This page has been archived and commenting is disabled.

Martin Armstrong Warns Civil Unrest Is Rising Everywhere: "This Won't End Pretty"

Tyler Durden's picture


Submitted by Martin Armstrong of Armstrong Economics,

Russell Brand

The greatest problem we have is misinformation. People simply do not comprehend why and how the economic policies of the post-war era are imploding. This whole agenda of socialism has sold a Utopian idea that the State is there for the people yet it is run by lawyers following their own self-interest. The pensions created for those in government drive the cost of government up exponentially with time. The political forces blame the rich and this merely creates a class warfare with no resolution for the future. Even confiscating all the wealth of the so-called rich will not sustain the system. Consequently, we just have to crash and burn and start all over again.

The Guardian reported that some 50,000 people marched in London to protest against austerity. They cried: “Who is really responsible for the mess this country is in? Is it the Polish fruit pickers or the Nigerian nurses? Or is it the bankers who plunged it into economic disaster – or the tax avoiders? It is selective anger.”

The exploitation by the bankers has been really a disaster. They have been their own worst enemy and in the end, they have become the symbol that inspires class warfare if not revolution. They are not the representatives of those who produce jobs. They are merely those who wanted to trade with other people’s money for free. When they win, it is their’s, but any losses are passed to the taxpayers. Bankers should be bankers – not hedge fund managers who keep 100% of the profits using other people’s savings.

Glass-Steagall Signing-Repeal

The repeal of Glass Steagall was the final straw that broke the back of the world economy. That was the single worst act that could have ever been done and we are now paying the price in spades. The collapse from 2007 has wiped out even the liquidity of the markets. The second worst act was the creation of the euro when the real goal was the federalization of Europe from the outset. That undermined the entire European banking system and has led to a serious undermining of the entire global economy.

The solutions from politics will always be the same – grab more power. We are in a downward spiral of liberty and how far we go down this path to the future will be determined by the people and if they at least wise up and see this is not class warfare, it is the people against government. This is why I say career politicians are dangerous for they can be bought way too easily as Clinton was to open the flood gates for the bankers.

This is not going to end pretty. The question is when does society wake up? Just how high will this price be that we have to pay? They will blame the rich and the idiots will cheer – get them. What will happen when there is no more wealth to hunt? We end up with a communist state by default – no wealth, just career politicians who blame everyone but themselves.


- advertisements -

Comment viewing options

Select your preferred way to display the comments and click "Save settings" to activate your changes.
Sat, 06/28/2014 - 14:42 | 4905601 Omegaman2211
Omegaman2211's picture

It might not end pretty. But it could be the start of a world without governments and violence, which would be wonderful.

Sat, 06/28/2014 - 14:45 | 4905605 Latina Lover
Latina Lover's picture

Agreed.  What we need is a new world disorder, a decentralized, networked world where we are free to express ourselves, instead of being dominated by political mediocrities owned by banksters.

Sat, 06/28/2014 - 14:50 | 4905615 TeamDepends
TeamDepends's picture

Here in the US, if the Tree Of Liberty must be watered with the blood of patriots and tyrants so be it.  But there is a better way.

Sat, 06/28/2014 - 15:00 | 4905631 Top Gear
Top Gear's picture

Why no just re-regulate if deregulation caused all the problems?

Sat, 06/28/2014 - 15:02 | 4905635 hobopants
hobopants's picture

Because that would be contrary to the interest of the people who profit from it.

Sat, 06/28/2014 - 16:09 | 4905761 BaBaBouy
BaBaBouy's picture

WHY DOES HomeLand Have Soo Many Million Bullets In It's Secured Warehouses ???

Sat, 06/28/2014 - 16:28 | 4905791 chumbawamba
chumbawamba's picture

Is rael simple, folks.  Stop confessing to being a citizen of the United States and all your problems go away.

Here's another mini-lesson from your pal Chumblito.  Drop a tab and ponder this:


  -- created --

We the People

  -- created --

the states (United)

  -- created --


  -- created --

United States citizen

The created can never be greater than the created.  If you are a "United States citizen" then you are a creation of the UNITED STATES, a corporation.  You are its property.  Its chattle.  Like cattle.  Or actually, not more like but exactly like emancipated negro slaves, with civil rights in place of what should be unalienable God given rights as secured by the Bill of Rights through the Constitution.

But, you, a creation of a corporation?  How can that be?  You are a flesh and blood wo/man, and the only one we know who can create those is...God.

You don't want to beleive in God?  Fine.  But believe God is your creator, otherwise your GOVERNMENT GOD will claim you as its own, and that G.O.D. (Government Obligated Debt) requires you to pay taxes.

Get it?

Go back to the top and take your rightful position as a son or daughter of God on Earth.  The Earth spawned you, not corporations.  Man spawed the corporation, and the corporation spawned the inanimate corporate United States citizen.


* "UNITED STATES" is the name of the corporation providing government administration services to the 50 Union states.  It is akin to "WALMART" or "MCDONALD'S" OR "COSTCO".  It is a corporation.  See 28 U.S. Code § 3002(15)(A).

I am Chumbawamba.

Sat, 06/28/2014 - 16:51 | 4905822 JDFX
JDFX's picture

There are men , created in gods image and who have dominion over all animals .

And then , legally defined in statute , you have humans included with animals in statutes.

Check out food, drug and medicines statutes for proof ! 


Sat, 06/28/2014 - 20:14 | 4906163 Omegaman2211
Omegaman2211's picture

There is no such thing as god.

Sat, 06/28/2014 - 20:44 | 4906216 Publicus
Publicus's picture

Simply print money to fund economic activity. Then periodically pull the money that gathered at the rich and cancel them. Problem solved.

Sat, 06/28/2014 - 21:37 | 4906291 markmotive
markmotive's picture

100 years ago today Archduke Ferdinand was assassinated. And so began the domino effect that led to WWI...and eventually WWII.

Draw your own parallels to today.

Sun, 06/29/2014 - 01:28 | 4906567 Oh regional Indian
Oh regional Indian's picture

Actually if one reads Silent Weapons for Silent wars and otherwise understands Econometric modelling, none of this should be a surprise.

With the kind of data access they have now, a large swathe of the population is in the "highly predict-able" zone. Between dual sim phones and panoptical snooping, they know where you are, probably who with and what you just ordered/did. 

It's a discreet world to planners. 

But then there are the Neozzzz of the world. Waking up, like here.

The race is between en-darken-ment and it's opposite.

