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Obama Worst President Since World War II, More Say US Would Be Better Under Romney, Latest Poll Finds

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The president is increasingly finding that telling the Mr. Chairmanwoman to rig the market to all time highs does not translate to a comparable popularity rating. In fact, just the opposite.

While Obama's slide in the polls is nothing new, the latest data from the Quinnipiac University Poll is about as bad as it gets for the president: in fact, perhaps the only thing more shocking than Obama "surpassing" George W. Bush as the worst president since World War II is the onset of revisionism, with some 45% saying the US would have been better with Romney as president, compared to just 38% who say Obama remains the better choice. Which incidentally confirms what we reported yesterday: while the Republican view of Obama has certainly never been lower, what is worse is that even the core democrat faithful are now giving up on the hope and change bringer, confirmed by the latest Gallup poll which saw democrat confidence in the economy tumbling to the lowest level for 2014.

More from Washington Times:

With Mr. Obama deploying military troops to Iraq, failing to find compromise with Congress and seeing major defeats in the Supreme Court, voters continue to sour on him.

 

Quinnipiac found 45 percent of voters say the country would have been better off if Mr. Romney, the 2012 GOP nominee, had been election, while just 38 percent say Mr. Obama remains a better choice. Even Democrats aren’t so sure — just 74 percent of them told the pollsters Mr. Obama was clearly the better pick in the last election.

 

Voters also rate him the worst president since World War II, topping even his predecessor, President George W. Bush, who had left office with terrible ratings.

 

“Over the span of 69 years of American history and 12 presidencies, President Barack Obama finds himself with President George W. Bush at the bottom of the popularity barrel,” said Tim Malloy, assistant director of the Quinnipiac University Poll.

 

A Zogby Analytics Poll released Wednesday also found Mr. Obama slipping — in that survey, to 44 percent approval, while his disapproval leapt 4 percentage points from last month to reach 54 percent.

 

Nearly half of voters told the Zogby poll that Mr. Obama is “unable to lead the country.”

And now, back to hoping and praying that by rigging the Dow Jones above the "psychological level" of 17,000, voters will finally notice and give Obama his due.

 

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Wed, 07/02/2014 - 08:01 | 4917072 intric8
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Obama "failing to compromise in congress"?

Oh, he'll just bypass em.

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 08:07 | 4917090 GetZeeGold
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Yeah....bad President.....but a pretty good despot!

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 08:12 | 4917103 I am more equal...
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Jimmy Carter can now rest in peace.

Obama is about to set the record. U...S...A! U...S...A! U...S...A!

 

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 08:14 | 4917110 negative rates
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He'll be the worst until the next one.

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 08:22 | 4917140 NoDebt
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He's incompetent.  It only gets worse from that point.

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 08:29 | 4917165 GetZeeGold
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Still gonna give him the benefit of just being incompetent I see.

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 08:39 | 4917215 NoDebt
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No, incompetent is IN ADDITION TO lazy, arrogant, treasonous, murderous, and criminally negligent.

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 09:09 | 4917316 Headbanger
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New slogan !

    O MUST GO!

 

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 09:17 | 4917355 BigJim
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When the American people say they think Romney would have been exactly the same as Obama then we'll know we're getting somewhere.

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 09:29 | 4917404 GetZeeGold
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Oh....I'm sure they've both attended the "Cremation of Care" ceremony....if that's what you're saying.

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 09:40 | 4917434 Gaius Frakkin' ...
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Just remember "I love freedumb day" is coming up.

'Merica... false choices for fake people.

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 09:51 | 4917483 DaddyO
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Bullshit!

Don't lump all 'Mericans into  the same pile.

More and more are waking up everyday, this poll is proof positive of that fact.

Unfortunately, it may be too late as I believe, we are past the tipping point.

Vichy DC will not heal itself. Voting for change may be a zero sum game as well.

But stop with all the generalizations already!

DaddyO

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 10:02 | 4917532 Manthong
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At least Bush’s tyranny and evil was conducted in secret, not “In your face”.

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 10:16 | 4917595 Odin
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"He'll be the worst until the next one."

 

Exactly, it wouldn't matter who was in the placeholder role of "president". There has not been a real president since the coup of '63. As the cabal continues to tighten it's strangle hold, the executive branch will become more and more tyrannical. My prediction, there will be a another massive "terrorist" attack, the cabal will blame it on this new ISIS group they have invented, and we will be placed into a state of permanent marshal law.

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 10:20 | 4917605 linniepar
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Probably because he can't prove he is American and is a Manchurian Candidate. 

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 11:20 | 4917801 Four chan
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this ^ and "another manchurian candidate" remember bill question mark past clinton?

remember when he tryied to pick winners in the solar industry? lol whew that cost us!

