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Baghdad May Lose Its Drinking Water As ISIS Approaches Second Largest Dam
Against a background of having lost control of all western border crossings, Iraqi officials are concerned that ISIS fighters are advancing on the Haditha Dam, the second-largest in Iraq. With militants pouring in from the north, the northeast and the northwest, The NY Times reports, army officers told employees to stay inside and to be prepared to open the dam’s floodgates if ordered to do so. "This will lead to the flooding of the town and villages and will harm you also," warned one worried employee but this would not be the first time that the Iraqi government and ISIS have engaged in dam warfare, as the closure of the Falluja dam earlier in the year starved areas downstream in the provinces of Najaf and Diwaniya of water needed for crops. The situation is growing more grave as Maliki rejected calls for a caretaker government and has forced Iran's hand to help. Senator Saxby Chambliss of Georgia noted "the Iranians are playing in a big way in Iraq."
Iraq has lost control of its Western borders...
Beginning on Friday and in a rapid succession, ISIS fighters captured the western border crossings at Qaim, Waleed and Trebil.
Iraqi security officials said Wednesday that fighters for the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria were advancing on the Haditha Dam, the second-largest in Iraq.
The militants are coming from the north, the northeast and the northwest. The ISIS fighters had already reached the nearby town of Burwana, on the eastern side of Haditha, and government forces were fighting to halt their advance.
Worried that the insurgents would reach the dam on the Euphrates River, about 120 miles northwest of Baghdad, army officers told employees to stay inside and to be prepared to open the dam’s floodgates if ordered to do so, an employee said.
“This will lead to the flooding of the town and villages and will harm you also,” the dam employee said he told the army officer.
According to the employee, who asked not to be named because he was not authorized to speak to the media, the officer replied: “Yes, I know, it will be against us and our enemies.”
This would not be the first time that the Iraqi government and ISIS have engaged in dam warfare. Earlier this year, when ISIS fighters seized the Falluja Dam, they opened it to flood fields of crops all the way south to the city of Najaf. The water at one point washed east as well, almost reaching Abu Ghraib, just west of Baghdad.
The closure of the dam also starved areas downstream in the provinces of Najaf and Diwaniya of water needed for crops. The dam was reopened after several weeks.
Which has forced Iranian hands...
Iran is directing surveillance drones over Iraq from an airfield in Baghdad and is secretly supplying Iraq with tons of military equipment, supplies and other assistance, American officials said. Tehran has also deployed an intelligence unit there to intercept communications, the officials said.
Gen. Qassim Suleimani, the head of Iran’s paramilitary Quds Force, has visited Iraq at least twice to help Iraqi military advisers plot strategy. And Iran has deployed about a dozen other Quds Force officers to advise Iraqi commanders, and help mobilize more than 2,000 Shiite militiamen from southern Iraq, American officials said.
Iranian transport planes have also been making two daily flights of military equipment and supplies to Baghdad — 70 tons per flight — for Iraqi security forces.
“The Iranians are playing in a big way in Iraq,” Senator Saxby Chambliss of Georgia, the ranking Republican on the Intelligence Committee, said in an interview.
But Maliki remains resistant to US calls for change...
Separately on Wednesday, Mr. Maliki rejected calls for a caretaker government, as he has before, but it appeared to be a repudiation of the Western leaders who have asked him to agree to share power with Iraq’s Sunnis and Kurds.
In a televised address, he criticized “other parties,” a reference to Sunnis and Kurds, for not doing more to support the government, and he rejected the idea of a caretaker government, which could be formed without his participation.
“Despite what we are suffering through, we haven’t heard from our political partners with any support,” Mr. Maliki said. “They are not partners in facing the crisis but they are partners in spending the wealth of Iraq.”
But apart from that - US equities are rallying on the worst GDP print in years and all media can talk about ius the Aereo decision...mission accomplished
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I warned them. Good thing this sort of thing could never happen where you live.
Item 6
Purchase the items on the following shopping list to outfit your home.
· 5,000 rounds ammo for training; $2,500.
· Purchase and install Door Jamb Armor and dead bolts on all your exterior doors; $1,000 for 4 doors.
· A bullet proof vest; $500.
· Install a professional alarm system, or better if you live in the country get a big dog and have you both protection trained; $50/month.
· 12 months of food storage (2,400 cal/day) with > 20 year shelf life ;$4,500.
· If you have well water get a SimplePump. If you rely on city/municipal water, and there is not a swimming pool in your backyard, then get at least one waterbed; $1,000.