And for a hopefully slow Sunday, if anyone is called to a little alternative guitar treatment, yours truly ;-)

Sun, 06/29/2014 - 05:39 | 4906687 Frankie Carbone
Frankie Carbone's picture

Disabling the GPS on your phone is very easy. Most phones have a video posted online that demonstrate how to completely disassemble them and disabling GPS is as easy, an non-destructive and pulling a small cable plug out of a socket. This removes the antenna connection from the GPS transceiver chip and the phone should still work. So if you value your privacy it's that easy. If you want to either sell the phone or get GPS back then plug the cable back in. 

Sun, 06/29/2014 - 07:11 | 4906742 barre-de-rire
barre-de-rire's picture

phone do not have gps...


they have tri angular localization services based on cell phone relay... it is called " A-GPS"


you cannot off it, from a user side the soft disabling it unallowing application to  use service, but the service itself is by conception working, this is what allow  the phone to get best receiving quality by switching overs relays over time & location.

only solution, remove battery from phone.



Sun, 06/29/2014 - 09:32 | 4906878 Manthong
Manthong's picture

Metallic foil wrap or bag could  work , too.

Somebody is selling them online.


Hey, I just heard that Chevron has taken over the gas distribution pipe in Ukraine.

Actually that deal was inked before the US sponsored coup.

So were a bunch of deals with Monsanto, Cargill and others.

The change of mind to go with the Russia rather than EU thus jeopardizing those deals is what sparked the bloody ouster and war.  

Follow the money. Peace and lives be damned.

Mission Accomplished.

Sun, 06/29/2014 - 10:41 | 4906949 Abi Normal
Abi Normal's picture

Some animals are more equal than others.  (Translated = Politicians).  There, how tidy is that to sum it up.  We live now in Animal Farm my friends.

Amerika has been a socialist state since the 1930's...the communista is winning damn it, and all we do is hit the keyboards and each other...sad indeed.

If men were Angels then there would be no need for gov't.  Men are not Angels.  Some of you here want anarchy...well I hope you are part of the fittest, otherwise you will be eaten.

We need to go back to the Constitution, rule of law, wipe out the croney politicians from power via the vote...if we can find a way to prevent the fraud.  Establish fiscal sanity again. Quit being the world's policeman.  Defend our borders, and jail the corrupt, treasonous mongrels running our govt.

Failing that, we devolve into this anarchy some of you want.  It will not be pretty, watching people die, killing others, dying for what?

To the people of the world...WAKE THE FUCK UP!  Socialism, Communism, Fascism, and croney capitalism does not work.  It hast to be free markets, and FREEDOM.

We now have a police state, and TPTB are almost ready to slam the door shut on our freedoms for good; unless we wake up and get together to take our country back.  They want us to fight each other, because when we do that, we are not fighting them!!!


Sun, 06/29/2014 - 13:47 | 4907338 PrintemDano
PrintemDano's picture

+ 10,000


Sun, 06/29/2014 - 16:32 | 4907746 BellyBrain
BellyBrain's picture

The "revolution" doesn't have to involve any violence.  I think "they" WANT a revolution to happen to give them an excuse to kill us at will.  Let's be smarter than that and just walk the fuck away from their bullshit system. 

Local communities working together, building permaculture gardens and food forests on EVERY vacant lot and rooftop will very quickly find that they don't need this decaying system any more.  Hungry?  There's a food forest on every block.  Running out of gas?  We can make biofuels from hemp.  Need building materials?  Hemp bricks.

Sun, 06/29/2014 - 17:04 | 4907801 Abi Normal
Abi Normal's picture

I've never proposed violence...where have I said that even once?

I say the rule of law should be the difference, vote the bastards may want to re-read my post.

I agree with you, but to walk away is to die a slow death, not to mention the tax man may not pay income tax but you sure as hell pay property taxes, etc...

Sun, 06/29/2014 - 18:25 | 4908009 giggler321
giggler321's picture

>>phone do not have gps...


>>only solution, remove battery from phone.


Oh it's back to the old faithful CB radio then.  Anyone out there on the 19?,  Breaker, breaker am I getting out?


I'm gonna drone my CB to my phone, then they know where my CB is flying but not where I am...


Sun, 06/29/2014 - 07:13 | 4906744 someoneelse
someoneelse's picture

The spooks triangulate your location when the phone is on (receiving calls) and you can't turn that off (it's based on math, not a  sensor). You can take out the battery or use throw-away phones to increase privavcy, but each phone will always be known to the system when its powered up.

Sun, 06/29/2014 - 23:22 | 4908704 LukeNath
LukeNath's picture

It is not just GPS by which your location is tracked.

Trackers are already installed in the equipment of all

cellular providers. Not only do they track you (triangulation

by the towers), but they also record every conversation.

Today's massive disk drive farms, along with software

compression algorithms, they can literally store all the

phone conversations.


However, if a giant solar CME hits us, it will at least

fry all electronics, if not vaporize earth's atmosphere.


Sun, 06/29/2014 - 10:06 | 4906912 Disenchanted
Disenchanted's picture

ORI, it's actually Silent Weapons For Quiet Wars

Never fear though, establishment types say it's just a hoax...

Sun, 06/29/2014 - 11:04 | 4906995 Oh regional Indian
Oh regional Indian's picture

Thanks Dis, yes, that book. Mind blowing stuff.

And sure, it's as hoaxy as the Protocols of the Elderberries! ;-)

Sun, 06/29/2014 - 14:41 | 4907482 Terminus C
Terminus C's picture

Interesting read indeed.  I kind of felt like Winston reading the secrets of the Inner Party...

Guess it is off to room 101 for some re-edumakation for me.

Not sure on the relibility of the source because there seemed to be some strange flows in logic (jumping from mathematical descriptions of economics to macro societal implications as well as truncated descriptions of social engineering).  It seemed a bit hodgepodge and it is entirely possible that some information was added to an original text to further a political agenda.  It is also entirely possible it is an authentic document.

Sun, 06/29/2014 - 19:38 | 4908184 The Gooch
The Gooch's picture

Here's something for you to solo over, ORI.

Courtesy of yours truly.


The Gooch.

Sun, 06/29/2014 - 23:46 | 4908737 Oh regional Indian
Oh regional Indian's picture

Love it Gooch, definitely the kind of deep loop that is great to solo over :-)

Nice, ZH needs to get it's talents together someday :-)

Thanks for sharing...

Sun, 06/29/2014 - 00:58 | 4906547 disabledvet
disabledvet's picture


And what's an "arch duke"? Is that like an "arch rival"...a kinda "pretenda" not a really?

Sun, 06/29/2014 - 08:55 | 4906838 sessinpo
sessinpo's picture

Publicus    Simply print money to fund economic activity. Then periodically pull the money that gathered at the rich and cancel them. Problem solved.


