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4 Ways that Mass Surveillance Destroys the Economy

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Prosperity Requires Privacy

Privacy is a prerequisite for a prosperous economy.    Even the White House admits:

People must have confidence that data will travel to its destination without disruption. Assuring the free flow of information, the security and privacy of data, and the integrity of the interconnected networks themselves are all essential to American and global economic prosperity, security, and the promotion of universal rights.

Here are four ways mass surveillance hurts our economy ...

1. Creativity – A Prime Driver of Prosperity – Requires Privacy

The Information and Privacy Commissioner of Ontario, Canada – Ann Cavoukian, Ph.D. – noted last month:

Privacy is Essential to … Prosperity and Well-Being

 

Innovation, creativity and the resultant prosperity of a society requires freedom;

 

Privacy is the essence of freedom: Without privacy, individual human rights, property rights and civil liberties – the conceptual engines of innovation and creativity, could not exist in a meaningful manner;

 

Surveillance is the antithesis of privacy: A negative consequence of surveillance is the usurpation of a person’s limited cognitive bandwidth, away from innovation and creativity.

The Financial Post reported in February: “Big Brother culture will have adverse effect on creativity, productivity“.

Christopher Lingle – visiting professor of economics at ESEADE, Universidad Francisco Marroquín – agrees that creativity is a key to economic prosperity.

Edward Snowden said last year:

The success of economies in developed nations relies increasingly on their creative output, and if that success is to continue we must remember that creativity is the product of curiosity, which in turn is the product of privacy.

Silicon Valley is currently one of the largest drivers of the U.S. economy.  Do you think Bill Gates and Steve Jobs could have tinkered so creatively in their garages if the government had been watching everything they do?

Everyone who has every done anything creative knows that you need a little privacy to try different things before you’re ready to go public with it.  If your bench model, rough sketch or initial melody is being dissected in real time by an intrusive audience … you’re not going to be very creative.

2. The Free Flow of Information Requires Privacy

Moreover, surveillance hampers the free flow of information as many people begin to watch what they say.  The free flow of information is a core requisite for a fast-moving economy … especially an information economy, as opposed to economies focused on resource-extraction or manufacturing.

As quoted above, the White House states:

Assuring the free flow of information [is] essential to American and global economic prosperity, security, and the promotion of universal rights.

Mass surveillance makes people more reluctant to share information … and thus hurts the economy.

3. Mass Surveillance Hurts Productivity

Top computer and internet experts say that NSA spying breaks the functionality of our computers and of the Internet. It reduces functionality and reduces security by – for example – creating backdoors that malicious hackers can get through.

Remember, American and British spy agencies have intentionally weakened security for many decades. And it’s getting worse and worse. For example, they plan to use automated programs to infect millions of computers.

How much time and productivity have we lost in battling viruses let in because of the spies tinkering? How much have we lost because “their” computer programs conflict with “our” programs?

Microsoft’s general counsel labels government snooping an “advanced persistent threat,” a term generally used to describe teams of hackers that coordinate cyberattacks for foreign governments. It is well-known among IT and security professionals that hacking decreases employee productivity. While they’re usually referring to hacking by private parties, the same is likely true for hacking by government agencies, as well.

And the spy agencies are already collecting millions of webcam images from our computers. THAT’S got to tie up our system resources … so we can’t get our work done as fast.

Moreover, the Snowden documents show that the American and British spy agencies launched attacks to disrupt the computer networks of “hacktivists” and others they don’t like, and tracked supporters of groups such as Wikileaks.

Given that the spy agencies are spying on everyone, capturing millions of screenshots, intercepting laptop shipments, creating fake versions of popular websites to inject malware on people’s computers, launching offensive cyber-warfare operations against folks they don’t like, and that they may view journalism, government criticism or even thinking for one’s self as terrorism – and tend to re-label “dissidents” as “terrorists” – it’s not unreasonable to assume that all of us are being adversely effected to one degree or another by spy agency operations.