· A hand-crank emergency radio and a couple of hand-crank flashlights; $50.
· Purchase and store several cases of liquor; $500.
· If it gets cold where you live, then purchase
o A mummy style sleeping bag like a Wiggies; $250.
o At least one set of heavy wool pants and wool parka, such as Columbia's Gallatin Range ; $350.
o A pair of warm boots, wool socks, warm gloves, and a wool hat; $350.
o Two sets of Patagonia long underwear; $120.
Sadly my well pulls from 600 ft. down. I have to use my backup electrical system to power the submersible.
This explains the rally in the TRAN today
Who currently controls the Mosul dam? The most dangerous dam in the world?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/29/AR200710...
Earthen dam which would be easy to destroy. Could flood most of Mosu and Baghdad.
Obama, Fuehrer Plenipotentiary of North America.
Excuse me for my Nazi speak.
ISIS = John Galt.
One turns off the water, just like the other turned off the electrciity, on purpose, to drive out the population of a city.
Looking down, they could see the last convulsions...the lights of New York had gone out. Dagny gasped. "Don't look down!" Galt ordered sharply. (Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged)
And yes, it was deliberate. Can't make breakfast without breaking a few eggs.
"When you see those lights go out," said Galt, "then you will know that our job is done." (Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged)
Galtahu akbar! (Galt is Great.)
and where in Ayn Rand's "novels" does it say that islamic Galt does this unto others
Maliki just wouldn't learn:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-25/iraq-buys-massive-36-tonnes-gold-march
Wasn't good for Gadaffi either.
Is it just me, or does the little picture that is part of the banner for this article look a bit suggestive?
Holy crap! It is the cradle of civilzation!
The mother of all humanity.
http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/fp_thumb/images/...
Anyone living downstream from the dam on the Euphrates might want to get some rice seed into the ground pronto...
ISIS is going medieval on Iraq.
How approrpiate.
Bullish on rat futures!
@ Hedgeless Horseman
'... Purchase and install Door Jamb Armor and dead bolts on all your exterior doors; $1,000 for 4 doors.'
I dont know about wasting all that money on the doors. They can molotov your house and shoot you dead as you run out of the house like in that Clint Eastwood film when those two families were fighting it out for control of the town.
Best build a little concrete tower which gives good sniping, like the North Caucus people did...
http://thenorthcaucasus.wordpress.com/tag/vainakh-towers/
Conspiracy theorists are an endless source of mild amusement.
Its all a conspiracy until the phone gets tapped and the conversation gets played LOL
That was in a time long ago before they descovered oil and neocons...
The first rule of 'operation mayhem', is you don't talk about it, Sir.
trade them tankers
of Fukishima water...
for tankers of oil ..
the oil is now priced in dollars so it's not a problem anymore, and never was much of one, imo.
the neocons on the other hand . . . .
http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/06/20/its-all-for-israel/
He is using the King James version of Ayn Rand's novels, you are - obviously - a fundamentalist.
"buy and store several cases of liquor $500"
Yea, like a few cases is gonna kill the pain of armagedeon. How about a 1,000 gallon stainless tank of Absolute. Make a business out of it!
Start that barter-tradey thingy all over again, hic-cough!
Its best not to "invest" in something you enjoy consuming. It ended my pot selling career 40 some years ago.
Did they run out of LSD
I laughed harder at this than I probably should have. Oppurtunists come in all forms and shades I suppose.
So many of the ME actions/wars/attacks have seemed orchestrated or at least under some type of control. This latest ISIS stuff appears ratcheted up to a whole new level. Kind of a scorched earth overwhelming, full-scale chaos move. Time will tell, but does not look good.
You have no faith. All will be corrected with Operation Restore Freedom TM
Or maybe the Saudis and Iranians are jockeying for dominance when the key players really are the US, China, and Russia. The scary part is what happens in every part of the world if the US gets sucked into another boondoggle in the middle east. Maybe that's the game.
Read Atlas Shrugged for once. I've quoted both citations accurately.
Alisa Rosenbaum? no thanks and I passed on the movie too... another 539 supremacist, dial it up...
ROSENBAUM!
Those damn mormons are always coming up with the zaniest shit!
Teh Joooooz! What are you, the ghost of Yasser Arafat?
lol, by my count you have alot more downvotes on this thread, maybe because you started by saying ISIS = John Galt ... wtf??? no ISIS is real and a result of US retarded foreign policy for 20+ years, there fixed it for you
No Mongo straight!
