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“It’s going to get a lot hotter in the United States over the next 100 years, and worse going forward," notes a report cited by Bloomberg.The report, below, fearmongers the mutually assured destruction that will happen if something is not done right now about global warming (despite the implications being out to the year 2200) concluding... "The risks are much more perverse and cruel than we saw with the financial crisis, because they accumulate over time...a business-as-usual approach is actually radical risk-taking." Can you guess who sponsored the report and used those M.A.D. words?

First, the report via Bloomberg,

In a report published today called “Risky Business,” commissioned by some of America’s top business leaders to put price tags on climate threats. For example, by the end of the century, between $238 billion and $507 billion of existing coastal property in the U.S. will likely be subsumed by rising seas, and crop yields in some breadbasket states may decline as much 70 percent.


But perhaps the biggest way Americans will physically experience global warming is, well, the warming. By 2050, the average American is likely to see between two and more than three times as many 95 degree days as we're used to. By the end of this century, Americans will experience, on average, as many as 96 days of such extreme heat each year.


The report breaks down “extremely hot” days by region to show what a child born in the past 20 years can expect to see over a lifetime.



The rising heat will strain the U.S. energy system,


As time goes on, the situation worsens.



By the end of the century, the Southeast will see an additional 11,000 to 36,000 people die each year from heat-related conditions as the region swelters under as many as 130 more days of extreme heat, according to the report.




If humans continue to pollute greenhouse gases on the current trajectory, the average Midwesterner could see an HHSI of 95 degrees two days every year by the end of this century. By the end of next century it will be impossible to remain outdoors without a cooling system for 20 days a year.



"The risks are much more perverse and cruel than we saw with the financial crisis, because they accumulate over time...a business-as-usual approach is actually radical risk-taking."

And in case you were wondering who would create such scaremongery (rightly or wrongly) and Mutaully Assured Destructive words?

Today’s report was funded by


Hank Paulson, the former head of Goldman Sachs and Treasury Secretary under George W. Bush,


by former hedge fund manager Tom Steyer and


by Michael Bloomberg, former mayor of New York and founder of Bloomberg LP. Backers also include former U.S. Treasury Secretaries George Shultz and Robert Rubin.

Forget TARP - this time it's the world!!!


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Wed, 06/25/2014 - 20:20 | 4895891 armageddon addahere
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If you want a good laugh look at the Global Warming predictions of 30 years ago, and what they predicted for today.

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 20:34 | 4895942 Yes We Can. But...
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The sky is falling!

The sky is falling!

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 20:35 | 4895946 BigJim
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Where's HackMaster? She should be all over this.

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 20:39 | 4895966 NidStyles
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Oh I bet he has some good ones, like that "hedgetard" one this time!!






Wed, 06/25/2014 - 20:43 | 4895990 gh0atrider
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Fuck global warming and the Al Gore it rode in on!

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 20:45 | 4896001 SumTing Wong
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I'm still hoping for global warming, er climate change, whatever...because I remember Letterman's list of best things about global warming...

"Hot babes, less clothes, 'nuff said!"

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 21:00 | 4896048 Decolat
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Today’s report was funded by


Hank Paulson, the former head of Goldman Sachs and Treasury Secretary under George W. Bush,


by former hedge fund manager Tom Steyer and


by Michael Bloomberg, former mayor of New York and founder of Bloomberg LP. Backers also include former U.S. Treasury Secretaries George Shultz and Robert Rubin.


Follow the fucking money.



Wed, 06/25/2014 - 21:09 | 4896054 Pinto Currency
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Follow the money, indeed.

This all reminds me of the "Beat Inflation NOW" stickers from the 1970s.  (This time we'll probably see "Beat Central Bankers Now" t-shirts in the US and Germany).

Anyway, who are these fools confusing everyone and promoting taxing global warming into oblivion?

Hell with a big enough gov program we can "Beat GLOBAL WARMING Now".

Let's TAX CO2 back to 3.5 parts per 10,000 from 4 parts per 10,000!  YOU CAN DO IT!!!

The following may be a lead...


Rockefellers Midwifed Birth of Obama-mania

April 23, 2008 (EIRNS)—In 2004, a national environmentalist entity created and managed by the Rockefeller family endorsed Barack Obama, then an Illinois state senator with little national reputation, in his race against other Democrats in his Democratic primary for United States senator.

The League for Conservation Voters announced they would "launch a new TV spot, titled 'Rising Star,'" which would run regularly "through Election Day in the Chicago media market." The League's press release boasted that the promotion was expensive: "the ad buy is a significant, six-figure purchase."

In the 2003-2004 campaign season (according to the Center for Public Integrity), the League also paid $297,867 to the political consulting firm of David Axelrod, which was managing Obama's campaign. Axelrod and his firm AKP Message and Media shaped Obama's political image and today manage the Obama Presidential campaign top-down.

The League of Conservation Voters was founded by Laurance S. Rockefeller and his close associates. Among the current directors of the League are Larry Rockefeller, son of Laurance (who died the year of the Obama Senate campaign); Wade Greene, counselor to the Rockefeller family; Donald K. Ross, strategist for the Rockefeller family's envirnomental and foundation activities; and Theodore Roosevelt IV, partner of Felix Rohatyn at Lehman Brothers. Roosevelt is the League's honorary chairman and a long-time leader of the group.

Historically, the Rockefeller family has been a central organizer of the financier faction which took Chicago from Lincoln nationalism and made it a center of the British fascist policy outlook (see accompanying item on David Axelrod).

The League of Conservation Voters works in tandem with the Partnership for New York City, in setting the agenda for New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg. The Partnership was founded by Laurance's brother David Rockefeller, to carry on Felix Rohatyn's policies past the 1970s period when Rohatyn ran the bankers' dictatorship called Big MAC in New York City. ...

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 21:21 | 4896125 AlaricBalth
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Under Paulson’s leadership at Goldman Sachs the firm ramped up its investments in energy efficiency and renewable energy, including solar, wind, and biofuels. “We’ve made well over a billion in [clean-technology] investments,” Paulson said in 2006. “We’re not making those investments to lose money.”

Just talking his and his crony friends' book.

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 21:34 | 4896168 espirit
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The global warming cadre seems to overlook the fact that most of the U.S. (cough, cough, northern hemisphere) will be hot due to 3 NuKuFuKu power plants going China Syndrome (Uh, Ecuador), and WIPP going critical disgorging toxic brew across the flyover farmland.

