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“It’s going to get a lot hotter in the United States over the next 100 years, and worse going forward," notes a report cited by Bloomberg.The report, below, fearmongers the mutually assured destruction that will happen if something is not done right now about global warming (despite the implications being out to the year 2200) concluding... "The risks are much more perverse and cruel than we saw with the financial crisis, because they accumulate over time...a business-as-usual approach is actually radical risk-taking." Can you guess who sponsored the report and used those M.A.D. words?

First, the report via Bloomberg,

In a report published today called “Risky Business,” commissioned by some of America’s top business leaders to put price tags on climate threats. For example, by the end of the century, between $238 billion and $507 billion of existing coastal property in the U.S. will likely be subsumed by rising seas, and crop yields in some breadbasket states may decline as much 70 percent.

 

But perhaps the biggest way Americans will physically experience global warming is, well, the warming. By 2050, the average American is likely to see between two and more than three times as many 95 degree days as we're used to. By the end of this century, Americans will experience, on average, as many as 96 days of such extreme heat each year.

 

The report breaks down “extremely hot” days by region to show what a child born in the past 20 years can expect to see over a lifetime.

 

 

The rising heat will strain the U.S. energy system,

 

As time goes on, the situation worsens.

 

 

By the end of the century, the Southeast will see an additional 11,000 to 36,000 people die each year from heat-related conditions as the region swelters under as many as 130 more days of extreme heat, according to the report.

 

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If humans continue to pollute greenhouse gases on the current trajectory, the average Midwesterner could see an HHSI of 95 degrees two days every year by the end of this century. By the end of next century it will be impossible to remain outdoors without a cooling system for 20 days a year.

 

 

"The risks are much more perverse and cruel than we saw with the financial crisis, because they accumulate over time...a business-as-usual approach is actually radical risk-taking."

And in case you were wondering who would create such scaremongery (rightly or wrongly) and Mutaully Assured Destructive words?

Today’s report was funded by

 

Hank Paulson, the former head of Goldman Sachs and Treasury Secretary under George W. Bush,

 

by former hedge fund manager Tom Steyer and

 

by Michael Bloomberg, former mayor of New York and founder of Bloomberg LP. Backers also include former U.S. Treasury Secretaries George Shultz and Robert Rubin.

Forget TARP - this time it's the world!!!

 

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Thu, 06/26/2014 - 01:33 | 4896774 Roger Knights
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"97% of scientific research in the last 2 years claims that climate change (warming) is real and getting worse."

Wrong. The survey-based consensus is that man is responsible for over 50% of the warming observed in the past 50 years. That's the AGW thesis. Most skeptics would agree with it. Most climate contrarians would also agree that, other things being equal, increasing CO2 will increase the global temperature by maybe 1 degree by 2100. That degree of climate change will not be "worse," it will be beneficial. (E.g., the biosphere will benefit from increasing CO2--it's already "greened" globally by 11% as a result.)

What the 97% does NOT include is any catastrophic component (the CAGW thesis)--or even any prediction that the warming will continue. The %age in agreement with those two propositions is distinctly lower than 97%.

"What's more statistically probable, 97% of scientists are wrong or these people are conspiracy theory nutjobs?"

Those 97% have been 93% wrong in their predictions (i.e., the actual global temperature is about to go below the IPCC's 95% confidence level boundary line), and within a couple of years they'll be 97% wrong. So they are not trustworthy. If they were truly scientists that would give them second thoughts. Not these guys--they are fanatics who have doubled down on their fad.

Who cares if they wear lab coats (have PhDs)? That's just the emperor's new clothing.

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 10:05 | 4897173 Flakmeister
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Psst... Tol had to issue a correction about that... He blamed "Gremlins"...

http://www.aeaweb.org/articles.php?doi=10.1257/jep.28.2.221

Otherwise a fine collection of bullshit you put together...

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 12:45 | 4898294 Death and Gravity
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"Who cares if they wear lab coats (have PhDs)? That's just the emperor's new clothing."

People in lab coats developed the tool youre currently using to spread your BS.

Whereas youre spreading disingenuous talking points people with PhDs are actively working to increase the knowledge and capability of humanity, but i sense you give zilch about those people.

Fri, 06/27/2014 - 11:11 | 4902316 stilletto
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In ancient Rome more than 97% of people thought the sun traveled across our flat earth. So according to your logic the earth was flat! Consensus is not science.

Fri, 06/27/2014 - 11:52 | 4902421 Flakmeister
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True....

But when a bunch of scientists agree on something about a field of study that they are the experts in, a scientific concensus clearly exists...

Do you think that there is no consensus on thermodynamics, quantum mechanics etc... ?

You are playing at semantics and poorly at that...

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 22:10 | 4896329 Oppressed In Ca...
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Al Gore's stupida** movie removed all credibility for the global warming hypothesis (CARTOONS of polar bears drowning is classic propaganda, you Nazis).  All you greenies would have a lot more success if you tell Gore to STFU.  Good grief - there was a Nobel prize and even an Oscar.

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 02:19 | 4896828 dumbStruck
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The level of ignorance here is probably fairly representative of the general population, denial is big whenever there's something going on people don't want to accept. You see it in people having heart attack symptoms, they all ask for tums and say the pain will go away as soon they rest up a bit. No one wants to go to emergency, they'll stay home until they drop rather than get checked out because they don't want to face the possibility they could be in a lot of trouble and really need to do something about it. How many are willing to change their lifestyle even when they know it leads to heart attack city ? Society is no different, no one wants to change their lifestyle in a big way, so we deny the social heart attack up there in the future. These people who are publishing these heat maps and whatever, Im extremely sceptical regarding their motivations for doing so, I tend to view them as underhanded slimy scum willing to sink to any level of deception to make a buck and not giving a damn, or even capable of doing so, as regards anyone or thing else. Their is almost no room at all for doubt that global warming is for real and caused mainly by burning hydrocarbons with complete abandon. There are parties heavily invested in the extraction and sale of said hydrocarbons who have been, as in big tobacco, denying that their product is dangerous and paying anyone they can find to put out anti-climate change propaganda. It is very good for them so many are willing to do the denying for them, even without being paid for it. As to the accuracy of the information they've put out I would cross check like crazy before accepting it as correct. It occurs to me they could have ulterior motives in publishing these maps et al. When someone who has a good reputation for honesty and knowledgeability speaks, the wise are willing to listen and  seriously consider what is said. When those who are known to be dishonest and corrupt speak, people tend to disbelieve what is said, so the tendency here by those who are on the fence in regards global warming maybe to automatically disbelieve that global could be real because the source of the information, if not the information itself, is suspect. Thus those wishing to "dis" global warming can do so simply by making noises that they support the science and posting data,which if factually correct, is discounted anyways.

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 20:58 | 4896039 Duc888
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Yea, 2080, I should worry about that.

Not.

We'll all be eatin' ground worms and grubs anyway.

 

 

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 21:01 | 4896053 Duc888
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Mebizzaro:Deny it or not but West and Central Texas up towards the panhandle is quickly going through 'desertification' faster than anyone in state gov't or at Texas A&M predicted.  Cousin who has lived down since the 90s when he was at Ft. Hood outside of Killeen has been stunned by the change in climate since then especially in the hill country around Amarillo.

 

I like the deserts.  I've always wanted to move to AZ or NM, maybe I can consider moving to Texas if that trend continues.

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 21:04 | 4896063 directaction
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Either humanity takes action to reduce its population to ten percent of what it now is or nature will do it for us. We have very little time remaining to choose which path. 

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 21:44 | 4896216 shovelhead
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Suicide is painless

It brings on many changes

And I can take or leave it

If I please.