You ought to change "top gear" to "taking it from the rear"
For once? What?
.
Jeremy would be so ashamed to see how you use him for your avatar and spout the crap you do. You are neither clever or funny nor, for that matter, honest.
One week, Three days.
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ISIS is funded by Israel and the West. More Zio Balkanization of the ME, as detailed in the Yinon plan as well as the Clean Break document. It amazes me how few people actually read what these neocon think tanks put out... Considering how often they come to fruition.
http://zionismsucks.com/2014/06/24/israel-aiding-isis-in-syria/#respond
LOL, yeah sure buddy, you need to suck on those boobs some more, maybe you will glean some brain cells from them, ugh!
What a maroon...
Bugs Bunny
I intend to suck on those boobs again tonight, thanks for reminding me!
And the gay prince brings us full circle back to here(Syria) soon with the help of her rhoid lick generals training of USIS insurgents, that surprisingly move from one strategic target to the next on a planned course(pay attention to the precision as well the choreography in the Ukraine) to complete as mentioned above here once again....
http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/31/world/meast/syria-civil-war/index.html
As sure as the sun's rise in the morning.
Anyone surprised?
ISIS = John McCain
http://topconservativenews.com/2014/06/isis-brags-about-links-to-us-sena...
John McCain = Zionist
HUGE reaction = dumb ass nazi
You're a clever one. Actually I'm not a National Socialist. If I had to classify my political ideology I would say I'm a Libertarian Constitutionalist. I realize it's easier to call someone names than go through the difficult process of introspection and actually examine your dogma, formed through many years of staring at the zio corporate idiot box and the left right puppet shit show... So no hard feelings.
I understand what you are saying, but my goodness, so many people on this board just hate Jewish people...
I cannot fathom this hatred, remember the 1930's and 40's...??? I hope so.
BTW, I do not watch the idiot box.
.
It would be a waste of time.
Indeed.
For Abi, its a case of mission accomplished.
Most Zionists here in the States are actually Christians. Two of my good friends come from Jewish families, but I discuss Zionism and Israel with both of them. Hating a group based on race is stupid. Hating a religion because I have read the Old Testament and the Talmud is different. I hate fundamentalists, whether they be Wahabi, Christian or Jew.
What's so bad about fundamental Christianity (meaning the Christian part - golden rule, 10 commandments, love they neighbor)?
In my experience the evangelical crowd are some of the most disgusting Israel worshippers. If they practice the golden rule and disavow the filth that is the Old Testament, particularly Deuteronomy and Leviticus, then I have no problem.
I have no idea how many here 'hate Jewish people'. I know I don't. But I do know that everywhere I look Jews seem to be manipulating what's going on. Politics, media, academia, banking. Ukraine being the current example par excellence but it's bloody well the same everywhere. And I know for sure that what they're up to is not for the benefit of me nor indeed for most of the others on this blog.
Burns nails it. Of course most Jews are innocent of social engineering, media lies, manipulating Gov's, but that doesn't mean they aren't by far the largest force and potentially building "something" we can't even fathom. Are there so called Christian's or non Jews involved, sure there are.
Simply questions.
Is the New World Order real i.e. plan for single currency, single Government, total spy grid, mixing of the races, real?
If you say yes, then is said New World Order a largely Jewish construct, or some strain of Judaism behind it?
I know my answers.
Indeed. It is also curious how 2-3% of the US population constitutes 48% of the billionaires.
It always helps when you are close to the printing presses and can get cheap financing. Its a criminal enterprise in my opinion. The FED should be abolished and lots of people need to be prosecuted.
ISIS = John McCain. Too fucking funny! That old fuck is also a nazi now didn't you know? Kiev nazi death squads = John McCain. That old fuck is soaked in blood.
How much are you paid to troll? I only ask because nobody in their right mind would make up the stuff you make up.
John Kerry: Mr. President ISIS is in a position to cut off the water supply to Baghdad.
BO: When? How long before the city is without water?
Kerry: Could be only a matter of days.
BO: Days... oh well then we have plenty of time.
Kerry: Plenty of time for what?
BO: (Looking over at Valerie Jarrett and chuckling) He's such an amatuer. John we're gonna use this opportunity to call out our friends at SmartWater. We'll pressure them to quit using those plastic bottles that are destroying the ozone blanket and have them donate one-million bottles to the cause.
Valerie set up a photo shoot with SmartWater. Be sure to clear it with the Lesbian, Gay, Transgender community.
