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Las Vegas Is "Screwed"; The Water Situation "Is As Bad As You Can Imagine"

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"It's just going to be screwed. And relatively quickly," warns Tim Barnett, of the Scripps Institution of Oceanography, telling The Telegraph, the situation in Las Vegas is "as bad as you can imagine". After a devastating, 14-year drought drained the reservoir that supplies 90% of the city’s water, the apparently endless supply of water is an illusion as Las Vegas population has soared. As Barnett ominously concludes, "unless it can find a way to get more water from somewhere, Las Vegas is out of business. Yet they’re still building, which is stupid."

As The Telegraph reports, as with many things in Sin City, the apparently endless supply of water is an illusion.

America’s most decadent destination has been engaged in a potentially catastrophic gamble with nature and now, 14 years into a devastating drought, it is on the verge of losing it all.


“The situation is as bad as you can imagine,” said Tim Barnett, a climate scientist at the Scripps Institution of Oceanography. “It’s just going to be screwed. And relatively quickly. Unless it can find a way to get more water from somewhere Las Vegas is out of business. Yet they’re still building, which is stupid.”

Things are not good...

Las Vegas gets just four inches of rain in a good year, and in the first four months of 2014 there was just 0.31 of an inch.


The Southern Nevada Water Authority, which has the task of keeping the city from running dry, has described the effects of the drought as “every bit as serious as a Hurricane Katrina or a Superstorm Sandy”.


However, Las Vegas still uses 219 gallons of water per person per day, one of the highest figures in the US. In San Francisco the figure is just 49 gallons.

But they have a plan...

Lake Mead’s water level is currently at 1,087ft above sea level. There are two pipes, known as “straws”, that take water from it to Las Vegas.


The first extracts water at an elevation of 1,050ft and is likely to be sucking at air, rather than water, soon. The second straw is at 1,000ft.


Lake Mead is expected to fall another 20ft towards that critical point by the end of this year.



Beneath the ground a mammoth effort is already under way to complete a new, lower straw which will be able to draw the last of the water from the lake.


But it is a painfully slow process as a giant drill the size of two football pitches advances at a rate of one inch per day.


That rescue project is costing $817 million and is currently expected to be complete by late 2015, but it is not viewed as a long-term solution.


Las Vegas also wants to build a separate $15.5 billion pipeline that would pump 27 billion gallons of groundwater a year from an aquifer 260 miles away in rural Nevada.


But a judge has refused permission after environmentalists sued on the basis that it would adversely affect 5,500 acres of meadows, 33 miles of trout streams, and 130,000 acres of habitat used by sage grouse, mule deer, elk and pronghorn, an antelope-like creature that is endangered in the region. The court heard that 25 species of Great Basin springsnails would be pushed toward extinction.

But in the end, it's a fals promise...

“It’s a really dumb-headed proposition. It would provide a false sense of security that there’s plenty of water and it would delay the inevitable decisions that have to be taken about water conservation and restricting growth.


The drought is like a slow spreading cancer across the desert. It’s not like a tornado or a tsunami, bang. The effects are playing out over decades. And as the water situation becomes more dire we are going to start having to talk about the removal of people (from Las Vegas).”


Mr Mrowka cited Lake Las Vegas, a mega-resort where stars including Celine Dion live, as one of the “most egregious examples” of wasting water.

And then there's this...

One proposal is for landlocked Nevada to pay billions of dollars to build solar-powered desalination plants in the Pacific off Mexico, taking Mexico’s share of Colorado River water in exchange.

But Mr Mrowka said: “The Colorado is essentially a dying river. Ultimately, Las Vegas and our civilisation in the American South West is going to disappear, like the Indians did before us.”

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The bottom line - get there now, watch the fountains, drink the water, swim in the lake... (and sell your house)


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Mon, 06/30/2014 - 17:08 | 4911297 max2205
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Mon, 06/30/2014 - 17:13 | 4911310 camaro68ss
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Do as Mr. Yellen, Just print water.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 17:15 | 4911320 Pladizow
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"Build it and it will rain." - Paul Krugman

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 17:26 | 4911366 Omegaman2211
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Then break it and build it again.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 17:29 | 4911387 RevRex
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Mon, 06/30/2014 - 17:30 | 4911394 Troll Magnet
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Here's to hoping Harry Reid retires to Vegas for good. 

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 17:34 | 4911401 ZerOhead
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I wonder what are the odds are of Lake Mead falling below 1,000 ft?

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 17:41 | 4911448 DoChenRollingBearing
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Perhaps we can now say that Vegas is not a good place to await TEOTWAWKI.  No water...

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 17:48 | 4911477 Pure Evil
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Just drop a 50 MegaTon hydrogen bomb on it and call it Mission Accomplished.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 18:12 | 4911594 Xibalba
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Well, what do you think Geo-Engineering is anyways?

