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"America Deluded Us" Slams Angry Iraq PM, Will Buy Russian Jets Instead In War Against ISIS
It was a week ago when we learned that in yet another diplomatic masterstroke, Russia's Vladimir Putin took advantage of the vacuum in relations between the US (which now wants its heretofore puppet prime minister in Iraq removed) and the Iraqi PM (who has been increasingly vocal against US allies in the region, namely Saudi Arabia, and US demands for a coalition government) and offered his "complete support" to the Iraqi leader. Yesterday the Iraqi leader has decided to take Putin up on his offer (especially since as we reported previously the Iraqi air force is currently made up of all of two "equipped" Cessna jets) and has announced he has bought used Russian jets which he will use instead of US fighter planes in his war against ISIS.
As BBC reports, citing Maliki, "Jets from Russia and Belarus will hopefully make a key difference in the fight against ISIS in Iraq." He expressed regrets over Iraq's contract with the US, saying their "jets are taking too long to arrive."
"God willing within one week this force will be effective and will destroy the terrorists' dens," he told BBC Arabic.

Mr Maliki says Iraq has ordered Sukhoi fighter jets from Russia, possibly similar to the one pictured.
In the meantime, the prime minister took another chance to poke the US in the eye, which despite sending "weaponized consultants" or whatever Obama calls troops and special CIA agents these days, has so far failed to deliver on its promised fighter jets to the civil war-torn country. Maliki criticized the process of purchasing US jets as “long-winded,” adding that the radicals could have been repelled if Iraq had proper air defense.
"I'll be frank and say that we were deluded when we signed the contract [with the US]," Maliki said. "We should have sought to buy other jet fighters like British, French and Russian to secure the air cover for our forces; if we had air cover we would have averted what had happened," he went on.
Maliki said Iraq bought second-hand jet fighters from Russia and Belarus "that should arrive in Iraq in two or three days." He was speaking to the BBC's Arabic service in his first interview for an international broadcaster since Isis - the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant - began its major offensive.
The prime minister also confirmed that Syrian forces had carried out air strikes against Islamist militants at a border crossing between Iraq and Syria. He said Iraq had not requested the strikes but that it "welcomed" them. "They carry out their strikes and we carry out ours and the final winners are our two countries," he said.
Ironically, this also means that, at least optically, the US is now alligned with Russia as well as Iran, Syria and Saudi Arabia in the "all against one" fight against ISIS which continued to consolidate its territory in Iraq and Syria.
What it really means is that Obama has asked, and is about to get $500 milllion more to arm ISIS and its al-Qaeda peers in Syria, which in turn the Iraq air force will now use Russian jets to bomb.
What is the definition of a proxy war again?
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It's very valuable to continue to isolate Hussein Obama's criminal marxist regime globally. We're already isolating them here in the states and we need to continue isolating them from abroad as well.
Order the big bombers,,,more payload.
I was at a bar yesterday watching the US World Cup game (I don't follow soccer, but it was an excuse to drink in the middle of the day with some colleagues). Place was full. A couple of guys tried to start a "USA! USA!" chant, and got only a few takers even though there was plenty of beer flowing.
If you like your soccer, you can keep your soccer.
PERIOD !
I think it was a rigged game USA 0 - 1 Germany pleeeeease, it should have been 0 - 4 at least (I Googled the results)
Sorry to bust your fantasy world, but the USA is a reasonably decent football team, ranked 13th in the world, above Holland and France. They are now in the last 16, whereas England (invented the sport), Spain (current world and European champions) and Italy (four times world champions) are out because they just weren't good enough.
You might be right, last time I was somewhat up to date on Football was 10 years ago
NSA must of given the German game plans to the American team. I hear they still have that Enigma machine up and running lol
The mistake was 'USA', it should have been 'USSA!, USSA!' then sheeple would have understood and joined in.
I haven't been paying attention for a few days.
Are we on Al Quiada's side now?
Some yes, some no. Depends.
In Syria yes.....in Iraq no.....could change on whatever we feel like doing at any given time.
In more pressing news........we still haven't changed the name of the Washington Redskins.....and Nancy Pelosi is headed to the border to lead the children to the promised (by Obama) land, presumably with a gavel in her hands.
Of course, John Boehner is doing absolutely nothing....which is pretty normal for him.