Kerry: Um Mr. President... how will we deliver the water? We have no military in place to handle such an event.
BO: Good point John... Valerie call UPS and pressure them to donate the shipping, but be sure to clear it with the Lesbian, Gay, Transgender community.
Does anybody read the news anymore?
NATO bully Turkey COMPLETELY shut down outflow from their last Euphrates dam - the Ataturk Dam - stopping the flow of ANY Euphrates water into Syria (and downstream into Iraq) LAST MONTH. No reason given - they're a member of NATO, damn it! 90% of the Euphrates water comes from that Turkish portion upstream of Ataturk. Anything downstream is slowly turning into a festering, cholera/thyphoid sewer.
Two million people in northern Syria have been without water for a few weeks. Alleppo's water intakes in Lake Assad will be dry, soon - that reservoir is already down about FIVE METERS. The earth-filled Tabqa dam will start drying out and probably fail if the Euphrates is ever opened back up to refill the resivoir. Why withhold water from six million Syrians and maybe twelve million Iraqis? Why, soften up the countries for the next planned invasion. It will also help in the upcoming biological warfare flase flag.
Now I see the Haditha on the Tigris is under threat by U.S.-Israeli-Turkey operatives ISIL. How perfect. Dry up the Tigris and Euphrates. Maybe a quick flood or two to increase the pain. Then contaminate whatever little flow remains with some bug developed in your secret Tiblisi or Ness-Ziona biological death-labs. Take out several million potential future Iraqi terrorists without threatening the oil wells? Dude... that's so stupid-easy even a politician can do it!
If you get busted, just blame it on your fake ISIL insurgency or some left-over geezer Baathists. Hell, blame it on Assad. They all make good cartoonish villians - CNN will have a field day with them. Nobody can ever trace it back to the real perpetrators. What are they going to do - send samples to the U.N. to be examined by the labs of the countries that originally conspired to used them? <snork> Like THAT's going to work!
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Man, I want some of the drugs you are taking...gotta love the conspiracy nuts!
Some of you people are in need of a labotomy.
"...Some of you people are in need of a labotomy..."
Had one after questioning the U.S. government's claims about Iraqi WMDs and watched 10,000 U.S. troops sent to their death for nothing. The lobotomy didn't help and now I walk funny.
Almost got another when the U.S. government was getting ready to Tomahawk Syria claiming to have proof (when none existed) of a chemical weapons attack committed by them. I didn't want a lobotomy over that part. It was when I found out just prior to the attack that Genie Energy's (Cheney is on the board) subsidiary Genie Oil and Gas, in a JV known as Afek, had their license for oil drilling in the Golan approved by Israel even though international law has always recognized it as Syrian soverign territory. Imagine the coincidental timing of the destruction of all Syrian military capability. That IS nuts.
Now that the Kirkuk-Haifa pipeline is being built and the Kurds in Little Israel (Kurdish Autonomous Region) own Kirkuk and northern Iraq's oil and have started deliveries, I'm considering a re-do lobotomy, only doubling-down far deeper. Not that it will help any, but it might dull the pain. I can't afford drugs that powerfull any more - even with Obamacare.
I don't even want to be sentient when they pull the trigger on Iran.
Better a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy!:-)
Weird .... it's like they're forcing prophecies.
Revelations 6:12
And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
Islamic writings have details about what will happen in the end times, too. The Euphrates dries up and reveals a mountain of gold. Anyone drinking the little remaining water from the Euphrates dies. Then Jesus comes back and takes out the Christian and the Zionist oppressors of islam.
[Apologies to any Islamic scholars out there - I was trying to break down the most topical parts Barney-style.]
goy you miss read the situation.
the isis are just securing israels water for netanyaoo.
this sacred brown juice is mentioned in the talmud in the teachings of menackchem the lion of judiah.
talked of in awe in the chronicles of murdoch the spy rabbi
the water is israel it just happens to be in iraq at the moment.
soon we will have a carve up and greater israel can prevail.
Oh good God man, step down from the ledge. NAZI's like you, we don't need.
no "we" need more zio-clowns like you Abi, that got "we" into this current clusterfuck ... and it's spelled lobotomy, need to update your hebrew to english app
What do Jewish religious texts and Jewish scholarly interpretations have to do with the current Israeli government, Abi? The Jewish people have been defined by a common religion for over 2000 years - not by a piece of barbwired land or the amoral deeds of a government claiming to represent 'the Jewish people'.
