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Ukraine's New Interior Minister Promises To Retake Crimea From Russia

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The civil war in east Ukraine - the self-proclaimed republic of Novorossiya - is back on and raging as violently as ever, with unconfirmed reports that even Russia has now gotten involved:

This follows what BBC reported was the death of at least nine civilians during an attack on a village in the Luhansk region of eastern Ukraine. "The rebels have accused the Ukrainian army of shelling and bombing the village of Luhanska. But Ukrainian officials said their forces were not in the area, blaming the rebels themselves."

In other words more of the same, and certainly not helping any attempts at peace or even a ceasefire, as Russia and Ukraine are again stuck accusing each other of scuttling all attempts at ending hostilities. As Reuters noted, in a telephone conversation with U.S. Vice President Joe Biden, Poroshenko repeated a promise that Kiev could return to the ceasefire, on three conditions. "A statement on his website said he wanted assurances on a 'bilateral' truce, the release of hostages, and the deployment of international monitors to check Ukraine's porous border with Russia. Moscow denies Ukraine's charges that it is letting fighters and weapons cross into the east of the country."

Curiously, besides Putin benefiting from higher oil prices as a result of geopolitical instability, and a far better venue to achieve that nowadays would be Iraq anyway, one wonders who actually has more to gain from perpetuating the fighting.

Yet the most surprising news of the day comes not from the contested region, but from Kiev where Ukraine's president Poroshenko appointed a new Ukraine defense minister, Valeriy Heletey. His first promise? To not only re-engage Russia in Crimea, but to be victorious in doing so. From BBC:

New Ukrainian Defence Minister Valeriy Heletey has promised that the army would retake Crimea, restoring the country's territorial integrity.


Addressing parliament in Kiev, he said: "There will be a victory parade... in Ukraine's Sevastopol."


Lt Gen Heletey, 46, was approved by MPs in Kiev after being recommended by Mr Poroshenko as someone who would work day and night to restore the military capability of the country's armed forces. His remark about Sevastopol was applauded by the chamber.

We are confident Putin had a different, and far more amused reaction to the statement.

But while we applaud Ukraine's attempts at generating populist enthusiasm, a far bigger problem for the nation will be if, as we explained previously, Russia not only manages to finally conclude the South Stream, which despite Europe's attempts at sabotage, is proceeding according to schedule, but diverts all gas transit away from Ukraine. At that point, Ukraine will be completely irrelevant not only to Russia, which already has under its control, via separatist groups, the industrial regions in the east, but to Europe. It goes without saying that the second Russia makes Ukraine irrelevant as a core transit hub to Europe, all the promises from Europe, NATO, IMF and of course, America, will be gone with the wind. Only then will Ukraine discover just how credible its newly found allies are...


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Thu, 07/03/2014 - 16:42 | 4922723 Impoverished Ps...
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They will not stop until they push Vlad into war... this is the plan.


Thu, 07/03/2014 - 16:47 | 4922737 Anusocracy
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"someone who would work day and night to restore the military capability of the country's armed forces."

Just what a fucking dirt poor country needs.

Idiot puppets of the West.

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 16:58 | 4922759 Deathrips
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I think Putin should throw the biggest independence day party that the world has ever seen ....peaceful in eastern Ukraine. Bands, Free alcohol, free drugs...womens clothing optional....only under 150 lbs ;).

Film it all live internet streaming and when the west attack..there will be no doubt who the terrorists are.


If only..


Thu, 07/03/2014 - 17:30 | 4922884 TahoeBilly2012
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The West also wants missles in Ukraine, don't forget that.

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 18:12 | 4923020 Manthong
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Hell, they can’t take a marginally armed civilian region..  good luck with tens of thousands of pissed off Russian troops that would just love to take out murdering Nazis.

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 18:17 | 4923037 The Alarmist
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Next comes that age old taunt heard from children:  "Oh yeah? You and what army?"

Fri, 07/04/2014 - 08:54 | 4924357 BorisTheBlade
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That's what nations and states in failure do, they go to war, often with adversary they cannot defeat. Ukraine is a basket case with nothing but debts and internal conflict they will try and project outside the country. Populace will be rallied against ressurgent Russia, which will only intervene when it has 100% rock solid justification to do so, i.e. being attacked. I have no dount Kiev regime may at some point be suicidal enough to take on Crimea with nothing but pitchforks with the easily predictable outcome. Russia again will be painted in darkest colors possible in Western media and Ukrainians will become fiercely anti-Russian and long and bloody conflict will follow. At least that's the plan. It doesn't mean though, events will follow this path. With current level of strategic thinkind in D.C. they could easily screw up entire thing and end up being defeated by their own arrogance with Poroshenko facing same pitchforks he thought would be turned against Putin.

Either way, Ukraine is unfortunately screwed.

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 17:31 | 4922890 NoDebt
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Cant keep the heat or lights on, but somehow there's always money for war.

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 17:35 | 4922906 Oracle 911
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The schmucks will get the war, but not that kind which they want.

Yeah, the economic war is on and the US PTB is helping the BRICS with everything.


BTW in which mental asylum they found this so called general?

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 17:46 | 4922944 TheReplacement
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"Only under 150 lbs"

Seriously?  You don't like fatties but kinda fatty is okay?  Dude that just gross.  120 MAX.

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 17:53 | 4922969 MrPalladium
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Hey, a gal who is 5' 11" should weigh at least 145 lbs!!

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 18:09 | 4923010 Manthong
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How much should a 7 foot female (it's hard to tell) wookie weigh?

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 18:10 | 4923013 therover
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Ya got that right. I don't want a 5'11'' stick. 

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 18:38 | 4923093 Deathrips
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Theres a 6'2" blonde whos hot as fuck..thats like a buck 45 ish. ;)

I wanna see it.



