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Obama "Deeply Disappointed" By Supreme Court Decision To Limit His Power
"Today's SCOTUS decision is encouraging for all who believe in the checks and balances enshrined in our nation's constitution," is Darrell Issa's message following the Supreme Court's unanimous (9-0) decision cutting back the power of the White House to temporarily fill senior government posts when facing partisan opposition in Congress. The White House spokesman said President Obama was "deeply disappointed" and is 'reviewing' the decision. Simply put, President Obama used the recess appointment power to make an end run around a Senate that refused to confirm controversial nominees - thanks to this unanimous SCOTUS decision, that use of the power is all but dead.
The US Supreme Court today limited a president's power to make recess appointments when the White House and the Senate are controlled by opposite parties, scaling back a presidential authority as old as the republic.
The case arose from a political dispute between President Obama and Senate Republicans, who claimed he had no authority to put three people on the National Labor Relations Board in January 2012 when the Senate was out of town.
He used a president's power, granted by the Constitution, to "fill up all vacancies that may happen during the recess of the Senate." But the Republicans said the Senate was not in recess at the time the appointments were made, because every three days a senator went into the chamber, gaveled it to order, and then immediately called a recess.
Both sides have had their comments (via Reuters),
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, a Democrat from Nevada, said the ruling “underscores the importance” of the Senate rule change last year.
“Without that reform and with today’s ruling, a small but vocal minority would have more power than ever to block qualified nominees from getting a simple up-or-down vote,” he said.
Kentucky Republican Mitch McConnell, the Senate minority leader, said: "All Americans should be grateful for the court's rebuke of the administration." Republican senators had filed court papers urging the court to rule against the administration.
SCOTUS explains...
Breyer wrote that the recess appointment power is only triggered once the Senate has been in recess for 10 days. He rejected the Obama administration's argument that the appointment power needed to be expansive to overcome political differences between branches of government that prevent nominees from being confirmed.
The recess appointments clause "is not designed to overcome serious institutional friction," he wrote. The majority was hesitant to issue a broader ruling because it would have brought into question hundreds of appointments made over the years, Breyer added.
Reading from the bench, Scalia was insistent that the court should have gone further, saying that presidents have over the years treated the need to have nominees confirmed by the Senate as an "unreasonable burden."
Scalia would have favored ruling that the president could only make recess appointments in formal recesses between Senate sessions when the vacancies in question arose during that recess.
In Thursday's ruling, the majority "sweeps away the most important limitations the Constitution places on the president's recess appointment power," Scalia said.
But we leave it to Darrell Issa to sum it up...
Today's SCOTUS decision is encouraging for all who believe in the checks and balances enshrined in our nation's constitution.
— Darrell Issa (@DarrellIssa) June 26, 2014
This unanimous decision makes it clear that President Obama acted without any legitimate authority.
— Darrell Issa (@DarrellIssa) June 26, 2014
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Suck your thumb
"nbc news" = oxymoron
Boo hoo! Go fuck Corzine you piece of shit!
I'm not terribly disappointed.
Vote Socialist Before They Run Out of Other People's Money
Yaaay Supremes!
And fuck you Barry!
The Supremes are probably terrified that one day a Ron Paul type candidate might use a similar tactic to take back the Supreme Court from the oligarchs.
It's a Cheney/Obama Imperial Presidency design flaw...
I'm surprised he got off the course to even learn of this decision. It usually takes about 4 hours to play 18, and his day starts at the crack of 10, the f'ing Nazi piece of shit.
he's easily a 40+ handicapper. I'm guessing 5-6 hours to complete a round. I mean, really, it takes a while to line up all those 4 putts, plus looking for all the balls in the woods.
....looking for all the balls in the woods.
I bet Obama finds all the balls in the woods.
Bet he could find them blindfolded.
Sorry. You set it. I had to spike it.
sic semper tyrannis
I love when libtards blame gridlock on republicans. If the government never accomplished a single thing for the next hundred years, we would be better off than if they accomplished all they wanted.
Two words for backdoor Barry.....GET BENT!
9-0??? Oh, I see.
That was just some kind of softball issue for the "supremes" so that the radical leftist faction of the court could place a vote that "looks" conservative to try and give them a little "cred", but really isn't going to mean a damn thing in the long run since the damage is already done.