Then why produce> Why should one try to better themselves and EARN a better living> Why should one achieve? Your statement is pure socialism. Spread the wealth and misery. We can all be equally miserable.

Sun, 06/29/2014 - 19:48 | 4908209 Publicus
Publicus's picture

Like you actually produce anything.

Let me put it another way, cancel the excess money via asset tax on asset above 1 million.

Sat, 06/28/2014 - 21:14 | 4906252 SunRise
SunRise's picture

Thanks! Your Godlike assurance settles it!

Sat, 06/28/2014 - 21:30 | 4906280 diesheepledie
diesheepledie's picture

There is no such thing as spaghetti.

Sat, 06/28/2014 - 22:02 | 4906331 Cruel Aid
Cruel Aid's picture


Sat, 06/28/2014 - 22:35 | 4906386 vie
vie's picture


Sat, 06/28/2014 - 23:06 | 4906425 Omegaman2211
Omegaman2211's picture

Simpleton fucktard thinks he's being witty.

Sat, 06/28/2014 - 23:43 | 4906473 NidStyles
NidStyles's picture

You'll get more bees with honey.

Sun, 06/29/2014 - 04:07 | 4906651 stacking12321
stacking12321's picture

Don't hate the pastafarians, they're on your side

Sun, 06/29/2014 - 19:11 | 4908104 chumbawamba
chumbawamba's picture

Thanks for turning a discussion about political status into a religious tardfest, fuckface.

I am Chumbawamba.

Sun, 06/29/2014 - 12:09 | 4907102 FiatFapper
FiatFapper's picture


Sat, 06/28/2014 - 22:59 | 4906410 Omegaman2211
Omegaman2211's picture

Drudge army with the down votes I see

Sat, 06/28/2014 - 23:59 | 4906471 James_Cole
James_Cole's picture

There is obviously such a thing as God (you've referred to it afterall) but much like unicorns, zeus and godzilla God is only alive within the confines of the human imagination. Actually scratch that, after fukushima godzilla might be real some day. The others are definitely made up.

Anyway, I don't see what the big deal is, if people want to believe in things OK whatever - i believe in things that aren't real all the time, as do you, as does everyone, part of the ole' human experience. As long as these believers don't go all saudi arabia on us (as something like 40% of the american pop would like to) it's cool. It's actually nice talking to people who have moderate religious beliefs from time to time. And I don't mean that in a patronizing way, some of my favourite writers are / were deeply religious.  

Sun, 06/29/2014 - 05:05 | 4906673 BringOnTheAsteroid
BringOnTheAsteroid's picture

Really, you believe in things that aren't real. Like?

The word itself is really absurd when you look it at. The following two words: "I Believe" can preceed an infinite combination of words so long as the resulting phrase/sentence is grammatically correct. The ridiculous thing is, they're all right.

"I believe that we all get re-incarnated as roller coast tracks".

As absurd and ridiculous as the above statement is, it can't be wrong by defintion. If that's what I believe, that's what I believe.

Silly word.


Sun, 06/29/2014 - 13:23 | 4907267 Yes We Can. But...
Yes We Can. But Lets Not.'s picture

Matter exists.

Why?  How?

Sun, 06/29/2014 - 14:45 | 4907494 Terminus C
Terminus C's picture

God exists.

Why? How?


Sun, 06/29/2014 - 15:08 | 4907569 Yes We Can. But...
Yes We Can. But Lets Not.'s picture

MmHm.  And where did the matter of the universe come from? Why does it exist?  How did it come to be? Why is there not instead simply nothingness?

Sun, 06/29/2014 - 19:32 | 4908161 vickster339
vickster339's picture

You are asking some very good questions that get right to the heart of a very old riddle...  To get to the best possible answer you must first overcome the temporally perceived gravitational radius. (by temporally perceived I am referring to the construct we perceive and exist within that is governed by the speed of light propigating throughout at C^2). 

Hint: If you consider my "black hole merger paradox" there is an optimal solution to the black hole information paradox and that solution is mine.  Whereby physical information is preserved within black hole entropy only to be deterministically reassigned later... this line of thinking will lead you to the unification of mass and magnetism in a new physical constant.  Mass is temporally assigned magnetism and the two forces are only one in the same in one construct where 2GM/C^2 is the temporal reflection of 2GM/C. 

Unifying the strong and weak nuclear force is a bit more complicated, however; in doing so you will find your answer.  To do that will require a quantum relativistic hydrodynamic simulation of binary black hole hydrogen synthesis.  This is a deterministic process that can only be replicated by way of simulation on the smallest theoretical scale possible.


Wed, 07/02/2014 - 10:07 | 4917548 Yes We Can. But...
Yes We Can. But Lets Not.'s picture

Uhm, thanks.

But such worm-hole-esque grade solutions don't work for a simpleton like me.....

Sun, 06/29/2014 - 22:33 | 4908584 BringOnTheAsteroid
BringOnTheAsteroid's picture

Why? - Don't know.

How? - Don't know.

Invoking god sure as shit doesn't solve it because the Why and How is just backed up one more level.

Silly human beings.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 11:49 | 4908854 NihilistZero
NihilistZero's picture

Today, a young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration – that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively. There is no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we are the imagination of ourselves. Here's Tom with the weather. - Bill Hicks

Sun, 06/29/2014 - 16:28 | 4907739 James_Cole
James_Cole's picture

Really, you believe in things that aren't real. Like?


I believe there is some highly advantageous refereeing being done for benefit of Brasil at the world cup, doesn't make it true. But that's what I believe.


In general our senses are excellent at playing tricks on us and our minds are happy to jump to simplistic inaccurate conclusions to complex problems  (i.e. correlation / causation). Religion is an extension of this. 

Sat, 06/28/2014 - 23:59 | 4906488 buyingsterling
buyingsterling's picture

Nah, you're being negged by a lot of long time ZHers who, unlike you, don't think they are God. That's the alternative: you are supreme. That sounds even more ridiculous than flying spaghetti, doesn't it?

"I don't believe that God exists". Great, that works.
"There is no God and you are an idiot for thinking otherwise" is just an excuse to have the shit knocked out of you by people who have thought about this issue, post-high school.

You've made a choice. I assume you don't deny that, as Wiki says, the universe began as a singularity of zero volume and infinite energy. Something birthed that. Your choice is to believe that dead matter can lead to humans, who can create tiny black holes inside of super-colliders within a few thousand years of thinking about such things, but the infinite energy that birthed this universe must be forever mindless.