Fri, 07/04/2014 - 06:47 | 4924223 IronForge
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Come on over to Manhattan Beach, California.

They have those Beach Volleyball Dames (from the tournaments) here.  I used to work out at a Fitness Ctr Franchise in Hermosa a few years ago.  Some had pretty faces; and worked real hard at the Gym - I had no problem helping them with their routine (e.g., Pull-ups).

Not my type, though (too "lean") - I prefer some degree of non-artificially enhanced "curvature" for the Future Trophy Wife.   

The Town's a nice place for a Tour/Mountain Bike Route, too.

Fri, 07/04/2014 - 04:49 | 4924176 Volkodav
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Russian Federation "Independence Day" is in June.

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 16:56 | 4922762 czarangelus
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It really honestly seems that way, but fucking why? Who gains from knocking over bridges, sapping all the wealth from the working classes that might otherwise go to funding innovations and raise the tide for all boats?

David Icke's reptilians are looking more and more likely because at least that's a consistent narrative that makes sense. It's hard to believe there could be any motive at work but an active, intentional, methodical destruction of as much human capital as possible.

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 17:00 | 4922769 magpie
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The people running the West from the shadows are dialectical materialists, believing in the complete inevatibility of collapse.

They will not even contemplate just preserving the status quo, they will accelerate the destruction. And magically, after the kaboom, the Georgia Guidestone Weltrevolution.

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 17:29 | 4922880 NotApplicable
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If one's only option is to break things, might as well break them to your liking.

Also known as "Plan A."

(and B, and C...)

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 17:27 | 4922872 Radical Marijuana
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David Icke's reptilians theory is more recently being presented by him as more about "other dimensions," rather than being literal. To me, it seems that, as the real world overtakes Icke, he has simultaneously fallen back to explaining his views in more believable ways.

I go for the general theory of morphogenic fields, in which there are chreodes operating. From that perspective, then ALL living beings are surrounded by force fields. Indeed, they are actually manifestations of relative particularizations out of the force fields. There is nothing new these days in the notions of more dimensions being seriously considered in physics, which therefore make that kind of metaphysics become very plausible.

To apply that general theory, consider that civilization has resulted in specialization of labour, with the most crucial of those being the rulings classes that survived by specializing the most in being dishonest and backing that up with violence. Consider thousands and thousands of years of selection for the people who were the best at backing up deceits with destruction thereby becoming the ruling classes within that sequence of civilizations. Now consider what their morphogenic fields would look like, or how their chreodes would have developed.

The ruling classes are very concerned with their blood lines, and with attempting to train their children to take over the established systems. They would have been both biologically and culturally selected and conditioned to be the kinds of people that they are. The ruling classes were the result of the history of successful warfare based on deceits, and successful finance based on frauds. From the point of view of most of the people they rule over, they would appears as metaphorically like "aliens" without normal human compassion. Anyone who had the sensitive abilities to imagine that would see them appearing as being that, since their "real" force fields actually ARE that!

However, merely being the best at being dishonesty and backing that up with violence in the past does not necessarily guarantee anything in the future. In my view, what has happened is that the ruling classes have become criminally insane, because they were not good at anything other than wiping out their competition, which used to be good enough, but no longer is remotely close to being sufficient.

Certainly, in my view, this new individual who the puppet masters have indirectly installed in the Western Ukraine's military appears to be the criminally insane product of the actualization a bigger overall criminally insane agenda. I believe we are looking at the inertia of social and political habits carrying itself forward. The history that selected for the ruling classes to become the best at being dishonest and violent has cruised on autopilot into a a new set of environmental conditions, which it has not yet had time to adapt to.

Unfortunately for human beings, ecological calculations are like a meat-grinder, that differentially kills people. The corrections to those human ecology calculations can take a lot of meat-grinding, especially in the absence of any better culture of artificial selection. In that context, I think that the current ruling classes are going to get their teeth worn out.

Anyway, those are indications of my kinds of answers to your question, czarangelus, of "fucking why?"

The poetic metaphors about archeons, or aliens, or whatever, tend to be over-simplistic symbols for real phenomena in evolutionary ecologies of energy systems, of which we are only just beginning to glimpse and more thoroughly understand. However, in my view, all of those who have been popularizing those notions are still collapsing back to old-fashioned false fundamental dichotomies and related impossible ideals, when they turn from their analysis to their suggestions of "solutions" for those problems that most of our previously established social and political habits have become criminally insane, and psychotically detached from reality, WHICH IS WHAT THE STATEMENTS OF THE CRAZY GUY IN THE UNIFORM FEATURED IN THIS ARTICLE APPEAR TO BE!

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 17:34 | 4922902 TahoeBilly2012
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There is not doubt where the US once screamed "human rights" they now allow allies to bomb cilivians in broad daylight, or hand out cookies to paid Nazi's. It's a huge change and you wonder if it's desperation or actually a twist in tactics to simply scare the fuck out of everyone. I can't tell.

Fri, 07/04/2014 - 00:17 | 4923920 luftmensch
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Radical m, thats a very interesting but cynical view. Wisdom can also be passed through chreodes.

Not sure how you're relating that to Ukraine, but 90% of the articles and comments on ZH are extremely one-sided, and much of them are likely paid Russian propaganda targeting anyone critical of the West. Specifically about Crimea, what do the Crimeans have to say:

"The highly professional poll shows an overwhelming majority of Ukrainian citizens want Russia only as a friendly neighbor with open borders and no visas. Some 12.5 percent want Russia and Ukraine as one country, reaching a high of 20% in the East and 25% in the Crimean south. An unoccupied Ukraine would not voluntarily join the corrupt and dysfunctional Russia."

Fri, 07/04/2014 - 03:53 | 4924133 Titus
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1) Consider the source, dipshit.