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 11:47 | 4917917 Save_America1st
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he's the presidential puppet version of a Marxist/Fascist Overton Window, trying to throw us so far left towards tyranny and authoritarianism in hopes that America will never survive it and never get back to anything resembling freedom as it should be. 

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 14:14 | 4918131 Quus Ant
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Awww.. isn't that cute... the rabble thinks there is an alternative.  That this would be better than that.  That corporatist Romney would have slowed the fascist march, brought the troops home and held our hands through childbirth.  Queue up the next savior, boys.  And make him a Bush.

 

"When the American people say they think Romney would have been exactly the same as Obama then we'll know we're getting somewhere." BigJim

No alternative on the ballot or the survey.  Would you like a kick in the groin or a punch in the balls?

"Punch in the balls, please......."

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 14:58 | 4918748 DirtyWilly
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I wouldn't count the Democrats out yet.  I'm sure they can come up with well worse candidates.  Just think if Kerry was elected, or Hilary.  She can't even preach jive to her southern voters.

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 19:52 | 4919663 Anusocracy
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We will be getting somewhere when None of Above is on the ballot and all the voters pick it.

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 20:09 | 4919713 Quus Ant
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Look into alternating current.  It gets the job done.

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 11:29 | 4917833 TBT or not TBT
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Probably his documentation shows he passed himself off as foreign throughout his academic years, for the boost that gave him then, sorta like fauxcahontas of Massachusetts.   That's one very likely reason no records about that have been leaked, never mind released on purpose.  The long form birth certificate probably has something else very problematic, as he was perhaps a bastard, or his actual father was the American communist and pornographer his mom had been around at the time of his conception. 

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 11:55 | 4917940 GeezerGeek
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If his father had, in fact, been an American communist then Barack would, at least, be a natural born citizen. Take that, you Birthers!

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 12:03 | 4917971 TBT or not TBT
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Frank Marshal Davis.   Obama refers to him as "pop" or something close to that in one of his two autobiographies.  His mom and grandparents made a point of having Obama see Frank as a mentor.   One kinda cool thing is resemblance.   Obama looks a lot more like Frank than he does his nominal Kenyan father.   

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 12:17 | 4918029 Herd Redirectio...
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The similarity is uncanny.

And wouldn't you know it, O's power base is Chicago, Frank Marshall Davis' old haunt.

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 12:33 | 4918091 Lost Word
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Obama as Natural Born citizen because Obama true son of Frank Marshall Davis?

Only if the illegitimate Son of the illegitimate Father could be proved in a court of law.

Otherwise the Birth Certificate Father is the Legal Father, thus Obama NOT Legal Natural Born citizen.

Obama would be happy to have the Communist Frank Marshall Davis as his legal father,

so why doesn't Obama make that claim for being Natural Born citizen?

Presumably because it is Untrue.

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 11:43 | 4917898 Overfed
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Martial law, dammit.   Marshal makes guitar amps.

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 12:12 | 4918006 Miles Ahead
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Marshall dammit.  Marshall makes guitar amps.

Marshal is the highest rank in some military structures.

Fixed it.

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 12:24 | 4918054 Overfed
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Yeah. I missed that second 'L'. Dammit.

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 12:29 | 4918087 Miles Ahead
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Yeah.  Unfortunately a musician just happened to pass by...  :)   (although not a guitarist ironically). 

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 11:30 | 4917839 FeralSerf
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". . . Bush’s tyranny and evil was conducted in secret . . ."

9/11 and the Iraq and Afghan wars were a secret?

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 12:09 | 4917991 El Vaquero
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Think NSA.  And we have yet to hear of Bush using the IRS. 

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 12:55 | 4918199 Lost Word
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The Truth is still secret.

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 10:56 | 4917724 barre-de-rire
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wake up for what, hillary ? when..? 2016 ? this nigger cannot do 3rd mandat.

 

auto solved problem.

 

the main problem is not  who is set in charge, the problem is who set in charge.

 

you elected him for a 2nd run, so pls, take your own responsabilities.

 

 

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 21:21 | 4919911 WeNeedaRealGovt
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Compared to W and other racist assholes the GOP puts up, I'm glad he's our president.  

Asshats like Barre who don't like him means the country is going in the right direction.

Wed, 07/30/2014 - 17:03 | 5024339 Zerozen
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Ah yes, the old "if you didn't vote for O you must be a racist" card

Never mind that O is kind of a racist himself, but black racism is OK, right? It's only when whitey does it that it's bad!

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 11:54 | 4917939 Gaius Frakkin' ...
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You must be joking.

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 18:13 | 4919401 Miffed Microbio...
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I think you are right DaddyO. In my view the ones at the lower end are starting to get it. My demographic, not so much.