Who looks like a narrow-minded fucktard now? You put your foot down like a child, "it's mindless! It has to be!" with zero proof and zero logic. The rest of us, the adults, leave the door open to other possibilities.

Sun, 06/29/2014 - 01:23 | 4906564 disabledvet
disabledvet's picture

I do agree..Kodak did fail.

Taking down Coke-a-Cola is gonna take a lot longer though.

I mean sure...who doesn't hate 'mericans. But deep down...who doesn't want a cold, refreshing (cue lyrical music interlude here) with AHHHHHHmen to that soda pop! (Wink from hot blonde, sell another ten million cases the next day.). Now THAT my friends IS GOD!

Without a doubt Soda Pop ended the war in Vietnam...just like it's winding down the Republocrats and their Zionist Overlords.

Go ahead Adolph Bloomturd...head on down to Atlanta and "raise hell about the red and white." Go ahead...mouth off about "fried chicken" and whatever that place is that Madison Avenue has turned into a Tummy Yummy Pleasure Paradise.

I mean give it up...the "money machine" has simply overwhelmed the American Electorate's ability to comprehend where they fit into this "uber munchen" world that's been laid before them.

"Strength and Honor"...that sells. "You lose I win"?

Ridiculous. These folks aren't even asking for a vote period...let alone preparing a policy response. And the sad part is the folks who have been given pretty much everything the Republic has to offer...they can't even offer a rationale or a reason for it.

"Out of the ashes has come a New America." That's why this equity market is unstoppable. "Says it right on the money...a Novus Ordo Seclorum."

That is a VERY valuable piece of paper being debauched. It is possible for that thing to become very valuable to even a simple saver...let alone a wage earner...or pensioner.

We have the largest debt markets in human history in this country for a reason...and it ain't because we're Zimbabwe or Zaire.

One of the reasons we had so much inflation in the 70's in the USA was because we had very low levels of debt. That is not the case when the Keynsians come roaring in with their "printing press theology" they are running smack on into the problem of "how do I create demand with more debt" (and fewer taxpayers I might add.). And of course the answer is "you don't" fact the answer is "you CAN'T."

Simply put what is being "done" is both a logical if not Marxist (internal contradictions) impossibility. "Capaitism cannot flourish under a bailout regime." CASE CLOSED.

Sun, 06/29/2014 - 09:58 | 4906903 Comte d'herblay
Comte d&#039;herblay's picture

damned caffeine

Sun, 06/29/2014 - 10:04 | 4906904 Comte d'herblay
Comte d&#039;herblay's picture

As an Atheist of the first order, I can go so far as to say that the most brilliant mind (MBM) the world has ever seen in a Human Bean, is an arrogant, prideful, self-obsessed twit to try and convince that there is a god.

I'm willing to admit that there may well be a 'beginning',  a birthdate of the universe,  but that just like infinity, the MBM---- let alone the average person---- cannot comprehend it-----and then since he can not, attributes the conundrum in an act of mental surrender, by declaring there must be a god.


"God" was a natural invention which arose as a garbled voice in minds of prehensile-tailed human beans, telling him to do this or that , based on the natural attribute of Fear. 

There is no fucking god, and if there is, she despises us, should appear at the Hague for war crimes trials as an indicted perpetrator, and summarily executed by a firing squad using Pellet guns. 


Sun, 06/29/2014 - 11:19 | 4907011 overmedicatedun...
overmedicatedundersexed's picture

comte, well written, but what you think it is we are saying is a mixed bag..a small few of us understand that the unknowable, is just that. Many will describe what it is, even to what it's expectations and goals are. I cannot lable what my human mind has almost (in fact no chance) of comprehending.

I think atheists if honest also use mental surrender to try to come to grips with the fact that it is astounding beyond comprehension, so it must not be real. I am reminded of a recent book by David Hand, emeritus professor of mathematics Imperial college of london.. a quote from it"there is no getting away from it:sometimes events occur which seem so improbable, so unexpected, and so unlikely, they hint that there's something about the universe we don't understand."

Sun, 06/29/2014 - 13:05 | 4907212 buyingsterling
buyingsterling's picture

All of this is inevitable.
We have this thing of wonder, the creation of the universe, and we find ourselves here, distinctly different from the other beings around us.

These things will compel an intelligent mind to seek explanation. Let's assume all religions are truly contrived: if so, they reflect reality: The larger creates the smaller, and minds work with purpose. Lacking a scientific explanation of where everything came from, it's natural to believe it was made by something.

What human beings have done with these ideas is another question, but to formulate the idea of God is not an effort to control, but to understand.
The problem is what is done with the energy of the believers. It can be twisted. But THAT ENERGY EXISTS AND IT WILL FIND EXPRESSION. Scientists are now arguing that we have a predisposition to believe in big ideas. You want to look at the world in black and white: religion is bad, its absence would be better. For most believers, their belief is personal, and to the extent that it ever affects others, it manifests in gentle persuasion. For 99.5% of believers, the fact that they believe will never affect you. Most of their energy in this regard is focused on themselves and their loved ones. If people didn't put any energy into religion, then it's irrelevant and you're bitching about nothing. So you see what I see, an ocean of energy, and you would rather have it manifest in:

1. Government
2. Conquest
3. Commerce (unfettered by a moral code this leads to communism eventually, we'd have gotten there long ago absent a basic moral code passed down largely by religion. Or you get fascism or a combination, which we have now)
4. Race/Tribe

Others? Got a big idea you're keen to turn people onto?
If so, you're doing a pretty crappy job spreading it, because it's not taking hold.

Sun, 06/29/2014 - 15:22 | 4907597 chumbawamba
chumbawamba's picture

There is a natural order to things and if you pay close attention you'll start to notice it.  That natural order can be modeled, mimicked and employed in our man-made world to make things run optimally.  Instead, man spends his time endlessly trying to figure things out and trying things he THINKS will work, which is fine.  Man is a creator like that.  But sometimes it's best to just go with what's tried and true.

I hope people can start to see this.

I am Chumbawamba.

Sun, 06/29/2014 - 19:09 | 4908100 LooseLee
LooseLee's picture

The cessation of 'thinking' is the beginning of WISDOM

Sun, 06/29/2014 - 22:38 | 4908601 BringOnTheAsteroid
BringOnTheAsteroid's picture

To be honest, although philosophical statements like that sound good and infer some deep meaning, they're little more than word smithing. 