I think we can now officially change the "You're either with us, or you're with the terr'ists" quote, to "you're with us until you're against us."
We supported al-qaeda before we opposed al-qaeda before we supported al-qaeda...
Are we on Al Quiada's side now?
Yes in that our prez is asking congress to authorize $500,000,000 to arm them with high tech anti-aircraft and anti-tank missles. No in that we are (supposedly) selling fighter jets to Irag to bomb the shit out of them. Go figure.
An American oil company big wig said in the 1970's (I think) that the best situation for them in the Middle-East was to keep the countries there at each other's throats - i.e. in complete chaos. Things starting to make sense now?
Eurasia, err...I mean Al Quiada has always been our ally. We are at war with Eastasia.
Clusterfuck is not even the word that can explain this mess.
How about Fuckshow ? Probably still a bit lame.
ow snap! take that boeing/lockheed martin! maliki is dead man walking
Even better, he's going to pay with American dollars. How fucked up is that?
Remember all that shit you gave up to pay your taxes on time?
You are now a proud owner of a derivative purchase of a Russian Jet.
The return on your investment is a loss. Sad face.
No Siree Bob
Putin will accept Oil as payment and give it to China
Oil hjas value- The American Dollar - no way
Now if Turkey manned up and told Obama to fuck off and helped Syria/Iraq to wipe out those ISIS scum, that would be great.
you missed the sub-plot. Turkey supports ISIS, at least in Syria. Turkey would like its southern beaches back. It hates Assad and also Iran (the big rival) except when it is selling Iran gold to massage the Turkish balance of trade. Turkey doesn't like Kurds, who are fighting ISiS - except that there aren't any Kurds. They are really "hill Turks", all 9 million of them.
Turks are Byzantines, and it means "too clever by half", for a reason.
The real solution here is for Turkey to treat the Kurds like we treat Texans. Crazy folks but they have oil. Invite them in. Give them six Senators if they want, and let them name military bases after local heroes. Keep them far away from economic policy as they will do crazy stuff to push up energy prices.
Well for starters the Kurds are Indo Europeans who speak a language related to Persian/Iranian.
The original turks were Altai peoples (not Indoeuropean) different mountain range than the Caucus mountains. If you look at some of the first sultans, their features were asian. After much mixing with the byzantines yes the turks have now quite a bit of European blood but they still speak an Altai non IndoEuropean language.
Iraq is now three countries.....and unfortunatly there will be many more headless bodies to come
Democracy is a false religion.
The founding Father's were just kidding about that whole Republic thingy.
Of course those guys didn't understand jack about community organizing.
While democracy was a useful institution in the homogeneous ethnic, racial, and religious societies that existed before fast, mass, global, transportation, it's a death trap for civilization in an era of fast, mass, global transportation that allows the savage hordes unliminted encroachment upon civilization.
Sure, I'll bite......what would you like to see comrade?
Did you get lost on your way to HuffPo little fella?
A final solution for the primitive foreign ideology of liberalism seems like a pretty good place to start.
That usually means we have to kill millions of people.....you gonna volunteer for that?
Civilization is just a very thin veneer. Watch how fast it all breaks down when there is not enough Oil to burn, Gas to fuel our shiny boxes, lack of Psychotropic medications (SOMA) or enough food to eat.
You somehow believe yourself superior? What a fucking laugh.
Take your Huxley"Brave New World" nightmare elsewhere.
What a mouthpiece for the oligarchy!!!
Democracy run by leftists is a false religion.
It's called communism and it only works for those in power.
Certainly, in an era of fast, mass, global, transportation, democracy is an easier gateway to the primitive foreign religion of socialism than violent marxist revolution.
Why?
Because people on planes change everything...
This is brilliant.
I'm sure the Republic can't exist with baggage claim.
Well, the savage hordes are invading Europe, just as they are invading the states. In fact, in the states, we have political opportunists welcoming the savage hordes into our "democracy".
http://www.politico.com/story/2014/06/nancy-pelosi-border-detained-minor...
A member of the savage horde gets the same vote as a guy who stormed the beaches at Normandy??? That's not justice, that's archetypal injustice.
Better for me, better for you. It's better for them... [/Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home]
lol This just gets better and better doesn't it?
Russia should thank us for the 10 years of dying to give them a client state.
