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Supreme Court Gives Obamacare Opponents Biggest Legal Victory Yet

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Moments ago the US Supreme Court - the same Supreme Court which two years ago upheld Obamacare but as a tax, something the administration has since sternly denied - dealt Obamacare its biggest legal blow to date, and alternatively handing Obamacare opponents their largest court victory yet, when in a 5-4 vote SCOTUS ruled that business owners can object on religious grounds to a provision of President Barack Obama's healthcare law that requires closely held private companies to provide health insurance that covers birth control. 

As Reuters notes, the justices ruled for the first time that for-profit companies can make claims under a 1993 federal law called the Religious Freedom Restoration Act (RFRA). One of the two cases was brought by arts-and-crafts retailer Hobby Lobby Stores Ltd, which is owned and operated by David and Barbara Green and their children, who are evangelical Christians. The other case was brought by Norman and Elizabeth Hahn, Mennonites who own Conestoga Wood Specialties Corp in Pennsylvania.  The justices said that such companies can seek an exemption from the so-called birth control mandate. The decision, which applies only to companies owned by a small number of individuals, means employees of those companies will have to obtain certain forms of birth control from other sources.

As expected, the Supreme Court, which is nothing but a gaggle of political activists, voted along ideological lines. As Reuters reports, Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg wrote a dissenting opinion on behalf of the liberal wing of the court.

"In a decision of startling breadth, the court holds that commercial enterprises, including corporations, along with partnerships and sole proprietorships, can opt out of any law ... they judge incompatible with their sincerely held religious beliefs," she wrote.

Americans, clearly having nothing better to worry about, promptly made their way to the SCOTUS building:

Hundreds of demonstrators on both side of one of the most contentious cases of the Supreme Court term converged on the court building, wearing costumes, chanting and carrying signs. Some demonstrators chanted, "Keep your boardroom out of my bedroom" and "Separate church and state, women must decide their fate." Signs carried by demonstrators offered contrasting views: "Obamacare - religious liberty First Amendment outlawed," "I am the pro-life generation," and "Birth control not my boss's business." One man dressed up as a copy of the Bible, brandishing a sign saying, "Use me not for your bigotry."

But while the impact on US healthcare from this ruling will be modest, the real consequence will be in Washington, where as Politico writes, "So much for the Obamacare comeback."

Just when the health care law seemed to be in a better place, with a big finish to the enrollment season and the early embarrassments fading into the background, the Supreme Court handed Obamacare’s opponents their biggest legal victory yet.

 

The contraception coverage mandate isn’t central to the law, the way the individual mandate is. By letting some closely held employers — like family-owned businesses — opt out of the coverage if they have religious objections, the justices haven’t blown a hole in the law that unravels its ability to cover millions of Americans. They didn’t even overturn the contraception coverage rule itself. They just carved out an exemption for some employers from one benefit, one that wasn’t even spelled out when the law was passed.

 

But politically, that doesn’t matter.

What matters is that the Supreme Court has ruled that the Obama administration overreached on one of the most sensitive cultural controversies in modern politics. And in doing so, the justices have given the Affordable Care Act one more setback that it didn’t need heading into the mid-term elections.

 

“This will remind people why they don’t like the ACA to begin with,” said Republican pollster Kellyanne Conway. “People do not believe that a president, no matter what party they’re from, should be overbearing or intrusive into their religious practices.”

 

Republican ad maker Brad Todd put it bluntly: “Anytime Obamacare is in the news, it’s a good thing for Republicans.”

 

The ruling also allows Republicans to say that Obama and his law have violated one of the most respected constitutional protections: freedom of religion.

 

“They’ve overreached, and they’ve overreached in an area that’s very sacred,” said Marjorie Dannenfelser, president of the Susan B. Anthony List.

That's great. However, it presupposes that Americans still care about such trivial items as freedom (of any kind). And, of course, the Constitution. Both are up for debate.

 

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Mon, 06/30/2014 - 11:59 | 4909745 Manthong
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Yay.. I am headed to Hobby Lobby to buy some more paper craft do-dads to spruce up the AK.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 11:59 | 4909756 Hippocratic Oaf
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Another blow for little-o

This pile of shit is getting high.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 12:08 | 4909798 RevRex
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What will that lying slut Sandra Fluke do now?