Goes to show duress can help one to enlightenment. I sincerely hope they will understand the true enemies when it blows. In the French Revolution they guillotined the bad guys and then turned on the innocent, thirsty for blood. Nature, when out of balance for so long tends to over correct.

Miffed;-)

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 21:17 | 4919899 nmewn
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Am I too late to try a Top Gear anti-reality show?

Except, I really can't be that deceptive ;-)

"We are the ones we have been waiting for." - who said that? No, its not who everyone thinks it was, it was...June Jones.

http://www.junejordan.net/poem-for-south-african-women.html

How about, "Yes we can!" - again, no...that was Sponge Bob Square Pants...lol.

http://spongebob.nick.com/videos/clip/yes-we-can-music-video.html

The realization of what audacity really is (and the danger of a spellbound gullible public) may be the best things to come out of this debacle.

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 12:19 | 4921785 Miffed Microbio...
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Thanks,
I am struggling at times to find some hope in all of this. Courage is needed now but near the end when all is lost it may not be necessary. I am thankful every day I have now knowing what may be our future.

Miffed;-)

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 09:34 | 4917415 SilverDOG
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...and truly comperhend the leadership value of PUTIN, regardless of which proverbial "side" he may be on.

WakeTheF*#%Up Merica, you are ASSleep and your vote is counted upon, to not make a difference.

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 09:37 | 4917426 Never One Roach
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But he was handed the Nobel Peace Prize and he also gave Buffet the "Medal of Freedom."

 

Gee......

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 09:43 | 4917448 swmnguy
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Jimmy Buffet is great.  He deserves everything he gets.

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 12:59 | 4918205 Lost Word
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Peace Prize received before Obama had done anything except talk.

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 16:15 | 4919050 Monty Burns
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"your vote is counted upon, to not make a difference"

That's because the Permanent Government selects the sock puppets that you choose from.

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 09:49 | 4917472 SofaPapa
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"Quinnipiac found 45 percent of voters say the country would have been better off if Mr. Romney, the 2012 GOP nominee, had been election, while just 38 percent say Mr. Obama remains a better choice. Even Democrats aren’t so sure — just 74 percent of them told the pollsters Mr. Obama was clearly the better pick in the last election."

 

People are still this stupid?!  How depressing.  That this many people think things would be any different in a fundamental way if the other establishment candidate were in office is the most damning information possible.  How is it possible after the past 14 years that anyone can think R and D offering different flavors of sugar is the solution to our national "political diabetes" epidemic?

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 10:19 | 4917602 More_sellers_th...
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typical anti establishment response.  If Romney were elected it would make a HUGE difference.  Every FUCK YOU decision made by this POTUS would not be happening.

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 10:28 | 4917626 Grande Tetons
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Edit. I can not sensibly reply. 

 

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 10:48 | 4917694 NoDebt
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Then allow me, Teton.....

Yes, Romney would be making a whole different batch of bad decisions.

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 17:34 | 4919282 TuPhat
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Let me try that too...

Yes, Romney would be blaming a whole different set of people for the problems.

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 11:59 | 4917953 GeezerGeek
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Had Romney been elected, we would now see a very active, concerned MSM monitoring every miniscule misstep made by the POTUS. That is the only reason I can see to have voted for a Republican in the last decade or three: the press would actually be acting as a watchdog.

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 12:52 | 4918177 Marge N Call
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+100

That's the ONLY reason Romney, or any other R, would have been tons better for the country: The "journalists" hate any R so much they actually try to do their jobs, vs sucking the nutsack of any D.

Just imagine what's REALLY happening behind the scenes, if the MSM let's us see this shit-show it's only the tip of the iceberg. Bet on that.

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 20:28 | 4919772 Plato's Law
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Please, let's be serous.  No matter what any President every did or said in support of Israel and to further oppress Palestinians, under no circumstances ever would MSM respond negatively. 

 

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 10:52 | 4917710 Banker Buster
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Fuck yes Romney would have been better for the U.S.  Sheeple are idiots for reelecting obummer.  The country was and is in financial trouble.  The country needs someone who understands wall street, banks, and finance to deal with it properly.

Hmmm, this is a tough choice, during one of the worst financial times in U.S. history, should I vote for a guy who is a company turnaround seasoned vet who understands business and wall st. a lot more than 99% of people and co-founded one of the most respected business consulting companies in the world OR should I vote for a guy who has no business experience, no professional experience but reads a teleprompter well.  Romney just messed up when he said he would shit can Bernanke if he is elected, that's why Bernanke went crazy with QE, he either sides with obama and goes "it works or the country dies trying" and juice the economy before the election, or I get axed by Romney and my policies look like the failure that they are.