Puttin is already assembling a "Thank You" package for Obama (1 Bottle of best Russian Vodka and a big can of Caviar, he might add some Choom Biscuits too) signed "From Russia with Love"
We are a fucking joke. First we break Iraq's air force, then we promise to rebuild it (with our planes of course), we can't deliver and now Iraq turns to Russia. All the while we are arming Syrian "rebels' who then turn around and invade the nation we broke in the first place. I don't think we could possibly be more fucked up.
Let them have the white house for another 4 years and you will see 'F'd up' squared
I don't think we could possibly be more fucked up.
Oh.....just wait!
Whom is "them"?
If you think that Team Red will make a difference then you are a fool as the Red Team/Blue Team are just factions of the same oligarchical Party.
So it still will be Fucked Up Squared.
the Democrat / Republican thing fools very few people these days.
The USA is not going to last that long.
Now who's deluded?
That's because it's half for Zionists, Jewish supremacists and AIPAC and supposedly half in the interests of American goy getting trickled down on in general. It was always the plan to break apart Israel's neighbors.
But really, none of it is in the interests of peasants.
Hey Malaki, join the club! You are in good company with the American sheeple voter who got promised a bunch of free stuff and the Ukrainians who got meals on wheels and sleeping bags.
There fixed it...
Sure. Just buy the Russian jets and read the manual or watch the YouTube and in a couple days you can go fly them against ISIS.
That's what Russian contractors are for. Russia has their own private military for hire
freelancers
Also Iran & China have pilots who can fly those birds.
Probably these jets (I assume they are Sukhoi 25 and not Sukhoi 27 as in the figure) will come with pilot included, at least for the first months.
However, I still doubt that Russia will supply them so quickly.
If you can fly a carpet, you can fly anything.
All Russia needs to do is deliver five SU-25 Russian Frog Foots - their better version of the A-10. Send them to Syria and you will have lots of Syrian pilots ready for payback against ISIS. Stick Iraqi markings on the planes. Done.
Iraq has already asked and approved Syria to use their air force against ISIS.
Apparently all they really need is a passanger plane to fly into ISIS in the Messopotamia region to defeate the terrists and impregnate it with some dumbocracy.
So to begin with, they probably just need a few box cutters.
Too many people it appears a struggle is occurring to unseat America as the words most dominate nation. Too many proud Americans who see the world from the unenlightened and possibly undefendable position the United States has a right to be in control it is both threatening and frustrating to see control slip away.
It is threatening to think the country might quickly fall to the position of a second rate power mired in debt with many of the options we have come to see as our right suddenly ripped away. It is frustrating that in many ways the country has become its own worse enemy guilty of political inaction and squandering its power through a series of bad choices and missteps. More on this shift in power and our best response in the article below.
http://brucewilds.blogspot.com/2014/06/americas-struggle-to-stay-on-top....
bad choices and missteps... you are too kind. the ptb are riding the usa like a harley on a bad stretch of road. they don't give a damn about anything but themselves and never have.
"Might quickly fall"? Don't you have a little tense problem here?
Obviously, the USG has been dragging its heels on supplying new jets to Maliki because those he plans to bomb belong to related Islamic tribes of other USG friends elsewhere in the M/E.
What a mess.
How are we doing, lets see.
send John Kerry to sort things out who manages to convince the current government that was appointed by the US that the US wants them out and wants to carry out a coup.
Not supply the fighter aircraft ordered from the US in 2011, resulting in the current Iraq government being able to blame not having them for ISIS's success.
Putin says he can supply fighters in two or three days thereby cementing a close relationship with Iraq and making the US look completely incompetent.......again.
Winning?
Remember. See something say something. It's now quite conceivable we have a domestic terrorist in the WH. There I said it. Either that or there is something psychologically wrong with this man. Asking American representatives to vote for arming moderate Al-Qaeda? Would you have ever thought that possible after what we have been through? He obviously thinks more of them than he does the Tea Party for God's sake. How else do you explain this guy's policies both domestically and abroad? The next two years are going to be really interesting to say the least.
as soon as the media stops covering up his crimes, he will become unhinged
The media is a crime of the first order.
'Would you have ever thought that possible after what we have been through?'
I'm still trying to come to grips with Obama supporting Neo-Nazis in the Ukraine who burnt civilians to death because they spoke Russian.
