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Government Stops Glenn Greenwald from Publishing His Big Snowden Revelation … But Others to Release ALL of the Snowden Docs
It’s been a dramatic day for whistleblowing news.
A month ago, Glenn Greenwald announced that he was going to publish his biggest story yet: the names of those the NSA has been spying on.
Earlier today, Greenwald tweeted that he would finally publish the story tonight at midnight.
8 hours later, he tweeted:
After 3 months working on our story, USG [the United States government] today suddenly began making new last-minute claims which we intend to investigate before publishing
Many responded that it’s a trap, and that the government is dishonestly and illegally censoring Greewald.
At the same time, Cryptome announced that all of the Snowden documents will be released in July … supposedly in order to avert a war.
As the Register notes:
All the remaining Snowden documents will be released next month, according to whistle-blowing site Cryptome, which said in a tweet that the release of the info by unnamed third parties would be necessary to head off an unnamed “war”.
Cryptome said it would “aid and abet” the release of “57K to 1.7M” new documents that had been “withheld for national security-public debate [sic]“.
The site clarified that will not be publishing the documents itself.
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“July is when war begins unless headed off by Snowden full release of crippling intel. After war begins not a chance of release,” Cryptome tweeted on its official feed. “Warmongerers are on a rampage. So, yes, citizens holding Snowden docs will do the right thing,” it said.
“For more on Snowden docs release in July watch for Ellsberg, special guest and others at HOPE, July 18-20: http://www.hope.net/schedule.html,” it added.
Given that - from ancient Egypt to modern America - mass surveillance has ALWAYS been used to crush dissent, and that top NSA officials say the U.S. gov has turned into the Stasis, Nazis or Soviets, release of the Snowden documents showing WHO the NSA is really targeting (i.e. government critics, not terrorists) are of vital public interest.
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To learn from ones own experience is wisdom, to learn from anothers hubris.
If people cannot learn from their own experiences what makes anyone think they can learn from someone else's.
I dont think a bomb shell will happen to force the media to call-to-arms the public. The new information is on your computer being uploaded right now to the NSA. I can even point out the files and programs. OR you could just do a search of PRISM on your computer and find the files yourself.
I searched "prism" on my pc, the lights dimmed, my dog ran off and my chainsaw started all by itself. Pretty normal as far as I can tell. Soccer!
lol
Prior Restraint? Anyone remember another defense analyst named Daniel Ellsberg and his Pentagon Papers? The Supremes blocked the NYT from publishing them, but that applied only to the NYT, and then Katherine Graham supposedly risked everything to publish them in the Washington Post.
But Ellsberg was real, while Snowden is an obvious limited hang-out plant. Snowden's mission was to scare the sheeple into being afraid to send an email to anyone who might dare to wear a t-shirt saying "9/11 Was an Inside Job."
Snowden is a cipher. He had no friends. Just that dancer-stripper he lived with at the end. And thee next-door neighbor in Oahu who said he looked moody and melacholy. Nobody remembered what he was like as a child. It's kind of like the Manchurian Candidate or Constant Gardener ... a made-up person.
It's very similar to the Sandy Hook thing where an entire story is fabricated using Screen Actors Guild protessional actors.
Who paid the tab for a $130 K/yr junior-level analyst who had been at his new job at Booz for only a few months and was living in a rented house on Oahu to do all that expensive traveling, first to Hong Kong, and then to live in Sheremetyevo airport for a few weeks? Paying for that stuff requires lost of cash or multiple VALID credit cards with at least $20 K spending limits, n'est pas? Who paid all that money? Was in CIA, Mossad, who? And who helped him out besides the American Greenwald who was subjeect to US law regardless of his physical location since he was assisting in supposed espionage and aiding the supposed spy?
30-somethings making $130 K/yr do not have $100 K credit lines on their credit cards, which seems piddly compared to what any other "business traveler" would have had to pay for all that. Who paid?
Last-minute coach seats from HNL to Hong Kong would be, what, $2 K? And HK rivals Tokyo for being a pricey destination. Who was protecting him? Was he CIA? Mossad? Who? How else could be have accumulated all those documents that he had no Need to Know for? If he had been accumulating them from his prior jobs, as he told Greenwald several months prior via PGP ... he was bringing home SCI documents from his jobs on the mainland and he took them with him to HI and kept them, at home????
