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The Emerging German-Russian Axis

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Submitted by Charles Gave via Gavekal Dragonomics,

This weekend has seen the European Union do a stitch-up deal so that arch-federalist Jean-Claude Juncker became Commission president. To be honest, who gets to play eurocrat in chief is of no great interest to me, but the manner of the appointment tells us lots about the changing nature of power in Europe. Governments from Stockholm to Rome reportedly opposed Juncker, but ultimately none would defy Berlin. Also this weekend, it is worth noting some ostensibly bland comments by Vladimir Putin at a German-Russian official function: “We value the accumulated potential of Russian-German relations and the high level of trade and economic cooperation. Germany, one of the European Union leaders, is our most important partner in enhancing peace, global and regional security.”

I would contend that we are seeing a decisive shift in the political character of Eurasia. History tells us that long wars have tended to be fought between maritime empires and continental empires. Think of Athens vs. Sparta, Carthage vs. Rome or Britain vs. Napoleonic France. The last big fight was between the US and the Soviet Union ended in favor of the maritime empire. As a result, since 1989 we have lived in an order ultimately run by the US military. But after some unpleasantness playing the role of global policeman, that maritime empire is in retreat.

The consequence of this move toward isolation is that a bunch of ‘continental empires’ are starting to challenge the monopoly of “legal” international violence that the US has exercised for the last 25 years. The most obvious challengers can be seen in the shape of Sunni Muslims across the Middle East, or in East Asia where a more confident and assertive China is stating its case for preeminence. Such struggles have the potential to become major regional problems, but what worries me more is the emerging continental alliance between Russia and Germany. Preventing such a partnership has for centuries been an idée fixe for French diplomacy, and for good reason. A combination of German industrial might and Russian raw materials and military strength would instantly create a colossus. The Poles, who have been perennial victims of engagements between Germany and Russia, are already visibly panicking, as they should be.

Historically, Paris has tended to ally with the Russians, not because it liked them but to prevent Germany from doing the same. The problem is that France has nothing to offer Russia (save some nice holiday homes and mooring berths for tycoons on its Mediterranean coast) and is, in any case, more focused on perfecting its own political and economic suicide.

This leaves the UK as the only shield against an alliance in the east. But this weekend we saw a clear statement of where Berlin sees its interests. Soothing words of “don’t go” may have been offered to London after the Juncker vote, but the incident has confirmed that the landscape has shifted from a European Germany to a German Europe.

The UK now seems set on a path to leave the EU within four years. The chances of London achieving the kind of root-and-branch treaty change that would keep it in the EU must rank as being close to nil. And as Winston Churchill said: “England does not belong to Europe, it belongs to the seas.” As was the case in the mid-20th century, the UK is unlikely to join a continental empire as a junior member and, when decision time arrives, it will stay allied with the US-led maritime empire.

In the old system, Europe was a kind of protectorate of the US maritime empire, a set-up that worked reasonably well. The challenge to the status quo comes from the east where Vladimir Putin has the clear goal of creating a new Russian/German alliance whose fief will run through Eastern Europe. If he succeeds, this will be a major loss for the maritime empire, especially if the UK has removed itself as an EU player.

There will be major political repercussions in the US from such a political carve up. The question will not only be how did “we” come to lose Asia and the Middle East, but also “our” most reliable and pliable ally—Europe.


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Wed, 07/02/2014 - 17:06 | 4919190 Groundhog Day
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Bilateral trade in rubles and euros up next

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 17:08 | 4919195 gh0atrider
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Bu.. bu.. but gh0at thought Karen Hudes said there would be no German-Russian alliance?

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 17:09 | 4919201 Manthong
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Putin speaks German nearly as good as Russian.. His kids go to school in Germany.. and where and when did Angela grow up?    Noodleman ain’t screwing this one up with no f’n NGO’s.

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 17:16 | 4919227 Pladizow
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Yay, Octoberfest with vodka!

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 17:25 | 4919258 Manthong
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Jede nacht at Manthonghaus

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 18:16 | 4919410 The Alarmist
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"The question will not only be how did “we” come to lose Asia and the Middle East, but also “our” most reliable and pliable ally—Europe."

When you have senior State Department types caught dead-on saying "F*@k the EU."  Forgive me for the invoking image of Vicky Nuland wearning a wife-beater, but at some point the battered partner needs to find new shelter. 

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 21:23 | 4919917 SafelyGraze
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fortunately, netiher russia nor germany has any interest in creating closer ties with countries in the middle east

they would have to ask permission to do that

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 23:10 | 4920195 Oh regional Indian
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Not true, what about the Russian SU 25's to Iraq? Massive Assad support? Iran support?

The death cross is going to have all manners of secret governments who are the collective Third reich vs. the rest of the world I think.

But if Operation  High-jump+rat lines story is true.....holy vaticular smoke, we've got a formidable creature at our hands.

Oh and there is a coonspiracy (!!!) theory that Hillary and Angela are both Hitler's daughters....and 2016 is the year.

And do notice, female CB head in Russia. Very interesting, Indian mega banks are dominated by women CEOs (all appointed in the last 7-10 years). See Laggard (IMuff), Yellin (IAM)....etc...