 

By her own admission she screws hundreds of guys a year.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 12:09 | 4909815 lordylord
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Women:  You helped sell out your fellow man for $8 per month birth control pills (generic).  Hope you're happy. 

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 12:15 | 4909845 SilverIsKing
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Buttfuckers of America (BOA) had no comment on the ruling.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 12:24 | 4909883 Raymond K Hessel
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Every hole is a goal!

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 12:33 | 4909936 Pladizow
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"The state — or, to make matters more concrete, the government — consists of a gang of men exactly like you and me. They have, taking one with another, no special talent for the business of government; they have only a talent for getting and holding office. Their principal device to that end is to search out groups who pant and pine for something they can’t get, and to promise to give it to them. Nine times out of ten that promise is worth nothing. The tenth time it is made good by looting ‘A’ to satisfy ‘B’. In other words, government is a broker in pillage, and every election is a sort of advanced auction on stolen goods." - H.L. Mencken

“Off goes the head of the king, and tyranny gives way to freedom. The change seems abysmal. Then, bit by bit, the face of freedom hardens, and by and by it is the old face of tyranny. Then another cycle, and another. But under the play of all these opposites there is something fundamental and permanent — the basic delusion that men may be governed and yet be free. “- H.L. Mencken

“I believe that liberty is the only genuinely valuable thing that men have invented, at least in the field of government, in a thousand years. I believe that it is better to be free than to be not free, even when the former is dangerous and the latter safe. I believe that the finest qualities of man can flourish only in free air—that progress made under the shadow of the policeman’s club is false progress, and of no permanent value. I believe that any man who takes the liberty of another into his keeping is bound to become a tyrant, and that any man who yields up his liberty, in however slight the measure, is bound to become a slave. . . .In any dispute between a citizen and the government, it is my instinct to side with the citizen . . . I am against all efforts to make men virtuous by law.” - H.L. Mencken

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 12:49 | 4910029 Amish Hacker
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"Politics: the conduct of public affairs for private advantage."   Ambrose Bierce

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 13:09 | 4910128 SWRichmond
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so SCOTUS says a privately held company can object to a federal regulation on religious grounds?  

SWEET!

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 13:57 | 4910368 TimmyB
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Actually, it just held that the religious rights held by the owners of private corporations outweigh those of their employees. Is this really a good idea?

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 14:10 | 4910437 mkhs
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The employees are indentured?  If you don't like the employer, find a new one.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 16:40 | 4911226 MeMadMax
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Well, ain't this a hoot.

I went over to huffingtonpost to take a peek at what the phycopaths are saying(it's always good to keep an eye on the crazies and your opponents, sometimes I do it for a good laugh)

 

AND THEY ARE PULLING THEIR HAIR OUT!

 

Which means this is a good thing that the supreme court just did... for once...

 

>_>

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 17:12 | 4911309 TimmyB
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Why should a shareholder's religious beliefs trump the employees'?  Additionally,  aren't corporations supposed to be artificial persons seperate from the shareholders?   This ruling eviscerates corporate law and employees' religious rights.  

And find a new job, in the middle of our current dedepression,  isn't a serious answer.

Tue, 07/01/2014 - 00:49 | 4912893 mkhs
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The minute an employer hires someone, he loses his rights?

The employee is not bound to the employer.  It is a mutual agreement.  If the employee does not like the employer's rules, he is free to leave.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 13:59 | 4910373 Never One Roach
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I'm guessing the Supremes are then going to take care for all those unwanted low iq trolls?

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 12:15 | 4909847 Vampyroteuthis ...
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We wake up tomorrow and read in the headlines on ZH, "Obamacare repealed"......... wait that was just a nice dream mixed into this nightmare.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 12:18 | 4909859 duo
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It is interesting that the Supremes no longer seem to be afraid of NSA blackmail, and may actually consider the consititution in their opinions.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 12:23 | 4909879 john39
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this is a meaningless bone thrown to the masses...  if anything, this is yet another back door way to equate corporations with humans...   corporations are fictional...  just another cog in the usury machine that is our current world.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 12:26 | 4909894 Raymond K Hessel
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SCOTUS asked if we can provide alternatives to religious non-profits why can't HHS do the same for for-profits.  This means Obama works around the ruling by using the same tracks built to accommodate baby-killers working for religious non-profits. 