Bill Binney – the high-level NSA executive who created the agency’s mass surveillance program for digital information, a 32-year NSA veteran widely regarded as a “legend” within the agency, the senior technical director within the agency, who managed thousands of NSA employees – tells Washington’s Blog:

The other costs involve weakening systems (operating systems/firewalls/encryption). When they do that, this weakens the systems for all to find. Hackers around the world as well as governments too.

 

These costs are hard to count. For example, we hear of hackers getting customer data over and over again. Is that because of what our government has done?

 

Or, how about all the attacks on systems in government? Are these because of weakened systems?

4. Trust and the Rule of Law – Two Main determinants of Prosperity – Undermined By Surveillance

Trust is KEY for a prosperous economy. It’s hard to trust when your government, your internet service provider and your favorite websites are all spying on you.

The destruction of privacy by the NSA directly harms internet companies, Silicon Valley, California … and the entire U.S. economy (Facebook lost 11 millions users as of April mainly due to privacy concerns … and that was before the Snowden revelations).  If people don’t trust the companies to keep their data private, they’ll use foreign companies.

American tech companies - including Verizon, Cisco, IBM and others - are getting hammered for their cooperating with the NSA and lack of privacy protection. The costs to the U.S. economy have been estimated to be in the hundreds of billions of dollars. And see this and this.

And destruction of trust in government and other institutions is destroying our economy.

A top cyber security consultant notes:

If privacy is not protected while performing mass surveillance for national security purposes, then the people’s level of trust in the government decreases.

And as we noted in 2002:

Personal freedom and liberty – and freedom from the arbitrary exercise of government power – are strongly correlated with a healthy economy, but America is descending into tyranny.

 

Authoritarian actions by the government interfere with the free market, and thus harm prosperity.

 

U.S. News and World Report notes:

The Fraser Institute’s latest Economic Freedom of the World Annual Report is out, and the news is not good for the United States. Ranked among the five freest countries in the world from 1975 through 2002, the United States has since dropped to 18th place.

The Cato institute notes:

The United States has plummeted to 18th place in the ranked list, trailing such countries as Estonia, Taiwan, and Qatar.

 

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Actually, the decline began under President George W. Bush. For 20 years the U.S. had consistently ranked as one of the world’s three freest economies, along with Hong Kong and Singapore. By the end of the Bush presidency, we were barely in the top ten.

 

And, as with so many disastrous legacies of the Bush era, Barack Obama took a bad thing and made it worse.

But the American government has shredded the constitution, by … spying on all Americans, and otherwise attacking our freedoms.

 

Indeed, rights won in 1215 – in the Magna Carta – are being repealed.

 

Economic historian Niall Ferguson notes, draconian national security laws are one of the main things undermining the rule of law:

We must pose the familiar question about how far our civil liberties have been eroded by the national security state – a process that in fact dates back almost a hundred years to the outbreak of the First World War and the passage of the 1914 Defence of the Realm Act. Recent debates about the protracted detention of terrorist suspects are in no way new. Somehow it’s always a choice between habeas corpus and hundreds of corpses.

Of course, many of this decades’ national security measures have not been taken to keep us safe in the “post-9/11 world” … indeed, many of them [including spying on Americans] started before 9/11.

 

And America has been in a continuous declared state of national emergency since 9/11, and we are in a literally never-ending state of perpetual war. See this, this, this and this.

 

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So lawlessness infringement of our liberty is destroying our prosperity.

Put another way, lack of privacy kills the ability to creatively criticize bad government policy … and to demand enforcement of the rule of law. Indeed, 5,000 years of history shows that mass surveillance is always carried out to crush dissent.  In other words, mass surveillance is the opposite of the principle of the rule of law (in distinction to the  rule of men) upon which America was founded.

Free speech and checks and balances on the power of government officials are two of the main elements of justice in any society. And a strong rule of law is – in turn – the main determinant of GDP growth.

