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"What Do You Want For Free?"

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Via Martin Armstrong of Armstrong Economics,

Why shouldn’t the rich pay more taxes?

 

 

There are not enough billionaires to pay the bill for everyone else. Job growth since 1948 in government reached 310% in 2009 compared to 170% in non-farm private jobs. Male job growth has increased only 65% since 1948 on par with population growth while female job growth has increased about 135%. Women won the right to work, but lost the right to stay home.

The problem is NOT that the rich do not pay enough, it is that government takes too much from the economy as a whole. You can listen to the propaganda all you want and believe they will only target the rich. But they ALWAYS go after everyone. There are videos of IRS agents dragging pregnant women out of their cars leaving them on the streets and confiscating the cars. The latest is taking your money claiming some family member owed them money.

My point is not to protect the billionaires – it is to protect society from those that plunder everything we have. The only viable solution is to restrict the size of government. I disagree with the social state for it would be cheaper for just about everything to be private and far less corruption. They started the income tax swearing they were only targeting the rich – lie. Then they started the payroll tax so they could give you social security – now people pay more in SS than taxes and they keep raising the age and reducing the payouts.

If you want to believe these people are honest and care about you, great. Have a nice dream.

When it comes time to collect – well you will discover your entire life trusting them was wrong. Then what? You die in some ditch dead broke and nothing to support you when you can no longer work? Believe what you want. The Jews were offered free showers. What do you want for free?

 

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Mon, 06/30/2014 - 12:32 | 4909934 Theta_Burn
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Birth control pills?

A chicken?

A tank of gas?...

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 12:38 | 4909945 hedgeless_horseman
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Sun, rain, horse manure, and CO2.

I will gladly pay the opportunity cost and begrudgingly pay the property taxes.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 12:39 | 4909968 Pladizow
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Gimmy my Obama phone, nigga!

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 12:49 | 4910006 hedgeless_horseman
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Home-grown grass-fed beef and tomatoes, egg plant, onions, and peppers from our garden.  Not exactly financially free, but guilt free and worry free.  If you don't raise it, harvest it, and prepare it, then you don't really know what it is.

What would this meal cost at a restaurant or grocery store?

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 12:55 | 4910025 Pladizow
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Looks like a 1970 Polish nursing home dinner set?

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 13:04 | 4910077 hedgeless_horseman
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Thanks! 

I also want my health for free.  We run 3-4 times per week in homemade sandals and do push-ups and pull-ups...gravity is free!

Essentially zero cost...and fantastic results.

Enjoy your treadmills and gym memberships.

Yoga is almost free, too.

2. With this book there is no need to attend a class to try or practice yoga.

Yoga Kundalini, For Body, Mind, and Beyond, by Ravi Singh, $7.99

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 13:05 | 4910107 Pladizow
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Why do Americans feel the need to put their personal life on display?

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 13:20 | 4910120 hedgeless_horseman
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When you share your opinions, are you not doing the same?

I can only speak for myself.  If more Americans took care of themselves, then I wouldn't be forced to pay for other's food and healthcare.  Wishfull thinking, I know.

I guess my message is this:  Doing for one's self is rewarding, simple, and not out of reach.  We didn't come from rural homes.  I am sorry if you take offense, as none is intended.

Peace.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 13:24 | 4910212 Pladizow
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No offense taken. I'm just being a little bit of a dick.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 13:46 | 4910320 Hulk
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Careful man , he cooks dick and serves it in a home made bernaise sauce !

Damn you HH, I haven't had a thing to eat all day and you go and post one of your awesome looking dishes...

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 14:09 | 4910423 NoDebt
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I think HH may have stumbled across the answer here, accidentally.  No, not growing your own food.  TAXING GRAVITY.  Hell, we're about to start directly taxing CO2 (which is also free since you exhale it with every breath), why not tax gravity?  The fatter you are, the more you pay.  

And, Hulk, he did the same thing to me about 2 weeks running last year.  An hour before lunch like clockwork.  I've forgiven him, though.  

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 14:47 | 4910638 0b1knob
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< To kidnap an heiress and threaten her with a knife.

< A baby's arm holding an apple.

 

 

What do you want (for free) from life?

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 17:22 | 4911350 mc225
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tubes?

Tue, 07/01/2014 - 19:32 | 4915708 MontgomeryScott
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"< A baby's arm holding an apple." You DO understand what The Tubes were describing, of course.

Ah... VIAGRA! Sign ME UP for 'Bamacare!

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 13:40 | 4910294 nuclearsquid
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What kind of at-home setup does it take to process that cow?  Not griefing, just curious.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 14:07 | 4910329 hedgeless_horseman
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  1. Some good rope and a block and tackle
  2. Skinning knife
  3. Butcher knife
  4. Wetstone
  5. Bonesaw
  6. Butcher paper
  7. Freezer tape
  8. Meatgrinder
  9. Wax pencil or Sharpie pen
  10. Freezer

Of course, the mother-of-all-conveniences is a band saw.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 14:10 | 4910431 NoDebt
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"You'll put your eye out."

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 14:37 | 4910589 ATM
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You forgot the gun and single bullet.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 14:49 | 4910659 hedgeless_horseman
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Mankind was slaughtering animals long before gunpowder was invented.  A knife is much safer and far less traumatic for the animal.

Tue, 07/01/2014 - 19:37 | 4915724 MontgomeryScott
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"A knife is much safer" (unless the animal is a grizzly bear or a cougar or a mountain lion or a pack of wolves; in which case the kife IS much safer...for the animal).

NAW, give me the gun. I have plenty of knives already.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 16:04 | 4911075 bunnyswanson
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Oprah, Jerry Springer, the rest of the talk show hosts made being neurotic in a dysfunctional home fashionable and something that should be discussed.  No longer a polite society, we now wear our hearts on our sleeves and feel arrogant and happily announce to the world miserable luck and limited ability to function. 

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 13:35 | 4910260 pakled
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Yoga is almost free, too.

 

Consider this as well. Also can google and youtube the info. Old school philosophy that short duration peak exercise is preferable to aerobic workouts.

 

Remember this: Keith Richards outlived Jim Fixx.

 

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 13:50 | 4910338 thamnosma
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My gym membership costs $10/month so don't feel too superior.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 13:53 | 4910353 hedgeless_horseman
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I don't feel superior.  I am happy for you!

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 15:14 | 4910817 Meat Hammer
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I never take HH's comments as bragging or showing a superiority complex.  He just wants to remind everyone that there is a better life outside of the matrix, and it just takes some sweat and focus to get there.