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 13:29 | 4910242 plane jain
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Using birth control does not equal baby killer.

Many women need to use birth control pills to regulate their menstrual cycle.  If you don't know that then I presume that you don't socialize much with women, for whatever reason.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 14:35 | 4910581 detached.amusement
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in my experience, those are exactly the ones you want to stay the fug away from

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 15:49 | 4910989 TBT or not TBT
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We want leftist women to not reproduce, but we ask them to do so on their own fucking dime. Bareback fucking is a privately made choice.  Getting pregnant from doing so indicates a healthy body, not a disease condition.   If someone needs the pill to make their cycle more comfortable, that is again a choice, and the cost of it is very low. Much lower than cheap cell phone plan or a.single tank of gas.   There is no need for "insurance" against an expense of such trifling size.   Insurance is for lower probability treatments of far higher cost.   

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 12:34 | 4909916 Eyeroller
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It is interesting that Justice Roberts no longer seems to be afraid of NSA blackmail, and may actually consider the consititution in his opinions.

 

Fixed it.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 13:02 | 4910093 Bangin7GramRocks
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Hip hip hooray! More unwanted babies! I'm absolutely sure these religious folks will all adopt 15 to 20 each. It's totally what Jesus would do.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 13:05 | 4910106 lordylord
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"Hip hip hooray! More unwanted babies! I'm absolutely sure these religious folks will all adopt 15 to 20 each."

Boy!  Libtards hate guns but love to hold a figurative one to your head.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 14:20 | 4910494 tarsubil
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Just because you were unwanted doesn't mean you have to continue the cycle of your parents.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 13:23 | 4910200 Bangin7GramRocks
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.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 12:10 | 4909822 Headbanger
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And I'm gettin me some pretty shit for my SKS!

Hmmm.. I wonder what they got for making my own paper targets??

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 12:10 | 4909824 Meat Hammer
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Wait!  Are you saying one must be responsible for one's own choices???

The horror! 

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 12:31 | 4909921 Eyeroller
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What's next?  Insisting that the people of Detroit pay their water bill?

Oh, wait...

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 12:50 | 4910041 Amish Hacker
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When the people of Ukraine pay their gas bill.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 12:59 | 4910080 XitSam
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I find the #RightToWater protests in Detroit an example of how socialists are willing to make other people be their slaves.

Detroit is right on a river/lake with water to be collected for free, but that's not good enough for them, they want purified water delivered to their house without paying for it, (because it is a right).  This purification and delivery would require equipment and people.  I don't think there are many people that have their life's goal to work for free in a municipal water department.  But the socialists are willing to force someone to do it for free, making them, in effect, slaves.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 12:09 | 4909812 Jethro
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Ha!  I call him LC for Little Ceasar...

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 12:52 | 4910046 RevRex
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I call him NEgRO, as in NEgRO fiddles while Rome burns......

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 15:55 | 4911027 TBT or not TBT
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If we are doing musician metaphors, I'd say he is more like the pied piper.  He is playing the cloward and piven marching music, right off the cliff.  He intends to destroy the USA a fast as he can get away with it.  He's very active and willing, not just fiddling in some corner.  

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 12:34 | 4909930 firstdivision
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Is Hobby Lobby a 501(c)?  So next up they can try to go around and fire employees that are not Christian, and argue that discrimination thing.  This is a slippery slope. 

"Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between Church and State."

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 13:04 | 4909985 Dr. Venkman
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not really.

 

Edit: Firstdiv  (btw - I did not junk you.)

To clarify -- this ruling is so narrow that it is essentially useless, except maybe a small nominal victory for freedom from an overbearing gov't and maybe a black eye to the administration.

"The principal dissent raises the possibility that discrimination in hiring, for example on the basis of race, might be cloaked as religious practice to escape legal sanction. See post, at 32–33. Our decision today provides no such shield. The Government has a compelling interest in providing an equal opportunity to participate in the work force without regard to race, and prohibitions on racial discrimination are precisely tailored to achieve that critical goal."

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 13:53 | 4910352 plane jain
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Thanks for the clarification.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 14:48 | 4910642 holmes
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Does this mean I have to pay for my condoms. What is this crazy-ass Govt going to do next?

take away my obama phone

take away my food stamps

take away my section 8 grant

take away my medicaid

take away my kid's school lunches.