100 years? Give me a fucking break.

MadMax in Tesla's? Buhahahahaha....


Thu, 06/26/2014 - 01:01 | 4896717 crazyjsmith
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Ransom note written on a napkin...

We all must act now!!  You all must wire me $750 Billion or you will all burn in hell - there is no time to think - my next 5 generations count on it.  

If you don't pay up, you are simply a Racist, a Terrorist and worst of all, most likely a conspiracy theorist.    My paypal account is -

Lord Paulson - 

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 07:01 | 4897014 eclectic syncretist
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Plant a fucking tree in Hank Paulson's ass, and use Bloomberg for the fertilizer.  The carbon dioxide levels drop, and problem solved.

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 09:25 | 4897311 Vampyroteuthis ...
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Looking at the map. Temperatures higher than 92 degrees with humidity? Texas gets that every day during the summer and the future map has a few days in 2200. Ha ha! This is beyond fake to me at that point.

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 21:38 | 4896188 NoDebt
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I find myself wondering why these guys even need a pretense like "glabal warming" any more.  They could just come out and say "We're going to scam you out of your money and there's not a damned thing you can do about it."  Nobody would push back and it would save them a ton of time coming up with lies and dummied-up data to support some fiction they themselves don't even believe.

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 22:40 | 4896441 Greenskeeper_Carl
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thats what its about right there. they want to tax eveything that generates carbon emissions. which is pretty much all economic activity. THats the goal, a global tax on pretty much all economic activity, global warming is just what is being used to sell it to people. nothing but snake oil. What really cracks me up is some of the people on this site, who will correctly call out all the bullshit and lies put out by the govts of the world and the MSM, but when 'global warming' or 'climate change' or whatever comes up, they buy into it hook-line-sinker. those same peolple who will laugh when the govt sock puppets talk about how great the latest GDP or unemployment numbers are will then parrot the climate change hype, how we must 'do something' and encourage yet more govt control over the economy.

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 22:53 | 4896481 Fedaykinx
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it's not really all that funny.  thank goodness i'm self medicated.

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 23:27 | 4896583 Flakmeister
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The above chain reads like a script from Lost....

Well, the self-medicated line wasn't bad...

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 23:32 | 4896591 NidStyles
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Without you, how would we entertain ourselves? 



Wed, 06/25/2014 - 23:45 | 4896627 COSMOS
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YAWN, YAWN ... All I know is warmer temps means more water from the oceans evaporates and falls down as rain.  Who the heck reads Bloomberg or any of the other big media outlets.  They dont report the news they DISTORT it and they serve the interestst of the kleptocracy.  I will not give them my business, period.

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 23:52 | 4896639 Miffed Microbio...
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Well Nid, I myself can think of numerous more pleasurable ways.;-)

Flak to me is that asshole in every class you take asking inane questions or pointless interjections to get the teacher off track. Their sense of self importance never fades and you must endure them to the end with only a fantasy of applying duct tape to their mouth. With a little Zen you can reduce them to a annoying gnat buzzing in your ear. This is usually the best course because they thrive on attention, good or bad.


Thu, 06/26/2014 - 00:54 | 4896724 Flakmeister
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I love it when you talk dirty to us...

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 02:09 | 4896817 NidStyles
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I bet that's not the only dirty thing you like.

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 07:28 | 4897041 eclectic syncretist
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"Without you, how would we entertain ourselves? "

I suppose we could watch old videos of a young Hank Paulson addressing his next victim.

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 23:31 | 4896589 boogerbently
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The "liberals" cure?

I bet if we added a TAX.......THAT would solve the problem.

Less ice = more water = more agriculture.

10,000 years ago we had a couple of more degrees heat, and lot's more farmable land.

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 00:10 | 4896674 Enoch
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you should see the scary looks on paulson's face in the photos on bloomberg. crises actor

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 21:34 | 4896176 r00t61
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One quick nit: It was "Whip Inflation Now," which forms the acronym WIN, started during the Ford presidency.

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 23:41 | 4896618 Greenskeeper_Carl
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you wont hear that these days. admitting inflation was a problem would lead to questions about why it happened:fed printing and deficit spending. Back then, central planners had the problem of relatively honest inflation calculations. nowadays, we just say you can get a huge-assed TeeVee, and that should more than offset any increase in the cost of food


Thu, 06/26/2014 - 02:08 | 4896814 conscious being
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Carl 100% about the AGW as a means to tax more activity.

I just want to add that it also acts as a way to manage the oil production peaking/ plateau without admitting same exists.

Long solar cycles.

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 09:56 | 4897472 sdmjake
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You are correct. It was Whip Inflation Now. And i think his idea, corrected to WHIP Central Bankers Now, sounds fantastic.

Let the whippings commence!

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 21:04 | 4896050 Pinto Currency
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Wed, 06/25/2014 - 20:50 | 4896011 BraveSirRobin
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But I thought we elected Barak Obama? Did we not? Did he not promise to stop the rise of th eseas and heal the planet? Oh, God, I am so confused. Has McCain been president all these years? I should really read a news paper and stop getting my news from the internet.

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 20:54 | 4896026 BurningFuld
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We must start trading those carbon credits NOW or we are all going to die!


Wed, 06/25/2014 - 21:03 | 4896057 tmosley
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Sacrifice your children to Quetzacoatl, or we'll all lie, sorry, die!  Why aren't you worshiping death yet?  You must wordhip death or else you'll die next!

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 02:33 | 4896849 conscious being
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The Mayans used to go around to their vassal states with something like a press gang to collect victims to sacrifice to the god in the well in Chichinetza.  In one village, they had a volunteer, who eventually became known as Rabbit.

One day in the holding pen in Chichenitza town Rabbit's number was up and it was time for him to get tossed into the fearsome well.  The way this worked is that the victim would be tossed in the well over night and in the morning, they'd be found drownd.  On rare occassions, the victim would be found still alive in the morning, in which case they would be brought before the high priests and assembled population to hear what message from the gods the miraculously still alive person carried back.

Sure enough, the next day, when they came to check on Rabbit he was still alive.  They helped him out of the well, brought him before the multitudes, and asked about messages from on high.  Rabbit answered he did have a message, the message being that from now on he's the new boss and everyone can bow down and refer to him as Rabbit I.

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 21:20 | 4896123 soontobeblocked
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AGW proponents should paraphrase ZH's tagline:

"On a short enough timeline, and through selectively ignoring data, and through fabricating other data...statistical frauds can blame anything they want."