But then, you probably consider revolutionary Wahabiism exported from Saudi Arabia to represent all the rest of the earth's tens-of-millions of Sunni people. Heck, throw the Shia and Sufi in there, too. They all want to kill each other all the time, don't they? (especially after the U.S. shows up with 'military advisors')
Well, I sit somewhat corrected...
Damn - that's a hell of a well. Do you have enough wind on-site to put up a windmill-powered pump and water tower or a large cistern?
Electric with a large tank. Non-potable is only 30 feet down.
Maybe do a second shallow hand-pump setup and filter it? A solar set-up that could draw that far down would be pretty expensive.
We actually thought about drilling a second back-up well that would be manual or wind powered - up until we got the quote. JFC, I could've purchased my own drilling rig for what they wanted. . .
Here you go...
http://www.grainger.com/product/Rope-1VEL7
https://www.lehmans.com/p-1384-lehmans-own-galvanized-well-bucket.aspx
(leave the rope on the spool, add a handle and put the spool on reel rack)
That frickin well bucket is very cool! Mongo has had a well for 20 years and never even knew they exsisted. Much thanks for the link! Will be getting one directly.
The comments section is hilarious, either they all have wells @20 ft deep or not one of them gave any thought as to what happens as one lowers and raises the bucket and it drags along the casing or any exposed rocks.
I used a truck to lower a 50+lb stainless steel pump down about 1000 ft into the last well I had drilled and I'm sure the beautiful shiny brand new $1000 electrical pump was beat to hell long before it reached that depth.
Avoid like the plague bringing your drinking water into contact with galvanized.
Forget that galvanized thing, You can make it out of PVC and a one way check valve part from Home Depot. We made a couple and they work fine.
That "bucket" just looks like a piece of galvanized vertilation duct.
FWIW - it also looks a bit too wide to work with a well that still has the pipe for the submersible pump in it.
My well bucket came with the property, so I can't speak for that specific model, but regardless of the bucket diameter -any existing electrical pump would need to be pulled up first. If either the pump wire or the hose gets tangled with the line on the bucket - it's a certified clusterfuck.
I can't imagine the PITA pulling 600' of well pipe would be. How much would that column weigh? I have seen some manual pumps that would fit alongside the main line, but I don't think they'll draw that far. . .
A single person can't pull it, but the tow ring on a car can. I got about 200 lbs of copper by recycling/replacing #6 pump wire on my shallow well when I had to replace the pump (which was @30-35 lbs) + there's the several hundred feet of flex pvc and the obnoxiously high surface cohesion of water.
The manual alternative is to take a T post and pound it down so that @3ft is exposed, make a big L out of 4in PVC pipe and elbow, disconnect the pump wire at the burial vault feed it back (carefully) to the well head and wrap the free end around the pvc pipe, then do your best impersonation of AWNOLD in Conan the Barbarian on the wheel (if you make a longer arm on the elbow and have some compassionate friends it's a lot easier).
Also if you lose MSM and need disingenuous fairy tales about what is going on in Iraq, try to get some emergency internet connectivity and go to a certain website that starts with a Z.
Hey, whaddaya mean?! This story came straight from the The New York Times. They have have experts and unnamed government officials as sources, and they only print The Real Truth®.
After all, they have a reputation to maintain.
5k rounds of what? Cuz $0.50/rd even now is pretty rich unless you're going to .308 and above, or are practicing with premium ammo vs. white box.
Get a Glock or CZ-75 variant and 5k rounds of steel-case Wolf 9mm, with maybe 1k rounds of premium defense JHP for pistol, and another 5k rounds of steel-case Wolf 7.62 to feed your reliable SKS or AK. If you have spare money, a .45ACP is pretty fun, though I recommend full-frame for that.
For practice:
($0.54/ppr)
And here is some of the hard to find and very expensive ss190 for SD carry when you care enough to send the very best:
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=424418308
So get a proprietary weapons system that shoots tiny, underpowered, extremely expensive ammo that no major military force utilizes? Got it.
E=MV2
All the dead American soldiers at Ft. Hood didn't think it was underpowered. If you want to try to stuff an AR into a backpack, or try to conceal an AK under a jacket, then go ahead. Different jobs require different tools. These recommendations are not for a major military force.
Well, if I was making a list for people who are on a budget, I might recommend they consider something like a Kel-Tec Sub 2000 because it:
But then again, to each his own. A brand new Land Rover might be the perfect Bug Out Vehicle for you.
