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Et Voila: World War Three

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Authored by Howard J. Kunstler of,

Whoever really runs things these days for the semi-mummified royal administration down in Saudi Arabia must be leaving skid-marks in his small-clothes thinking about Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi and his ISIS army of psychopathic killers sweeping hither and thither through what is again being quaintly called “the Levant.” ISIS just concluded an orgy of crucifixions up in Syria over the weekend, the victims being other Islamic militants who were not radical enough, or who had dallied with US support.

Crucifixion sends an interesting and complex message to various parties around this systemically fracturing globe. It’s a step back from the disabling horror of video beheadings, but it still packs a punch. For the Christian West, it re-awakens a certain central cultural narrative that had gone somnolent there for a century or so. ISIS’s message: If you thought the Romans were bad…. Among the human race, you see, the memories linger.

ISIS has successfully shocked the world over the last two weeks by negating eight years, several trillion dollars, and 4,500 battle deaths in the USA’s endeavor to turn Iraq into an obedient oil dispensary. Now they have gone and announced that their conquests of the moment amount to a Caliphate, that is, an Islamic theocracy. In that sense, they are at least out-doing America’s Republican Party, which has been trying to do something similar here from sea to shining sea but finds itself thwarted by hostile blue states on both coasts.

More to the point, the press (another quaint term, I suppose) is not paying any attention whatsoever to what goes down with ISIS and the other states besides Iraq and Syria in the region. I aver to Saudi Arabia especially because Americans seem to regard it as an impregnable bastion against the bloodthirsty craziness spreading over the rest of the Muslim world. Saudi Arabia is, of course, the keystone of OPEC. Saudi Arabia has had the distinction of remaining stable through all the escalating tumult of recent decades, reliably pumping out its roughly 10 million barrels a day like Bossy the cow in America’s oil import barn.

Or seeming to remain stable, I should say, because the Saud family royal administration of mummified rulers and senile princes looks more and more like a Potemkin monarchy every month. 90-year-old King Abdullah has been rumored to be on life support lo these last two years, his successor brothers already dead and gone, and other powerful Arabian clans with leaders who can walk across a room and speak itching to kick this zombie Saud family off the throne. To make matters worse, the Sauds have also managed to sponsor much of the organized Sunni terrorism in the region (around the world, really) in their role as the chief enemy of the Shia ­— as represented by the politicized clergy of Iran.

Things are happening at lightning speed over in the region and beware of how the turmoil spreads from one flashpoint to another. This would be an opportunity for ISIS to put the Saud family on the spot regarding the just-announced Caliphate — as in the question: who really calls the shots for this new theocratic kingdom? (Answer: maybe not you, doddering, mummified, America suck-up Saudi Arabia). What’s more, what happens to the other kingdoms and rickety states in that corner of the world? For instance, Lebanon, which has been a sort of political demolition derby for three decades. The founder of the group al Qaeda in Iraq (AQI), pre-cursor to ISIS, was the Lebanese Abu Mus‘ab al-Zarqawi — blown up in a USA air strike some years ago. Lebanon has been under the sway of Hezbollah for a decade and Hezbollah is sponsored by Shi’ite Iran, making it an enemy of ISIS. Might ISIS roll westward over Hezbollah now to capture the pearl of the Mediterranean (or what’s left of it) Beirut? I wouldn’t be surprised.

Then there’s Jordan, and it’s youngish King Abdullah, another notorious USA ass-kisser. Those crucifixion photos coming out of Syria must be making him a little loose in the bowels. And, of course, Syria, where this whole thing started, is a smoldering rump-roast of a state. And finally, that bugbear in the bull’s-eye of the old Levant: Israel.

It is miraculous that Israel has managed so far to stay out of the way of this juggernaut. Of course, among its chief enemies are Hezbollah and Hezbollah’s foster father, Iran, which happen to be the enemy of ISIS and, of course, in that part of the world the enemy of my enemy is my ally — though, I’m sorry, it’s rather impossible to imagine Israel getting all chummy with the psychopaths of ISIS. One thing is a fact: all other things being equal, Israel has the capability of turning any other state or kingdom in region into an ashtray, if push came to shove. Voila: World War Three.


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Mon, 06/30/2014 - 18:33 | 4911715 ThankYouSatan
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Mon, 06/30/2014 - 18:49 | 4911781 knukles
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I got an idea.
Why not just send all the immigrants to Detroit?


Mon, 06/30/2014 - 19:00 | 4911810 chumbawamba
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The fuck it is.  They cozied up with every despotic Arab regime when it was convenient to do so throughout its history, including the shitty Saudis, the Egyptians under Sadat and Mubbarak, and the ever mythical "Al Qaeda".  They also helped Hamas get rolling.  Not only is Israel a piece of shit as a political state but it's laughably hypocritical.  And fuck them and their "Samson Option".

Kunstler is a douche on this one.  And he used "aver" wrong.

I am Chumbawamba.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 19:21 | 4911930 john39
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I would up vote your comment, but can't... probably the font...  ISIS is israel's baby... and the fact that Israel set up field hospitals for injured "insurgents" and bombed Syria repeatedly should be proof enough for anyone paying attention.

yeah, for the women and childred...  right.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 19:35 | 4911992 Thought Processor
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As a friend of mine said recently:  "This is what happens when you pull out, maybe it's time we just stopped fucking other people."

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 20:05 | 4912091 teslaberry
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problem is we should be jizzing inside them, not pulling out. 

fucking is good for you health.

Tue, 07/01/2014 - 00:23 | 4912858 COSMOS
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You know ISIS may be threatening the USA but this can be all smoke and mirrors.  Lets face it if ISIS said they were pro USA then USA would look really bad in the eyes of the world.  However the majority of ISIS actions fit nicely the American agenda.