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 08:54 | 4897203 Sauk Leader
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They took several samples of prevously adjusted seasonal temp data and plugged it into the BLS X-12-. ARIMA model to get the results. I would say 90% accurate.

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 23:26 | 4896581 Stuck on Zero
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As a scientist I have scientifically extrapolated those dire charts and arrived at the conclusion that by 2450 the surface of the earth will exceed the temperature of molten iron.  Therefore I recommend investing in asbestos.


Thu, 06/26/2014 - 02:04 | 4896808 thamnosma
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But it's been outlawed....

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 17:32 | 4899808 mkkby
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They can't predict the weather beyond looking out the fucking window.  But they can predict it 100 years out with enough certaintly that it becomes the next crisis to manage. 

Oh wait... it's REALLY about raising taxes and therefore keeping the debt ponzi going.  Now we're making sense.

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 18:05 | 4899943 Flakmeister
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Hey numbnuts!

Learn the differecne between climate and weather...

Climate is a long term average, weather is day-to-day...

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 02:01 | 4896806 wee-weed up
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Is Al Gore still trying to get the people...

Who give him massages...

To stroke his middle leg?

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 01:47 | 4896790 Tall Tom
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FlakFRAU is a WOMAN.


FIFY NidStyles

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 04:06 | 4896921 Tall Tom
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Of course FlakFRAU downvotes this. But she knows that I know.

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 20:41 | 4895975 mvsjcl
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"For example, by the end of the century, between $238 billion and $507 billion of existing coastal property in the U.S. will likely be subsumed by rising seas..."


Obviously not allowing for inflation. By my reckoning, the numbers closer approach 230 - 507 TRIllion.

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 20:58 | 4896041 Not Too Important
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The ozone layer is just about completely gone. Fukushima has filled what little atmosphere we have left with thousands of tons of aerosolized enriched uranium and plutonium, with fission still occurring and generating further massive amounts of radiation. The radiation in the North Pacific is killing the phytoplankton, which globally is responsible for 60-70% of our oxygen. The food we eat is mostly GMO, pretty much guaranteed to give us softball-sized tumors within 10 years. In the US and Canada, our drinking water is becoming completely saturated with fracking chemicals.

Global warming, climate change - yes, our atmosphere is completely fucked. No, there isn't a damn thing anyone can do about it. More nuclear reactors will blow, more oxygen will be destroyed, more food will become lethal, more water will become undrinkable.

In the face of this global extinction event, a few people have decided to maximize their profits on the deaths of billions.

We are far past the tipping point. We should be spending our money - real, fake, imagined, whatever - on alleviating the suffering of the masses, and the horrific suffering and death to come. If we don't learn to take care of them, there will be no care for us.

We, and our families, are all on a fast track to an early demise, courtesy of those that want to profit on our deaths.

It's over. If you got 'em, smoke 'em. Otherwise, fuck off, you global warming/climate change earth destroying bastards.


Wed, 06/25/2014 - 21:04 | 4896064 NidStyles
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Uhh, ozone is a form of strata not a "layer", and it can move around, but not completely disappear. If you read into how it's formed it would be obvious why that is the case. 

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 21:15 | 4896105 James_Cole
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Yeah, it's all or nothing. Ozone depletion, pff who cares? Long as something ish is there! In fact, I hear it's going to be grand, just like increased CO2, nothing but good things!! Humans will go extinct, sure, but think of the jellyfish!

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 21:28 | 4896153 NidStyles
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Because Wikipedia is reliable..... 

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 23:04 | 4896511 Fedaykinx
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the ozone issue is not a good angle to take if you're trying to convince people that global warming is real, and in my opinion is yet another example of conflating pollution with CO2.

also note how the latest environmentalist crusade du jour "fracking" is used as an integral part of the pitch; mix that with a little GMO's, Fukushima hysteria, and a healthy dose of bleeing heart nonsense and my bullshit meter is off the scale.

furthermore, if we're past the tipping point and there's nothing we can do, please shut the fuck up about it already.

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 23:42 | 4896620 NidStyles
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Freon molecules are too heavy to reach the levels of strata where "Ozone" natively hangs out. The only place they can interact is over Antartica. During a large percentage of the year there is a shift of ocean bearing CO2, the air literally can suffucate small animals, as seen here:


The primary issue with this is that we have no idea what causes it. It doesn't seem to respond to CO2 shifts so much as it does to participation levels.  So what is this then?


It makes no sense. If it's warming and killing those animals how is the ice thicker?

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 23:47 | 4896631 FredFlintstone
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What ever happened to that old hole in the Ozone layer? I do know a number of entities that made a lot of money on this one.

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 23:53 | 4896646 NidStyles
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There is still a hole there, but you have to remember it's not a layer it's a strata. That means it's a cloud and always permeable. 


Re-dacted version of the above post:

Freon molecules are too heavy to reach the levels of strata where "Ozone" natively hangs out. The only place they can interact is over Antartica. During a large percentage of the year there is a shift of ocean bearing CO2, the air literally can suffucate small animals, as seen here:


The primary issue with this is that we have no idea what causes it. It doesn't seem to respond to CO2 shifts so much as it does to participation levels.  So what is this then?


It makes no sense. If it's warming and killing those animals how is the ice thicker?

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 02:12 | 4896819 Tall Tom
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I have a hypothesis as to the "depletion" of Stratospheric Ozone.  Jet Engines at Stratospheric levels are operating in an Oxygen Starved Environment. At the extreme Temperatures and Pressures the Ozone will break down into Free Oxygen and Oxidize the Jet Fuel. Ozone, after all, is just O3.


I am certain that the Aerospace Industry did not want this goose out of the bag so, in cahoots with NASA, they created the CFC Myth.


Of course it is a hypothesis and I am certain that any study into this has been quashed or not funded.


What do you think?

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 11:20 | 4897859 Matt
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Jets typically operate at 30,000 to 40,000 feet:

Whereas the Ozone layer starts at over 60,000 feet (20 to 30 Km up):

So I believe this is unlikely.

Although a few have made it higher than that:

The atmospheric nuclear bomb tests probably blew a bunch of ozone into space, though.

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 23:57 | 4896654 Miffed Microbio...
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Well, it is basically closing which means that avenue of tax revenue has been closed off as well. However, there is still a way to claim the closure may indeed cause warming to worsen so that avenue will open. The trick is play both ends. Or have I become to cynical?