 

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Tue, 07/01/2014 - 12:00 | 4914031 armageddon addahere
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The biggest damper on creativity and innovation is from people living in fear of things that don't exist. I can't count the number of times people I know have backed off from doing something when there was no way in the world they could get in trouble - but they thought there was.

It used to be that criminals lived in fear of the law. Now the criminals are free and the honest citizen lives in fear of the law and the criminals.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 22:25 | 4912547 Jstanley011
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Oh hell yeah. The Executive Branch dinks since Reagan, at least, have already proven that they'll run drugs, and sell arms, and who-knows-what-else to sidestep Congress and fund their extracurricular activities So why not turn NSA info into cash via corporate espionage? Sounds a helluva lot safer and harder to catch to me.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 15:50 | 4911002 smithmorra
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FEAR!!!  HOW MANY UNTIMELY DEATHS HAVE OCCURED AS A RESULT OF THE JACK-BOOTED THUGS AND THEIR TOTALITARIAN SCHEMES?

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 14:04 | 4910395 kchrisc
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It is really quite easy to understand state surveillance:

"Non-criminal states do not surveil."

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 13:34 | 4910261 assistedliving
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until they get caught front running the front runners nothing will change.  surprised its taken this long actually...or just paid off and hushed up

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 08:34 | 4909141 messymerry
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Those that mortgage their freedom for the promise of security shall have neither. 

There has been a lot of railing in this thread about govt. spying on us.  That aspect is well covered.  Let me redirect and bang on Big Biz for a moment. 

I have a lot of ideas that I would like to research, but I am afriad that they will be stolen by companies that monitor data flows on the Internet.  I'M TALKING ABOUT YOU GOOGLE!!!  The googlistas monitor practically everything, and with their acquisition of YouTube have their noses in even deeper.  If you put out a novel idea on the internet, you can rest assiures that other eyes are considering whether it is worth stealing. 

The Triad, Big Gov, Big Biz, Big Media is going to eat us all...

 

 

Tue, 07/01/2014 - 11:54 | 4914002 armageddon addahere
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"If you put out a novel idea on the internet, you can rest assiures that other eyes are considering whether it is worth stealing. "

It is surprising how stuff gets around. The meme about "spending money you haven't got to buy things you don't need" has been around for a long time. A couple of years ago I added "to impress people you don't like" in a comment on this board, and now it seems to be everywhere.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 10:06 | 4909371 shovelhead
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If you put a novel idea on the internet, ANYONE can steal it.

Go to Ronco first.

"Set it and forget it."

I sent them my "Nailgun suicide prevention lockout button" idea...

Still waiting to hear if they'll market it.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 07:41 | 4909047 NOZZLE
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Gates and Jobs both knew what was going on with the NSA and willlingly 

went along with it.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 06:45 | 4908974 AdvancingTime
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One of my biggest concerns about the NSA spying on Americans centered on how much was being spent, because if we are spending a lot of money on this consider it a big red flag. It recently came out thanks to information leaked by  Edward Snowden that the "black budget" last year was a massive 52 billion dollars.

This is the money used in "secret" spy operations, and it is enough to send shivers down the back of those that have read about the totalitarian society of Oceania described in George Orwell's novel Nineteen Eighty-Four. In Orwell's novel, all citizens of Oceania are monitored by cameras and are fed fabricated news stories by the government. More on this subject in the article below.

http://brucewilds.blogspot.com/2013/09/are-we-creating-orwellian-society...

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 06:40 | 4908972 overmedicatedun...
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strangers crossing int borders are fine, however that grand parent in scranton pa - we gotta know all about them, papers please...and americans sit back and take it- "fly the friendly sky's" have not seen that one in a long time, look in the mirror for who this .gov mafia considers the biggest threat to our government in dc.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 06:25 | 4908964 Grouchy Marx
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Really good article, George. I would add that mass surveillance has crippled (already) the flow of truthful, accurate information and decisions.