Time for a little riotin.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 11:58 | 4909746 El Vaquero
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Fall whereever you want on the whole church and state issue.  This kind of shit wouldn't be such an issue if the government wasn't involved in every-fucking-thing.

 

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 12:00 | 4909750 LawsofPhysics
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Yes, apparently everybody wants someone else to pay for things they want.

That aside, the danger I see here is yet another "law" that only applies to certain people. (despite people=corporation)

Fascism 101.

Hedge accordingly.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 12:04 | 4909782 alien-IQ
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I'm fairly certain that no man will be adversely affected by his inability to procure birth control pills.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 12:06 | 4909794 LawsofPhysics
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No shit sherlock, hence the difference between need and want.  No very good at reading comphrehension are you?

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 12:12 | 4909834 Meat Hammer
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LOP, it's just that our country needs a refresher course on the difference between "rights" and "privileges".

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 12:14 | 4909844 alien-IQ
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we're way past that. now only the privileged have rights. a fact which surely pleases you.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 12:22 | 4909870 LawsofPhysics
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Meh, please, that which cannot be sustained, won't be.

Regardless of what any one species "thinks" or "believes".

Hedge accordingly.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 12:23 | 4909872 Meat Hammer
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Cute.  I'm sure you thought of that line yourself.

And don't call me Shirley!

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 12:27 | 4909903 Tasty Sandwich
Mon, 06/30/2014 - 14:06 | 4910398 Never One Roach
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<< I'm fairly certain that no man will be adversely affected by his inability to procure birth control pills. >>

 

Just wait until you have to pay child support for all those one-night stands with those double-baggers.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 13:20 | 4910189 moroots
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And yet the INVERSE relationship between individual liberty and size/scope of centralized authority somehow escapes unnoticed once again.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 12:15 | 4909848 Iriestx
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More like Liberalism 101.

 

"Everything I like is a 'human right' and should be paid for by somebody else.  Everything I don't like should be banned."

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 12:22 | 4909869 lordylord
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"More like Liberalism 101."

You're giving liberals too much credit.  They don't entertain the notion that what they get for "free" was actually paid for by another person.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 12:25 | 4909891 Meat Hammer
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Man, the statist libtards are scurrying all over the place today...like cockroaches when light is shined on them.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 12:59 | 4910083 SheepDog-One
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Yea! I saw the Sunday inside the beltway talking head douchebags discussing this and they all thought certainly the USSC would vote in favor of Obungler, the only debate was if it would be 9-0 or there might be 1 dissenter for an 8-1.....they must be all 'OMG WTF' today.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 13:14 | 4910154 Meat Hammer
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I bit my lip and watched MSNBC for 5 minutes to see what the statists were saying.  The meme now is that this is good for Hillary because the electorate will now want a POTUS who appoints more progressive justices.  Bwahahahahahahaha!!!

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 13:05 | 4910104 XitSam
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If you see one, there's ten times as many hiding in the walls.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 13:27 | 4910225 Bangin7GramRocks
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Don't worry, I still need to pay for all of your cholesterol pills, motorized carts and cancer drugs because you dumb fucks eat and drink like shit. Why should I need to pay for bad habits?

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 12:28 | 4909910 Surging Chaos
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"More like Progressivism 101."

Fixed. I don't really like using the term "liberal" because it was hijacked by progressives. Plus I've been re-reading some of Mises and Hayek and I like how in their time libertarians were still considered liberals and today's "liberals" were still called progressives. ;)

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 12:37 | 4909948 lordylord
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"More like degenerative behavior 101"

We all know the differences around here, but why even use Progressive?  Let's call them what they are: Thieves, murderers, and usurpers...enablers of the State.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 16:02 | 4911054 TBT or not TBT
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Their women do like to get fucked bareback.  Based on their testimony.  

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 12:31 | 4909918 WillyGroper
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Yes, we all WANT 7 billion more unwanted hungry mouths to feed MonSatan poison that we pay for thru taxation.

We NEED that.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 11:59 | 4909753 Catullus
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Isn't birth control like $8 a month? Even without prescription drug "coverage".