Tue, 07/01/2014 - 00:28 | 4912866 markmotive
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Beheadings, Crucifixions, Amputations = The New Iraq

Tue, 07/01/2014 - 01:00 | 4912909 Fish Gone Bad
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the enemy of my enemy is my ally

actually, it should be: the enemy of my enemy is probably my enemy as well...

Tue, 07/01/2014 - 02:09 | 4912979 forexskin
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and kunstler assumes this miracle of isreal's apparent non involvment is believably real. this is JHK carrying their water while trying make it all look like some blamable fucked up political accident. read "a clean break" and tell me this doesn't have their game theory all over it...

divide and conquer. shia against sunni - que bono?

before long, the great tanned hope ISIS will be brought low, its claim of caliphate shamed, and confusion will reign - again. predicted here first.


starting a post with a (.) disables voting.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 21:53 | 4912475 Al Huxley
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I hope I can remember to use that one in conversation - best comment in a while...

Tue, 07/01/2014 - 00:16 | 4912837 Chuck Walla
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Who knew Marxism wasn't the theology of the left?


Mon, 06/30/2014 - 19:33 | 4911980 Ignatius
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Yeah, Kuntsler, check your assumptions.

In Kuntsler's world there are no conspiracies -- which would be comforting -- if it were true.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 22:27 | 4912586 BraveSirRobin
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I laugh at all the conspiracy theories on this site. The fact is, our government and their's are filled with blithering idiots. I have worked wiht very high level folks, and trust me, the vast majority are morons. These people cannot properly plan what to have for lunch more so than world domination. The truly bright and inspired are ruthlessly supressed because the morons in charge cannot see through their own vapid stupidity. The reason everyhting is fucked up is because they are fucked up. There is no grand design. The sad thing is this really is a republic, and if we, as a people, were not so fucked up, we would have better leadership. Quit blaming shadowy non-existent cliques and look in the mirror. We are all quite fucked up and therefore are all fucked. That is the truth of the matter. Have a nice day.

Tue, 07/01/2014 - 01:46 | 4912984 forexskin
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or not.

Tue, 07/01/2014 - 03:20 | 4913075 Wild Theories
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You could've said that with less anger... upvoted for the common sense to see people are more morons than grand schemers.

Tue, 07/01/2014 - 06:41 | 4913178 what's that smell
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i laugh at your laughing.

why don't you better spend some of your restless blog time looking into some of those conspiracies....

911, NSA surveillance, salvador option, coke's secret formula, manhattan project, the FED....

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 22:30 | 4912600 jez
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He's very sound on WTC Building 7, though. He once wrote that it performed that convincing impression of an expertly dynamited structure falling in on itself because it had been weakened by the twin towers falling.


So the lesson is: don't be in a building that is anywhere near another building that falls down. Because the building you are in might then fall down, out of sympathy with the first one. Structural Engineering 101.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 23:52 | 4912803 risk.averse
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Because the building you are in might then fall down, out of sympathy with the first one. Structural Engineering 101.

Yep, as a structural engineer myself (did SE 101...and 201 and 301 and 401 :-) ) I can confirm this comment is correct...especially if the building next door is massive and knocks out your foundations as it collapses. This what happened when the 100+ storey WT towers collapsed. The force this exerted on surroundings is inconceivable. Puzzles me no-end that people won't accept this!

Tue, 07/01/2014 - 00:14 | 4912831 Thought Processor
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Phew, thanks for the lesson in Engineering.

WT7 = IMPLODED because of structural sympathy.



Tue, 07/01/2014 - 01:08 | 4912921 Fish Gone Bad
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I thought the official story on WT7 was there was a fire in some office trash can.

Tue, 07/01/2014 - 01:51 | 4912991 forexskin
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This what happened when the 100+ storey WT towers collapsed. The force this exerted on surroundings is inconceivable. Puzzles me no-end that people won't accept this!

that's some sharp sarc.

Tue, 07/01/2014 - 04:31 | 4913107 buyingsterling
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Were the foundations knocked out? I don't remember reading that any nearby buildings - the ones that didn't collapse and are still standing - suffered any foundation damage that needed repair. So is it an all of nothing thing - no sign of damage until total collapse occurs?

Also, perhaps you can explain why there weren't giant steel spires sticking up out of the wreckage. What force pulverized the massive steel columns? Why did two foot wide steel pillars essentially vaporize? And if that actually happens, why do building demolition teams run charges all the way up the columns, if a blown foundation will precipitate a collapse that will pulverize them all?

What did Larry Silverstein mean when he said, 'pull it' if he didn't mean 'pull it', since it was said in the *$%U%@# context of a building collapse?

Got answers? No. Got dick, guaranfuckinteed because there are no answers that don't reduce the IQ of everyone that thinks or hears them. Retarded answers for what the government believes is a retarded public - exactly what we should expect.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 19:41 | 4912017 Smiley
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That would be racist by way of gentrification:  The immigrants are at least motivated to go somewhere else to look for a better life, they might actually *GASP* do something constructive for the area(s) they move to.  That would price the local...inhabitants...out of their communities and mess with subsidy checks if an area is no longer considered a demilitarized zone.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 18:52 | 4911790 MeMadMax
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ISIS is just a band of roving thugs that take advantage of weak adversaries... 

Like robbers in the night, they surprise and take advantage of their opponent.


But in the end, they can't carry on a protracted war or hold territory either, SYRIA proves this.


Yea, sure, they are scary... but all it really takes is someone that can hold on and just keep on nailing them over and over till they run out of warm phycopathic bodies *cough* assad *cough* *cough*...


That's why they went to Iraq... Not to expand their "caliphate" but to get the hell out of syria and live for a while longer...