And all the Mulligans. Don't forget, this President has lots of do-overs.
If only we had one.
"Yaaay Supremes!"
I suppose. But remember....this is the same court that gave us Obamacare.
But, yeah, I agree....Fuck you Barry !!
Barry heard about the decision on television news. He then asked who are these guys anyway. Do they work for me? Too bad Barry you POS. The party is over.
They suck each others' thumbs in Washington DC.
Stomps feet
Steals off to watch ESPN for the reat of day, pouting.
POUTUS
Poutus Pilate
Poutus Maximus
............aaaaawwwww, geeeeeee, thaaaaaaaaaaat's toooooo bad.... everyone shed a tear for the corrupt, incompetent, arrogant, narcissistic, illegal indonesian kenyan alien muslim sociopathic liar in chief lving its celebrity grand imperial golf life style off the backs of hard working US citiizen tax paying serfs and peasants....
weasel faced reid is a corrupt fossilized old turd that needs to have its skin sand papered off, buried in salt and then thrown into the Nevada desert.... the Nevada voters who supported the corrupt fossilized beady eyed turd should also have their skin sand papered off, buried in salt and thrown into their own desert right by him.......
And how exactly does this, er, breathtaking decision change anything substantively? As far as I can see it just gives one bunch of psychopaths slightly more power than another psychopath.
HA HA
America is... an odd country.
amrka is a run-down tax farm,
about to be herded into the
knackers yard.
but first!!
moar theatre to keep the mass
pre-occupied.
I can't help but think this case and other recent recent court decisions regarding police searches of confiscated cell phones and that the no-fly list is a violation of freedom of movement are just a couple of minor steps backward in the ongoing trampling of the constitution. Gives them a chance to say "Look little lambs! Your rights are still there! Now keep plodding into this narrowing chute."
"news" is written in cycles, loop'd back on certain memes,
but always ascending towards the(ir) goals.
this keeps up an appearance of "change" and seems to point out "team spirit effectiveness"
but really, the end game doesn't change, and "news" has always been a *dog whistle* for
the herd's short attention span.
Maybe he'll dissolve the Supreme Court next.
He's just gonna put up a SUPREME COURT-FREE ZONE sign in the oval office and do whatever he wants.
Dude... The visuals you conjured up are just plain wrong.
No, Reggie, the black robe! I want you to look like Kagan, not David Duke!
"NO STINKY JUDGES ALLOWED"
Area 51 is one of those court-free zones. In the 1990s a personal injury lawsuit was brought by some contractors over burning of hazardous waste in the area. Discovery cuold not proceed due to a Presidential Determination that such factfinding would compromise national security. The case was then dismissed due to lack of evidence.Theoretically such directives could be issed in any case where national security was an issue.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Area_51#Environmental_lawsuit
I think claiming that for a Labor appointment might be a stretch....but, in the current alternative universe....
Sure. Why not?
Hey, DO NOT FORGET that a whole slew of laws passed in the last 10 years allow BANKS TO NOT REPORT GOLD AND SILVER TRANSACTIONS OF SORTS for NATIONAL SECURITY reasons
Like uh, is that fer real? I mean, like, uh...
Already happening. Did you miss it. The President owns and controls everything. Except his golf game.
Yeah, they work for him anyway - don't they? Signed, Low Information Voter
Clearly... the Supreme Court has outlived its usefullness. Forward Comrades!
the Supreme Court is obviously full of racists
thanks to this unanimous SCOTUS decision, that use of the power is all but dead.
So you people think. Wait until he lashes out like the pyschopath he is.
obama still "at work"
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jun/26/seal-tem-sixs-kristin-be...
i can add -USA 2014 new normal... just sick..
This faggot has made my bucket list.
Remember this is the same Issa that doesn't want to find emails that aren't lost.
Glad to see this; 90% of the comments on this site are rude, crude, snarky, or useless.
What's your fucking point,asshole?
And fuck Ethan Allen too you mook!
Definitely need more useful, instructive comments like that to straighten the dimwits out.
Maybe we should shout at him.
SO WHAT?!?!?!
IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT GO BACK TO MSNBC, DICKWAD!!!!!
If we're trying to be intellectually honest here, I believe "assclown" is the correct term.