Wed, 07/02/2014 - 23:23 | 4920236 BKbroiler
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Jesus, if this site get any more pro-Russia it will be hard to claim libertarian.  Give it a rest with dreamboat Putin, he's a fucking thug and no better than our own "leaders".

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 23:45 | 4920298 stoneworker
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The enemy of my enemy mentality....idk what exactly do you not like about him?

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 00:15 | 4920359 Tall Tom
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Maybe I do not like that Putin is a fucking psychopathic thug and a murderous one at that. (Now of course Obama is a psychopathic murderous Chicago thug...)


Trading one thug for another is still a choice for evil.


You do not become KGB Bureau Chief of East Germany without killing a few competitors.


I know...I know...To make an omlette you have to break a few eggs but, seriously?

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 00:25 | 4920374 stoneworker
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So your only proof of him murdering someone is that he worked for the KGB? As I understand it he was not the Bureau chief ....I understand what you mean that people cannot become rulers on that level without getting their hands dirty, but....innocent until proven guilty is how I choose to live my life.

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 00:36 | 4920382 strannick
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Don't forget the McCain, Hilary, Kerry, Pelosi muderous psychopathic thugs. I mean, like you said, you don't get to that level of ect. ect. ect. The Unknown Putin on YouTube makes for a good watch.

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 01:06 | 4920438 Tall Tom
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As I responded below...We are not exceptional...not at all.

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 00:34 | 4920384 BKbroiler
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that's not the point.  It's like when you hate a sibling but don't want to hear other people talk badly about them.  Our leaders might be idiots but they're our leaders.  I doubt you'd want to live in Russia, and idolizing foreigh leaders just seems fringe like to me.  

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 00:47 | 4920408 Anusocracy
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I don't identify with, nor relate to, any of the psychopaths.

What I do consider is whose psychopaths are the most dangerous.

Those in the US and those who support them are. That includes the dupes outside of .gov.

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 01:14 | 4920446 Tall Tom
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Have your investments returned blood money?


Did you pay taxes to a regime that murdered 500,000 Iraqi children so that Dollar hedgmony continue and you enjoyed a higher standard of living as a result?


Nobody is innocent...not even me.


As Tyler Durden says, "Your level of participation is [entirely] up to you."


How complicit are you in the continuation of this nightmare?


Are you choosing another psychopatic thug because the one in office here is evil?


I have got some bad news. That one is evil...just as evil as the one who occupies 1600 Pennslyvania Ave.

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 04:58 | 4920677 conscious being
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Your comparison is useless.  One is a puppet and one grabbed the reins of power in a bold move when he had the chance, to save his country and his faith.

If you have something factual to say instead of useless generalizations, then lets hear it.

FYI, the people he had force to let go of Russia were well connected with Western power elite, banking and media.  So of course the Western media is going to do its best to trash the guy.

If you have some specific accusations about why he's a bad guy, then lets hear it, but just repeating over and over "Putin's a bad guy." ... is kind of stupid.  Like you've been MKULTRA'd or someting.

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 05:12 | 4920695 Tall Tom
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Like you've been MKULTRA'd or someting.


LMAO...Any source which I reveal will be dismissed by you as "Western Propaganda". I do not engage in pointless dialouge.


You can choose to support evil if you want. Personally I will reject it, American or Russian style.


The choice between the lesser of two evils is a choice for evil.


If you choose evil then you shall reap evil. Enjoy the consequences of your choices.

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 06:21 | 4920772 Headbanger
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Look.  The main reason we're seeing Putin and Merkel doing this is




History is indeed repeated itself it this regard.

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 09:10 | 4921069 conscious being
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"Any source which I reveal will be dismissed by you as "Western Propaganda".

Weak, weak response.  You are full of BS and have nothing to back up your BS, which means, your kind of a useless troll, just running your mouth and taking up space.

If you have something, throw it out there.  Don't worry about me.  If you have something legitimate, the ZH Community will get behind you, if not, then see preceding line about you being a useless troll.


Thu, 07/03/2014 - 14:15 | 4922227 layman_please
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"...and one grabbed the reins of power in a bold move when he had the chance, to save his country and his faith."

this is one of the most naive thing i have heard about any ruler in a long time. if you would know anything about history and russia, and moreover about russian history, you wouldn't need any proof that there is not a single ruler in the world who's is an angel. especially someone from a country (russia) that is as corrupt as us and a, although in a culturally different way and with slightly less imperial ambition.


Thu, 07/03/2014 - 00:55 | 4920420 stoneworker
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Here is the thing imagine that they are not your "leaders" but your masters who are leading you into the abyss for personal gain....Sure the other guy is also a master of other people, but at least right now he is not the one leading you into the abyss. I don't think Russia is as bad as the media tries to portray it....I have  a couple of friends who have been to Russia on business....they said...the freedoms are basically the same, the taxes are lower, but the weather is worse and there is a language barrier especially if you go to the countryside. Anyway I am not idolizing anybody, but I do think people should be judged objectively. 

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 01:09 | 4920442 Anusocracy
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Ingroup-outgroup morality is just an emotional response in this day and age. Sort of like confirmation bias.