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 18:24 | 4911674 MeMadMax
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Lost Angeles is next...

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 18:39 | 4911734 Thought Processor
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Tokyo might have them both beat.  

It's been confirmed that the aquafers supplying greater Tokyo are already contaminated with measurable radioactive particles from the Fukushima meltdowns (and the contamination will only increase from here on out).  

Some of these radioactive particles, no matter how small they are, will kill you if you injest them.  It may not take an hour, a day, a week or even a month but they will eventually get you.

3 Cores and no one knows where the hell they are.  The cooling water, no one knows where that is going either.  


Tokyo has nearly 40 million people.  


No water, no people.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 19:17 | 4911903 COSMOS
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No problem they will just raise the safety levels on the amount of isotopes allowed in water.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 19:43 | 4911967 Thought Processor
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Or make testing it illegal.  


They may have already done this, in that it may still be legal to test (I think) but it is now illegal to report that test.  That is, if I am correct in my understanding of the latest Nat. Sec. developments there.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 19:52 | 4912028 knukles
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  -Marie Reid

Just subsidize it with Selection 8 free boozing place, EBT (Electronic Booze Transpire) cards and lotsa new AA meetings

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 21:06 | 4912320 Bohm Squad
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Answer: Kitty Litter

Question:  What is a yard full of empty alcohol bottles called?

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 21:35 | 4912407 imbrbing
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Answer, my yard after the weekend :)

Tue, 07/01/2014 - 00:17 | 4912833 Manthong
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Easy Fix..

Cut off Mexico.

Just tell them we need 50 gallons per day for each of the 12,000,000 illegals they shipped into the US.

If they want the water, they bring'em back.

I just solved the immigration reform problem, too.

Tue, 07/01/2014 - 00:21 | 4912847 markmotive
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Vegas is an early warning system for America. Housing overbuilding, gluttony...and now water.

From the UN: Just 17 years from now, nearly half the global population could be facing water scarcity, with demand outstripping supply by 40 percent.

This is happening now and is happening in America.

What will your kids think in 2070:

Tue, 07/01/2014 - 04:05 | 4913095 svayambhu108
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There's plenty of water with this One:

Tue, 07/01/2014 - 07:52 | 4913223 Manthong
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Well, my area of the Midwest is absolutely saturated. Some spots were getting 4 inches of rain/hour for a while with the two systems that passed through yesterday.

I get to welcome freaking July in here with a torrid global warming 65 degrees F this morning.

All this after the global warming deep freeze winter that whacked the economy in Q1 and still sees some ice in the northernmost of the Great Lakes.

I think I will go out for a run and generate a little excess CO2.

And oh, BTW, I have been in and out of Vegas well over a couple hundred times on business in the last 20 years or so. It was a great place in the mid- 90’s and I considered moving there then. I am certainly glad I did not. If the greedy bozo’s that “planned” and ruined Clark County had any clue about the limits of expansion and growth in a resource constrained environment, they would not be in this sad shape right now.


Tue, 07/01/2014 - 11:20 | 4913848 Calmyourself
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You must be in MN, its jeans and sweatshirts today

Tue, 07/01/2014 - 07:01 | 4913187 Againstthelie
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Libertarians would argue that the free market solves everything.

Wait: the problems of the next generation? Have no price...

Tue, 07/01/2014 - 14:18 | 4914538 Minburi
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If there were a free market, then the populations would go where the market can best support them. Not where social engineering has led them.

Populations would be smaller if people were responsible for their own actions and not socially engineered to become parasites and to produce more parasites.

Sound currency would help too instead of this debt based collapsing ponzi scheme system.

Tue, 07/01/2014 - 14:47 | 4914625 Flakmeister
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Seems you have a very idealized view of what motivates people and how society really functions...

The only social engineering has been the abundant cheap energy that has masked a lot of flawed ideology...

Tue, 07/01/2014 - 17:33 | 4915251 detached.amusement
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From the UN: Just 17 years from now, nearly half the global population could be facing water scarcity, with demand outstripping supply by 40 percent.




and the seas will also have risen 50 feet, there will be 2700ppm co2, el nino will be the primary driver of the climate, and the sun will be completely retired as we'll have found another more renewable solution by then


fuck the UN - you cant spell Eunuch without it

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 19:25 | 4911934 Cruel Aid
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Kennison on hunger and deserts. 

Theme twist: Don't give them anymore water, they will just put it in their pools!! Oh Oh OOOOh

We hv deserts, we just don't live in them!! S. K.

Vegas was small back then.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 19:43 | 4911994 Cruel Aid
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No kidding, pukeworthy growth and dear leader is on nationwide tour making the case that is a cornucopia of jobs.

