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10 Facts About The SWATification Of America That Everyone Should Know

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Submitted by Michael Snyder of The American Dream blog,

The number of SWAT team raids in the United States every year is now more than 25 times higher than it was back in 1980.  As America has conducted wars overseas in recent years, our police forces have become increasingly militarized as well.  And without a doubt, many of our cities have become much more dangerous places.  Thanks to relentless illegal immigration, drug cartels are thriving and there are now at least 1.4 million gang members living in the United States.  But there are many that believe that the militarization of our police forces has gone way too far.  Almost weekly, SWAT team brutality somewhere in America makes national headlines.  You are about to read about a couple of horrific examples of this below.  Once upon a time, police in America were helpful and friendly and the public generally trusted them.  But now our police forces are being transformed into military-style units that often act like they are in the middle of Iraq or Afghanistan.  The following are 10 facts about the SWATification of America that everyone should know…

#1 In 1980, there were approximately 3,000 SWAT raids in the United States.  Now, there are more than 80,000 SWAT raids per year in this country.

#2 79 percent of the time, SWAT teams are deployed to private homes.

#3 50 percent of the victims of SWAT raids are either black or Latino.

#4 In 65 percent of SWAT deployments, “a battering ram, boot, or some sort of explosive device” is used to gain forced entry to a home.

#5 62 percent of all SWAT raids involve a search for drugs.

#6 In at least 36 percent of all SWAT raids, “no contraband of any kind” is found by the police.

#7 In cases where it is suspected that there is a weapon in the home, police only find a weapon 35 percent of the time.

#8 More than 100 American families have their homes raided by SWAT teams every single day.

#9 Only 7 percent of all SWAT deployments are for “hostage, barricade or active-shooter scenarios”.

#10 Even small towns are getting SWAT teams now.  30 years ago, only 25.6 percent of communities with populations between 25,000 and 50,000 people had a SWAT team.  Now, that number has increased to 80 percent.

And thanks to the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, police forces all over the nation are being showered with billions of dollars of military equipment that is coming home from overseas.  The following is what a recent Time Magazine article had to say about this phenomenon…

As the Iraq and Afghanistan wars have wound down, police departments have been obtaining military equipment, vehicles and uniforms that have flowed directly from the Department of Defense. According to a new report by the ACLU, the federal government has funneled $4.3 billion of military property to law enforcement agencies since the late 1990s, including $450 million worth in 2013. Five hundred law enforcement agencies have received Mine Resistant Ambush Protected (MRAP) vehicles, built to withstand bomb blasts. More than 15,000 items of military protective equipment and “battle dress uniforms,” or fatigues worn by the U.S. Army, have been transferred. The report includes details of police agencies in towns like North Little Rock, Ark., (pop: 62,000), which has 34 automatic and semi-automatic rifles, a Mamba tactical vehicle and two MARCbots, which are armed robots designed for use in Afghanistan.

But when you start arming the police like military units and your start training them like military units, eventually they start acting like military units and the results are often quite frightening.

For example, just check out what happened when a SWAT team in Florida raided the home of one young couple earlier this month

At approximately 6:16 am on June 10th, 2014, Kari Edwards and her live-in boyfriend were seized upon by a SWAT team who smashed in the door and using flashbangs and armed to the teeth, swarmed upon the couple and even stripped Ms. Edwards naked in the process.

 

The couple says that the group entailed personnel from DHS, for whom Edwards once worked. After smashing in the door, the tactical team threw in flashbang grenades, traumatizing their cat and swarmed upon Edwards’s boyfriend and Edwards who had just gotten out of the shower.

 

“They busted in like I was a terrorist or something,” Edwards said.

 

“[An officer] demanded that I drop the towel I was covering my naked body with before snatching it off me physically and throwing me to the ground.”

 

“While I lay naked, I was cuffed so tightly I could not feel my hands. For no reason, at gunpoint,” Edwards said. “[Agents] refused to cover me, no matter how many times I asked.”

That is the kind of thing that I would expect to happen in Nazi Germany, not the United States of America.

But this next example is even more horrifying.  The following is what one mother says happened to her 2-year-old son when a SWAT team raided her home…

After the SWAT team broke down the door, they threw a flashbang grenade inside. It landed in my son’s crib.

 

Flashbang grenades were created for soldiers to use during battle. When they explode, the noise is so loud and the flash is so bright that anyone close by is temporarily blinded and deafened. It’s been three weeks since the flashbang exploded next to my sleeping baby, and he’s still covered in burns.

 

There’s still a hole in his chest that exposes his ribs. At least that’s what I’ve been told; I’m afraid to look.

 

My husband’s nephew, the one they were looking for, wasn’t there. He doesn’t even live in that house. After breaking down the door, throwing my husband to the ground, and screaming at my children, the officers – armed with M16s – filed through the house like they were playing war. They searched for drugs and never found any.

 

I heard my baby wailing and asked one of the officers to let me hold him. He screamed at me to sit down and shut up and blocked my view, so I couldn’t see my son. I could see a singed crib. And I could see a pool of blood. The officers yelled at me to calm down and told me my son was fine, that he’d just lost a tooth.

Does that make you angry?

It should.

That young child is probably going to be disfigured for the rest of his life because of the brutality and the carelessness of that SWAT team.

Yes, we live in perilous times and many of our communities would rapidly descend into anarchy if there were no police.

But that does not mean that they have to act like Nazis.  They should be able to protect us while treating us with dignity and respect at the same time.

 

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Thu, 06/26/2014 - 21:22 | 4900611 crazybob369
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We so need to legalize drugs. I can't see how society would be worse off. But, not going to happen any time soon because then this police state behavior would be much harder to justify.

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 21:25 | 4900617 Top Gear
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I say unleash the cops. They protect property values by getting rid of occupiers and vagrants.  And druggies. Ever see what happens to property values when druggies move in? The War on Drugs is the War for Higher Property Values.

"Cops must be unleashed, and allowed to administer instant punishment...unleash the cops to clear the streets of bums and vagrants. Where will they go? Who cares?" ~Murray Rothbard

Let them eat Nutraloaf.

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 21:34 | 4900656 LetThemEatRand
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You're going to get a lot of downvotes (from Rothbard followers) if you keep quoting him like that.  

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 21:38 | 4900673 A Nanny Moose
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One of Rothbard's failures, was the belief a legal monopoly on the initiation of force could ever be mastered.

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 21:48 | 4900721 SilverIsKing
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There's a very easy and tried and true method for disarming the SWAT team when they enter your home.

As soon as the front door is banged in and the flash grenade explodes, scream, "donuts and coffee in the kitchen!!!"

It works like a charm.