It is a survival adaptation that is no longer useful and has actually become harmful- like the worldwide blind respect for authority.

Stupid stupid meat puppets.

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 01:20 | 4920456 Tall Tom
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Sure the other guy is also a master of other people, but at least right now he is not the one leading you into the abyss.


WRONG. The other guy is leading you into the abyss as fast, if not quicker, as our own leaders as he is SELF INTERESTED. He does not care for his own people and can actually care less about those whom are not his own.


You are a useful tool to be thrown under the bus when you are no longer useful...discarded like an old rag.

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 01:28 | 4920468 stoneworker
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The other guy is not leading you anywhere because he is not your "leader"...there is such a thing as a lesser evil.

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 01:49 | 4920498 Tall Tom
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You mean that if Putin decides to declare a hot war against the USA that I will not in any way be affected?


Wow. Thanks. I will sleep a little bit better.




I refuse to choose evil. Greater...or lesser.

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 02:55 | 4920568 stoneworker
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You basically do everyday by choosing where you sleep...there will be no hot nuclear war. Hot war will destroy everything these bankers have created that is not their goal...sleep in peace

Fri, 07/04/2014 - 12:36 | 4924740 Anusocracy
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"if Putin decides to declare a hot war against the USA"

I guess you are unaware of the US being the aggressor during the Cold War. Still is.

" refuse to choose evil. Greater...or lesser."

Really? I see a bias towards criticizing Russia. I despise every government, but I'm wary of the most actionable evil: the US.

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 01:45 | 4920492 Ward no. 6
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right  russia is not as bad as the media would portray....

Russian Stereotypes & Russophobia

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 01:25 | 4920463 Ward no. 6
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i really don't think it would be such a bad place to live...

yakutia russia is full of interesting ppl

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 01:29 | 4920469 Ward no. 6
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so accept our leaders just cuz they are our leaders????

no thank you


Thu, 07/03/2014 - 01:03 | 4920435 Tall Tom
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....innocent until proven guilty is how I choose to live my life.


The innocent are the children and the sheep...


Not one damned Congresscritter is innocent. Not one damned US Senator is innocent. Thet get rich off of spilling others' blood.


Now we are not all that exceptional when considering the rest of the World.


Proof? Well at times the guilty walk...especially when they buy the courts.


Just because it can't be "proven" does not mean that it is not the case. So take a good look in the mirror and tell  yourself just how innocent you are. Justify your misdeeds.




That is the reality. Deal with it.

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 01:27 | 4920464 stoneworker
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This is the can throw any man in prison for the rest of his life and he will know the reason. According to you we should just start shooting at random people in power...well guess what you will probably end up killing the only decent person there and he will be replaced with somebody much worse. If you plan on changing something for the better you need to do it carefully.

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 01:44 | 4920487 Tall Tom
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Where in the hell did that non sequitur come from? When did I propose that?


(I may have wrote "Sharpening my Steel for the Guillotines" in previous posts but then sarcasm and satire may escape you. I may have wrote that destruction of Property is good. But, again, satire may escape you.)


Unfortunately for the statist the revolution will be very bloody and violent as the price for Liberty and Freedom is paid in blood.


As my level of participation is up to me. and that eventuality of Revolution has NOT, AS OF YET, MANIFESTED, suggesting that I have acted is a non sequitur.


But I will keep you in mind.


Now you can choose evil if you want. But there will be Hell to pay at the end of your life. Eternity is a very long time.

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 05:07 | 4920686 conscious being
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'Written' Tom.  Its 'written'.  You lost me at 'written'.  I got past non sequitor, but I think you meant 'strawman'?  But who knows?

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 00:04 | 4920342 Freddie
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Get any free bagels today at the bank?

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 00:09 | 4920349 stoneworker
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I think you are mistaking Putin for Nuland handing out cookies....

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 00:20 | 4920363 Tall Tom
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If you really think that Putin is not in the pockets of the Zionists, Freddie, then you are certainly deluded.


Just who in the hell set up post USSR collapse Russia? Where did the capital come from?


Follow the fucking money and use your head.

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 00:35 | 4920388 Grimnir
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Post USSR collapse? They've been running Russia far longer than that. Look up who funded the Bolshevik revolution and what group of people had a disproportionately high amount of positions in the Soviet government.

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 00:59 | 4920427 stoneworker
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Please don't buy the Jews ruled the Soviet Union Hitler crap..they may have helped start the revolution, but it was Stalin(an enthnic Georgian) who finished up on what happened to Trotsky and a lot of the other Jews that were there during the start.

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 01:30 | 4920470 Tall Tom
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There is a difference between Jews and Zionists.


I know many good Jews. I happen to love them. They are amongst the finest and noblest of people.


Proponents of Zionism, which is an offshoot of Zealotry, believe themselves to be superior and that the Goyim is to be ruled over.


Even Jesus Christ was opposed to the Zealots of his day.


I am enslaved to no one but Christ Jesus and that is by my choice.

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 01:49 | 4920501 Ward no. 6
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totally and completely agree....

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 01:21 | 4920458 Tall Tom
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Grimnir...Point taken.

