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Is The Cloward-Piven Strategy Being Used To Destroy America?

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Submitted by Brandon Smith of Alt-Market blog,

In the mid-sixties at the height of the “social revolution” the line between democratic benevolence and outright communism became rather blurry. The Democratic Party, which controlled the presidency and both houses of Congress, was used as the springboard by social engineers to introduce a new era of welfare initiatives enacted in the name of “defending the poor”, also known as the “Great Society Programs”. These initiatives, however, were driven by far more subversive and extreme motivations, and have been expanded on by every presidency since, Republican and Democrat alike.

At Columbia University, sociologist professors Richard Cloward and Francis Fox Piven introduced a political strategy in 1966 in an article entitled 'The Weight Of The Poor: A Strategy To End Poverty'. This article outlined a plan that they believed would eventually lead to the total transmutation of America into a full-fledged centralized welfare state (in other words, a collectivist enclave). The spearpoint of the Cloward-Piven strategy involved nothing less than economic sabotage against the U.S.

Theoretically, according to the doctrine, a condition of overwhelming tension and strain could be engineered through the overloading of American welfare rolls, thereby smothering the entitlement program structure at the state and local level. The implosion of welfare benefits would facilitate a massive spike in poverty and desperation, creating a financial crisis that would lead to an even greater cycle of demand for a fully socialized system. This desperation would then “force” the federal government to concentrate all welfare programs under one roof, nationalize and enforce a socialist ideology, and ultimately, compact an immense level of power into the hands of a select few.

Cloward and Piven claimed that this could be accomplished at a grassroots level through community activism, and, that it would facilitate a more compassionate federal authority, however, there are numerous problems with these assertions.

The Cloward-Piven Strategy has nothing to do with grassroots activism, and accomplishes nothing tangible for the downtrodden poverty class. In fact, I would dare to say that Cloward and Piven as well as most social engineers are well aware that the concept ultimately only serves to give even more dominance to the establishment and pilfer even more freedom from the masses.

Cloward-Piven is not limited to the destabilization of state and local welfare programs. It can easily be used against federal level entitlements, and in reality, is much more effective against an entity with the proven tendency towards exponential debt spending. Though the federal government may be able to borrow fiat dollars through the Federal Reserve to prolong welfare rolls while the states cannot, a more volatile threat arises when debt monetization begins to wear down the purchasing power of the currency. Weakened purchasing power results in reduced consumer activity, less industrial growth, less GDP, and obviously, more poverty. The dollar has lost approximately 98% of its purchasing power since 1972, and after 50 years of the so-called “War on Poverty”, nearly one third of the American population now repeatedly slips under the official poverty line.

In the past decade alone, the number of people dependent on food stamps and EBT for their survival in the U.S. has doubled from 25 million people to nearly 50 million people. Those who receive some kind of payment from the government, including those on social security, disability, and veterans benefits, are approximately 100 million. Americans on social security do not consider themselves welfare recipients because they paid into the system, however, the point remains that if the federal money tap shuts down due to overwhelming participation, the checks will stop whether you paid into the system or not.

In the end, it is the Federal Government itself that is most vulnerable to the Cloward-Piven Strategy, and I believe the goal is to set fire to ALL social structures in the U.S., then assimilate them into a new globalist system.

The tactic of overwhelming the welfare structure REQUIRES the complicity of the government itself. A grassroots activist movement cannot and will never compel federal and state governments to expand welfare initiatives if they do not wish to. If welfare programs are not expanded beyond their capacity to be maintained, they cannot be overwhelmed. Therefore, government must cooperate with the Cloward-Piven Strategy by generating more and more welfare programs to be exploited. That is to say, the elitists who control our government, regardless of their claimed political party, must WANT to arrange circumstances to allow for Cloward-Piven to be successful.

Another key component of Cloward-Piven is the existence of an immense number of poverty stricken people. Without a significant portion of the population under the poverty level, there is no mass of people to use as a weapon. Again, grassroots activists would be hard pressed to actually create the kind of poverty levels they would need for exploitation. But wait! Government, along with the aid or direction of central bankers, is able to create any level of poverty it wishes at any time by simply pretending to bungle everything it does. Once again, Cloward-Piven (much like Saul Alinsky's repertoire of propaganda scams) is far more useful to the power elite than it is to the common citizen. As former White House Chief of Staff, Rahm Emanuel, famously said:

You never want a serious crisis to go to waste. And what I mean by that is it's an opportunity to do things you think you could not do before...”

In light of the Cloward-Piven Strategy, which is at its very core a method to artificially induce crisis, the otherwise insane policy actions of the Obama Administration and preceding puppet presidents now become perfectly logical. Obama, after all, has been a long time proponent of the methods of Saul Alinsky, the left wing gatekeeper equivalent to Neo-Con godfather Leo Strauss. Cloward and Piven were also both avid followers of Alinsky, who promoted lies, misdirection, subversion, and abandonment of conscience in order to win social power at any cost (special note – Alinsky also dedicated his book 'Rules For Radicals' to Lucifer...yeah, to the friggin' devil).

Under Obama's watch alone, our real national debt including unfunded liabilities and entitlements has risen to nearly $200 trillion. Our “official” national debt has gone from $10 trillion to $17 trillion in the short time Obama has been in office. Real unemployment including U-6 measurements stands at around 20% of all Americans. Personal wealth and savings have plummeted. Wages remain in stasis while prices on necessary goods continue to rise.

In my articles 'The Socialization Of America Is Economically Impossible' and 'Obamacare: Is It A Divide-And-Conquer Distraction?', I examined much evidence suggesting that Obamacare was actually designed to fail, and that the bumbling of the Obama White House when dealing with the program was purely deliberate. When coupled with Obama's handling of the current illegal immigration conflict, I would say that the Cloward-Piven Strategy is in full force.

Why fight tooth and nail against all common sense and history, why lie openly to millions of registered voters to get the program in place, only to allow it to derail because of a poorly designed website!? Because, Obama and his handlers know full well that it will end up costing the country billions that we cannot afford, and aid in a resulting crash.

Why the sudden surge of illegal immigrants into the U.S.? Why not! The White House has made it clear that it has every intention of keeping them within America by allowing the border patrol to ship the detained across the country where they are then released. Obama's threat to use executive action to force through his own version of the immigration bill is the icing on the cake. Amnesty is essentially guaranteed, I believe, in the near term, which is why tens of thousands of Central American parents are willing to send their children on a journey where they could very well be kidnapped by sex traffickers or killed. If the White House really wanted to stop this humanitarian crisis, the President would state publicly and clearly that America is not a drive through welfare center, that there will be no free goodies at the second window, and that there will be no chance of amnesty, instead of diverting more agents to the border to ensure more illegals are shipped into the interior.