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 22:11 | 4900794 SmackDaddy
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ill stick with ANFO

Fri, 06/27/2014 - 03:05 | 4901277 stacking12321
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this comment is an example of the extreme stupidity constantly exhibited by one michael snyder:

"Yes, we live in perilous times and many of our communities would rapidly descend into anarchy if there were no police."

DESCEND into anarchy? people who disparage anarchy with such comments are those that feel that they themselves cannot be trusted without adult supervision.

mr. snyder, you gave some fine examples as to why the state cannot be trusted and should not be tolerated, and then you turn right around into being an apologist for the police.

a group of armed thugs running amok in society should not be tolerated nor supported.

i am happy to pay for pay for private security patrols, keep a gun, etc, but the government, which is neither by, nor of, nor for the people, should be properly viewed as the enemy.

Fri, 06/27/2014 - 05:47 | 4901370 Top Gear
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Yeah, DESCEND into anarchy.

• "Our falling into anarchy would decide forever the destinies of mankind, and seal the political heresy that man is incapable of self-government." ~Thomas Jefferson, to John Hollins, 1811

• "The voluntary support of laws, formed by persons of their own choice, distinguishes peculiarly the minds capable of self-government. The contrary spirit is anarchy, which of necessity produces despotism." ~Thomas Jefferson to Philadelphia Citizens, 1809

• "...repairs to the standard of the laws. Do this, and you need never fear anarchy or tyranny. Your government will be perpetual." ~Thomas Jefferson, Manuscript, c. 1801

Because anarchy, and most libertarianism, is just re-hashed Marxism, that is, the bullshit belief system that somehow the state can be eliminated.

• "Communism...movement to create...STATELESS social order..." ~/wiki/Communism‎
• "Karl Marx hypothesized...STATELESS, humane society..." ~/wiki/Marxism
• "Anarchism advocates STATELESS societies..." ~/wiki/Anarchism
• "...the STATELESS society both anarchists and Marxists view as their end goal..." ~wiki/Anarchism_and_Marxism
• "...anarchists and Marxists share an ultimate goal of a STATELESS society..." ~/wiki/Libertarian_Marxism
• "...share an ultimate goal of a STATELESS society..." ~/wiki/Libertarian_socialism
• "...share an ultimate goal of a STATELESS society..." ~/wiki/Libertarian_socialist

Fri, 06/27/2014 - 07:15 | 4901434 Headbanger
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So how's that hypertension working for you?

And I say "unleash the cops" on ranting Nazi nut bags like you!

Do you even realize you're the same mentality as the Islamic terrorists?

But thanks for the laughs.

Fri, 06/27/2014 - 12:24 | 4902590 zerozulu
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If something is wrong with your country, you are responsible for it. Because you asked for it and you deserve it.

Fri, 06/27/2014 - 07:14 | 4901442 Travis Bickel
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Top Gear you are the copy/paste quoting King!

 

 

Fri, 06/27/2014 - 07:25 | 4901456 BigJim
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Marx and his lay followers may have envisioned a STATELESS social order eventually arising, but Mao, Lenin, Stalin etc certainly didn't.

And given that communism requires central planning, this is hardly surprising.

So to conflate Libertarianism (a label for a continuum which extends from anarcho-capitalism at one end to small-State conservative minarchists at the other) with communism is ignorance personified.

Fri, 06/27/2014 - 07:55 | 4901500 imbtween
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But.. but HE C/PD "STATELESS" NEXT TO THE NAMES!

you mustn't have noticed.

Fri, 06/27/2014 - 10:43 | 4902175 Dave Thomas
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If there are some druggies that moved in next door, this is the perfect opportunity for some old fashioned police work. Think Starsky and Hutch, they case the house, two guys and a Grand Torino, build a case, then take the perp with Wayne Gretzky like hair down in his driveway as he's making another delivery, get a warrant, then send him up river to do a nickel at state. You know, they used to call it POLICE WORK.

 

Now two re-fitted MWRAPS drive up to the house at 5:30am, they have a drone or two and a helicopter with FLIR circling, about 12 guys decked out with all sorts of tricked out M4s, Pepper Balls, TASCAM equipment, Dogs, CS, Flashbangs, Battering Rams you name it. Now they break down your door, toss a few flashbangs in to scortch the carpet, shoot your dogs, toss an extra flashbang in the babies crib just for good measure, then kill you if you're holding a golf club.

Does anyone know how much it costs to deploy one roided out SWAT team to apprehend a small time choom pusher?

Fri, 06/27/2014 - 12:24 | 4902589 Nehweh Gahnin
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What the hell are you doing here?  Don't you have a John Birch Society meeting to attend?

Fri, 06/27/2014 - 13:45 | 4902923 Idaho potato head
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Altered or abolished, take your pick.Soon you will have no choice.

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 23:18 | 4900985 Chump
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These assholes are your neighbors.  They're in line behind you getting groceries.  They're at the next pump over getting gas.  Pretty formidable when operating as a team with all their accessories, yes.  Pretty easily reached, though, remember that.

Fri, 06/27/2014 - 07:18 | 4901446 BigJim
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Yeah, if you happen to know that the guy living next door, or pumping his gas, is a SWAT team member...

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 23:35 | 4901045 Abitdodgie
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The problem with the United States of America is that it has been taken over by the UNITED STATES. If you don't understand that sentance then you are part of the problem.

Fri, 06/27/2014 - 01:29 | 4901207 Blythes Master
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BINGO!

I am not property of, nor a slave to, the corporation.

Fri, 06/27/2014 - 05:53 | 4901375 Top Gear
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Oh boy, a CAPITAL LETTER conspiracist.

Fri, 06/27/2014 - 08:38 | 4901640 Keyser
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Typical low-information knuckle-dragger that supports Gestapo tactics... You really are an idiot, but you know that, right?  

 

Fri, 06/27/2014 - 09:56 | 4901985 CH1
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Nah, he's a troll, looking for attention.

Fri, 06/27/2014 - 08:51 | 4901692 10PastMidnight
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not only that, but the statement at the end of the article should alarm most.

"Yes, we live in perilous times and many of our communities would rapidly descend into anarchy if there were no police."

would they? or have we been conditioned to beleive that.... would we decend into anarchy without the legal gang bangers, i for one do not think so, but it works well to keep the sheeple in fear and controlled.

 

crime was minimal even in a time of lawlessness compared to today, in early amerika. reason being, people stuck together and took care of these issues as a community, we had a sheriff and a deputy and the people handled the rest without issue.

 

Fri, 06/27/2014 - 14:05 | 4903033 Idaho potato head
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Um, I'll take the anarchy over this shit any day.

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 21:39 | 4900681 Top Gear
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Yeah, like the fundamentalists who hate people quoting the Bible, they usually whine about "context," which means they've found another sweet, sweet passage that somehow completely neutralizes the ugly horrors of other passages.