2) ukraine is two different countries. the parasitic westerners who dont produce anything but consume wealth, and the easterners who, as a whole, spend their lives in factories creating value.

Fri, 07/04/2014 - 04:48 | 4924174 Volkodav
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Forbes is terrible.

You copy all the propaganda intended for useful idiots like yourself.

Fri, 07/04/2014 - 11:24 | 4924599 Jaka98
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False :(((

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 17:57 | 4922982 rubiconsolutions
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There's a great line in the movie 'Taken'......."Good luck"

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 19:03 | 4923084 Jack Burton
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That is correct "Impoverished Ps...". The Ukrainian Rada and it's now mostly radical members are just useful idiots for Washington's overall plan to force Putin to engage militarily in East Ukraine. That is why the villages and towns are under shelling and air attack. To kill enough civilians that domestic pressure inside the Russian Federation demands Putin acts to defend these people. They are the bait. Both NATO and the USA are desperate for Russia to cross that border. That would justify the complete cutting of economic ties between Russia and the EU, forced on by claims of Russian aggression. NATO would then have reason to be heavily funded and many officers promoted and more soldiers recruited and large standing armies put onto the border. Many new jobs for military men and corporate arms producers would profit heavily. But what you say is true, This is the plan. Washington is desperate to stop the growing economic and social ties between the Russian Federation and the EU nations. Too much trade, too much cross cultural mixing, too little Ameican influence and control. Plain and simple, Ukraine's nazi movement was funded by Washington because they are crazy enough to kill and kill until Putin has to cross that border. For now Russia has stood back and allowed an amazing array of artillery, rocket, mortar and air strikes on sites and towns. Russia sat by after the massacre in Odessa and Mariupol and now the hundreds of dead inside the bombardment zone.

In the last two days Ukraine's army and right sector gangs attacked all across the front. In most cases they were stopped in their tracks by the self defense forces and smow air craft were shot down, several tanks and APC's knocked out. The offensive failed to break through, though sheer force of numbers has shifted some Self Defense fighters to new positions.

The deluded fools in the Rada and the military leadership are doing what their CIA and US military commanders tell them. But at the front morale is bad, there have been defections by Kiev's men in Donetsk. Also several hundred Kiev border troops ran away into Russia and asked for asylum, other joined the local self defense forces. Kiev's military frankly sucks. All they can do is bombard, when they move to attack, they get hit hard. What progress they do make is by using 20-1 odds.

Yesterday a few interviews of Self Defense fighters wre translated and made available. In one case a soldier on the border claimed that Russian fighter aircraft crossed the border and made moves on several Ukrainian fighter bombers that were making ground attacks on his positions. He claimed the Russian fighters approached the Ukrainian planes and fired their cannon in warning shots of tracer shells. He says the Ukrainian planes made off fast and the Russian planes sped back into RUssian territory. He also said the Russian planes nip across the border as it takes only a minute for them to fly back into Russian airspace. Other reports say the same, but nobody official can confirm this. SDF fighters also claim to find weapons systems and vehicles like heavy guns and the odd tank or anti aircraft missile system just sitting along the side of the road.  It is assumed by them that these come across from Russia and are left by SDF postions by their Russian counterparts. Official support or not, it seems Russian army units on the border have slipped modern weapons across for the SDF use. That's all I have on direct Russian support for the SDF.

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 19:05 | 4923157 gruntled
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Related to Ukrainian troop morale: on SouthFront's FB page they're saying that "the punitive forces of Kiev junta" (not sure if this is Natguard or regular army conscripts - hoping it's NatGuard) in Lugansk are now having to eat stray dogs to stay alive.


As Dear Leader would say, that's not optimal.

Fri, 07/04/2014 - 00:28 | 4923936 luftmensch
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wow Jack, almost had to give you an up vote for your detailed & convoluted analysis. Are you a paid Putin blog-thug, or just an idiot who thinks Russia's oligarchs are way cooler than the Wests billionaires? Or are you simply schizo?

So your logic is the U.S. is bombing Ukraine to force a war with peace loving Putin? You and your gang of Putin lovers casually discuss "Nazis" in Ukraine -- Nazi's hate slavs as much as jews, 4m Ukranians (majority not jews) were murdered by Nazis. Why the fuck do you think anyone would become a nazi in Ukraine?!

The cold war is over, get over it, go watch the world cup if you need to get excited about tribal warfare.

Fri, 07/04/2014 - 04:00 | 4924141 Titus
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putin had no need for war, he effective controlled ukraine economically prior to the west starting revolution there.

ukrainians = jews

a bit of eastern european knowledge for you:

"Where a Ukranian has been, there is nothing left for a jew to do."


Thu, 07/03/2014 - 22:10 | 4923668 luftmensch
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wow, you got your comment submitted within 3 minutes of the article post!  Almost as if you were using automated blog spamming tools designed by Russian hackers for Putin's proganda army!

""Mr. Putin, as a young KGB officer in Berlin, was not an intelligence agent but a disinformation specialist...Putin’s invisible disinformation campaign is a carbon copy of the one Stalin used during the Great Terror (1937-1938) and World War II…""



Thu, 07/03/2014 - 16:44 | 4922727 alexcojones
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Take Crimea?

Yeah, right. Dream on, asshole.

You and general Dickwad Breedlove.

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 16:47 | 4922735 McMolotov
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Have fun storming the castle!!!

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 17:24 | 4922855 gold_pa3ot
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another putin's bitch on ZH.. fuck off

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 17:50 | 4922958 TheReplacement
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How does expressing realism make him Putin's bitch?  Ukraine cannot defeat Russia.  Do you have any rational way they could?

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 18:12 | 4923018 therover
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Nuke Sevastopol ? Oh sorry, you said rational.