Thu, 06/26/2014 - 02:04 | 4896809 Tall Tom
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I know that you already know this Miffed but I am posting under you for the spot and accentuate Nid Styles report of the FACTUAL Information.




Ozone has a Molecular Weight of roughly 48. Dichlorodifluromethane, Cl2F2C, a CFC Refrigerant known as R-12, has a Molecular Weight of roughly 121. It is more than 2.5 Times as heavy as Ozone. It hugs the ground.


It is more than TWICE AS LIKELY that Ground Level Ozone would be lofted to Stratospheric Heights than a R-12 Molecule. (That would serve to replenish the Ozone.)


If it were TRULY THE CASE that R-12 depletes the Ozone "layer" then there should be NO GROUND LEVEL OZONE, as a POLLUTANT, because all of that Ozone will be destroyed by the CFC...FIRST.


Ozone has been a major POLLUTANT since the advent of the Generator in Motor Vehicles. That is what creates the Ozone at Ground Level.

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 18:07 | 4899954 Flakmeister
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You should have quit while you were ahead....

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 09:25 | 4897308 Flakmeister
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Freon molecules are too heavy?


A new level of Hedgetardness on your part...

Hamilton provides an example of why the mean upward airflow is so significant: “The manufacture of ozone-destroying chemicals such as the freon compounds used in the past in spray cans and in refrigerators has been largely banned for over 20 years. These chemicals, however, remain in the atmosphere for many decades. They are slowly flushed out of the lower atmosphere into the upper atmosphere where they are destroyed. Stronger mean upward airflow transports these chemicals more quickly into the upper atmosphere, and the ozone layer will recover more quickly to its natural state before the introduction of man-made freon compounds.”

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 13:44 | 4898591 Death and Gravity
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"Because Wikipedia is reliable..... "

Going the way of criticizing anything that doesn't agree with you, ie. the Conservapedia route.

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 21:31 | 4896163 soontobeblocked
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If during the winter months my thermostat doesn't need to kick on the heater and consume "fossil" fuels as often, is that a good thing?  During the summer the missus and I can (and do) shed the heavy clothing. 

If the growing season is extended and I no longer need to eat produce trucked in from CAL (using "fossil" fuels) is that a good thing? 

It's not necessarily a lose:lose game AGW mongers.  Similarly, it's "curious" that the acolytes of the Overpopulated Earth Religion haven't done the Earth (and us) a favor by turning their selves into death cults.  "No, no, no, that's for the OTHER guy.  WE are here to save you - er, no, wait, we're not - and only WE are smart enough to run your lives."  NIMBY fucks.

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 21:36 | 4896183 Matt
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The problem is not slightly warmer temperatures. The problems include rising sea levels (a lot of people live in coastal areas and will relocate), changes in rainfall patterns, spread of diseases to new areas, invasive species, extreme weather events.

The issue is not climate change itself, which happens, but human accelerated change that will happen faster than species can adapt.

The world population is already in line to level off and then slowly decline. Only Africa is expected to see any major rise in population levels.

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 23:11 | 4896536 Jack of All Trades
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Hank Paulson, Al Gore and the rest of the global warming, err climate change frauds thrive and profit enormously b/c sheeple lack critical thinking skills to detect the scam being perpetrated!

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 13:51 | 4898634 Flakmeister
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Those two were thriving without AGW....

You clearly lack the skills to figure that out, so you best put down the bottle of stupid sauce...

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 21:33 | 4896167 Matt
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The hole in the Ozone Layer is closing up, and by 2080 should be fully replenished to pre-1950s levels:



Wed, 06/25/2014 - 21:35 | 4896178 James_Cole
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Yes, as the wiki points out. And remember (ng):

Fixing the Ozone Hole a Unanimous Decision

The disturbing discovery set the stage for an environmental triumph: the Montreal Protocol of 1987.

This pact to phase out the use of CFCs and restore the ozone layer was eventually signed by every country in the United Nations—the first UN treaty to achieve universal ratification.

The unparalleled cooperation has had a major impact.

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 22:00 | 4896288 NidStyles
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Funny, it fell right in line with the expiration of patents on Freon and that entire class of chemicals too. 

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 01:45 | 4896788 falconflight
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And the costs of servicing your HVAC or Auto A/C has tripled.

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 10:16 | 4897561 Flakmeister
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An cases of melanoma and other skin cancers have sky rocketed....

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 11:39 | 4897970 Not Too Important
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Just the tip of the iceberg, Flak. It's burning the crops worldwide.

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 12:40 | 4898270 Miffed Microbio...
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. Melanoma is highly correlated to vitamin D deficiency( rampant today)not sun exposure. Melanoma often occurs in areas with no sun exposure such as between the toes (unlike basal and squamous cell skin cancers). Proper sun exposure is healthful not harmful and such fear mongering just perpetuates more vit D deficiency and thus more cancer. Unless that the plan. Dermatologists and oncologists need to eat too.


Thu, 06/26/2014 - 12:47 | 4898301 Flakmeister
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Ah Miffed...

You are so cute when you try to be a hedgetard...

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 21:36 | 4900666 acetinker
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Ah Flak, you are such an idiot-probably dropped on your head at birth- all the time.  You know I don't usually write off human beans as not only worthless, but actually destructive to their own kind... I can make an exception in your case.

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 23:51 | 4900935 Flakmeister
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You're just jealous, you couldn't last 2 weeks outside your echo chamber....

Fri, 06/27/2014 - 22:36 | 4904636 acetinker
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I have lasted fifty-six years inside my echo chamber.  You, on the other hand, want us all to hold hands and sing kum-ba-ya.

That would be cool if it were possible, but it ain't.

Fri, 06/27/2014 - 23:59 | 4904818 Flakmeister
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Not in the least...

I just want rationality...

Sun, 06/29/2014 - 20:18 | 4908294 acetinker
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Rational people couldn't possibly be convinced that we lowly beings are responsible for 'climate change'.  The fact that you and I can converse across vast distance almost instantly does not change the fact that this earth is a vast ecosystem.  Would you agree that matter can neither be created or destroyed?  You may argue that it can be converted, but that is only temporary.  Seems permanent to you- me too sorta, but that's 'cos we don't live long enough to see the results.

The poop we pump into the air will be rather quickly (in the grand scheme of things) be buried back into the ground from whence it came.