I, for one, applaud you, HH.  You inspire me.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 13:53 | 4910348 Miffed Microbio...
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I actually prefer to do yoga in a professional studio. I like to practice at 95- 104 deg (depending on the type of yoga) and 40% humidity. Practicing with a dedicated group of people has a unique experience and energy. Quite Spiritual, really. Yes, it does cost money but if I can no longer afford it, the studio is willing to give free yoga in exchange for cleaning.

I have done yoga at home but I haven't been able to replicate the experience but I heartily agree running in nature is fabulous. More people should put down the electronics and go outside. At least for a walk if they aren't in shape. Who knows where it would lead if people unplugged a few minutes a day?

Miffed;-)

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 14:00 | 4910375 WillyGroper
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you are one smart/tough cookie!

do you use a microscope or a telescope?

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 14:33 | 4910571 zuuma
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I'm out of breath just reading about your excercise program.

 

Got any gravy with that beef?

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 12:49 | 4910030 Der Wille Zur Macht
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~$20 + tip.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 13:15 | 4910164 Old Man River
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Hey that's great work right there!

 

I honestly don't think one can put a price tag on a meal like that. Never tried that mix of tomatoes, egg plant, onions, and peppers before.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 15:44 | 4910961 Dr. Destructo
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Hmm, that does look good, and I definitely love the dinnerware.

My arrangement for free food is that I contribute my labor to a local organic farm, and then I take some food home with me after the work is done. We don't slaughter any animals, as we use them for eggs and milk, but usually those who do have grass fed beef bring it here to share, and volunteers also do the cooking while we're out in the fields. It's a nice arrangement since we all build a sustainable and ethical community that's separate from all the consumer whoredom these days, that and I build a reputation as a knowledgeable and hard-working farmer amongst the people.

Come to think of it, when the SHTF we would actually have a turn-key village on our hands.

I also have an organic garden where I grow my food in plastic containers since I live in the city to supplement the food I get from the farm.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 12:36 | 4909950 Headbanger
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Ammo, moar guns, good tequila, good scotch, steak, Doritos, beef jerky, a nice truck, a good dog, a boat, beer, pizza, a new roof, more camo clothes, occasional younger poontang (mute) and an SU-25!

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 13:51 | 4910345 thamnosma
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but not Chinese jerky.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 15:20 | 4910831 Meat Hammer
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Mute.  Definitely mute.

There are few greater boner repellants than a talkative 20-something chick.

Tue, 07/01/2014 - 20:05 | 4915831 MontgomeryScott
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"There are few greater boner repellants than a talkative 20-something chick."

I actually laughed out loud when I saw the line 'boner repellants'! It's like 'RAID' (t.m.) for the singles bars! A 'Valley Girl' on STEROIDS! OHMYGAWD! TOTALLEEE! I'M SURE!

I'm not sure that 'mute' is correct. They need to have a limited vocabulary.

'Yes!'. 'Oh, yes!'. Oh, fuck yeah!'. 'Can I (enter the word or phrase here) it?'. 'Would you like some more?'. 'Don't stop!'. 'I like the way you (enter descriptive phrase) my (enter body orifice of choice)!'. 'It's SO BIG!'.

The Japanese are making great strides in perfecting the artificial sex doll things. It's too bad they're all radioactive.

(I gave you a green arrow, by the way. I don't mean to sound like you guys are being pricks or anything. I actually find it funny. All the women have to do is shut the fuck up every once in a while, and they won't go without, either!)

As for the 'free shit': I'll take a 'Talking Tina Japanese Sex Doll' for a thousand, Alex (as long as it comes with someone to wash it up/out and replace the batteries every so often).

 

 

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 12:40 | 4909972 Tasty Sandwich
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The thing is that most people don't understand that you can get a tank of gas with money, but you cannot put money into your fuel tank and expect your car to work.

I'm waiting for the peak oil deniers to present plans for a solar-powered Boeing 747 with a nuclear reactor backup.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 14:10 | 4910433 Matt
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"I'm waiting for the peak oil deniers to present plans for a solar-powered Boeing 747 with a nuclear reactor backup."

Wait, what? People who deny peak oil do not need to design solar or nuclear aircraft, since they believe in infinite oil.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 14:39 | 4910604 ATM
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Actually I beleive in supply and demand. Oil will just become more expensive as demnd increases or supply decreases. Price solves all problems.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 16:11 | 4911113 Matt
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If you accept that there are limits on the supply side of oil, then you are not a peak oil denier.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 16:13 | 4911115 Citxmech
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There should be a small part in there about civilization collapsing.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 20:29 | 4912191 MeelionDollerBogus
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If I recall Kyle Bass had something to say about that.

Tue, 07/01/2014 - 20:43 | 4915939 MontgomeryScott
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"I'm waiting for the peak oil deniers to present plans for a solar-powered Boeing 747 with a nuclear reactor backup."

Propogandists are so funny, sometimes!

Shouldn't that line be: "I'M WAITING FOR THE 'PEAK OIL' PROMOTERS to present plans for a blah-blah-blah with a nuclear backup."? ??   ???

So-called 'PEAK OIL THEORY PROMOTERS' should be the ones who are doing the 'forward-looking' shit like converting Evergreen Aviation Geoengineering 747's to use 'solar power', don't you think? Those planes that criss-cross the skies can't fly INDEFINETELY on a DWINDLING SUPPLY of FOSSIL FUELS, after all, can they?

 

If you can't dazzle 'em with brilliance, baffle 'em with bullshit (Saul Alinsky's so-called 'idea'. He wasn't the sharpest tack in the room; he simply collated the ignorant thinking of the sociopathic people throughout time, and tried to make it applicable to his OWN sociopathy).

How deep were the Mancondo A,B, and C wells, again? I forget. Was it 30,260 feet below the bottom of the Gulf of Mexico (which starts at about 5,000 feet below the surface of the water)? LOTS of dead plant and animal matter down there, though (I suppose). Those Kola S-G superdeep wells in Siberia sure found some 'fossil fuels' too, didn't they? I understand they went down almost 42,000 feet (before they had to stop because the blowout preventers the Ruskies had at the time couldn't handle the pressure...er... I MEAN, they didn't find anything, and if anyone tells you they did, then they are 'conspiracy theorists' and 'peak-oil deniers', much like right-wing Alex Jones listeners or people who think Obama is a stooge of the bankers, or people who can understand the basic laws of physics and correlate them to the events of 9/11, or people who read 'ZeroHedge', or...).

 

AND,

The BANKSTER asks:

HOW can I deflect the thread so that it appears as though this issue of all the FREE SHIT that the people have had to give through taxes on their labor to ME be made to look as though this is actually about an argument regarding the issues that the MASSES mostly know NOTHING about? A-HA! PEAK OIL!