That's ESPIONAGE all by itself! Just having them after removing them from SCI facilities in violation of law and his pledge to protect them, with his reliability checked by periodic polygraph exams. He left his SCI job at Booz without going through the exit procedures for high clearance. Overseas travel without prior notice is a huge no-no, just by itself, so he was obviously s spy working for someone or other.
You don't bring SCI home and you sure as hell don't travel by air with them because air travelers are subject to strip-search by DHS at the drop of a hat. And flying into HI makes you subject to state ag inspection, not to mention his escape to Hong Kong! Hong Kong is right next door to the PRC. Who was protecting him, and paying all his bills?
So he left his SCI job at Booz without going through all the exit procedures, handing in security badge, debriefing by counterintelligence, etc. etc. on which should have red-flagged him for either/or DHS/INS detention on trying to leave HNL for Hong Kong as a spy on the run.
So why wasn't Greenwald charged as an full-fledged accessory to espionage, given that he was communicating with Snowden for months prior to his escapade and supposedly promised publication in advance? Or even just the multi-year felony "lesser charges" of accessory after the fact, and aiding and abetting a fugitive, if he did so much as buy him a meal or a change of clothes in Hong Kong or Moscow?
The whole story is very fishy, yet I can find only one "mainstream" source raising some of these questions: http://www.cnbc.com/id/100849664
I know for a fact that it was discussed at ZH, but it was mostly me raising those questions and it was in the comments section.
You need to review the facts. Snowden left Booz on a Medical Leave concerning seizures. And if your citing CNBC, you have problems. Go review The Guardian's articles. And 130k/yr is not that big of a deal.
Assange assisted in getting Snowden out of Hong Kong. US requested an Edward James Snowden...his name is Edward Joseph Snowden. I could continue but ZH is freezing up.
This story is really getting old. If you got something release it, all of it. If you don't shut up. I wanted to believe Snowden but so far it's just common knowledge stuff. Name names, put it out there or just go away
Your taxes paid for the $130k/yr salary, just like all the other contractors.
Why is it so hard to believe Snowden could move the files via USB drive on his person from state to state within the US when he most certainly was not on any terrorist watch list?
He was probably making decent money for a few years and could afford a couple weeks not working. It really isn't that hard to imagine for someone who doesn't have a mortgage and other debts.
As for Greenwald, he is a journalist. Secondly he is not an American. Thirdly, he isn't on American soil.
I think you are trying to stir up a tempest in a teacup with these rather trivial issues.
I hope you are right about Snowden... but the Greenwald/Omidyar/Obama connection is clearly there for anyone to see.
Which means if the NSA doesn't want this stuff to get out through Greenwald it won't. End of story.
"It's very similar to the Sandy Hook thing where an entire story is fabricated using Screen Actors Guild protessional actors."
You're a lunatic.
@bycatch + 1000"It's very similar to the Sandy Hook thing where an entire story is fabricated using Screen Actors Guild protessional actors."
You're a lunatic.
Yeah, LOL. Fuck you pal.
as with any "news" that gets released episodically, with teasers & promises & much profiteering. . .
info-tainment designed to capture minds in an ongoing narrative - whether hero-ick or dastardly - this GreenWald & Snowden team play has enough red flags to alert anyone who pays attention to events globally - not news, but reported events, taken from different sources, with "trust" not a part of the picture, merely allowing the the flow of the stories to make themselves apparent, always keeping the mind open to glitches in the matrix that point to deeper truths not shared.
if one doesn't have an invested side to defend in the mind, if the stories offered up smell like bullshit
then they most likely are.
this GreenWald profiteering - book deal!! movie deal!!! - given his backstory - reeks of controlled opposition. I don't have to wait for the Broccoli production movie of the book of the lawyer's spy agent turned hero
to know this is bullshit. *sniffs*
I've said it before and here goes again:
Obama is CIA. That was what his birth-cert scandal really revealed. That, and that his father is really Frank Davis Marshall.