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 11:31 | 4917840 Dr. Richard Head
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Romney was recorded saying TARP was a good idea - http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/10/11/mitt_romney_defends_tarp_at_debate.html

He said Bernanke was doing a good job -
http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/34499/FAIL__Bernanke_Is_Doing_A_Good_Job__Mitt_Romney/

In fact, Obama and Romney agreed on almost every position from healthcare, war, corporate welfare, NSA spying, EVERYTHING!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZLqsRqKFyI

 

To suggest otherwise is ignorant to actual facts.  Carry on with you Red Team Blue Team nonsense.

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 13:02 | 4918219 Lost Word
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For Romney, it was expected.

For Obama, it proves he was lying about Hope and Change.

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 19:14 | 4919566 LICA
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that's what they all say

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 20:54 | 4919843 I am Alpharius.
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It's like I always tell people, politics in America is like "professional wrestling", the only difference being it is slightly less sweaty and homoerotic.

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 11:42 | 4917890 SeekingWhale
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They were both horrible choices, we needed a Ron Paul.  Someone who actually held proper regard for the Constitution instead of everyone since roosavelt who pretended to care about the constitution.

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 12:05 | 4917976 Kinskian
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I made a modest contribution to Ron Paul early in the process, when I hoped it would do the most good. When he didn't make it on the ballot, I voted for Romney who was actually a decent candidate as far as Republicans go.

Obama is the Affirmative Action President: held to a lower a standard because it's the best he can do. He's also a conflicted half-black racist who hates America, its traditions and its founders. Obama deserved to be voted against.

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 12:19 | 4918031 NoPantsSpongeBob
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So you voted for someone who hates 47% of the population instead?!

Obama maybe not the best president but he is definitely not an Affirmative Action President. There are not many US presidents who can surpass him in intelligence.

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 12:53 | 4918186 Marge N Call
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I have a black lab that surpasses him in intelligence. Pretty sure my parakeet has him beat too, but that's too close to call.

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 16:09 | 4919029 angel_of_joy
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"There are not many US presidents who can surpass him in intelligence"

You mean there are not many US presidents DUMBER than him.
Actually, on a second thought, there are none...

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 20:47 | 4919819 NoPantsSpongeBob
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Well, he provided corporations with subsidies, lower taxes, and bailouts yet they fail to deliver. Now they complain about having to pay for birth control yet they have no problem giving millions to presidential candidates to help continue their clearly unsustainable business models. Obama did not make them pile on leverage or engineer faulty ignition.

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 18:23 | 4919426 Everybodys All ...
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I don't know why people are down voting. That's the funniest piece of sarcasm I've read on here in years. In fact someone needs to make sure that one gets on his teleprompter.

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 12:54 | 4918190 malek
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 When he didn't make it on the ballot

Another example for how much longer it will take for the brainwashing to wear off on average Americans.

Tip: lookup "false choice"

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 13:45 | 4918429 Kinskian
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People who believe themselves to be among the awakened few are not only insufferable pricks, but usually the most brainwashable of all. 

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 14:18 | 4918562 malek
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If in your eyes I'm a prick - fine with me.

That changes nothing on the fact that you were still in full rationalization mode at the last elections and haven't gotten deeper insight since. (And that after you reading ZH for so many years - need I say more.)
Tell us for example why you didn't just not vote at all, if write-in is so unimaginable for you.

You have to break out of that mental box TPTB put around your thinking on avaiable choices.

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 21:03 | 4919858 Kinskian
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How is staying at home or voting for "unavailable choices" less of a rationalization?

With 9 downvotes so far, it's clear that I'm not in the ZH comments section mental box.

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 21:29 | 4919928 malek
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Word twisting will not prove you're correct, in a rational logic sense.

If you've decided on your course of action based on social logic ("what do I believe that all the others will do"), then don't come here and try with cherry-picked and taken-out-of-context "facts" to put a rational logic foundation under it afterwards.

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 22:07 | 4920049 Tall Tom
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Ohhhhh...He needs Social Validation...Awwwwwwww

 

Lacking any core principles and subsequently lacking independent, critical thinking....Awwwwww.

 

Who in the fuck even cares about the "validation"?

 

If I wanted "validation" then I'd be l'femme.

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 11:43 | 4917891 SeekingWhale
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Wed, 07/02/2014 - 19:11 | 4919558 escargot
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So let me get this straight....you're saying that presidents are the ones making the decisions, and therefore all Romney's business experience would have made a difference and he'd have set the country on the path to prosperity?  Really?

Sorry, dude, but you sound like nothing more than a typical left/right propaganda parrot.  You sound just as misinformed as the idiots who think Obama is great and that he'd be changing the world for the better if only those evil republicans would let him.