He's an idiot.

Edit: its not the drought, the ave rainfall is just over 30"/yr. Not enough for the millions that seem to want to come destroy it. Its not about global warming, its about getting swamped by carpetbaggers and refugees leaving the wreckage of... you know.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 19:48 | 4912043 knukles
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If there's a problem it is too fucking many people, hiuman pollution, The Disease.
Lack of water is but a symptom

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 20:43 | 4912250 QQQBall
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Right, its the Messykins fault. Morons

Tue, 07/01/2014 - 01:58 | 4912996 JohnnyBriefcase
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I must have missed the part where he said anything regarding mexicans. It sounded more like he was blaming the excessive ammount of humans fucking everywhere and their retarded assumption that we can multiply endlessly without repercussions.

Oh nevermind. you're one of those that wish to divide the population and derail discussion.

Tue, 07/01/2014 - 11:35 | 4913913 Son of Loki
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Austin has turned intoa crappy place the last 8 years with overcrowding, congestion and high crime ...not to mention that huge mess of a race track on the outskirts.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 21:37 | 4912420 Cruel Aid
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Ok Knuckles, you crossed from Sam Kinneson to Bill Burr... Too many fuckin people

Laugh your ass off in the face of this bullshit.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 23:34 | 4912767 boogerbently
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Alaska Pipeline, Keystone Pipeline, how about something to save lives instead of adding to the "bottom line" ??

A WATER pipeline from the states that flood EVERY YEAR to the states that have DROUGHT every year ????

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 23:49 | 4912768 boogerbently
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Alaska Pipeline, Keystone Pipeline, how about something to save lives instead of adding to the "bottom line" ??

A WATER pipeline from the states that flood EVERY YEAR to the states that have DROUGHT every year ????

Tue, 07/01/2014 - 05:48 | 4913140 BringOnTheAsteroid
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You're not allowed to say there are too many people in the world because people get very upset. Don't you know our children are our future. I just hope this next batch start being our future, better, because the last batches sure don't seem to have worked out too well.

Tue, 07/01/2014 - 11:22 | 4913854 Calmyourself
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Culture matters, now this is going to scorch some asses but it is about which people..  Yes, some cultures are vastly superior.

Tue, 07/01/2014 - 02:36 | 4913031 Freddie
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Repub governors in TX, AZ and NM and none of them are doing a damn thing about Obama's invasion.  Perry talks big but does nothing.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 20:27 | 4912179 OceanX
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I've been following this for years.  A few years back the USGS forcast a 50% chance that Lake Mead would be dry by 2017? Also, a longterm study of tree rings have scientist thinking perhaps the last 100 years was a "wet" period in the last 900 years and maybe things are returning to a little more "normal"  

A really good read is: "Beyond The 100 Meridian"  it is a biography of John Wesly Powells career.

... you think there are a lot of claims on gold, read the water laws and claims on the water out west.  Different laws effect water allocation at various water levels for the resevoir.  I think things really start to get interesting under 1050 ft...

Out west, whiskey is for drinking and water is for fighting!

Last July, I sold my house in Austin, glad to be out of Texas! (20 years)


P.S.  Also, check out how much of the forest the beetles have been eating.  Millions of acres of dead trees ...a giant tinderbox!

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 20:40 | 4912232 Falling Down
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There won't be enough water to turn the turblines at the hydro plant near there.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 20:44 | 4912254 QQQBall
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also a good read = Cadillac Desert

Tue, 07/01/2014 - 05:50 | 4913141 BringOnTheAsteroid
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Would anyone actually miss Vegas?

Tue, 07/01/2014 - 07:21 | 4913206 plane jain
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Hail to a fellow expat.

We also sold our house last July and left Texas.  Lived there all my life.  It was nice until the population quadrupled.  Don't know if we will stick where we are, but there is plenty of water and a lot less people.

Tue, 07/01/2014 - 08:29 | 4913317 fallout11
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Lake Mead was rising (filling) back when the original (1968) Planet Of The Apes shots scenes there, built to supply Vegas with water. It has been draining (falling) since the early 1980's, slowly and steadily. Greater Vegas is overpopulated, and has been getting more so every year. Absent pumped water, the area's natural carrying capacity is about 400 people.

Tue, 07/01/2014 - 18:43 | 4915497 Magooo
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Don't tell 'the terrorists' about that

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 21:20 | 4912363 CzarVladimirI
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I live in Austin. Where did you move to if you don't mind me asking? 

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 21:49 | 4912461 OceanX
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I'm in Melbourne, Fl.  (parents and sister are here...)  I'm really liking the beach!

Tue, 07/01/2014 - 18:44 | 4915504 Magooo
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Big water problems in the area too...