"moderate Al-Qaeda" - they only cut your head off part way
Barry is such an easy target I "almost" feel sorry for the guy. The whorish media and corrupt Congress could nip anything bathhouse tried to do if they weren't all just members of the same marching band.
Food for thought
You buy Boeings and you find Americans can take it over in flight whenever they want or possibly have a system to even blow it up on the ground remotely
You buy they Fighter or cargo planes and find it can be used against you itself by non availability of parts, destruction by various means. I am positive that the drones also can be taken over and used against you. If Iran could bring down an American surveilance drone intact, imagine what would happen to a nuke equipped drone.
Americans are oblivious to everything or perhaps they have been dumbed by their media to such an extent that they cannot think.
Yup. More American spyware shit in American hardware and software. ANy airline should think twoce after the 777 "disappeared" to probably Diego Gracia.
Russia and other countries are going to clean up. No one wants Silicon Valley's shit and why buy American planes?
And Iraqi pilots are instantly qualified to fly these Russian jets? I think Russians will be flying them.
Why not - Russian Volunteer Group, AKA "Flying Carpets"
anybody with capital I got a 100% return for you:
"Much hoopla has erupted since Kurdistan sold a $106 million load of crude oil to a buyer in Israel. Here was justice at last for the long-suffering Kurds, forgotten in the 1916 Sykes-Picot agreement that divided the Middle East and seemed to give every other major nation its own home, including some nations not previously considered nations.
That is the 50,000-foot view, though, and wholly neglects the fate of the first tanker to set sail with Kurdish oil. (The Israeli sale was the second shipment.) The United Leadership left the Turkish port of Ceyhan on May 22. But a combination of US and Iraqi threats have sent it zig-zagging since without a buyer. The US says that Kurdish oil sales carried out without Baghdad’s permission will worsen Iraq’s political crisis.
After that, the Kurds got smart and sent their tankers on other routes, using diversionary methods to sell their crude. But that has done no good for the United Leadership.
First, the tanker headed to Europe with the idea of selling to Italian and perhaps German refiners. But it made a swift change of course across the Atlantic when no buyer apparently would take the chance of a lawsuit. The ship got some 200 miles (320km) on its way toward the Gulf of Mexico, but then, off the coast of Portugal, made a U-turn when a buyer apparently surfaced in Morocco—the Samir refinery in Mohammedia, according to the Iraq Oil Report (paywall).
On June 3, it reached the north African coast, where it has sat ever since, anchored at sea 31 nautical miles (57km) northwest of Rabat.
At one stage, according to a Bloomberg report, the Kurds attempted to sell the oil at the firesale price of $56 a barrel, a little more than half the going rate. The Kurds have angrily disputed the report, but the impression of desperation has sunk in. The United Leadership also at least temporarily shut off its transponder in a possible attempt to prevent tracking, but its location as of yesterday was available at MarineTraffic.com."
oil for half price someone is going to get richer.
Maliki sez
"God willing within one week this force will be effective and will destroy the terrorists' dens,"
Good luck with that! ......unless they are flown by Russians. I won't rule THAT out. How could we object?
I call BS on the statement that the Iraqi army would have stood up to ISIS if only they had an air farce.
Say goodbye to billions and billions we spent on equipping the Iraqi army, and soon, Afghanistan. Russians might be able to walk in and pick up the pieces they are interested in.
The geniuses never learn, or they have a different agenda. I vote for the latter.
Say goodbye? Maybe -but thast's why we sent ISIS al quada goons into Iraq -because it was apparent we had equipped an Iran friendly Shia government that we could not trust. Russia learned from the Lybyan fiasco -you can't just sit bacvk and trust the yanks -especially on their own borders. Putin will not back down -Obama only temporarily backed down in Syria because his handlers chose to do so. Don't assume Obama is weak -he is made to appear weak as the real Rulers call the shots , tested Putin, continue to test Putin, and will make their move at the right time. Obama is only as weak as the criminal Oligarchical Bankster rulers who pull the strings -and these maniacal criminals have no fear of starting a war and sacrificing milliuons if they believe they can win and gain more power in their plan to control an Owellian Police State -worldwide-US included.
I was walking my dog this morning and she took a crap. As city ordinances requires, I scooped it up and put it in the trash. Sometimes I overlook this ordiance. I was thinking this morning that the day will eventually come where surveillance drones will see me failing to pick up the dog poop and will issue a charge against my chip fining me for violating code -or worse, they may zap me with an electrical charge. That is the future these demons plan for us.