Got one in the forty. Have had it about five years and never a hitch. Nice because it qualifies as a rifle regarding gun laws which in most states are much more lenient than with pistols, and it can fit under a seat easily. Its a little short in the stock for a larger person but it still has much better accuracy that a pistol.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5rr5tfG7b8
Hickok45 talking about the Kel Tec 2000
Yeah I have to agree with you here. Way better to get something in 9mm or 40 (used by all police forces in america), and something in 5.56 or .308.
.44 mag Dan Wesson with 10 inch barrel, "We The People" edition. I most likely won't hit dick, but I will sure go out having fun and making some noise!
As long as you go out with a smile on your face, no one can fault you.
do you live anywhere near 1600 pennsylvania ave?
I do know a guy who bought an US Army field artillery in NH Actually was an elected representative there. Towed it behind his Honda Accord EX after purchase on the Interstate.
Did get pulled over of course. Had all the permits though...so having field artillery appears street legal even!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUmK7baFCCA
apparently "Rick" has one too.
I have to agree with that. I worked in the Sheriff's Dept for my county a while back and after seeing how weak the 9mm was against a 6'6" 280 lbs crack head, everyone switched back to either .38 special (at the minimum) or their .45 AUTO.
The 5.7x28 fires the same bullet as an AR/M4/M-16 at about twice the velocity of a 9mm.
The Fn5.7 is a great gun. An absolute pleasure to shoot and I had never had a jamb or miss fire. The problem is ammo access. It has been impossible for at least a year until just he last month. And prices went from $20/50 to $70. Check out the TCM 22. Its a 1911 frame with a bottleneck 9mm cartridge pushing a 22 cal bullet. Higher velocity that the 5.7 and will penetrate 1/4" steel. Really loud and lots of fire out the barrel.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFnqoYZcOgc
Another exotic option is the CZ-52. The case can be necked down to accomodate a 223 round, although there are claims the 7.62x25 round as loaded will sometimes penetrate class III armor. I doubt it but there is video footage online of it almost punching through both sides of a kevlar helmet. The pistols used to be $125 but now I think they are north of $300.
In an effort to save some googling:
http://www.theboxotruth.com/the-box-o-truth-29-the-helmets-o-truth/
http://www.theboxotruth.com/educational-zone-25-great-firearms-the-cz-52/
I'm liking the web site a lot. Guy looks and talks like an engineer :)
how about:
.357 lever -action carbine and .357 revolver?
marlin camp 9 carbine with s&w 9mm pistol
marlin camp .45 with .45 acp pistol
Mmmm. I can't wait to get me a nice lever gun.
I swear - the older I get - the more I appreciate good old timey firearms.
Of course I'm not going to get rid of my M14, AR-15, or 870P either.
Too bad they stopped making those Marlin Camp Carbines, I hear there were many after market magazines and drums for both the 45 and 9mm
Depends on when you are buying. Six months ago 9mm was killing me. I was finding 44 for the same price. Regardless, being prepared to me means variety, everything from 22 on up. It forces me to have a lot more ammo in reserve to cover all of the differnet sizes, but there is a tool for every job. Pistols I like to keep on a 1911 architecture simply for redundency of use, but there are tons of variables in even this. Everything from a Sig 22/1911 to a desert eagle 50 share pretty much the same platform, especially safety location and operation. I've got the Glocks too and they are pretty simple, no real safety so less to mess up.
Applause, horsedood, but I want to . . . not take issue with an aspect of your list, but flesh out a matter conceptually.
You will not defend yourself against heavy weapons, and they can be found at national guard armories. In this context, a year of food stored may force poor decisions as regards getting the hell out.
Now, this only really matters if you're in a city (aka deathtrap). If you're rural, you have options. If you're in a city, a year's food is just saving it for whoever kills you.
The "Shelter in Place v. Bugout" decision is a tough one. If you rely on city income, by the time the decision has been made for you regarding bugging-out - the actual trip is potentially going to be very difficult if not impossible. Then, you actually need a place to get to. If it's too close to the city, it might not be much safer. If it's too far, it's going to be even harder to get to and much harder to keep the place functional enough to live out of. Also, if you dont' live in your bug-out location - it's harder to cement relationships with neighbors, which could be critical.
Personally, I like the idea of just jettisoning the city life altogether, also known as "bugging out early."
Yeah, all those farmers armed to the teeth are going to go out and gather refuges with their moronic "bug-out bags" from the city and take them into their arms. Because already you can observe that happening to refugees from cities all over the world.