Fri, 07/04/2014 - 00:35 | 4923948 luftmensch
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ultimately karma can be a bitch, life hasn't been that fun in Russia for the past few centuries, maybe y'all should consider a different approach to life.  You can take Ukraine, you can take many places, but there are consequences.

Its kind of like the difference between raping a bitch or finding someone you actually like and trying to have a good life together.

Fri, 07/04/2014 - 00:43 | 4923964 The_Prisoner
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You premise is correct, however our conclusions are wrong. Life in Russias has been a bitch, but why?

Putin is doing a great job at removing the causes:

- Arrested media control from the same group who controls media in the west.

- Outlawed gay propaganda, one of the tools used by the 5th columnists (ahem Pussy Riot).

- Re-introduced private land ownership laws. Which automatically makes Russia less socialist than the US, where imminet domain laws are going to turn it into China.

Once need only observe what hardcore globalist like George Soros are saying about Russia to know Putin is a major pimple in the ass of the NWO.

But back to your argument. Life in Russia sucked because of Bolshevism. Now, look at the policies being introduced in the West and tell me with a straight face that the West is not the current theatre of operations of the Bolsheviks.

Know your enemy.


Fri, 07/04/2014 - 02:23 | 4924070 luftmensch
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lol, yes, I'm sure you're much safer entrusting your entire media to a former E. Berlin KGB disinformation officer.  Let me know how that goes.

You may have outlawed gay propaganda from pussy riot, but it looks like your flagrantly displaying your preference for alternative lifestyles in your military (

Yeah, agreed, tyranic oligarchy is not socialism, although I heard you still have free colleges?  

Life sucks in Russia because you have a klepto-oligarchy making you their serf bitches, stealing the vast majority of your natural resources, stuffing it into Cyprus bank accounts, sending their kids to school in London, and fucking over any else who trys to start a new industry in their fiefdom.


Fri, 07/04/2014 - 04:05 | 4924149 Titus
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do you live in russia?

my guess is no, likely never been to russia either.

just another USA propagandist talking shit...

Fri, 07/04/2014 - 16:44 | 4925376 luftmensch
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I lived long-term in Russia recently, got to see your system first-hand.  

Fri, 07/04/2014 - 04:38 | 4924167 Volkodav
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All your knowledge come from mainstream media?

No wonder you are ignorant goat.

Fri, 07/04/2014 - 04:44 | 4924171 Volkodav
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Berlin? VV Putin was stationed in Dresden

Fri, 07/04/2014 - 04:35 | 4924165 Volkodav
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Good post


Thu, 07/03/2014 - 20:35 | 4923353 TungstenBars
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Oh look, another paid troll!


Go fuck off to CNN/Fox where you might actually fool some people you terrorist fuck. That, or go jump off a bridge and save the free world the trouble. 

Fri, 07/04/2014 - 00:31 | 4923939 luftmensch
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"another putin's bitch on ZH..fuck off"  -- 53 down votes to 2 up, the kremlin's spam-bots outnumber us 25:1.

Fri, 07/04/2014 - 02:13 | 4924064 angel_of_joy
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You take yourself too seriously. Nobody pays you any attention.

People vote you down to show you just how annoying (and stupid) they think you are.

Fri, 07/04/2014 - 03:53 | 4924132 MiTasol
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I can't even be fucked to vote him down, he's made big enough a dick of himself enough without any help.

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 17:40 | 4922923 gallistic
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It kind of reminds me of another hollow statement JFK made directly to the remains of the US proxy force that got their asses handed to them when they invaded Cuba more than 53 years ago.

"I can assure you that this flag will be returned to this brigade in a free Havana."

There is no JFK, no Brigade, and hardly any former members still alive.

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 16:51 | 4922729 ebworthen
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The mouse that roared.

And didn't see the mouse trap, or the Maine Coon Cat.

Fri, 07/04/2014 - 06:24 | 4924207 Volkodav
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Much less the Bear

Cat vs Bear (Russia)



Thu, 07/03/2014 - 16:45 | 4922733 SpanishGoop
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" someone who would work day and night to restore the military capability of the country's armed forces."

He is going to need a lot of duct tape.



Thu, 07/03/2014 - 16:48 | 4922734 _ConanTheLibert...
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That would be crimeanal. Crimea is gone you motherfucker.

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 17:52 | 4922964 TheReplacement
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I think he was referring to the river.  As in, Crimea River.  They have no hope of beating Russia.

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 20:41 | 4923432 NoPantsSpongeBob
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Yeah, sorry, Valery Heletey, but Crimea is no longer part of the Ukraine's "Interior" so none of your concern really.

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 16:49 | 4922741 czarangelus
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I knew that as insane as it sounded, Ukraine would, sooner or later, try to invade Russia for Reasons. Why anyone would knowingly and intentionally stick their neck in a noose is beyond me, but Russia has a lot of experience pounding Nazis and Kiev and Washington DC should check themselves before they get themselves wrecked.

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 17:33 | 4922896 NotApplicable
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Not Ukraine, but rather individuals pretending to be "Ukraine" in exchange for wealth and power.

Aren't collectivist abstractions wonderful?

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 17:54 | 4922970 TheReplacement
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Rectum?  I damn near kill dumb!

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 16:51 | 4922746 Phuk u
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Ukrainians want their own country back no more... and the Crimea, it is vlad

who will not let go of Ukraine. Its got fuck all to do with the US, just you American

commie cunts dont want to see it.


Thu, 07/03/2014 - 17:03 | 4922767 Deathrips
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No No..... Phuk U.


You ride the short bus..your helmets on backwards....its effecting your brain. Putin/Gazprom made a deal for gas with the EU. Their socialist asses cant pay..and they want to take it. Putin says..."FUCK YOU>".