You and I will be scarcely remembered, but our mother earth will reclaim that which is hers.  As it should be.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 09:22 | 4909245 Flakmeister
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Empty rhetoric...

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 13:45 | 4898604 Death and Gravity
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Will you also offer a blinking smiley-face if youre ever set face-to face with someone who took your advice and as a result, did not protect themselves from excessive solar readiation (because they took enough Vitamin D and as such thought themselves "protected") and as a result got skin cancer?

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 19:38 | 4900242 Miffed Microbio...
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I said proper skin exposure. Excessive burning has been shown to increase basal and squamous cell. However these are far less lethal than melanoma. I have looked at many of our melanoma patients and not one wasnt Vit D deficient. Anecdotal? Yes but that Vit D is involved in gene expression and regulation it makes plausible sense. Cancer is the result of many factors including stress, deficiencies, toxic chemicals and ionizing radiation. There is probably a genetic component as well but epigenetics has show this is not definitive. I certainly do not mean to imply Vit D ( which is a misnomer because it is not a vitamin) is some magic bullet to ward off any chance of cancer. However, this is one thing a person can do to enhance their chances of prevention. Whereas toxicity and ionizing radiation today is more prevalent and difficult to avoid.


Fri, 06/27/2014 - 22:52 | 4904694 acetinker
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Onions, Miffed- onions.  You can take out any external case of sqamous cells with onions.  Yeah, I had one on the back of my hand, but an onion killed it- more accurately, a bit of an onion secured by a band-aid for just a few hours killed the wart on the back of my hand.

I've got some pretty serious skin-tag lookin' shit above my left breast.  I'm gonna use onions.

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 18:16 | 4899981 trader1
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Poison is in everything, and no thing is without poison. The dosage makes it either a poison or a remedy.


Wed, 06/25/2014 - 21:59 | 4896285 NidStyles
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There was never really a hole according to Sao Paulo and Costa Rican astro-physicists that took part in the discovery that lead to the orginal book on Ozone. 

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 23:28 | 4896584 Flakmeister
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Beg fuckin' pardon???

Are you snorting ketamine?

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 02:14 | 4896824 NidStyles
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I prefer to ingest my ketamine, and I would appreciate it if you stepped off my porch with your attitude. I've been overly polite to you, and I would expect the same from you. 

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 11:54 | 4897330 Flakmeister
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Your porch? Ha, ha, ha...

You are a fucking moron that may well be the dumbest fuck ever to grace the Hedge...

And I don't doubt you are on Ketamine....

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 23:23 | 4901007 bankerbackbacon
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Flak is clearly the lead hedgetard given he only insults nothing else.

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 23:53 | 4901081 Flakmeister
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No, Hedgetards are very special group here. Not everyone can be a Hedgetard, it is an earned honor...

IIRC, I think you have the Right Stuff...

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 11:52 | 4898044 Not Too Important
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Ever looked at where NatGeo gets their funding from?

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 21:13 | 4896097 TheRedScourge
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Did you forget to add a /SARC at the end of your post?


"Fukushima has filled what little atmosphere we have left with thousands of tons of aerosolized enriched uranium and plutonium"


If not, then I don't think you understand how much nuclear fuel a fission reactor has stored within it, or what the rate of consumption is. We're talking grams here, not tons. Credibility = gone.

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 21:30 | 4896155 NidStyles
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Except the facility that melted into the ground was the on-site storage for spent fuel for both the 1st Fleet Carriers and the entire country of Japan, and it had not been completely emptied in years.

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 11:41 | 4897979 Not Too Important
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Not to mention the tonnage of MOX fuel onsite that all went up.

If you don't know what MOX fuel is, and the dangers involved, look it up. Worse than the Fires of Hell.

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 11:51 | 4898034 Not Too Important
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As far as I can tell, none of it had ever been emptied.

And Fukusima Daiichi had far less nuclear fuel stored than any domestic US nuclear facility. Wait until one of ours goes.

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 23:37 | 4896605 Rusty Shorts
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March 16, 2011 Zoom on North wall of R4 molten mass note the molten mass that flowed out of the wall is gold colour it later turns black as pictures will show. Also not the black smoke rising from R4!

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 21:15 | 4896107 FritoPendejo
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Eff off you wealth-redistributing, one-world government commie. This report is all lies and you don't care about anyone but yourself. You're no different than everyone else. 

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 11:42 | 4897981 Not Too Important
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Actually I'm more concerned about you and your family, and the effects of the industrial contamination of this planet.

Not that compassion is in your dictionary.

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 22:07 | 4896306 Dr. Everett V. Scott
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NotTooImportant says:

We are far past the tipping point... fuck off, you global warming/climate change earth destroying bastards.

Um-m... Global warming stopped seventeen years ago. So much for your swivel-eyed scare, Chicken Little. The sawtooth is CO2 ["carbon" to scientific illiterates. The straight line is the gloibal temperature trend.   "Global warming" AKA "climate change" is simply a hoax to separate the middle class from thier money. Science has nothing to do with it, because real science says it's bunkum.
Wed, 06/25/2014 - 23:29 | 4896587 Flakmeister
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This is so sad...


Thu, 06/26/2014 - 06:38 | 4896992 GetZeeGold
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Don't look at me....I'm taking this crap seriously.


.....OK stop it.....I can't do this with a straight face. So how many trillions of dollars my grandkids don't have would you like me to donate to your little science project again?

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 09:06 | 4897251 detached.amusement
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2 per .02 degrees of warming saved, now pay up!

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 09:31 | 4897334 Flakmeister
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Hedge is as Hedgetard does...

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 11:47 | 4898007 Not Too Important
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Well, Dr., take a look at these - the future of the human race - within 200 years:

If it makes you feel better, tell yourself these are all Photoshopped.

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 11:53 | 4898048 Death and Gravity
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"Global warming stopped seventeen years ago."

Yeah, keep the old denialists myths, refuted a thousand times alive...

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 12:48 | 4898161 Flakmeister
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Even worse it is that fails to look at where 90% of the heat goes...

OHC data keeps motoring along...

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 22:37 | 4896423 ElvisDog
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Jesus, Not Too Important, if what you say is remotely true just put a bullet in your head and be done with it.

Here's an alternative: get a dog. Every day walk your dog. Plant a garden. Every day tend your garden. Don't worry about Armageddon. The Earth is one tough Mother Fucker. She took a direct hit from an asteroid 63 million years ago and kept on ticking. The idea that even 7 billion insignificant little ants called humans could destroy the Earth is ludicrous.