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 19:00 | 4911835 andrewp111
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No. They went into Iraq to grab cash and oil, and draft more cannon fodder. They will return to fight Assad's forces soon enough.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 19:03 | 4911851 midtowng
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Barring the Iraqi government imploding, ISIS has already peaked. But that doesn't mean that Iraq is going to be taking that land back. It's going to be a bloody stalemate.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 19:09 | 4911866 Da Yooper
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Timing is everything & the clock is ticking 2016 elections are going to be interesting


IF we have them

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 19:28 | 4911960 Omegaman2211
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Fuck elections.

Tue, 07/01/2014 - 01:53 | 4912992 forexskin
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good to see you gettin with da program

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 20:52 | 4912268 Dr. Everett V. Scott
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This disaster must be laid at the feet of Obama. He always blames everyone and everything else. But the buck stops there.

A community organizer in an empty suit. Not good.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 18:33 | 4911716 The Alarmist
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2014 ... right on schedule per that greek guy, eh?

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 18:34 | 4911717 7.62x54r
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Woof! goes the mideast.

Lovely work, Ofucktard.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 18:33 | 4911718 Stoploss
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Mon, 06/30/2014 - 23:24 | 4912747 TheReplacement
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Why do WE have to kill anyone?  Why can't WE just leave.  If they kill each other it is their sin, not ours.  If they stop and find a better way then the sin is still not ours. 

If we leave and they come here to kill us, then kill all who come.

Tue, 07/01/2014 - 01:55 | 4912993 forexskin
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no foreign entanglements.

an idea whose time never left.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 18:36 | 4911728 ShrNfr
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I suspect the House of Saud already has several nukes in its back pocket. They may be being stored in Pakistan, but they proabably have been paid for. Meanwhile Obama whines about the SCOTUS decision and mumbles about sending the army of kids entering this country into a retreat.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 19:56 | 4912059 Ness.
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35 shot in the Obama community this weekend.  *crickets*

Damn, I grew up on a farm and there was a saying about corn, "knee high by the fourth of July" meant a good harvest was on the way.  Here in Chicago when we talk about "knee high..." we're talking about stacking bodies, not corn.  

<oh look! shiny keys>

Tue, 07/01/2014 - 09:13 | 4913391 rsnoble
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Thanks to GMO it's 6' tall well before the 4th.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 20:32 | 4912197 Oldrepublic
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re: nukes

a great read is chapter 9 of James Risen’s book, state of war, about how the CIA gave away by mistake plans  for a nuclear bomb to the Iranians in Vienna.

The US governments wants Risen to tell them his sources for that chapter.

The complete chapter is included in the link


Mon, 06/30/2014 - 18:38 | 4911737 goldhedge
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Saudi getting a bit of the good ole Blowback.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 18:54 | 4911797 logicalman
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Not nearly enough.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 18:40 | 4911748 suteibu
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Fuck your partisan shit.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 19:26 | 4911947 Smegley Wanxalot
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Seriously, I stopped reading the second I got to this fuckheaded author getting into republican vs democrat and equating ISIS to either.  Howie Kunstsuckler-what's-his name is a fucking idiot.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 21:41 | 4912433 Oldwood
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I second that notion. Its exactly this broad stroke idiocy that gets us into these conditions in the first place. Anyone who resists progressive change is equated to crucifying murderers.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 21:46 | 4912453 ThroxxOfVron
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Agreed.  He's just another limo-neo-lib divide-n-conquer con artist trying to change the subject now that Obama is the duopoly figurehead in charge of this rapidly unravelling mess in Iraq.  

IF the NSA was listening to coms in Iraq an Syria and Saudi Arabia, instead of violating the rights of of the Citizenry, then the Administration might not have been caught flat-footed by ISIS/ISIL storming through Iraq and grabbing whole air bases full of high-grade military hardware and looting banks of hundreds of millions of dollars. 

Maybe too much time and money has been totally fucking wasted trying to force place HMOs, abuse religious conservatives with the IRS, run guns to Mexican druglords, import Guatamalan children to create a 'humanitarian crisis' to manage by further impairing the domestic labor market, and playing bailout with the labor unions and insolvent banks?

"Clowns to the left of me, Jokers to the right..."

Tue, 07/01/2014 - 00:25 | 4912859 TheReplacement
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Why do you think the NSA and CIA were not aware of ISIS plans and preps for attacking Iraq?  We sent drones over there weeks in advance.  ISIS was putting their flags on their hoods (to be seen from above?) instead on on the sides of the vehicles or on staffs.  Some of them were supposedly trained by US assets in Jordan.  Some of their arms are reported to have come from US supply efforts in Jordan, Turkey, and Syria proper, not to mention all the loot they got in taking Mosul (funny they were able to drive across the border, attack Mosul, and then take... the border...).

These people are somewhat talented and they can multitask - crushing liberty at home and unleashing chaos around the world.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 22:35 | 4912618 Greenskeeper_Carl
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Ya pretty much. He makes good points, and I really like his style of writing, but he continually brings up shit like that and it is annoying. As if those on the left in this country were just drug by the nose into this shit by the neocons, when all these fuckers are the same. Even mentioning democrat vs republican in this article made it lose a lot of credibility. And don't forget he admits to voting for Obama twice. Apparently he had his head buried in the sand for those first 4 years.

Tue, 07/01/2014 - 00:32 | 4912872 TheReplacement
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Aren't neocons just warmongering reformed Democrats?  If you divide the neocons from the actual conservative Republicans, when is the last time a non-neocon Republican started a major war overseas?  Proof the Republican party is captured.

Yeah I do have a thing against Democrats.  They have been captured so long that several generations have come and are going and they still believe that communist crap they sell.  The more they implement it the worse it makes life for the people they are supposedly trying to help.  Obviously there aren't many souls in that party truly concerned about the plight of others when they just keep on making themselves richer while hashtag hoping for homeless people to suddenly prosper because someone gave them $ each month. 