LOL
Between you and IndyPat, that's some serious twisted funny shit.
(Betcha creampie don't get it)
You have to admit the vast majority of comments on ZH are rude, crude and snarky.
But, on further analysis it seems smithmorra added the one comment that was utterly useless since we already know we're rude, crude and snarky.
Tell us something we don't know.
Rude, Crude and Snarky is the only way one can cope, manage in this bizarre world. Otherwise one would seriously lose it....
But then again, we already knew that shit, didn't we.... SMITHMORRA!
"Rude, crude and utterly useless..."
So... We're Congress AND the Senate all in one- but with shittier health and pension plans- got it.
"What's your fucking point,asshole?"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZmYKuQGbRA
twat
soooo, you wanna to fight?
Isn't it weird how we park in the driveway but drive in the parkway?
Yeah I know right? That's what makes this place so fun. Welcome to fight club..... bitch.
.... but the "rude, crude, snarky, or useless" comments are spot on accurate... having a sense of humor in this era makes it almost tolerable, almost...
Q: How many democraps does it take to change a light bulb?
A: That's not funny and you're a racist!
Any guy who has served or is serving in the military for Obama is an idiot. They don't even know what The Constitution means.
Just a friendly reminder: They serve their country and not Obama.
Just a friendly wake-up call- ask Barry who they serve.....
Serve their country how? By training Al-CIA-duh terrorists? By guarding the opium fields and subsequent heroin production in Afghanistan? By killing people all over the world in order to make the bankers and MIC cronies richer?
Freddie, I think your a jackass.
Reid hopes to just "change the rules" next year.
Could be tough to pull off as minority leader.
Indy, I was doing OK with my recovery today until you reminded me.....
Reminded you of what? That Reid is still living? Technically.
Visuals, Indy. It's the visuals. Between you and MeatHammer, I need to get my eyes washed and brain bleached.
Maybe it's just me.....
I can't help it.
I try to behave. It's almost like Turrets when I log on. Just rolls out.
I feel clean afterwards.
He's "reviewing" the decision? OK.
He's gonna mark it up with a red pen, put sad faces on it, make a cootie-catcher out of it and mail it back to the SCOTUS with a piece of poo in a plastic bag. That'll show em.
Kinda like this (1:05) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRZXEoLgD1I&feature=kp
Right, he's reviewing the decision. They put it out there on the table for discussion, you know, to get his feedback.
The more you tighten your grip, the more star systems will slip through your fingers
- Princess Leia
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wntX-a3jSY
Fuck you Obama.
I'll have a party when this fucker dies.
President Cunt
he won nobel prize. lmao. nobel is as fucked up as the fed
If I won a nobel prize I'd reject it, and cry. It's like winning a booby prize, or a razzi. talk about a bunch of sycophants. the committee is probably made up of ceo's from Time, Newsweek, MSNBC and silicon valley.
that lame duck doesn't care about anything except his horrendous golf game
he's a star actor.
his every move, every word
excites the masses following.
Star actor? Try star clone (Akhnaten)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PH4tGUjQMbg&list=TLxaSQFyzJZBwYknXswrKKgN64YRaKZzau
*meh*
all actors are interested only
in Fame and getting Paid.
and ALL of 'em recite their scripts.
why fault actors, when directors
and authors get ignored?
The USSC runs the risk of being ignored.
When you abdicate power, it is so hard to get it back.
Ask Congress.
Uh, Congress never abdicated it's power. Now, on the other hand, it shitcanned all responsibility. The other guy is always responsible. It is NEVER their fault.
what in the fucking fuck do you call the creation of the federal reserve, then?
Im old so I can speak freely while others can't.
I can't believe nobody's gotten to this guy.
Note to Secret Service: When you come.....I don't have a dog....so please don't shoot my old lady.
They're not done with him yet. He has a few assignments left.
Barry's on the leash, he may wander one way or the other but he is going where the leash takes him..
Soy viejo y feo tambien, but maybe the SS agents like their $120,000 paychecks with bennies and opportunities to bully and whore around. (don't tase my cat).
Oboma is "reviewing the decision"? WTF? There is nothing to review you fuck. It's a 9 -0 decision. SCOTUS finally did something right.
Well there is always IRS to suddenly audit the 9 USSC judges. They dont keep records after all and apparently their servers are invisible.