For example, it appears that Judge Roberts' allowance of the ACA was due to information that the administration must have had (perhaps thru the NSA) to twist his arm. That judgment ran completely opposite to everything else the man had written.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 22:23 | 4912572 Jstanley011
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That's what I've been saying since the day the decision came out, "What did they have on the dude?"

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 10:26 | 4909429 optimator
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Everything NSA acquires goes to ______.   Fill in the blank and every dot connects.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 06:11 | 4908957 NuYawkFrankie
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re ..Mass Surveillance Destroys the Economy

Wrong way around George -

It is precisely because THEY have already destroyed/looted the economy that THEY have instituted Mass Surveillnace to counteract/nip-in-the-bud any blow-back.

Or so THEY think.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 06:31 | 4908965 Reptil
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Or..... it's their PURPOSE to destroy the economy... slowly. With the purpose of being the "last man standing" at the end.
I do not believe in that it's "incompetence".
Too fast, and it slides out of their control and into chaos. And then? Meaningless violence, and lots of it.
You can bet they also made provisions. Only the middle men, the "enablers" will take the heat.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 06:22 | 4908963 doctor10
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Civilization is the progress toward a society of privacy. The savage's whole existence is public, ruled by the laws of his tribe. Civilization is the process of setting man free from men.

Ayn Rand

 

The implementation of "Homeland Security" has  to do with the consequences of the loss of cheap energy supplies, federal corporatism, and banker gluttony, resulting  DC/New York becoming fearful of an armed American populace . "Al Queda" was a needed excuse.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 05:41 | 4908924 Radical Marijuana
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I suggest flipping the implications in the title of this article around. Suppose that there are people who WANT to destroy the economy? Would they not work at developing every possible way that they could do things which would contribute to the destruction of the economy?

Here is a link to a flashback to a 2012 presentation reviewing the basic list of depletions, debts, and disasters which are actually on the menu for the foreseeable future (unless there was some series of technological and political miracles.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPgohNERJBI

Richard Heinberg on The End of Growth. Of course, that presentation also operates within the tacit presumptions that the real world is somehow NOT actually being controlled by the people who historically were the best at being dishonest and backing that up with violence. (Otherwise well-informed people keep on wanting to presume that the real world is NOT actually controlled by the principles and methods of organized crime, by those who come from backgrounds where they specialized in doing that.)

 

I find that to be ubiquitously common in every area that I have examined. For instance, in the "war on drugs" there are wide-spread presumptions that somehow that war has been a "failure." In my view, that is nonsense, which flatly contradicts the actual facts, IF only one will look at them. I think that is relevant with respect to the weapons of mass surveillance, because the purported main rationalization for developing and deploying those weapons were supposed to be their need inside the context of the "war on terror."

I believe that there was never a time when those at the top of the social pyramid systems, who were making those wars get going, did not understand that they were based on massive deceits. After all, the people who actually did the events on 9/11/2001, as an inside job, false flag attack, always knew that the resulting "war on terror" was based on deceits. Furthermore, all of the people that participated in one way or another in the cover-up were at least willfully blind, and therefore, somewhat sharing in the treasonous behaviour which was the foundation of the "war on terror."

Anyway, that is the overall context in which I regard an article like this one by George Washington. Of course, I agree with everything it says. However, I must question what it does not say, which is to speculate about whether all the bad things that the "war on terror," and its weapons of mass surveillance, actually cause were what was DELIBERATELY DESIGNED AND INTENDED TO BE THE ACTUAL CONSEQUENCES.

I repeat my basic view that the American economy is being deliberately destroyed, and every possible means to do so is being developed and deployed. In my view the ruling classes are well-aware of the objective limits to growth. However, their sets of preferred "solutions" are pretty well diametrically opposite to the list of idealized possible alternatives that one can find in all of the popular authorities who publicly discuss these problems.