The president does not wish to stop the flood of immigrants exactly because Cloward-Piven requires their presence. Not only would this officially add millions of people to welfare rolls, but I would venture to suggest that Obama will likely include automatic sign-up to universal healthcare as part of his amnesty measures.

If there wasn't enough strain on the social welfare structure before, there certainly will be now.

I would remind readers, though, that in the final analysis this is NOT about Obama. I have seen other commentators including Glenn Beck discuss Cloward-Piven in the past, but always through the blinders of the false left/right paradigm. Obama could not have attained the levels of destabilization he has without standing on the shoulders of those political errand boys who came before him. Ronald Reagan, for instance, was also responsible for signing the Immigration Reform And Control Act of 1986 into law, which was supposed to trade the amnesty of 3 million illegals for greater border security.  This new "more comprehensive" security was never implemented by Reagan.  Both Republican and Democratic regimes have made our current calamity possible, and the leaderships behind both parties are nothing more than paid mascots for international financiers and globalists who have a very different vision of what America should be.

If we allow ourselves to fall into the trap of making the developing crisis about a singularly unimportant man such as Obama, then the elites get exactly what they want – an angry and desperate citizenry out for the blood of a middleman and out for the blood of each other, while they sit back, relax, and wait to swoop in as our financial saviors with strings attached.

For those naïve enough to assume that Cloward-Piven is just a well intentioned activist method, it is important to understand that even if that were so, the effect of the Cloward-Piven Strategy will never achieve the goal its creators claimed to support. In my view, it is probable that they never really intended for it to produce wealth equality or an increased quality of life.

The tactic can only decrease wealth security by making all citizens equally destitute. As we have seen in numerous socialist and communist experiments over the past century, economic harmonization never creates wealth or prosperity, it only siphons wealth from one area and redistributes it to others, evaporating much of it as it is squeezed through the grinding gears of the establishment machine. Socialism, in its very essence, elevates government to the role of all-pervasive parent, and casts the citizenry down into the role of dependent sniveling infant. Even in its most righteous form, Cloward-Piven seeks to make infants of us all, whether we like it or not.


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Thu, 07/03/2014 - 21:56 | 4923633 The_Prisoner
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Yes, among others.

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 21:59 | 4923638 Oldwood
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equality through universal dependency.

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 22:01 | 4923639 The_Prisoner
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i.e. neo-feudalism

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 22:04 | 4923648 _disengage_
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How much is spent on social welfare per year versus war, graft, corporate welfare, etc? While ballooning the FSA's ranks isn't a good idea, I think there might be a few bigger fish to fry.

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 22:09 | 4923662 suteibu
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You are wrong.  Dependency changes the society in ways the others can't.  But you are using the common argument which follows the false logic that because the cost of welfare does not approach the cost of war, for example, it is not as detrimental to the nation.  It is by following such logic that America finds itself on the long slide to ruin.

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 22:15 | 4923685 _disengage_
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I never said it wasn't detrimental, but I don't think it changes a society any more than 2 sets of laws for rich/poor, a republic going fascist, total innundation with media/marketing from birth, or destroying resources as fast as possible for no real return.

What difference is it being dependant on big brother and scared of big brother? Or being dependant on a paycheck versus a gov check?

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 22:19 | 4923693 suteibu
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Because if a third of the nation was not dependent on maintaining or growing the status quo (who would vote to give up their largess?), the government would be more afraid of the people and not the other way around.  All of the other things come and go with time, a society's downward slide will be nearly impossible to reverse.

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 22:26 | 4923710 _disengage_
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Isn't 99% of the nation dependant on maintaining the status quo? You seem to be moving away from getting people hooked on EBT/welfare and getting people hooked on credit.

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 22:28 | 4923717 suteibu
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And you seem to be intent on keeping the discussion away from the welfare state.  There is a lot wrong with America, too much debt being one, however, nothing diminishes the impact of a massive dependency class on the social structure.

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 22:36 | 4923738 Anusocracy
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Yes, we can recreate the hunter-gatherer society worldwide.

Sincerely, the hunter-gatherers.

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 22:41 | 4923750 suteibu
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Another false argument which claims that, sans the welfare state, only anarchy can exist.  Is throwing out trite talking points which have no correlation in history the best you can do?

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 22:56 | 4923782 markmotive
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Take away the giant ponzi and you're not left with much of America to destroy.

Satyajit Das on the end of ponzi prosperity:

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 23:42 | 4923864 chumbawamba
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In the 1930s, during the turmoil of the "Great Depression", the concept of birth certificates, licenses for occupation and marriage, property registration, income taxation, and a whole host of regulations governing nearly every little aspect of our lives began to encroach on a distinctly unique American society.  The pre-1930s American society was still more than vaguely a republic in its character.  However, things changed after the depression of the 1930s, which lead to the bankruptcy of the government created of/by/for the people and endlessly perverted throughout the preceding century, and resulted in our being converted to collateral for the bankrupt United States corporate entity.

Ever since then, as you'll notice, the politicians have consistently referred to our system of government as a "democracy" which, according to our founding documents, is completely wrong.  Thus their utterance of this mischaracterization is either a result of abject ignorance or evidence of willful fraud (for ignorantia legis neminem excusat, ignorance of the law excuses no one)--or it's the truth.

Assuming they know full well what they are doing--and let's face it, they are not all geniuses, but they are all lawyers, and they go to expensive law schools to know this stuff--then they are telling you how it is.

I am Chumabwamba.

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 23:51 | 4923879 economics9698
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To sum it up we need to start killing bankers.

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 23:56 | 4923892 sylviasays
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"To sum it up we need to start killing bankers."

Next all the lawyers?

Fri, 07/04/2014 - 00:09 | 4923914 Keyser
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Please, the politicians come before either the lawyers or bankers... 


Fri, 07/04/2014 - 01:30 | 4924023 SafelyGraze
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dates back to 1913

dates back to 1907 panic

dates back to panic of 1884

dates back to war of succession and greenbacks

dates back to war of 1812

dates back to revision of the articles of confederation

dates back to annapolis convention

the union was killed within a decade

happy july 4


Fri, 07/04/2014 - 07:11 | 4924247 thatthingcanfly
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That's "secession."