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 11:48 | 4898011 Not Too Important
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We're not destroying the planet. We're just killing everything that lives on it.

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 21:17 | 4896111 soontobeblocked
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Ah, the hubris of eggheads* seeking to elevate their self-import as both academics and humans.

Letter from a Greenlander father to his son circa 1300:

"Son, soon this land of ours will see billions of dollars of its fertile green (hint: GREENland) coastlines and interior lost to ice.  You must spread the word to shut down those factories and embrace green energy!  All hail AGW."

Letter from an old growth forest tree father to his son:

"Son, soon your rings and those of your brothers and sisters will exhibit proof of extended periods of drought.  Not that it will matter to you, but be prepared to hold in your collective laughter centuries from now when another species will visit here and later blame themselves for such droughts."

* disclaimer: I hold multiple advanced degrees in 'hard' sciences

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 07:50 | 4897067 New_Meat
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It was the SUVs that done it!

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 12:19 | 4898170 Flakmeister
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Well your "hard" science educations was lost on you then....

Actaully, I believe that you found all science courses to be too hard....

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 13:58 | 4898688 Death and Gravity
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"Ah, the hubris of eggheads* seeking to elevate their self-import as both academics and humans."

As opposed to those who with the simple stroke of a pen will denounce tens of thousands of scientists in the relevant fields for no other reason than "hubris of the eggheads".

"* disclaimer: I hold multiple advanced degrees in 'hard' sciences"

Including Advanced BullShit and Making Shit Up.

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 20:36 | 4895955 Big Corked Boots
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Seen on a bumper sticker on an HVAC contractor's truck on LI 25 years ago:

Fight Global Warming

Buy a Bigger Air Conditioner

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 20:43 | 4895988 snodgrass
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If coastal areas are going to be underwater soon, why did Al Gore buy a multi-million dollar home in Montecito?

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 21:03 | 4896056 NidStyles
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How much did he pay on insurance?

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 23:40 | 4896616 snodgrass
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So he's scamming the insurance industry just like he's scamming the American public? My, he's busy.

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 20:47 | 4896004 ENTP
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Why look that far for a laugh when you could just look at 2014 GDP estimates. 

Global warming causes bad weather, bad weather caused bad GDP.  Climate change is here to stay, but not bad weather/low GDP.  Please, please believe this....

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 20:48 | 4896005 Da Yooper
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Liberal POS's with a political agenda


call it Global warming


Normal folks call it weather



Thu, 06/26/2014 - 11:55 | 4898054 Death and Gravity
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Wed, 06/25/2014 - 20:53 | 4896024 Flakmeister
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Hey aa! 

Like this one from 1975???

The original paper is linked there...

Show me one fucking prediction that even comes close...

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 22:14 | 4896339 Dr. Everett V. Scott
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Flakmeister says:


Show me one fucking prediction that even comes close...


Show us one fucking prediction by the alarmist crowd that ever happened, from disappearing Arctic ice, to giant methane burps, to oceans "acidifying", to accelerated sea level rise, to global warming itself — which stopped almost two decades ago!


Exactly none of the wild-eyed climate alarmist predictions have ever come true. NONE of them!  So, a question:


Since ZERO climate alarmist predictions have happened... why should any rational person listen to that deluded crowd now??


Planet Earth is telling us that there is nothing either unusual, or unprecedented happening. Therefore, the entire "carbon" scare is a money making HOAX.  Only stupid, creulous people believe in that fairy tale.

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 22:41 | 4896446 ElvisDog
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My favorite chicken little prediction (and I forget who said it) was that if "we" didn't act in 5 days, the damage would be irreversible. 5 days. Their super-sophisticated climate models can predict climate tipping points to within 5 days.

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 07:52 | 4897071 New_Meat
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The Old Farmer's Almanac, published each year, has equal predictive power to the National Weather Service at one week into the future.  Go figure. - Ned

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 09:38 | 4897383 Flakmeister
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A Hedgetard that can't understand the difference between weather and climate...

Does lying to yourself come easy? Or are you really that ignorant?

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 12:00 | 4898081 Death and Gravity
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"Show us one fucking prediction by the alarmist crowd that ever happened, from disappearing Arctic ice,"

Happening. Ever heard of the Larsen B ice shelf? Or did that teeny bit of fact go down the memory hole?

"to giant methane burps,"

Already happening. The underwater permafrost in the Arctic is outgassing into the oceans and atmosphere.

"to oceans "acidifying","

Already happening.

to accelerated sea level rise,

Already happening.

to global warming itself — which stopped almost two decades ago!"

No, it didn't. Are you such a dumbfuck that youll eat out of the hand of the professional denialists usual suspects uncritically?

Start thinking for yourself for once. Youre just regurgitating old talking points.

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 22:48 | 4896465 Implied Violins
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How about reality?  Would that pump your nads?

Robert Felix on what he sees happening with the impending ice age - oh yes, he gives predictions!

Basically, his theory is what is happening now is that yes, more water is entering the atmosphere due to heating, and this is resulting in greater precipitation in many (but obv not most) places around the world...and, this very increase in precip (and changes in the jet stream) is resulting in more precip hitting the poles, with a concomitant buildup of more and more ice over time.  This is definitely being seen in Antarctica at present, but is being 'masked' by geoengineering in the north (not his words, but my personal belief).

I read your links and considered the data, and checked out the comments section because one often finds the best nuggets therein (as is the case here!).  I personally wasn't swayed, because - and this is crucial:  much of the current research being done on 'global warming' is being funded by our government.  There is no longer any value to 'peer review', when your 'peers' all have an axe to grind and if your theories don't march in lockstep with theirs, you won't get any money for your research.  This has unfortunately been the case with science and goverment grant programs since Bush II.  This MUST CHANGE if we are to actually be prepared for the changes coming down the road, instead of pushing a party line meant to line the oligarch's pockets further.


Thu, 06/26/2014 - 09:42 | 4897397 Flakmeister
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Hedgetard gobbledy-gook....

So why is the atmosphere able to hold more water vapor?

Any guesses? 

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 23:29 | 4896572 The_Prisoner
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That's a cute website. Full of ready-made memes for the hipster youth. I know you people believe in getting them while they're young.

But darling, there's some inconsistency here. You get your panties in a wad when people link to Goddard, or WUWT and you link to this meme-fest as evidence and expect people to take is face-value?