Fri, 06/27/2014 - 05:00 | 4901345 Frankie Carbone
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I'm not a "fundamentalist" as you call them but the I will add that the problem with bible bashers is that they never understand the context of what they are reading (because you have to read the whole thing to understand it) so they cherry-pick a passage out of context and declare it "horrifying". 

Invariably ignorance leads one to treat the allegorical as literal, and the literal as allegorical. Ignorance is not an insult by the way. I am terribly ignorant in so many subjects, and despite my best efforts, will die someday in that state. We all will. 

FWIW. I despise organized religions for they are, at their roots, tainted and corrupted by man's own biases.

If you read the bible from cover to cover with an open mind, not trying to "be a Christian", or worse be a "insert organized faith here" you'll find it one of the most beautifully written tomes of wisdom ever written. 

Now, if I could only abide by a 1/3 of its principles I'd be the better man for it, meaning far be it from me to cast a stone your way when I struggle so hard myself to live by its principles. But seriously, treat it like a old book of wisdom, suspend judgment, forget what your fellow man tells you it says, and mull through it, all of it. 

You'd be amazed at how beautiful the story is, and how better off you and I, as men would be if we lived even a portion of the way it tells us to. 

Fri, 06/27/2014 - 14:30 | 4903131 TheRedScourge
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The bible exists for the purpose of selling a way of life, one that is impossible because of how many times it contradicts itself, due to the fact that it was written by many different authors who disagreed on many issues. Each author attempted to bring their best ideas forward, but most of them had the sensibilities of a modern-day Afghani, so most of it has little or no wisdom to offer anyone born in a first world nation today. Case in point: old testament saying you cannot wear clothing of mixed fabric, or eat any pork products.

Fri, 06/27/2014 - 11:35 | 4902397 Peanut Butter E...
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Top Gear your making a Top Joker out of yourself here with your incoherent ranting, I think you need to get some med to calm your wonton brain.

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 21:37 | 4900664 potato
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When I see cops prowling in my neighborhood, I call the county sheriff.

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 21:40 | 4900682 A Nanny Moose
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Good idea. Can you call 911? Flood the system till it breaks. Make it work against itself.

After all...how can you be sure the cops are the legit cops?

Fri, 06/27/2014 - 09:15 | 4901805 swmnguy
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The actual Cloward-Piven strategy, as opposed to the fairy tales the Glenn Beck crowd likes to repeat.

Fri, 06/27/2014 - 00:38 | 4901159 European American
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"When I see cops prowling in my neighborhood, I call the county sheriff."

Fortunately I don't live in a neighborhood like yours, yet.

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 21:38 | 4900675 Miffed Microbio...
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I am giving you the benefit of doubt and assuming this is sarcasm. It has been a long time since I have heard MSM drivel and I have forgotten its stench. You may have your police state if you wish but I want the freedoms this country was founded on back. Please troll elsewhere where your ideology is welcome.

Miffed;-)

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 21:56 | 4900749 Top Gear
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I quote Rothbard. I promote policies that maintain Private Property Values. And that's considered sarcasm or "trolling" at ZH. What is the world coming to?

<< this country was founded on >>

This country was founded on Statists like me. Fact is, I'm a most precious statist.

"The small landholders are the most precious part of a state." ~Thomas Jefferson, to James Madison, 1785

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 22:17 | 4900807 hobopants
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Stop rambling, this is about the militarization of the police, not Thomas Jefferson's thoughts on land ownership. Pay attention. 

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 22:18 | 4900815 Miffed Microbio...
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Perhaps you are unfamiliar with the definition of Statism.

Statism is concentration of economic controls and planning in the hands of a highly centralized government often extending to government ownership of industry.

Partly as a result of this distaste for one branch of government's control over another, Jefferson supported a more equitable division of power between the legislative, executive and judicial branches of government in his book, Notes on the State of Virginia:

"All the powers of government, legislative, executive, and judiciary, result to the legislative body [in Virginia]. The concentrating these in the same hands is precisely the definition of despotic government. . . . An elective despotism was not the government we fought for; but one which should not only be founded on free principles, but in which the powers of government should be so divided and balanced among several bodies of magistracy, as that no one could transcend their legal limits, without being effectually checked and restrained by the others."

Jefferson was not a Statist.

Miffed;-)

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 22:26 | 4900834 Top Gear
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Libertarian howlers don't use that definition, they simply call anybody who supports government, even small government, a statist. Hell, some reguarly call Ayn Rand a statist.

Jefferson supported government. He did not support the anarchism popular around ZH.

• "Our falling into anarchy would decide forever the destinies of mankind, and seal the political heresy that man is incapable of self-government." ~Thomas Jefferson, to John Hollins, 1811

• "The voluntary support of laws, formed by persons of their own choice, distinguishes peculiarly the minds capable of self-government. The contrary spirit is anarchy, which of necessity produces despotism." ~Thomas Jefferson to Philadelphia Citizens, 1809

• "...repairs to the standard of the laws. Do this, and you need never fear anarchy or tyranny. Your government will be? perpetual." ~Thomas Jefferson, Manuscript, c. 1801

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 22:44 | 4900885 Miffed Microbio...
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Self government is representative government i.e. A Republic. This is not the form of government today which is best described as a fascistic corporatocracy. Jeffersons flaw was he believed he could control government's power by checks and balances. Unfortunately he was not correct in this regard. Government is a cancerous tumor which marches to a historical known end.

We are far over due for a Constitutional Convention and this country will face anarchy of the flow of benefits ceases. No amount of police can stop this though they hope the show of force will do so.

Miffed;-)

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 22:54 | 4900913 James_Cole
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Some day americans will notice that they have been the biggest beneficiaries of this 'fascist corporatocracy.' The "takers" vs. "makers" is one of the more absurd arguments around the world. Hopefully at that point they'll start to go back to old school values (and I mean real old school values, hunter / gatherer style).

Anyway, in terms of police / drugs there is ample evidence that the US .gov (+allies) controls many aspects of the drug trade and benefits greatly from it. Picking and choosing which drugs are legal and illegal has been a colossal failure, nothing suggests any success has come from it.

- more people addicted to drugs (legal and illegal)

- most people in jail (tax $$$)

- more people killed

etc.

Are their any metrics which paint the 'war on drugs' in a positive light?? I'd be curious to see them.

Fri, 06/27/2014 - 06:09 | 4901392 sleigher
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Was it checks and balances that failed or those who were put in the position to run those checks and keep things balanced?

Fri, 06/27/2014 - 05:19 | 4901356 Frankie Carbone
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Top Gear. 