I assert that the real world is controlled by oligarchical organized crime gangs, whose current degree of criminal insanities can barely be comprehended. Of course, they could and would do things like assert that hemp, which is the single best plant on the planet for people, for food, fiber, fun and medicine, was "marijuana that is almost as bad as murder." While it may well be true at the lower levels that the people promoting and enforcing those legalized lies with legalized violence ended up believing in that bullshit, it is not credible to me that those at the higher levels of the social pyramids who were pulling the strings to make that happen were not aware that they were promoting huge lies, in order to get perpetual wars based on those kinds of deceit going, from which they could profit in every evil way possible.

I believe that the same process is happening through the "war on terror," which was started as a vicious self-fulfilling prophesy, with symbolic, inside job, false flag attacks, that would then drive vicious spirals of precisely those phenomena that they were supposed to be preventing, just like what the "war on (some) drugs" also actually did.

Obviously, I am only skimming across some of the highlights of this overall situation in my comment. There are plenty more examples, everywhere one looks throughout history. However, criminalizing the cultivation of cannabis was the single simplest symbol, while the events on 9/11/2001 were the most spectacular symbol.

A common theme that I find in the series of articles by George Washington is that I tend to to agree with everything that they state, which is fairly easy to do, and hard not to, since they back up their assertions with good links to sources. HOWEVER, in the background I am usually shaking my head, and thinking, OF COURSE, all those bad consequences are being deliberately designed and intended, because the real world is actually controlled by the methods of organized crime, while those who developed through both biological and cultural history to be the people who do those kinds of things are criminally insane, from the perspective of anyone outside of their world of triumphant lies, backed by violence. However, from within their world view, their ability to run the enforced frauds of debt slavery systems, backed up by the creation of a series of wars based on deceits, is exactly what they plan upon and execute. Of course, as their debt slavery systems generate numbers which have become debt insanities, at an exponential rate, their response is to constantly double down, not back off.

Now that the world is reaching real turning points of diminishing returns from being able to continue to strip-mine the planet's natural resources, the currently dominant rulings classes, that got to be who they are by being the best at dishonesty and violence, and applying the methods of organized crime, are NOT planning upon better solutions to those problems such as those which can be found in the work of all the "nice" people who expounded upon those problems, about what creative alternatives we should adopt. Instead, the ruling classes are working on their preferred solutions, which are to continue to deliberately destroy the economy, until things will get so bad that they will be able to impose democidal martial law.

I REPEAT: the weapons of mass surveillance are NOT inadvertently destroying the economy, they are deliberately destroying the economy. The more that one faces the basic fact that the "war on terror" was originally started by an inside job, false flag attack, to become the foundation for a vicious spiral of more lies, and more wars based upon those deceits, then the more that fits perfectly into that pattern that the development and deployment of weapons of mass surveillance would have all the effects listed in this article, which are destroying the foundation of a good economy, ON PURPOSE!

Moreover, IF one seriously considers the REAL LIMITS TO GROWTH, then there will have to be radical solutions, and those will necessarily mean different death controls. Most of those who review those problems, then promote the sets of solutions that sound nicest, which will have the most approval from the audiences for those kinds of presentations. However, I find that those who tend to promote those creative alternatives tend to deliberately ignore that any system of alternatives has to have their central keystone be their death controls.

Meanwhile the criminally insane people, who are mind-bogglingly evil, compared to the vast majority of other people, who have not been biologically and culturally specializing in developing the methods of organized crime to dominate civilization for thousands of years, ARE working on their sets of solutions to those problems, which may involve mass murdering the majority of the human population. Those are the kinds of people who were behind getting the "war on terror" going, and using that excuse to develop and deploy weapons of mass surveillance, which will tend to destroy the economy, NOT AS A MISTAKE, BUT AS AN ASPECT OF THEIR OVERALL PLANS.