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 21:07 | 4896072 Duc888
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Bringontheasteroid: Population reduction is THE  ONLY SOLUTION but we collectively seem incapable of arriving at this obvious conclusion. Men want to root and woman want babies so you c an kiss your carbon reduction goodbye. Mother nature will sort this out, it'll just be a little tumultuous is all. Consider an agar plate with a bacteria colony on it. It will simply keep growing until the resources/food have been depleted at which point the entire colony dies. In our case the earth is the agar plate and the odd nuclear meltdown here and there might hurry things along.

In our lifetime, I have to pinch myself when I type this, we will see a decimation of the human population. Just watch Alan Bartletts "The greatest threat to humanity is out lack of understanding of the exponential function". The pond is half covered with lily pads and the next doubling is the final one. If you were dumb enough to have kids because you couldn't see this coming, dumb enough to be the final contibutors to the population explosion by adding that last generation of bacetria to the agar plate, your decision will come home to bite you in the most cruel and unforgiving manner."

 

Life's a bitch and then ya die.  No one gets out alive.  Don't sweat the details, mmmmmkkkaaayyyyy?

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 03:23 | 4896904 BringOnTheAsteroid
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Can't disagree. It's just a shame we have to fuck the earth up at the same time. But even then, hey, the sun will blow up in a few billion years even if we maintained an earthly paradise. Som you're right, what's the point of even discussing it. Truth be known, I just can't face work at the moment and this is a bit of a distraction.

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 21:09 | 4896082 Duc888
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directaction: "Either humanity takes action to reduce its population to ten percent of what it now is or nature will do it for us. We have very little time remaining to choose which path. "

 

You first hoss.  Show us all how it's done.

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 21:19 | 4896120 buzzsaw99
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he probably has six kids. lulz

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 21:05 | 4900551 BringOnTheAsteroid
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Is this a trick question. Stop having so many fucking kids. 

Oh my goodness me, we humans just can't figure out how to wear a rubber before sex yet we're running nuclear reactors all over the fucking place.

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 21:11 | 4896092 Bemused Observer
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I don't doubt that all the crap we put into the air has had some effects. To deny that just seems dumb.

But I think the one side overplays the problem. They give us the "Day After Tomorrow" scenario. The other side plays ostrich, and makes like there is no problem at all.

I think both are wrong. Both sides have an agenda that has nothing to do with "global warming"...not sure what it is, but there's money involved, that much I DO know.

That being said, common sense would tell you that we HAVE to come up with an energy source to replace petroleum, because even though it isn't about to run dry tomorrow, we ARE getting down to the gunky stuff on the bottom of many of the wells. That stuff is much more expensive to refine, and the other drilling/fracking methods are more costly to do. We may not run out of oil, but those prices are going to start getting very ugly. How would your own budgets handle gas and oil at three times current prices?

So why postpone the inevitable? Why not start NOW, and get a jump on the situation BEFORE we end up frantically reacting to it? Both Dems AND Repubs should be in agreement here, to say anything else would not be reasonable.

So I don't get the strong resistance from the right on this. What is the point of talking down alternate energy sources, of criticizing any investments of public funds for this purpose? What is the point of only backing something if it is oil, gas, or coal, and ridiculing anything solar, wind, battery? Why is it that when you say "Renewable Energy" to the hard right, they all get a look on their face like you just handed them a jar of warm sputum or something? With some it seems almost visceral, instant disgust and contempt.

This seems so obviously political and mindless, a position being taken reflexively, without thought. We KNOW this problem is coming, we're going to WAR over this stuff for chrissakes! And its increasing costs are helping to cripple world economies, so..what's the problem here? What would be the argument for NOT having an alternate source or making the effort to find one?
We don't have to go all the way to 'Day After Tomorrow' thinking, but it's hardly radical to recognize the need to do something.

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 22:07 | 4896312 Matt
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"What is the point of talking down alternate energy sources, of criticizing any investments of public funds for this purpose?"

Public funding is generally squandered. They spend several times as much as a private person or company would to get a result. A big part of this is so people can line their pockets. Public Union labour, Crony Corporations, politicians all lining their pockets with everyone elses money.

A second issue is that we can see the results of previous and current attempts. Before determining if it is economically viable, or if the project will generate more energy over its lifetime then went into creating it, they roll it out in massive public projects or subsidies for people or companies to get.

The way public funding should be used, in my opinion, is through government universities doing research, and then the intellectual property should be open source. Public money should not be used for the actual powerplants, etc.

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 23:23 | 4896568 Bemused Observer
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I don't know, they seem to have met with some successes with solar...some people are actually able to feed extra power into the grid...when is the last time you were able to return any oil or gas to the utilities?

NO new thing comes to you fully-formed and functional. Or profitable. THAT'S why traditionally, public funding has enabled these new things to get to the point where private industries would be interested. Few companies would invest in something that wasn't profitable, and those first few years are critical. People can only borrow so much from Aunt Matilda to keep going, and if private interests don't step up to the plate, who will?

Government funding has been the bridge between the birth and early nurture of technologies, and their final development into independently-functioning adults.

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 01:29 | 4896771 Matt
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Those home solar systems may not generate as much energy as was used in making them. The first large study came out of Spain, showing that for industrial scale semiconductor solar power, the total Energy Return on Energy Invested was 2.45:1, assuming the panels last the full 25 years. That's in Spain, in one of the most optimal locations for solar power in the world. With solar panels that follow the sun, with far better cooling. 

I believe it would have been better for government to fund research into solar panels, with field tests, to continue improving the panels, rather than subsidizing the production of panels that may just be a huge waste of resources.

Same with nuclear power, they should have built one plant, ran it to end of life, decomissioned it and got all the waste into permanent storage, before building vast numbers of them.

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 23:31 | 4896567 Manipuflation
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"Why is it that when you say "Renewable Energy" to the hard right, they all get a look on their face like you just handed them a jar of warm sputum or something?"

It is no secret that I am conservative and you bring a fair point here that should be addressed.  I must pose a few questions.  Renewable energy is what exactly?  How exactly is the energy going to be renewable?  I do not see how any energy can be renewable without cost inputs.  That is really the issue here.  You can not get something for nothing in this planet and expect it to be "sustainable".  Yes, a hypothesis can work for a period of time and do so successfully but eventually, if you really think it through, what eventually happens?  It fails, because it is a short term, politcally motivated activity and fails to address the real problem.  If it were in that case, which country should we place the most blame upon?

 

Now when I say this, I am talking about a hypothesis and not a theory.  A hypothesis and a theory are potentially mutually exclusive.  I will be perfectly frank here, we really do not know if global warming is the result of man or not.  I would agree that there is a chance that it could be true that humans are actually influencing the climate, but if we are, should it be a political issue?

In my previous attempted post, I tried to demonstrate that I am not comforable with those sources who are providing so-called information and/or facts.  I question everything and I do believe that to do so is fair and reasonable.  In this case, I question the sources of said information and the motives involved.  I mean no disrespect to you personally.

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 23:51 | 4896641 Bemused Observer
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As a conservative this is something you should be interested in. Considering the significant role energy costs play in our economy, developing alternates to an increasingly expensive source is the kind of fiscal responsibility I would expect.

I don't really CARE about whether man's actions are affecting the weather, if they are, it will be in small local short-term ways. If you want a global weather-changer that would be long term, just wait and see if Yellowstone doesn't go off in our lifetimes. THAT would put China's horrible city-smog in perspective...We bad, but we not DAT bad.

But that doesn't mean we're not stupid and short-sighted. We aren't going to 'destroy the planet'. But we could very easily fuck it up royally for us for many years to come. That's OUR quality of life you know.

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 21:12 | 4896094 orangegeek
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such bullshit

 

socialists winding up the masses and extracting everything they can from the gullable

 

this is europe's invention and those who follow get paid well - just ask that fat pig Al Gore

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 21:18 | 4896115 Manipuflation
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Yeah, I heard the Hankster this morning on the radio and all I thought about was Neel KashkariAnother fucking bankster zero who helped cocksucker us in 2008 and now hopes to become governor in California. 