Oh God will people please wake up!  Democrats=Republicans, Republicans=Democrats,

Republicans/Democrats = traitorous-dog-n-pony-globalist-pigs-doing-the-bidding-of-their-bankster-masters

 

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 20:21 | 4919754 Tall Tom
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Oh God will people please wake up!  

 

Oh I asked that question to God in a prayer. I asked Him, "Oh God will people please wake up?"

 

He answered, "Tom, will you please wake up and understand that it is not going to happen. You need to accept that and accept them. Take a good look in the mirror."

 

You cannot bank upon others' awakening. You know that the Red Team/Blue Team paradigm is a LIE FROM HELL. I know it also.

 

So instead of beckoning others to wake up concentrate upon preparing for the upcoming collapse. Direct your energies to that.

 

Do not misplace your faith and hope that somehow, some way, by some miracle, that there will be a Political Solution.

 

THERE ARE NO POLITICAL SOLUTIONS. I am truly sorry. But that is just the way that IT IS.

 

I read this crap, and the comments, for humor.

 

Get some good laughs at it.

 

Radical Marijuana wrote an interesting perspective last night.  It gives me a lot of peace.

 

He wrote, and I paraphrase, that the whole system is built upon Lies and Fraud. The Lies and Fraud are growing at an ever increasing Exponential rate.

 

I know that Exponential Growth leads to an Exponential Collapse in any adiabatic system.

 

So when the system collapses then the Lies and Fraud also collapse. The end result is TRUTH.

 

Well the realization of TRUTH is always something to rejoice upon. It is something to celebrate. It is something to seek, to look forward toward.

 

Thank you Radical Marijuana. Thank you for setting this upon the proper frame of reference. I guess that there is hope after all.

 

So collapse, baby, collapse.

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 11:32 | 4917842 GooseShtepping Moron
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Cynicism exacts a heavy toll from both reason and confidence. The price of maintaining a cynical attitude 'come what may' is that you eventually prove yourself right by engendering your own worst outcome. I don't think it's even arguable at this point that Romney is a much better man and would have made a much better president than Farquaad Obama.

I understand the point being made about the Red Team and Blue Team being not much different, because it is the unelected bureacracy in Washington that does most of the actual governing. The agencies maintain themselves placidly from one administration to the next, and men whose faces and names are likely unknown to you make a lot of the decisions and set the agenda. But the president is the public face of the nation. He has the bully pulpit, the executive authority, and deep in the back of our minds we know that true responsibility rests with him. Yes, it does make a huge difference who the president is and with which party he stands, because the patries have widely divergent views of reality and will act accordingly.

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 12:21 | 4918040 SofaPapa
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"He has the bully pulpit, the executive authority, and deep in the back of our minds we know that true responsibility rests with him. Yes, it does make a huge difference who the president is and with which party he stands, because the patries have widely divergent views of reality and will act accordingly."

No and no.  

Deep in the back of my mind, I am sure that the president is beholden to the group of men who funded and supported his election through money and positive publicity and population management, a la Facebook mood manipulation.  That's where the power lies.

The areas where the parties disagree (these areas do exist) are not so interesting as the areas where they agree.  Where the two parties come together is when the US engages in warfare to feed the MIC and when it comes to "national security" at home.  Those pieces of legislation consistently cross party lines.  And those pieces of legislation represent the antithesis of what the founding fathers wrote in the Bill of Rights and in their desire to avoid "foreign entaglements".  I see zero evidence that Romney would have been any different in these areas.

I'm all for people voting, by the way.  I did.  There are other choices on the ballot besides the two big boys, and some of us chose them.  A waste of a vote?  Well, I will grant it is purely symbolic given who counts the votes, but it represents much the same as the comments here: a tiny way to voice alternatives.  As to the argument that by voting we are enabling and empowering the mechanics of the status quo, I have some sympathy for that argument, but if people start voting for "other than the big 2" candidates in a serious way, and the big 2 candidates keep taking the office, there is going to be further deterioration in the facade of legitimacy TPTB are trying to maintain.  I can see it both ways.

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 12:46 | 4918156 dizzyfingers
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SofaPapa

I' been convinced not to vote for any more incumbents. At the least, one term only might cut down the damage.

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 12:29 | 4918083 A Nanny Moose
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Are people stupid, or were they just educated by the State?

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 10:27 | 4917635 MickV
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They are not nearly the same-- because Obama is not even eligible-- as such he is the wet dream of the NWO. Such a blind spot I see in the comments here. Wake up.

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 12:22 | 4918046 A Nanny Moose
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Bingo!

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 11:23 | 4917820 DOT
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O M G !

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 09:22 | 4917378 Oracle 911
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You know what is the peak of malice?

Putting incompetent people into position of power. (Well these people are competent only in 1 thing, robbing you blind, while the PTB achieve their goals).