Slapping a label on someone, or branding them, is old-school, Matrix-driven thinking. I don't affiliate with any -ism, or -ocracy, -ists, or -crats. Some here do, but most do not.  

I think for myself. 

What you're doing here, and it is so painfully obvious to everyone here but you, is coming in here with a bag full of square and round pegs, and trying to pound them into any hole (idea) that you find, even if they don't fit. 

Because when all you know are square and round pegs, every hole looks either square or round. 

What I, and many people I know find irritating is the uncontrollable inclination for people to bucketize other people. To tag, brand, or label them. That is the the hallmark of someone deeply plugged into the matrix, and when you do that, you're going to deservedly catch a lot of crap, because people around here have zero tolerance for a simpleton. 

Nothing you've said so far is original, or hasn't been said here before, sans the same tired crap with rehashed paraphrasing. By simpleton, I mean someone of low intellect (or even potentially high intellect where most of it is completely idle, therefore effectively a simpleton) that is executing open source thought macros without completely understanding what they are saying. 

Which leads me to believe that you watch a lot of television. Well, it ain't called programming for nothing you know. Tell me. Do you also read the NYT and WaPo and take what they print as both fact, and all inclusive of relevant news? 

Try walking away from the idiot box for a week. Go to your doctor and get a week's worth of valium to help with the withdrawal symptoms, then start reading some material that is far off the beaten path of what institutional America considers "mainstream". 

You'll be shocked at what the world really looks like once you detox. 

Fri, 06/27/2014 - 07:26 | 4901457 messymerry
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Dr. Carbone, U Da' Man...  +1000

Fri, 06/27/2014 - 08:01 | 4901526 Frankie Carbone
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Why thank you. My fee for the services that I provided him will be for him to someday enlighten me to a perspective that I had never considered, and such a perspective will be logically crafted, with reason and consistency in its argumentation. 

I receive enough payments like that and I'll be a rich man indeed. 

Fri, 06/27/2014 - 10:47 | 4902200 messymerry
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It will be my pleasure to give you my two cents worth...and don't worry, they will be pre 1982 solid copper,,,  ;-D

Fri, 06/27/2014 - 16:09 | 4903618 Frankie Carbone
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THe way the dollar is going to go, they could be stamped in limestone and they'll still be worth more than their face value. But a few grams of pure copper would be nice in times like this. Thank you for the offer. 

Fri, 06/27/2014 - 08:15 | 4901563 GubbermintWorker
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Is that what he is doing? And here I thought he was just an attention whore trolling to see what his bait will bring in.

Fri, 06/27/2014 - 00:29 | 4901148 motorollin
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Okay dickbag, what happens when you wake up to a no-knock warrant on your high-value private property?

Fri, 06/27/2014 - 07:22 | 4901452 messymerry
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Ease up on the Nutraloaf TG, it's going to your head...

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 22:05 | 4900776 SmackDaddy
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ever watch those swat shows on tv?  the crackheads leaned a chair against the door and it took a dozen cops 5 minutes to breach the door.  the cops would be totally overmatched by all but the dumbest fucking criminals

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 22:41 | 4900874 Dublinmick
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Welcome aboard tolgear, you are so dumb you provide good comedy. We all need to laugh and get our minds off the grim situation we see around us.

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 23:13 | 4900966 Government need...
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What is your address?  I'll go ahead and call in the SWAT op.  I imagine you likely have a crude chemical weapon on a hair trigger, plus enough explosive to take out the McMansions up and down the D.C. suburb block.  How many 'attack dogs' do you have in your home?  I'll make sure the team puts them on the target list.  Best of luck!

Fri, 06/27/2014 - 05:55 | 4901377 Winston Churchill
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So TopGear,

How long have you known Flakmeister ?

Fri, 06/27/2014 - 13:47 | 4902921 BigJim
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 "Cops must be unleashed, and allowed to administer instant punishment...unleash the cops to clear the streets of bums and vagrants. Where will they go? Who cares?" ~Murray Rothbard

I've read and admired Rothbard, and you're obviously a troll, and, furthermore, have strategically placed ellipses, so I thought I'd do a little digging to see where (if anywhere) this quote come from. It comes from here:

http://archive.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/ir/Ch5.html

and what does Rothbard ACTUALLY say, de-ellipsed?
 

4. Take Back the Streets: Crush Criminals. And by this I mean, of course, not "white collar criminals" or "inside traders" but violent street criminals – robbers, muggers, rapists, murderers. Cops must be unleashed, and allowed to administer instant punishment, subject of course to liability when they are in error.

5. Take Back the Streets: Get Rid of the Bums. Again: unleash the cops to clear the streets of bums and vagrants. Where will they go? Who cares? Hopefully, they will disappear, that is, move from the ranks of the petted and cosseted bum class to the ranks of the productive members of society.

So, surprise, surprise, your (edited) quote is misleading. But not by much... so now I'm aware of something Rothbard wrote that I disagree with. Thank you, troll.

 

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 21:39 | 4900679 venturen
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I lived in Holland where drugs were very prevently....they now however make more drug arrests per capita than us. I was working there with a group that had 5 cars and 5 apartments. 2 of the 5 cars were stolen and every apartment was broken into in a period of two years. The crime was astounding. Beware of what you wish for. 

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 23:28 | 4901025 the0ther
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Clinics should hand out heroin. Problem solved. Plus we'd actually fix Afghanistan. They'd be true capitalist with that big poppy crop.

Fri, 06/27/2014 - 07:39 | 4901311 Ghordius
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"in Holland ... they now however make more drug arrests per capita than us" - any source to back up that claim?

yes, they do more arrests than previously, and Holland is a gateway to continental europe. Yet I understand this article is about police methods, isn't it? Do you claim a "SWATification" of the Dutch police?

Let's have a look at the results of police (and later tribunal) actions: incarceration

The prison population rate in The Netherlands is 82 per 100'000, btw, 13'000 inmates out of a pop of 16 million, among the lower band, worldwide

in comparison, the US prison pop rate is the highest of the world, with 716 per 100'000, that's 2'200'000 inmates out of a pop of 312 million

source: http://www.prisonstudies.org/sites/prisonstudies.org/files/resources/dow...

"The world population at the beginning of 2013 was about 7.1 billion (from United Nations figures); set against the world prison population of 10.2 million this produces a world prison population rate of 144 per 100,000 (155 per 100,000 if set against a world prison population of 11 million)."

Fri, 06/27/2014 - 16:43 | 4903755 SilverRhino
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Crazy

Fri, 06/27/2014 - 08:56 | 4901715 10PastMidnight
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which is worse, the criminal you can work on stopping, or the ones you pay taxes to and can do little about?

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 21:55 | 4900747 daedon
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The CIA doesn't want drugs legalized, then they would loose their monopoly.