"Asked if she would vote for Kashkari, Kay Ratkovich, a Republican poll respondent from Sacramento, said, “I suppose so.”

Ratkovich, 78, worried Kashkari “leans a little more to the left.” But her choices are limited."

I really do not know how much more I can take of this sort of abuse of the senses.... 

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 21:18 | 4896117 Tachyon5321
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Anyone notice that the elite likes telling the sheep where they should stand.  

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 21:21 | 4896126 Tulpa
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I like how they just make up scientific-sounding terms.  Googling HHSI gives a bunch of links that have nothing to do with the measure they claim to be so important.  "Humid Heat Stroke Index" doesn't appear anywhere other than in the "Risky Business" story and places reporting it.

If they're talking about "heat index", that's routinely over 100 in the Midwest during the summer already.

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 00:25 | 4896696 falconflight
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We would regularly sit on the patio in 100 degree north texas summer evenings, and we ain't young.  Humidity kills, and humility toward the claimed "consensus" of taxpayer grant money brought and paid for 'scientists' will get your freedoms killed, if not you physically in the end for resisting.

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 21:21 | 4896128 Reaper
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Global Warming is just an updated religious scam from man's earlier days. Years ago the prophets predicted doom unless the suckas worshiped their god, built his temples and put his prophets in charge. Gore and the neo-prophets are using the same old scripts, but have updated the disaster predictions with a neo-science overlay. Computer models are used, which the ignorant sheeple believe validates the garbage theory. The old vengeful gods has been replaced with Gaia.

I purpose another religious view that the gods will punish man and Prometheus for stealing fire from them. Take away fire and man will be back in his correct sub-divine place scurrying to find shelter from the cold and eating his meat raw.

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 22:13 | 4896334 Emergency Ward
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All FEMA carbon-reduction camps will be renamed Gaialags.

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 23:40 | 4896615 Flakmeister
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The 'tardness is strong in this one....

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 08:30 | 4897140 Reaper
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I would send condolences on the death of your gods, but they never existed. Their prophet, Gore, dropped out of Divinity School with a D average. Don't feel bad, millions have been fooled by these same scams for centuries.

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 08:44 | 4897177 Flakmeister
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Only Hedgetards think Al Gore is relevant to a discussion about AGW...

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 10:05 | 4897507 Reaper
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You insult your AGW prophet. This prophet preaches in his film to children in government schools about AGW. A religion with beliefs that carbon dioxide levels control the earth's temperature is not subject to rational discussion, because its basic premise is exempt from question.

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 10:11 | 4897538 Flakmeister
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And the stupid dial was turned to 11....

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 12:51 | 4898321 Death and Gravity
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" A religion with beliefs that carbon dioxide levels control the earth's temperature is not subject to rational discussion, because its basic premise is exempt from question."

You evidently know nothing of the subject you talk of. The scientifict milieu throves on factual dissent as as such has a systemtic inclination for scientists to pick the assumptions and results of others apart, yet it happens that the only ones who are able to do it (or claim to be able to) are taking money from Big Oil and Big Coal.

How does it people being a useful idiot to the wealthy few who doesnt give a shit about your existence as long as you generate turnover to their businesses, all other considerations rescinded?

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 13:45 | 4898596 Reaper
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I know I lot about science, but this isn't about credentials. Where are your experiments proving carbon dioxide levels control the earth's temperature? I never worked for big coal or big oil. Since, you admit some scientists working for big oil/coal have picked apart your desired assumption, why not present your scientifically logical argument rather than your ad hominem attack on those who disproved your beliefs. Gore's useful idiot is you.

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 18:20 | 4899995 Flakmeister
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Here ya go...

An online history endorsed by the American Physical Society and hosted by the American Institute of Physics

http://www.aip.org/history/climate/index.htm

The endorsement:

http://www.aps.org/policy/statements/07_1.cfm

Now you have no excuse to play stupid...

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 19:08 | 4900155 Reaper
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The stupid is you. I looked at the Mauna Lua carbon dioxide graph and saw it was continually rising and I noted that warmers have claimed a temporary hiatus in warming for the last fifteen years. Ergo, no scientific correlation for the past fifteen years between rising carbon dioxide levels and rising temperature.

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 23:22 | 4900988 Flakmeister
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Its a little more complicated than that...

For one, the response to C02 takes time, only the C02 emitted ~30 years is fully priced in so to speak. Put another way, it takes time to heat to a pot of water....

Read it, and you may suprise yourself...

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 21:25 | 4896140 theliberalliberal
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so we are living between 100 and 120 years by then?

I call bullshit

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 21:27 | 4896143 Catullus
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And by "doing something", they mean create a tax on everything that gets sent to some international organization that buys the toys from companies that they're all invested in. It's dangerous to NOT do this!

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 21:31 | 4896162 insanelysane
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Kennedy's of Cape Cod: "The world is going to end!  The world is going to end!"

Cape Wind: "well we want to build some windmills to save the world."

Kennedy's of Cape Cod: "That will ruin our ocean views and make it more difficult to navigate our yachts."

but the world is going to end?

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 21:33 | 4896164 ThroxxOfVron
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THere are two very different looking maps in this article.

One map shows Texas and surrounding looking pretty much unaffected and everything East of Texas from Maine to Florida incinerated -and the other map shows Texas being deep-fried alive and the North-East enjoying some a mild increase in temperatures.  

Which is it?

& WHY are we supposed to believe the very same crew of filthy rich incredibly connected gumps that didn't see the financial crisis coming even weeks before it struck NOW when they are touting 100 and 200-year predictions?

WHY do these aging multi-millionaires and billionaires even give a fuck?  This particular group seem quite adept at seperating billions and billions of dollars in wealth from other people and not much else...    

...What do they really want?

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 21:49 | 4896242 dexter_morgan
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Just a thought. What TPTB want is a global population of about 500-660million. So, how to accomplish that aside from wars and pestilence? Carry out the consequences of putting government, particularly the global government they desire so desparately, in total control over the allocation of resources and personal behavior to its logical conclusions.

What plans, ideas, solutions have been put forward that would truly address a global warming scenario that doesn't involve the huge transfer of money and power from the many to the few?

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 21:35 | 4896179 Dublinmick
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This topic will normally attract a lot of high school kids who think just because Algore was an idiot there is not global warming are more precisely climate change. Yes Al and his mob do want a carbon tax which can do absolutely nothing to stop it. Man made warming is only about 1% of the problem. The entire universe is heating up and that includes the core of the earth. You may see at times ice buildup up on the poles however the ocean is becoming warmer and eating away the ice pack from down below. That is why we have rising sea levels. And yes they are rising, Norfolk Virginia is close to collapse as high tides now cover the roads, same in south Florida.

In fact many scientists conclude the nuclear testing around the world has caused further cracks in the earth mantle allowing lava to move closer to the surface on land and under the oceans which is accelerating the heating of the planet.

http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Thawing_Permafrost_The_speed_of_coastal_erosion_in_Eastern_Siberia_has_nearly_doubled_999.html

Watch out for the zombies, most of them think nothing is happening

http://jumpingjackflashhypothesis.blogspot.com/2012/02/jumping-jack-flash-hypothesis-its-gas.html

 

http://thiscantbehappening.net/node/2117

 

http://phys.org/news/2013-08-earth-mantle-contributes-greenland-ice.html

http://phys.org/tags/antarctic+ice+sheets/

http://www.wakingtimes.com/2012/04/10/solar-maximum-ramps-up-earth-cataclysms/

It came from beneath the sea!

http://www.motherjones.com/blue-marble/2012/04/antarctic-ice-melting-below-warming-ocean

 

The results are based on 4.5 million measurements made by a laser instrument mounted on NASA’s now defunct ICESat satellite between 2003 and 2008, which mapped the thickness of most floating ice shelves around Antarctica. The results:

  • Of 54 ice shelves mapped, 20 are being melted by warm ocean currents, most of those in West Antarctica.
  • In all cases the inland glaciers that flow down to the coast and feed into these thinning ice shelves have accelerated, draining more ice into the sea and contributing to sea-level rise.