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 12:01 | 4909765 SheepDog-One
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Well maybe, but that's not the point.....everything is supposed to be FREE for Ogolfers Free Shit Army. 

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 12:32 | 4909923 BurningFuld
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Interesting debate here.

In Canada the Provinces will pay for Birth Control Pills IF you reach a deductible co-pay amount based on family income. (You need to be below the poverty line before you would ever get them covered...or on an expensive chronic med. to bring you up to your deductible.) Private insurance 95% of the time does NOT pay for Birth Control. And it's just never even been an issue here???? Maybe because nobody is forcing the Private companies to do anything...thus the term Private.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 12:32 | 4909926 Nick Jihad
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True, but the REAL point is that this was a benefit going exclusively to women. That is why the Obama admin was happy to fight tooth and nail over it - to demonstrate loyalty to feminists.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 12:38 | 4909966 Meat Hammer
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Time to dust off the "War on Women" playbook in 3-2-1...

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 13:05 | 4910105 Cathartes Aura
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zero mention of the coveted, over-used,

blue pill

Viagra.

well done ZH, play to your audience.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 13:17 | 4910174 Meat Hammer
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You're comparing apples to Eggo waffles.  You must be a progressive.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 13:29 | 4910237 Bangin7GramRocks
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How is it different?

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 13:50 | 4910336 Meat Hammer
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When boner meds conflict with Christian beliefs then it will be the same.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 13:30 | 4910240 Cathartes Aura
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whatever label works for yer mind dude.

keep hammering that meat. . .

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 13:43 | 4910307 WillyGroper
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danger, danger

gut busted laughing!

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 14:46 | 4910534 Dangertime
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Erectile Disfunction is a disfunction.

 

Pregnancy is not a disfunction.  And it does apply to religious values.

 

As another said, comparing two things which are completely different.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 16:11 | 4911110 TBT or not TBT
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Pregnancies are indeed supposed to result from bareback fucking.  That's indicative of a healthy woman.  Infertility is a disease, in either sex, and often is costly to treat.   Viagra, where indicated to treat male infertility, is pretty goddamned cheap.  Birth control pills do not treat infertility.   They cause it.  

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 12:25 | 4909888 Tulpa
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Depends on whether you're using Ms. Fluke's gold-foil condoms that cost $20,000 a year.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 12:32 | 4909924 WillyGroper
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It was in the 70's.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 11:59 | 4909754 SheepDog-One
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1-2 punch and DOWN goes Ogolfer! My goodness, his noodly arms couldn't withstand the onslaught of the champ!

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 11:59 | 4909755 SPQR753
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The Pill costs about 30-60 dollars a month --which is a helluva lot cheaper than having a child.  You can get free, full-size sample packs from your doctor's office if that's too expensive, as I did for four years when uninsured.  You can also get free or reduced-price contraceptives from Planned Parenthood, and if you're a student you can get supplies from your student health center. 

 

There are ways around this, if you know how to work the system.  I guess too many people think that, if you can't get it through insured health care, you can't get it at all.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 12:04 | 4909774 SheepDog-One
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All that sounds like a lot of work and Ogolfers Free Shit Army is just all about gettin free shit and chillin.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 12:06 | 4909796 Hippocratic Oaf
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'Work the system'

The 1st rule of the gimme-dats

fuck 'em, put on a condom or BUY YOUR OWN SHIT!

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 12:16 | 4909831 lordylord
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"The Pill costs about 30-60 dollars a month"

You can get generics for $8 per month.   

Who down-voted the above fact?  I didn't even include an opinion.  Does Fluke have an account here?

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 12:20 | 4909850 Theta_Burn
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...And here i am thinking that any medication actually cost money.

Luckily Obama reworked everything so the system works us now..

A private, independant OB-GYN could make this available for a few dollars a month, but now hes held hostage, with 10's of thousands of .gov employees, pushing paper left and right, and well, somebody has to pay...

 

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 12:17 | 4909853 Cruel Aid
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Give everybody the abortion pill, an abortion, and the birth control pill.... oops we need people... OPEN the friggin borders and send welcome brochures to Mexico and southward. Put on it "just get here and we will give you a ticket to fly anywhere you want all life services included.

Problem solved!!

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 12:45 | 4910008 Dangertime
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Let's be honest here though.