And are all of your punctuation keys broken?

Fri, 07/04/2014 - 17:50 | 4925542 BigJim
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We don't need Cloward-Piven or NWO schemers to explain what's happened; E. T. Peterson, riffing off the Kyklos of Aristotle and all those guys, commented in 1951:

A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the majority discovers it can vote itself largess out of the public treasury. After that, the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits with the result the democracy collapses because of the loose fiscal policy ensuing, always to be followed by a dictatorship, then a monarchy.

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 04:51 | 4928460 All Risk No Reward
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>>A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the majority discovers it can vote itself largess out of the public treasury. After that, the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits with the result the democracy collapses because of the loose fiscal policy ensuing, always to be followed by a dictatorship, then a monarchy.<<

But if you actually look around, that's not happening, is it?

The common people are being screwed no matter what lever they pull in the election between Money Power financed and promoted candidate #1 and Money Power financed candidate #2.

If you read what I wrote, you will understand exactly why society is getting shafted.

Debt based monetary systems are prima fascie fraud.

Money is Our God! Tom Simmons Comedy

Debt is not a Choice

How to be a Crook

Renaissance 2.0 Full

The Secret of Oz

Debt Money Tyranny

Weapons of Mass Debt


Fri, 07/04/2014 - 23:52 | 4926024 August
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Fuck the Union.

Fri, 07/04/2014 - 03:26 | 4924104 WeNeedaRealGovt
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Only the peace loving Jesus freak Evangelicals can wax so eloquently about killing people that disagree with them.

Fri, 07/04/2014 - 10:34 | 4924503 Theosebes Goodfellow
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Haven't read much of the Qur'an, have we RealGovt?

Fri, 07/04/2014 - 12:35 | 4924736 MayIMommaDogFac...
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Only the peace loving Jesus freak Evangelicals can wax so eloquently about killing people that disagree with them.

And we have a winner for Most Absurd Out-of-Context Assertion.

Fri, 07/04/2014 - 12:54 | 4924777 Vin
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What the hell are you babbling about?  Communists have killed 100's of millions of people in the 20th century.  And communism is in bed with the one-world-govt crowd.

Either focus your anger on the fed govt or shut the hell up, you're just confusing the issue.

Fri, 07/04/2014 - 20:41 | 4925829 MeMadMax
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I wish I could go back in time and stop your mom and dad from doing the dirty deed that ended up squirting your dumbass out...



Fri, 07/04/2014 - 04:02 | 4924144 OldPhart
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Wait, wait, wait...

Shakespear told us to first kill all the lawyers.seems reasonably antiquated and feasible to me.  That should also take out about 90% of the politicians.

Fri, 07/04/2014 - 10:35 | 4924507 Theosebes Goodfellow
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By jove, OldPhart, I do believe you have the hang of it!

Fri, 07/04/2014 - 04:21 | 4924157 didyoujustpullt...
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Most politicians are lawyers or bankers.

Sat, 07/05/2014 - 03:21 | 4926151 ImGumbydmmt
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All three are just pawns. pick any 500 politicians, removal and replacement changes nothing if TPTB who direct the bankers can still buy off politicans, and SCOTUS and POTUS and and and....

I have been repulsed for a long time about the anti semitic occasional posts on ZH. Then somone just pointed out the last 5 US Fed Reserve chairs have been jewish?

umm yea, what are the odds of that?

I still don't like the anti (pick a group) rants, but this Fed Chair factoid did just cause me to have a "WTF????" moment.

Who Set that up? over and over again?.....9/11 dancing israelis suddenly didn't seem so tin foil hat anymore.

WTF , should have took the blue pill......put me back, i want to enjoy steak again.


Fri, 07/04/2014 - 00:50 | 4923970 mt paul
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comment removed by NSA

pending review by DHS

Fri, 07/04/2014 - 01:15 | 4924007 tickhound
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Wish they all were removed. It's a pathetic start to a discussion.

That said... Old tyler would've wished a 4th Open Thread Bitchez by now EST.

... While jerking off to DOW 17k.

Instead I gotta read 3 day old Drudge articles.

Think about it bitchez. Sux.

Fri, 07/04/2014 - 18:06 | 4925573 Stalkedbyhackers01
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Comment added pending review by FBI for hacking my system and harassing me since August of last year. For posting illegally obtained data pertaining to me on this site as well as others. Tell my hacker/stalker fan club I said hi and why did you go and hijack my identity?

Fri, 07/04/2014 - 13:41 | 4924896 BigJim
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 To sum it up we need to start killing bankers.

There's no point. Our entire economic system is predicated on debt-money; which means it will be defended by everyone with a stake in the status quo.

So you'd have to start offing the status quo. But the status quo in a democracy aren't the status quo by accident; they're there because the electorate think they need them. Start to off their status quo and the electorate will turn on you quicker than you can say 'but they're your enemies too!'

All we can do is try to educate people at this stage. Frankly, I think collapse will come sooner than mass awakening, but just because our options are poor doesn't mean we don't have any.

Fri, 07/04/2014 - 23:24 | 4926004 TahoeBilly2012
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Rothchilds funded both Bolshevism and our beloved "progressivism" (I love that chosen title, if you aren't a progressive, you don't like progress!). This goes way back before the Great Society. I am sure plenty of well meaning dupes thought they were on the right team, but the powers at the top are simply manifesting their World Order in the long game. Very few seem to see the long game, but the documents exist to prove it.

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 23:52 | 4923882 Anusocracy
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The Constitution won't stop a bullet.

Especially if it's fired by a government tax-eater.

Fri, 07/04/2014 - 16:51 | 4925396 redd_green
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Enough baloney, piled end to end, will stop a bullet.    Should we call it a baloneybulletproof vest?

Think about it.

Fri, 07/04/2014 - 16:49 | 4925391 redd_green
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... during he turmoil of the great depression RIGHT AFTER THE PASSING OF THE FEDERAL RESERVE ACT of 1913 ...   

Sat, 07/05/2014 - 02:37 | 4926135 chumbawamba
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It goes further back than that, player.  Think 14th Amendment.  Think Civil Rights Act of 1866.  Think the Constitution itself.  Think one thousand year chess game, then you start to get the idea.


Sun, 07/06/2014 - 04:55 | 4928466 All Risk No Reward
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It's a wonder humanity has lasted this long...  well, I guess it hasn't.  Only a few have been privileged to live in "Elyseum" while the rest of humanity lives under difficult circumstances.  People want parity, the dElites mean to give to us by sending everyone but their club to the bottom of the barrel through their societal enslaving debt money fraud.

