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Government Stops Glenn Greenwald from Publishing His Big Snowden Revelation … But Others to Release ALL of the Snowden Docs
It’s been a dramatic day for whistleblowing news.
A month ago, Glenn Greenwald announced that he was going to publish his biggest story yet: the names of those the NSA has been spying on.
Earlier today, Greenwald tweeted that he would finally publish the story tonight at midnight.
8 hours later, he tweeted:
After 3 months working on our story, USG [the United States government] today suddenly began making new last-minute claims which we intend to investigate before publishing
Many responded that it’s a trap, and that the government is dishonestly and illegally censoring Greewald.
At the same time, Cryptome announced that all of the Snowden documents will be released in July … supposedly in order to avert a war.
As the Register notes:
All the remaining Snowden documents will be released next month, according to whistle-blowing site Cryptome, which said in a tweet that the release of the info by unnamed third parties would be necessary to head off an unnamed “war”.
Cryptome said it would “aid and abet” the release of “57K to 1.7M” new documents that had been “withheld for national security-public debate [sic]“.
The site clarified that will not be publishing the documents itself.
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“July is when war begins unless headed off by Snowden full release of crippling intel. After war begins not a chance of release,” Cryptome tweeted on its official feed. “Warmongerers are on a rampage. So, yes, citizens holding Snowden docs will do the right thing,” it said.
“For more on Snowden docs release in July watch for Ellsberg, special guest and others at HOPE, July 18-20: http://www.hope.net/schedule.html,” it added.
Given that - from ancient Egypt to modern America - mass surveillance has ALWAYS been used to crush dissent, and that top NSA officials say the U.S. gov has turned into the Stasis, Nazis or Soviets, release of the Snowden documents showing WHO the NSA is really targeting (i.e. government critics, not terrorists) are of vital public interest.
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I just pray he's got copies of Lois Lerners "missing" emails!
I am sick to death of people like you trying to come off sounding all reasonable and intelligent while ignoring the most important part of the Snowden revelations. The crime is not what they do or don't do with the information, the crime was collecting it in the first place. And to call into question whether or not Snowden had access in the first place is to ignorantly disregard the Manning leaks, where a low level analyst released hundreds of thousands of very damaging classified documents.
You know it comes down to this. "You can believe nothing or you can believe everything. Either choice saves you from thinking."
Stop down playing this story.
"iconoclast63": It happened to me again. In my first response to you I missed my own main point and didn't think of it until just now.
You said, "The crime is not what they do or don't do with the information, the crime was collecting it in the first place." Here's the kicker, and to me, the true heart of the matter that people who "respect the process" never seem to get. There's no crime involved, in the way lawyers and courts use the word "crime" as meaning "something that is against the law."
The NSA and other government agencies are not, as far as we know, collecting this information. Who was paying Snowden when he says he had access to all this stuff? Booz/Allen/Hamilton. Not the US government. And look at all the laws that make it a crime to collect all this information. They all talk about government agencies and employees. They don't say a word about Booz/Allen/Hamilton, or any of the other private corporations who do all this stuff. Why do all our "Status of Forces" agreements with Iraq and Afghanistan etc. explicitly carve out exemptions for private contractors hired by the US Military? Why does the US government make pious pronouncements that "We don't Torture." Because "We," stipulated to mean, "US government employees," don't torture. We hire private contractors employed by Dyncorp or Blackwater/Xe/Greystone, or some other mercenary outfit, to do it.
Even H.R. 4435, passed last week or so, was exactly this sort of cynical "limited hangout." It denied funding to the NSA and any other government agency or employee to collect this data and spy on American citizens. It passed rather handily. Because everybody who doesn't have a child-like faith in Authority to have the best of intentions realized that it didn't say a word about private corporations. And it's the private corporations who have been doing this stuff in the first place. If anybody sues them for their actions, criminal in law or just abominable in the eyes of reasonable human beings, they just liquidate the firm and call it something else. Why else would Blackwater become Xe, and then Greystone? Because they don't need to establish and maintain a brand identity in the marketplace. Their only clients already know who they are, by one name or any other.
I sympathize and agree with you in this. But I think you have too much faith in the system to see that the entire system is in on this. You've missed the loophole they've built in for themselves.
Sorry, man. Watergate came down when I was about 8. My parents were anti-war activists. I grew up under surveillance. I guess sometimes I assume everybody already knew that was going on. And I'm not at all calling into question whether or not Snowden (or Manning, for that matter) really had access to all that stuff. They did. Indeed, I'm saying "private contractors" are probably the ones with the most access, and doing most of the real dirty and "wet" work. Read all the laws regulating this stuff and note who is and is not mentioned.