Well, since being Gay, Bisexual, Transgender or a Lesbian is now trendy.
That's one less skeleton in the closet they have to worry about being exposed.
sounds to me like the supremes have to go. King Obama can't have that kind of interference in his kingdom.
Wookies Rule!
Zero got "goose egged"...
He loses a cabinet appointee, but gets to keep all his other abuses of power. whoop-dee-freeking-doo.
Exactly.
3 and their rulings....
"deeply disappointed" is what you feel when you break the law... then get caught
""Today's SCOTUS decision is encouraging for all who believe in the checks and balances enshrined in our nation's constitution,"
Bullshit. How about NDAA?
Let me sum this decision up for you:
Now, the CIC cannot just appoint shills and sycophants, he has to go through congress. This means, that while it is possible that the odd sycophant won't pass congressional muster, there will be a lot more kabuki theater for the masses to watch with most appointees getting approved.
...so now he just finds another way to skirt the system. minor bump in the road, if even that.
It's obvious that he is, as many have described him, an expert on the Constitution.
I guess since everyone knows Roberts was blackmailed for his illegal adoption to rule in favor of ObamaCare, that old chestnut didn't work in this case.
The 9-0 decision is a big fucking surprise, though.
Real big.
Red team/Blue team false choice granted, it seams as though the worm has turned for some reason...
Interesting.
Nah, it's just a setup for the Constitution shredding they're about to do.
Watch the left hand...
absolutely
+1 for calling a spade a spade on the fkn JUDICIARY writing LAW
King George Obama is NOT happy!
His power as dictator has been checked, albeit marginally. Even his fellow Constitution-hating progressives on the Court voted against him!
Perhaps his next Supreme Court appointment will be a rubber stamp!
They already fucked us with the ACA, so this selective-constitutional-interpretation by the scotus is actually more of a slap in the face.
It's like the guy who just shot up a school getting a ticket for littering because he didn't pick up his brass.
It is rude to leave your brass laying around.
Sometimes, incriminating...unless it's the "scene" of a false flag.
Then it wasn't brass in the first place, but a pile of pressure cookers.
Congress unconstitutionally abdicated power in 1913.
They gave away their monetary authority to the Federal Reserve.
They created the IRS that serves the Federal Reserve, not The People.
Oh Yes, they abdicated power in 1913, and ever since to the Executive.
Congress is a shell of what the Constitution intended it to be.
Being a career politician took precedence over everything else.
Secure that seat at all costs, you fucking bastards!
Now it's just a fund raising institution for two corrupt political machines.
The USSC runs the risk of following Congress into irrelevancy.
I hope they are smart enough to realize that.
Or, maybe they plan to transition into a new NA Union court?
I hope they realize that is treason.
Surprised nobody has run for congress on term limits yet. The house should have 5 max (10 years) and the senate, two (12), and fuck the court too, they should go after 20.
That's a constitutional amendment I could support.
You have the power to vote every incumbent out of office in every election.
No I don't. Neither do you.
On Tuesday, November 4th 2014 you can vote against every incumbent on your ballot.
"The recess appointments clause "is not designed to overcome serious institutional friction,"
And that is what the issue has been. I understand the limiting of Presidential powers, and by itself this is a good thing.
The shame of it is that the problem has been "serious institutional friction", and there apparently isn't any clear Constitutional method of dealing with that. I'm not sure our Founding Fathers anticipated a scenario like the one we have now, where you have a Congress and President so at odds. They were aware of the sorts of political clashes you get occasionally, but what we have is very extreme. I think they had the notion that differences between parties would not be allowed to tear the country apart, or the parties would resolve them before allowing the country to be damaged.
So, what do we DO in a situation where the differences are so great that it becomes virtually impossible to govern?
At times like this, a parliamentary system would come in handy. When the sides cannot work out their issues, you declare no confidence and hold new elections. This tends to be a better system when you have serious ideological divisions, which I think we will have for a while.
But to have a situation of total gridlock is just untenable. It is unfair to the people, and it creates a situation where each side can hold the other side, and the country, hostage until they get their way.
And, knowing that such gridlock may result in an early election and loss of power tends to focus the minds of politicians and gives them the incentive to work things out.