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 23:26 | 4901013 the0ther
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How can anyone down vote?? Ignorant.

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 22:19 | 4900818 orangegeek
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wrong.

spend some time in free thinking europe and you will see what legalized drugs have done to their societies - even pot destroys the human brain over time - why would a productive society facilitate drug use to turn the masses into brain empty liabilities?

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 22:36 | 4900838 SmackDaddy
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fuck that.  weed helps me put up with all this bullshit.  and its negative impact is negligible compared to the number of minds destroyed by the TV

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 22:43 | 4900882 Dublinmick
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I sympathize with your analysis orangegeek, get off the stuff now while you can still type.

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 22:50 | 4900903 Oliver Klozoff
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Spend some fucking time in Detroit and see for yourself what the war on drugs has wrought.

Fool.

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 22:55 | 4900909 hobopants
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@orangegeek

spend some time in America and you will see what orange soda has done to their society - even grape soda can cause diabetes and obesity - why would a productive society facilitate soda use to turn the masses into fat liabilities?

See the problem with that kind of thinking yet?

Fri, 06/27/2014 - 01:08 | 4901191 PGR88
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I'm all for drug legalization, just get rid of the government methadone and treatment clinics, welfare, food stamps and disability payments too.   just like you can't have open immigration and the welfare state, you can't have open drug sales and the welfare state - otherwise you are just subsidizing drug dealers.

Fri, 06/27/2014 - 02:54 | 4901270 BringOnTheAsteroid
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Because if people want to fuck up their brains with dope it is their god damned right to. You legalize pot or criminalize alcohol. Which is it?

Fri, 06/27/2014 - 02:59 | 4901272 BringOnTheAsteroid
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I have the answer to the worlds drug problems.

1. Legalise it.

2. Make it available for free but only accessible through hospitals set up specifically for the purpose.

3. All drugs administered under clinical conditions.

4. No one can leave the premises until the effects of the drug have worn off.

5. Users must attend education and councelling services in order to get the drugs for free.

80% of crime eliminated.

For the other 20% of crime we need that nuke to go off in Washington DC, you know, the one Cheney is planning.

Fri, 06/27/2014 - 09:01 | 4901732 bullchit
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@ Orangegeek..."Oh wait".

FIFY

Fri, 06/27/2014 - 09:10 | 4901779 Deer Hunter
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We need control of our gov. at the local level. Why do we tolerate high taxes, toll roads and a disrespectful police community?

Fri, 06/27/2014 - 01:11 | 4901192 PGR88
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You can't legalize drugs with the welfare state, just like you can't have open borders and the welfare state -  otherwise it just turns into a giant subsidy for drug-sellers

Fri, 06/27/2014 - 17:12 | 4903862 PiratePiggy
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"#6 In at least 36 percent of all SWAT raids, “no contraband of any kind” is found by the police."

 

In the remaining 64% where it was found, what percentage of the time was the contraband in the home before the swat team arrived?  Think about it.

 

 

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 21:24 | 4900620 Sun and Moon
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To a man with a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

To a police force with a SWAT team, everyone looks like a dangerous terrorist.

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 21:49 | 4900725 SykeWar
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And if he's got a little tiny hammer... he's gotta make up for it.  That just makes things worse.

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 22:44 | 4900888 Jam
Jam's picture

To a hungry oinker everything looks like a ham sandwich.

Fri, 06/27/2014 - 03:41 | 4901292 Gold Eyed Cat
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Did anyone see the big bad SWAT team man fall into the water on American Ninja Warrior in Miami? Big dumb ape got outwitted by a large shower curtain.  Not his fault, though.  He only watched 20 people successfully do it before him.

59:45

http://www.hulu.com/watch/649909#i0,p0,d0

 

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 22:50 | 4900904 TexasAggie
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The major problem with the current police use of SWAT is that none of the cops are every punished. For the 2 yr old kid, they didn't check or monitor the home to see if the suspect even was there or lived there. They off half-cocked most of the time. They have forgotten how to do police work. The police chief tha doesn't control his forces, the jdges that don't deand thecops be brought before thm to explain their stupid acts and hold them in contemppt becase they obviously lied to set the warrant. all are culpable.

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 23:08 | 4900951 Government need...
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It will take several of these tyrants gathering up their own guts from the front yard before any consideration is given to changing the illegal home invasions.  The US citizens will eventually rise up and resist, making this sort of thing either impossible, lower priority, or both. 

“Give me an Army of West Point graduates and I'll win a battle... Give me a handful of Texas Aggies and I'll win a war.”

? George S. Patton Jr.

Fri, 06/27/2014 - 04:57 | 4901349 DirkDiggler11
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FYI, the case in GA where the 2 yr old was seriously injured by the flash-bang grenade, the magistrate that approved the "no knock" warrant has resigned. Rubber stamp SOB.

Fri, 06/27/2014 - 06:16 | 4901398 sleigher
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Too little too late, if that is what it takes to make these guys see the error in their ways.  He probably doesn't and just resigned because the kid and lawsuits.  Poor kid.  His dad should be hunting that judge.

Fri, 06/27/2014 - 16:46 | 4903765 Overfed
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I can tell ya' that if I were that kid's father, I would be finding out the names and addresses of all of the members of that SWAT team.

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 23:09 | 4900956 Government need...
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Until the SWATTIES start dying.

Fri, 06/27/2014 - 02:28 | 4901250 Kirk2NCC1701
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That's why people who exercise their Constitutional right to Privacy with extreme prejudice choose to keep their true location of residence off the books.

Easier said than done, but can be done and still be legally compliant.  "Better call Saul".

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 21:24 | 4900621 90's Child
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50% is black and Latin...

The other 50% must be white.

talk bout some racists shit there....

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 21:28 | 4900637 Top Gear
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In libertarianism, black is just another word for anti-property.

"In short; RACIALIST SCIENCE is properly not an act of aggression or a cover for oppression of one group over another, but, on the contrary, an operation in defense of private property against assaults by aggressors."

~Murray Rothbard
lewrockwell.com/rothbard/ir/­Ch75.html‎

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 21:44 | 4900704 FredFlintstone
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The Feds are paying OT.

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 22:14 | 4900802 Top Gear
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Libertarians can never face reality. They have to contrive wild lies to avoid actually considering what their dear leaders have actually written. If this was in church on Sunday, and I simply quoted what their dear leaders had written, you'd be like the Church Lady. "Could it be....Satan?"

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 22:17 | 4900813 The_Prisoner
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Johnny Bravo?

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 22:47 | 4900894 Dublinmick
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"The Feds are paying OT."

The kind of humor we have learned to expect here! :)

Being serious for a moment however, get off the whisky man and if you cannot. Just remember Wild Turkey and Four Roses are the only two left that do not use GMO corn.