Tragically, so far I see almost no sign that enough people are able and willing to understand what I have outlined above. After all, understanding what I have outlined above takes TWO RADICAL PARADIGM SHIFTS. The first is to comprehend how the actual death controls were done through the maximum possible deceits. The second is to comprehend that there still must be some death controls. I would say that only a tiny minority of the people have taken enough of that first step, while an even tinier minority of that tiny minority have started to consider taking that the second step.

In my view, after one takes both steps, then one recognizes that not only is the real world being controlled by organized crime, but that also the only genuinely better resolutions to the real problems will require better organized crime. That is to say, one must not only recognize that the weapons of mass surveillance are destroying the economy as it was, but also then be willing to consider how such technologies could be retooled to rebuild a new economy, if enough people could agree enough upon those purposes, after they understood the real problems, which includes understanding that the basic system always was debt slavery, backed by wars based on deceits, because, in the past, those were the most expedient set of solutions for some chronic political problems, which had to be resolved somehow.

The ruling classes that have been promoting those established systems of debt slavery, backed by wars based on deceits, AND they are aware that their debt slavery systems have generated unsustainable debt insanity numbers. They are upping their game, to carry through their overall agenda. So far, they are getting away with that for the same TWO PRIMARY REASONS that I mentioned above, which are that not enough people are able and willing to understand how the real death controls are actually being deliberately done through the maximum possible deceits, while even far less people are able and willing to consider how better death controls systems might be possible to develop instead.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 22:29 | 4912591 theelitistagenda
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Nice answer. But I think the surveillance is really just about the fear of the end game. As people realize the top has stolen the wealth of America, subjugated millions of people, and caused the decline of their standard of living, the people are going to try and up-rise. This is historical. Nothing I'm advocating. But just a fact of massive inequality. Standards of living are in decline; we have the largest prison population on the planet; we're losing freedoms; and the laws are becoming more draconian. It's not a methodology but a preemptive attempt to control the likely result.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 23:05 | 4912689 Radical Marijuana
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Yes, I agree, theelitistagenda!

Foreign and domestic policies are mirrors, that reflect back through each other. Thus, the policy of "preemptive war" meets the policy of "preemptive martial law." I believe that the events on 9/11/2001 were quite deliberately designed to establish those polices of preemptive war and martial law.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preemptive_war

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 06:32 | 4908966 Reptil
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Nailed it.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 01:22 | 4908821 Alananda
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I think usury, the Federal [sic] Reserve System, and the galactic cluster of human leaches that pervade the planet currently have a lot more to do with economic destruction today than does mass surveillance per se.  The synergism between the two systems, though, is, in a word, awesome.  Hope for the best, plan for the worst. 

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 01:10 | 4908805 kareninca
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It doesn't just destroy the economy, it destroys the health of people.  How many people are going to be eager to go to a doctor, knowing that everything that they tell the doctor, will be instantly accessible to government toads?  Along with the usual corporate toads.  It will all be digitized, and entirely hackable.  In the old days, you would not tell a doctor everything, because you wouldn't want your insurance rates to go up.  Now you won't, because you don't want some creeps reading about the details of your personal life.  And no, spying toads, we are not talking about social diseases and drug addiction and the ilk  -  there are actually some human beings who like to have privacy in re ALL of their personal medical lives, even if it is boring stuff.

Here is a specific example.  If you go in for an OB/GYN appointment, one of the standard questions on the forms is whether you have ever had an abortion.  Now, I have never had one; I think they are murder, and besides I have the brains to know how to use contraception.  But for women who have had one (about 40 percent of U.S. women), it matters to their health care whether they answer the question correctly.  Are they going to now?  Do you think?  Once they realize that they might as well be posting the fact on their Facefuck page?

Fuck you NSA, for ruining my next doctor appointment.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 01:40 | 4908830 Harbanger
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I sympathize with you but your anger is misdirected, it has nothingto do with the NSA.  Obamacare mandates a centralized collection of personal and medical data on every person
in the US through electronic medical records. One of the many reason so many people were opposed to it.  So you should be saying fuck you to Obama, Pelosi and and all the idiots that supported or voted for it.