Whatever you think of Obama, or Congress, this situation is just sad...pathetic. All parties involved ought to grow the hell up and start thinking of the country instead of their own political careers.
Gridlock is a beautiful thing, especially since the trend has been away from the Constitution and toward whatever -ism fits your way of thinking. That said, nothing changes until Congress comes together and starts dismantling government power over nearly every aspect of American life. Only then should you rue gridlock.
Why would Congress EVER dismantle government power? They ARE government. It isn't like Obama is government and Congress is some alter agency that'll take him down...
Obama AND Congress are our government. And they don't work, and they aren't going to do anything that will take away their own powers.
Nothing changes until the voters come together and dismantle this dysfunctional clown-show and replace them all with new folks. Obama, Reid, Boehner, Cruz...ALL of them. Flush out the whole nest.
Charlie Rangel got through his primary, for a 23rd time -- 'nuff said!
It would be nice if Mr. Obama would demonstrate his great leadership, set a great example for all other politicians, and "grow up" first.
And how would that change anything? Do you honestly think that Congress would EVER cooperate with Obama? Under ANY circumstances?
So what would even be the point in his doing that? And don't you think he realizes that?
It isn't all on one guy. It isn't all one guys doing, as if Congress was eager to work with this President in the beginning, until he went 'rogue'...They declared their opposition from day one. THEY threw down the gauntlet, fired the first shot. THEY set the tone.
Obama made plenty of his own mistakes. But let's be clear about this much...Congress has much of the responsibility for this mess and they have as much growing up to do as Obama does.
But, Obama...
Just curious here...Do you 'downvoters' understand that I am NOT an Obama fan? Do you realize that I am probably just as passionate about MY reasons for feeling that way as you are about yours, and will be just as happy to see him go as you are?
Well, you should ALSO understand that this doesn't mean that the others get a pass, or become 'the good guys'. And if those other guys WERE the ones who threw the first punch, I'm calling them out on that too. And if THAT makes you downvote me, then so be it.
So Confress "declared their opposition from day one". Hmmm. That was when the Democrats controlled both houses and Pelosi pushed through the Obamacare bill that had to be passed so we could find out what was in it.
I think you've been snoozing through a few years. That's why you're bemused.
(Sorry! Didn't mean to repeat.)
"Impossible to govern"? You mean to do nothing? The federal government can't manage to do that?
Somebody goddamned sure better, and fast:
"A former member of SEAL Team Six has become the poster girl for a Pentagon effort to include transgenders — people who have undergone sex-change operations — in the ranks.
Kristin Beck, formerly Senior Chief Petty Officer Christopher Beck, spoke recently at several high-profile events at intelligence agencies and the Pentagon to promote the integration of transgenders.
“Transgender service in the armed forces, yes it will happen soon,” she said on Twitter.
Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel, among the most politically correct Pentagon chiefs of the past several decades, fueled the effort within the Pentagon to integrate transgenders in May when he said the policy of banning transgenders should be reviewed continually. The transgender drive is the latest element of the Obama administration’s social engineering within the U.S. military. ......"...
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jun/26/seal-tem-sixs-kristin-be...
hahhahahahhhahahhhhahhahah.
so the MAN-ly armed forces
are undergoing a re-Branding?
and anyone can now volunteer
to uni-form up and KILL on behalf of
the banking classes?
whatever will become of the once sacred
heroic soldier class???
*head asplodes*
They'll be proud in heels and ass-less leather chaps, apparently.
and why the hell not, lol.
ME is the new meme.
in all the pea-cock splendid
flavours.
This foretells much wringing of hands and deep concerns upon the part of AlCiaduh and Isis.
Think of the guilt of being the one butt boned instead of butt boning the westerners.
And that despair for folks who think it's OK to butt bone small boys dressed as dancing girls and get all bent out of shape (no pun intended) when presented with that opposite Mo's words.
Man, is it fucked up, or what?
Question.
Will it not be easy to sprain an ankle trying to parachute in 6" stilettos?
Maybe.
But a Tranny Battalion crossing in a mad charge through the Ukraine might give Vlad the shits...for a few minutes, at least.
Could be a psy op to end all.
Was that the visual you were looking for, Knuks?
Put the Clorox on my tab.
The rainbow camouflage should be to die for.