WTF are you talking about?
My wife and I currently live and work in the city - but we also own a farm that we're in the process of equipping right now. Fencing's done, orchard's in and planted, next-up is repurposing one of our out buildings for business. We've also been develping relationships with our neighbors, and local farmers, contractors, and business people. Nobody seems to mind us so far, armed or not.
Should be all moved-in sometime in the next year. Where's the problem?
To live rurally is to live prepared. The biggest challenge is to be mentally prepared to act when and if necessary.
Ain't that the truth. Of course, having your next meals be dependant on getting your ass in gear and making it happen helps with in the motivation department.
It's such a grounding reality that I honestly can't believe that I traded rural living for deskwork in the city for so long. Farming/homesteading is very hard work, but it feels like coming home.
Owe a farm? That's quite a bit different than the "bug-out" dreams of urban survivalists here. Good for you.
Hope it is still yours when you arrive from the city after a couple hours drive. If there isn't any government, it won't be "your property" in about 5 minutes, which makes you an hour and 55 minutes late.
Possession is 9/10ths of the law, and when the 1/10 of the law goes away, it's 100%.
Drive?
Drive what? A horse and buggy?
When you bugout, you bugout on foot, because the cause of it all will be oil scarcity -- which makes it forever.
No one can do an urban shelter in place in a forever mode.
yes the collapse of law and order as we know it will take 5 minutes, maybe less...lol
Man - aren't you a Debbie-downer? I guess I should just put a gun in my mouth and get it over with, huh?
If you re-read my above posts - our "bug-out" plan is to GTFO of the city ASAP - not wait for disaster. Not only is it more resiliant - it's a better quality of life.
FWIW, I consider myself more of an aspiring "homesteader" than a "survivalist" - but labels are just bins after all.
I figure as long as we don't have Carrington-level EMP in the next year, our move should be relatively uneventful (fingers crossed) as economies seem to crash in mostly slow-motion.
In the event of some sudden Black Swan event that encouraged us to bug-out to the farm now instead of sheltering in place for a while here in the city, I highly doubt I'd have to forcibly evict squatters after only a day or two.
Honestly, how fast are your roving-horde Afghan-vet biker gangs going to be staking-out farms in the middle of the fucking woods. Most of the folks where I am have food stores for a least a few days/weeks (judging by the size of their gardens and all their livestock), and they certainly all have places to stay already. They also tend to cooperate and work together toward common goals. FWIW - our farm is near where the Oso, WA, land slide took place. You want to see the definition of a community coming togehter to support each other? - that is it my friend.
Any would-be city-predators looking for easy pickins would probably be better served dealing with an environment that they already know (ie the city/suburbs) than heading out into the sticks where they would lose any advantage.
PS Your biker friends, vets or not, are going to have a much tougher time dealing with country bumpkins without the resupply chains and air-strike capability they enjoyed in-country.
Man, this dude has been here less then two weeks and for some reason thinks he knows wtf he is talking about. I own/ live on/ and operate a full time vegetable farm. But obviously he knows more because read atlas shrugged.
Who invited Top Gear to fight club? You should know better.
roving bands of toothless vietnam vets on harley's with snubnose .38s that jam every other shot... oh the horror!
50 Acres with a 66 ft snorkelift, putting the wife on sentry. I say that because she is far more ruthless than I ever could be.
- water purification tablets
- Field surgery kit and antibiotics
- crossbow (when ammo runs out)
Don't forget rubbers. You don't need any surprises. I preferred Natura-Lamb before they were taken over, can anyone recommend a natural condom (besides something you would skin and tan yourself, mind you!)
No one is going to have sex with you after the big one. Get some Jergens, all you will need Flasher.
And the point to living without opportunity to slap ham in that case would be ________________?
Let me guess: to be intolerable told-ya-so to all the slightly-less-prepared survivors? Count me out of that redemption fantasy, along with the bomb-will-kill-women-only tweak to your apocalypse simulations.
I am flying a 20 year old 6 ft. collegiate basketball player (center) into Tahoe from Wisconsin next week. Damn nice looking blonde gal too! I am taking her bikini shopping in Reno after I pick her up at the airport on our way to the East Shore beaches. It sounds like a nice 3 days in heaven. I say get it out of your system while you can.