On another note, you must be quite proud to have Rober Rubin, Paulson and Bloomberg at your back. You might even get enough funding to take your 10 year old daughter to Antartica to get stuck on the ice this year on the taxpayer dime. Gotta keep up with the Joneses (or Taylors).


Wed, 06/25/2014 - 21:22 | 4896132 Matt
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Here's one from 1981 that, if we use the slow growth trajectory, estimated by 2010 we would have about 0.4 celsius temperature rise. Looks like they only underestimated warming by 30%.

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 21:33 | 4896170 James_Cole
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Someone in the comments points out this:


Swedish scientist, Svante Arrherius, puts forward the theory of the greenhouse effect and calculates that doubling of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere will increase temperatures by 5°C to 6°C

Yes, famed chemist Arrhenius had this figured out a long time ago..

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 22:21 | 4896359 Calmyourself
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Yes James and in 1922 it was happening as well..

This will be the defining issue I am not putting my neck in the global warming noose for Hank Paulson or Bloomberg or Al Gore to become richer and more arrogant, I am not..


Wed, 06/25/2014 - 22:39 | 4896435 James_Cole
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Don't be blinded by knee-jerk emotional reactions. Your reference cites anecdotal evidence of a trend, climate modelling is based on testable hypothesis, so far those hypotheses have been borne out, 'believe it' or not - reality is what it is. 

*edit, funny watching people who don't know who hte fuck Arrhenius was downvoting him. 

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 01:39 | 4896784 falconflight
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So so very inaccurate.  The data used to create the "hockey Stick" temperature model does NOT exist.  It does NOT exist.  That what the upshot of the East Anglia Climate Unit emails that were outed showing the preeminent climate scientists discussing how to manage a situation of discovery by the world of the data's non existence.  

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 09:48 | 4897420 Flakmeister
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Wow. so how did they get the data for all these other hockeysticks?

Cited in IPCC TAR

The IPCC Third Assessment Report (TAR WG1) cited the following reconstructions supporting its conclusion that the 1990s was likely to have been the warmest Northern Hemisphere decade for 1,000 years:[2]

  • Mann, Bradley & Hughes 1998 "Global-scale temperature patterns and climate forcing over the past six centuries"
  • Jones et al. 1998 "High-resolution palaeoclimatic records for the last millennium: interpretation, integration and comparison with General Circulation Model control-run temperatures".
  • Pollack, Huang & Shen 1998 "Climate change record in subsurface temperatures: A global perspective".
  • Mann, Bradley & Hughes 1999 "Northern hemisphere temperatures during the past millennium: Inferences, uncertainties, and limitations".
  • Briffa 2000 "Annual climate variability in the Holocene: interpreting the message of ancient trees".
  • Crowley & Lowery 2000 "How Warm Was the Medieval Warm Period?".
Cited in NRC Report (North Report)

North et al. 2006 highlighted six recent reconstructions, one of which was not cited in AR4:[3]

Cited in IPCC AR4

The IPCC Fourth Assessment Report (AR4 WG1) cited the following reconstructions in support of its conclusion that the 20th century was likely to have been the warmest in the Northern Hemisphere for at least 1,300 years:[4]

  • Jones et al. (1998), calibrated by Jones, Osborn & Briffa 2001 "The Evolution of Climate Over the Last Millennium".
  • Mann, Bradley & Hughes (1999)
  • Briffa (2000), calibrated by Briffa, Osborn & Schweingruber 2004 "Large-scale temperature inferences from tree rings: a review".
  • Crowley & Lowery 2000 "How Warm Was the Medieval Warm Period?".
  • Briffa et al. 2001 "Low-frequency temperature variations from a northern tree ring density network".
  • Esper, Cook & Schweingruber 2002 "Low-Frequency Signals in Long Tree-Ring Chronologies for Reconstructing Past Temperature Variability",
    recalibrated by Cook, Esper & D'Arrigo 2004 "Extra-tropical Northern Hemisphere land temperature variability over the past 1000 years".
  • Mann & Jones 2003 "Global surface temperatures over the past two millennia."
  • Pollack & Smerdon 2004 "Borehole climate reconstructions: Spatial structure and hemispheric averages".
  • Oerlemans 2005 "Extracting a climate signal from 169 glacier records".
  • Rutherford et al. 2005 "Proxy-based Northern Hemisphere surface temperature reconstructions: Sensitivity to method, predictor network, target season, and target domain".
  • Moberg et al. 2005 "Highly variable Northern Hemisphere temperatures reconstructed from low- and high-resolution proxy data".
  • D'Arrigo, Wilson & Jacoby 2006 "On the long-term context for late twentieth century warming".
  • Osborn & Briffa 2006 "The spatial extent of 20th-century warmth in the context of the past 1200 years".
  • Hegerl et al. 2006 "Climate sensitivity constrained by temperature reconstructions over the past seven centuries".
Subsequent reconstructions
  • Smith et al. 2006 "Reconstructing hemispheric-scale climates from multiple stalagmite records".
  • Juckes et al. 2007 "Millennial temperature reconstruction intercomparison and evaluation".
  • Lee, Zwiers & Tsao 2008 "Evaluation of proxy-based millennial reconstruction methods".
  • Huang, Pollack & Shen 2008 "A late Quaternary climate reconstruction based on borehole heat flux data, borehole temperature data, and the instrumental record"
  • Mann et al. 2008 "Proxy-based reconstructions of hemispheric and global surface temperature variations over the past two millennia"
  • Kaufman et al. 2009 "Recent warming reverses long-term arctic cooling".
  • Tingley & Huybers 2010a "A Bayesian Algorithm for Reconstructing Climate Anomalies in Space and Time".
  • Ljungqvist 2010 "A New Reconstruction of Temperature Variability in the Extra-Tropical Northern Hemisphere During the Last Two Millennia".
  • Christiansen & Ljungqvist 2011 "Reconstruction of the Extratropical NH Mean Temperature over the Last Millennium with a Method that Preserves Low-Frequency Variability".
  • Ljungqvist et al. 2012 "Northern Hemisphere temperature patterns in the last 12 centuries".
  • Christiansen & Ljungqvist 2012 "The extra-tropical Northern Hemisphere temperature in the last two millennia: Reconstructions of low-frequency variability".
  • Marcott et al. 2013 "A Reconstruction of Regional and Global Temperature for the Past 11,300 Years"
  • Ahmed et al. 2013 (PAGES 2k Consortium) "Continental-scale temperature variability during the past two millennia"
  • Shi et al. 2013 "Northern Hemisphere temperature reconstruction during the last millennium using multiple annual proxies"
Thu, 06/26/2014 - 12:09 | 4898125 Death and Gravity
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"*edit, funny watching people who don't know who hte fuck Arrhenius was downvoting him. "

What do you expect from mindlessly dogmatic people with an ideological interest in ragging on a  concept they have no understanding of?