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 00:37 | 4920391 stoneworker
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Perhaps...but I am going to need more than your comment to believe you have any proof/logic....when the USSR collapsed Yeltsin became the president of Russia....and what a president he was....I think the European puppets at least don't enjoy being puppets... It is unclear how Putin came to power, but things in Russia changed dramatically...the oligarchs were put down, the Chechen war was won, corruption decreased, salaries increased greatly....the man has and 80-90% approval rate he is doing something right. Also the rhetoric from the west also changed fact there is a saying I heard in Russia that when the west is blaming you it means you are doing everything correctly. My personal belief is that Putin came to power, because of a number of reasons. 1) Yeltsin was on his way out medically(he died a couple of years after leaving office and he was a heavy drinker) 2) the people were sick of democracy so the old guard "siloviki"(people in the police/military..) were actually starting to look pretty good and they had the support of the people in case of a coup 3) Putin had a reputation for holding his word and being an effective government official 4) The siloviki realized that this was their opportunity to take back Russia so they approached Yeltsin through Putin before his term ended and made it clear to him that if he simply drops everything and gets the hell out of Dodge neither he nor his family would be harmed...but if he does not they will all be dead(you would not take this threat likely from all the ex KGB apparatchiks) Putin's word made this deal possible. Perhaps I am wrong and all of that is fiction, but I think that believing that the world is already ruled by one entity simply does not explain all of this kabuki theater and constant nonsense. I recommed watching BBC's Putin Russia and the West it is very infromative in my opinion.

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 01:24 | 4920460 Tall Tom
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I recommed watching BBC's Putin Russia and the West it is very infromative in my opinion.


The BBC is the propaganda venue of the United Kingdom.


I will read, thanks.

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 01:30 | 4920472 stoneworker
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I know all about what BBC does this is why I think they will try and bring out the worst in Putin(not lie on his behalf) it and you will understand everything about modern Russia.

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 01:54 | 4920511 Tall Tom
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Keep watching your TeeVee. You need your regular nightly programming.

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 01:40 | 4920486 Ward no. 6
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u have some good thoughts here....

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 01:54 | 4920510 snip777
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Being a russian I agree with you, this is exactly what happend. Except I don't trust BBC.

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 02:58 | 4920572 stoneworker
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Watch the program...I probably did add some fiction from my imagination, but that is how I interpreted what they were broadcasting.

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 05:26 | 4920710 conscious being
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TT.  google this name - Brezovsky

You will see that he is the latest in a line of Zionist oligarchs who have wound up worse for wear after a run in with Mr. Vladomir Putin. Berzo threatened that he would make a few calls, round up the gang and over throw Putin.  He may have stated for publication that he would have Putin killed..

Berozovsky is now dead.

So think about this TT, how can Putin be on the Zino, team as you claim and yet be leaving dead high ranking Zinoes in his wake?

Just how is that possible?  Thanks in advance for your thoughtful reply.

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 00:38 | 4920390 BKbroiler
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Glad you removed the thong image from your avatar Freddie, that's a start.  You seem to want to think that I'm jewish for some reason, bagels from the bank? what?

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 01:26 | 4920466 Ward no. 6
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i think putin is H O T (no i am not a guy)

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 02:08 | 4920526 The Alarmist
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If you were, you'd probably think Nuland is PHAT.

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 05:27 | 4920711 barre-de-rire
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 isn't she ? wait... you lied to me ?

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 22:12 | 4920060 doctor10
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You could also be sure your Secetraies of State, representative of the USA to a dozen politically and militarily critical Muslim Countries, over a 10 year span, are females.  Niether of which (Condee Rice and Hillary Clinton) if they truly had the USA's best interests at heart, shouldl have accepted the job.  Instead they chose to try to ram DC PC down our "allies" throats-and act suprised when they vomit on our shoes-or kill our ambassadors.

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 03:00 | 4920574 BrokusDickusMaximus
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That female State  Dept. Ambassodor to Kuwait basically green lighted Saddam's invasion of Kuwait. April, I forgot her last name got it all started for G.H.W. Bush.I sat in the desert of Saudi Arabia for 5 months, waiting, all for  96 hours of combat. It sucked.

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 05:30 | 4920718 conscious being
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Gillespie [phonetic spelling.  Actual spelling may differ]

And it was a fake, phony, false-flag-like green light.

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 16:00 | 4922575 joethegorilla
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Oh yea, because nobody in the EU has ever said F* the USA. Foreign policy is a smash mouth game on all sides and giving credence to all this pro-russia communist sympathizing BS spouted by Zero Hedge is getting old.  Any German with a shred of intelligence knows that if it came down to it the Russians would starve Germany.

What the F kind of site is this?

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 18:19 | 4919418 Herd Redirectio...
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Now they just have to add Turkey, and that alliance has a SOLID grip of Central Europe (let alone Western, Southern and Eastern).

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 19:24 | 4919600 August
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This will leave Washington-London as the Axis of Evil.

At least until they restructure as the Axis of Has-Been Super Powers.

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 21:37 | 4919953 economics9698
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As long as the tribe is running the USA we are doomed.