 

The issue at hand is not about whether it is cheaper to supply contraception or to pay for the baby.

 

The core issue is whether people are forced to subsidize h0rs.  If some women want to be h0rs, that's great.  It's a free country and they can do as they wish.  If they want me to pay so that they CAN be h0rs, then of course that isn't freedom, it just means I'm paying for people other than me to have sex and I'm somehow getting fvked in the process.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 12:56 | 4910067 waterhorse
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yeah, because all these h0rs are having sex by themselves....facepalm.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 13:08 | 4910124 Cathartes Aura
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I love it when the ZH crowd really puts on their thinking caps and shows their intelligence

relative to the systems they choose to live/believe in.

*yawns*

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 13:41 | 4910297 waterhorse
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yeah, sometimes I really wonder.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 14:22 | 4910509 Never One Roach
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<< True, but the REAL point is that this was a benefit going exclusively to women. >>

 

How much does an unwanted baby cost society?

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 16:16 | 4911129 TBT or not TBT
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It should cost society very little.  But progressives make it cost society a lot, and then use that argument to push for yet more social engineering, atop the social engineering that increased the problems to begin with.  Take LBJ's Great Society, please.   Or Kennedy's 1965 immigration reform.  Or socialised medicine justifying Nanny rules about about private behavior.  Etc.  

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 13:33 | 4910253 plane jain
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Yes and because of course no women using birth control are, oh, married or anything.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 13:35 | 4910272 waterhorse
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and the pill can't be used to help treat endometriosis, POD, hormonal imablance, etc.  It's only for h0rs!

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 14:30 | 4910547 Dangertime
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Given that Sandra Fluke talked about contraception for the sake of fvking men, yes it was for the h0rs.  Nice try though.....

 

 

Now open your wallet so she can open her legs!  God knows a $1 condom is asking too much of her.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 14:32 | 4910562 waterhorse
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You're an idiot.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 14:48 | 4910649 Dangertime
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Since all you have left is name-calling then it seems obvious who's argument is stronger.

 

But since you support the open-leg tax so much, send your daughter my way so we can all get our money's worth!

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 14:28 | 4910540 Dangertime
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The h0rs are the one's demanding we pay for it.

 

I don't see men out there demanding we pay for their condoms.

 

<Facepalm> right back at ya cupcake.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 14:33 | 4910567 waterhorse
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No, they just demand we pay for their Cialis and Viagra.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 14:49 | 4910662 Dangertime
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Well, medical insurance is supposed to cover disfunctions, is it not?

 

And religions do have a right to not subsidize behavior which counters their religion, don't they?

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 12:00 | 4909759 I woke up
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Looks like Justice Roberts got his blackmail situation with his adopted kids handled

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 12:01 | 4909763 AustrianJim
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Pretty narrow victory, 5-4 on a religious exemption. Call me when the Supreme Court decides to reverse socialism.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 12:08 | 4909806 rubiconsolutions
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Well said. +1000. This is just a distraction. The law remains intact by in large. 

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 12:21 | 4909865 TBT or not TBT
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Too bad that two years ago Roberts didn't add to his majority opinion that, BTW because the mandate is a tax, the ACA is motherfucking REVENUE BILL, which makes the entire thing null and void, game over, buh-bye:  Revenue bills must originate in the House.   The entirety of the text comes from the Senate, including even the title.   The only thing preserved from the stub house bill it was overwritten upon was the number.   

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 12:38 | 4909953 WillyGroper
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"which makes the entire thing null and void"

You mean like the constitution & bor?

I don't remember who said it, but 

"it's just a goddamned piece of paper".  

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 12:40 | 4909975 Meat Hammer
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The difference is I don't need a piece of paper and people in black robes to tell me what my rights are?

 

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 12:14 | 4909819 Mercury
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Really, this should have nothing to do with religion.

The purpose of insurance is not to cover regular, predictible expenses.

But SCOTUS already accurately ID'd Obamacare as a tax didn't they?

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 12:19 | 4909861 dbach
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That reminds me that my hardwood floors need refinishing, gonna call my homeowners insurance agent over lunch break...