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 01:18 | 4896757 bankerbackbacon
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Guess what he and you still don't understand?

That the earth has had varying levels of PPMV CO2 throughout millions of years and that includes much higher concentrations. Its also more complex than the CO2 tax cult makes it out to be as the earth is an open system which deals with flucuations in things like Carbon dioxide by for example: plants and trees grow faster.


Nothing is more nausiating that Left wing tax loving, CO2 monkeys spewing bad climate models ("useful idiot" Lenin). LEARN SOMETHING before you open your mouth. By the way I studied climate in University did you armchair geographer?


Global Warming, how about fucking Fracking and Industrial pollution. Count on idiots to be led astray by Majickians with the oldest trick in the book.


Thu, 06/26/2014 - 09:50 | 4897437 Flakmeister
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A new Hedgetard on the block..

the earth is an open system which deals with flucuations in things like Carbon dioxide by for example: plants and trees grow faster.

Keep it up and Nid will have some competition for being the dumbest fuck here...

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 12:10 | 4898129 Death and Gravity
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"That the earth has had varying levels of PPMV CO2 throughout millions of years"

Relevance to an issue that has arisen since the rise of idustrialization: ZERO.


Thu, 06/26/2014 - 01:03 | 4896741 Roger Knights
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"Here's one from 1981 that, if we use the slow growth trajectory, estimated by 2010 we would have about 0.4 celsius temperature rise. Looks like they only underestimated warming by 30%."

But what actually occurred was the fast-growth trajectory, so they overestimated warming.

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 01:33 | 4896777 Matt
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Nope. Please practice reading charts. It clearly shows the temps are even above the high growth scenario.

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 02:24 | 4896833 45Condor
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Hmm... and many studies that are ot funded by those with an interest in profiting from the finance to be gleaned from fear, suggest otherwise.

These range from considerations of solar cycles, CERN cloud experiments, or even something as seemingly simply as tree rings.

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 02:38 | 4896854 John_Coltrane
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Let's see, the last time Paulson made a prediction about a complex non-linear system with multiple feedbacks (i.e. the financial markets) he predicted artificially lower interest rates would lead to perpetual prospersity.  The actual result: a complete debt induced collaspse and depression in 2008 in which we are still embedded.  Paulson believed you can never have enough debt, and that the solution to too much debt is more debt, just as he is suggesting lowering CO2 will lower the future temperature.  However, since we have been coming out of a long glacial period for the last 10000 years, and interglacials rarely last longer than 10000-20000 years, my bet is on a future heavily glaciated earth.  Hank should understand when you're making lower highs and lower lows over the last 10000 years, that's called a downtrend.   And we've got 1000000 years of ice core data showing the irrelevance of CO2 levels to global temperatures as we went through 9-10 glacial/interglacial periods to back up that downtrend bet.  (CO2 changes after the T increases, so not causal merely correlation)  Man can no more influence the future climate than Paulson could control the financial markets in 2008.  However, if we do get a little warmer temperatures due to natural variation then we'll get to see those Roman roads through the Swiss alps which are still buried under glacial ice and maybe even do some wine growing in Northern Britain as during the medieval warming period around 900-1300.  Let's just enjoy the fact that we're coming out of the little ice age while we can. 

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 09:55 | 4897463 Flakmeister
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But it isn't Paulson making the prediction you dumb Hedgetard...

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 23:22 | 4900998 bankerbackbacon
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I don't see your brilliance just idiotic name calling

Fri, 06/27/2014 - 00:50 | 4901101 Flakmeister
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Go ahead, let's talk some real climate science, what do you make of this?

Came across this tonight, seems plausible, better data would clearly help things:

Its a real paper...

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 20:21 | 4895896 philipat
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Shouldn't Solyndra have chipped in also? Oh, wait.......

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 20:23 | 4895900 ebworthen
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"Global Warming" is another manufactured crisis to control and bleed the populace.

Pollution and waste - along with nuclear radiation from broken reactors and spent fuel rods - is ignored or swept under the rug.

Funny how the last Ice Age ended without any help from humanity.

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 20:34 | 4895923 Grande Tetons
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Don't kid yourself those dinosaur riding cavemen could shovel. 

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 20:36 | 4895951 BringOnTheAsteroid
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You've identified a spectacular irony. Not a peep from the MSM about Fukushima that will be bleeding toxic radioactivity into the Pacific and the atmosphere for hundreds of years to come yet the CO2 levels rise by a tiny percentage and the sky is falling.

Humans are fucking fucked. 

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 21:17 | 4896110 TheRedScourge
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There's not actually that much nuclear fuel in a single power plant, what's leaking out is "contaminated water". Toxic? Most definitely. World-ending? Hardly.

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 21:32 | 4896161 BringOnTheAsteroid
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Not that much fuel in a single power plant ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

Have you heard of spent fuel pools ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

Fukushima has all it's spent fuel ever created since the inception of the plant, in spent fuel pools, on site, 15 meters in the air. According to FOIA documents there is good cause to believe that all the fuel in reactor 4's pool actually burnt to a cinder.

A dramatic failing of human thinking is to predict risk well into the future. The toxic water pouring into the Pacific will be pouring for hundreds of years to come. Every organism in the Pacific, howvever close or far away will ingest some amount of radioactive particles. Every second, every minute, every hour, every day, every month, every year for hundreds of years. Accumulating. Bio-accumulating. Concentrating. Magnifying as each organism ingests another. Every organism.

I don't think humans are ready to grasp the stark, stark, reality of what has happened. We have a dealt a blow to the ecosystem that cannot be resolved. There are 500 of these reactors in the northern hemisphere. All I can say is I hope you don't have children. 

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 21:42 | 4896207 Matt
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It's probably not that bad. The Russians have been leaking vast amounts of radiation all over the place, especially with that super radioactive lake they made. They have old nuclear submarines rusting away in Murmansk right into the Arctic. Thousands of nuclear bombs were set off in the atmosphere. Just make sure young children get their vitamins, so they don't absorb from the environment, and it might be ok.

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