Now that the CIA has another guy in the Oval Office, see B. Clinton and Bush I for know others, one of his mandates seems to be to get the Pentagon under control, especially in the Strat. Arms--nukes.
The NSA is the SigTel arm of the Pentagon. Getting it under the CIA's wing would be a two-birds situation, as it will take the Pentagon down a peg further, and boost the CIA's own SigTel and SigTel storage.
Snowden is a CIA plant with also an interesting background, Greenwald, dishing out just enough "already known" dirt to keep the sheeple distracted and fixated on the NSA/Pentagon instead of the CIA and their manchurian candidate in the Oval Office.
Note: Obama and Waldo went to Columbia together--One can't find Waldo or Obama anywhere on that campus.
oh well done! you fleshed out your original post whilst I typed my reply - and we both snuck back in under the "locked post" radar! heh. . .
I'd upvote you again if I could, not that it matters a wit.
+1 for using your own mind against "theirs". . .
+1 for using your own mind against "theirs". . .
Thanks! Yeah, it's kind of fun to do editing on the fly.
I've been posting a lot recently about what it means to have original thought when living in a "virtual Panopticon," being motivated largely by my discovery of Harry Elmer Barnes.
Just enter my username in the ZH search box, or search by keyword with a search engine as follows:
domain:zerohedge.com sameasiteverwas Barnes
will do.
my time spent online lately happens in fits 'n' starts - pre-occupied with an extensive outdoor-chore list - but I do find myself increasingly tapping into the more aware ZH posters "backpages" rather than wade through the daily chatter-threads. . .
particularly now that the new! improved!! ZH deletes post history rather regularly - there are quite a few folks here whose posts I regularly skim for, and, in line with the times we live in, everything seems to be speeding up and pushing us into the ever-present-now.
not a bad space to inhabit, of course, since it IS the only reality in the end. . . the "past" is merely personally-filtered memory, the "future" is projected thoughts un-realised - all power exists in the present, why not spend more time there!
You should have made your nick SameAsItNeverWas
;p
Same
One thing I like to keep in mind when reading posts such as yours is that the elite are not a monolithic group.
They have factions, too.
Yes they do. Orthodox, Reformed, Hasidic, etc.
I was thinking right-handed and left-handed.
Release everything right now! All delays are bullshit. This "national security" meme is so overused it's sickening. How did Kennedy's brain get "lost?" We can't tell you for reasons of national security. Hah! What a bad joke that is...
You do understand that they are giving any agents in the field a chance to get safe before being revealed. No journalist wants to be responsible for people dying.
Other motives for delay, none I can think of.
How about the difficulties of trying to criticize the state from within the legal confines of the state?
Greenwald is trying to do this by the book. He has already openly declared that he is playing "by their rules".
Take that as you will, but, to me, I don't see it as a sign that he or Snowden have been co-opted.
The timed release is the only thing that has kept Snowden alive until now. But the crypto-fascists in our midst would rather impune the truth than deal with it's repercussions.
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~ Joseph Heller, Catch 22
Early on, the delays were brilliant. Release -> Politicians Lie -> Release showing lie -> Rinse, Wash, Repeat. But, at this point, if you aren't aware of what's going on, have fun oggling Kim Kardashian's butt while you still can. Release it all and do so without delay.
Breitbart had that technique down to an art. It was what made him dangerous to TPTB. Also, the hijaking of Anythony Weiner's press conference, which may never be topped in my lifetime, was a stroke of genius (and brass balls).
According to the above, Greenwald, who has a story to tell, will not publish it. The remarks from Cryptome claim that someone(s) will release but not publish all of the "Snowden files".
Why not release all of the files now and to hell with Greenwald's journalism? Why wait to release the entire trove? Greenwald can still tell his story at a later date.
"Why not release all of the files now and to hell with Greenwald's journalism? Why wait to release the entire trove? "
Greenwalds best friend and current employer is PayPals Omidyar. Omidyar, Omidyars money and Obama are also best buds forever...
http://pando.com/2014/03/23/revealed-visitor-logs-show-full-extent-of-pi...
http://www.globalresearch.ca/video-secrets-for-sale-and-the-snowden-affa...