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 23:05 | 4912681 Rusty Shorts
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“We can’t stop here, this is bat country”  - H.T.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 23:52 | 4912799 hairball48
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40 million fewer residents? Bullish for their pension fund.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 20:54 | 4912260 sylviasays
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San Francisco should not exist--it lacks water and is built on an active earthquake fault line.  San Francisco gets most of it's water from the Hetch Hetchy water reservoir in Yosemite National Park which is hundreds of miles away from the city.

Tue, 07/01/2014 - 17:06 | 4915162 mkkby
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So Lake Mead 1000 feet deep, dropping 20 feet a year.  That means water will last 50 years. 

Ha ha ha.  Another screaming headline about a non issue.  And not one ZH reader can do 3rd grade math.  What a fucking joke.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 20:53 | 4912262 sylviasays
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San Diego should not exist either. The Colorado River is a major source of supply for cities in San Diego County as well as the Imperial County towns of Calexico and El Centro.

Tue, 07/01/2014 - 01:55 | 4912994 Tall Tom
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There are SUSTAINABLE POPULATION SIZES. San Diego has existed since 1769. The San Diego River ran through it and Father Junerpio Serra established Mission Dam to provide water for agriculture.


Now as for San Diego County having 2 Million people??? That is about 1.5 Million too many.


El Centro-Brawley-Calexico is PRIME FARMLAND. The small population there is basically Agriculture workers and farm owners. The Colorado River...before the dams were built...used to flood 50 Miles wide through the Imperial Valley depositing fertile silt.


After the construction of the dams the Imperial Valley was stable enough to have productive farming of know? Stuff you may eat like vegetables? Dairy Products?


Populations in the Imperial Valley are sustainable at present levels. (Who would want to live in that hot and humid valley?) However, due to the drought, vegetable, dairy and cotton production will be cut as the stipends for Colorado River water have been restricted by the Queen of America.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 20:56 | 4912290 toady
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And Phoenix, although we have a small backup in the salt river project.

Tue, 07/01/2014 - 02:06 | 4913006 Tall Tom
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That "small backup" used to sustain a Population of 700,000 people in Maricopa County, before the Central Arizona Project, quite efficiently. I know. I lived there during that time.


What is Lake Pleasant looking like these days? That is from the snowmelt runoff of the Bradshaws to the North of the Valley. The Salt River gets its water from the snowmelt runoff from the Mogollion Rim (Payson-Lakeside-Pinetop) to the east of the Valley.


It is not that there is a lack of water but that there are too many people for the area whom are competing for the resource.


Towns are built by Rivers for a reason. Even though the Salt River may appear "dry" there is a lot of underground water flowing through it.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 23:44 | 4912783 snodgrass
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No, LA has 4 million acre feet of water stored that they stole from elsewhere. Las Vegas will do the same. It's run by the mob, remember?

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 18:14 | 4911599 Say What Again
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Does this mean no more Pamela Anderson videos from lake mead?

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 18:14 | 4911614 Troll Magnet
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WHAT THE FUCK, MAN?!?  Pamela Anderson is like 50 now.  Jeez...

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 18:47 | 4911769 Yes We Can. But...
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Yeah, so am I! 

Bring it on...

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 19:09 | 4911868 Troll Magnet
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Then you ought to be chasing 25-year-olds!  No sagging boobs.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 19:29 | 4911961 Son of Loki
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50?! I don't think she's that Big!

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 21:06 | 4912318 toady
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I told my 40 year-old wife I was trading her in for two twenty year-olds.

She said....

Your not wired for 220!

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 21:18 | 4912359 SF beatnik
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When you get to be 60,  you'll find that you rather like those eggs sunny side up.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 18:56 | 4911801 soylentgreenispeople
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And the fish still stink.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 18:18 | 4911619 Deathrips
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Pam Anderson 1995....??


Fuck it, i got 5 billion gallons of water on Black.


Spin that shit!!!



Mon, 06/30/2014 - 18:18 | 4911642 teslaberry
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call it tsar vegas. 

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 18:40 | 4911691 G-R-U-N-T
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-Recycling astronaut urine for energy and drinking water-

If gamblers and Casinos are that desperate then they can use this method as a water and energy management tool!

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 18:44 | 4911763 Citxmech
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And by the time you come up with something to power the process with, water will cost what?

Next folks will be claiming that stillsuits are the answer.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 18:59 | 4911823 August
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Save the serious bombs for serious cities with serious evil.  Vegas is just a hang-out for middle-brow losers with nothing better to do.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 19:31 | 4911973 RafterManFMJ
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The solution is simple - every homeowner in Vegas needs to buy a moisture valorator, and maybe a droid that understands their binary language.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 21:35 | 4912409 Blano
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Protocol droids may cover it.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 23:46 | 4912790 SilverRhino
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Make sure it speaks Botchi. 