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 12:36 | 4909949 Meat Hammer
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Ooh, thanks for reminding me....my car needs new brakes badly because I made the choice to drive an additional 20,000 miles with skinny brake pads.  Let me call Geico and have them cover that.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 12:41 | 4909984 WillyGroper
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I can remember a time when insurance was for catastophic coverage & dr. visits plus any meds were affordable & didn't bankrupt you.

It's the insurance parasite/pharma that's corrupted the medical payment system. 

Allopathic medicine is another issue entirely. 

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 12:02 | 4909764 Smegley Wanxalot
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So Judge Roberts, you shit-sucking hypocritical tyranny-enabling bitch, does this mean that if I have a religious objection to taxation, that I can tell the IRS to fuck the hell off and die?

Yeah, didn't think so.  Government is nothing but a bunch of power-tripping cunts, all of whom need the ISIS-treatment.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 12:02 | 4909769 TalkToLind
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Every so often, TalkToLind isn't able to fire on all cylinders.  Therefore, I feel it is my employer's DUTY to pay for my Viagra prescription.  I am entitled to this!  It's for the chillrens...literally.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 12:05 | 4909788 alien-IQ
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it is covered.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 12:09 | 4909818 TalkToLind
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Then as country we're skrewed.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 12:13 | 4909835 alien-IQ
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we weren't before this?

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 12:02 | 4909772 alien-IQ
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Viagra, on the other hand, is still covered.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 13:10 | 4910132 Cathartes Aura
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*crickets*

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 13:14 | 4910156 waterhorse
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Hey, maybe it's gawd's swill when the old tallywhacker no longer works.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 13:21 | 4910186 Meat Hammer
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Yeah, that's pretty inconsistent.  You must want Obamacare repealed then...right???  I mean, you point out that it's clearly a poorly-written law. 

You're confident that it could be repealed, re-written, and supported by the American voters again, right?  RIGHT???!!!

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 13:33 | 4910254 Cathartes Aura
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you got a lot of mileage out of my single word posted.

thanks for showing how captured minds "work". . .

eye don't vote or use State-Corpse death care

nor do eye use Pharma-Corpse pill-age.

ewe, on the other palm, are free to believe what ewe like.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 12:04 | 4909783 One And Only
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The government can still put a gun to my head and force me to buy a product (health insurance). 

murica

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 12:58 | 4910076 Frank N. Beans
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if it's a tax, yeah

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 12:05 | 4909784 Fred123
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Whats the 'Constitution'?

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 12:09 | 4909817 rubiconsolutions
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"Whats the 'Constitution'?"

Mostly a feckless screed. 

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 12:05 | 4909786 Chuck Knoblauch
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Closely held corporations can express their religious beliefs?

Positive news for small business owners.

Just don't fuck with the gay mafia!

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 12:09 | 4909808 alien-IQ
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actually, what this does is allow certain business owners to impose their religious beliefs on the private lives of their employees.

while they refuse to provide birth control, they also refuse to provide paid maternity leave.

I would not be surprised if the supreme court passes a law that gives corporations the power to determine their employees sexual partners...and how often they are allowed to fuck.

 

 

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 12:21 | 4909866 moonman
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They refuse certain types of birth control. like morning after pills.

No laws require any employer to provide paid time off.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 13:11 | 4910145 Cathartes Aura
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oh dear, isn't that the pill of choice

the Good Doctor Paul prescribes?

 

what to think? what to think?  oh dear!!!

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 12:25 | 4909890 SoCalBusted
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You can chose your employer, but not your government (which is purchased for you by others).

 

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 12:34 | 4909933 Meat Hammer
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I would not be surprised if the supreme court passes a law that gives corporations the power to determine their employees sexual partners...and how often they are allowed to fuck.

Do you even have the ability to form a coherent thought?

Tell me more about how corporations force people to work for them, because in my world if a company doesn't offer what I want, I don't work for it.  And if it's the only job I can find I'm not going to be picky.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 13:40 | 4910288 plane jain
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Doesn't seem too much of a stretch to say if these companies can cut coverage for birth control for religous reasons then they could also refuse to employ/promote anyone who is gay/lesbian/trans etc. and avoid any kind of anti-discrimination prosecution using the same argument.

 

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 14:01 | 4910386 Meat Hammer
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Not much a stretch?  You should be a contortionist!  Anti-discrimination laws already exist!  This ruling is for one section of one specific law.