Sun, 06/29/2014 - 15:26 | 4907614 real
real's picture

and id like to add, that even spending this much time on mental fantasy, is that much time not being spent on realizing that ALL of the problems we face are do to US 

Sun, 06/29/2014 - 16:36 | 4907751 buyingsterling
buyingsterling's picture

Religion is (properly conducted) the practice of realizing this truth. Our problems are of our own making, they can be overcome or carried, with help from other willing people and the 'divine'.
Politics is the practice of ignoring problems, blaming them on others, and putting them off on others, and ultimately holding a gun to the heads of those who are unwilling to participate in forced 'help'.
Sometimes one looks like the other, but in general, that's how it works.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 02:23 | 4908859 NihilistZero
NihilistZero's picture


God is benevolent.  God is all powerful.  Evil exists.  Logic dictates you can have 2 of the 3.

Sun, 06/29/2014 - 12:42 | 4907166 Marco
Marco's picture

I say there is no god in the same way I say the sun will come up in the morning ... sure in theory both are working hypothesis, but at some point it starts being silly to add weakening adjectives to everything.

In theory there is only certainty in math, in practice I'm sure of a lot of things in the world at large.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 18:58 | 4911819 LooseLee
LooseLee's picture

God is an idea---a projection of a super-self The idea of a creator is similar but not the same A creator does not have to be a projection of anything, and it certainly does not have to be human-like, Thinking of 'God' as some male-oriented super-human is quite juvenile. When one understands the nature of oneself, then and only then can a further exploration of 'beyond' that is possible, Sadly, this self-knowledge is not in any book or sacred text All these answers are within 'you'

Sun, 06/29/2014 - 01:09 | 4906556 Hugh_Jorgan
Hugh_Jorgan's picture

The "there is no God" comments are either grossly ignorant of facts or simply willfull trolling.

Only intelligence can create a base-4 language like our DNA. This is not only order out of chaos, but it is information out of chaos.

It is preposterous to imagine walking through the forest, finding a book on the ground and exclaiming "Wow! look what blind chance and vast amounts of time created!"

If you read Darwin's THEORY he plainly admits that if animal cells are found to be anything other than a very simple bag of protoplasm his theory must be dicarded. Neo-Darwinist throwbacks have co-opted his theory and have been passing it off as fact despite the fact that as science advances, it keeps pointing toward intelligent design.

Sun, 06/29/2014 - 01:42 | 4906578 buyingsterling
buyingsterling's picture

Great name.
I'd like to read something about that Darwin argument, I have not seen it before. Can you tell me where I can learn more?

Sun, 06/29/2014 - 03:27 | 4906631 SF beatnik
SF beatnik's picture

Whenever I think about god, my brain goes all comatose on me.

Sun, 06/29/2014 - 04:12 | 4906652 stacking12321
stacking12321's picture

When you think you're thinking about god, you're not thinking about god

Sun, 06/29/2014 - 15:25 | 4907609 chumbawamba
chumbawamba's picture

When you aren't think of anything at all--a perfectly clear mind--you are thinking with god.


Sun, 06/29/2014 - 20:01 | 4908254 Ralph Spoilsport
Ralph Spoilsport's picture

In the beginning...there was nothing. Which exploded.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 02:26 | 4908865 NihilistZero
NihilistZero's picture

There's a Big Bang at the other end of every black hole.  I really wish I could see the one where the Marvel Universe is real.  Because the only Gods I want to acknowledge are the lords of Asgard ;-)

Sun, 06/29/2014 - 04:56 | 4906671 Gunga
Gunga's picture

Signature in the Cell by Stephen Meyer is worth reading.

Sun, 06/29/2014 - 09:52 | 4906899 Jerome Lester H...
Jerome Lester Horwitz's picture

Thank you for the citation. I just bought a copy and look forward to reading it.

Sun, 06/29/2014 - 10:19 | 4906921 samuraitrader
samuraitrader's picture

Darwin's Black Box is another good read. Then look into Bruce Lipton's books like Biology of Belief.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 09:22 | 4909246 Abi Normal
Abi Normal's picture

Halley's Bible will astound you!

Sun, 06/29/2014 - 08:19 | 4906678 BringOnTheAsteroid
BringOnTheAsteroid's picture

Don't insult your own intelligence by proferring intelligent design on this website, of all places.

I just don't understand why you need a creator for the universe but you don't need a creator for the creator.

"It is preposterous to imagine walking through the forest, finding a book on the ground and exclaiming "Wow! look what blind chance and vast amounts of time created!"

I could not agree more because a book is made by a human, your example is stupid. Same applies for thre stop watch that a creationist finds on the beach, how could that be possibly made by chance. It couldn't,because it is inorganic, non biological and also, made by humans.

Why do you walk through a forest and find a book and exclaim it can't be made by chance but you've discarded or neglected a few hundred species of plants and animals from your example. Why do you use the blatantly stupid to drive your point home. Creationists always use the things, for which there cannot possibly be any explanation for existing without some higher intelligence, for their arguments of intelligent design.

Don't use the word transcendent either to claim that god doesn't need a creator because that term is a fabricated human notion of which there is not an atom of proof from one end of the universe to the next. It's one of the greatest mysteries to the human thought process that you cannot accept a universe without a creator but you can accept an infinitely powerful entity having always been there.

Isn't this patently absurd?

Creationists never address the unintelligent design of bilogical organisms like wisdom teeth and appendix in humans to name just two of the most blatantly obvious.

Evolution is staring you right in the face when you look at a dog, a corn cob, a stalk of wheat, a horse, a strawberry however these species have been subject to evolution by human selection, instead of natural selection. I needn't point out that breeding (human selection) is vastly faster than natural selection but at times also very unintelligent. Like boxers that can't breath, cocker spannials whose skull is too small for their brain, basset hounds whose limbs are prone to arthritis.

The concept of creationisism highlights the humans plight of mapping their own infinitisemally small experience to the universe as a whole. It's sort of cringeworthy to be honest. 


Sun, 06/29/2014 - 11:49 | 4907073 franciscopendergrass
franciscopendergrass's picture


Sun, 06/29/2014 - 12:28 | 4907135 tjeffersonsghost
tjeffersonsghost's picture

"Evolution is staring you right in the face"

Can one believe in God and Evolution at the same time?

Where does conciousness come from?

If evolution is the secular biblical code then are there a greater, superior group of humans (race if you will) over others? Are there traits that one group has superiority over another?


Sun, 06/29/2014 - 13:05 | 4907217 XitSam
XitSam's picture

"Can one believe in God and Evolution at the same time?"

Of course. There is no requirement that people be logical. That's freedom for ya.

Sun, 06/29/2014 - 14:52 | 4907516 Terminus C
Terminus C's picture

Amusing to assume that, if there is a God, then He is incapable of coming up with evolution as a process for development of life forms.