Had the 50,000 Iraqi troops in Mosul been provided air cover when confronted by the 800 terrorists of isil there would have been no need for them to have dropped their arms enmass and hastened to the rear in frantically aquired civilian clothing.
dumb, maybe you failed to read the art of war, the plans for this and coopting of "Iraq commanders and police" was set prior to any action..so far this advance is nothing more than taking ground already given, with exception of shia cought in the trap.
To paraphrase our 1st Lady;
“for the first time in my adult life I am so disgusted with my country because it feels like communism is finally making a comeback.”
Is any one else besides me bothered by the way Maliki has positioned himself here?
"Help me, I'm a deluded victim who has put up with this abuse since 2011."
Are you fucking kidding me?
dont forget the bombs, aks for 16yr olds, troop morale in the north, o and
.
politics bitchez
I was wondering about those second-hand Sukhoi jet fighters from Russia and Belarus "that should arrive in Iraq in two or three days." Do they come with Russian pilots? Can a pilot trained to fly F-16s fly a Sukhoi?
Wet lease and Dry lease The jets themselves are totally useless without russian pilots. it would take months to get a squadron ready for war possibly more than a year. One imagines, russia is sending its own military "specialists" with this deal...Cough cough, wet lease deal?
If Iraq has no military pilots with fast jet experience, (cessnas at the moment, two of them), it would probably take 3 years plus to get to the operational stage. This looks more like a russian detachment paid for by Iraqi oil money.....Unless Iraq is planning on using Iranian pilots?
Christ the plot thickens. let's just call it a Russo/Shiite air offensive...
PS Don't forget the huge logistics chain behind each aircraft, munitions, engineering, servicing lines. The ONLY way this is effective is if Putin sends in an entire detachment. Not even a proxy war, this is the real thing.....
Could probably dial up a few jocks from Air America....
The supreme irony of this is that the Deep State is caught in their lie. If they actively oppose Maliki's use of Russian aircraft, the illusion of the US being "against" ISIS vanishes in a puff of smoke. The US MSM will have to work overtime to keep the sheep from noticing...
BS. Russia could sell 5 SU-25 Frog Foots (A-10 type) to Syria or Iraq. Rebadge them as IRaqi planes and get Syrian pilots to fly them. Iraq already ask for and receive air help from Syria.
Go back to putting spyware in the shitty 777 so it can "disappear." US defense contractors are a joke. The F-35 is junk and the F-22 is not much better. No one wants shitty American stuff filled with spyware.
So a good Business would be to lease the mothballed figthers, bombers, etc and contact countries in trouble and make them an offer.
Do you want to take out Bullet insurance?
They done stole the gold and bugged the phones. This is BULLISH for the US dollar, correct?
Can we hire Putin as an executive 'consultant' and task him with pursuing US interests for a fee? This 'elected' official shit isn't working anymore.
Not Possible
Only the Anointed or the Chosen Ones can work pursuing interests in America,
So much for the Free Market approach...
I fully expect Maliki to bug-out of Iraq, with gold bars in tow, as soon as the ISIS boys hit town. He's probably already been on the phone with those f%ckers who ran Tunisia getting travel tips.
putin for presidnet - so what if he is russian opoumpus is kenyan
Do you think this will put a dent in US-Russian relations?
You gotta wonder about whoever decided to get Obozo for cheap, instead of paying for Hillary to win, starting to wonder if they made the right decision.
This guy could not plan his way out of a paper bag if his life depended on it.
The military industrial complex can't fucking get a thing right, not even their paid for guy in charge who is supposed to pave the way for their profits. It's almost like the left hand is fighting the right hand for control in this country, and the whole thing is plowing ahead on inertia.
"Get control, Mav, get control"...
"It's in a flat spin, and headed out to sea"...
Fucking pathetic.
The MIC can spend money like there is no tomorrow; they are exceptionally good at that. The F-35 will be a more marginal airplane than the F-111. The F-111 had two crew to hash things over and see if they could complete the mission as crap developed and two engines to get them back home.
F-111 - biggest contract ever at that time and it was awarded under a cloud of ccontroversy by LBJ just before JFK gets whacked. Lester AIPAC Crown owns Obama, John McCain, Jeff Flake and others. Some say Lyndon was also a tribe member.