You want freedom in Ukraine your way...take your ass there...its only a 20 hour flight away. Remember to bring your defense scissors, cause they don't let guns, knives or corkscrews on the plane. Remember the TSA are groping you and your families asses for safety.....en route.


Bon Voyage...



Thu, 07/03/2014 - 17:06 | 4922788 Phuk u
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It takes me 3 hours DT and I have been there more times than youve

been pissed, no idea who the TSa are.

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 17:39 | 4922918 Phuk u
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You smell that, smell that !Love the smell of red arrow in the morning.

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 17:56 | 4922980 TheReplacement
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So you can paraphrase an old American movie but you have no idea who the TSA are.... right.

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 19:15 | 4923180 Jack Burton
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Nice catch that was! Is State Department trolls lurking again? Maybe not, but that does not mean they will not show up shortly. We have several regulars who only show up for Ukraine posts and always take Washington's bullet points as fact.

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 21:40 | 4923598 JuliaS
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Few days ago there was an article with 500+ comments in it. Top Gear got in early and managed to derail the entire thread. It was nothing but people calling eachother names for 10 pages. Trolls can't sway the opinion here at ZH, so the best they can do is to drown the discussion in their white noise.

Farting from a safe distance. That's the Ukrainian way.

Fri, 07/04/2014 - 00:42 | 4923961 luftmensch
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yes jackie dear, but we have 25x more like you with their tounges firmly wedged in Putins nether places.

Fri, 07/04/2014 - 00:56 | 4923977 luftmensch
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You and the other 50 or so Putin disinformation specialists are either on Russia's payroll, or you are getting off on supporting the enemies of the countries you live in.  (Or perhaps you're just ZH trolls to get more ad displays?)

Either way, you get all your news from the Kremlin owned RT and their ilk media outlets, and take all their bullet points as fact.

Outside of Russia, we don't generally kill, beat, and jail our journalists, outlaw blogging, or throw 20 year old girls in gulags for singing about politics in churches.  You news sources suck Putin lover boi, every real Ukranian blog around the world is saying the same thing, why is Russia invading our country again?  Free media around the world is pretty much in consensus that Russia is the obvious aggressor and creating a fake pretense for war.  Largely because life in Russia sucks, and a war is a great way to take Russian's minds off what is really going on (massive corruption, bad economy), and get them to feel good about something again (beating people and taking their things).

Fri, 07/04/2014 - 01:21 | 4923992 The_Prisoner
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Dude, substitute USA for Russia in your post and you will be 100% correct.

Here, I'll help you out.

You and the other 50 or so Putin STATE DEPARTMENT disinformation specialists are either on Russia's USA's payroll, or you are getting off on supporting the enemies of the countries you live in.  (Or perhaps you're just ZH trolls to get more ad displays?)

Either way, you get all your news from the Kremlin owned RT jewish-owned media and their ilk media outlets, and take all their bullet points as fact.

Outside of Russia USA, we don't generally kill, beat, and jail our journalists (Ahem, Michael Hastings), outlaw blogging (ZH's servers in Switzerland), or throw 20 year old girls in gulags  (dude, you cannot even buy raw milk and you talk about Russians living in a Gulag?!).  You news sources suck Putin lover boi USA, every real Ukranian blog around the world is saying the same thing, why is Russia invading our country again The USA destabilising countries to create a new cold war Free media around the world is pretty much in consensus that Russia USA is a terrorist state is the obvious aggressor and creating a fake pretense for war.  Largely because life in Russia USA sucks, and a war is a great way to take Russian's AMERICAN's minds off what is really going on (massive corruption, bad economy), and get them to feel good about something again (beating people and taking their things).


Fri, 07/04/2014 - 02:37 | 4924077 luftmensch
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hi prisoner, what an apt name, as I heard Putin has cancelled all your exit visas, so your stuck in Russia for the Winter...

If life in the US sucks, then why do all your oligarch masters move to Western countries, suck your country dry like a straw, send their kids to Eton, and lay on the beach in Cyprus?

There is no concerted effort to attack you and your gang here, its just me having fun fuckin w you. Nobody else cares. They drop in, read your b.s., post like what the fuck is this w all the Putin lovers, and you down-vote them 50 times lol.

Its hilarious really.

Fri, 07/04/2014 - 04:03 | 4924146 The_Prisoner
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You just defeated your own argument.

The olygarchs move to the west because it is the new Babylon.

Do you also LOL when the US drones a wedding party or a bus full of children?

It seems the NSA surveillance means you're the one living in a prison. So LOL about that.

Fri, 07/04/2014 - 13:32 | 4924210 JuliaS
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The oligarchs move here to enjoy maximum profits that the corrupt America will offer. Every country is rotten to the core, but the real money is all here. The American dream is "To get the most..." and you get to fill in the blank.

Fri, 07/04/2014 - 04:28 | 4924162 Volkodav
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You know nothing about Russia.

media dumb you down much?

Fri, 07/04/2014 - 01:30 | 4924003 Urban Redneck
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You appear to be quite the DoD/NSA/MIC wanna-be disinformation specialist yourself.

Copying and pasting the same trite tripe in four month-old threads in four minutes reeks of amateur trolling, while the long dormant account and single focus reeks of paid trolling.

In case you haven't noticed there is a war on... both sides spread disinformation as a matter of practice. Israel (which is seemingly always at war) always does it. We're all adults here, and generally know quite well how to spot your and their trash.

Presenting your pathetic trolling attempts as holier than thou is laughable.

Fri, 07/04/2014 - 02:32 | 4924075 luftmensch
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lol, yes but I'm just a wanna be. You and your gang appear to be trained pros.

There is a war on, and you seem to be actual hired guns/hacks. (Or incredibly stupid Russians who get all your news from RT).