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 20:33 | 4912210 Chandos
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Does Larry Silverstein have any high-rise there?..Well, if so, tenants beware..sumpin's a-comin'!

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 21:45 | 4912447 Hugh G Rection
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Sheldon Addleson would certainly "pull" his own casinos if it gained him a few shekels.  Particularly in the face of a decimating drought.  Billionaires don't think twice about swatting a few of us plebian flies.  It's not like they are held to account.

*Fun fact- Jews comprise roughly 2-3% of the American population, yet make up 48% of the billionaires.  That's not including the old money bankster trillionaire families.

Tue, 07/01/2014 - 17:02 | 4915145 zeronero
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Your comments are racist, ignorant and pathetic.

You strike me as a very sad and unhappy person who has probably failed at life. Don't give up hope. Your anti depressant meds will make you feel better until your inevitable sad and lonely death.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 18:18 | 4911639 Deathrips
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Tell Greg Manarino that shit rolling bear.



Mon, 06/30/2014 - 21:28 | 4912390 Chandos
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I would actually be curious to sit down and have a beer with the arrant fool who downvoted me...Seriously, I'm in Montreal and it's hot & pretty on the Plateau..Christ O Lord! Deliver us from knaves and trolls!

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 18:59 | 4911820 Kirk2NCC1701
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Las Vegas - The Walking Dead.

Tue, 07/01/2014 - 08:24 | 4913310 Antifaschistische
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Scientist and geographers have long thought of how to get excess water from a flooded Mississippi west via a series of canals, lakes and pipelines.  You'd have to clear the continental divide then let it flow into Mead.

The notion is always shot down since it's just so expensive.  But with millions of unemployeed youth...seems like learning how to use a shovel and pick wouldn't be such a bad idea.  Of course...they'd just be support labor for the giant equipment.

Then...LasVegas would have to pay 10x as much for their water.  Sorry Celine.

Tue, 07/01/2014 - 14:44 | 4914610 XitSam
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Las Vegas residents hava a #RightToWater just like Detroit! Why do you think Obama is letting all the illegals into the country?  They can each pack five gallons from the Mississippi to Las Vegas on their backs. Employment FTW!

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 17:51 | 4911491 masterinchancery
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About 99% in view of the likelihood of the California drought continuing, and the continued addition of illegal and excess population to the area.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 18:21 | 4911655 giggler321
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No, you have it wrong, 40 days and 40 nights, got your boat?

Bullish for Lake bottom yellow diggers.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 19:07 | 4911861 Pool Shark
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Why are we allowing any water to flow into Mexico from the Colorado River???!!!

We should pump every drop out of it until Mexico agrees to cut off the flow of their illegals...



Mon, 06/30/2014 - 19:20 | 4911922 COSMOS
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Good point we can say that since so many of their citizens are here now their watershare will stay here for them.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 19:46 | 4912035 Tall Tom
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Yeah. What the hell...We ignore the US Constitution anyway. Right?


Of course you want to ignore the Rule of Law. Now you might want to read the US Constitution. You may wish to read how treaties are formed and how the US Constitution deals with them.


My bet is that you do not fucking care.


In fact all of those whom agreed with you are also fucking Statists. They are OBAMA clones.


That is because you have proven yourself to be as bad as Obama, a jackass ,who refuses to follow the Rule of Law and the US Constitution.


You only want to follow that Law of the Land WHEN IT IS CONVENIENT.


You are no better than OBAMA. In fact you are WORSE because of YOUR FUCKING HYPOCRISY.


Go away OBAMA. We do not need any more OBAMAS...especially on this website.



Mon, 06/30/2014 - 20:21 | 4912155 Four chan
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it is flooding illegal low iq future and present democrats and we cant figure out the water problem.

these two things have a common denominator.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 21:15 | 4912347 toady
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No water makes it to Mexico from the Colorado river or the Rio Grande since the eighties.

The Sea of Cortez ecosystem is getting all fucked up with salt because no fresh water makes it there anymore.

The shit that's in the Rio Grande is, well, mostly shit from Juarez.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 21:17 | 4912358 Chandos
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Anybody here think that the Colorado river could also simply remain ,«the Colorado river» , with and for its original dwellers and surrounding ecosystems??...Yeah..thought not..wrong blog..

Do carry on with wanton destruction & mayhem,


Full disclosure: I am very long Koyaaniqatsi

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 21:22 | 4912366 SF beatnik
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Last time i was in Yuma, the mighty Colorado was a mere trickle. Not enough water to sustain a school of minnows or a couple of crawdads.  