The End Of The Doctor Patient Relationship

http://drdansfreedomforum.com/doctor-patient/

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 02:05 | 4908848 Harbanger
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Haha.  Some people can't handle the truth.  You can't have universal anything until you have universal record keeping and distribution of services.  Everyones medical records are now centralized because it's the law, as per obamacare.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 02:33 | 4908868 kareninca
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I will try to make this simple. We have Obamacare because the NSA wanted Obamacare.  The NSA wanted everyone's medical records to be centralized.  Obamacare is the means to that end.  Do you now get it?

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 02:50 | 4908880 Harbanger
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The NSA wanted Obamacare?  Not the Democrats?  Are the Democrats NSA? It does make sense that the  NSA would support statists, on both sides of the isle.  I think you're going somewhere with this.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 04:25 | 4908917 OpenThePodBayDoorHAL
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NSA is just as Democratic as it is Republican. Feinstein and Pelosi protect the surveillance-industrial complex in their backyards. Google, Yahoo, Apple, all feeding at the trough, let alone HP, IBM etc etc.

 

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 06:45 | 4908973 disabledvet
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"Looting assets." This article fails to define PROPERTY. If this information of "me" has value then IT IS MINE.

Where is my check from the Government for the taking of the "actual me"?

It's one thing if you're doin this the entire human race...but if you're doing this to Americans you'd better start paying them.

We do have Hollywood after all....

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 03:03 | 4908893 kareninca
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Yes, I am. Thank you for using your brain, albeit slowly.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 03:07 | 4908896 Harbanger
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I appreciate your patience.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 03:23 | 4908906 Tall Tom
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The Republicans wanted Obamacare also.

 

The House of Representatives voted to FUND IT last October. The support was by both parties. Financial support is support.

 

Yes the NSA, as Obamacare, is supported by both the Democrats and Republicans. It is time that you LOSE THE RED TEAM/BLUE TEAM MYTH as there is NO FUCKING DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE PARTIES.

 

/sarcasm as I know that you know this.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 02:00 | 4908843 kareninca
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No, it's not misdirected.  Of course I know that about Obamacare.  "Fuck you NSA" is shorthand.  Do you really think that the NSA and Obamacare, aren't of a piece???

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 02:43 | 4908873 Harbanger
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Karen, the NSA doesn't care about you medical records, the new healthcare system does.  Before obamacare your doctor didn't have to give your records to anyone,  he could have a kept paper files in his office if he wanted.  Now that's changed, he has to by law and your records are public records.  Nothing to do with NSA snooping.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 10:55 | 4909516 Miffed Microbio...
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Actually harbanger you are a bit off.

Yesterday I reported to the government 6 people who had hepC. One person with TB and one person with giardia. This is not by choice but by law. All the patient's demographics are included including race if known. The doctors must report as well. Every year the requirements for reporting increases. This is under the guise of " public health" even when diseases that have a low public risk such as hep C ( rarely transmitted sexually or normal contact unlike hep B). If I isolate a Select Agent, I must report as well and tract the organism to its incineration.

I think most here would be shocked how much reporting had been done prior to obamacare. Obamacare just has massively increased it.

Miffed;-)

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 06:35 | 4908969 doctor10
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The centralized state sure as hell does care about your medical records. Every totalitarian requires leverage on a potential opponent.  Its how control freaks=psychopaths/sociopaths rule.

Leverage is derived from knowledge of others bank accounts, medical records, employment records, court records, school records,driving records at the fingertips -to be drawn up without effort -to assure control and compliance of those placed in employment at critical "hinge" points of their system.  Any "Constitutional qualms" harbored by a Federal/State/Local politico or even an insufficiently "enthusiastic" bureaucratic lackey  can be easily overcome by presenting them with the raw data documenting personal/moral/ethical/professional/financial lapses.

This is nature of what naive Americans are slowly coming to grips with.Might want to google rumored pressure brought upon a certain supreme court justice concerning the  ObamaCare ruling  to get some more insight.