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 09:32 | 4917410 Ghordius
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or... not asking why there is the need to give one man such immense power. or having a voting system that has only one winner. just imho

I'm astonished. this thread is going on since hours and no mention of Nixon in it

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 09:43 | 4917443 GetZeeGold
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If we held Obama to the Nixon standard....he'd already be gone.

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 20:35 | 4919793 Tall Tom
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But...We do not. That is the reality.

 

That is the same craziness as proposing a thesis, "if Romney had been elected..."

 

Just how does this help you prepare for the oncoming collapse?

 

This article is click bait and provides a venue for venting frustration.

 

Now you know that I don't support Obama, or, do not support any of this Red Team/Blue Team nonsense.

 

If you feel you must vent then vent. But do not buy into it.

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 09:56 | 4917506 PrawnStar
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Actually, the system itself doesn't give one man such immense power. Checks and balances, congress, etc. This man has happened to perform a huge power grab during his presidency, and with an impotent opposition and a complicit media, nobody has held him accountable for it.

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 20:40 | 4919802 Tall Tom
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Were the Patriot Acts constitutional?

 

Was Obama the president then?

 

Did you make your voice heard about that?

 

If so did it change anything?

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 12:25 | 4918064 BobTheSlob
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His bad...what he meant to say is that his half black side gets a pass from being incompetent. All with keeping in the spirit of affirmative action.

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 09:02 | 4917294 Eeyores Enigma
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Y'all gots ta stop thinking about the president as some guy directing everything that the US does, like he is sitting at the steering wheel frantically navagating the bus down a steep, windy road.

I was married into a 3 generation political family for a brief (tooo long) period and trust me when I say that as soon as elected, (actually way before that even) there is no person on the planet who is more managed by more people than the Prez.

Get mad at the system not the sock puppet in chief.

 

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 09:11 | 4917331 bag holder
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That sounds like a function of the character of the people that get elected. I can't really imagine an Andrew Jackson or Teddy Roosevelt being "managed".

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 09:29 | 4917405 Citxmech
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Yeah, Kennedy had his own plans too.  See how well that worked for him? 

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 11:39 | 4917873 TBT or not TBT
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Yeah.  He was a big tax cutter and staunch anti communist.   Oswald didn't like that at all, being a communist.  

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 11:48 | 4917918 Overfed
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Aside from playing the patsy, what did LHO have to do with it?

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 13:13 | 4918265 Lost Word
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Oswald was a Double Agent of the US Government,

merely pretending to be a Communist,

and did NOT shoot JFK,

but instead was in the DSBD building lunch room,

without any rifle, at the time of the otherwise triangulated crossfire.

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 09:50 | 4917481 IndyPat
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Reagan was a swashbuckler until VP Bush Sr. dug up an Oswald to bring him back to the fold. Getting capped on the sidewalk is an attention getter, it would appear.

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 10:16 | 4917593 thamnosma
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Bear in mind that the Texas Hinckley family were good friends with the George Bush clan.  Jeb Bush had dinner plans with David Hinckley's brother for the day after the shooting, though I believe they did cancel that sit down.   Just another coincidence in a long line of them.

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 11:38 | 4917867 FeralSerf
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"In politics nothing happens 'by chance.' If something happens, then you can bet that it was planned that way."
-Franklin Delano Roosevelt

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 11:41 | 4917884 TBT or not TBT
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Said anti American control freak economy wrecker and freedom crushed FDR. 

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 12:40 | 4918129 FeralSerf
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FDR should have known the truth of that statement if anyone did.

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 21:40 | 4919973 Jstanley011
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Especially since he knew the Japs were comin'...

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 13:07 | 4918248 Lost Word
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How many Presidents were assassinated between Jackson and Teddy Roosevelt ?

Was it three ?

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 18:38 | 4919459 Everybodys All ...
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Exactly. Weak character and little or no moral authority will always create a weak leader.

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 09:14 | 4917348 p00k1e
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EE,

Agreed.  

If “my” candidate wins, it was a good election.  If “my” candidate loses, the whole f’in thing is rigged!  

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 11:42 | 4917892 TBT or not TBT
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Alinsky was from Manchuria?   

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 10:18 | 4917597 thamnosma
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Yeah, yeah, everything is rigged.  You know even in a completely honest election under the best possible circumstances you can imagine, one candidate wins.  If that candidate is the one you support, you will be pleased.  Duh.... 

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 09:23 | 4917384 nobodysfool
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Sorry, but "the system" isn't to blame, it's the dumbing down of America by Libtards in education, where unions protect bad teachers over childrens' well-being, which leads to political ignorance of 95% of the electorate.  Oh, don't let me forget about the graft, corruption and greed of lifer politicians only giving a rats ass about there own re-elections.  Nothing will change until Term Limits are instigated across the political spectrum...which means never! Anyone have any ideas about where the grass might actually be greener?