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 00:16 | 4920361 Hugh G Rection
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"I've got one that can SEE!"

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 23:48 | 4920307 stoneworker
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I think this is all more wishful have to realize that Germany is an occupied country...if anything it is the French that could go first, but the current president is dancing to US fiddle... I doubt Europe is going to realize that they are being robbed blind anytime soon. If one of the Euroskeptics comes to power then we will see some real action.

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 17:24 | 4919255 0b1knob
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The last German Russian Axis (Hitler Stalin Pact) worked out SO WELL!!!

The only question is who will back stab the other first.

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 17:42 | 4919305 Wolferl
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The last German Russian axis worked extremly well.

Untill that lunatic Hitler started a war against the Russians for no reasons other than his paranoid world view.

Don´t think anybody in Germany will be as stupid a second time.

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 18:12 | 4919397 Dublinmick
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Hitler started a war in Russia because the Rothschild banking networks ordered him too. Hitler was a British agent.

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 21:02 | 4919864 Freddie
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He was also an usurper and not a native German but an Austrian.

The Russian deal for South Stream where Austria told the EU(SSR) to go F themselves was pretty telling.  utin is smart.  He acts like a partner with other countries.

The USA acts like a terrorist with it's slimy partners in crime.

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 00:15 | 4920356 svayambhu108
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Dublinmick Great music in that book trailer

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 00:09 | 4920350 john39
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Hitler invaded Russia because Stalin was preparing to do the same thing to Germany. When the bankers want a world war, the damn well get it.

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 14:28 | 4922275 layman_please
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good to see somebody is not ignorant about history.

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 00:29 | 4920379 explosivo
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Hitler invaded Russia for oil and land.

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 18:48 | 4919488 RadioactiveRant
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If I were German I'd be more worried about Russia settling scores after Molotov–Ribbentrop. Russia has a long memory, as the Ukrainian events prove, and Putin doesn't seem like the forgiving type. Can't imagine Poland would be thrilled by the pincer movement either.

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 19:13 | 4919563 Wolferl
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Yeah, the Poles will be fucked. But i guess they are kinda used to it.

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 21:04 | 4919872 stoneworker
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Has Poland ever won a war against another power?

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 21:16 | 4919895 Anusocracy
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I don't know, but they will viciously attack their own image in a mirror.

Half the time they win.

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 05:16 | 4920699 tumblemore
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Poland had a big empire for a time.

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 20:57 | 4919851 whirling tword ...
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What Germany starting a world war?  Never could happen.

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 21:10 | 4919882 sessinpo
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 Wolferl   The last German Russian axis worked extremly well.

Untill that lunatic Hitler started a war against the Russians for no reasons other than his paranoid world view.


Apparently the expansion and control of resources and people wasn't a reason in your view.

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 05:06 | 4920685 Wolferl
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Expansion? Look at a map of Germany in 1939 or even 1941 and tell me why should have Germany expanded even further? Resources? That´s what Germany buys on the market for a few pennies if there is no war. Like i said Hitler was a lunatic driven by some psychopathologic beliefs and it´s sad that the German elite failed to stop him in time.

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 21:56 | 4919913 Againstthelie
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What about the Soviet blackmail regarding the German supply from Rumanian oilfields?

And the offensive placement of 200 Soviet divisions at the border?

3.5 million(!) Soviet prisoner of war were made - in the first SIX WEEKS(!) of Barbarossa. Whole armies were stationed at the borders already.

Or what about 2000(!) destroyed Soviet planes within the first 24(!) hours of Barbarossa. They were not placed on regular airfields in the country for defense, but for the "Day M" at provisional airfields close to the borders.

And what about the official Communist plan of World Revolution?

Today Marxists prefer to stay silent about that fact, because it would open many eyes. But the globalists still follow the same old retarded world government agenda but these days call it New World Order...

Learn history.

The German Russian axis worked very well and if Russia would not have had a Marxist globalist regime with the criminal OFFICIAL goal of WORLD GOVERNMENT and a WORLD REPUBLIC - sounds familiar? - (funny how the globalists are attributing their own goals of world domination and world government falsely to those, that want only their own nation free and souvereign), indeed it probably would have worked for many decades - and it would have probably smashed the international banking cabal: since their barter trade system was a model for those parts of the world, not controlled already by the banking cabal.

In fact Germany's new barter trade system was a huge success, for example in trade with South America. Especially the poorer nations suddenly received a fair amount of first class machineries for their goods, instead of delivering their goods for world market prices, that are made by speculators, but are not reflecting the real value of the goods, where they are needed.

The globalist forces today (are the ones that won the war), will do everything to prevent this natural German-Russian partnership to develop. It would bear the potential to smash the world tyranny of money as debt and it would mean that USrael could lose it's German puppet - and who controls Germany controls Europe (Marx was wrong in many ways, but that was correct).

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 22:27 | 4920095 Tall Tom
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Don´t think anybody in Germany will be as stupid a second time.


Do not underestimate the stupidity of World Leaders.


The sad news is that the mean IQ is 100. That is not that great.


67% of all people are in the average range. 50% of people have double digit IQs.


Furthermore roughly 83% of people have IQs of Average and Below Average.