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 12:46 | 4910012 tempo
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USA growth business, illegals, financial aid, ETB cards, subprime car loans all promoted by FED easy money. The calm before storms. unreal

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 13:16 | 4910168 Moustache Rides
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a chicken in every gas tank

Tue, 07/01/2014 - 21:10 | 4916058 MontgomeryScott
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And the people of the Great States of Colorado and Washington say:

"A POT in every, um, POT!"

(Cue 'Bevis and Butthead')

Do you know what 'Z.I.R.P' and 'N.I.R.P' are?

It's like the BANKSTERS saying that if YOU really WANT to give it to THEM for 'FREE', then it's gonna COST YOU! (Of course, in return, 'they' will give back SOME of what you were forced to give them, and it will look like it's 'free' to you. For example: Look, I let you put your digital currency construct that I talked you in to using in my BANK, so I will only charge you a SMALL amount for the PRIVELEDGE, see! YOU get to keep MOST of it, don't you? SEE! It's like 'FREE MONEY! SHUT UP and TAKE IT! You LIKE your drugs and shit, don't you? DON'T YOU? HERE, let us supply you MOAR!)

I'd settle for a total payback of all the monies I have paid in to the Social Security system EN TOTO (including that 'unemployment' stuff) over the past decades, in one lump sum. THAT shit's not gonna happen, though, IS IT?!?

Charity is the better part of humility, though. I feel sorry for those who have been robbing and pillaging the populace (because they can't even wipe their own asses; hence the need for 'the Groom Of The Stool'). I see that Jamie Dimon has 'throat cancer' (most likely from sucking a diseased dick or eating a skanky pussy or one too many shitholes). He should have tried choking the chicken in his gas tank, instead. The SAD part is that good men die, while pricks like Dimon (and KISSINGER) continue to live.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 12:32 | 4909935 Jack Sheet
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Give us a rest, Mart, OK?

Tue, 07/01/2014 - 21:32 | 4916135 MontgomeryScott
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Are you afraid that people might actually begin to become aware and wake up; or are you afraid that people might begin to get SERIOULY PISSED OFF and take action against those that enslave us all?

NO, it's NOT 'O.K.'.

As I recall from my youth, the best way to learn and memorize the facts on a subject or study is through REPITITION.

Let's start with the 'times tables', shall we? TOO MUCH? All right. I understand. You are 'frought with emotions' and shit. I feel your pain.

HERE, this one's easier: 30 days hath September; April, June, and November. All the rest have 31 (except for February, {which is a real bastard} which has 28, except for every four years).

LET'S MOVE ON to the Newtonian Laws, shall we?

Sing it all together now:

"An object in motion, stays in motion

"Unless acted upon by an outside force.

"An object at rest STAYS at rest

"Unless acted upon by an outside force."

Mathematical laws stipulate that there is a finite supply of credit available (according to the ability to measure the totality of the subset of the available resources); and that all credit must be derived from those (nations) that are net producers of goods. Eventually, all credit must be repaid to the (nations) that originated it. This immutable Law is also embodied in the Laws of Thermodynamics.

Your avatar looks like the incomplete rendering of a snake eating itself, by the way.

 

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 12:33 | 4909940 CrashisOptimistic
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Just a reminder.

About 2 years ago a tax on millionaires was part of a government shut down fix.  The GOP largely voted in favor of it.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 13:28 | 4910232 cynicalskeptic
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It's not just the government that is taking too much out of the economy...

The SUPER RICH are taking a huge and disproportionate amount out of the broader economy.

We have seen huge 'productivity gains' (eg wage cuts for the masses) where the additional profits are going to the top 0.01%.   You can only sell so many bentleys and $3000 shoes and build so many $200 million mansions.  

Wages and total worth of most Americans has gone DOWN over the last 40 years and the increases seen in the 'top 10% have gone primarily to the top 0.01%)

When CRONY CAPITALISM - and that is what it is - is used to enrich a very few at the expense of the many you have a HUGE problem.  And face it - far MORE of that government spending is going to corporations, banks and Wall Street than to the 'poor'.   TAXPAYERS are supporting the super rich and making good THEIR losses while sharing in NONE of the profits.

The welfare scammer is hurting me far less than the TRILLIONS fed to banks and the 0% interest paid on MY savings as a result.  

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 14:42 | 4910617 ATM
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A simple fix for that problem. End the Fed and reinstitute real money. The fed finances the excesses of government and makes this endless borrowing possible. That money flows mostly to the very rich, makingthem even richer while destroying the purchasing power of the middle and lower income earners.

Problem solved.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 15:24 | 4910867 Meat Hammer
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End the Fed and reinstitute real money.

The answer to all of our ills, summed up in 7 words.

Bravo!

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 14:57 | 4910709 barroter
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"The welfare scammer is hurting me far less than the TRILLIONS fed to banks and the 0% interest paid on MY savings as a result."

Always love the rich, that's our job as peons.  The rich care for us, even love us. The rich will look out for our best interests always....NOT.

It takes hard work being born into a rich family, then finally inheriting that wealth.  It also takes much work to buy  lobbyists to purchase favorable tax law and regulations from gov't. And all that money to run candidates who will represent JUST the monied interests is hard work too!  Long day's work there, you need to  go drink eight Martini's at the club after! 

Monopolies, cartels and collusions are hard work too and there is nothing more pleasing than seeing your customer cornered. What fun is owning a business if you can't corner the market and rape all who come near? Getting things "just right" in the marketplace where the two "equals" in a contract (employer/employee or business/customer), is geared to the one with the far greater power is hard work too. It's not easy hiring PR consultants to beguile the great unwashed into thinking the rich and they are "on the same side" and share the same ideals.

We must support our rich. We must BEG for wage cuts.  We must do anything to increase their wealth. More tax cuts, more tax bailouts, more public tax subsidies to private interests. In  fact, we ought to send the rich our own mony, right from our own accounts.

 

 

Tue, 07/01/2014 - 22:12 | 4916252 MontgomeryScott
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"About 2 years ago a tax on millionaires was part of a government shut down fix.  The GOP largely voted in favor of it."

Yeah, it's funny how the 'GOP' constituents willfully forget what these, um, 'representatives' do to them. I suppose the other side has the same issue with 'willful ignorance' as well, though.

Statistically, the people who ally with the 'Republicans' are slightly less wealthy than those in the 'Democratic' 'tent' of 'political beliefs' (you can check the donor records and the financial records of the most powerful and well-connected party members to verify this fact for yourself, but it makes absolutely no difference whatsoever in terms of who wins the next selection. Statistically, 96% of those with the most 'political campaign contributions' in their 'races' WILL win, and the goals of BOTH so-called 'parties' is THE SAME, and the totality of BOTH of their 'alliances' is ALSO evident to anyone with an I.Q. over 70).