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 23:03 | 4923794 NoDebt
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Seitbu, I don't know how you can continute to calmly (and absolutely correctly) put up arguments against Anus without blowing your stack.  His distract-and-redefine tactics are the obvious hallmark of a pre-programmed state-bot.  The kid's never been in the real world a day in his life.  Mom & Dad pay for his basement internet connection and he bounces back and forth between ZH and HuffPo, like everything is morally equivalent, regardless of how it affects real people.  He doesn't have the slightest clue what he's regurgitating actually means.

He's a turd.  Hit the flush lever and move on with life.  Every minute you spend arguing with him is another minute of your life you won't get back.

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 23:05 | 4923797 suteibu
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Thanks and duly noted.

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 23:30 | 4923840 Anusocracy
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Obviously you misunderstand.

I'm just stating an unwillingness to be a slave to your and suteibu's idiotic beliefs.

Keep them between your ears - where they won't do any harm.

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 23:10 | 4923805 Anusocracy
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I am happy for you to be a servant to whatever form of government you want. Same for _disengage_.

I just don't want any part of either, or any other form for that matter.

But that will expose the real problem: those who think that they are the owners of everyone else.

Fri, 07/04/2014 - 14:40 | 4925033 Hopeless for Change
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ahhh, that good old binary way of thinking.  Don't like an intrusive government overstepping its bounds and driving us hopelessly into debt?  You are an anarchist.  Don't like open borders?  You are a racist.  Don't like Obamacare?  You hate the poor, and are also a racist.

Fri, 07/04/2014 - 14:53 | 4925060 Deer Hunter
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Amen to that. I'm happy being a racists, go white, black and brown people, as long as you were born here and don't take handouts from the fed.

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 22:36 | 4923739 SafelyGraze
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a rising storm-surge sinks all boats

hurricane arthur


Thu, 07/03/2014 - 22:46 | 4923759 TeamDepends
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Columbia University, while you've had some superstar great minds who have worked for good, you have also given shelter to many far-left asswipes who have gone on to destroy this country.

Fri, 07/04/2014 - 14:40 | 4925034 Monty Burns
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asswipes who have gone on to destroy this country

...who have gone on to deliberately destroy the country.  There, fixed it. Cloward Piven, Alinsky, the Frankfurt them and the dots will form a very clear picture.  Nothing will ever look the same again.

Fri, 07/04/2014 - 19:54 | 4925762 TeamDepends
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Dude, you forgot Barry Obongojimihendrixsoetorosoebarkajammalamadingdong.

Fri, 07/04/2014 - 21:29 | 4925885 putaipan
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leave jimi hendrix the fuck out out this!    what the fuck kinda stupid are you?

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 05:29 | 4928469 All Risk No Reward
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Name one person who came out of Columbia that tells the truth about the criminal fraud that is debt based money?

Crickets?  They are all either criminal or dumb *sses then - IQ doesn't matter when society is being taken over through a 5th grade mathematical based usurious Trojan Horse fraud and one can't even figure it out - even when they ae told how it works.

Damen Vrable made it out of one of the dElite schools, worked on Wall Street and turned "whistle blower," if you will...

Renaissance 2.0

Debunking Money - The Way the World Really Works

I count one of these dElite schooled people doing something truly productive over the long term...

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 22:40 | 4923748 _disengage_
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Did you read Oldwood's comment below? Are you trying to point out that everyone is dependant, because i am now seeing that. It seems like you are blaming 1/3 of the nation, the social welfare takers, and saying that this is the main problem and the people at the top stealing WAY more is just something that will come and go?

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 22:46 | 4923758 suteibu
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Well, if voters elected people to expose corruption rather than to keep the checks flowing, what do you think would happen?  Politicians do not twist the voters arms and force them to vote for them, they pay them...with your money (assuming you work and pay taxes). 

Remember the campaign ad where the granny was thrown off the cliff (same shit from both parties)?  Pretty much makes my point, I think.

Also, do not put words in my mouth or attempt to change their meaning to fit your argument.

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 22:50 | 4923771 nmewn
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The point is...whether you are rich or poor...the government has become the sole arbiter of determining your status.

If you "play ball with" .gov it can make you very rich OR give you "just enough" to stay alive in order to make it to a polling place to vote against a rich guy who can afford to keep your status right where it is.

Its not supposed to be this way.

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 23:07 | 4923800 NoDebt
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"Just enough to quiet them down, not enough to make a difference."  -LBJ, father of "The Great Society"

When you're in need, please remember not everyone who shows up at the scene is there to help you.

Fri, 07/04/2014 - 09:54 | 4924443 Meat Hammer
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"I'll have the nigger voting Democrat for a hundred years". LB mutha fuckin J

Fri, 07/04/2014 - 14:09 | 4924960 bonin006
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Pretty close, MH:

No one has ever corroborated these quotations, so there is always the chance that they were simply made up, embellished, or taken grossly out of context.  However, historians generally agree that the comments seem to be right in character for Johnson, and no one has really protested or questioned the authenticity of the comments.

“I’ll have those niggers voting Democratic for the next 200 years.” —Lyndon B. Johnson to two governors on Air Force One -

“These Negroes, they’re getting pretty uppity these days and that’s a problem for us since they’ve got something now they never had before, the political pull to back up their uppityness. Now we’ve got to do something about this, we’ve got to give them a little something, just enough to quiet them down, not enough to make a difference.”—LBJ


Fri, 07/04/2014 - 14:20 | 4924993 Meat Hammer
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Thank you for the clarification, bonin.

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 23:36 | 4923850 The_Prisoner
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Yup. The liege lords are back.

Fri, 07/04/2014 - 03:11 | 4924097 DFCtomm
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The 47% work with the 1% to screw everybody in the middle. The 1% couldn't do it without their votes.

Wed, 07/09/2014 - 11:49 | 4939694 Kobe Beef
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Kleptocracy Above. Lootarchy Below. Predators and parasites alike aligned against the productive.


Fri, 07/04/2014 - 11:29 | 4924611 nickels
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The article is hyperbolic rubbish. A buzzword smoothie. Where's my pitchfork?

Fri, 07/04/2014 - 16:53 | 4925399 redd_green
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Got that right.  Thought at one point that ZH was above Glenn Beck type garbage.  

Sat, 07/05/2014 - 08:22 | 4926260 GetZeeGold
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I would like to think ZH is above Karl Marx cult followers.