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 09:43 | 4917447 SethDealer
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switzerland

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 10:07 | 4917551 Pure Evil
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Greenland?

 

Oh yeah, no grass, all ice.

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 13:17 | 4918298 Lost Word
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Iceland.

At least some green grass.

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 10:36 | 4917663 p00k1e
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Term Limits - New York had "Term Limits" for the position of Mayor.

Bloomberg, acting as a Republican, got "Term Limits" overturned.

 

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 12:07 | 4917982 knightowl77
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Bloomie the idiot was elected as a Repub, but once in office changed to independent .....It was the very liberal city council of NY NY that removed the term limit so he could save NY from large sodas and trans fats......

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 20:43 | 4919809 Tall Tom
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Sorry, but "the system" isn't to blame, it's the dumbing down of America by Libtards in education...

 

Is not that part of the system?

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 11:05 | 4917755 Banker Buster
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It's funny I hear a lot of staunch democrats using that argument right now.  They couldn't hate bush more for his "decisions", but now it's their guy who looks even more incompetent, and it's because "these things are already in motion way before he was elected" or "he doesn't have control over most things" as you mention.  Sounds like bullshit to me.  He is the ultimate leader and he can manage a lot of things, just like the CEO of a business.  If the business goes off the road, they are ultimately the ones who let this happen.  I don't expect micro managing everything and having his hand in everyone's activity, but he overseas the overall operation.  I guess it comes down to human psychology where it is hard for one to admit they were wrong in their decisions.  

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 09:12 | 4917332 Roll Tide
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Judging from the torrent of BS that spews out the guy, I think he is incontinent as well as incompetent.  The worst flaw in the Constitution - how to get rid of a tin-horn dictator like Caliph Obama.  

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 10:08 | 4917556 Pure Evil
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Incontinent?

 

I think there's a Depend's product just for that.

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 11:44 | 4917907 TBT or not TBT
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He shits on the constitution as needed.   

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 20:53 | 4919833 Tall Tom
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The worst flaw in the Constitution - how to get rid of a tin-horn dictator like Caliph Obama.

 

 

 

Has it ever occurred to you that the Republicans in Congress do not want to get rid of Obama?

 

Has it ever occurred to you that impeachment is a provision under the Constitution?

 

So perhaps it is the Political Will of the House Republicans that Obama stays in office. Hell. The House Republicans voted to FUND OBAMACARE last October. Financial support is support and the Republicans put their money where their collective mouths were not.

 

Perhaps it is not the US Constitution that is flawed but the US Congressmen and US Senators whom are flawed. as they are unwilling to follow the Constitution and allow this DICK-TASTER to do as he pleases.

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 08:58 | 4917281 Cruel Aid
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Right, we see whats going on here. And we're not going to do a damned thing about it!

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 09:11 | 4917327 Sudden Debt
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.

.

You know what they say he:

ONCE YOU GO OBAMA, IT ALL BECOMES A DRAMA!!

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 11:03 | 4917741 barre-de-rire
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au bal masqué :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRrapbjfdNc

 

O-ba-ma-ské ohé ohé....

 

lol

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 09:37 | 4917424 negative rates
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Well they have guards at the Senate buliding so you can't do much and walk out alive anymore.

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 10:28 | 4917638 mumcard
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Unless you bring along 100,000 armed and pissed off friends.

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 09:42 | 4917444 TheReplacement
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Aren't you the optimist - like there will be a next one.

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 11:14 | 4917785 plane jain
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I figure it will be Hillary.  Clinton and Obama went to Bilderberg during their primary against each other.  After that Obama was the man, but then Clinton got Secretary of State.

Could well be a ploy against uprising.  First a black guy, then a woman...two candidates likely to get a lot of extra rope from a couple of large groups.

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 12:53 | 4918185 Crawdaddy
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Madame Cankles has been groomed/managed & protected by TPTB since the 60's. See this early evidence of perception management:

http://life.time.com/history/hillary-clinton-in-1969-photos-of-a-recent-...

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 11:19 | 4917805 docmac324
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"He'll be the worst until the next one."

Agreed however, as a retired Vet, Bush II is still THE worst in my opinion.

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 21:00 | 4919854 Tall Tom
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Well...At this point I think that it is a "Toss-Up". Or is it a "Throw up"???

 

Yeah...What the hell??? Both.

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 11:45 | 4917909 Lea
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Yes. What with Hillary just around the corner...

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 11:51 | 4917929 Dublinmick
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It is funny but I can no longer think in those terms, Carter and bama simply personified some of the more pyschotic orders presented by the man behind the curtain who installed them.

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 08:14 | 4917111 overmedicatedun...
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the mongrel half breed cannot hold a candle to Lincoln, now there was a real dick head, getting brother to fight brother, and end states rights.