It's like you're saying next thing you know they'll be able to shoot gays and not go to jail because shooting gays is ok according to their religion.

Grow up.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 13:35 | 4910262 Bangin7GramRocks
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All in the name of "less gubmint" right.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 16:02 | 4911040 ajax
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"I would not be surprised if the supreme court passes a law that gives corporations the power to determine their employees sexual partners...and how often they are allowed to fuck."

Don't need a law, corporate credit cards already exist! The corporate expense account for " client entertainment" already exists!

 

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 12:07 | 4909799 I Write Code
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It's an amazingly small "win" for freedom, what it shows is there is no freedom too small for the Obamanation to want to eliminate.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 12:07 | 4909800 Prof Gulliver
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SCOTUS orders strict cellphone privacy law =  9 of 9 justices own cellphones

This decision = 6 of 9 justices don't have vaginas.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 12:12 | 4909832 insanelysane
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Are you looking for seperate but equal Supreme Courts???  Do woman criminals get all female juries with a female judge?  What about males?  What about the transgendered?  

 

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 12:38 | 4909961 Nick Jihad
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Check your arithmetic - you may be wrong about Breyer.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 12:08 | 4909807 Agent P
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Looks like the Hobby Lobby girls will have to stick to BJs and anal. 

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 12:13 | 4909836 gafgroocK
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What is wrong with that?

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 12:13 | 4909837 insanelysane
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Don't think we have Hobby Lobby around here but the local craft superstore is staffed by women well over 50.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 12:09 | 4909816 rum_runner
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Next I'd like to see employers given the option to deny medical insurance to fatties and smokers.  Both are choices just like sex is and I personally find them objectionable.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 12:31 | 4909929 Cruel Aid
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That is a good point. Why the hell does a smoker get a 25% rate hike when BMI breakers get a pass. Morbidly obeise is as bad or worse than smoking, with respect to medical cost over their lifetime.

Smokers... boom cancer... done

Overeaters...cancer, diabetes, blood pressure, birth issues. jeez etc

Its nuts how these dipshits think.

I'd like a rate break for not smoking,limiting the foods that I crave but don't eat and sweating my ass off when I don't really like the act of exercise.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 12:53 | 4910052 WillyGroper
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They won't deny you, but your premiums will be comenserate with risk based on your BMI. 

The LAST time I went for a physical, all my info was digitized in Jonathan Bush's Athena database, which I can assure you is NOT secure. 

For grins, I asked Siri how to calculate BMI. I didn't get the formula, what I got were MY results from that physical. 

If your BMI is over 25 - Bohica for you.

Be careful what you wish for.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 12:10 | 4909820 insanelysane
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I am thinking the Supreme Court decided to ease on the brakes a bit.  In the UK, they cover breast enlargements.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 12:13 | 4909841 Agent P
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Well that just makes sense. 

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 12:47 | 4910015 madcows
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The US covers breast augmentation FOR MEN!  Wanna get gender bender treatment, just come to the Good Ol USA.  It's taxpayer funded.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 12:14 | 4909843 Seasmoke
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No unfortunately I'm not against ripping fetuses violently out of the womb.....send me that $500 Obamacare invoice instead. 

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 12:15 | 4909849 rum_runner
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We're talking about birth control here but don't let that stop you from shiming in your opinion about a different topic.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 12:15 | 4909846 moneybots
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 "Keep your boardroom out of my bedroom" 

The court ruling does not prohibit any one from buying any legal contraceptive, so the boardroom won't be in anyone's bedroom.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 12:19 | 4909860 Tulpa
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I agree with the decision, but it actually helps the Dems.  You just know they're going to use it to ramp up their idiotic "War on Women" propaganda this election season.  

As a bonus they get to accuse Republicans of letting your employer force you to die on the operating table for lack of a blood transfusion.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 12:21 | 4909867 overmedicatedun...
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it's a bad law, with many many problems, anyone want to bet the liberal left will ignore this ruling? or add a band aid like .gov free bc pills to one and all thus removing the cost to business and putting it on us tax payers who have no say in how taxes and our debt are spent. .gov is not getting smaller by this ruling.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 12:22 | 4909871 WillyGroper
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no doubt mr. green will give equal weight to viagra & also his investments for his employee 401k's & the very companies that procure that evil birth control. 

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