Fri, 07/04/2014 - 07:00 | 4924236 negative rates
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Are we still voting?

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 22:24 | 4923706 Manthong
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Thu, 07/03/2014 - 22:25 | 4923711 kchrisc
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Welfare, in addition to being theft, robs people of their souls. And never forget that government and their bankster masters' interference and robbery from an economy is what produces victims in need of welfare in the first place.

Fri, 07/04/2014 - 00:30 | 4923937 NeedtoSecede
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I know this not a perfect parallel, but the perpetual dependency was first tried and perfected with the American Indians. Are there any history buffs or natives (not E. Warren) with a focus on how effectively the natives where pacified/destroyed within just a couple generations of "life on the rez".  I have done some research, but would love to learn more-or correct me if I am wrong.

IMHO, They are trying to put us all on "the rez," and they know exactly what the effect will be...

By the way, this is not any type of indictment of the red man past, present or future. .gov fucked you guys over bad, and I am pleased to see a lot emerging energy and vitality coming out of the tribal lands around me. 

Maybe the sovereign tribes and those of us with an itch for secession could join forces to make an interesting "problem" for .gov????

Fri, 07/04/2014 - 03:09 | 4924095 RichardParker
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"They are trying to put us all on "the rez,""


It's actually worse than you think.  They're (slowly) herding everybody into big cities.  Kinda hard to grow your own food, eventually own your own car, maintain self sufficiency,"rugged individualism" etc.  in liberal urban metropolises.  Not to mention it's a lot easier for the alphabet agencies to monitor large numbers of people in areas with a high population density, perhaps 10-20,000 people per square mile.

Fri, 07/04/2014 - 06:14 | 4924203 surf0766
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Fri, 07/04/2014 - 11:21 | 4924586 odatruf
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For what it is worth, although I don't like or agree with logical resting place of _disengage_ arguement, he/she has a point and it is one well worth thoughtfully discussing.  And to that end, I think much of the above is better in that regards tham has been true on ZH for a while.

Happy BBQ Day, America.

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 23:30 | 4923837 Dingleberry
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You can add up all the costs and casualties of war and it won't come close to touching what we have lost due to welfare.

We've lost more welfare momma childrenz in Chicago alone in the last decade than soldiers in the Mid East. Think of prison costs. Think of incalculable social costs. 

Now think of every single great society inner city and the bloodbath that continues 24/7.

Poverty alone does not explain this, as Appalachia would be the most dangerous place in the nation. if it did.

But is not.

If anyone thinks liberalism and welfare does not cause massive violence, destroy entire societies, and keep trans-generational dependency on democrats, all I can say is "fuck you, you stupid fuck".

I grew up watching that stupid shit destroy everything it touched, including my own family members. 

Incredibly, those so enslaved cannot even see who fucked them in the ass.  Stockholm syndrome personified.



Fri, 07/04/2014 - 00:09 | 4923913 IridiumRebel
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"Baby?!? I promise I won't hit you again....I'll be good this time."

Fri, 07/04/2014 - 07:21 | 4924253 NoPension
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And then the dipshit moral equivalency argument pops up, like clockwork. " but war and bankers take so much more"
Dollar for dollar, I'll agree, more probably goes to the top, than the bottom. But as already detailed, there is much more going on when someone is on the dole.
First of all, you don't produce. I've often wondered why a welfare check does not at least require you turn in a couple bags of litter picked up. Even First Commie FDR had it set up as a work program.
Second, you're rewarded for having more kids. Why do peeps in poverty breed like rabbits? Stop producing mouths to feed, thank you. ( oh, little Tanique'wa or Jose could be the president or find a cure for cancer. Yeah, right) edit ; the President part may come true.
Third, ( but not last) politicians got this "paid for votes" down to a science. I've had older conservatives tell me they vote Dem, just to insure the check keeps coming.

Keep making your top- bottom argument. It exposes you as a usefull idiot every time.

Fri, 07/04/2014 - 10:00 | 4924454 fiftybagger
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"Why do peeps in poverty breed like rabbits?"

In developing and agrarian societies the answer is simple; more children means more workers.  But in modern welfare state America, more chilluns means a bigger check each month.  If six kids were the most they paid for, every one of those welfare moms would have exactly six and no more.  People act based on the incentives they are given.

Silver For The People

Fri, 07/04/2014 - 14:46 | 4925044 Monty Burns
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Incredibly, those so enslaved cannot even see who fucked them in the ass.

It's worse than that.  The enslaved think that these people are the only ones trying to help.

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 23:29 | 4923841 Hugh G Rection
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They don't need Cloward-Piven.  Once the Zionist Banking Cartel has used the USA up like a whore, extracting all the blood and treasure they can in service of the Zionist state, they will then pull the plug on the economy and put their cigarettes out on our tits. 


If you haven't read this short book you should.  It cost an honest Jew his life:

Fri, 07/04/2014 - 04:04 | 4924148 teslaberry
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what you do not understand is that this mindset , a liberal one , is INTENTIONALLY sponsored by the military itself. 


the military makes sure to take care of 'veterans' and other government employees in so far as they are part of a narrative of showing how 'good' the miltiary behavior is. 




the deep connections of the warfare welfare state come to the ultimate realization that regardless of how poor the long term military sttrategy of the nation----that the military will suck up as much money as it can for as long as it can while it bankrupts the nation. 

this is the pattern of warfare sustained by elites as the wealth gained by warfare is intfenitismall compared the wealth required to wage the war, HOWEVER IT ACCRUES TO THOSE WHO ARE PUSHING THE WARFARE POLICY---A VERY VERY SELECT FEW GROUPS. 




when you see 'neo-cons' talk about scaling back welfare they are outright lying. what they want is a slave state with weelfare for the jackboots and spy apparatus. they want tax dollars operating on their business model, they are not against welfare per se because they need warfare. 






WHILE the neocons and the hardcore liberals always claim to be on opposite ends of the spectrum their cooincidental embrace and support for various aspects of underlying welfare keeps them together and makes it a frustrating argument against them. 


it's like trying to expalin why strawberry is a good flavor and you have people who claim to love vannilla and people who claim to love chococolate ganging up together and explaining why strawberry ice-cream is horrible and should never ever be considered good. 

you realize that the chocholate and vanilla lovers aren't really so different despite their claimed differences. 


it's a scary and difficult thing to argue against especially because you know full well that taxation and inflation of the working, saving, and impoverished classes is the source of the 'welfare' . the welfare is generally resulting in everyone staying poor in th ename of fighting a way, until the war is over and then the war maybe comes home. 