I believe neither nothing nor everything. Once I choose to believe, I find it very difficult to see the bigger picture fall into place. What's been done to Manning, the systematic destruction of a human psyche, does tend to lend credence to Manning's revelations. But indeed, I didn't run across one piece of information there that wasn't already available on certain websites like this one, CounterPunch, and many foreign sites.
I'm not downplaying the story. I just can't tell if it's what it purports to be.
" I grew up under surveillance. I guess sometimes I assume everybody already knew that was going on."
That illustrates an interesting point. The idea that as the people who actually grew up in a world where there still existed (whether real or not) or at least perceived existed a modicum of freedom and privacy die off, there will only exist sheep who will readily accept servitude because that's all they've known.
Watergate was tame. It was basically what Kennedy had been up to, and LBJ. It was just convenient for US Media. Now, US Media is simply a wrapper on a corporation ready to do what is demanded and that is why WikiLeaks and Snowden and The Guardian have tried - but essentially the Guardian had a visit from GCHQ to smash hard drives.
Noone went to the Washington Post to burn files or burn down the building. They did not arrest journalists as with Der Spiegel when Franz Josef Strauss had them raided for leaking details of disastrous state of Bundeswehr in 1962 and sparked off national riots.
Watergate was simply Media hatred of Nixon. Had Kennedy done the same he would have been okay; if Obama had journalists murdered - say in spectacular car crashes in LA - with "Boston Brakes" no media outlet would mind but simply say what a wonder the lanky Kenyan really is.
For a man that in 2009 made a big deal about James Crowley and Henry Louis Gates in Boston - it seems he was none to upset about Boston being in military lockdown in 2013.
That is why Watergate is trivial and the CorpoFascist State the US has become looks like the Soviet Union under Brezhnev
I am sick to death of people like you trying to come off sounding all reasonable and intelligent while ignoring the most important part of the Snowden revelations. The crime is not what they do or don't do with the information, the crime was collecting it in the first place. And to call into question whether or not Snowden had access in the first place is to ignorantly disregard the Manning leaks, where a low level analyst released hundreds of thousands of very damaging classified documents.
You know it comes down to this. "You can believe nothing or you can believe everything. Either choice saves you from thinking."
Stop down playing this story.
actually, what they do or don't do with the information is extremely important.
i hardly see anyone around here mention where the "five eyes" unredacted "raw" feed ends up, which is pretty surprising having come to understand and observe the strong anti-zionist sentiments around these parts, as well as the strong attention to research (usually).
George this is sloppy journalism on your part. You damn well know Snowden and in turn Greenwald never had this information in the first place.
This is turncoat who took the demon candy payoff saving face after being called out for lying.
http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/2014-06-08/nsa-whistleblower-snowde...
A contractor would have never had access to that level of operational detail period.
Greenwald is playing footsie with the Feds
Then I hope Greenwald isn't the first one to trip.
Yes if you know how to read what was leaked and by who and where. The Russian controlled leaks were vetted to stop Greenwald from being turned into a counter-op pys-op using the leaks blow smoke and mirrors making the NSA look bigger and badder than it really is.
Yet here is George contradicting himself on the Greenwald tweets because he wants to believe at all costs even though there is plenty of evidence to the contrary.
Not saying there isn't valuable information in those documents just not juicy operational details like down to the exact individuals being targeted. Snowden would have had to have been read into the specific program in the first place and that certainly wouldn't have been the case here.
Claiming they are going to head off a war pullllleaze more like it will cause one if the information is that good.....
So far nothing leaked has been revelatory or new for the most part. Just the marketing was done better this time around.
DCH: You're wrong. Snowden might not have had access to the same docs that Tice discusses, but he had access to docs showing treason by the NSA ... spying on all Americans, including theire content.
You have no idea what you're talking about...
Release everything. Then try and hang virtually everyone in the federal government for "crimes against humanity". And that's just for starters.
“We brought them over to the New Jersey State Police holding cells in the Meadowlands Stadium, and that’s the last I saw of them,” he said. Shortly after that, the FBI reportedly took over. The five Israelis were held for 10 weeks, but were eventually deported to Israel on charges of immigration violations. In November 2001, they appeared on an Israeli TV talk show discussing how they were in the U.S. “to document the event.” - See more at: http://americanfreepress.net/?p=693#sthash.8besEqX7.dpuf
"Odd" how Greenwald spends so little "ink" on the fact Bush and Obama are both homosexuals; and, that Bush and Cheney committed 9/11 using the Roman Catholic CIA/FBI (used by Bush's father and Nixon to murder JFK), and Mossad...yet he's called an "investigative journalist." lol
You are defending this filth in DC?
Reading Comprehension, much?
Go away.
Truth allergy flaring up? lol
Talmud, papist, or wannabe?
Sniff Sniff... YOU smell like a troll, get a bath. No links, no facts, just troll juice.
CH! on the other hand is a cogent long standing anarchist. i don't believe in that philosophy, but at least he can make a case.