That is by the definition of what an IQ measures.


Guess what? The average IQ in Germany is the very same as the average IQ in Murica.


Yeah. They will do it again. You can take that and BANK ON IT.

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 05:38 | 4920725 conscious being
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IQ measurements are a joke Tom.

TD - captcha?

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 06:18 | 4920766 barre-de-rire
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you can be the most high IQ all time, if you face an idiot with a gun , whatever you say you die bullet in head,


you 0 - stupid 1


IQ tend to proove ability to elaborate and follow logics, the world is no longer logical. a man aiming another one is not logic.

threaten with a gun is by function illogic.


just because if you are aimed by a gun, you made something, were in bad location, whatever provoked that, it is your fault. so you not that smart.



Wed, 07/02/2014 - 17:41 | 4919309 COSMOS
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Well seeing that they both have American daggers in their back its a no brainer.

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 19:37 | 4919609 hobopants
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"Anti-Slavic racism was an essential component of Nazism.[9] Adolf Hitler and the Nazi party movement regarded Slavic countries(especially PolandSerbia and Russia) and their peoples as Untermenschen (subhumans), they were deemed as foreign nations that could not be considered part of the master race. There were exceptions for some Slavs deemed by the Nazis to be descendants of ethnic German settlers and who were willing to be Germanised.[9] Hitler considered the Slavs to be inferior as the Bolshevik Revolution had put the Jews in power over the mass of Slavs, who were, by his own definition, incapable of ruling themselves but instead being ruled by Jewish masters."

I think if I was Russian and ventured to do a Google Image search on what they did to my country men, I wouldn't want a damn thing to do with them. Especially since this was less than 80 years ago (not exactly ancient history) But the world is a funny place, so who knows... Maybe money speaks louder than the last generation's atrocities.

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 21:09 | 4919879 stoneworker
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The Russians had their chance to wipe out all of central Europe and Germany Hitler style...they did not. This is why an alliance can happen.

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 22:31 | 4920106 Tall Tom
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This is why it WILL NOT LAST.


Germans are, after all, German. They still believe themselves to be superior to the Slavs. They still are racist. They are still the same as they were in the 1930s and 1940s. Nothing has changed.


Awaiting the response from some arrogant German...

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 02:47 | 4920562 Grumbleduke
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Arrogance, the murican way!

Exceptionalism is an american concept, stay exceptional.

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 05:17 | 4920700 Tall Tom
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As I wrote before...we are not exceptional.


Neither are you.


You just demonstrate my point about the arrogance. Thanks.

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 17:46 | 4919326 Kirk2NCC1701
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60 years later, and the US Army is STILL occupying Germany, and spying on them 24/7.

Yeah, sure, it's what "friends" do, right?

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 22:36 | 4920111 Tall Tom
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Frenemies, Kirk. Damnit...FRENEMIES.

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 17:57 | 4919364 nidaar
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Hitler became desperate for oil and attacked as a last resort Russia for its Caucasian oil. This time its the other way, US and UK are becoming desperate for oil and Russia will happily supply Germany until dollar hegemony dies...

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 21:10 | 4919881 in4mayshun
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God Damn "Raciss" oil

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 22:34 | 4920114 Tall Tom
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Until, afterwards, Russia cuts it off. Then Germany will be in the same state as it was in the 1941 Wartime era.


The Germans have a memory too.

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 22:52 | 4920157 zombie suarez
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May have also had something to do with Russian troops lining up on their borders

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 05:08 | 4920689 COSMOS
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The Russians left Eastern Germany and the Germans to their own, the USA still hasn't left Germany.  Russia is not a threat to Germany, the USA is.

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 18:48 | 4919487 FlyingDutchman
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Amen to that!

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 19:44 | 4919644 Kirk2NCC1701
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Seems like good chemistry for both sides.  And if there's one thing Angie understands, it's Chemistry.  She has a PhD in Physical Chemistry and her husband has a PhD in Quantum Chemistry.  Unlike America's leaders, who're all "lawyers" (that tells you all), she has a real education.

Which means that she understands technical material on policy issues that are thrown at her.  Unlike our leaders.


Wed, 07/02/2014 - 22:32 | 4920108 jerry_theking_lawler
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and simply passing a PChem course is almost impossible (speaking from experience as a ChE that has taken every math, chemistry, thermo, etc)...majoring in it is down right insane.

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 22:41 | 4920135 Tall Tom
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Angela Merkel will not lead forever.


I am sure that she understands the importance of Energy. But Russia will use it as a Poker Chip. Merkel's best ally is a Nuclear USA to put Putin into check.


I am NOT SUPPORTING ANY OF THIS STATIST CRAP. But just because I do not support it does not give me license to deny the truth.

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 05:43 | 4920730 conscious being
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Tom you are ... in your mother's basement.  With that last comment, I just figured it out.

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 23:51 | 4923878 Tall Tom
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My mother has been dead for over a decade.


I am a Fifty Five Year old man.


So fuck you.


Come on out to my Second Story Apartment. Bring your guns and let's go hunting.


12223B Woodside Ave.