In all probability we are all being had by Greenwald and friends.
Hopefully Snowden is legit... still many are beginning to have their doubts. This information needs to be released NOW!
A few people have said Snowden never left Al See Eye Aye Duh. They think it is a See Eye Aye/State Dept/Soros/Oligarchs/Bankster/Rockefeller versus MIC/NSA.
So far we have not seen that much. It is like a controlled release and op to let the sheep they are controlled. Bring it out slow so the boiling frog citizen sheep don't jump and start something. Like a pressure relief valve.
as much as it is painful to say it. my gut tells me that snowden and greenwald are part of the destraction plot. it really really sucks too. greenwald is such a well spoken smart guy. he seems so passionate about whatever he is involved in. if this is the case- that its all bullshit, well, the .gov folks are much much more sinnister and crafty than we all previously thought. scary shit man
GreenForest is a Jewish lawyer set up with a platform to propagandize from by a known oligarch that frequents the "white house" and donates to de-stabilising other global States. there is much profit being made whilst very little information is being leaked that doesn't serve the overall Agenda.
those are merely stated facts, make of them what you will.
http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/reports-on-us-spying-of-party-s...
I hope it doesn't take as long as Wikileaks Bank of America expose.
They're waiting for the statute of limitations period. Wouldn't want to risk anyone going to jail, would we?
There's no more story here folks, move along. Look over there, Squirrel!
http://www.roadkilltshirts.com/AD-HD-HIGHWAY-TOHEY-LOOK-A-SQUIRREL-T-SHI...
Plus its filtered. Until we can verify by looking in our own personal actual files we have no honest means of evaluation. Its kind of sad that we are hoping for a peak at censored info.
The Public Be Suckered
http://patrick.net/forum/?p=1230886
Dont get to excited about this. Its been played out like daytime TV. I dont dig being strung along.
"USG [the United States government] today suddenly began making new last-minute claims which we intend to investigate before publishing.."
New last minute claims? Yeah, like...."we'll claim that your car 'accidently' flipped over (see: Michael Hastings) or that you 'accidently' choked on that meal you were eating or that you 'accidently' fell down those stairs."
Or accidentally looked to see what was blocking the output from your nailgun
... or accidentally dived to deep into the hot tub.
The longer the delay of docs, the less likely they'll be released.
George, while you are right, there may be legitimate reasons to delay the release of the names of those upon whom the NSA is actively spying. That is, some of NSA's snooping may be legit - they may have a FISA court subpoena or the like. Look, I don't like broad-spectrum surveillance any more than the rest of you and consider Snowden and Greenwald to be heroes for detailing such nefarious operations. But, naming those under more intense scrutiny is a different matter entirely. If a U.S. citizen is being investigated for spying for Israel, like Jonathan Pollard, it would not be in the public interest to reveal that fact. But this story, and folks reaction to it, shows just how foolish it is for the government to behave in a way that makes its citizens distrust it. Put yourself in Greenwald's shoes for a moment. If the NSA requested that he redact a specific individual's name from the list prior to release, how would Glenn determine whether the request is legit? Now, imagine dozens if not hundreds of such named individuals. My point is that for journalists to display discretion for national security reasons, they either have to have access to an array of top secret information, or they have to trust the government. Given Glenn's treatment by the U.S. Government, he has no reason to trust them - at all. Hence, I suspect that he is asking the government for proofs that specified individuals are being legitimately investigated - and providing him that information would make him even more dangerous to the NSA. Perhaps Glenn is playing his hand just right.
I know. and remember we have only seen a 3 or 4% of what Snowdden had and not the super good stuff. The govt. is fighting like demons to keep data away from us and people finding out what truly was going on. The best they could do is to just dump it all and let everyone see.
Hey George, are you as sure as I am that your name is on the NSA list? You and at least 20 other solid journalists that don't work for one of the MSM porpaganda machines.
I would be delighted to find out that my name is on the list. If your name is on the list, they're scared of you.
One day soon they will be scared of everyone.
That's likely what the 1 billion rounds of ammo were for...