I don't understand your line of reasoning. Are you planning to have Amazon woman snap your cock off for good? Because that's what it would take to "get it out of my system", having it snapped off. Are you bragging? Because in my mind, you should get local pussy for a lot less than the expense of airfare to Tahoe, hotel, rental car, expensive bikini, etc. Christ, why don't you just adopt her?
statement retracted do to Father's around here
make sure you load up on the soft core lesbo porn... she will thank you long time
Hey flasher you could try pig inestines if SHTF! Unless of course you have some religious aversion!
I thought of sausage casing, but, I'm afraid the smell would make it seem like I'm working a grill at San Gennaro's rather than making FlashLovin'. This is the problem I have with survival fantasies...man is not built to survive, he is built to flourish.
> 12 months of food storage....blah, blah, blah, fucking blah.
Survivalists are as hilarious and stupid as somebody who thinks they can walk downtown Chicago drunk with $100 bills hanging out their pockets without being molested. 3 days after everybody else hasn't eaten, and you're patting your full belly...
If I was going to live in primitivist fear (or is it a hope?) that civilization/government is going to collapse, I'd invest that $4500 in a ratbike and whiskey. What are you gonna do when a dozen hungry, well-armed motorcycles driven by veterans of Afghanistan come knocking? I'll tell you: you'll share. 'Cuz sharing is nice. Ask your wife.
Ask around. Professionals will tell you that if we get to that stage no one will be asking...only taking.
We spend unfathomable money on insurance of every stripe. Yes, the end of the world may never come to pass, but most of what HH is advocating is not money thrown away. Much of it still retains value even in a normal world. That's a lot more than you can say for your Allstate premium and ultimately is far less cost.
So are you going to be doing the looting or the "sharing?"
what a douche, is that you in the picture ... i rest my case... and those Armani shades are worth 50 bux, unless the glass gets imbedded in your cornea
Douche
HH, how about those "used" bullet proof vests? Looks like only one partial hole in them. I'm skipping the used ones with the thru-and-thru holes. They smell fishy to me.
Defense shotgun? My sister wants a semi auto one instead of the pump; any comments on those or brand of semi auto? The fellow down the street showed me his Benelli semi auto shotgun and says it's very reliable.
I'm open to any suggestions, experiences, comments. Cheap stuff that works is very good since as everyone knows, I'm a Cheap Bastard.
It is definitely not cheap, but Mrs. Horseman suggets a 12 gauge Benelli M2 Tactical for the ladies, with a short stock from a vendor that is in San Diego, Mesa Tactical.
Add a Surefire forend light, and tritium night sights for the irons. GG&G release plate and charging handle along with a Nordic extension tube and Urban ERT sling and you are good.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-12-04/most-popular-rifle-history-info...
Thnx! Both my sister and my wife are under 5'4" and under 120 lbs so weight and recoil or kind of important but I don't want to be too skimpy on firepower either. Keep up your 5 star posts with solid info.
CB
Check out the Keltec. Its not semi auto but has some great features, like 12-16 round capacity, and bullpup design for close home front confrontations.
http://www.keltecweapons.com/our-guns/ksg/shotgun/
Thnx. I'll definitely take a look at these also. The higher capacity is very sweet esp for a woman who hates to load these things ... they say thier nails get broken ... olr whatever. The higher capacity shold enable them to defend themselves admirably w/o forced to reload in a tense situation [and break a fingernail-God forbid!].
When it comes to defense of yourself/family/friends and community, you "get what you pay for" so do yourself a favor and don't cut corners when purchasing a firearm. I've got a Benelli M1 Super 90 and my girlfriend has the M2. Worth every cent, IMHO. Dependable, fast (8 rds off in 2 seconds-fact), and accurate. I also believe the semiauto benelli is much easier for most females to handle, rather than a pump.
Better to be an "alive" bastard. Good luck.
But still, there is always the sound of racking it that is unmistakeable.
My wife loves that sound.
(kinda scarey ain't it?)
You've got a good point there, but I prefer the sound of eight "00" as fast as the trigger finger can move.
And thats why we need so many guns to choose from!
Don't forget a couple of cases of Marlboros.......everyone knows smokes is gold when the shit hits the fan.....seen it in all those "future" movies.
Preparing for summer.....
o A mummy style sleeping bag like a Wiggies; $250.
o At least one set of heavy wool pants and wool parka, such as Columbia's Gallatin Range ; $350.
o A pair of warm boots, wool socks, warm gloves, and a wool hat; $350.
o Two sets of Patagonia long underwear; $120.
HH, +1 for telling people about Wiggies sleeping bag systems. I had mine for close to 20 years and it bas never let me down. You Da Man