Thu, 07/03/2014 - 22:12 | 4923674 Oldwood
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Its not the money, its the rot of society.

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 22:18 | 4923692 _disengage_
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Agreed, but should we not focus on trying to treat/diagnose the cause (corruption/crime) instead of any of the many symptoms (dependency, etc)?

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 22:29 | 4923718 kchrisc
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The cause, diagnosis, is not corruption, it is criminal government and their bankster masters stealing "all that falls."

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 22:30 | 4923722 Oldwood
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The cause? What do you think the cause of this corruption is? I believe corruption is about people becoming dependent upon an unsustainable system that depends on continuing theft to stay afloat. What we are witnessing is the corruption of the entire world. people lining up for their free shit, be it welfare, government projects, corporate welfare, endless debt, printing of money, fucking endless demand for what does not exist without theft, and ultimately will not exist period. no one wants this corruption to end because their wealth, their income depends upon it. Everyone's. the reason it hasn't changed, the reason it has only got worse is because the solutions cost us. buying domestic cost us, so we bought cheap imports. paying our neighbors a decent wage cost us so we hired illegal labor. Paying for a society full of love and generosity is expensive so we vote for people to give it all away using debt rather than paying for it. this is our corruption. Obama is simply the face of corruption. We are the ones corrupted and each and every day we become evermore. Our opportunity for choices has passed. we have created the reality we now exist in and cannot go back. those choices have passed.

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 22:36 | 4923736 _disengage_
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Thanks for this explaination, how even the people at the top are dependant. I understand where ya'll are coming from now I think.

Fri, 07/04/2014 - 06:56 | 4924231 SunRise
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The problem:  Larceny of the Heart.

Fri, 07/04/2014 - 10:04 | 4924461 fiftybagger
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If this dependency system ended tomorrow, how much effect would it have on the Amish? 


Go and do thou likewise....

Fri, 07/04/2014 - 20:34 | 4925819 Amish Hacker
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Hear, hear.

Fri, 07/04/2014 - 13:17 | 4924845 TheReplacement
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How exactly do "free" people pay for a "society full of love and generosity"?  I ask because the way you put it the concept sounds like it would be compulsory.  If that is correct how is you idea any different than what we have now?

As to "our opportunity for choices has passed" statement, what is stopping you from choosing, right now, to not go along?  We all have choices to make.  Perhaps some will end worse than others and others may take longer to be painful but in the end, we all choose, even if we think we don't.  You cannot pass off responsibility for what you are allowing to happen by claiming you do not have a choice.  You are simply going along to get along, by choice.

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 05:41 | 4928493 All Risk No Reward
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From my stand point, the Founding Fathers valued freedom of the individual very highly and only allowed government to the point that they felt it was absolutely necessary.

Of course, that concept has become more perverted than Pee Herman in an adult theater.

Fri, 07/04/2014 - 13:18 | 4924848 TheReplacement
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How exactly do "free" people pay for a "society full of love and generosity"?  I ask because the way you put it the concept sounds like it would be compulsory.  If that is correct how is you idea any different than what we have now?

As to "our opportunity for choices has passed" statement, what is stopping you from choosing, right now, to not go along?  We all have choices to make.  Perhaps some will end worse than others and others may take longer to be painful but in the end, we all choose, even if we think we don't.  You cannot pass off responsibility for what you are allowing to happen by claiming you do not have a choice.  You are simply going along to get along, by choice.

Fri, 07/04/2014 - 03:08 | 4924094 DFCtomm
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The majority of the federal budget goes to entitlements, and that includes social security. I realize that you've been told all your life that we spend all on money on the military and nothing on the poor, but it's been a lie.

Fri, 07/04/2014 - 07:11 | 4924248 RazvanM
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In both cases, the money spent are taken from the people. You don't justify paying welfare because war. The war was not started by the people. WTF?

Fri, 07/04/2014 - 20:49 | 4925839 BoingBoing
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You're missing the ZH narrative - the world's economy is fucked, but social welfare is still the worst thing on the planet.

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 22:05 | 4923652 LetThemEatRand
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Yes, if anyone thinks this is anything other than that, they are not paying attention.  The King is dead.  Long live the King.

Fri, 07/04/2014 - 18:09 | 4925584 Stalkedbyhackers01
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Curious let them eat rand, back when I became an internet celeb when you said my mom was a whore and ya I know that bothers you ect, I'm curious what did I ever do to you? In case you don't know who I am I'm the guy you all love to hate and who has his rants somehow read by people on this site even though he writes them supposedly on the privacy of his own computer. My hacker and stalker fan club has grown rather large since then. My hacker friends have since escalated matters.

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 22:08 | 4923661 Oldwood
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Embrace religion for all we have left is to pray for benevolent tyrants.

the zombie infection has begun to spread. there is no stopping it.

shelter in place?

run for the hills?

the end has never before been so clearly in sight. humanity has faced many great terrors and disasters. great wars. but there has always been hope in a future because there were many who still believed in a future...and fought for it. not now. people will barely fight for themselves. the future has been killed and like blocking all light from the sun, we will watch as freedom and humanity withers and dies.

Fri, 07/04/2014 - 05:46 | 4924136 The_Prisoner
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Just read this and found relevant:

"Without a tradition and a worldview to inform science, science is not a search for knowledge or truth, but a tool of power politics, enforced by the nastiest oligarchs to their own ends.  Science becomes scientism, the baseless ideology of a technocratic state with no other telos than the perpetuation of the technocratic corporate state itself. "




Fri, 07/04/2014 - 15:55 | 4925236 Totentänzerlied
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Yeah, what else is new. To paraphrase Foucault, issues of knowledge are always also issues of power.

When push comes to shove, science is only funded because it yields technology. Technology which someone can then use to make money or gain power.

Fri, 07/04/2014 - 13:37 | 4924888 TheReplacement
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:15 seconds in, Siggy asks and Rollo answers.  For what it is worth, the Vikings were extremely religious.

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 22:10 | 4923667 Harbanger
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"We had to destroy it in order to save it."  An American progressive.

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 22:22 | 4923694 LetThemEatRand
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You know that quote was originally attributed to a General in connection with the Vietnam war and the need to destroy a village, right?  Probably had a flower in his gun, if it was a real quote.  More likely based on my research, the words were never said.  So the whole thing is a chimera, like you.

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 22:45 | 4923756 Harbanger
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I never said anyone said it.  The destruction is in still underway.  I was quoting a future comment that will be made by an American progressive. 