Tue, 07/01/2014 - 03:58 | 4913089 mc225
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it looks like maybe mexico doesn't get a lot of water from the colorado river. check out google sattelite maps and trace the path of the river. fascinating. ymmv

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 20:16 | 4912129 Buck Johnson
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Very high, it seems like the west is going into desertfication from the overuse of water and population.


Mon, 06/30/2014 - 21:36 | 4912418 Chandos
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The true challenge here in my opinion is to connect on a fundamental level with the sadness

this should elicit.....


Full disclosure: I am not Derrick Jensen, but would actally not mind. ( Shit! wrong blog again!... )

Tue, 07/01/2014 - 08:21 | 4913300 Schlomo Bergstein
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On a long enough timeline, the height of every lake falls to zero.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 17:36 | 4911429 Headbanger
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Move Vegas to Detroit cause it's got plenty of water.

Two problems solved!

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 18:14 | 4911603 NihilistZero
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Someone here said Detroit's future is as a water distribution hub to the rest of the country.  The more they devalue it the greater the profits for the future rentier class take over.  The water pipelines themselves will be sold as the great make work project of our time. 


Mon, 06/30/2014 - 18:42 | 4911754 Thought Processor
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Makes me wonder if Detroit gave up any water rights in the Bankruptcy.


That would be a yikes.


Let's hope the State of Michigan controls all water rights for the state.   But then there's illinois which is run by Chicago which is................


Oh never mind, we're all fucked.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 19:57 | 4912074 knukles
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Move all the illegal immigrants to Detroit, too
3 problems solved

But then again, the UN'd probably say that sending beaners to Detroit was a violation of their human and civil rights because all the white tea party racists had moved away.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 20:54 | 4912103 NihilistZero
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Oddly enough Michigan is flush with Arab money.  Their tribe has exstensive experience with resource control through real estate ownership...

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 21:23 | 4912370 SF beatnik
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Detroit, the new Sin City. 


Yeah. that works.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 20:23 | 4912162 Four chan
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the great lakes will be forever protected from the stupid over use of everywhere else's aquifers.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 21:48 | 4912455 Not Goldman Sachs
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Forever? Ha...optimistic.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 21:47 | 4912456 Not Goldman Sachs
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Forever? Ha...optimistic.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 21:47 | 4912457 Not Goldman Sachs
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Forever? Ha...optimistic.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 18:30 | 4911701 lincolnsteffens
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Sounds like an opportune time to speculate in Vegas real estate. Er, I mean invest for the long term!

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 21:24 | 4912376 SF beatnik
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Naw. Pennies on the dollar in fifteen years.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 17:48 | 4911475 timmeh
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that's just great for GDP!

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 18:03 | 4911548 Sudden Debt
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They could also build underground icewalls like they do in Fukushima to keep the ground cool!


Oh wait... They already do that in Abu Dabi...

They even have ice cooled beaches so you can walk on the sand with your feet in the desert...

Humans can be so funny :)

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 18:11 | 4911590 DoChenRollingBearing
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:)  Our guys take on your guys tomorrow!  :)

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 18:16 | 4911627 Sudden Debt
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Our men will take on your kids tomorrow :)


BELGIUM = 2 goals!

I've got a 50 ridding on that game :)

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 20:04 | 4912083 deflator
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It's gonna be my bracket buster, got USA getting past Belgium. Got Germany and Netherlands in the finals with Germany winning it all.

Tue, 07/01/2014 - 02:57 | 4913046 Sudden Debt
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Last time Germany won it all was in 1940! No chance!

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 17:29 | 4911385 Flakmeister
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"The free market will provide" - Any one of a number of asshats...

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 17:32 | 4911400 Troll Magnet
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The free market doesn't provide anything to the idiots who thought it would be a brilliant idea to build a city in the middle of nofuckingwhere desert. 

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 17:53 | 4911499 Flakmeister
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You basically said what I said...

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 19:50 | 4912047 A Nanny Moose
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Water in the west, is just another government program.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 18:25 | 4911678 cynicalskeptic
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Vegas became Vegas BECAUSE it was in the middle of f'in nowhere.  Nobody cared about the place so the mob moved in and built it into a gambling haven. With Battista losing Cuba and the dream of a Carribean heaven gone, Vegas became the mob's dream city instead of Havana.

"Cadillac Desert"  written in the 80's is one of the best summaries of how the US has screwed up water resources and misallocated the little that's there.   You can't push for endless development using a resource that's simply not there.  We've built dam after dam that killed off good productive land while doing nothign to expand water supplies (standing water evaporates faster).  Overuse of irrigation poisons land by bringing up salt levels - that white 'bathtub ring' you see around dammed lakes in the west are SALT deposits.