Please don't anyone listen to me, I know fuck-all. However, I know enough to smell the garbage spewing out of your Putin/RT addled mouths ;)

Fri, 07/04/2014 - 02:40 | 4924080 Urban Redneck
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Perhaps you should read more before you write... since I'm obviously not anyone's paid gun (or more accurately long knife) anymore. But since they will still take my calls in Langley and Foggy Bottom, you might to check your compass, since you obviously don't know which way is up.

Fri, 07/04/2014 - 16:30 | 4925340 IronForge
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Nice catch, Mr. Redneck.

Now that we have a clear case of someone who just Trolls w/o any original input, is this a Case where we can petition to Ban User Luftmensch?

Fri, 07/04/2014 - 20:35 | 4925785 luftmensch
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Hey Iron, I respect and appreciate your service to our country.  Why are you defending Putin trying to re-assemble the USSR?

I'm all for people expressing their views here, but it is flagrantly obvious that a flood of hired writers has attacked this site over the past few months spouting the Russian paradigm and attacking anyone taking the other side.


Mon, 07/07/2014 - 20:40 | 4933813 IronForge
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I don't think Mr. Putin is trying to re-assemble the USSR.  He's concerned about prosperity and security for Russia and its Sphere of Influence.

I've seen enough of the New American Century racket manifest itself; and I'm annoyed at the GOVT_US instigating a Regime Change and Ethnic Cleansing/Military Assault on Civilians in the UKR via Brzezinski and Nuland as well as NATO Expansion Eastward when records show for an Aggreement made NOT TO in exchange for DEU Reunification and the End of the Cold War.

Team_RUS has been quite reasonable with their Gas Deals - especially when they've been the ones "sustaining" the UKR Economy and People for a time.  The CoupMongers were gunning for the Russians in Eastern UKR and Crimea from the gitgo.  It's Foul Play; and Team_USA had no right to instigate this in the first place.

That being said, I've been quite impressed with Mr. Putin and his Team during this Comflict.

Fri, 07/04/2014 - 05:40 | 4924195 Phuk u
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TSA, just googled it, I dont take Washingtons bullet points as much as Moscows.

I have a Ukrainian background and have spent a lot of time out there on business

and pleasure including Donetsk and Crimea.

I joined this board to try and work out or glean info on where all the stock

markets were heading instead I find a lot of shit being talked about Ukraine

and its elected parliament. 'Napalm in the morning' isnt the preserve of government trolls, of

which I can assure you I am not.

Fri, 07/04/2014 - 02:27 | 4924073 luftmensch
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Phuku - congrats on the down votes, you're todays winner!  Why can't I get near that number from the Putin Bromancer spam-bots?

Fri, 07/04/2014 - 05:41 | 4924196 Phuk u
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Luft, a little more practise and you will get there. The commies dont like it up em !

Fri, 07/04/2014 - 21:03 | 4925860 luckylogger
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I could only get 35 down arrows from the putin pussy brigade.............

You are good man....

Two thumbs up....

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 16:54 | 4922753 IReallyDontCare
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If you keep poking the Bear you going to get you head bit off.

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 16:56 | 4922761 agent default
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Is that guy retarded?  Serious question.

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 17:05 | 4922784 kowalli
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They all like this guy in Ukr...

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 17:08 | 4922793 Phuk u
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Who me ?

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 17:16 | 4922819 Urban Redneck
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Apparently he is retarded (or he doesn't like leaving a paper trail for his war crimes)

Fri, 07/04/2014 - 04:23 | 4924158 Volkodav
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No, we are temporary Ukrainian government..

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 17:06 | 4922789 Global Hunter
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Somebody tell new interior minister and tactical genius Valeriy Heletey that when most of one's entire armed forces are positioned in the southeastern pocket of Ukraine conducting an ethnic cleaning operation against Russian speakers it would be better practice to NOT antagonize the Russian Federation and alert of them of one's plans ahead of time.

Fucking insane retards.

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 19:17 | 4923183 Jack Burton
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He obviously knows nothing of "Operation Bagration" in 1944 and the total destruction of Germany Amry Group center.

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 17:07 | 4922792 Duc888
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"David Icke's reptilians are looking more and more likely...."


ADL would disagree with you on that.

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 17:34 | 4922903 Phuk u
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Duc, lot of arseholes on this board who do not know how good a

goalkeeper Icke was.

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 17:08 | 4922795 magpie
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My advice to the Ukraine, join the Islamic Caliphate. Makes it less bureaucratic for your masters. And everyone in Europe and the whole world sees what the USA has planned for them, and itself.

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 17:09 | 4922796 btdt
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Where are the trolls?...


Oh. Forgot, half day in warshington today...

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 17:11 | 4922801 pashley1411
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Obama could always offer to turn the Ukraine into a very big golf course; and then he would care.

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 17:22 | 4922851 Phuk u
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there are a few golf courses there Pash but Ukraine is the biggest

country in Europe by land mass. You all knew that of course.

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 19:33 | 4923226 COSMOS
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Really, with Crimea back to being Russian again, I think France is bigger.  But regardless do not forget the portion of Russia that is west of the Urals.

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 17:11 | 4922803 The Phallic Crusader
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I think if a quick google search can yield the guy's home address and vehicles

Spetznaz could swing by his house pretty easily.

Saying shit like this is the sort of thing someone who has improperly assessed the situation says.

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 17:22 | 4922848 gold_pa3ot
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russian slut detected

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 20:21 | 4923362 TungstenBars
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Merican terrorist detected..oh wait that's like millions of you .gov and DOD terrorist fucks. 

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 17:15 | 4922816 Oldrepublic
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New Ukrainian Defence Minister Valeriy Heletey has promised that the army would retake Crimea, restoring the country's territorial integrity.


