not forget seal team 6 and todays grom 12 such training such treasure of skilsets and money invested.

oh dear how sad never mind.

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 18:40 | 4891112 Sirius Wonderblast
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Sagacity abundant Tony.

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 13:24 | 4889849 robertocarlos
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Acceptable.

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 13:24 | 4889851 RazvanM
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I'm sure that Russian regular citizens, while going to do some shopping at the local store, were able to pick a high tech rocket launcher from the road, pushed a button and downed a chopper.

If anybody here believes that non-regular troops - insurgents without years of training - successfully fight the Ukrainian army, then maybe they need to try this at home.

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 13:34 | 4889884 tony wilson
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f anybody here believes that non-regular troops - insurgents without years of training - successfully fight the Ukrainian army, then maybe they need to try this at home.

 

maybe it was the cia who shot dem down again.

maybe in the chopper was the reanimated remains of the seal team 6  the glorious obarma bin lardun kill team.

poor fellas are doomed forever to be shot black hawk downed ground hog day style.

as per jewish saturn run ritual.

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 14:05 | 4889982 ThisIsBob
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Betcha there are former Ukr military guys now with or advising the shooters.  How hard can it be?  Even a Taliban can do it.

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 14:27 | 4890101 RazvanM
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A taliban has years of trainings before being successfull. The others are cannon fodder. What I suggested is that Russian regular troops, with no insignia, are fighting against Ukraine army. That's it. The same troops that were used in South Ukraine are now used in other parts of Ukraine.

Wake up people, there is no CIA vs Russia. Is Russia waging war against a country that didn't want anymore to be a vasal to Russia. So it is war. The same way war was waged against Cecenia. The same way war was waged against Georgia. And there is another information war waged on News Media, sponsored with a big war budget by Russia.

Remember, before WW2 started officially, Russia, an ally of Germany, invaded many neighbouring countries and took big chunks of additional territories. And russian troops were training together with Nazi Germany troops. Hail Putin!

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 13:32 | 4889889 teslaberry
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with manpads like these, who needs friends?

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 13:35 | 4889897 teslaberry
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the future of warfare is drones because assymetric use of weaponry results in a fall back on high altitude bombing campaigns to neutralize a populatoin. 

 

and the number of years which human beings will remain in bombers is limited. 

 

everything in the air short of the most sophisticated fighters, and passenger ferry service---will be unmanned , and increasingly autonomous. skynet is coming bitches. 

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 14:09 | 4889996 Zeptemberalevin
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"AE911 truth" is just a sample of what's really going on behind closed doors within our own hegemonic society...and why our control of oil/gas through the use of the petrodollar enables our Federal Reserve to manipulate the dollar during times of financial armageddon. You want a catalyst for the next crisis? I give you this: 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mK86S-HZxTE

This is considered the greatest psyop in American history. This can and will be considered complete bullshit for those who truly believe terrorists were able to hijack two planes that subsequently led to the collapse of three buildings in lower Manhattan. I want you to think about this: 

Do you think that office fires from two seperate floors of WTC7 could completely demolish a building in less than seven seconds?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZEvA8BCoBw

You make your own assumptions.

What is more concerning to me is not what people have discovered in the rubble when the buildings fell (molten iron, iron microspheres, and unreactive thermitic material), but how the 9/11 commision report completely disregarded thses important discoveries. In fact, as you will see in the videos yourself, the investigation considered office fires to be responsilbe for the complete demolition of WTC7. That means every steel column intended to support the stabiliy of the building, somehow office fires simultaneously destroyed all columns within seconds that led to a complete collapse of the building.

 

You draw your own conclusions...I will stick with mine.

 

So, where am I getting at? What point am I trying to make here?

 

It has to do with oil folks. And because oil is king (I'm sorry, because the petrodollar is king) is creates the world reserve currency, which is the US dollar. Because guess what, if it wasn't for the dollar being the world reserve currency, we would be in a depression today, because the debt we have generated since 1971 (once the gold standard was removed), the Fed's would be incapable of suppressing interest rates; and once the Fed's lose control of the yield curve on our debt, a NWO will quickly ensue.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fUT7XgLiTY 

 

 

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 14:26 | 4890097 prymythirdeye
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You're definitely on the right track but actually its more like http://www.septemberclues.info/

There were NO PLANES that day and any and all refusal to believe this is your cognitive dissonance at work. 

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 14:41 | 4890174 roadhazard
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"There were no planes" = tightest tin foil hat band in the room. lmao

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 17:07 | 4890738 prymythirdeye
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Nothing is more annoying than a fool who is so sure of himself.  Since you've probably done a ton of research on the subject to be laughing at what I wrote, I'm sure you've seen this video. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rml2TL5N8ds&

Just one of MANY clearly demonstrating it was a Hollywood movie we watched on 9/11/01, nothing more.  The buildings went down yes, but it was not because of planes.  Also, aluminum planes do not go THRU a steel and concrete structure and out the other side, leaving a road runner outline.  Now that's something to laugh about fool!

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 17:09 | 4890802 prymythirdeye
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Or this one...just the first ten minutes should at least make the bulb start flickering.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJU55FzcM2A

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 14:26 | 4890092 localspaced
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If he wants new authorisation he'll have it within a day...

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 15:58 | 4890509 JohninMK
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I am not sure about all the adverse comments about the fighting abilities of the 'insurgents' in the East.

For a start, as in the country itself, in the Ukrainian Army there will be Ukrainian (from the West) and Russian (from the East) speakers and no doubt, again like the country, they have divided on language lines. However, as the Army was formed, trained and equiped by the Russians it is likely that there is a higher proportion of Russian speakers than Urkanian in it. Also, as a Warsaw Pact country most of its military assets, including airfields, would be in the West/South, facing NATO and Ukraine is huge.

If so perhaps this is why Kiev has had to use so many irregulars (the socalled Nazis) and why it has taken a while for the east to get its act together whilst many of its soldiers made their way several hundred miles home. Now that their strength is increasing and they are releasing and repairing armoured vehicles from the rear storage areas (away from NATO) a proper Ukrainian Army (East) is appearing. Maybe even hot-wire a couple of tanks over the border!

 

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 16:15 | 4890574 NoWayJose
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Revoking the right to military intervention just means that Putin is happy enough with the performance of the east Ukraine rebels (bolstered by mysterious strangers in black masks).  And of course, the nasty east Ukrainian rebels have figured out how easy it is to take over 'former' Russian equipment laggers that just happen to have been left fully stocked and unprotected.  So obviously, Putin is just seeking the moral high ground for the next move in this giant chess game.

Tue, 06/24/2014 - 18:59 | 4891164 steelrules
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This guy wasn't a KGB colonel just because, well played Valdimir! your move Rothschild.

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