Its the form of tyranny many Americans thought they left behind in Europe by coming to America in the 1700/1800's.

Sun, 06/29/2014 - 21:42 | 4908472 WMM II
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keep up the good fight george.

 

 

 

:)

Sun, 06/29/2014 - 21:39 | 4908462 Reaper
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The essence of creativity is to do what others do not do. The purpose of surveillance is to insure that everyone thinks alike to preserve the status quo of government control. What Edison invented, destroyed the whale oil market.

I want to live without them telling me what to think or do. I can create something new, because I do not think as they do. I am the enemy of their control, because I think outside their box. They fear me for negating their control.

I think differently. To govern is to control. They fear the unknown, which they know not how to control.

Sun, 06/29/2014 - 20:41 | 4908353 NickVegas
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I have taken a strange road to come to this conclusion, but it is all by design. The powers that be, that control the NSA, governments, military, have decided that the American experiment is to come to an end. If my thesis is correct, that would make Snowden a limited hangout, performing his designed role. The wealth stripping is almost complete, debt slaves abound, and they need to pluck the final goose, the American technical industry.

Sun, 06/29/2014 - 19:51 | 4908219 scrappy
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Data Rights is a Human Right in this unfolding age.

GW, How are you doing?

Off topic but important.

Anyway, just wondering if you have a list to work off and if so to please consider adding the TPP (Pacific) and especially the very unpublisized Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership” (TTIP) which according to Wolf is nothing short of the control and ownership of virtually every economic sector and public service in both Europe and the U.S. – with the exception, at the insistence of the U.S. government, of the financial services industry. Unbeknownst to almost all Europeans, the European Commission has shown a keen interest in opening up all public services to foreign corporate ownership, from health care to education, pensions to water provision.

http://www.testosteronepit.com/home/2014/6/21/the-global-corporatocracy-...

Kinda need some GW "Exposure"

Thanks Bud!

 

 

Sun, 06/29/2014 - 19:25 | 4908143 blindman
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like most everything privacy has been
financial i zed ..... you want it?
pay for it.

Sun, 06/29/2014 - 19:15 | 4908114 blindman
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The issue which has swept down the centuries and which will have to be fought sooner or later is the people versus the banks.

Lord Acton

Sun, 06/29/2014 - 20:18 | 4908295 Anusocracy
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That's nice, but the problem is government.

Lots of groups have had their hands on its levers.

Sun, 06/29/2014 - 20:27 | 4908318 blindman
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the banksters own the government, all of it,
as they own your very own pocket, member and
place of choice to put it.

Sun, 06/29/2014 - 19:13 | 4908111 stant
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Trust of us tech biz has been ruined by the NSA. Take a long time to get that back. Can't unring a bell

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 00:08 | 4908764 Freddie
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But I thought everyone wanted airliners like the Boeing 777 that can just disappear or maybe be flown by a drone handlander to a remote island. 

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 00:08 | 4908763 Freddie
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But I thought everyone wanted airliners like the Boeing 777 that can just disappear or maybe be flown by a drone handlander to a remote island. 

Sun, 06/29/2014 - 19:12 | 4908109 NoPension
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So we mass surveillance. And the "reason" we sheep are given, is that it is for our safety and security.
And the same entity that perpetrates the spying, leaves the front door wide open, and gives us the finger.

Sun, 06/29/2014 - 19:06 | 4908090 Duc888
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Those that do the Surveillance

Those that are "surveilled".

Which side are you on?

How's them odds hoss.

Are you a 'tourist"?

LOL

 

Those that want to Lord over you.  Those that just want to live and let live.

 

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 11:04 | 4909543 PT
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You'll never know why you didn't get the job.  You'll just know that you were qualified but didn't get it.  Perhaps the other guy was better than you.  Or perhaps TPTB decided that you didn't hold enough debt, and wanted to see you squirm.

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