Miami Going Under The Waves And Nobody Will Offer A Reason

http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/10/17/3695685/rain-or-no-rain-beachfront...

Core samples, tide gauge readings, and, most recently, satellite measurements tell us that over the past century, the Global Mean Sea Level (GMSL) has risen by 4 to 8 inches (10 to 20 centimeters). However, the annual rate of rise over the past 20 years has been 0.13 inches (3.2 millimeters) a year, roughly twice the average speed of the preceding 80 years.

http://ocean.nationalgeographic.com/ocean/critical-issues-sea-level-rise/

http://www.odu.edu//research/initiatives/ccslri#sthash.UAumoVKW.dpuf http://www.odu.edu//research/initiatives/ccslri Climate ChangeClimate ChangeVideoClimate Change Norfolk VaGlobal Sea Level,NorfolkNorfolk VaNorfolk Va Sea LevelNorfolk Virginia Climate ChangeNorfolk Virginia Sea LevelNorfolk Virginia Sea Level RiseNorfolk-VirginiaSea Level Rise,Green News

Sea level has already risen about 8 inches along Florida’s coast and is having profound effects, according to the letter. “Because Florida is so densely populated,” the letter states, “it is estimated 40 percent of the population and housing units at risk from sea level rise in the nation are here, in the state of Florida.”

http://www.ucsusa.org/news/press_release/florida-sea-level-rise-letter-0342.html

 

http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/2013-06-20/news/fl-sea-level-florida-20130620_1_sea-level-rise-sea-wall-drinking-water

 

http://www.alaskadispatch.com/article/russia-seeks-draw-lines-melting-arctic-ice

 

Mass methane release appears to be picking up speed by the day in the Arctic as well as countless other locations around the globe.

Dane Wigington
geoengineeringwatch.org

The atmospheric methane graphic below, released yesterday, should be a stark wake up call for any that understand the ramifications.

 

http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/mass-methane-release-accelerating/

 

There should be enough information here a child could understand.

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 21:49 | 4896237 shovelhead
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How do the aliens feel about this?

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 22:01 | 4896291 Dublinmick
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shovelhead, the alien bit seems to be your stock and trade lately. Did someone actually hit you in the head with a shovel?

The habit of common and continual speech is a symptom of mental deficiency....walter Bagehot

 

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 23:43 | 4896621 Flakmeister
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SH, now you know how I feel sometimes...

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 22:23 | 4896368 notadouche
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Well according to current US government think tank capabilities then the answer to mass methane release would be to assess a flatulence tax.  That should sovle the problem using current government logic.

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 21:37 | 4896187 dexter_morgan
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Well, that settles it. Based on all this federally and/or billionaire funded dataganda  arriving in the media at the same time by coincidence I am ready to turn over all of my civil liberties to this government known for providing accurate information in order to be saved from this catastrophic situation. Just look at the BLS numbers and how the IRS handles it's data - why wouldn't everyone just go all-in of this usurpation of our liberties.What could possibly go wrong.

Let's face it - if it was a problem that they COULD actually solve, they'd be ignoring it.

 

 

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 21:48 | 4896228 Dublinmick
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Exactly, they know they cannot solve it but in keeping with never let a good crisis go to waste they do propose limiting liberties. I am certainly not advocating that, I am just saying we have a problem. On the other end you have rocket scientists saying it is all Algore's brainstorm. He may have been a clever bait and switch, after all anything he is for, millions will be against and ignore.

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 21:38 | 4896190 WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot
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so I guess mexico is done for by 2050? Meh. 

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 23:27 | 4896582 Calmyourself
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Oh Noes, Australia has apparentluy had enough global warming bullshit:

http://weaselzippers.us/191194-australia-to-remove-bizarre-climate-chang...

 

And their PM is quite upset about Obama and his warming BS

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 00:15 | 4896684 falconflight
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Who cares about the Left Coast and the Bos-Wash megalopolis anyway?

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 21:42 | 4896205 logicalman
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I've really enjoyed reading the comments of such a learned bunch of climate scientists.

All that fact-based, logical discussion just made me realise THERE'S NO FUCKING HOPE!

 

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 12:01 | 4898092 Flakmeister
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The irony is that the hedgetards here are clueless to the fact that you poe'ed them...

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 21:43 | 4896210 Spungo
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While we're all talking about people dying from the heat, is anyone going to address the 800 pound gorilla - obesity? Correct me if I'm wrong, but fat is an insulator. People in ridiculously hot areas like Africa and India tend to be lanky. They have evolved that way so their bodies can emit as much heat as possible. If people are going to die from heat stroke, I would put 99% of the blame on obesity and the last 1% on global warming.

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 21:53 | 4896256 shovelhead
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oooh,

All those pools of lard sizzling in the sun.

Have you ever smelled a rendering plant?

Truly unforgettable.

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 22:18 | 4896349 Matt
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You do not need to evolve. Just spend a couple months in the tropics with no air conditioning, you'll see. Your appetite should naturally reduce, and your pores open up. Everybody has such amazing complexion, I do not recall seeing a single pimple.

Apparently, the best way to solve obesity is to eat the poop from a skinny person. Or have it implanted in your intestines. Fat people have different stomach bacteria than skinny people - or rather, they are missing 54 varieties.

C-Sections and bottle feeding babies are major causes of obesity, asthma and allergies it seems. New idea is, in case of c-section, to swab the vaginal tract and then smear it all over the baby's face, so it gets the bacteria from its mother.

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 00:12 | 4896676 falconflight
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That may be true, but I'll subscribe to the too controversial Weigh Watchers bill boards several years ago warning that fat people would be the first ones eaten by aliens.  

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 21:47 | 4896227 Oldwood
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It is truly sad that we live in this fucked up world where science and facts are completely indiscernible from bold faced lies. Liars and fucking thieves have so abused society for so long we have no means of telling fact from fiction.

I'm no scientist, but I'm not stupid. We know that those pushing the global warming agenda are profiting from it, some small others significantly huge. There are other factions who will do whatever they can to prevent any threat to their agenda. We are fucked. If we were anything greater than sheep we would act in our own self interest without being bribed or threatened. Instead we scurry about seeking our saviors and picking out the witches in the crowd such that we might burn them at the stake.

It seems our best course is to just coast on down the road, taking it as it comes while accepting we are nothing but dust in the wind. Our actions are as irrelevant as our opinions.

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 22:23 | 4896363 Matt
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1. "Liars and fucking thieves have so abused society for so long we have no means of telling fact from fiction."

2. "If we were anything greater than sheep we would act in our own self interest without being bribed or threatened."

If you cannot tell what is truth, how can you determine what is in your best interest?

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 22:44 | 4896456 Oldwood
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There has always been liars and thieves. The problem is not that people lie, but that so many want to believe their lies. Because we have accepted the lies so willing for so long, the truth has become completely unpalatable.If global warming is a real threat, it means we must make real sacrifices to prevent it. If it is a lie, it means we must do nothing. The fact that so many have tried to use climate change as a lever to advance themselves makes it far easier for us to deny its existence. We look for our leaders and scientists to be honest and pure, so we may justify putting our faith in them...but they are not...far from it. So we are left with nothing. The costs to accept climate change are huge, and there will be people getting incredibly rich from it. We have bought so many lies for so many years we have no means of telling truth from fiction other than it is assumed that truth equals pain. For those who believe in climate change and support the associated agenda, they must carry the burdenof the liars and thieves tied to their campaign. For the rest of us we will have to carry the burden of cynicism, of resisting what others call fact, and accept the responsibility for the consequences. Of course that is not likely as responsibility is dead. Maybe the believers will burn the heretics at the stake.