I seemed to have MISSED your 'humourous reminder' about the minority Republican Caucus allying with the majority Democratic Caucus to 'tax the wealthy' or some shit. (takes right hand, palm down and fingers lined up, and waves it over well-combed head, as if to signify that the information has passed him over)

HOW MANY YEARS ago, again? I forgot. REALLY? TWO years? Twenty-two years? That stuff is really hard to 'fact-check', you know.

FROM THE 1983 ALBUM 'HEADHUNTER', I present in evidence, one 'band' named 'Krokus':

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHo6LihtzFM

That's a reminder from 31 YEARS ago. It wasn't 'ABOUT 2 YEARS AGO'.

Back THEN, however, it was the DEMOCRATS on the opposite side of the same fence.

One day, you will take the bag off of your head.

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Mon, 06/30/2014 - 12:33 | 4909941 RaiZH
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Free Gold 

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 12:42 | 4909991 Bay of Pigs
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I wouldn't expect much out of Marty when it comes to gold anymore. He sold his soul to get out of jail.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 12:35 | 4909944 q99x2
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There are not enough billionaires to pay the bill for everyone else.

F them. Lets take everything they have and distribute it back to the people they stole it from and then see how to make things better.

Open Source Government is a solution.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 12:38 | 4909963 NoTTD
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Oh, grow up.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 12:39 | 4909969 kowalli
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Stupid... just open history book and read about that period of history... Steal from thieves and give another thieves

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 12:57 | 4910069 kowalli
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People which put me minuses - even stupider than he is. You think who will distribute the property and how. It will do the same as people in power. Read how it happened in other countries - what do you think you will be different? Americans are idiots ...

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 12:46 | 4910002 Elliott Eldrich
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The argument that "the billionaires don't have enough money to pay the bill for everyone else" is a popular one, an argument that I've seen advanced many times in many different forms. However, one factor that I've never seen taken into account with this argument is the whole "velocity of money" part of the equation. When billionaires hold most of the money in an economy, that money tends to be rather static, it doesn't move much if at all. Whereas if you put high taxes on billionaires, and then redistributed that money to the rest of the population, that money would instantly become "high velocity" money, in other words it would be rapidly spent, and those who provide the products and services that people need would quickly find themselves having to deal with the high quality problem of higher demand, and might even go so far as to hire additional workers, helping the economy to grow even more, as those employers spend even more money to hire more people to support increased demand.

TL;dr version: Letting those who tend to stockpile money accumulate even more tends to be a major drag on the economy, as the velocity of money decreases. Using taxation to extract money from those who are not spending it, and putting it back into the economy, helps to create jobs and improve the economy. And if you think this is a radical, red, hyper-leftist idea, then I guess Dwight D. Eisenhower was a radical leftist, since the top tax rate during his administration was over 90%, and average people working at average jobs were able to afford to have both food AND a place to live! What a radical concept!

 

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 13:14 | 4910148 Anusocracy
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Why don't you get together with like-minded people, form the type of government you want, and abide by it. Everyone else would be free to do the same, although some would reject government entirely.

After a while, we would discover which type of social organization worked best and which of the groups of people were still animals.

Life strives to solve problems, but not under what conditions, just the conditions it is given. Right now, we live under social conditions given to us by the animal world.

People can create conditions to solve problems - that is the way to escape our savagery.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 14:16 | 4910470 Matt
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I'll agree to your experiment, provided each group gets perfectly equal raw resources on a per capita basis.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 14:20 | 4910498 Marco
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I can't create land.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 19:50 | 4912049 MeelionDollerBogus
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You could move some land or build a boat.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 13:15 | 4910161 prains
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'murkan trr'st

 

ready, aim......nail

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 13:43 | 4910309 BruceBanger
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You are absolutely fucking retarded.  Raising tax rates does not in any way increase the velocity of money, and the reason why we could get away with 90% tax rates in the 50's is because industry was regearing from the war efforts back to civilian pursuits, which is highly inflationary when it happens all at once.  Billionaires park their capital in ventures because 1) it generates return or 2) it's really cool and they're in a special position to take advantage of it because they have more money than they know what to do with.  This forgetting the fact we would not have billionaires in the first place (ok maybe a few) if regulators did their jobs and prevented industries from monopolistic practices (health care, cable industry, media in general) or capital schemes at major institutions that grow so big they disrupt the economy when their Ponzi schemes fail.

Statists like you looking for any reason to increase taxes should STFU or better yet fall down a well.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 18:49 | 4911778 tumblemore
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"Raising tax rates does not in any way increase the velocity of money"

 

The current impoverishment of the middle class to further enrich the oligarchs is evidence that excessive concentration of wealth creates a deflationary spiral through reducing the velocity of money.

 

Tax redistribution would be one way of alleviating the problem but a much better one would be preventing the excessive concentration of wealth in the fist place.


Tue, 07/01/2014 - 06:24 | 4913164 BruceBanger
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"excessive concentration of wealth creates a deflationary spiral through reducing the velocity of money."

That only makes sense if you completely ignore the fact that the excessive concentrations of wealth we're seeing are *not* created by markets, but by propping up of capital markets that should have been leveled in 2008 by disbursement of untold (in our nation's history at least) funds and relaxation of accounting rules.

In other words you're retarded too.  It's like seeing an obviously manufactured watch and saying "Well, since things just happen, it's equally likely that this watch was created by man and nature."  It's wrong because you completely ignore cause and effect.

Russia has an even worse concentration of wealth and their economy is expanding.  Why?  Has nothing to do with the velocity of money, it has to do with the fact that natural resources, which is the linchpin of their economy, are getting more expensive.  Being that Russia has an even more oppressive system of taxation (in the real economy), by your idiotic reasoning they should be doing even worse.

Tue, 07/01/2014 - 06:25 | 4913165 BruceBanger
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*double post

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 15:09 | 4910492 Urban Redneck
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Money isn't stockpiled.

M2 is only about 12T (which makes me question the mathematical capacity of the usually poor retards who think the taxes can be raised by a trillion and the money will simply fall from the magic money tree).

Furthermore, the consumption of cash just for cross border f/x is over 5T PER DAY.

Yet if you look at the St. Louis Fed velocity is about 1.5.

If the BLS inspired formula for the velocity of money is effectively to divide GDP by the money supply, then AT BEST what you have is metric of the productivity of the money supply's movement, but not its actual velocity, and since GDP itself is BLS'd to death and not even an accurate measure of economic production to begin with, that's stretching it.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 18:59 | 4911786 tumblemore
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"Money isn't stockpiled."