Tue, 07/01/2014 - 01:58 | 4912997 forexskin
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neocons = PNAC = (pearle, wolfowitz, abrams, kristol, et al...) zionists all

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 18:42 | 4911758 Kaiser Sousa
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"I’m sorry, it’s rather impossible to imagine Israel getting all chummy with the psychopaths of ISIS"

the Zionists r socipaths...imagine accordingly..

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 18:47 | 4911770 logicalman
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The psychopaths of this world are in a big club - Government.


Mon, 06/30/2014 - 18:49 | 4911777 cro_maat
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"It's rather impossible imagining Israel getting all chummy with the psychopaths of ISIS" that is the funniest thing I have read all week.

The Mossad and CIA spawned ISIS. Who do you think put their Powerpoints together. Only Zionist bankers can do the IPO of ISIS.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 18:59 | 4911825 Seize Mars
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Mon, 06/30/2014 - 23:39 | 4912774 willwork4food
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Ostrovsky, a former Mossad agent, says its motto is "By way of deception, thou shalt do war".

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 19:59 | 4911791 IridiumRebel
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Dow is at all time highs off of shitastic economic numbers...World War Three must be what makes hit DOW 20K!!!!!!! Buy you motherfuckers, BUY!!!!

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 18:53 | 4911793 czarangelus
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Might ISIS roll westward over Hezbollah now to capture the pearl of the Mediterranean (or what’s left of it) Beirut? I wouldn’t be surprised.


I would be. Hezbollah would grind Daash into mincemeat.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 18:58 | 4911816 andrewp111
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ISIS will take Baghdad and Jordan long before they roll over Hezbollah.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 18:54 | 4911794 are we there yet
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Wasn't Isis orriginally the egyptian religion that worshiped cats?

I think my cat is a muslem. It is from the middle east, and dispite being as dumb as a cat it thinks it is superior to everything, and it scratches and bytes in irrational ways.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 19:06 | 4911857 logicalman
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Have another toke, dude, I'm sure your cat will start talking to you.


Mon, 06/30/2014 - 23:09 | 4912713 Seeing Red
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Tue, 07/01/2014 - 02:02 | 4913001 forexskin
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no, man don't laugh.

happened to me watching star trek once. i think it was something shatner said...

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 18:54 | 4911798 Kirk2NCC1701
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I vote for Door #3: World's biggest Ashtray.  Israel... Just Do It!  Nuke 'em all and let God sort them out.

Would that make the evening news, if it helped the stock market? /sarc

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 18:57 | 4911804 GooseShtepping Moron
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I usually have something positive to say about JHK. I really appreciate all the work he's done raising peak oil awareness, and his critiques of the architecture of suburbia are strangely alluring. But this shit really presses my buttons. Likening ISIS to the Republican Party is an unbearable canard. And I suppose that when he says the latter is trying to create a "theocracy" in America, he is referring primarily to religiously-motivated pro-life activism, which is about saving human life not destroying it.

James, shut up with that crap and stick to the oil issues.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 20:08 | 4912096 BuddyEffed
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Being over the top pushes buttons and drags emotions into events.  That's generally not a good strategy in most dynamic systems, especially where pushing others toward going over the edge can be very consequential.  In some points of view, responsibilities can be assigned as a result.   Careful, Careful.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 18:57 | 4911805 andrewp111
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Here is the thing about Israel. They have a history of attacking rival's nuclear weapons programs, but they have only done so when there is little chance of retaliation. When they whacked Saddam's and Assad's nuke programs, those countries did nothing. That is why they haven't whacked Iran's program yet - Iran would retaliate, and retaliate hard. But if Iran comes under severe military pressure from ISIS, Iran would no longer be in a position to go to war with Israel. They would have to simply take it. And Iran will come under pressure from the new Caliphate very soon. That is when I expect Israel to launch massive strikes against Iran's nuke facilities from Saudi territory.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 18:58 | 4911812 NoWayJose
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ISIS now has enough money, weapons, and fanatics to attack (and take) any location in the Middle East that they want to. Israel may be the only exception because they won't drop their weapons and run. So the Saudis, Yemenese, and other countries that think they like to pull strings behind the scenes may find that they will be strung up by ISIS.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 20:29 | 4912115 flapdoodle
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I think you are wrong about ISIS having enough fanatics at least. There just aren't *that* many not already engaged in Syria... Make no mistake: ISIS drained off their main force in Syria to support their campaign in Iraq. The conclusion I take away is that ISIS is badly overextended, a problem for even a creditable force but worse for a paper suit like ISIS.

That ISIS is an empty suit is becoming clear as they engage Hezbullah, Iranians, or Iraqi shia with any backbone. The whole beheading, crucifiction and back of head killing is the give away. Those are all meant to make ISIS seem more formidable than it really is, particularly in the panty waist West. Its easy to look tough when your opponent throws down his weapon and runs.

If ISIS is so powerful, they should have done better in Syria. They didn't. Think about it.

If ISIS has lots of troops, where did they come from? They came from their own troops fighting in SYRIA. If they are fighting in IRAQ, these troops are not fighting in SYRIA. Assad, Iran and the Iraqi shia have a once in a lifetime chance to put these clowns out of business and the US can't do anything overt lest they give the game away.

ISIS is *still* CIA/SA/Mossad. They trained them, and they fund them.

The whole "humiliation of the US" bit is pure theatre to obfuscate the truth. Obama or the jerks at the Deep State don't care if they are being humiliated. Obama's job is to appear the fool and let things disintegrate, and take the blame as the "dumb junglebunny" who let it happen. The "dumb junglebunnies" are the ones who actually believe Obama is calling the shots. He's just reading the teleprompter...

No US airstrikes. No "caravan of death" on that long parade line of Toyota Hilux technicals when this started. No "caravan of death" on the long parade line of ex-US Humvees, APCs and Toyota Hilux technicals after Mosul. All easy to spot from satellite photos.

First thing US asks for is that Maliki to step down. Who wins? ISIS/CIA/SA/Mossad.