Fuck, people are stupid.

Wizard's first rule.

Sun, 06/29/2014 - 22:47 | 4908621 BringOnTheAsteroid
BringOnTheAsteroid's picture

You see therein lies the rub. If god created evolution as a purposeful means of the development of species he/she/it is a callous mother fucker because evolution cares not a wit about the suffering of the individual.

Like I've said before. Pile up all the dead animals/organisms from the beginning of time where random mutation fucked over the individual and left them to die a horrible death and we'd see instantly that evolution has not been designed by a consious higher power but by unthinking laws of physics. Nature is uncaring and indeed not even observant. In other words nature couldn't give a fuck.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 12:40 | 4909974 Abi Normal
Abi Normal's picture

I have a thing called Faith, in which I have a belief in a Divine Creation, with super intelligence and will, so I call that entity God.  If you want to worship your toaster, I say go for it.  I will not judge anyone for their beliefs, yet I am ridiculed and put down for mine?

Forgive them Father, for They KNOW what they do. JC (the NOT was left out intentionally)

I judge a man by his character... MLK

I love everyone, even my enemies, but that does not mean I will not defend my God given Liberty and Freedom, Molon Labe.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 12:45 | 4910009 Abi Normal
Abi Normal's picture

Asteroid, that is a very lame excuse for an argument about evolution vs creation.

Creation made the evolution possible.  Now we go to who or what created it?

You say it is random...then please explain to me the DNA of any living organism in full?  It is a program my friend, like it or not!  Bits and bytes at the organic level.  That ain't RANDOM fella.

Let me put it this way to you:

If I am wrong we both have no problem; if I am right, you have a pretty big problem!


Tue, 07/01/2014 - 15:57 | 4914957 buyingsterling
buyingsterling's picture

God isn't going to do something that destroys our free will. Otherwise our relation to him is meaningless.
If He'd created a world of perfectly developed creatures which never change, would that the seem 'natural'? How many basset hounds would we have to breed before we started wondering why changes like this never seem to happen in nature? How long would we look at the perfect stasis of bacterial life under a microscope before we wondered what was up? Etc.
Beyond that, your basic thesis is flawed. The bulk of creatures are born fit and die naturally, from old age or predators. Isn't age and the food chain just as cruel as evolution? In other words, isn't your basic complaint that the world you inhabit is imperfect?
Even if it were more perfect, if you wanted a shred of free will you'd still have a world full of horrors, large and small, no matter how perfect everything seemed.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 11:27 | 4909614 XitSam
XitSam's picture

Geez, prove my point for me. Which is ... "There is no requirement that people be logical."

I was talking about belief, not what actually exists.


Sun, 06/29/2014 - 14:55 | 4907523 Buckaroo Banzai
Buckaroo Banzai's picture

"I just don't understand why you need a creator for the universe but you don't need a creator for the creator."

You only have 5 senses, and a tiny brain. What makes you qualified to perceive or understand much of anything?

In the immortal words of David Lo Pan, you weren't put on this earth to "get it".

Sun, 06/29/2014 - 19:04 | 4908088 LooseLee
LooseLee's picture

Actually they are the SAME

Sun, 06/29/2014 - 22:48 | 4908627 BringOnTheAsteroid
BringOnTheAsteroid's picture

"You only have 5 senses, and a tiny brain. What makes you qualified to perceive or understand much of anything?"

And that my friend is what science is for.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 12:50 | 4910032 Abi Normal
Abi Normal's picture

Man is flawed; therefore, science is flawed.  Just look at the "science" of weather, or nuclear reactors, or medicine.  It is all inexact, and all have flaws, just like the people who created them.  Imagine that, there is that "creation" word again, makes one go hmmmm....does it not?

Sun, 06/29/2014 - 05:59 | 4906706 Magooo
Magooo's picture

Carlin lays out the ridiculousness of the situation

Sun, 06/29/2014 - 14:53 | 4907518 Terminus C
Terminus C's picture

There's an invisible man...

Great set for sure.

Tue, 07/01/2014 - 15:59 | 4914960 buyingsterling
buyingsterling's picture

Really funny, but grade school level arguments

Sun, 06/29/2014 - 12:49 | 4907186 Marco
Marco's picture

He could have made it a little easier by actually putting readable information in there instead of masses of non-activated DNA ... if that's programming it's pretty fucking crufty (and often buggy).

Sun, 06/29/2014 - 03:33 | 4906634 shouldvekilledthem
shouldvekilledthem's picture

(+22/-45) 45 ZH'ers out of 67 is a retard. 

have fun with your magic sky wizards fucking imbeciles :)

Sun, 06/29/2014 - 05:37 | 4906685 BringOnTheAsteroid
BringOnTheAsteroid's picture

Creationists are at the extreme end of the god believers for being a bit slow. Even the catholic church, the church so many people love to hate has given the green light to evolution. That's three from three in several hundred years, earth isn't flat afterall, earh revolves around the sun afterall and by gosh, biologcal organisms can morph into virtually any form dpendent on the pressures ffrom the environment and random mutation.

If only creationists could see the pile of dead organisms where random mutation failed, a pile so fucking big it'd make everest look like a mole hill, then they'd say "oh yeeeeeehhhhhhhh, doesn't look that smart after all".

Sun, 06/29/2014 - 14:58 | 4907534 Josey Montana
Josey Montana's picture

Where are you on that pile?  I'll pay to see it.

Sun, 06/29/2014 - 22:52 | 4908635 BringOnTheAsteroid
BringOnTheAsteroid's picture

Finding the discussion hitting a raw nerve JM. It's terrible when you start to have to really think critically about your belief system isn't it. Veerrrryyyyy uncomfortable indeed especially when it begins to creep into your awareness that what you've been led to believe is whole hearted fantasy and you weren't smart enough to question it.

It's never too late.

Sun, 06/29/2014 - 17:59 | 4907907 dsty
dsty's picture

snake eye

who are you speaking for?

or should i say, who is speaking thru you?

Sun, 06/29/2014 - 22:54 | 4908639 BringOnTheAsteroid
BringOnTheAsteroid's picture

Must be satan. That's the answer you are looking for isn't it?

Satan is as big a fantasy as the grey bearded invisible sky man.

Sun, 06/29/2014 - 23:27 | 4908713 Terminus C
Terminus C's picture

The irony is that if God created everything, He also created Satan... I know, I know, free will and all that but seriously, the Holy Trinity makes more sense with Satan as the third point instead of some random "holy spirit".

Circular arguments and willful cognitive dissonance are the foundations of religion.  Yet humanity eats it up like candy.