 

It doesn't have to be stock-piled. It just needs fewer transactions per unit time.

 

The question is does a middle-class person's dollar on average have more transactions per unit time (in the real economy) than a billionaire's dollar.

Tue, 07/01/2014 - 00:16 | 4912608 Urban Redneck
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Money is fungible, and (ignoring the 10% actual cotton linen blend currency) - IT ONLY EXISTS ON THE SERVERS OF THE FEDERAL RESERVE DISTRICT BANKS.

The average persons's dollar and the billionaire's dollar have EXACTLY the same velocity.

Your taking an economist's bullshit and trying to make Shinola out of it. The banking system simply doesn't work that way.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 19:46 | 4912033 MeelionDollerBogus
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Credit, M2 & M3 stored as derivatives, cash equivalents, etc. are indeed stockpiled.
That's their purpose. They won't be in M3 or M2 otherwise.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 22:36 | 4912619 Urban Redneck
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Cash equivalents and credit are NOT money.

Furthermore, cash equivalents are not stockpiled either - that's the ENTIRE PURPOSE of the the shadow banking system.

Tue, 07/01/2014 - 19:02 | 4915578 MeelionDollerBogus
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The shadow banking system IS STOCK PILING.

It seems you don't understand what "banking" is.

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 11:30 | 4917836 Urban Redneck
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I know exactly what the banking system is. You on the other hand, not so much...

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 11:30 | 4917837 Urban Redneck
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Mon, 06/30/2014 - 14:23 | 4910521 Matt
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1. If you greatly increase the velocity of money, the purchasing power of the money will rapidly diminish, making the poor and middle class poorer. Hoarding money helps contain inflation.

Better to stop running government deficits and printing more money into existence.

2. The "90% effective tax rate" is easily dodged by the rich. Just like the Clintons supporting a wealth tax, while shielding their assets. The more rules you make, the more working class people suffer while wealthy and corporations have the resources to exploit loop-holes and end up paying porportionally less.

Better to simplify and reduce tax rates, since the total taxes harvested remains as a relatively flat amount relative to the size of the total economy, and higher rates slow growth: 

Learn Liberty: Will Higher Tax Rates Balance the Budget?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucoP4-06O7M

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 18:58 | 4911814 tumblemore
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"If you greatly increase the velocity of money, the purchasing power of the money will rapidly diminish, making the poor and middle class poorer."

 

Nope. You're not increasinh the quantity of money while  keeping the quantity of goods and services the same.

 

What is the velocity of money - transactions per unit time - so increasing the velocity of money is increasing transactions is increasing economic activity. An increase in the velocity of money is by definiton an increase in the *effective* size of the money supply without inflation.


Mon, 06/30/2014 - 23:37 | 4912770 Matt
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You can argue whether accelerating the velocity of money is true inflation or not, but either way the purchasing power of the money will go down.

The rate at which goods and resources are produced does not suddenly change, so if everyone suddenly buys more gasoline, the price will go up. This increase will impact poor and middle class people far more than it will rich people, corporations, or government agencies.

Tue, 07/01/2014 - 06:34 | 4913175 BruceBanger
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That's not strictly true, but for reasons other than the actual mechanisms of money.

When money has a high velocity, labor markets tend to be very good because industry is churning.  When the middle class has less hard assets and more debt, that's very very good because they can pay down debt easier or buy more hard assets, especially when you have a primarily service economy.  Enter the late 90's.

The only thing that concerns the middle class standard of living is how labor markets are doing relative to natural resource markets.  Since that's hard to measure, velocity of money can serve as a proxy for labor markets, although it's very inexact and you need to look at other things to determine it too.

Tue, 07/01/2014 - 02:59 | 4913048 Urban Redneck
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Lay off the crazy pills...

An increase in the velocity of money is by definiton an increase in the *effective* size of the money supply without inflation

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 15:29 | 4910893 Meat Hammer
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Hey dipshit!  No human being has the right to harm (financially, physically or otherwise) another human being unless one is defending himself from said human being.  Got it?

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 19:00 | 4911832 tumblemore
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Unlimited mass immigration is a war by the oligarchs on everyone else.

 

Tue, 07/01/2014 - 19:05 | 4915591 MeelionDollerBogus
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Actually no: totally limited immigration is war by the oligarchs on us all. It's keeping the slaves in the pen.

Unlimited migration is what breaks the nation-state oligarchy tools of slavery so we the people are individually free. Your wages aren't low because of arriving immigrants: it's because you haven't MOVED. You can move and while one could argue you'll be "paid less" the FIAT PRICE doesn't matter. The RATIO of hours worked to goods available is what matters. If the cost of living drops faster than the wage drops, no matter the fiat units, you actually are now at a premium to your prior locale.

If I moved to Thailand (but made sure to learn the language properly first) I might make less than 1/3rd of what I make now. But I may pay not even 25% of what I pay for everything else... depending on a few factors. End game: cost drops faster than wages so I'd actually be doing better.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 19:43 | 4912026 MeelionDollerBogus
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2 very solid ideas.

An open-source all-opt-in budget is a good alternative to taxation, for a start, and such a thing would require an open-source government.

Tue, 07/01/2014 - 22:33 | 4916350 MontgomeryScott
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"Open Source Government" is like a "Transparent Presidency".

You may now watch on the screen as I take the knife and slowly disembowel you. Of course, the audio of your screams in agony won't be recorded, but you get the priveledge of seeing your bowels and intestines being removed from your corpus, live, and RECORDED for the masses to watch as your death-agony is being enjoyed and consumed by the millions of masses. Put on a GOOD show, and you will get a guaranteed spot in a graveyard of your choice. You will eventually THANK us as we slit your throat and your life ebbs away; because we sharpen our knives regularly, as you DIE unmercifully.

REALLY, you got NINE 'up-arrows' with this comment?

I KNOW those who work, work in batches of THREE; so there are THREE batches of three working the site right now?

 

 

 

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 12:37 | 4909954 Ness.
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 I want a hamburger. No, cheeseburger. I want a hot dog. I want a milkshake. I want potato chips 

 

~ Spaulding Smails

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 13:04 | 4910102 Its_the_economy...
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You'll get nothing and like it!- Judge Smails

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 13:47 | 4910326 Greenskeeper_Carl
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"The thing you do with Smails is you cut his hamstring right at the bottom, when he goes to transfer his weight, he can't do it, he'll be pushing everything off to the right, probably give up entirely"
-Me

Tue, 07/01/2014 - 22:42 | 4916376 MontgomeryScott
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How did you get so good?