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 12:58 | 4898361 Death and Gravity
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"I'm no scientist, but I'm not stupid."

You cna be a scientists in a few easy steps:

1) Doubt everything

2) Learn from experience, accumulate facts of the world around you.

3) Have integrity with your learned facts and experiences.

4) Be ready to shred your assumptions if they run you into headwinds. (see 1)

Especially points 1, 3 and 4 are points that climate change denialists are weak on, because they will not do any datacollection or data examination for themselves, but instead take the endlessly regurgitated spew from the usual suspects and present it as fact (not subjecting it to any scrutiny whatsoever), and as if they are themselves a scientific capacity on par with people who worked in the relevant fields for 10,15,20 years.

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 21:49 | 4896235 Ned Zeppelin
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All about the carbon trade that hasn't gotten traction yet.

Bunch of douchebags.

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 21:50 | 4896240 Dublinmick
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Russia is not building up forces in the arctic because it is more difficult to reach, far from it, the ice is melting and they wish to be in a position to exploit the almost unlimited minerals of the area. The shipping lanes are also enlarging where passage is possible almost year round.

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 21:54 | 4896266 dexter_morgan
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Russian kids grow up playing chess and listening to classical music, American kids grow up playing shooter games, jacking off, and listening to rap.

Shocking they'd be looking to the future like that.........

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 00:02 | 4896663 falconflight
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The greatest growth in sea ice ever recorded occurred last year.  Remember the global warming research ship expedition to the arctic was marooned on the way, and then rescue ships also became ice bound?  

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 21:53 | 4896257 dexter_morgan
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Heres a simple start - don't buy any shit from China or any other smog-ridden polluted country and keep promoting their disregard for the environment.

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 21:55 | 4896271 Dublinmick
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Dexter China is destroying themselves. We keep talking about their economy but some of their smog laden cities are virtually a living hell and clean water is a premium. In fact they are buying up water from the Great Lakes even though it is now being polluted by tar sands.

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 21:53 | 4896259 Dublinmick
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Sometimes there are knowns, and sometimes there are unknowns. There are also knowns with unknown unknowns. We have to stride into the future with the climate we are going to have, not necessarily the one we want.

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 21:59 | 4896276 ThroxxOfVron
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Bloomberg is worried about Global Warming?

The same Bloomberg that regularly jumped on a jet to go from NYC to the Caymans for a weekend of golf and margaritas?

He must be worried that his favorite golf course could fall into the ocean and he'll have to ride in a plebian helicopter over to dreadful dreary old Bergen County New Jersey to get in a few holes...

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 23:59 | 4896657 falconflight
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Yes the very same Bloomberg that spends millions of his own booty to pervert the Individual's inalienable right to self defense via the 2nd Amendment.  Yet he has a armed security detail, even today in NYC, where no average citizen has any right to self defense.  This elitist fop even demanded that the Bahamian (I think this is the country) gov't waive their ban on personal firearms when he visits.  It was granted.

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 21:57 | 4896277 Ned Zeppelin
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Read a great book "The Little Ice Age" and about how miserable humans were when the weather was "normal" from medieval times to the mid 1800s.

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 23:49 | 4896634 Flakmeister
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Climate has always changed but very slowly and it has been very stable over the course of human civilization, that is about to change....

http://skepticalscience.com//pics/regemcrufull.jpg

Sat, 06/28/2014 - 10:10 | 4905216 Lanka
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The Little Ice Age was a good read.

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 22:05 | 4896292 Ocean22
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“It’s going to get a lot hotter in the United States over the next 100 years, and worse going forward,"

So that gives the psychopaths the green light to continue spraying barium and aluminum all over us day and night until the soil won't grow anything but Monsanto's POSION seeds. Then they can wipe us out en mass.

This global warming is real? Go visit suspicious observers and see what the truth is about climate change. Wake up people.

Some sick psychopaths are making money on our misery ( ie cancer epidemic ). The Matrix is REAL and your not awake!!

http://youtu.be/oqB4L-V67iM

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 22:01 | 4896295 fireant
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Al Gore was busy brainstorming

On ways to reduce global warming

"I'll intake more carbon,

because I got my lard on"

"and my tits are nicely formin"

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 22:02 | 4896299 Yen Cross
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      How about we worry about reality first... Shape shifting aliens could land on Earth next week and take all of our livers...This bunk global warming crap is for the "Tea Leaf Readers".

    Winter freeze led to 31,000 extra deaths last year - against a backdrop of soaring energy prices - Home News - UK - The Independent

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 22:14 | 4896338 Dublinmick
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They already have landed in Syria, they are eating the organs and selling them in Tel Aviv.

But I will stand down in favor of jackmeisters brilliant analysis using "Wiki"

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 22:06 | 4896309 Dublinmick
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It would be much warmer now if not for the core of the earth heating up. The unprecedented level of volcanos going off lately emit debri into the atmosphere which acts as a cooling agent. That in effect could cause a mini ice age. It is more complicated than people realize. They claim Yellowstone could throw out enough to blacken the skies over a large part of America. But there are many super volcanos which could do the same. Laach See in Germany, the Plegian Fields in Italy, Popo in Mexico, Rainier etc.

The ice age and giving the lie to Algore that so many want could be a possibility.

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 22:16 | 4896345 notadouche
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Another incredible money grab attempt.  Didn't know Hank Paulson was a scientist.  Again the biggest alarmist of "global warming" are politicians on a money grab attempt.  But how dare one be a "denier".  Soon being a "denier" will carry a "denier tax" or face jail time for daring to view with a juandiced eye.  The government is so shocked that many people do not believe their propoganda as if they have never told a lie to the american people before.  Shocking anyone dare question the "science".  If a scientist openly questions global warming they end up in a one car accident on an isolated country road.

What is most shocking is that the answer to curing global warming is a massive tax.  Yes the government solution is a massive taxing of the very people that are taxed up to their eyeballs while a few well placed politicians like Gore for example have made 10's of millions of dollars and climbing.  But yes global warming is totally real and should never be questioned or disbelieved under penalty of jailing.

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 22:21 | 4896357 Dublinmick
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Are you saying the Germans and Russians are in on it also?

AWI geographer Frank Gunther, who investigates the causes of the coastal breakdown in Eastern Siberia together with German and Russian colleagues, and who has published his findings in two scientific articles.

In these studies, he and his team evaluated high resolution air and satellite photos from 1951 to 2012 as well as measurements of the past four years. In addition, the researchers surveyed four coastal sections along the Laptev Sea (see map) and on the island of Muostakh.

http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Thawing_Permafrost_The_speed_of_coasta...

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 22:46 | 4896448 notadouche
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Well all we hear are about now is a globalist society.  Why wouldn't you think they wouldn't be.  Don't you think the G whatever summits aren't talking about this regularly.  Yes I would say they are all in on it because all governments seem to be so deeply in debt the only choice is to look for any way possibe to abscond with citizens money any way they can.

Really, are you holding the Germans and Russians up to some higher pious standard?  Don't get me wrong, I don't reject global warming but I do reject the manner in which it has turned into a giant money grab.  If those scientist don't find and support global warming do they continue to get funding. FOLLOW THE MONEY.   I'm old enough to remember how dire the second coming of the Ice Age was going to be in the early 70's.  They swore the science backed it up.  How'd that work out.

Are you saying that it is impossible for these governments and these scientist  of colluding together in order to get what they want from society?

Are you saying that science hasn't "known with certainty and scientific fact" ever been proven wrong as more and more data and time passes.   Are you saying that it is a known truth that man has control over climate and the evolution of climate?