I don't think Valerie was part of the original bargin.
Each jet will be equipped with a copy of Rosetta Stone Russian edition.
I think initially, they will come with Russian aircrews and Russian maintenance crewmen.
Agreed, forgot my sarcasm tag.
https://scifiinterfaces.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/prometheus-313.png
Why would the U.S. delay sending fighters to Iraq?
Iraq has the money to pay for the planes?
Something isn't KOSHER here!
The Iraqi PM is on his last legs so he needs to blame the US and try his luck with others before his own people hang him.
This is what you get when you have such putzes as proxy leaders..
I guess once he's hung we can call him a Marionette instead of a puppet. It's probably more appropriate anyway.
"Ironically, this also means that, at least optically, the US is now alligned with Russia as well as Iran, Syria and Saudi Arabia in the "all against one" fight against ISIS which continued to consolidate its territory in Iraq and Syria."
Well, we might as well have all the dictatorial regimes in one basket.
In 1543 Francis I King of France asked the Barbaresque pirate Khyar ad din Redbeard to come attack Nice, a city belonging to rival emperor Charles V, in the context of the Franco-Ottoman alliance officially signed in 1536. This siege was seen by him as strategic ploy to harass the Emperor in his Italian conquests and countered in the South the two pronged Imperial-English alliance launched in the North of France of this phase of the Italian wars.
This caused extreme angst in the christian world to see the INFIDEL help the greatest christian king-- monarch of eldest daughter of the Papal church-- in his never ending fight with his alter ego the Emperor of half of Europe and all of New World.
Pope Paul III was outraged and insisted that Francis I pay amends to the christian religion (which he did by massacring 3000 Vaudois protestants at Merindol in 1545 to appease the catholics) --we were at the very beginning of the religious wars in France --.
Now to Iraq. We have all the makings of a change of "unholy" alliance in current Iraq and the upcoming further aggravation of the internal religious divide between Sunnis and Shias in the region; which includes also the Turkish/Kurdish/iranian confrontation. It could become an eighty year war as for the Ottomans in their territories of the Low countries (1567-1648).
What the Muslims did not learn during the Renaissance and the Enlightenment, having forgotten their past heritage of the Abbasid House of Wisdom; they may have to re-learn during the 21 st century.
History rhymes and she can be a bitch with the face of a Nemesis.
Actually the "sectarian" playbook is pretty much exhausted once they go against Iran...which they are doing in Iraq...after that they have to attack the Saudis, Kurds, Turks, Israelis...maybe there was something else in the background after all.
"Caliphate" beats the Wahabbis, "Levant" is a big peace of territory, with many entities, zionist or otherwise...you have to throw around the hypothetical a bit...what if Obama's plan A had worked in Egypt...
Oups...please read Hapsburg in place of Ottomans. It was their 80 year war.
And, the current day Hapsburg are of course the Pax Americana oligarchs.
Obama is more in character of those treacherous kings of England, what was their name again, James or Charles ?
Catch-22, anyone?
Anyone wonder if the CIA is involved here? ISIS - She was worshipped as the ideal mother and wife as well as the patroness of nature and magic. She was the friend of slaves, sinners, artisans and the downtrodden, but she also listened to the prayers of the wealthy, maidens, aristocrats and rulers.[1] Isis is often depicted as the mother of Horus, the hawk-headed god of war and protection (although in some traditions Horus's mother wasHathor). Isis is also known as protector of the dead and goddess of children.
The name Isis means "Throne".[2] Her headdress is a throne. As the personification of the throne, she was an important representation of the pharaoh's power. The pharaoh was depicted as her child, who sat on the throne she provided. Hercult was popular throughout Egypt, but her most important temples were at Behbeit El-Hagar in the Nile delta, and, beginning in the reign with Nectanebo I (380–362 BCE), on the island of Philae in Upper Egypt.
Duh!
I think it is a distraction.
ISIL is the acual abbreviation, and besides, ISIS as such does not translate to Ababic.
So let's see, Bush and his Neo-Con buddies tell us we gotta go to this great party in a shithole (Iraq). They tell us "oh no....taint a shithole...it's gonna be great". Even though history clearly showed anyone who has every gone there found out it was a shithole and got shit all over them. But BUsh and his buddies lie through their teeth about how there will be no shit. So we beleive them and go. And guess what? We get shit all over us. And now it's someone else's fault? Hilarious.