Well, I like to golf at night.

You practice putting at NIGHT?

Well, yes, I guess you could say that. I'm a 'night-putter'.

NA NA NA NA NA....

BUH BUH BUH BUH BU BUH...

NI NI NI...Oh, SHIT.

Danny? Danny, I'm a SPAZ.

(A little later on in the movie)

Do you mind if I play through? (seguay)

HEY! YOU scratched my ANCHOR!

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 13:52 | 4910337 High_Pockets
High_Pockets's picture

50 bucks says the Smails kid picks his nose.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 14:43 | 4910623 bpj
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Cheetos rule

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 14:43 | 4910624 bpj
bpj's picture

Cheetos rule

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 12:38 | 4909957 dearth vader
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Free lamp posts?

Tue, 07/01/2014 - 22:50 | 4916399 MontgomeryScott
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NOTHING good is easy.

NOTHING good is FREE.

The days grow shorter and the nights are getting long.

The Good Book says it's better to GIVE than to receive.

Since you paid for the lamp-posts, the better part of Charity would be to GIVE THEM to those who truly deserve them. You might have to force them to accept your freely given gift, however.

There's an answer in your heart.

MAKE IT WORTH THE PRICE WE PAY!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlJA-cN2C_0

 

It isn't 'Sunshine and Lollipops' here.

 

 

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 12:37 | 4909962 teslaberry
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the natzi's were socialists. 

nationalist socialists. they didn't come for the socialists. they came for anyone who opposed the power of hitler. 

 

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 13:00 | 4910086 Flakmeister
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They came for anyone that opposed them but your comprehension of the real nature of the NSDAP is childish...

 

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 19:40 | 4912014 MeelionDollerBogus
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Incorrect. The non-socialist Nazi eugenicists actually hunted down the actual socialists & killed them too.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 12:43 | 4909977 Colonel Klink
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Can't take what I no longer contribute.  FUCK the FSA and the wealth redistributing government!

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 15:31 | 4910900 Meat Hammer
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There you have it!  UNPLUG!

Tue, 07/01/2014 - 23:17 | 4916482 MontgomeryScott
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Yea, verily, people!

KNOW the truth, and it sets you truly FREE!

FUCK the FSA!

FUCK the FED!

FUCK the USFedGov, INC!

FUCK the NSA!

(Oh, noes! you are tiptoeing on 'ZOG' stuff here! So am I, I presume)

Tue, 07/01/2014 - 23:29 | 4916527 MontgomeryScott
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Yea, verily, people!

KNOW the truth, and it sets you truly FREE!

FUCK the FSA!

FUCK the FED!

FUCK the USFedGov, INC!

FUCK the NSA!

(Oh, noes! you are tiptoeing on 'ZOG' stuff here! So am I, I presume)

Tue, 07/01/2014 - 23:55 | 4916601 MontgomeryScott
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Sorry.

'Double-post', courtesy of 'Clearwire'.

I LOVE it when my internet connection is FUCKED WITH!

It smells like... it smells like 'victory'!

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 12:45 | 4909989 Kantbelieveit
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ZH has become such a reliable outpost of anti-government hatred that it is barely worth reading. Evidently stirring up the sovereign citizens is the most profitable editorial move for the management. I wish the haters would reflect for a moment on the value and meaning of the law and how they think the Koch Brothers or the Waltons would make and enforce the laws.

Without government there is no law except the law of the jungle. The first thing settlers do when they establish a community is create a government to enforce their laws. You can hate on the IRS all you want, but tell me how you can build a society without taxes, without public roads, public schools, and an air traffic control system. Will the Waltons do this for you?

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 12:47 | 4910016 Bay of Pigs
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The Koch brothers? Come on. What law is being enforced in the USA? Anyone being arrested on Wall Street? Where is the FBI? It is a jungle already pal.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 12:53 | 4910049 kowalli
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it's not a jungle- its economically slavery already, next will be just slavery - first- you can't own anything -second they force you to do anythign they want

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 18:28 | 4911693 layman_please
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why do you think just slavery would be any worse? millennia or two was enough to develop perfect slavery. we are already there. 

Tue, 07/01/2014 - 23:59 | 4916616 MontgomeryScott
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I 'Kantbeliveit' tastes like BUTTER!

A ROSE, by any other name, would smell as sweet (when lying in a pile of shit).

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 12:54 | 4910053 Duffy
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Who in the fuck are you responding to, if not a straw man outright?

so far as I know, there are only a handful of people here who are anarchists. And yes, while I consider myself a pragmatic libertarian, small 'l', I regard anarchists as myopic, even dangerous idealists...

Less government does not mean no government. It also doesn't mean "hating" government but disliking arbitrary, or constitutionally unsound government power.

Do you support cops pulling you over for no reason, or the NSA recording your calls, or squandering tax revenue on disastrous elective wars or untenable entitlement programs?

It's not good simply because government does it, but I don't find most libertarians arguing against public roads, fire, and police... I find them arguing against using the Commerce Clause to tell someone they can't grow pot, or wheat, on their own property, or against federal laws essentially punishing or criminalizing beliefs such as hate crime laws or, or arguing against the morality and Constitutionality of race based affirmative action programs.

If some libertarians go too far, that is true of any meta-group. Libertarians are not a monolith, but people come to it, in large part I think, out of reaction to liberal statism, which has also, I contend, gone to far.

Pragmatism means finding a workable synthetic solution or middle ground - but most people seem to be most interested in forcing people to do something they think they ought to do.

I see libertarians, even of flavors I dont agree with, generally being less into the whole government coercion thing and asking, for any problem, is there a way to solve it with more freedom instead of just going to more government coercion...

I think that's a better starting place these days than the Left wing default position of more laws, more central authority, and more taking of freedom, income, and property.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 13:21 | 4910195 prains
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...or the right wing approach of moar woars, moar corpro bail outs, moar woars after the bail outs, moar bail outs to crony friends, moar woars to bleed the tax base dry to be given to more corporate junkies and finally total WOAR so we can get all the brown skin bags out of the way of the spice we need to run our Abram tanks

 

....just sayin, if we're doing the left wing, right wing thang

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 22:48 | 4912650 The Most Intere...
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Moaron

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 13:23 | 4910203 ncdirtdigger
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Can I get an 'amen brotha'?

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 13:26 | 4910220 Moustache Rides
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Most people don't have a very accurate understanding of the word anarchy.  Most people think it primarily means chaos... That is part of the defninition but the true root of the word is "without rule".  I like the idea of not being ruled and participating in a cooperative society.  That said I DO believe in the need for BASIC law.  Like theft and any physical harm to another should be illegal and enforced by peace officers or whatever you'd like to call them.