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 23:38 | 4901050 Dave
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Rye makes better whisky than corn. I don't think they have GMO rye, yet.

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 23:04 | 4900940 Government need...
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Please stop the shilliness.  When you awaken tomorrow, be sure to brush off your Fedcoat.

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 22:35 | 4900854 Toxicosis
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Wow aren't you a racist piece of shit.  According to your fucked up beyond all recognition philosophy property rights trump human rights.  Either you're a shitbag government troll, or you're a shitbag alcoholic wannabe government troll.  Please run for president, you'll be a hit.  And yes the world will continue on just fine without you.  Asswipe.

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 22:42 | 4900878 Top Gear
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<<your fucked up beyond all recognition philosophy property rights trump human rights>>

You're a wanabee slave-driver.

The modern mystics of muscle who offer you the fraudulent alternative of “human rights” versus “property rights,” as if one could exist without the other, are making a last, grotesque attempt to revive the doctrine of soul versus body. Only a ghost can exist without material property; only a slave can work with no right to the product of his effort. The doctrine that “human rights” are superior to “property rights” simply means that some human beings have the right to make property out of others; since the competent have nothing to gain from the incompetent, it means the right of the incompetent to own their betters and to use them as productive cattle. Whoever regards this as human and right, has no right to the title of “human.”

~Ayn Rand (Galt’s Speech) and in her For the New Intellectual, p. 183
aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/human_rights_and_property_rights.html

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 22:53 | 4900911 Dublinmick
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Property rights went all to hell when the indians were genocided. They owned the deed to the whole place.

 

When he sat down, Chief Seattle arose with all the dignity of a senator, who carries the responsibilities of a great nation on his shoulders. Placing one hand on the, governor’s head and slowly pointing heavenward with the index finger of the other, he commenced his memorable address in solemn and impressive tones. Yonder sky that has wept tears of compassion upon my people for centuries untold, and which to us appears changeless and eternal, may change. Today is fair. Tomorrow it may be overcast with clouds. My words are like the stars that never change. Whatever Seattle says, the great chief at Washington can rely upon with as much certainty as he can upon the return of the sun or the seasons. The white chief says that Big Chief at Washington sends us greetings of friendship and goodwill. This is kind of him for we know he has little need of our friendship in return. His people are many. They are like the grass that covers vast prairies. My people are few. They resemble the scattering trees of a storm-swept plain. The great, and I presume — good, White Chief sends us word that he wishes to buy our land but is willing to allow us enough to live comfortably. This indeed appears just, even generous, for the Red Man no longer has rights that he need respect, and the offer may be wise, also, as we are no longer in need of an extensive country.

There was a time when our people covered the land as the waves of a wind-ruffled sea cover its shell-paved floor, but that time long since passed away with the greatness of tribes that are now but a mournful memory. I will not dwell on, nor mourn over, our untimely decay, nor reproach my paleface brothers with hastening it, as we too may have been somewhat to blame.

Youth is impulsive. When our young men grow angry at some real or imaginary wrong, and disfigure their faces with black paint, it denotes that their hearts are black, and that they are often cruel and relentless, and our old men and old women are unable to restrain them. Thus it has ever been. Thus it was when the white man began to push our forefathers ever westward. But let us hope that the hostilities between us may never return. We would have everything to lose and nothing to gain. Revenge by young men is considered gain, even at the cost of their own lives, but old men who stay at home in times of war, and mothers who have sons to lose, know better.

Our good father in Washington—for I presume he is now our father as well as yours, since King George has moved his boundaries further north—our great and good father, I say, sends us word that if we do as he desires he will protect us. His brave warriors will be to us a bristling wall of strength, and his wonderful ships of war will fill our harbors, so that our ancient enemies far to the northward — the Haidas and Tsimshians — will cease to frighten our women, children, and old men. The in reality he will be our father and we his children. But can that ever be? Your God is not our God! Your God loves your people and hates mine! He folds his strong protecting arms lovingly about the paleface and leads him by the hand as a father leads an infant son. But, He has forsaken His Red children, if they really are His. Our God, the Great Spirit, seems also to have forsaken us. Your God makes your people wax stronger every day. Soon they will fill all the land. Our people are ebbing away like a rapidly receding tide that will never return. The white man’s God cannot love our people or He would protect them. They seem to be orphans who can look nowhere for help. How then can we be brothers? How can your God become our God and renew our prosperity and awaken in us dreams of returning greatness? If we have a common Heavenly Father He must be partial, for He came to His paleface children. We never saw Him. He gave you laws but had no word for His red children whose teeming multitudes once filled this vast continent as stars fill the firmament. No; we are two distinct races with separate origins and separate destinies. There is little in common between us.

To us the ashes of our ancestors are sacred and their resting place is hallowed ground. You wander far from the graves of your ancestors and seemingly without regret. Your religion was written upon tablets of stone by the iron finger of your God so that you could not forget. The Red Man could never comprehend or remember it. Our religion is the traditions of our ancestors — the dreams of our old men, given them in solemn hours of the night by the Great Spirit; and the visions of our sachems, and is written in the hearts of our people.

Your dead cease to love you and the land of their nativity as soon as they pass the portals of the tomb and wander away beyond the stars. They are soon forgotten and never return. Our dead never forget this beautiful world that gave them being. They still love its verdant valleys, its murmuring rivers, its magnificent mountains, sequestered vales and verdant lined lakes and bays, and ever yearn in tender fond affection over the lonely hearted living, and often return from the happy hunting ground to visit, guide, console, and comfort them.

Day and night cannot dwell together. The Red Man has ever fled the approach of the White Man, as the morning mist flees before the morning sun. However, your proposition seems fair and I think that my people will accept it and will retire to the reservation you offer them. Then we will dwell apart in peace, for the words of the Great White Chief seem to be the words of nature speaking to my people out of dense darkness.

It matters little where we pass the remnant of our days. They will not be many. The Indian’s night promises to be dark. Not a single star of hope hovers above his horizon. Sad-voiced winds moan in the distance. Grim fate seems to be on the Red Man’s trail, and wherever he will hear the approaching footsteps of his fell destroyer and prepare stolidly to meet his doom, as does the wounded doe that hears the approaching footsteps of the hunter.

A few more moon, a few more winters, and not one of the descendants of the mighty hosts that once moved over this broad land or lived in happy homes, protected by the Great Spirit, will remain to mourn over the graves of a people once more powerful and hopeful than yours. But why should I mourn at the untimely fate of my people? Tribe follows tribe, and nation follows nation, like the waves of the sea. It is the order of nature, and regret is useless. Your time of decay may be distant, but it will surely come, for even the White Man whose God walked and talked with him as friend to friend, cannot be exempt from the common destiny. We may be brothers after all. We will see.