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 22:49 | 4923766 LetThemEatRand
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Seriously?  That's your response?  You didn't know the source of the quote as a Vietman war General and you were instead quoting a hypothetical future progressive?   Now I remember why I stopped responding to your posts.

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 22:54 | 4923778 Harbanger
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Doesn't it make sense to you?  "We had to destroy it" is past tense.  Therefore not possible right now, as it has 'nt happened yet.  It would only make sense in the future.  You see, you respond to me because you love me Lola.

Fri, 07/04/2014 - 00:03 | 4923903 LetThemEatRand
Fri, 07/04/2014 - 10:07 | 4924465 fiftybagger
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Is the Huffington Post down?

Fri, 07/04/2014 - 09:57 | 4924447 New_Meat
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LTER: get your shit together.

and note that VDH, as careful as they come, doubts the origin.  But after all, it was too good a story to let go, so Arnett and Cronkite just ran with it.

You know, "fake but accurate"

- Ned

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 22:47 | 4923763 Anusocracy
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"To plunder, to slaughter, to steal, these things they misname empire; and where they make a desert, they call it peace."

Fri, 07/04/2014 - 04:26 | 4924160 malek
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 More likely based on my research, the words were never said.

Your "logic" is becoming more mentally fucked up by the hour.
So nobody else is allowed to use the quote because a General already used it in Vietnam.
Oh no wait, the whole thing was a fabrication so that's why nobody is allowed to use it now or ever again, even if it fits.

And after all that wordtwisting,
you somehow left out the most important aspect of it: had the whole case of "the need of destroying a village" ever happened??

Fri, 07/04/2014 - 13:38 | 4924892 TheReplacement
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I believe you are correct about it being a chimera but who started that?  Certainly it was a member of the media and we all know where they stand on things.

Sat, 07/05/2014 - 20:40 | 4927728 Pickleton
Fri, 07/04/2014 - 00:31 | 4923940 Buck Johnson
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Your correct, I never heard of this but after reading it this is a horrible idea and will backfire big time. 

Fri, 07/04/2014 - 03:54 | 4924126 Reptil
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exactly mr. Prisoner. neo-feudalism.
in this regard that, unlike the feodal states of the middle ages (before the agricultural reform), the peasants will be targeted for disposal, because not wanted.
ours is a technological age. so I'd suggest we'd call it technological-feudalism. (as in technology just for the benefit of the usurpers.)
to anyone that expects the return of the nanny state, and a sort of soviet style human farm, here's a cold shower:
the Republicans are just as dangerous, just have a different way of going about it.

Fri, 07/04/2014 - 03:56 | 4924135 The_Prisoner
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Thanks Reptil, interesting video I will be sure to watch.

From its opening moments it becomes evident the "eco" agenda is just subterfuge for implementation of mechanisms of control and extermination.

And hence my position that people such as ZH's Flakmeister are no different than fascists as they use scientism of AGW as a fulcrum for control. They want to turn the entire world into Palestine.

Fri, 07/04/2014 - 04:31 | 4924154 Reptil
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"The "eco" agenda is just subterfuge for implementation of mechanisms of control and extermination."
While that doesn't have to be. We can easily repair depleted and destroyed ecosystems, but that is not the goal of these people.

Here's an example how that's possible in below video. It's positive, while the ideology and actions of the ruling class are negative.
They've persuaded a part of the "progressives" that human beings as such are the problem.

While it is of course a destructive policy that came into adulthood with the consumer society that is the problem.
This through central planning through the control over money, and flow of money.
Being opposed to the senseless, destructive consumer society does not make one anti-capitalist.
They say "there's those that want to destroy the environment versus themselves who want to rescue us by pushing us into a collective".
(Of course I'm paraphrasing for the purpose of making a point.)
Where they are wrong is of course that the ones controlling the collective would be the same people that now destroy the environment.
So a false choice is presented.

But there's a third option: you could call it "green individualism".
I think this is the way forward for the inmediate future: Economic boom, massive employment, self empowerment, through... rehabilitation large-scale damaged ecosystems instead of misusing these. We'd need all the people we can get, because it's very labour intensive. But would be possible without some maoist style nonsense by granting people land rights of the land they've just repaired. I think it's an important element that would guarantee success. It would carry this idea above the top-down soviet style mass project and into a liberation of humanity's individualism. And it's fairly simple to do. That's my personal take on it, and I differ from some of the ideas presented in the video.
But the overal idea is valid.
Even if you completely disagree, this is a video worth watching:
Moreover I think that with our society's level of technological development, that could easily be used to clean up the mess made in the last 100 years.
Which would start another round of innovation and a ramp up, instead of the ridiculous hollow economy that we have now.

In which there's not even funds allocated to try dam in the huge disaster that is Fukushima. It says enough that the (fake) "eco" people are not inclined to tackle that anytime soon.
The proof is in the pudding.

Of course these ideas would mean decentralisation. And that's what this is about. These usurpers want to be in control, at any cost.

Fri, 07/04/2014 - 04:37 | 4924166 The_Prisoner
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Mate, it doesn't even require high tech.

I posted thin in a fukushima tread. Paul Stamets has shown you can clean radiation with mushrooms. Mushrooms! But it doesn't mae money for the corporations, so you don't hear about it.




Fri, 07/04/2014 - 05:17 | 4924173 Reptil
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I did watch this presentation before, the man is doing invaluable work charting these building blocks of life.
It could be valid, since fungi are the vanguard of our biotope, making it possible for other forms of life to exist.
But one important issue is that radiation cannot be diluted, and I have yet to see the mushroom that can "switch off" alpha or beta particle emissions.
So mushrooms could be used to "soak up" the radioactive cesium, and then be harvested, concentrated, locked up. At this moment any idea is worth looking into.

As for these corporations, GE, TEPCO, Mitsubishi, Areva..
So they're stuck in a spiral downwards. Because no profit from disaster? Sounds like the cancer industry.
I'm fairly optimistic about the chances of humanity. IF we can get rid of the present idiots in charge, and replace that with decentralised systems.

Here's an example how sustainable communities are targeted (this one in the USA)

Fri, 07/04/2014 - 05:51 | 4924198 The_Prisoner
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You are correct again.

Decentralisation is key.

That's one of the reasons I believe Russia plays an important role in preventing the hegemonic West from centralising the world command structure.

Fri, 07/04/2014 - 08:22 | 4924322 BeansMcGreens
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Also check-out Biochar. The individual can do this quite easily.