After 5-1/2 years.
It's Bush's fault.
Bush armed ISIS.
The bastard. He must have got a good price for a painting.
So let's see. If I come and set your house on fire. And turn it over to you to put the fire out....and you can't. Then all the damage caused is your fault....right?
Don't forget we bought all kinds of insurance on the likelihood of their house burning. And invested in industries that would profit from putting out the fire and dealing with the aftermath of burnt houses.
Well then, time to cash in. Who has got the policies? Bush? Cheney? Rumsfeld?
If you return to pour gasoline on the fire then you are exacerbating the damage and causing it to spread to the neighbors' houses.
Bush/Chaney signed the deal that we would leave Irag. Sounds like they started the fire and made sure more gas would be added at a later date.
Obama was caught sneaking away from the scene of the blaze with an empty gas can. His willfully blind supporters place him elsewhere. Madeleine Albright has interests in an Iraqi casket company (that is sarcasm).
That's Darth Cheney, but maybe you meant the ghoulish version.
which bush?
Bushes, Clintons, Obama = all the same NWO stooges. Reagan probably was not because they tried to off him as he was not skull and bones.
Maliki gets Russian jets
Maliki gets a US drone
Vote now.
Maliki bugs-out with gold bars.
rehypothecated gold bars, that is gold that has been sold through derivatives 1000%
You are showing a keen lack of knowledge with your comment about the SU-27 and the Eurofighter Typhoon.
Eurofighters are more maneuverable, better equipped and better weaponised than the SU-27, especially the export versions. Typhoons use the best AAMs in the industry (meteors), Brimstone and Storm Shadow. Far better than F-16 also. Admittedly they would struggle against SU-PAK, but at the present time they are leading the pack.
For the record, Typhoons beat F-22 Raptors in recent training.
http://theaviationist.com/2012/07/23/f-22-raptor-kill-markings/
And don't start me on the failed F-35 project....
Our military doesn't have decent fighter against the Russians.
Our inept military generals went multipurpose.
A stealthy flying pig with wings.
isis A
In the last six months, ISIS has been awarded a number of new us,uk and israeli,qatari,turkic,jordanian : )
government and business contracts for its security, intelligence, technology and training services. These contracts break down as follows:
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Western govs were trading with Gadhaffi until the final moments...i don't catch your drift.
all modern man op f jets are kaput, on ZH we can see better than most, so look, unmaned drones, cost order of magnitued less than the old fighters much less new ones..less cost in flying and maint, less cost in pilot training, automation in warfare, is the future, mans role will just be the victims of violence of the machine. not very pleasent but what else looks this sure? no pesky human fighters to feed, keep paid and happy, google will lead the way i am sure with integrating systems of control..
2 good Russian pilots with SU-25 FrogFoots's could deal with ISIS. Probably 5 to 6 Syrian pilots in FrogFoots.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtAThLpxmxw
Let's see now....
Obaba wants Malikie out because of corruption, incompetence and lawlessness?
On whose part?
Gimme some time. I think I can answer that.
Hmmmmmmmm...
I must have airconditioning, microwave, stereo, and my car, gots to have my wheels. And my big house.
KILL EVERYONE TO GET IT, I DON'T CARE, I MUST HAVE MY CONSUMEHER GOODS!!!! Arm both sides, let them shoot it out and kill each other once and for all.
GIVE ME THE OIL, BITCHEZ. I AM A CONSUMEHER.
I AM A HUMAN AND AN AMERICAN. MOTHER EARTH IS MY BITCH.
PLEASE USE YOUR CREDIT CARD.
CHARGE MORE THAN YOU CAN PAY.
LOANS DON'T GO AWAY.
PRIVATE PROPERTY DOES GO AWAY IF YOU CANNOT PAY.
THOUGHT WE LEARNED THIS LEASON 15 YEARS AGO???
"Americans deluded us."
Don't feel like the Lone Ranger.
Deluded? Wow, can you imagine, a foreign 'leader' feels deluded by Obama? Think more like Putin - dumb fuck - and you won't get deluded again.
Deluded - how does he think our servicemen and women feel?
Deluded - how does he think every American feels when they pay their tax bill and watch as the Russian, Chinese, and Iranians take over ever asset in the country.