Just some thoughts

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 14:21 | 4910493 hedgeless_horseman
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Most people don't have a very accurate understanding of the word anarchy.

Isn't it the opposite of hierarchy?

Kill the queen versus save the queen?

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 00:17 | 4916661 MontgomeryScott
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Obviously, you are deluded.

'Anarchy' means 'mass disruption', to US (those that are in power). People will wake up and realize that other people are not any better than themselves, and stop worshipping people who print fiat currencies. WE can't allow THAT, though, can we?

OBVIOUSLY, 'ANARCHY' must be REDEFINED to mean 'people who can't handle the REASON WHY an oligarchy MUST rule them'.

They (the 'anarchists') must be associated with 'communism', 'socialism', 'utilitarianism', or various OTHER 'isms', in order to 'reign in' this infectious' free-thinking' idea that individuals have the power of 'free will' in regards to their lives.

I seem to recall a bunch of male homosexuals who formed a 'band' named' QUEEN'. I neither wanted to save them OR kill them, and I do not understand why you would want to do either one.

 

 

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 18:46 | 4911742 teslaberry
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the refuge of those who support tyranny is to accuse all opposition, fencesitters, and even some weak hands on their own side as anarchists who support chaos. 

hitler killed quite a number of his OWN supporters on his ascent to power. 

these accusations are all lies meant to consolidate power, by stirring up hatred and fear against the so called anarchists. 

The many who are fearful of the tyrant will support these accusations in hopes that the tyrant will not victimize them, or do so last. 

that, and many others who provide support for accusations are just morons parrots and wanna be tyrants themselves. frequently the youth are especially impressionable idiots. Youth corps will be funded with government money by tyrants to recruit brainwashable goose steppers. any recruits getting out of line are dealt with to make an exampel for the rest.

this was the hitler youth, the red guard of mao, and in america--yes---the proto boy scouts , who have supposedly morphed into something different for the time being.....

the intellectual and artist classes will be crushed if necessary. mostly, they will be ostracised in favor of 'artists ' and 'professors' who simply PUSH consumption based philosphies as art and knowledge. this way crushing the dissent of these classes can be done indirectly in a manner that the public can tolerate. 

either way, those who dissent lose their jobs , livelihoods and are slowly dispenssed with. the more persistent dissidence spreaders can be liquidated as necessary. divide disrupt and discredit. gaslight and kill only as a last resort. 

you can see it coming. because this is already happening. 

 

 

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 12:54 | 4910054 WatchnSee
WatchnSee's picture

Q: "Will the Waltons do this for you?"

A: Yes, and cheaper.

 

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 12:57 | 4910066 all-priced-in
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I don't think most would have a problem with a few laws - murder, rape, robbery --- contract law, fraud - whatever

 

But the fucking government can not even tell us how many laws we have - impossible to even count them they are so fucking complex. No human could ever understand them all - many are so opaque not even experienced lawyers can agree on what they are.

IIRC we have added 70,000 pages of new laws and regulations since Obama was elected. 

 

 

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 14:13 | 4910456 The Most Intere...
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Let's face it, the Communists have had their way in the USA for the last 100 years.  Slowly they have chipped away at liberty and freedom under the guise of "compromise".  It has ended the same way all communinal living situations end up.  The hard workers get less the harder they work, the lazy get more for less, and the thieves rob everybody blind.  It has been no different anywhere else and at any other time it has been tried.  Time for REAL change!

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 00:27 | 4916678 MontgomeryScott
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(This message brought to you by Hitlery/Mittens '16. Because, IGNORANCE is STRENGTH!)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVDig3Fu8WU

Yeah, RIGHT.

"Time for REAL change!"

Blah, blah, blah...

Hooked on BULLSHIT 'talking points' like 'time for real change' WERKS FER EWE.

Fucking COMMIES!

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 13:04 | 4910103 BobTheSlob
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If the sovereign citizenry can be "stirred up" then does that not indicate that there is a problem?

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 14:09 | 4910420 The Most Intere...
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He is a communist POS hoping the status quo remains in place.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 13:46 | 4910323 The Most Intere...
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Thought Marx was dead!?

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 14:06 | 4910401 The Most Intere...
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Stupid, the current laws are written exclusively by both corporate and labor special interest groups.  Government let's it happen.  The common "win/win" solutions these groups successfully fight for are, "we get the loaf of bread, you get the crumbs".  Like all good communists, you have the mentality of a child in grade school and believe that people in the government, who take and maintain power at the end of a gun barrel, are somehow angels sent from above to protect the citizenry.  They are not.

If you are wealthy, powerful and connected, the only rule of law is that you get to make them yourselves and not be subjected to them.  Kinda like having a printing press and making it illegal for anyone else.

Schools, roads, and air traffice control systems, are but a few of the many things the private sector could do much better than government.

You are a communist and should be eraticated like the cockroach that you are.  Hopefully in my lifetime.

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 00:30 | 4916685 MontgomeryScott
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So, you just answered YOURSELF?

DUDE! you HAVE to get another of the 20 identifiers from your PENTAGRAM!

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 14:10 | 4910430 damicol
damicol's picture

So your're in govt.

 Well fuck off somewhere else you parasitic  asshole if you dont't like what we think of you corrupt fuckers

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 14:50 | 4910663 bpj
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Have you ever been around someone like a judge that can put people in cages. I have, and they are fucked up beyond all comprehension, a judge that used to be in charge of domestic violence program in Orange County CA, once said in her chambers "I need these convictions...to fund my programs". That and judge Fitzgerald telling you before even starting the trial that if "your client is found guilty, they will get the maximum sentence" It was enough for me to get the hell out of the law business.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 17:12 | 4911311 STP
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You're getting downvoted, because you're an idiot of the nth degree!  It's not the basics, like Air Traffic Control or Interstate Highways, we're talking about, it's the outrageous spending on "entitlements" and stupid, useless departments, like the Department of Education as an example.  THAT's what's pissing us off.  Add to that, O-bomber giving away hundreds of millions, no billions of dollars overseas to 'nice' terrorists, and having the balls to ask for $2 billion dollars to take care of the flood of little idiots coming from south of the border, that we have no need of, whatsoever.  And that's just the tip of the iceberg.  So fuck off. fool.  You can give all your money away if you'd like, I'll keep mine (or as much as possible), thank you.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 19:25 | 4911942 MeelionDollerBogus
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Are you nuts? Only an idiot would not be anti-government considering the police-state murders & attempted murders, constant robbery, constant lies & sending everyone's children off to die in wars for oil.
Seriously, give a reasonable, factual PRO-government argument that balances out these proven, factual, gigantic down-sides.
Go on.