We will ponder your proposition and when we decide we will let you know. But should we accept it, I here and now make this condition that we will not be denied the privilege without molestation of visiting at any time the tombs of our ancestors, friends, and children. Ever part of this soil is sacred in the estimation of my people. Every hillside, every valley, every plain and grove, has been hallowed by some sad or happy event in days long vanished. Even the rocks, which seem to be dumb and dead as the swelter in the sun along the silent shore, thrill with memories of stirring events connected with the lives of my people, and the very dust upon which you now stand responds more lovingly to their footsteps than yours, because it is rich with the blood of our ancestors, and our bare feet are conscious of the sympathetic touch. Our departed braves, fond mothers, glad, happy hearted maidens, and even the little children who lived here and rejoiced here for a brief season, will love these somber solitudes and at eventide they greet shadowy returning spirits. And when the last Red Man shall have perished, and the memory of my tribe shall have become a myth among the White Men, these shores will swarm with the invisible dead of my tribe, and when your children’s children think themselves alone in the field, the store, the shop, upon the highway, or in the silence of the pathless woods, they will not be alone. In all the earth there is no place dedicated to solitude. At night when the streets of your cities and villages are silent and you think them deserted, they will throng with the returning hosts that once filled them and still love this beautiful land. The White Man will never be alone.

Let him be just and deal kindly with my people, for the dead are not altogether powerless.

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 22:59 | 4900925 Dublinmick
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Top Gear you are a power unto yourself, I see you actually changing the entire thrust and dynamics of the hedge. Carry on

Fri, 06/27/2014 - 03:01 | 4901274 BringOnTheAsteroid
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Notice he photoshopped the dick out of his avatar.

Fri, 06/27/2014 - 07:10 | 4901438 messymerry
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Yeah, Manifest fucking Destiny!!!

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 22:48 | 4900898 El Vaquero
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What's funny is that the Libertarians that he's ragging on are generally very strong supporters of private property rights.  

 

2.1 Property and Contract

Property rights are entitled to the same protection as all other human rights. The owners of property have the full right to control, use, dispose of, or in any manner enjoy, their property without interference, until and unless the exercise of their control infringes the valid rights of others. We oppose all controls on wages, prices, rents, profits, production, and interest rates. We advocate the repeal of all laws banning or restricting the advertising of prices, products, or services. We oppose all violations of the right to private property, liberty of contract, and freedom of trade. The right to trade includes the right not to trade — for any reasons whatsoever. Where property, including land, has been taken from its rightful owners by the government or private action in violation of individual rights, we favor restitution to the rightful owners.

http://www.lp.org/platform

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 23:31 | 4901032 Oliver Klozoff
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Maybe he just loves to pay property tax.

Fri, 06/27/2014 - 00:56 | 4901180 El Vaquero
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Yes, some people are like that.  But he probably also lacks the understanding that police are legally not responsible for his safety or the well being of his property when it comes to non-state actors inflicting the harm or damage.  That is his responsibility, but he's a big enough wanker to expect other people to take that responsibility for him just because.

Fri, 06/27/2014 - 01:06 | 4901189 damicol
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wow, just seeing your avatar just make me realise I had to get that album out and dust it down and feed myself some beautiful ear fodder from the past

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 21:25 | 4900624 Yes_Questions
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If you're not cop, you're little people...

 

 


Thu, 06/26/2014 - 21:46 | 4900719 SykeWar
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No choice, huh?

Fri, 06/27/2014 - 04:55 | 4901346 Lin S
Lin S's picture

No choice, pal...

Fri, 06/27/2014 - 02:37 | 4901258 WAMO556
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The blade runner!

Harry Bryant is the captain of the Rep-Detect department of the Los Angeles Police Department. "If your not cop, then your little people."

But YOU ARE:

Model: NEXUS-6 N6MAA10816

Name: Roy Batty

Fri, 06/27/2014 - 09:02 | 4901737 Uncle Remus
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."Don't be an asshole Deckard."

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 21:29 | 4900640 kridkrid
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"Yes, we live in perilous times and many of our communities would rapidly descend into anarchy if there were no police." - Bullshit.

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 21:41 | 4900688 A Nanny Moose
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Police didn't exist until the 19th c.....IIRC

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 22:08 | 4900783 Top Gear
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<< Police didn't exist until the 19th c.....IIRC >>

Did you get your history from libertarian comic books?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police#Ancient_policing

Police are essential to maintaining order in the Polis, or the City, since city society (civilization) was founded.

• POLIS = City-State
• POLITics = leadership of City
• POLICy = code of City-State
• POLICe = enforcers of City-State

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 23:21 | 4900992 the0ther
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Just read it thanks for wasting my time. There's never been anything like modern policing until recently. Maybe China but unlikely. 

Fri, 06/27/2014 - 03:02 | 4901276 BringOnTheAsteroid
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Who polices the police, mmmmmmmmmmmmm.

Fri, 06/27/2014 - 06:23 | 4901401 sleigher
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Police are policy enforcement.  Sheriffs and law enforcement.

Sat, 06/28/2014 - 09:38 | 4901735 BigJim
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<< Police didn't exist until the 19th c.....IIRC >>

Did you get your history from libertarian comic books?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police#Ancient_policing

Police are essential to maintaining order in the Polis, or the City, since city society (civilization) was founded.

• POLIS = City-State
• POLITics = leadership of City
• POLICy = code of City-State
• POLICe = enforcers of City-State

Conflate much? The ultimate root of these word is polloi, which just refers to the many - ie, the citizenry (as opposed to oligoi, 'few'.) Does this mean there have been anything like the modern police throughout history? No.

You are a very poor troll... and I think we've seen you here before. Mark McGoldprick, was it?

 

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 21:31 | 4900650 Miffed Microbio...
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Upcoming next: the Schutzstaffel and The Night of the Long Knives.

Miffed;-)

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 21:32 | 4900653 merchantratereview
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Ftp!!!

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 21:32 | 4900654 Gunga
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Unfortunately, Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn's "How We Burned in the Camps" seems more appropriate with each passing day.

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 21:35 | 4900661 Seasmoke
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I'm waiting for some booby trapped hones for the thugs to bust into in the early morning. Boom !

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 21:37 | 4900665 Schacht Mat
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Soviet Wrath And Terror

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 21:37 | 4900668 WillyGroper
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Michael Snyder has more blogs than Carter's got pills.

At least we know he can count.

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 21:41 | 4900691 TalkToLind
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At the rate things are going it won't be long before traffic cops are driving Abrams tanks and wearing ghillie suits.  Can you imagine getting a sobriety test from guy dressed like that with a sniper rifle?