Lakeside, CA, USA

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 21:00 | 4919847 Againstthelie
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Putin is friendly torwards Germany, but Merkel (Kamierczak) is Jewish and her agenda is to increase the power of Zion. Germany has the most extreme ZOG in Europe.

Kamierczak recieved the highest Israeli medal shortly before the coup in Ukraine. She has built up Jew Klitschko as politician. Kamierczak even publicly stated, that the reasons of the German state was the support of Israel!

Kamierczak gave three ultra-modern nuclear-weapon capable U-boats for free to Israel. The German embassies now even are working for Israelis in countries, where Israel does not have embassies.

Kamierczak and it's ZOG will do everything to strenghten USrael's grip over Europe and will do everything to prevent the natural German - Russian partnership to develop.

Currently the German ZOG is not only supporting the USRaeli agenda in Ukraine, but also harming their relations with Russia as the most reliable energy supplier for German industry and Europe. Disadvantages to the German industry and Europe do not count when USrael can make money by selling LNG to Europe instead of Russia, just like the catastrophic disadvantages for the USA do not count, when their foreign policy helps the USraeli agenda.

And Kamiercak and their ZOG is also one of the main forces behind the suicidal free trade agreement with USrael. Although this will harm the much higher German social standards, bring GMO-poison and other disgusting agro-industrial USraeli inventions to the small scale European agricultural sector and turn the EUSSR into the total vassal of USrael, Kamierczak is supporting it.

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 21:47 | 4919997 My Days Are Get...
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These remarks are factually incorrect and pure propaganda.  I am no Merkel lover and can not understand why she was re-elected.  Her father was a protestant minister. She seems to be controlled by Washington.  But, when push comes to shove, the Germans are not going to go bankrupt, just to remain politically aligned with the US.  Russia is too important as German customer and energy supplier.  Merkel speaks Russian and Putin speaks German - they both understand each other and will find a way for Merkel to keep face with the Americas but continue all business with Russia.

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 00:02 | 4920336 Freddie
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The USA is controlled by Berlin/Frankfurt, London, Rome and a few other places.  The Red Sheild et al.

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 01:51 | 4920507 Ward no. 6
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interesting to learn that Merkel speaks russian and Putin speaks german....


Thu, 07/03/2014 - 03:09 | 4920582 Ghordius
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and they both speak a bit of English, like me and half of Europe. where the majority speaks two or three languages. except one archipel which is very monolingual

it's the same thing with the word "multicultural". here, it means something different, and has only marginally something to do with immigrants

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 06:28 | 4920778 barre-de-rire
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Au cours de leur dialogue du mercredi 5 mars, Vladimir Poutine s’est risqué à appeler Angela Merkel par son prénom. Et elle s’est résignée à l’imiter. Autre changement notable : plutôt que de se vouvoyer en allemand, comme c’était jusqu’alors le cas, ils s’interpellent à présent dans leur langue respective, histoire de prendre du temps pour réfléchir lorsque, mobilisés pour l’occasion, leurs interprètes traduisent leurs propos. Et de surtout bien saisir les possibles méandres de la pensée de l’autre.


he talks to her german, she respond in russian, with a friendly maner.

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 23:08 | 4920196 Kirk2NCC1701
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Reference?  All my research suggests she's German.  Her maiden name was KASNER, and her grandfather was born a Polish Catholic, but converted to German Lutheran.  Her father may have been in the Hitler youth.

Not that Wikipedia is the end-all and be-all, but even it suggests nothing but Germanic background.

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 03:12 | 4920584 Ghordius
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meanwhile she is the chancellor of Germany, and nevertheless she can't go against the wishes of her own party, or the alliances of her party, the coalition of continental conservative parties which met in Ireland and choose Juncker as their "lead candidate" for the commission's presidency

which leads me to ask: are British and American parties so far away from democracy that "leaders", once chosen, become party dictators?

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 21:01 | 4919859 stoneworker
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I minused you, because I don't think you have any proof that his kids go to school in Germany if you do please show me.

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 22:43 | 4920143 Tall Tom
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Were his children raised in East Germany when and WHERE he was the KGB Bureau Chief?

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 03:50 | 4920612 stoneworker
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Thu, 07/03/2014 - 05:26 | 4920707 Tall Tom
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From 1985 to 1990, the KGB stationed Putin in Dresden, East Germany.[33] During that time, Putin was assigned to Directorate S, the illegal intelligence-gathering unit (the KGB's classification for agents who used falsified identities) where he was given cover as a translator and interpreter.[34] One of Putin's jobs was to coordinate efforts with the Stasi to track down and recruit foreigners in Dresden, usually those who were enrolled at the Dresden University of Technology, in the hopes of sending them undercover in the United States. Despite this, Putin biographer Masha Gessen disputes the "KGB Spymaster" image that has been built around him and instead says that Dresden was essentially a backwater job that Putin himself resented:


Are you intentionally publishing misinformation?


Are you a Russian whose job it is to whitewash your glorious leader.


Oh...I know...Wikipedia, scoured over and corrected by scholars with source material is just a propaganda front for Western Interests.


The infowars go deep.


Just how much are you paid per post?