Kurdistan goes independent. Who wins? Israel. Boy they sure didn't take their time to recognize  independant Kurdistan did they...

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 19:00 | 4911821 buzzsaw99
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kunstler doing his joo propaganda routine. :vomits:

hey dipshit, israel doesn't stay out of the way of anything. they foment EVERYTHING.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 19:25 | 4911826 MasterOfTheMult...
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ISIS has shocked the world? You mean the main stream media who is trying to distract attention from US support for ISIS has shocked the ignorant. ISIS, Iran and the Saudi's are mostly Sunni, while Maliki is Shia. Therefore, Iran and SA will support ISIS (just like they supported Osama bin Laden and Al Quada, both Sunni). The US, who wants to get rid of Maliki because he is getting too much autonomy and therefore control over Iraqi oil, will therefore also support ISIS, but is openly trying to condemn them. Still, the US has to decide whether they can afford to side with their "axis of evil" partner Iran. It's all about resources from a USA/EU point of view, while it's a religious battle for the locals.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 19:58 | 4912077 Rockatanski
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Correct me if I'm wrong but iran is mostly shia. 

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 20:13 | 4912116 Silky Johnson
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Apparently reading and comprehension are for fags. Iran is Grand Central Station for Shias. Might as well edit your post to say, "I don't know shit, skip to the next comment."

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 21:31 | 4912168 MasterOfTheMult...
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My bad, you are correct Iran is mostly Shia, hence therefore Iran will fight ISIS on religious grounds just like the US is trying to pretend they are trying to fight ISIS as a terrorist organization. Still, it does not change the fact that the US is fed up with Maliki and will therefore financially support ISIS to get rid of him, and in the course of events will have to decide whether they can afford to side with Iran. Saudi Arabia on the other hand is Sunni and will support ISIS which could make this a very long conflict. In essence, petrodollars will flow from OPEC Saudi Arabia into ISIS hands to fight the Iraqi army supposedly backed by Obama. In any case, all will be good news for the military–industrial–congressional complex.

Tue, 07/01/2014 - 00:23 | 4912856 Seek_Truth
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"Still, it does not change the fact that the US is fed up with Maliki and will therefore financially support ISIS to get rid of him, and in the course of events will have to decide whether they can afford to side with Iran... In any case, all will be good news for the military–industrial–congressional complex."

Whether the US decides to side with Iran, or not, Iran will be the world's next superpower, as unlikely as that may seem:

10and they are seven kings; five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come; and when he comes, he must remain a little while. 11"The beast which was and is not, is himself also an eighth and is one of the seven, and he goes to destruction.- Revelation 17:10-11

And that will by no means be "good news for the military–industrial–congressional complex."

Just sayin'.


Mon, 06/30/2014 - 19:00 | 4911830 Truther
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IF you don't have reserve fuel, better get some BITCHEZ

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 19:01 | 4911838 Son of Captain Nemo
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I thought Israel was moving to Ukraine?  They made an historical error and they're admitting it now!

No more Jerusalem being the "kingdom of the Jews" after all -it's actually in Kiev now!  Israel's motto?

When the old neighborhood you shit all over for 60 years becomes too much of a burden?  Leave It and do it all over again someplace else!...

Wonder if they will ever apologize to the Palestinians for that mistake?... Just like the U.S. invading Iraq a second time both based on lies and they are making up another zinger to invade it again!

God Israel has it's goys in the U.S. so well trained!



Mon, 06/30/2014 - 19:09 | 4911867 logicalman
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Israel didn't make an historical mistake.

Israel IS an historic mistake.



Mon, 06/30/2014 - 19:35 | 4911990 Son of Captain Nemo
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"Israel didn't make an historical mistake.  Israel IS an historic mistake."...

You forgot to give credit where credit is due for making it the historic "pariah of all pariah's" with all of our money... 

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 19:03 | 4911842 localspaced
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How is ISIS a threat to saudi Arabia? Why bite the hand that feeds you? The only risk for them is that the unrest will jump to Saudi citizens and they'll have to crush that..but they have no problems with that (what's up, Bahrain?) 


Mon, 06/30/2014 - 19:54 | 4912066 magpie
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You have to take Obama by his word...Cairo speech ring a bell...that means everyone will be destroyed.

Sounds strange...since he lies so often.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 21:17 | 4912357 chump666
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They are Saudi Arabia in militia form:

And oil still remains – weirdly — an unspoken reason for this new war. Sure, it’s a blow to the Iraqi government to lose the oil facilities of Baiji. But it’s much more of a victory for Saudi Arabia – which funds the bearded Islamists swarming across Iraq – since the capture of Mosul has cut the city’s oil supplies to the outside world and closed down output from Baiji itself.

Saudi Arabia’s claim to be the greatest oil producer in the world is no longer threatened by Shia Iraq’s output, nor the undiscovered reserves which might turn Iraq into the greatest oil producer and which lie, quite literally, under the boots of the al-Qa’ida-inspired Salafists who now threaten Maliki.

The tomb-desecration apparently already under way in Mosul is not unlike the destruction of images in the Syrian city of Raqqa, which the very same Islamists long ago included in the caliphate. It’s just what the Wahabi-style Taliban did to the Buddhas of Bamian in Afghanistan in 2001. And the Taliban – let us remember, oh please, let’s not forget – were funded by the very same Saudi Arabia.

Iraq’s tragedy is terrifying enough – for the Christians of the country, for the new cities of refugees moving across its borders, for the sectarianisation of the whole Middle East – without stubbornly refusing to accept that this whole revolt has been going on for years, that hatred of America plays a foundation role and that our Saudi mates are lock, stock and barrel behind it. Officially, they deny this. Unofficially, they have been boasting for years of their support for the Syrian Islamists who fight the Alawite (Shia) Bashar al-Assad – who are exactly the same as those now threatening Baghdad.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 19:03 | 4911848 Eyeroller
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ISIS doesn't have to blow up something like the World Trade Center.