Perhaps, just perhaps it's the arrogance of man to think he has the ability to dictate the evolution of climate.  The tectonic plates moved without the help of man.  The Ice Age did happen without the influence of man.  Is it so impossible to believe that man and more importantly more money can have zero influence over climate?  

I'm all in favor of being mindful of our actions but I don't believe for a minute if world governments extract 2 trillion dollars from it citizens climate will suddenly be "normalized".   Hell they can't even project the weather with 100% accuracy tomorrow but yet they can know what happens in 100-200 years with all certainty.  C'mon now.  Maybe my bullshit radar is just a lot more sensitive than others but I will remain a healthy skeptic.  

Finally, if the governments know with all certainty that the actions of the oil industry (for example) is causing climate change and yet they will continue to allow the offending action if a certain amount of money is paid for the privaledge then we are truly led by greedy, intellectually dishonest asshats. 

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 22:53 | 4896483 Dublinmick
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I am saying the ocean rising and threatening Florida, Norfolk Virgina and many other places. I am not seeing any explanation for that here. All I see yammering and bullshit and comments that do not address the issue and try to dodge what most people can see with their own eyes.

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 23:07 | 4896527 notadouche
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Got it.  My bad.  Maybe you are not seeing explanations because their aren't any.   Maybe all the dispersants thrown in to hide the spill is having an effect.  Yeah i know I'm just making shit up but by the same token you can't add all those chemicals to the the gulf and have zero affect yet somehow no one is explaining that either.

If you believe in the lost city of Atlantis then this wouldn't be unprecidented nor would it be attributable to man.  Mount Vesuvius wiped out an entire society without help from man.  If that happend today, what do you think the explanation would be?  I have never seen it written that the lands that exist today were ever guaranteed and plenty of shit does happen.  What is the affect of the gravitaional pull of the moon.  Isnt' it closer or in a different position than normal.  Doesn't the moon have an affect on tides an sea levals?  I'm no scientist, thats for certain but there is more than one possibility when it comes to changes in sea levels and weather and when money is tied to science, it makes that science more suspect, at least to me.

In the end we are all going to perish at somepoint and we are never guaranteed it be by old age.  Climate change can be argued about all day but it's pretty hard to fault anyone for not trusting government funded scientist given the history of government with regard to honesty.  

I suppose that's my real point.  Once a government lies, then it has no right to be offended when it is not believed.

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 00:25 | 4896693 Bazza McKenzie
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Time to lay off the Guinness Mick.  You're seeing things that ain't happening.

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 23:21 | 4896564 falconflight
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Are you saying the Germans and Russians are in on it also?

The Soviets and the Eastern Block created the idea and injected it into the West.  Damage the West's economic model...free enterprise and you even the balance of power or better.   Never-mind that the very worst stewards of their respective environs were the same governments.  Communists reconstituted themselves into the Green movement, in those nations and Western Europe and here, even if those useful idiots fail to realize their indoctrination.  That's some pretty basic contemporary political history.
Wed, 06/25/2014 - 23:54 | 4896645 notadouche
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With at least a 6000 year history measurements over a 4 year span would be considered statistically insignificant in the scientific community.

But I wouldn't get to worked up by what I say, I'm dying a slow and painful death of inoperable brain tumors.  At any given moment I can spout off incoherntly and not even remember what I said.  It can be hard to tell the difference between my moments of clarity from my moments of incoherent babbling.  I won't be around to see Florida disappear under the oily water so I'm just ranting and making a point to call bullshit when I see it.  Not from you but from the "experts".

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 02:42 | 4896859 GernB
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Who pays thier salary and will they continue to be employed if there is no problem.

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 22:16 | 4896346 Dublinmick
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I admit it, I love these climate threads :)

When you find yourself agreeing with jackmeister, yen cross etc .... you know you are wrong!

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 22:30 | 4896364 Duc888
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Milliondollaranus: I agree. What's more disturbing is that none of these people are intelligent enough to actually think about the situation clearly. 97% of scientific research in the last 2 years claims that climate change (warming) is real.........

 

Ok Anus, I'll bite. (jeez that sounds weird...)  'Splain this to my Lucy........

 

"if" you believe the Goobermints dribble...... 'splain to me how "GLOBAL WARNING aka: CLIMATE CHANGE is happening on ALL of the other planets in our solar system. 

 

(wouldn't have a phucking thing to do with that big yellow thing in the sky now....would it?)

 

Look it up there Chief.  Seriously.

 

Dayum, those cow farts and tail pipe emissions sure do travel, hugh?

 

Climate changes.....got it?  That's what climates DO.  Show me a planet in thermal stasis and I'll show you a dead planet.

 

 

(ooooohhhh nooooooossss, the sky is falling.....)

 

mebbe if we all team up and can co ordinate a group grope effort and next thursday at 2 pm we can all go home, walk into our kitchens and open up our freezers and shock the system, maybe drop temps a few degrees on a Glo-bull scale....

 

 


Wed, 06/25/2014 - 23:09 | 4896530 Dublinmick
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Here you go Jethro

http://cosmicconvergence.org/?p=118

They do have control over a manufactured debate around Global Warming caused by human activity. They can even create a carbon credit system with which to generate even more revenue to fund their various schemes to enhance the existing control matrix. Toward that end who is not aware of their carbon footprint these days, as we should be, because ultimately all of these weighty matters facing humankind do derive from our relationship with Mother Earth, as well as with our luminary Granddaddy – Sol (aka the Sun).

These many newly introduced memes* are simply the Earth’s way of getting us with the program. Now many will say it’s the controllers who foist these schemes and memes on us. And that’s true. But it’s time to look beyond TPTW and recognize that even they are utilized to deliver urgent messages from time to time. Anyone, at anytime, can be used by the Universe as a messenger, particularly when the time is ripe, as it is now.

*Global warming, carbon footprint, carbon credit, emissions trading, greenhouse effect are carefully constructed memes of the New Millennium.

What we are about to propose is that, while the Sun is irrefutably the prime mover for changes taking place here on our blue orb, it is our relationship to both our home planet and the Sun which ultimately determines solar behavior. The two – Sun and Earth – are obviously inextricably interconnected, as the human race is to both of them.

Have we lost anybody?!

Solar activity, which manifests as solar flares (aka CMEs or coronal mass ejections), sunspots, geomagnetic storms, solar winds, magnetic pole reversals, plasma blasts, electromagnetic fluxuations across the surface of the Sun, etc. can trigger any abrupt earth change or gradual planetary flux. For those who disbelieve, just navigate over to the highest integrity sites dedicated to sun-gazing or even go to NASA SOHO (Solar and Heliospheric Observatory) and you will quickly see the many obvious correlations between cataclysmic earth events and solar events. Incidentally, many of these may be time delayed; nevertheless, their root causes will be found in a solar shift or happening.

Here’s an example of a recent, extraordinary solar event that has yet to be satisfactorily identified or sufficiently explained in the mainstream media?

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 00:31 | 4896699 MillionDollarAnus
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We can't reliably study the climate on other planets for the last 100 years. Shit, we can't even reliably get to the moon. It is possible the sun has an influence on it but it really doesn't matter what the cause is, does it? If it's happening it's bad either way. And it is happening. I would wager a testicle though that the sun is too stable to be warming all the planets. 15 minutes on Google have confirmed this for me.

My logic is flawless however. Statistically speaking the odds are almost certain that people who deny climate change are simply choosing ignorance because it doesn't mesh with their world views. This is likely cognitive dissonance in action. There is no possible way in hell that hundreds of different scientific organizations all over the world are all in on some liberal or corporate agenda. Further, corporations do not want the global economy shut down to "save the human race" because it would force them into bankruptcy. This is a simple fact.