And on top of not having water, Vegas will be short of electricity - no water to drive turbines, no electric power.  Add to that the increased costs of GETTING TO Vegas - drive or fly - and a population with fewere and fewer 'extra' dollars to lose and Vegas is dead (the real whales from Asia go to Macao and the Arabs go to London).

Vegas also has a horrible gang problem (shhhh... you're not supposed to talk about THAT) and with insane zoning - or lack therof - you have gated communities next to trailer parks.  No 'good' neighborhoods or schools anywher in the city - all are a nice 'mix'.

Vegas is everything you could do wrong with a city - on steroids.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 18:30 | 4911698 Hugh G Rection
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Yea but the 4 ft margaritas you can wear around your neck are pretty cool!

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 23:18 | 4912737 Troll Magnet
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And legalized prostitution! Look at Harry Reid, the biggest whore of them all!

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 19:05 | 4911854 Quant Jockey
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Actually, there are very nice areas of Vegas, especially around Summerlin where I used to live. Schools were top notch with high academic standards. It wasn't until you got east of Durango Blvd. that things got shaddy. I left because there were too few job opportunities. As long as you stayed out of the strip (there is no reason to go there, ever) it was like any other big town. Despite the fact that there were four months a year that it was unbelievably hot, the fall-spring were great. It's too bad that corrupt politicians have ruined yet another American city.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 19:40 | 4912015 SmackDaddy
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yeah, vegas is nice.... if you just moved from baghdad....

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 19:14 | 4911895 ForTheWorld
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A better way to say this would be:

"The free market theory doesn't provide anything to the idiots who thought it would be a brilliant idea to build a city in the middle of nofuckingwhere desert."

If the idea of free markets is for people to receive returns on their investments, then Las Vegas has to have been a big pay day for the idiots who built it, wouldn't you agree? If free markets were to take into account every externality that exists for a given investment opportunity, are they really free then?

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 21:00 | 4912300 Government need...
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I would argue that the Vegas 'miracle' offers some insight into the dimensional complexity of many investment opportunities.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 17:51 | 4911438 ZerOhead
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Sorry to hear about NOAA correcting the record and calling July 1936 the warmist July in the U.S. ever...

I gave you an up-vote for your sheer persistence and ability to absorb immense quantities of soul-sucking humiliation...

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 17:52 | 4911496 Flakmeister
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And exactly what does that mean in the big picture?

Here is the list of warmest 12 month periods for the contiguous US (up to 2012)...

BTW, what humiliation???

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 18:08 | 4911557 ZerOhead
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You forgot to mention "After Adjustments by Climate Scientists"...


But anyway... just two question then... were the high temperatures in the 1930's caused by CO2 or where natural factors to blame?

And if natural factors were to blame then why couldn't natural factors be at work during the 1980-2000 warming?

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 18:21 | 4911657 Flakmeister
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What you fail to realize is that all the data is "after adjustments", even your precious July 1936 data...

Look up "time of observation bias" if you really want to learn something about the temperature record...

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 20:40 | 4912225 ZerOhead
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You should look up "Climate Scientist" bias if you want to learn something...

Oh looky... here's the history of your adjusted temperatures for the US... hardly worrying and even 1934 is warmer than 2012...

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 20:43 | 4912248 Flakmeister
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When AW gets his paper about the US temp record he was going on about in 2012 published in even a 3rd rate journal, I will give him more serious consideration...

Until then....

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 21:02 | 4912301 ZerOhead
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Record ice in the antarctic...

Over 2 million sq km positive anomaly... don't remember your new NASA GISS propagandist and data molester Gavin saying anything about how AGW increases sea ice in the SH.. perhaps you would care to explain...

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 23:05 | 4912699 Flakmeister
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Actually, the sea ice is increasing in part because warmer air enables more snow and the melting ice cap reduces the salinity thus raising the freezing point...

As expected....

Here the is land ice that is in freefall....

Whereas the ice up north is basically tied for the all time low on this date:

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 18:28 | 4911684 Flakmeister
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Almost forgot, abnormally high temperatures over 2% of the globe don't require much explanation...

Global Anomalies JUly 1936

compare that with

Global anomalies July 2012

Overall the Globe was almost 0.5 C warmer in 2012....

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 19:09 | 4911869 BigJim
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And how many of those temperatures were taken at airport meteorological stations surrounded by recently renewed (i.e., darker) asphalt? Or moved air-conditioning exhaust ducts? Or increased traffic?

Inquiring minds would like to know.

Or just 'estimated' from stations that are appear to being dropped because they're not reporting things getting hotter?

Looks like like Dana NuttyCello and the other losers over at Skeptical'Science' owe Mr Goddard an apology...