I imagine coordinated bombings of ten power plants in various "unimportant" states (i.e. flyover country to the Dems) or even scattered gas station bombings would be enough to scare the bejesus out of "the folks".

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 19:12 | 4911879 jballz
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It's fly-over country to anyone fortunate enough to not live there. Nonpartisan sentiment.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 20:23 | 4912133 bunnyswanson
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9-11 was symbolic - world financial center being raped.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 19:06 | 4911855 tostaky06
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Nostradamus already predicted that ...

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 19:34 | 4911982 JuliaS
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Right after 9/11, "Nostradamus" became one of the most googled words on the internet. Myself included, I've read a dozen of morednized interpretations resurrected for the occasion. I remember one version I wish I saved that spoke both, of antichrist traveling from Afghanistan to Pakistan and of eventual burial at sea which I thought was weird. Now that the events have actulally taken pace (as we're lead to believe at least), I'm trying to locate that early text. Unfortunately, there are now more interpretations of his prophecies on the net than pictures of kittens.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 19:39 | 4912008 Thought Processor
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Wait, do you mean real kittens or are you referring to ......



Mon, 06/30/2014 - 19:06 | 4911858 Miffed Microbio...
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Who would have thunk it. The x wing fighters can take down the arrogant Death Star. Obviously Death Star failed to use their superior resources properly. If only they had spent a few more trillion, they may have been able to repel those resourceful ewoks.


Mon, 06/30/2014 - 20:40 | 4912234 Meat Hammer
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Mr Miffed is a lucky man.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 23:01 | 4912688 Hulk
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she may have bad breath...

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 23:45 | 4912787 willwork4food
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or she may be a he...

Tue, 07/01/2014 - 01:08 | 4912919 Miffed Microbio...
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I have been accused of this so many times. Certainly sending a picture is no proof. If someone here met me and claimed I am who I say I am, what proof is that? It's just a dilemma with no solution.

How many men would actually pretend to be a woman here? Ok the reverse has been done. I guess I'm left with claiming I am the real deal and hoping some will believe me. Tell you what. If any of you are in San Diego I will meet you and prove to you who I am. Fair enough? Ok, I will not expose myself inappropriately.


Tue, 07/01/2014 - 09:53 | 4913517 jemlyn
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Miffed is a woman.  It takes one to know one and I wish I could meet her too.

Tue, 07/01/2014 - 18:44 | 4915506 Miffed Microbio...
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The offer is extended to you as well and I will be the honored one to meet a fellow ZH compatriot. I thought I post clearly as a female and am a bit dismayed there are doubts.


Mon, 06/30/2014 - 19:10 | 4911873 jballz
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more punkedamonious bullshit.

Bandar holds the reins on the semi-mummified Saud family and he's just a bitch for the MIC. He also raised "Isis" from birth and bred them to be scarier than the fuckwad losers they tried to sell us as the bogeyman in Al Qaeda (also spoonfed by Bandar and the wahhabis at the behest of the dogs of war). Saudi don't give a fuck, Bandar is the paymaster for this whole shitstain psychodrama.

Or it's the Shriners, I give a fuck anymore.



Mon, 06/30/2014 - 19:13 | 4911891 logicalman
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I find it amazing that the Wahabists are mentioned so little when the subject of the ME comes up.

Hang on a mo' - Do the Saudi Royals have enough money to pay off governments and media outlets??

Did I just answer my own question?


Tue, 07/01/2014 - 04:21 | 4913100 Divine
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logicalman, it's not the fiat that pays the silence but the oil

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 19:16 | 4911901 Mitzibitzi
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Look up JP233 - and why the 54 of them that were in storage have recently vanished.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 19:18 | 4911912 world_debt_slave
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world wars started for less


Mon, 06/30/2014 - 19:18 | 4911914 magpie
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No mention of Turkey and Kurdistan ?

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 19:26 | 4911915 tony wilson
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in iraqs general electric  ridden depleted uranium fields.

all they need is


5 pilots from belarus

3 syrian pilots

8 russian su 25s planes

5 iraniian drones


give them 3 days.

isis cia and israel will take a ribs,guts and spleen blood swim party that they will not get up from.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 19:21 | 4911927 Mitzibitzi
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You know, the real thing that a certain segment of the US contingent on this site really refuses to get is that YOU ARE NOW THE BAD GUYS!

I live in the UK and WE ARE THE BAD GUYS, TOO! Maybe slightly less than you are, but it's the difference between a knife-point rape and a gunpoint rape. The unwilling victim still gets fucked against their will.


Mon, 06/30/2014 - 19:26 | 4911948 d edwards
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That line about turning Iraq into an "oil dispensery" is just leftist bullshit (no blood for oil). The US never got one f-ing barrel of oil and that was never the intent.

Kunt-sler can go f*ck himself.

Tue, 07/01/2014 - 00:31 | 4912869 Seek_Truth
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"No blood for oil."

Correct in a literal sense, but the Iraq wars were all about preserving the almighty petrodollar, so wrong in that sense.

Tue, 07/01/2014 - 05:01 | 4913117 KashNCarry
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True...& it was never about dispensing oil but in controlling it. Keeping most of it in the ground was always a better strategy.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 19:34 | 4911977 logicalman
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This is nothing new - they were never really the good guys.

UK and US just control the propaganda machines, the banking system, have nukes and plenty of military might. Otherwise they'd never get away with what they do.


Mon, 06/30/2014 - 19:25 | 4911941 JuliaS
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WW3: Revenge of the Jews

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 19:35 | 4911991 logicalman
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They are not the ones should be seeking revenge, rather, on the receiving end.


Tue, 07/01/2014 - 00:33 | 4912873 Seek_Truth
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They ain't real jews, they are pseudo-jews:

"I will make those who are of the synagogue of Satan, who claim to be Jews though they are not, but are liars--I will make them come and fall down at your feet and acknowledge that I have loved you."