It's the same logical principle with GMO foods. The science OVERWHELMINGLY supports them being almost the exact same thing as non GMO foods. This is coming from hundreds of different studies, many of them independent. It also comes from dozens and dozens of peer reviewed studies that were executed flawlessly. Sure, Round up ready corn/soy are probably bad for you long term but it's because of the gallons of glyphosphate they are dumping on them, not because of the GMO food itself. Round up is a toxic endocrine disruptor but that doesn't mean BT corn rips holes in your stomach like fucking stupid websites from Mercola or Natural news claim. But I digress...

Warming is happening. 2 degrees will trigger too many positive feedback loops to save us from extinction. When we hit 4 we're dead. Not because we couldn't survive the temperatures, it's because our food wouldn't. Try living without food for awhile and let me know how that works out for you.

And finally, oil is becoming more scarce and it's going to drive prices continously up. Demand ain't easing. China/India will absorb any demand we let up on. America's lifestyles are unsustainable long term. Because we live in a finite world this is a fact. There is no such thing as sustainable or renewable energy. It all relies on oil, global supply chains, computers, and specialized knowledge. So between the oil problem and climate change we're fucked.

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 22:46 | 4896462 Ben Ghazi
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DAMN

 

There goes future Q1 GDP miss excuses due to severe winter weather.

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 22:52 | 4896480 notadouche
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The last month has seen very dire predictions, moreso than usual, concerning global warming and it's effects on earth.  It convenitently timed to ignore the total disaster that is foriegn policy of the US that was going to one of the things these "best and brightest" were going to repair after the devastating affects of the Bush tenure.  How's that worked out for us?  

This administration is the David Copperfield of governments.  Every single time a real political disaster unfolds an illusion of distraction manages to distract the media and the people though it appears most of the people have caught on regardless of the relentless media onslaught.  

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 08:27 | 4897129 hootowl
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The Decepticons of OZ are hard at work in this criminal regime.

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 22:58 | 4896493 malek
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I am disappointed they didn't include forecasts "By 2300" and "By 2400" too.

But seriously guys, the same models that cannot explain why the "little ice age" occurred, are now doing 190 years forecasts. Hilarious!

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 08:02 | 4897089 detached.amusement
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dude by the time 103057340238 comes around, we'll surely be fooked by then.  honest.  I have a model that lays it all out, right here.

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 23:01 | 4896505 The Most Intere...
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Fuck Bloomberg!

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 23:03 | 4896509 rum_runner
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So.. serious question guys.  Is ZH a total climate change denier camp?  Do folks here believe rocketing carbon concentrations in the atmosphere are irrelevant?  Again -- serious question.  Obviously the TPTB will try to take advantage of anything but i'm still surprised that people see no consequence at all to carbon emissions.

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 23:11 | 4896535 falconflight
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A criminal enterprise by the Al Gores of the world that warrants mass producing guillotines.  

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 23:13 | 4896537 Ocean22
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I think most would agree that there is a cost to "emissions ". But to blame the whole mess on just emissions and ignore the electric universe ( see suspicious observers) is bad science and wrong. Humans are doing damage that's clear. But there are other reasons to. Research SO. SO has amazing videos and proof.

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 23:52 | 4896642 malek
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Maybe you should for once leave the mental path TPTB have laid out for you, and start thinking about how many other things are involved in atmosphere temperatures, and for each of those how much humans are responsible for change at them.

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 00:20 | 4896689 Bazza McKenzie
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Whenever someone refers to "carbon" (the element, which is a solid at normal temperatures) and apparently is trying to refer to "carbon dioxide" (the gas at normal temperatures, consisting of one atom of carbon and two of oxygen), you know they are either a BLITHERING SCIENTIFIC IGNORAMOUS or a DISHONEST FEARMONGER -- or usually both.  That's you rummy.

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 00:54 | 4896725 Cthonic
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Some of us are in the climate so what camp.  Climate patterns are only quasi-stable; as far as worrying about atmospheric carbon dioxide levels, consider that these were 15x higher during the 60 million year long Cambrian 'explosion', and there have been three distinct ice ages since then, including the one we are currently in.

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 08:24 | 4897123 hootowl
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Remove carbon dioxide from the atmosphere and watch how fast your cupboards and refrigerator become empty of food.

Fri, 06/27/2014 - 09:09 | 4901776 Flakmeister
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And how fast the planet freezes leaving a little pool of slush at the equator....

http://chriscolose.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/lacis_etaal.jpg

from this

http://pubs.giss.nasa.gov/abs/la09300d.html

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 23:03 | 4896510 Temerity Trader
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Does it matter if they are right, partially right, or even wrong?  Should we continue gluttonous consumption to “keep the economy going”? Two giant SUVs in every f - - -ing driveway? Really? A motor home the size of a Greyhound bus parked on the side of every other house.  Multiply subdivisions of 5,000 sf ft McMansions for retired couples? This is all nuts! We don’t need more suburban sprawl and more strip malls. Or more freeways, more congestion, more immigrants who work cheap.

 

And if they are right, once we reach the tipping point, there is no going back. Want to see five dollars a gallon for gas and for water?  People are clueless. Just give them an I-Toy, a big T.V. set and a government check and they don’t give a s - - - about the environment, or anything else. Our schools are turning out idiots.  Most probably don’t what CO2 is, or the ozone layer, all they know is how to play video games.  Great!

 

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 23:05 | 4896521 jballz
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If you don't like gross excess you can find 90% of the world to avoid it entirely.

 

 

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 23:08 | 4896529 falconflight
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What business is it of yours or anyone like you in positions of trust?  None of your business if someone buys a Hummer or three.  You are a menace fo liberty, and maybe someday, we'll assist you and yours to give back to the community as cattle feed.

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 23:12 | 4896539 notadouche
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You must live in a better neighborhood than I because I see none of this in the surrounding houses.  But hey if there is a family of 5 using an SUV then I say it gets more mileage per head than a smaller car driven by 1.  Just saying....

A lot of generalization going on in your post.  Sounds like you are describing a bunch of 1 percenters and not the majority of society.  

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 08:22 | 4897121 hootowl
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It is hard to correctly perceive the world through a pot smog.

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 23:04 | 4896515 jballz
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why is this walking ballsack not in prison?

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 23:05 | 4896520 falconflight
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These people, and they are easily identified; from the Sierra Club, to their political/bureaucrats allies need to 'receive' their termination 'papers' with extreme prejudice.  Clear them from their 'positions' and a saner, less authoritarian world will result.  

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 23:12 | 4896540 Dublinmick
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Great analysis, you recommend the Palestine solution I see. Go steal an organ somewhere.

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 23:17 | 4896555 The_Prisoner
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I have pointed that out once or twice myself. Those people are deranged.

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 23:16 | 4896550 kchrisc
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Send more money to Al Gore. No wait, the criminals of government will come collect it for him.

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 23:25 | 4896578 Dublinmick
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We are going to make this thing real easy. Islands are not sinking due to global cooling. LOL

 

http://www.businessinsider.com/islands-threatened-by-climate-change-2012...

 

102, 697 people relocated off Kiribati due to ..... you guessed it, rising oceans that are covering the island.

 

The Maldives 325,00 leaving. This is not that hard Bocephus

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 23:40 | 4896614 falconflight
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Warming is far preferable to cooling which could kill many millions.  Just one growing season of abnormally cool weather could likely result in millions dying.  And there is historical precedent for such rapid cooling and direct immediate human consequences such as during the mini ice age, just a nanosecond ago in geological time during the 1700's.

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 23:43 | 4896623 falconflight
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Between 2,000,000 and 3,000,000 people in a mere two years were forced to leave their lives and homes due to man man political climate change in Syria alone. 

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 00:39 | 4896709 Obamanism
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This was due to the Islands sinking not the waters rising also alot was to do with migration to find work and being it being expensive to live on these islands,

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 23:17 | 4897237 Tachyon5321
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...