Deluded are the > 1/2 the voters of this 300+ million strong US of A who were deluded by the fuck - twice - each time 4 years apart.
Deluded - The other slightly less than <1/2 of all voting Americans who never cast a ballot for the fuck head but realize that he deluded the rest of the voting public while he's fucked the rest of us harder than his favorite Chicago bathhouse bitch.
Deluded - The Nobel Peace Prize voting members.
Deluded - Anyone who has believed a single fucking word that's ever come out of Obama's mouth or the mouth of anyone speaking for him in the past decade.
Deluded by us - that's a fucking hoot. We should stop deluding the world into thinking all Americans are ike Obama. have the fuck impeached and convicted and then have Caterpillar as our next contractors in Iraq. We have them level and pave the entire fucking place from one-end to the other and push every living person to another part of that shit hole of a world we've help devolve.
After paving is done, and every 'citizen' is given the choice of fleeing to Syria, Turkey, Iran, Saudi Arabia or Jordan (yes, Jordan, the country we haven't heard much from, but will probably be in the middle of another civil war any day now), we take over all the oil well and recompense ourselves 100X over for every dollar we spent there. Then, we use additional proceeds to provide $10,000,000 for every mortally wounded soldier for life care, $5,000,000 to the family of any fallen soldier, a signing bonus of $50,000 to anyone who served there (per tour), etc. After we pump the rest of their oil, we let them have the place back. It will be like the US Government giving out rights to the wild west. Don't worry, we'll be nicer than Israel, we'll allow you thr 'right of return.' We can do our own little Iraqi Homestead Act - as soon as there ain't an ounce of oil left under the country - give it a decade or two.
Where's General Blackhead when you need him? Oh, that's right, he's dead. Oh well, there might be one 5-star guy left that hasn't been dismissed by Obama who can orchestrate the takeover of a country we've already run rough-shod over twice int he past 25 years, especially when we don't concern ourselves with collateral damage.
A small point is being missed here, as BBC reports, citing Maliki, "Jets from Russia and Belarus will hopefully make a key difference in the fight against ISIS in Iraq." Belarus.
I would say it is most likely to be second hand Belarus aircraft that are now on their way to Iraq. Similar to this deployment http://en.itar-tass.com/russia/723406
Select a type from the list below but I would go for the SU25 Frogfoot (think A10 without the Gatling gun) for ground attack along with perhaps SU24. Can't see the need for a SU27 yet.
http://www.milavia.net/airforces/reports/belarusian-air-force/
As for pilots, choose between Syrian, Iranian and Belarus, all fully trained on the aircraft types. Maintenance can be done in Syria or Iran, no problem. Many Iraqis. perhaps now retired used to work on these planes when they were in the Iraqi Air Force before the planes were destroyed by the US or flew to Iran. How about the Iranians giving back to Iraq their MIG29/SU25?
There are lots more options for the Iraqis with Russian aircraft than with US types. THey may not be as capable with the latest US/Israeli flown aircraft but they may not have to face them.
I think in the past few days - Iran has released some of those planes. If Syrian pilots are trained for SU25s - I am sure many will volunteer. Syria wanst these ZATO ISIS rats exterminated. IRaq in Al Maliki has already given Syria the green light. The SU25 is more than capable and is much faster and manuverable than the A-10.
Tyler, it's amazing how simplistic your analysis of the situation in the Middle East is! It's also downright scary to see how many conspiracy theorists are on this forum. People, please use multiple sources to reach your conclusions and try to choose both pro and against what you think. SCARY!!!!!
Realise that everything - and I mean everything - is a CIA false-flag attack, and you can't go wrong. Even Germany only beating USA 1-0 last night - somehow.
S'cuze me for asking, but where is John Kerry these days? Searching the pawn shops on Nantucket for others' Iraq war medals to throw at someone yet to be determined?
Something tells me that Putin's miltary won't be following the U.S. girlyman rules of engagement (don't even think about returning fire against an enemy unless and until you're dead).
he's busy getting his weekly Botox injections.
He's in Saudi trying to work out what the hell to do next.
"He expressed regrets over Iraq's contract with the US, saying their "jets are taking too long to arrive."
And talking about long, how about those F35's you promissed us.....
You mean the "Crippled" export versions?
Are they crippled now also ?
I thought that they only spontaneously caught fire like those Tesla's.
Please cancel our order.
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