-Revelation 3:9

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 19:26 | 4911953 metaforge
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Not one of Kunstler's better articles.  He's way too much of a cheerleader for IL.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 19:28 | 4911959 Billy Shears
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We must extend a diplomatic olive branch purely from a pragmatic standpoint, nothing to lose.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 19:29 | 4911965 Rehab Willie
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I thought the book of revelations was metaphor, not an instruction manual.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 19:33 | 4911983 Fred123
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Nothing like the Arabs going at one another with knives and bullets. We should advertise in Europe that all good muslim men should join the Jihad of their sect (Sunni/Shia) in Syria/Iraq etc. Instead of net immigration we could have a net emigration. A win for Europe and the world.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 19:34 | 4911987 Martian Moon
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All of the countries in the ME were invented and drawn up on a map 100 years ago by British and French bureaucrats doing their best to stick together ethnic groups that hate each other

The region is simply returning to its natural state of chaos


Mon, 06/30/2014 - 19:38 | 4912003 logicalman
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All the countries on earth were drawn up to suit a small group of individuals that wished to parasitize the people living there.


Mon, 06/30/2014 - 19:37 | 4912004 Harriet Wanger
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Meh. Gimme Pepe Escobar for analysis. At least he has some sources other than his posterior orifice.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 19:40 | 4912005 chump666
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Calm down.  Iran with Russia will bomb these psycho bandits into oblivion.  Remember these lunatics backed by Saudi Arabia are Wahhabi militia trained by the US have NO air-support, need to be supplied via the Saudi boarders in which they have achieved that, once the are rearmed, more men etc, they will move North.  That means they gotta get onto their Hilux trucks and drive the long column to try and take the Kurds.

F*cking sitting ducks.  Kurds are good fighters, with air-support they will clean these maniacs up.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 19:43 | 4912025 magpie
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Judging from their actions from Syria, they will after the ethnic cleansing of Shias and Christians engage in purging their local allies and Sunni "heretics", then go on to attack the Kurds.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 19:45 | 4912031 deflator
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 Putin wins again?

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 20:10 | 4912100 chump666
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Unfortunately yes. 

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 21:13 | 4912341 Dr. Everett V. Scott
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"Putin wins again?"

Only because Obama is a total incompetent in an empty suit — or doing Putin's bidding. Maybe both.

'Both' is worse.

I can understand Obama's first election as America's act of contrition for slavery, even tho Obama doesn't have a drop of slave blood in him.

But the second one? America has gone insane.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 23:54 | 4912808 willwork4food
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Ruby Ridge? Waco? OKC? 911? Project for a New American Century?

America's been insane since Eisenhower warned us against a build up of the military industrial complex, but to demarc that insanity to Obama's second term is..well, insanity.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 19:48 | 4912044 Lookout Mountain
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Perhaps the Saudi family is having mixed emotions. Their plans have led to a new Sunni movement against the Shia snakes they despise and fear but appear to have gotten a bit out of hand. Left hand that is.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 19:49 | 4912045 Fix It Again Timmy
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Why all the optimism and why have you doled out it out in one dose?  

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 19:51 | 4912050 Bazza McKenzie
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So convenient for everyone to wrap up what is happening in a few letters: ISIS.

The reality is Iraq is and always was split between Sunnis and Shiites, each living in different territories, except for the mix around Bagdad, and even there each tends to have its own area.

Under Saddam, Sunnis controlled the whole lot.  After the US broke that control and introduced "democracy", the more numerous Shiites took power and al Maliki was busily trying to make himself the new Saddam.  Except he had neither the cohesion of supporters or ability to exert full control.

Then a small bunch of Sunnis, armed by the US, and who weren't getting anywhere in Syria decided to take over Sunni territory in Iraq.

The army officers in that territory were mainly incompetent Shiite political appointees.  Not wanting to fall into Sunni hands in Sunni territory, they all left town when ISIS showed up.  At which point the army in that area collapsed and the local Sunnis joined with ISIS to take back control of their territory.  So there was little opposition to ISIS.

None of that will be replayed in the south which is Shiite territory, and where opposition to a Sunni invastion would be implacable.  ISIS and its Sunni supporters don't have the capacity for that.

Even in the territory that ISIS has "overrun", it is unlikely the Sunni boys and tribes who had power with Saddam are actually going to tolerate being controlled by a bunch of religious ragheads out of Syria.

ISIS was a precipitating factor, but we aren't going to see "the caliphate".  We are going to see the emergence of two countries (three including the Kurds) from Iraq, one Sunni and one Shiite.  Whether they accommodate to one another or engage in a long war around Bagdad is the unknown.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 20:55 | 4912277 Thirtyseven
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Even in the territory that ISIS has "overrun", it is unlikely the Sunni boys and tribes who had power with Saddam are actually going to tolerate being controlled by a bunch of religious ragheads out of Syria.

I disagree with you, but only on this point here.  The tribal leaders are probably quaking in their dishdashas right now.  Why?  Because many of them worked with the Americans and the puppet regime in Baghdad to boot the previous installment of Al-Qaida from of the area.

Therefore they are left with two broad options: (1) Fight to maintain their own control, which will be unlikely (remember, loss = death) given they will have no support from either Baghdad or Washington, or (2) Nominally support ISIS controlling the area, which they will have to pretend to like and which would likely lead to death by crucifixion anyway for the crime of having collaborated with "the far enemy" as well as "the near enemy".

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 19:52 | 4912051 Runs-With_Toast
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Isis is was made by Saudis Cia Zionists. Is it out of control? Maybe not. I think partly. Russia holds the key. IMHO this will eventually lead to nuclear war

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 19:53 | 4912065 tumblemore
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"Is it out of control? Maybe not. I think partly."