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 01:18 | 4920454 Motorhead
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I keep reading and hearing that Putin speaks German after being stationed in Dresden with the KGB, but, despite all of the press conferences and meetings with Frau Merkel, I've never, ever heard one peep of the German language come out of Putin's mouth.

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 02:39 | 4920553 Treason Season
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@02:40 he begins in German.

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 06:45 | 4920788 agent default
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Good. Then he should read up on the Ribbentrop-Molotov pact and what came out of it. 

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 17:41 | 4919306 ForWhomTheTollBuilds
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Pfft, this is nothing that America cannot smooth over by blustering, threatening and waving its arms in the air.

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 18:52 | 4919502 Monty Burns
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Or if Obama/Kerry draw another Red Line.  That'll stop those pesky Russians and Germans on the spot.

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 22:57 | 4920168 zombie suarez
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I don't know why they haven't just drawn a red line al the way along Russias borders. That should do the job

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 05:51 | 4920738 conscious being
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ZATO intends to cross that border. The red lines will need to be internal somewhere.

Hey, your avatar ... topical.  Beware the chompster.

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 17:16 | 4919228 RockRiver
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Hard to blame Germany for getting tired of Presidents like Obama...

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 17:39 | 4919298 Schizofrantic Squonk
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Matt Johnson (The The) had it right in 1986:


The ammunition's been passed, and the lords been praised,
But the wars on the televisions will never be explained,
All the bankers gettin sweaty, beneath their white collars,
As the pound in our pocket, turns into a dollar.

This is the 51st state--of the U. S. A.

An oldie but a goodie:

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 17:42 | 4919314 COSMOS
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Obama is no Jesse Owens that is for sure.  The Germans dont like the Nobel Prize Winner anymore.  He didnt quite draw the crowds like he did on his first trip there LOL.  It was just a bunch of press reporters.

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 05:54 | 4920740 conscious being
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Nobody would clap.  That was terrific.

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 18:42 | 4919469 Dublinmick
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Part of the American presidency is in Germany and the other part of it is in Rome and London.

Bama just reads teleprompters and plays golf

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 18:55 | 4919508 Monty Burns
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Bama just reads teleprompters and plays golf

Beats me how anyone could think otherwise.....

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 17:34 | 4919276 drendebe10
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... another intended/unintended foreign policy success by the arrogant, incompetent, corrupt, narcissistic, illegal indonesian kenyan alien muslim sociopathic liar in chief only interested in its celebrity grand imperial golf life style.... 

"This keeps getting better and better."  Arnold Schwarznegger as Dutch in Predator.

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 20:02 | 4919685 caShOnlY
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that krazy phucker jim willie called this, after the "underwater carribean prisons" I wrote him off. 

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 22:06 | 4920045 Rusty Shorts
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I dunno, I just looked at some info on "Underwater Nuclear Power Plants..."

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 23:38 | 4920284 praxis
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that crazy bastard has been on a roll!  He called the Sunni insurgency and our reproachment with Iran...still waiting for the Sheiss Dollar

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 05:57 | 4920745 conscious being
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Sometimes the truth teller has to be the jester to stay alive.  Same as it ever was.

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 17:06 | 4919192 NOTaREALmerican
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Let's just make England our 52nd state and be done with it.

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 17:14 | 4919219 0b1knob
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According to Choomboy there are 57 states.   So England would be the 58th.

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 17:35 | 4919284 drendebe10
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...."navy corpse-man"....

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 17:43 | 4919317 COSMOS
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they certainly would fit right in, a bunch of whiteys overrun by immigrants LOL

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 17:48 | 4919335 Urban Redneck
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profit-to-earnings ratios...

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 17:14 | 4919220 krispkritter
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I think you meant '58th state'...?

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 17:55 | 4919353 Oldrepublic
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airstrip one

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 18:44 | 4919477 Dublinmick
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Why would the UK allow it's colony who owes them 18 trillion annex them. You are assuming diebold voting machines would allow anyone that heretical near the presidency without a JFK going down on them.

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 18:50 | 4919493 RadioactiveRant
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Why would the US give up its second seat on the Security Council?

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 17:08 | 4919194 Kaiser Sousa
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Wed, 07/02/2014 - 17:09 | 4919202 Groundhog Day
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of course UK will stay alligned with the US, both are rehypothication havens.  They created the shitshow we are in, they'll go down in flames and take the rest of the world with them if need be

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 17:10 | 4919209 LawsofPhysics
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Simply put, sometimes it is important to know your neighbor (especially when they have the energy/resources to power you eCONomy).

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 17:12 | 4919214 Quus Ant
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I photoshopped a pic of Vladimir riding a naked Merkel.  Can't upload it.  Use your imagination.

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 17:17 | 4919233 HamRove
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I don't have enough mind bleach for that macabre scene.

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 18:13 | 4919402 Dublinmick
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Work on that merkel pic so I can save it to desk top

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 17:13 | 4919215 gcjohns1971
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Germany plus Russia = Eurasian Empire

China + North Korea = East Asian Empire

Britain + Canada + North (and South?) America = Oceania

Mr Gave has proven he has read Orwell.

The history of peaceful cooperation between Russia and Germany is just 'sauce for the goose' as they say.


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