You don't BUILD A SOCIETY.

We don't need one. We need only the resources and NO SOCIETY AT ALL, just individuals.

You DON'T BUILD A SOCIETY.

Just DON'T.

If some collective organization is needed then on its own it will evolve, just like packs of dogs or hives of ants or bees.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 12:44 | 4909999 Duffy
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I mean I basically agree with the conclusion, but this article is a piece of shit.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 13:03 | 4910097 what's that smell
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americans are incapable of a "tax the wealthy" platform because they all want to win the lottery---a $1 ticket and a $300,000,000 payday.

otherwise, it's the cubicle and television and driving to walmart FOREVER.

we bitches in the zhedge basement will never win the lottery but just in case......we can proudly point to some arcane argument why capital gains should be taxed at a lower rate than labor, why the rich work harder than everybody else, or why the gubmint sucks.

stupid bitches.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 12:46 | 4910013 all-priced-in
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A few free shots.   

 

 

 

 

 

 

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 12:48 | 4910022 smokintoad
smokintoad's picture

I wouldn't mind a T-shirt with that nifty FSA logo.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 12:49 | 4910035 Chaos_Theory
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Match grade .223 and .40 HPs.  ~500 of each please. 

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 12:52 | 4910047 Limbs Akimbo
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And yes....there is an inequality of how much the rich pay in taxes.

First step for equalization is to removed the capital gains tax break on stocks and other investments held over 1 year.

There should be taxes on income (investments etc.) but not on wages.

This article is disingenuous. Lame, but disingenuous.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 13:10 | 4910136 flysofree
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It propagates the myth that billionaires pay for others or that they create wealth. The billionaires suck up all the wealth from everyone else, otherwise they would not be billionaires. When one looks back a the last 30-years, you can see that wealth creation is a zero sum game.

Look at Russia, there are few oligarchs, but most of the country looks worse than 1980s Soviet Union. The billionaires in Russia don't pay for anything, they just extract resources for their own profit.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 19:22 | 4911932 MeelionDollerBogus
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The game would be much harder to play if only resources were used as money.
It would mean having to physically store the money rather than enslave the populace by trickery & beatings into using fiat currencies.
It would mean losing all those assets in real physical robberies, some of which will be full out wars, as in the old days.

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 00:47 | 4916725 MontgomeryScott
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"Look at Russia, there are few oligarchs, but most of the country looks worse than 1980s Soviet Union. The billionaires in Russia don't pay for anything, they just extract resources for their own profit."

Let's try to reconstruct this statement from the point of view of 'THEIR' propaganda broadcasters, shall we?

Look at sic ('Merkuh), there are few oligarchs, but most of the country looks worse than 1980s sic (Reagan regieme). The billionaires in sic ('Merkuh) don't pay for anything, they just extract resources for their own profit.

I seriously doubt that you have looked at life from both sides now, 'fuckingfree because my masters told me to say so'. How's that 'cold war' thing going? Did you pay your 'taxes' this year? NO? Did the IMF (IRS) send you a letter telling you that you will be HELD LIABLE for your FAILURE TO ACCURATELY REPORT your INCOME?

GOD, you are an ignorant, arrogant TWIT!


Mon, 06/30/2014 - 12:56 | 4910061 Took Red Pill
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What do I want for free? The basics; food, shelter, water, health care, education. Not just for me. For everyone;

http://www.freeworldcharter.org/en

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 13:03 | 4910095 BobTheSlob
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Go dig a well in your backyard and read some Shakespeare.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 14:35 | 4910577 Matt
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Nothing is free; someone has to do something to provide it. You could pay for it all at once, with say 5 years of compulsory service, or over time, with taxation, debt, or free exchange, but one way or another these things do not just spring into existence on their own.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 15:27 | 4910881 Took Red Pill
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I thought that would get a rise out of people. This is really about a moneyless society along the lines of the Zeitgeist Movement or Venus Project.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 16:09 | 4911100 Matt
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Money is simply a mechanism allowing us to objectively compare things.

Everything still costs energy, time, effort. In order for one person to have "free" food, someone else had to grow it. Someone has to be the teacher, doctor, etc. to give the person "free" education and healthcare.

Unless you are talking about replacing 99% of human work with robots, and having humans sitting back enjoying the fruits of the robot labour.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 17:41 | 4911446 Took Red Pill
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That's exactly what it's about. Using automation or robotics to do most of the work. If you've never seen the Zeitgeist films, you should check them out or the founder of the Venus Project, Jacque Fresco

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 19:21 | 4911923 MeelionDollerBogus
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As a matter of fact Zeitgeist does propose this but they're still wrong.
Those robots aren't made for free, aren't self-repairing, self-upgrading or self-replicating, unlike living beings, be they food or human.
The costs are still higher than what zeitgeist/Penus project says (zero).

The gigantic real cost in life-hours and work-skills and food-energy cost/shelter/etc. to those who can build the frames, motors, design the chips, programming, etc., is beyond what humanity can afford simply to make humanity itself obsolete.
Would be far easier to make humans that complain less, or can do less with their complaining, work stronger in their lifetimes & be easily replaced be better humans.
That's easily accomplished: shorten the life-span & put the slaves to work in their physical prime while encouraging making of babies.
Which is precisely what's happening & far, far cheaper than paying unwilling engineers or NOT PAYING THEM to build all these robots that would require designs not ever invented & energy requirements no less efficient than the machinery of life itself.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 19:13 | 4911887 MeelionDollerBogus
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I know. Seen your posts over many years and this last one was way, way opposite but for the new readers... may as well give a reasoned response.
For the rest of us, we'll look hard in our Bag of Tricks stolen from Felix to see if there's one last fuck hiding in there so it can be given to someone in need.

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 20:51 | 4912271 Matt
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"Took Red Pill" is not the same person as "Red Pill".

Tue, 07/01/2014 - 19:07 | 4915605 MeelionDollerBogus
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RUH ROH, RAGGY!

Mon, 06/30/2014 - 19:11 | 4911877 MeelionDollerBogus
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oh ya?
So despite the real cost of energy & skill to provide shelter, food from agriculture, foraging for food right from nature without planting & caring for crops, you want all that for free?
Don't you think it's hard to convince others to provide their time & energy for your benefit?
Doesn't that mean what's "free" to you is a cost to others?
This is the real world & in physics there is no free lunch.
The world doesn't magically grow food you need to eat directly into your mouth.
Even food that grows in the wild must be located & harvested and some of it looks like other plants that are poisonous so skill is required, intellect, and if you don't have it, you haven't earned that meal.

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