Sun, 06/29/2014 - 09:40 | 4906887 Agstacker
Agstacker's picture

Slave on you sheep.

Sun, 06/29/2014 - 09:56 | 4906902 Jerome Lester H...
Jerome Lester Horwitz's picture

Am I the only one that sees the humor in one who cannot use grammar correctly calling others retarded?

Sun, 06/29/2014 - 05:58 | 4906705 Magooo
Magooo's picture

Yes there is --- he is a man in the sky --- who tells you what to do and if you don't listen you burn in hell forever --- BUT - he LOVES YOU. 


He loves you --- and he needs MONEY. 


George Carlin - Religion is Bullshit

Sun, 06/29/2014 - 08:57 | 4906841 A Nanny Moose
A Nanny Moose's picture

Religion is a human contruct used to control humans. Dog can exist without religion.

Sun, 06/29/2014 - 22:55 | 4908643 BringOnTheAsteroid
BringOnTheAsteroid's picture

Why don't you just wrtite the word god or God or GOD.

Sun, 06/29/2014 - 15:00 | 4907539 Josey Montana
Josey Montana's picture

Your argument is not even childish - it's just a flat-out cartoon.

The haters would be less hated if they bothered to learn what Believers actually believe, rather than watching some snide unbeleiver rant about Believers as a starting point for their understanding.

Can we agree you don't know much beyond the most stereotypical buzzwords of faith?  If not there is really nothing to discuss with you.

Sun, 06/29/2014 - 22:59 | 4908652 BringOnTheAsteroid
BringOnTheAsteroid's picture

Does it really matter what, how, why you believe in an invisible grey bearded skyman. The concept was passed to you by your parents/society harking back centuries. You think it's a personal belief, something you would have arrived at had you been born on an island with no other human contact. Come on, grow up, you've been programmed from birth. The voice you hear inside your head is your own, not god. For fucks sake be honest and admit it.

Sun, 06/29/2014 - 08:43 | 4906825 Hayabusa
Hayabusa's picture

Yes there is such a thing as god, just like the easter bunny, santa claus and... well enuf said.  The irony?  People come here in an attempt to find the truth

and yet believe in a fictional diety called god and believe it's true... on faith alone.  Such conflict cannot be good for someone.

Sun, 06/29/2014 - 09:58 | 4906905 Jerome Lester H...
Jerome Lester Horwitz's picture

What is a diety?

Sun, 06/29/2014 - 11:01 | 4906988 eishund
eishund's picture

a deity on a diet.

Sun, 06/29/2014 - 14:56 | 4907528 Loose Caboose
Loose Caboose's picture

it's about time, Buddha.  That tummy is just asking for diabetes type 2.

Sun, 06/29/2014 - 08:59 | 4906845 hyperbole2000
hyperbole2000's picture

A one over infinty probability muliplied by infinity (the universe) eqails 1; therefore anything is possible.

At any moment in time there is an infinite number of possible outcomes. These infinite outcomes (forks in the road) occur every one over infinity time units. God does exist and doen't exist depending on which space-time contuinuim you are on.

Sun, 06/29/2014 - 09:41 | 4906889 samuraitrader
samuraitrader's picture

depends on the definition of the word "god" :-) if "god" is energy and consciousness, then we are all "god" and we and everything in our reality are connected as one.

Sun, 06/29/2014 - 23:05 | 4908665 BringOnTheAsteroid
BringOnTheAsteroid's picture

God is a grey bearded invisble skyman, we're not changing the definition 2000 years later because theists finally realise how fucking stupid the concept of a man like entity sitting on a throne in the clouds is.

No, no, no, no. God believers are stuck with their biblical version of the invisible grey bearded sky man ("in his image") and they will be reminded every day by atheists at just how fucking ridiculous the concept is and how gullible they have been to believe it and try and have others believe it.

Come on people, time to be adults and admit that this was one fucking dumb story to believe.

Sun, 06/29/2014 - 10:59 | 4906985 eishund
eishund's picture

"There is no such thing as god."

Isn't this like saying "the universe is consistent and complete"?

Sun, 06/29/2014 - 13:47 | 4907337 JimBowie1958
JimBowie1958's picture

Omegaman2211: There is no such thing as God.


Prove it numbnuts.

Sun, 06/29/2014 - 23:10 | 4908680 BringOnTheAsteroid
BringOnTheAsteroid's picture

Ascribing the existence of an infinitely powerful entity having always existed, without itself having ever been created is so self evidently stupid that it does not need proving. You can't grasp a universe existing without a creator, a universe that is infinitely less complex than your creator. Jesus H fucking Christ humans are fucking stupid. 

Sun, 06/29/2014 - 23:29 | 4908716 Terminus C
Terminus C's picture

It's turtles, all the way down.

Sun, 06/29/2014 - 19:01 | 4908082 LooseLee
LooseLee's picture

Is the 'idea' of 'God' a thing? I am certain it is because ALL ideas are 'things'...

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 07:48 | 4909054 Nexus789
Nexus789's picture

61 sensible people and 115 heads in the sand at time of this post. We are definitely in trouble with so many people believing in the imaginary sky god.

Sat, 06/28/2014 - 16:52 | 4905824 Blues Traveler
Blues Traveler's picture

"Those who will not be Governed by God will be Ruled by Tyrants”  William Penn

Sat, 06/28/2014 - 17:47 | 4905912 Dublinmick
Dublinmick's picture

The question before the human race is, whether the God of nature shall govern the world by his own laws, or whether priests and kings shall rule it by fictitious miracles? ~John Adams, letter to Thomas Jefferson, 20 June 1815


Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard.”

Democracy too is a religion.?It is the worship of jackals by jackasses.

Sat, 06/28/2014 - 18:14 | 4905965 Keyser
Keyser's picture

Even the sheeple are starting to ask why we have to live in a police state to supposedly protects us from terrorists, when the government orders the border patrol to stand down and leave the border wide open... 


Sat, 06/28/2014 - 18:46 | 4906015 macholatte
macholatte's picture


The repeal of Glass Steagall was the final straw that broke the back of the world economy. That was the single worst act that could have ever been done and we are now paying the price in spades.


As engineered by Robert Rubin who was Goldman CEO before Treasury Secretary.  Rubin was on Citi Banks payroll while at Treasurery and got $100M from Citi for destroying Glass-Steagall. Rubin Corzined America.


Look at the Mexican border. Do you see Americans in rebellion against the pathetic retches delivered to the US by Obama? No?  Then there ain't no revoution, armed or otherwise. The sheeple are caught in the headlights. Without leadership they continue to confuse themselves, brainwashed into submission.