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 08:21 | 4917133 GetZeeGold
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I'd say blame Lincoln a iittle bit....without him there's no way Obama could ever have been President.

 

Thanks a lot Abe.

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 09:48 | 4917468 TheReplacement
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I know right!  That dastardly Lincoln went down south and led the attack on Fort Sumter then snuck back to Washington without being seen.  What a devil.

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 10:34 | 4917659 mumcard
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The southern states had a legal right to secede. 

http://www.tulane.edu/~sumter/Reflections/LinWar.html

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 12:27 | 4918069 Meat Hammer
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Saying "legal" implies that the possibility of it being "illegal" to be free also exists.  That's like saying free speech is ok because it's legal.

They didn't have a legal right; they had, and have today - as does everybody - the natural right to secede.

Language is important.  Words have meaning.

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 15:15 | 4918816 IndyPat
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This

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 21:02 | 4919860 Tall Tom
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Good point Meat Hammer. Good point.

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 11:52 | 4917932 Dublinmick
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Honest Abe was tribe but deciding to print his own money was the final straw.

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 14:12 | 4918535 wtf1369
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BEST. TYRANT. EVER.

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 10:28 | 4917639 Alcoholic Nativ...
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Jimmy Cater legalized brewing, why do old people hate him again?  

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 12:43 | 4918145 maskone909
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loving the avatar bro

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 10:42 | 4917680 Mark Urbo
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Yup, the old peanut farmer can rest easy now...

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 08:23 | 4917114 SWRichmond
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neo feudalism requires a rock solid wealthy Elite class of lords and ladies backed by a rock solid repressive  violent  enforcer class.  so stocks must continue to go up and police departments must be supplied with the heaviest weaponry possible.  it does not require happy serfs...unless the serfs happen to be themselves very heavily armed.  for my part I wouldn't want to be one of the ultraviolent enforcer class in such a system.

 

the serfs may find a role for police in the coming system but first the police must cleanup their ranks and root out  the always present and deeply embedded sociopaths who wear a badge only because they enjoy inflicting pain.  if the serfs have to do this it will be a lot messier.

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 10:29 | 4917636 JR
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Excellent post. Only the misinformed believe that Obama is in charge, i.e., a ruler.

And if Romney were president, neither would he be in charge.

The back and forth Democrat versus Republican “game” is beginning to reach the zone of ridiculous when commentators such as Rush Limbaugh blame the substantial woes of the country on Obama or the chatterers on Salon blame the American crisis on the “white guys on the Court.”   Their credibility evaporates.

For when the crisis nears its inevitable outcome, wise men are forced to state the obvious. And the obvious is that the U.S. presidents, as most members of Congress, are the puppets of the banking cartel. No serious moves are now made by the American Empire without the aggressive support or push by the international banking families who print and own the nation’s currency, establish what it’s worth and decide who gets it and who doesn’t.

These moves include lifting the bans on border crossings, homosexual marriage, laws related to the use of Federal power (the IRS) against the people to keep the puppets in power, the dismantling of American free enterprise capitalism via Obamacare, the conflagation in the Middle East, et cetera...

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 11:56 | 4917944 Dublinmick
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You got it, just read what is on the teleprompter and then get back to the golf course, chopping wood at the ranch, building habitat for humanity or canoodling with Bebe Rebozo.

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 20:25 | 4919758 Milton Waddams
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Banks are also the intelligence agencies, obviously. The ability to see how and where individuals spend and or invest their money is the linchpin of Total Information Awareness. 

"Lemme see what they search for" No.

"Lemme at their financial information; their spending habits, their investment habits, etc." Yes.

If I know, for example, you have a membership at the gym and frequently use your credit card at a nearby supplement store...I can physically track you down and...I can own you.

"Oh wow, whose this beautiful man / woman hitting on me as I pump iron? AND they're going to ABC supplements afterward to re-up? I might try and fuck them..."

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 08:16 | 4917116 drendebe10
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WTF does the corrupt, incompetent arrogant narcissistic illegal indonesian kenyan alien muslim sociopathic liar in chief care about polls. Certainly doesnt tske awsy from his celebrity grand imperial golf lifestyle @ the expense of hard working tax paying US citizen serfs & peasants.

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 08:41 | 4917219 insanelysane
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They just surround themselves with people that are in love with them and only go speak with people that have the exact same thoughts.  

The few times he has been in situations where there is minor opposition toward him, he becomes a petulant, condescending bully.

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 10:20 | 4917607 thamnosma
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Much like Hollywood celebs.  Lots of little cults of personality.

Wed, 07/02/2014 - 09:06 | 4917304 eclectic syncretist
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Best rant so far today. Thanks.

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