 

 

 

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 23:33 | 4896594 Dublinmick
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This wasn't Algore fooling them with blue beam trying to make it look like rising water. They actually felt it on their feet while fleeing from their homes. LOL It is called global cooling doncha know.

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 23:35 | 4896599 falconflight
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Since when does the ruling class care about future generations?  Have you heard about the creation of public and private debt to be paid for by the children of your children's children?  It's all about now and growing their power.  It's elemental.  

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 23:53 | 4896644 NoWayJose
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Clearly there has been an acceleration in global warming since the 1970's. looking at this scientifically, we can only come to one conclusion - that Earth Day in 1970 must have triggered the start of global warming, along with the rise of the EPA, the replacement of good old leaded gasoline with unleaded and ethanol fuels, the use of pollution control equipment, etc,etc. If we really want to stop global warming, lets go back to the environmental regulations that existed in 1969 - or even better, let's go back to those from 1869!

Wed, 06/25/2014 - 23:55 | 4896650 NoWayJose
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We must stop cows from farting - have a steak tomorrow night!

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 00:11 | 4896675 Dublinmick
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The Miami spring tide that floods streets which used to be secure is getting worse and worse every year whether it rains or not.Poor Moses had to grab a bug out bag.

http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2013/10/20/2806631/miami-herald-floodin...

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 00:34 | 4896703 falconflight
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Yeah, thinkprogress has no direct politicial ties to the most leftists members of the Democratic Party, eh?

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 00:41 | 4896710 Ocean22
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If you REALY want to know what "global warming" is all about, read this.

http://www.newworldwar.org/geoengineeringPDF.pdf

WARNING. You won't Ike it.

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 00:42 | 4896713 Obamanism
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Mr Paulson will tax us so we cannot afford to run our cars or heat/cool our homes there by reducing the energy use and HOPEFULLY the CO2 in the air.

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 08:17 | 4897110 hootowl
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Mr. Paulson is an evil, predatory, Tribal, sonofabitch.

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 00:55 | 4896726 damicol
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I no more give a fuck what happens in 100 years or two hundred years than I give a fuck about what happens in 100,00 yrs or 100 million years.

 

 One thing I do know is I will be dead and in a hundred million yrs life will still be on this planet evolving just as nature intended and another thing  I know for sure is that fucking humans will not be amongst the ones left.

And I do not give a flying fuck what these retarded morons come out with.

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 01:05 | 4896744 Flakmeister
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Wow, if ants could talk, they might sound like you...

I say play the long game....

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 02:25 | 4896834 dumbStruck
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Ants would care about the future of their species.

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 02:51 | 4896860 honestann
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I agree.  Play the long game...

LEAVE EARTH.

Not to escape global cooling or warming, but to escape human predators like the authors of the science-fiction story described in the above article.

Incidentally, the methodology of this study is stark raving insane, like so many other scare-tactic papers that have an agenda to push, and create scientific-sounding lies to create fear, and thus eliminate resistance to their predatory proposals.

Just one example of the above... their statistics about people roasting to death.  You know what this presumes?  It presumes that nobody will take any action, that everyone will leave their homes exactly the way they are.  It presumes nobody would put $200 worth of aluminized mylar on their roofs to reflect sunlight (or "titanium white" or other materials that diffuse 95% or more back into space).

Another (even if you believe their lies and exaggerations).  They hype how much crop land will be lost in location x... but never mention how much crop land will be gained elsewhere.  Blatant lies by simple omission.  What frauds, just like the entire AGW-promoting community.

The problem isn't they make just one mistake (starting with the very claim that temperatures will rise substantially, and coastlines will submerge... all wrong).  Just about everything they say is false or absurd.

Pure, unadulterated, intentionally false, sensational propaganda.

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 02:59 | 4896880 Dublinmick
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You can avoid reality but you cannot avoid the consequences of reality.

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 08:15 | 4897106 hootowl
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Thank you, Ayn.

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 17:49 | 4899856 trader1
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at least it's better than the terrorists are out to attack us for our freedoms...

 

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 01:09 | 4896748 falconflight
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Bottom line:  If global warming was good enough for the Dinosaurs, who is the human species to disrepect it.  Admittedly, a potential negative would be having to run away from dinosaurs wanting to eat me in one gulp.

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 01:10 | 4896749 Dublinmick
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"I know for sure is that fucking humans will not be amongst the ones left."

You are indeed correct here damicol

"With the numerous and extraordinary astrological events taking place in April, the oft-predicted destiny of HUGE Earth changes can no longer be denied. It is now a matter of when , not if. The simple physics that undergird the political, economic and social spheres of life now dictate that real planetary transformation is on the way.

http://cosmicconvergence.org/?p=13

Surely the spate of earthquakes and volcanoes has reflected the renewed will of Mother Earth to start rocking’ and rollin’. There has never been such a concentration of major earthquakes as we have already seen this year. The Ring of Fire in particular has awakened from its slumber. And there is every indication, according numerous volcanologists and seismologists around the world, that such seismic and volcanic activity will only intensify.

As the current Solar Maximum continues to unfold, such earth movements are all but guaranteed. Unfortunately, few within the scientific establishment have acknowledged the true correlations between solar activity and cataclysmic earth movements. Perhaps 2014 will remove all remaining doubt as the anticipated earth cataclysms begin in earnest. Simply put, Mother Earth will be heard, and not just paid lip service as is so often done on the annual April 22nd EARTH DAY.

Regardless of what the immediate future holds in store for the world, April 2014 is set to release a variety of astrological triggers having far-reaching ramifications and great consequences. Even an armchair astrologer can plainly see the celestial setup which will generate corresponding events everywhere across the planet, not just throughout the entire Middle East, the Ukraine, Venezuela, Brazil, Argentina, Thailand, Myanmar, the Central African Republic, Sudan, Libya, Chad, etc., which we see on the evening news.

Of course, the Global Economic and Financial Control Matrix is especially vulnerable to the predicted calamities throughout that and other interconnected realms. This is where the raw financial and economics physics graphically illustrate fast approaching breaking points. The blatant suppression of the price of gold is a stark example of where the market controllers can no longer maintain the false illusion of order. All the forces of the marketplace — both real and artificially fabricated — are now working at cross purposes with such intensity that “the man behind the curtain” will be exposed once and for all."

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 01:57 | 4896800 BringOnTheAsteroid
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http://enenews.com/emergency-surveys-in-japan-after-birds-found-with-per...

Read it and weep people, literally weep. We'll be lucky to live long enough to feel any supposed affects of global warming. Species have adapted to their environments over billions of years. They are a truly well tuned machine, whether they be plant or animal. Any dramatic changes to their genes will render them unviable considering mutations are normally harmful rather than beneficial.

Arguing about global warming now is as close you'll ever to get to arguing about the position of the deck chairs on the titanic. I've been reading enenews now for about 2 years and articles like the one above are coming faster and faster.

We are, unfortunately, fucked.

 

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 02:54 | 4896869 Dublinmick
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I have also read enenews for many years. It is truly a horror story.

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 03:00 | 4896882 BringOnTheAsteroid
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Did you see the feed a couple of weeks back of a huge orange glow flaring up behind one the reactors (from where the web cam was positioned).

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 11:22 | 4897868 Dublinmick
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No I didn't see that one but I have noticed discussions concerning an assembly full of cooling rods they are afraid might keel over.

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 02:18 | 4896827 adonisdemilo
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With a bit of luck those 3 will be dead and gone by 2030 and won't be able to fuck up anything else.

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 08:11 | 4897096 hootowl
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.......But they will like-minded lizard spawn behind to vex humanity.

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 02:33 | 4896845 Beltway1776
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Sorry - 2x post

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 02:33 | 4896846 Beltway1776
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The pig Al Gore is out buying waterfront property in SoCal while profiting off his cut of the CCX with his unbelievable hypocrisy. I wonder if he'd be worse than O-bummer.

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