The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society.

Edward Bernays 1928

Sat, 06/28/2014 - 21:08 | 4906066 J S Bach
J S Bach's picture

The systems of government are important... yes.   The time-tested results of each system can be argued ad infinitum.


But, remember what Rothschild said 200 years ago...

"Let me control a nation's money, and I care not who makes its laws".


What is paramount - and absolutely HAS to change for the world this time around - is the elimination of debt-based money.  In other words... USURY!!!!


The planet operating without this nefarious backbone would be unprecendented.  With the information age - there are no excuses for allowing yet another era to arise with this criminal and immoral structure as its foundation.

Sun, 06/29/2014 - 12:19 | 4907112 BigJim
BigJim's picture

 What is paramount - and absolutely HAS to change for the world this time around - is the elimination of debt-based money.  In other words... USURY!!!!

Usury just means charging interest. You can have non-debt-based money (say, gold/silver), and still have usury.

In fact, if you want a functioning (ie, free market) economy, usury is essential, as it encourages holders of capital to forego hoarding their money to lend it for more profitable uses (as well as compensating for risk).

Sun, 06/29/2014 - 12:58 | 4907202 J S Bach
J S Bach's picture

Of course, when I use the term "usury" I am speaking of money's issuance - not its lending.   There is absolutely no reason to have money lent into existence -- other than to empower useless bankers and their cabal.  This is the diabolical "usury" referred to.


And remember that most money that is "lent" in our fractional reserve system is created out of thin air, just like the Fed's initial printing.  It's something like 10-to-1 - the amount of money that a banking institution is allowed to lend (against 10% actual deposits).  This, too, is an evil form of usury.  If interest is gleaned against 100% deposits, that's a much more honest and manageable form of usury.


Also, if most interest paid upon debts went to serve public rather than private interests, all would benefit - not just the fortunate few who run the whole scheme.

Sat, 06/28/2014 - 20:15 | 4906161 Simplifiedfrisbee
Simplifiedfrisbee's picture

Macho latte, spread more of this info on zerohedge. I know it well and it liberates people intellectually from the deception of our government and corporate operations. Facebook, twitter, even the up and down votes on ZH are all based on the idea of organizing and manipulating habits o people. But that is the least of the current agenda.

Sat, 06/28/2014 - 21:57 | 4906319 Killer the Buzzard
Killer the Buzzard's picture

Don't be saucy with me, Bernays.

Sun, 06/29/2014 - 08:46 | 4906833 Hayabusa
Hayabusa's picture

At least some of you are aware of Sigmund's nephew Edward Bernays and his "contribution" to society and marketing in general.  Macholatte, has done his

homework and I respect that.

Sat, 06/28/2014 - 19:36 | 4906093 August
August's picture

>>>Even the sheeple are starting to ask why we have to live in a police state to supposedly protects us from terrorists, when the government orders the border patrol to stand down and leave the border wide open...

I don't live in the USA, but it seems to me that the above is indeed a key marker of the Empire's soon-to-be demise (or perhaps we could say "transition"). 

To paraphrase what a ZHer recently observed, if you just look around you, it's amazing what the culture will actually disclose about itself.  The current US border situation tells me that the country's leadership class simply does not give a shit about the wishes of its citizens;  this is, of course, nothing new, but now the elites don't even pretend to hide their opinion.  To date, neither the Congress, or any significant fraction of the people, have actually DONE anything.  Unless something radical is done, through either legal or extra-legal means, the American Culture is openly telling the world, and itself, "We are finished now... no one here gives a shit."

Sun, 06/29/2014 - 03:23 | 4906628 SF beatnik
SF beatnik's picture

August: fuckin' A right. You nailed it. Seems pretty fucking hopeless, now. Attitude among so many people I meet seems to be this: "Nothing we can do to fix it, so just party on."

Sun, 06/29/2014 - 16:09 | 4907707 NemoDeNovo
NemoDeNovo's picture

Party on Wayne....Party on Garth - WoooHoooo FORWARD Idiocracy Bitchez!!!



Long Zombies..........

Sun, 06/29/2014 - 08:58 | 4906843 A Nanny Moose
A Nanny Moose's picture

Divine Right of the Majority.

Sat, 06/28/2014 - 17:56 | 4905937 Miggy
Miggy's picture

Penn got it right.


John 3:16

Sat, 06/28/2014 - 21:01 | 4906238 SuperRay
SuperRay's picture

This guy is a disinformation troll. The biggest problem is not misinformation. It a fucking criminal organization called the CIA, who arranged the murders of JFK and RFK, and 9/11, and the bullshit DISinformation they put out.

Sat, 06/28/2014 - 22:34 | 4906382 snodgrass
snodgrass's picture

The CIA, NSA, etc. work for the American establishment, including the bankers, just like the Mossad and Shin Bet work for the Jewish bankers and MI5 and M16 work for the Windsors.

There are probably even more secret agencies working for all these groups that we don't know about plus all the private contractors who do contract kills for them.

Sat, 06/28/2014 - 22:36 | 4906387 moneybots
moneybots's picture

JFK was killed by Lee Oswald, for his own personal reason.

Sat, 06/28/2014 - 23:29 | 4906461 snodgrass
snodgrass's picture

You're either a moron or a liar.

Sun, 06/29/2014 - 01:12 | 4906558 Jerk_Store
Jerk_Store's picture

JFK was killed by Lee Oswald, for his own personal reason.

Tough crowd tonight...Some people don't get sarcasm

Sun, 06/29/2014 - 15:01 | 4907544 Loose Caboose
Loose Caboose's picture

"JFK was killed by Lee Oswald, for his own personal reason."

Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha...............ha.

*takes a breath*

ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha .............. I give up.

Sat, 06/28/2014 - 23:01 | 4906414 Omegaman2211
Omegaman2211's picture

It's not an either or proposition. Man can govern himself just fine without some made up fairy tale man in the sky.

Sun, 06/29/2014 - 00:39 | 4906523 StychoKiller
StychoKiller's picture

Current events prove you are incorrect, read "Lord of the Flies"

Sat, 06/28/2014 - 23:07 | 4906426 Omegaman2211
Omegaman2211's picture

No gods, no masters.

Sun, 06/29/2014 - 00:19 | 4906512 forexskin
forexskin's picture

no principles, no purpose


Sun, 06/29/2014 - 04:34 | 4906663 stacking12321
stacking12321's picture

Are you suggesting that someone who believes differently from you can't have principles or purpose?

Sorry to hear about your childhood brainwashing. You can overcome it if you try.

Do NOT follow this link or you will be banned from the site!