Yes. Partly, partly not.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 22:02 | 4912482 22winmag
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Obama ain't Truman and he definitely doesn't have free reign with the nuckulur suitcase. Just saying.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 19:53 | 4912058 tumblemore
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"it’s rather impossible to imagine Israel getting all chummy with the psychopaths of ISIS"


In public yes but otherwise not only possible but plausible. Maliki is (or was) allowing a supply line between Iran and Assad. ISIS breaks that supply line.


It's the same as neocons/Israel supporting ultra-nationalist groups in Ukraine as a tool against Russia. If Russia had lost their Crimean base after the coup in Kiev that would have weakened their ability to suppot Assad.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 19:53 | 4912061 Lmo Mutton
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So some ragtag insurgents with a week of training are sweeping across Iraq faster than the US in their 100 hours??



Mon, 06/30/2014 - 22:24 | 4912574 Wahooo
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The US is setting up to pull the trigger. ISIS would be wiped out within 24 hours. IF the US decides.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 20:17 | 4912134 nah
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ya palestine is doing reletively well with only crazy zionists to worry about



Mon, 06/30/2014 - 20:19 | 4912147 Razor_Edge
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Abu Mus‘ab al-Zarqawi was in fact a Jordanian. And if ISIL/ISIS moves on Lebanon, I think they'll get the asses handed to them by Hisballah. if they could kick Israeli ass in 2006 when the Jus has their Merkavas, their top gun fighters and bombers and their most moral army in the world (do I need a sarc tag here?) then I think that ISIL would be a walk in the park for Hisballah, the pride of the Lebanon. They have to be one of the top fighting forces in the world; well motivated and highly trained and disciplined. Blessings be upon the charismatic Sheik Hassan Nasrallah, and peace be upon him.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 20:38 | 4912223 Thirtyseven
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Probably not a good time to be one of the Anbari sheiks who participated in the American led "Sunni uprising" back in '07-ish....

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 20:52 | 4912280 Razor_Edge
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The Iraqi Sunni who led the Sunni uprising and the former Ba'athists are using ISIS for their own purposes for as long as it suits them. When it no longer serves them, they'll crush ISIS. They're not gonna have those crazies laying down the law for them. That's why ISIS is actually a paper tiger in Iraq. They don't have the numbers nor the local influence and they're not Iraqi. That's another reason the Iraqis won't take shit from them.

Tue, 07/01/2014 - 04:29 | 4913106 Divine
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Good analyzis Razor,


Like a single mall shooter, few armed men can control huge populations if the general population is unarmed. Things change when the cavlary comes at the scene

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 21:15 | 4912332 tony wilson
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whatever the jews of hollywood and newyork tv land say about isis it is all bullshit.

take a town sure but have you got the manpower to hold it?

that is why this is all bollox leverage pressure to stop yraqi prime minister drone target  marlarky from going rogue and off chatham house script.

like al ciada before isis is a phantom a ghost yes they have actors and dummies for green screen video and stills shoots.

and yest they have centcom jordan and incerlik turkey trained boots on the ground but 6 weeks even with sas and mossad kidron  polish grom training is not gonna cut it.

low level operations is all they are good for shoot wreck and scoot come you dumb fucks cut with all this huff post scarey isis bull shit.

this sites gone all idf jew.

C.I.A. no al-qaeda ever existed - documentary the power of nightmares

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 21:41 | 4912434 nostromo17
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A few ashtrays sounds really good...

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 21:41 | 4912435 nostromo17
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A few ashtrays sounds really good...

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 21:48 | 4912458 nostromo17
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Anyway, I am guessing ISIS gets disposed of as soon as they are no longer politically useful.  If there is any drama to this its the play of the media dogs to keep us thinking we need Homeland Security (which we never needed, not at all, just part of the welfare state with a fascist political payoff), the dogs of media wagging some dogs' tails for their leash holding masters in the Capitol, Whitehouse and as usual corporate board rooms.

We continue to witness the perhaps slowest story line and most boring unraveling of a world power in history.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 21:50 | 4912468 22winmag
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Until U.S. aircraft carriers and submarines keel over and sink, there is light in the world and a chance for the Republic.

Just saying.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 22:30 | 4912593 esum
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suni. Vs shia

Iran Iraq war redux

Perfect place for Iran to test fire its nukes the ones Vlad will provide

What ussa needs now is for volunteers to quit after contract is up

Demand a draft and let some libtards get their limbs blown off


Mon, 06/30/2014 - 22:37 | 4912626 esum
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Iraqis need a second awakening

Like the one after they realized All Q was playing them

ISIS is the jv...... the bathhouse boy told us so

Unless they levitate from place to place seems ussa could inflict death from above

Love the smell of a well crisped corpse....... crispy critters as called in Nam

Hit them with a rifle butt and they just crumble....... crucifixion is so inefficient and so old school

Give ISIS a diet of carpet bomb with napalm for desert..... they will be crying for mommy

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 23:14 | 4912726 falga
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seems like all rebels or mujahideen US seem to support comes back to bite us.  Remember Osama a friend of Saudi and US during the war against Russians in Afghanistan.  An now this Bhgadadi guy, same thing, useful when he was winning against Assad.  As soon as they lose, we seem to drop them and they come back to haunt us...  you would think that we have learned after such experiences...  

Tue, 07/01/2014 - 01:38 | 4912973 Paracelsus
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US Ambassador to Iraq,Ms.April Glaspie,to Saddam Hussein: "We have no opinion on an Arab-Arab dispute".

Great advice.Let's sit this one out....

Tue, 07/01/2014 - 02:30 | 4913026 zipit
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"the USA’s endeavor to turn Iraq into an 'obedient oil dispensary'"

Tue, 07/01/2014 - 02:56 | 4913044 BringOnTheAsteroid
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Once a negro has finished with the white house and a woman has finished with the Fed affirmative action is going to get kicked into last century.

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