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 19:15 | 4911898 Flakmeister
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Why don;t you go to GISTEMP and learn how they use rural stations to correct for the UHI...

Be a hero, look it up for yourself...

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 20:43 | 4912249 ZerOhead
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Noone knows what's in the secret sauce for the UHI adjustments Sparky (adjustment procedure is never disclosed)... but we do know they are awfully low...

US urban vs. rural stations


Mon, 06/30/2014 - 20:58 | 4912294 Flakmeister
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Well, why doesn't someone of competence publish a paper...

Maybe they can ask this guy for pointers

or maybe you can stop being a hedgetard and read exactly how here


Mon, 06/30/2014 - 21:04 | 4912315 ZerOhead
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Climategate shed the light on your "peer review" procedures...

You guys should be ashamed... or incarcerated..

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 23:27 | 4912706 Flakmeister
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That's pretty old "newspaper clippings" that don't have much relevance, as if they ever did...

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 19:34 | 4911985 bbq on whitehou...
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You do realise the planet is coming out of an ice age or maybe you would rather have glacers in Texas.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 19:48 | 4912039 Flakmeister
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The peak temps after the last glacial maximum were 8,000 years ago or so...

We were in the expected cooling phase from the Milankovitch cycle...

So I would suggest you get your facts straight lest you continue to make a fool of yourself..

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 21:04 | 4912313 Greenskeeper_Carl
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I can also show you some charts about how great GDP was going to be today from 4 or 5 years ago. I can also show you some 'adjusted figures' for unemployment, job creation, inflation, labor force participation, etc. yet are all published by the top economists money can buy. It's the consensus, the data is settled, we are in a glorious recovery. GDP is going to shoot through the moon next quarter, just like all those little pacific island nations are going to be underwater a few years from now. My point in all this is that the main reason I don't believe any of that shit is that it comes from the same type of people and govt scientists that all that nonsense above comes from. All this global warming shit is for is to institute a 'carbon tax' on CO2 emissions. Which is pretty much all commerce, a global tax on fucking everything. What it will do is wipe out what is left of the middle class in all of the western world. Te tax is the main goal, wealth extraction. Global warming, sorry, 'climate change' is just the message win used to dupe people into accepting it, and you are falling for it like a good little serf

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 21:24 | 4912364 ZerOhead
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Hes' got his own "Climate Science" website or something Carl.

He's a "professional" climate propagandist.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 23:12 | 4912719 Flakmeister
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Carl,  no idea what you think GDP has to do with this... Do you have anything of relevance to add? Or do you just want to reinforce the idea that you are a paranoid whackadoo? 

BTW, your rich sociopaths took care of the middle class... 

Tue, 07/01/2014 - 00:06 | 4912823 Greenskeeper_Carl
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Geez, you really are dense. Re read my comment and try again. Not sure where you have read anything paranoid from me. GDP has a whole lot to do with it. The lack of growth. Commerce is grinding to a halt. But, all you here from every govt is how the recovery is right around the corner, any day now, of course they have data from all the top economics 'scientists' to back up their claims. Which are bullshit, same as almost everything else. So if you broadly reject most claims that come from these people, as I do, it makes no sense to blindly assume the climate 'scientists' they trot out to feed you your dose of bullshit are somehow more trustworthy than the Keynesian debt hustlers trotted out to tell me the key to fixing the economy is taking on moar debt. And I also don't see how you can't seem to accept that these 'rich sociopaths' (how are they mine, exactly?) aren't the same ones pushing this climate change narrative.

Tue, 07/01/2014 - 00:37 | 4912877 Flakmeister
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You demonstrate that you know SFA by comparing government figures on the economy to the temperature data of the past 150 years or so...

And you keep focusing about other economic nonsense when the debate is clearly about nothing to do with that...

And ZH keeps showing data that clearly indicates that the middle class started slipping in the 80s along with debt rocketing while the 1% lined their pockets...

Are you that fucking blind? Or are you incapable of studying a graph and identifying trends and inflection points...

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 19:01 | 4911834 BigJim
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Lulz.. the 'science' may be settled... but it looks like the data they 'work' with certainly isn't.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 19:26 | 4911945 Flakmeister
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As more information comes in and more robust techniques refined the corrections for TOBS, homogeneity etc... are routinely applied...

By the way here is global data before and after adjustments

"Comparison of global temperatures from raw and adjusted Global Historical Climatology Network (GHCN) v3 data, created by Zeke Hausfather."

This guy


Mon, 06/30/2014 - 19:41 | 4912018 bbq on whitehou...
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This planet has seen 8 ice ages. So sit down and read a book.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 20:01 | 4912080 knukles
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And we're headed into a Maunder Minimum, so I'm just gonna go tug one off and not worry about cosmic shit that is beyond men's control.

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