Addressing parliament in Kiev, he said: "There will be a victory parade... in Ukraine's Sevastopol."

Washington must be writing his speeches

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 17:22 | 4922850 NOZZLE
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Sounds like the same deluded asshole who wrote Bummer of Recovery 2019.

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 18:06 | 4923002 Karl von Bahnhof
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There already WAS the Victory parade, you fascist scumbag!

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 17:18 | 4922829 nosoeawe
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Valeriy Heletey has his head so far up Nulands ass his pointy head chipped the burqua cunt's tooth.

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 17:19 | 4922833 gold_pa3ot
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how many dumb putin lovers here on ZH. fucking amazing.. 

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 17:23 | 4922853 luckylogger
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The putin pussy brigrade....

Fri, 07/04/2014 - 01:19 | 4924010 luckylogger
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I need 55 down arrows to break my record from the putin pussy brigrade.................................

You gys are slacking....................

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 17:43 | 4922937 dogbreath
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Take a look around the world at all the so called leaders.   Each faces different problems and have different perspectives based on local issues.  Many are corrupt opportunist gangsters,  For all the negative things that can be said of Gaddaffi for instance, he will be remembered for the benefits he brought his ass backwards country.  That was an example. 

Putin is a mans man so many simply respect him for that.  I'lll exclude the swooning women,  but men repect strong pragmatic leadership and nobody complains that the glorious leader get rich if the whole people benefit at the same time.   To many world leaders exploit their own people for only their own personal gain or for the select few.   So why should anyone hate Putin because he is the "enemy" "murderer"  "KGB thug"  . 

What are you saying?  we should respect Obumboy or Hollande or the EU commission or Merkel more that Putin.  

Fri, 07/04/2014 - 02:41 | 4924081 luftmensch
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Are you sure Putin's a mans man?  He was in the army right?

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 18:01 | 4922991 TheReplacement
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I am a Putin hater.

I have not read a single 'love Putin' post yet today.

WTF are you talking about?

You must work for DC.  Nothing true or honest is coming out.

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 17:20 | 4922836 CHX
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Sorry, the Krim is gone. For good. The end.

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 17:25 | 4922862 gold_pa3ot
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and another putin bitch here..

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 18:02 | 4922997 TheReplacement
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Barack, VJ called and is looking for you.  Better get back in the playpen fast.  Remember what she did to you the last time you misbehaved.

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 17:26 | 4922867 Phuk u
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Until Krim is back to its autonomous state there will

be war between Ukraine and russia

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 19:35 | 4923233 COSMOS
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He sounds like Obammas speech writer.

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 17:22 | 4922845 luckylogger
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I hope they pull it off, don't seem possible but maybe they will do it...

Maybe they will end up with russias french boats and take it that way....

Never know what twist could come about.......

Good luck Heletey, afreaid your going to need it.......

Kick them ruskies arses.....


Thu, 07/03/2014 - 19:37 | 4923238 COSMOS
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Maybe a Real Log will fall on top of your Head while you are logging onto websites and espousing drivel from your State Dept cubicle.

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 23:37 | 4923856 luckylogger
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Fuk U you piece of shit...........

I am the real deal and a trader and I hate the obummers more than you know 

but our troops are the best and I think they are cool and good...............

I know some of them and they are good....

Unlike the crybaby putin pussies on this blog..........

I may quit reading it...........

Just a commie deal....

Used to be a tradrs blog......

is becoming somewhat of a joke............

Tyler-- Get your head out of your asss...................

Fri, 07/04/2014 - 01:38 | 4924026 tickhound
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WTF??? Who doesn't know a 'good' soldier or marine? Who doesn't have a grandfather or father who manned up? Fucking rookie with his anecdotes.

And WTF does this have to do with Blackrock and Exxon, Halliburton and Lockheed... And their ARMY.

STFU with this bullshit.

Fri, 07/04/2014 - 01:47 | 4924043 luckylogger
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Please tell me why the down arrows.......

I know why on my other posts and that is why I posted them..............

But why on this one? Please explain.......

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 23:30 | 4923843 luckylogger
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A real tree did...

I am lucky logger because I am still alive...

Was paralized for a while but got most of it back....

You ever been palalized from the neck down????

It sure makes you think.................

By the way.....

Fuk U and the horse you came in with..............

Fri, 07/04/2014 - 00:53 | 4923972 luckylogger
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Why the down arrow?

It is hard to come back from total paralisisi.....

you must be an arrogand=t bitch.............

I really want to know why i got the down arrow....

Maybe I am not working hard enough to get my life back..............

Maybe the down arro came from a putin pussy that thinks everything will be givven to him/her when ever they cry....

It don't work that way.............

You gotta work your ass off to get back into the productive world.....

Bets the down arrows came from some pussy that has not have any hard life experiances................

Fri, 07/04/2014 - 06:17 | 4924204 Volkodav
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because you are obnoxious

and quoting one sided mainstream establishment media propaganda



Thu, 07/03/2014 - 17:27 | 4922870 PhilofOz
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The higher up the ladder politicians climb, the higher the percentage of psychopaths that are near the top. Here's another one!

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 17:28 | 4922873 craus
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I work with an old man from Crimea. He told me eastern Ukraine has the factories.
Kiev relies on the eastern factories for the GDP.
Putin wants a 'buffer zone' between NATO and Russia.
The factories and the buffer zone are the driving force for his overtaking eastern Ukraine.
That combined with most of the people in east Ukraine actually support Russia.
They see western Ukraine people taking a free ride on the backs of the east people.
Putin will definitely go to war over this. Don't worry DOW will still goto the moon.

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 18:14 | 4923024 Retuwe
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Huge part of "eastern factories" are unprofitable and subsidized from the goverment.