Fri, 07/04/2014 - 07:31 | 4924259 NoPension
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Religion. Used through the ages,as a tool to control and inspire peeps. Sometimes for good, sometimes not.

Eco shit. The new "Religion" being sold to the kids. The indoctrination process and results are EXACTLY the same.

Fri, 07/04/2014 - 09:35 | 4924419 StateofFraud
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That you with the downvote Mr. Rockefeller?

Fri, 07/04/2014 - 09:24 | 4924411 TheReplacement
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Perhaps that is someone's goal but I'll guess that there are a few whose goal is equality through universal death.

Fri, 07/04/2014 - 10:18 | 4924486 Landrew
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You are talking about the FREE SHIT ARMY of BANKERS right? The people who take the most from OUR country! WE the people guarantee THEIR speculation with our money. How sick is that?

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 23:41 | 4923862 JLee2027
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And after the welfare state collapses, back to America we come. The evil genuises never thought of that, as the planning stopped at "welfare state".

Fri, 07/04/2014 - 00:50 | 4923969 Freddie
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Conservatives/Constitutionalists have been warning everyone since 2008 and loads of people plus stupid libs thought it was a f**king joke.  And Bush, Clinton, Bush 2 were all Obama lite.  They are ALL men of the NWO-Al See Eye Aye Duh-Deep State.

Fri, 07/04/2014 - 09:41 | 4924428 booboo
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Ironically the weak link in this theory and possibly the downfall of the progressives will lie in there own methods. Americans are too lazy to get off their ass to protest shit (thanks to the entitlement mentality) too dumbed down (thank you public edjukashun) and too apathetic to care enough (thank you MSM). To wit, Obama has been trying to instigate uprisings and has failed even among his most vocal enemies who are patiently waiting, building hatred against the state.
As far as collapsing the system it will be the public servants, families of public servants that will be revolting and that will just piss off the rank and file joe six packs even more. The state will be crushed when they start destroying the alternative methods of trade in local communities trying to circumvent the mess the state has created. Too many folks are wise to their designs as the C&P crowd have waited too long perhaps drunk with money and power which the allure may have been too much a temptation even for the most ardent progressive shit stirrer. At any rate their demise will come swiftly and with malice.

Fri, 07/04/2014 - 10:15 | 4924474 fiftybagger
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Correct.  The people who be will rioting in the streets will be the government and union workers when they are told to get lost, and that their pension went up the chimney.  But presently they are still useful idiots.

Fri, 07/04/2014 - 21:55 | 4925917 Van Halen
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Obama and the Liberal/Democrat/Marxist cabal have been practicing incremental totalitarianism for years. Now, Obama realizes he's only got a little time left and has the spigots of government abuse and despotism wide open.

Sadly, the Republicans, who should be the plumbers in this story, have been outside on a cigarette break for oh, the last five decades.

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 22:02 | 4923643 Yen Cross
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   Trick Question?

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 22:02 | 4923644 a growing concern
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Does a bear shit in the woods?

Fri, 07/04/2014 - 00:53 | 4923974 mt paul
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i poop

on icebergs

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 22:07 | 4923655 El Vaquero
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It doesn't matter what they are trying to do.  Expensive oil trumps the plans of these bitchez and will crash us anyway. 

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 22:17 | 4923688 sylviasays
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Massive money printing by the Fed, expensive entitlement programs, increasing energy dependence due to restrictions on domestic oil drilling and coal mining will all help to hasten the crash. 

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 23:46 | 4923871 Anusocracy
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So will wars.

Fri, 07/04/2014 - 00:53 | 4923971 Freddie
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Open borders.  This is like the sacking of Rome.

Fri, 07/04/2014 - 00:33 | 4923946 El Vaquero
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"DRILL BABY DRLL!" will only delay the inevitable, even if the restrictions are lifted.  Keep in mind that a billion barrels of oil ain't shit in the grand scheme, and a lot of the drilling restrictions are in deep water, which means that the oil will be expensive.  It's not just "how many barrels of oil are there down there," but also how much of our economic input we have to allocate towards getting at those barrels.  TANSTAAFL.

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 22:09 | 4923659 The Most Intere...
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Problem is 100% of democrats want socialism and at least half of republicans want it. So called "conservatives" that vote for social security and Medicare welfare programs are part of the problem.

What to do?

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 23:45 | 4923868 Anusocracy
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It's simple.

Part of the hunter-gatherer (liberal) culture transitioned into the sedentary (conservative) culture over several thousand years.

The apple didn't fall too far from the tree.

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 22:10 | 4923666 homiegot
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Whatever it's called, it's not working.

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 22:13 | 4923681 Oldwood
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Then you do not understand it's purpose.

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 23:42 | 4923865 JLee2027
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It's purpose is flawed and cannot be sustained.

Fri, 07/04/2014 - 07:36 | 4924263 onewayticket2
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it's purpose is the opposite of sustainability..................

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 22:12 | 4923672 sylviasays
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"The tactic can only decrease wealth security by making all citizens equally destitute."

Not likely. Wealthy cronies of the political class like Warren Buffett and George Soros will probably never be destitute. 

"All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others."--Animal Farm


Thu, 07/03/2014 - 22:16 | 4923687 Oldwood
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There will always be the administrators, the "leadership"who necessarily need to maintain a higher "existence", regardless of any societal construct.

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 22:43 | 4923754 Nick Jihad
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Yep. As we have seen time and again, the "useful idiots" always imagine that they will be among the privileged leaders of their brave new world.

Fri, 07/04/2014 - 01:51 | 4924048 Freddie
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Destroying the middle class.

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 22:13 | 4923677 Chief Kessler
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Yeah I love how fucktards view trillion dollar wars and all the fun that goes with them as not destroying the country. 9/11 , Afganistan, Iraq, TARP. Brought to you by whom? And who is still trying to clean up the mess? When white folks make a mess they send in the black guy. Now bitch about healthcare.....pffft!

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 22:27 | 4923697 sylviasays
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"When white folks make a mess they send in the black guy. Now bitch about healthcare.....pffft!"

When race-baiting black folks make a mess like Obozo the Marxist dictator has, they blame whitey and anyone but theyselves. 

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 23:04 | 4923798 Oldwood
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Why is it always minorities that bring up race? Another distraction.

Fri, 07/04/2014 - 10:00 | 4924453 Meat Hammer
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It's the only thing they have (perceived) in their argument.  What else are you supposed to do when you have zero facts working in your favor?

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