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 21:43 | 4900697 pathetic looser
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a pig state , no  , a power hungry jackboot assholes state , no , ow a police state - there you go

 

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 22:00 | 4900766 daedon
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All this is in preparation for civil unrest that they expect when the $ drops to its real non-reserve currency value. Zimbabwe here we come.

Fri, 06/27/2014 - 11:21 | 4902350 Chaos_Theory
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Purely fictional, but...

If they are being militarized, than these drug raids need to be considered as live fire training events.  Add more and more hardware to the training events, synchronize more of them across multiple locations.  First in the same city, then multiple cities, then multiple states.  Eventually TPTB will feel confident in the ability to synchronize a national no-knock for the real goal...national disarmament at the barrel of a SWAT gun.  Good thing so many people have been adding their names to the list with all those background checks for purchases.  Hell, the CCW lists are their HVI lists. 

Too bad I sold all my stuff to Richard Whiggle at a gun show. 

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 22:23 | 4900825 ebworthen
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Goon squads.  Nazi Germany is where we are headed.  "Terrorists" not Jews this time. 

A sociofascist kleptoligarchy run by banks, corporations, and the M.I.C.

If you don't play along you are a terrorist.

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 22:45 | 4900891 IndianaJohn
Thu, 06/26/2014 - 22:56 | 4900920 ebworthen
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The Germans forgot their roots and allowed Hitler and his social fascists to take power.

America is doing much the same allowing the Constitution to be trampled and trading freedom for "safety".

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 22:56 | 4900918 Againstthelie
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In Nazi Germany no policeman and no soldier was allowed to hide his face.

The Nazis encouraged Germans to have weapons. Since international jewry declared war on Germany in 1933, Jews as hostile nation were not allowed to wear weapons.

Contrary to the Nazis, then and now the Marxists are taking the weapons away from the people - while on the other hand they are good enough to fight their wars for world government.

 

 

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 23:27 | 4901019 dexter_morgan
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The Nazis encouraged Germans to have weapons. Since international jewry declared war on Germany in 1933, Jews as hostile nation were not allowed to wear weapons.

Really? So the 1935 law forcing registration and eventual confiscation never happened? Wow.

Fri, 06/27/2014 - 03:47 | 4901293 ebworthen
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Nice story.

IBM helped the Nazi Party identify both Jews and gun owners.

Marxist and Nazi's are old terms, the new term is "bankster" who funds the goon squads for our "safety".

Molon Labe.

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 23:10 | 4900960 Dublinmick
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ebworthen, I am going to have to watch you after that statement :) I joke of course

Fri, 06/27/2014 - 03:48 | 4901296 ebworthen
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What?  You don't like Chevrolet and Football?  You must be a threat.

Turn on the T.V. and go to work and punch that clock or SWAT might be searching your bedroom, comrade.

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 22:29 | 4900842 Aussiekiwi
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Sort of makes it difficult to have any sympathy when you hear of a cop being shot.

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 22:39 | 4900864 IndianaJohn
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What the hell is with all of them not-sees written into the post?  

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 22:45 | 4900890 August
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#8 More than 100 American families have their homes raided by SWAT teams every single day.

And if I were in one of those families, I'd be getting pretty pissed off by now.

Fri, 06/27/2014 - 04:32 | 4901328 directaction
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Funny editing goof.  :)

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 22:49 | 4900900 Againstthelie
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It's not militarization. Soldiers do not wear masks, soldiers show their faces.

Gangsters hide their faces.

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 23:21 | 4900991 Oliver Klozoff
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.

 

Fri, 06/27/2014 - 02:47 | 4901265 jmaloy5365
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Oh,Really...what about the knight and the samurai?

 

 

Fri, 06/27/2014 - 04:26 | 4901327 StychoKiller
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There's a difference between protection and concealment.

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 22:59 | 4900917 Government need...
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These home invasions are illegal, but our corrupt 'Just-Us' system has sold out the citizens right to freedom from unlawful search and seizure.  A warrant should be served after a polite knock at the door, a brief explanation, and the presentation of the signed warrant. I've noticed from the film that the SWATsters take a LONG time moving through the yard and then busting in the door.  Some liquid flame, strategically positioned, would render the entire team ineffective.   There are ways to make your home less inviting for these actions.  Consider ways to force the assault team into the house, and then making it the last place they will ever be this side of forever.  The tyrants will not back down until they see their own blood.  It's coming.  Be ready.

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 23:03 | 4900934 Againstthelie
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These are only the footsoldiers. You don't harm any of their masters, that send them out. Losing everything for nothing is not very clever.

Such imaginations of violence may give you a feeling of relief, but they are counter productive: there can only be a political solution to the problems. Not the stupid footsoldiers are the problem, the system of debt slavery and compound interest the money masters created, is the problem.

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 23:20 | 4900975 Government need...
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Most politely, fuck off.  A little wuss like you would probably go out and tell the folks from Lexington and Concord to return to their homes, as all they could do is die and maybe take out a few 'footsoldiers'.  You will not take my hope, nor my initiative, nor my will to resist tyranny.  This Federal government is corrupt beyond repair.  Elections are jokes, the justice system is perverted, and the Constitution has more or less been suspended (if you like your due process, you might be able to keep it). 

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 23:01 | 4900931 DeusHedge
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I'm tired of all this bullshit about firefighters. Let them and the road workers do their fucking jobs. If you weren't so fat to the police officers, they wouldn't mandate totalitarianism. (Although 20 year olds can still drink, official sentiment may change in the next few years.)

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 23:05 | 4900945 IndianaJohn
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Do not call law enforcement to your place unless you want someone killed. Even if that someone is you. Because you will not be able to change your choice, after the cops arrive.

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 23:18 | 4900980 Government need...
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Very true.  But calling in SWAT to your local tyrant's door might be very productive!

Fri, 06/27/2014 - 06:55 | 4901423 NoPension
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Never,ever, call a cop. Well, maybe to write a report and clean the mess.

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 23:23 | 4900999 dexter_morgan
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No 4th amendement? Guess not. Pretty much all except the 3rd have been nullified.

Thu, 06/26/2014 - 23:23 | 4901002 Harriet Wanger
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Historically, when the fit hits the shan, the local cops are going to take the side of the community in which they live. It's the execrable secret police who will be the real enemy. DEA, FBI, name your acronym, those will be the ones pooing the screwche.

Actually, it might have been a colossal mistake to give military arms to local police.

Yes, I know, if you've ever been busted, the police will exaggerate and even lie to fuck you over. In some places (L.A., Portland) they are thinly disguised death squads.

But that's business as usual. They're not going to stand by while their relatives and neighbors get plowed under in mass graves.

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