#41
The facts presented are patently obvious but to the complicit or wilfully blind.
His case? "go away?" lol
The facts presented are patently obvious but to the complicit or wilfully blind.
Dude government issued statistics make more sense than you are making right now.
Fake avatar if you genuinely don't understand. Mr. Jefferson spellied it all out. Do you need cites, or is it just a mindless con?
"...spellied it all out." LOL
Maybe you could 'splain sum moar.
http://www.amazon.com/Thomas-Jefferson-Writings-Autobiography-Addresses/...
http://www.amazon.com/Adams-Jefferson-Letters-Complete-Correspondence-Je...
http://theamericanfundament.blogspot.com
A must read for all... email me if you want the free .PDF. NETFLIXFREE1979@GMAIL.COM.
http://www.lulu.com/shop/wayne-madsen/national-security-agency-surveilla...
Yeah, the World Cup can seque into a World War - the ratings will go through the roof [if there still is one]!!!.....
I knew about this shit in 1999
http://the-puzzle-palace.com/files/CryptoAG.txt
Brits did something like this also back after WWII. IIRC they cracked a german encryption machine (not engima) and didn't tell anyone and gave it to various allies after the war to use already knowing how to decrypt the messages.
Nothing new there with Crypto AG. The lesson is and always was you need to develop your stuff in house if you want truely secure systems from top to bottom unless we are talking opensource and even the hardware can be an issue.
It was the Lorenz that followed the Enigma.
The main targetted user of the system after the war was the Russians, who had aquired many machines as they rolled through Germany. Unfortunately for the Allies the Russians had a spy, Guy Burgess (Chief of the Russia desk in MI6) in the UK who was passing secrets so the fact that the UK had cracked the code did not stay secret for long. Quite the reverse in fact, as the Russians knew that the Allies thought it was secure they fed mis-information back, for many years.
great link, thanks!
Snowden is a limited hang out. Everything he released was already known to many. i.e Wayne Madsen and James Banford. And don't even get me started on this Glenn Greenwald character.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limited_hangout
Get with the program newbies...
that is same conclusion that Sibel Edmonds, the well known whistleblower has of Snowden, "it's so fake and obviously fake, I can't believe people are falling for it."
calls it the most successful psyop in CIA history
if it's fake, it's conned the Government Accountability Project (GAP) and Jesselyn Radack
a fairly notable whistleblower herself as well as much of the good government
community.
" Snowden, "is so fake and obviously fake, I can't believe people are falling for it."
So you're saying The Russians (led by an ex KGB agent) are that dumb or are you saying the Russians (led by an ex KGB agent) are aiding and abetting the NSA?
If it's a CIA psyop, I would expect that there is some governmental infighting, because that Bluffdale NSA center wasn't built for show. Or see my post above. Or both. It's tough to know what to believe these days.
Tyler will be able to judge if Snowden is real or not. If the majority of ZeroHedge people are not on the list it means it's all been smoke and mirrors.
Actually, the Stasi only had files on about 10% of the population. Everybody thought they had files on everybody, which is why it was so effective. While I suspect that the NSA has files on everybody, I would not be surprised to find out that there is not enough man power to pay attention to every single person, even with computer filtering. If people believe that the NSA is omnicient, they will behave accordingly.
I think it is the IRS who has the files on everyone..
yes, but, data mining their "haystack" and keeping tabs on "who's trending", they'll be able to much more effectively deploy their limited resources.
I have to believe that most persons' files will sit on the back burner, passively collecting "evidence" until they pass whatever threshold necessary to become "persons of interest".
Wow! I can't wait, more vapor revelations coming soon!
Just use PayPal to pay for the exciting news.
July release? The banksters will have to blow up Yellowstone to avoid that National Security breach. They could put a bomb in the volcano or use their HARP weapon and call the attack an act of God to save the banksters and their criminal cartel.
Does anyone think the criminals will surrender to Justice? They would rather blow up the world!
Agreed. They're going "all in." If they believe for even a second a threat of losi g control of the system / s.
The end result will be The Sampson Option.
What the heck did he expect after blabbing, a month in advance, that the "Big One" would soon be out ... Why blab it first? That's just asking for what you got now
July release? Nothing to do with Snowden needing to renew his Russian asylum papers this month?
No silly, they only need a mass influx of unaccompanied "children" from our southern neighbors, spread strategically throughout major cities, to create the impression of an invasion and thereby institute marshal law. With the DHS request for transportation for these "minors" (who apparently can be as old as 31 to be lumped into this category) going back to January, this has been in the works for over half a year.
It's bizarre that people who are intentionally destroying the U.S. would use "national defence" as an excuse.
"It's bizarre that people who are intentionally destroying the U.S. would use "national defence" as an excuse."
It's not so much bizarre as paradoxical...