Do you want your USGI strap-on in desert, woodland, or rainbow camo?
Cheetah. Definitely Cheetah....and Coach mag pouch, please.
Meh, look at WHO they're trying to capture... :>D
U.S. military men have a duty to defend decency and offend perversion.
If they do not, they become associated with perversion.
If they defend perversion, they are not worthy to wear the uniform.
.
at what point exactly in the "US military" history do you reckon this "duty" is/was abandoned?
and whose uni-form do you reckon they wear?
who benefits?
Cabin Boys get promoted to First Mates, no?
I think people with a disability should have the opportunity to be all they can be, but not in the military.
When are fags going to embrace their birth defect and stop calling it a choice.
Think of all the extra benefits you could get from the government.
"When are fags going to embrace their birth defect and stop calling it a choice."
They aren't saying it's a choice. In fact, they are saying the exact opposite, and have been for a long time. How can you have missed that?
Keep cheerin buddy.
How is a transgender person a "pervert"?
Do you guys have any idea what transgender IS from a medical standpoint? Do you know anything about how a fetus develops external genitalia? Were you aware that ALL fetuses start with the same equipment, and only begin to differentiate as they develop? Are you aware of how many things can go wrong at that stage, and that a baby can be born with unformed or malformed genitals as a result?
Were you aware that someone may have what appears to be male 'junk' on the outside, but be hormonally female on the inside, with ovaries and everything? And that their 'junk' is really a deformation of their female parts? In the past, such children were brought up as the gender they appeared to be...until puberty, when the real gender hormones start kicking in and the kid finds out he's biologically a girl?
Transgender is a birth defect, a mismatch between what the body appears to be, and what it actually IS.
Don't let the "ick" factor color your judgement.
You said it yourself.
Transgender is a birth defect.
Homosexuality is also a birth defect.
I want to keep disabled people out of the military.
Homosexuality is not a birth defect. It is not a medical condition. You can argue amongst yourselves about whether it is a psychiatric disorder, moral failing, whatever...but it has NOTHING to do with the transgendered. Most transgendered end up with the gender opposite them after correction, so they are in fact straight.
with regards "gender opposites" - I'm just going to park a few links here. . .
Hermaphrodites and the Medical Invention of Sex Sexing the Bodybook list & web site with more information
and doing some deep research into the history of the AMA can be a real eye-opener. . . here's a link to get one started.
once the phoney medical "binary" of "opposites" has enough holes poked into it, other oppositional "sides" constructed to keep humans in place also start to dis-appear in front of your very eyes. . .
How is a transgender person a "pervert"?
How is a schizophrenic person a "crazy"?
Word it how ever you want. Whatever. So they can't help it. Ok. Schizos can't either. It's a condition.
Doesn't mean as a society we embrace and enshrine a schizo lifestyle and pretend it's not just as batshit as we all know it to be.
Lookit. I'm a live and let live fella. It's really none of my beezwax what folks do on their days off. Got nuts. I thought don't ask don't tell was a reasoned solution.
Because I don't wanna know, dig?
But if you watch teevee for five minutes you'd think we were up to the fucking ceiling with gays and trannies and we gotta move the world for them.
We don't. And they aren't. < 10%
That's fringe. That's not even minority numbers. Does that mean I want a law against it or harm to come to them? No, of course not.
But don't try to pass it off as just like everyone else...normal as spring and fall. And don't pretend that there's no such thing as normal.
There is a baseline.
The Family channel is trying to re-educate people.
I don't watch the Family channel anymore.
I'm not alone.
Disney can kiss my ass!
.
sounds ghey.
and if you're still watching teevee, then what do you expect - you're plugged into their grid, and think what you're fed. . .
and THAT morphs with the programmers needs/agenda - your mind just follows their leader.
The baseline is a statistical one, not a moral one. It simply refers to where one stands on the graph, it doesn't imply those outside the baseline are abnormal.
One could use the same logic to say that very short people and very tall people are abnormal because they stand outside a baseline. But most people just think of them as different, and know there are a lot fewer of them.
Why can't people just think of gay folks as different without getting all bent out of shape over them? Seriously, do they put as much into agonizing over the sex lives of their straight friends?
Because some of the shit THEY do in their bedrooms and jerk off to would put the sex lives of most of their gay friends into perspective.