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 20:47 | 4923459 Volkodav
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You can answer then why the "Red" Mafiya Oligarch owners are billionaires and seriously deploy private armies to defend their interests in these enterprises you claim are unprofitable?



Fri, 07/04/2014 - 03:07 | 4924093 Retuwe
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Sure, I can. Ukrainian government spent billions dollars (official losses in 2013 were 2 billions dollars) to subsidize these enterprises (as a part of relief programme). As example - public utilities must buy coal at the price that much higher than on free market, as opposed to private enterprises which have this coal at the level of producing costs or lower (sure, because of corrupt practices). Additionally, we have such practice as "illegal coal mines" - which volume of production is about of 30% (!!! not 3%, but 30% !!!) of legal volume of production. And sure, illegal enterprises do not pay any taxes. Additionally, the most profitable coal enterprises are private - they were privatized using corrupt practices in Ukraine.

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 17:28 | 4922877 Zabugrom1
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There will be a victory parade - oh yeah, LGBT parade in Kiev. 

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 17:33 | 4922898 Aussie V
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I'm not a Putin lover but hey, when you look at the situation in Ukraine and look at the roles all of these arseholes are playing Vlad is the only guy who stands out with Balls, Brains, and a heart that doesn't want to destroy or inappropriately(it means incorrectly) extort.

So speaking for myself here Vlad is the only true leader in the world today who is trying to not have a war.

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 17:43 | 4922939 Phuk u
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Aussie, I hope I to IV had more capacity. Stop sucking up

to the commie shite.

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 18:15 | 4923028 TheReplacement
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Wow you are really annoying.  All you do is call people names (which I don't really mind) without even the facade of presenting an argument (which I do mind). 

You sound like a paid Pentagon propagandist OFA course.  Do you really think Obama is going to invite you to a sleep over if you troll hard enough?

Fri, 07/04/2014 - 01:10 | 4923998 luftmensch
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haha, these guys are really professional.  Of course, these commie bitches have had a few hundred years to practice the fine art of disinformation.  I just started calling them out as paid Putin hacks, and now they are immediately trying to call anyone with a different views propagandists.

Its just that your pissing in the middle of our blog.  Would you please go behind the trees and piss your spam?  We use this blog, to analyze economics & finance.  You are turning it into your own printing press for your KGB/FSB/Putin/Ruski billionairre oligarch masters.

I almost never posted in ZH until a came across your piles of b.s. strewn throughout all the Ukraine posts.  So just for shits & giggles we are messing with you back, and will continue to call you out.


Thu, 07/03/2014 - 18:51 | 4923121 Advoc8tr
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Pretty sure the V is for "Vendetta" or "Victory" as in the movie or "Anonymous" ... not a roman numeral.  Russia is not communist or Muslim (Shite or Suni ;) and lastly everyone knows our Aussie government is the number 1 sucker upper-er to only the Americans and Brits.


... so many mistakes in lousy 15 word statement.

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 20:23 | 4923371 TungstenBars
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USA is #1 commie country..and #1 faggot country..and #1 pussy soldiers who commit suicide country..#1 pedo country...let me know when to stop with the facts

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 21:02 | 4923509 luckylogger
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The USA solders rock dude.....

They are the best in the world and everybody knows it....

Must be one of the putin pussy brigrade...........

Shit the ruskies take so much "crockadial" and drink so much vodka.............

Think about it.

Our soldiers rock and are the best, bar none !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 21:25 | 4923559 TungstenBars
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google "us soldier suicide epidemic" and feel free to read the many US MSM articles about it...they are cowards and pussies of the highest caliber. Children sent to battle to shit their fucking pants


ALso, not russian. I do however enjoy the fact every time anyone points out that your country is a terrorist plutocratic shithole you assume its russians...guess again. I'll give you a hint: even your perceived friends are sick of the shithole you call your country.

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 23:25 | 4923832 luckylogger
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Fuk U and try going up against our soldiers instead of hiding in some basement somewhere.......
The USA soldiers are the best and we are grateful for them.....
You probably wish yours were as cool, calm and effective as ours are..............
Our politics suk and alot suks but our soldiers are the best!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Fri, 07/04/2014 - 09:51 | 4924438 damicol
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Remind me again,,, which minor little country full of goat herders  with IQ's in the 60's that the US   fucking morons supposedly looking after US interests and  decided to wage against did the fucking US soldiers convincingly beat.


Sorry what was that again ?  ,,, Cant hear you

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 23:26 | 4923835 luckylogger
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Another putin pussy, no doubt.................

Fri, 07/04/2014 - 01:15 | 4924006 luftmensch
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Hi Tungsten, as far as I know, the Russian army is the main one to turn new recruits into gay sex slaves and pimp them out to other soldiers and the public at large.

Please don't get off when you read the story, lol, its tragic really, your oh so gay homophobia.

"Russian soldiers 'used for sex':


Thu, 07/03/2014 - 18:12 | 4923021 TheReplacement
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I disagree with you on him not wanting to destroy or extort.  He has shown plenty of willingness to do both in the past.  Look up some pictures of Grozny during either of the wars.  10s of thousands of civilians were killed by the Russians there.  Look at the oligarchs he's put in prison (and taken their wealth).

He is intelligent.  He only fights when he knows he will win.  He only fights to win.  This puts him far and away as a more beneficial leader than anyone in the west.  He has the trump card if there is no war - fossil fuels.  It only makes sense that he would want to avoid a fight with the west considering he WILL win if there is no war whereas he may well lose if there is one.

However, he still steals from his own people, persecutes Russians who don't go along, and murders anyone he can't get under control.  You do not go from being a KGB colonel to the richest man in Europe and leader of the largest country, by land mass, in the entire world by being a good guy.  More like a good fella.


Thu, 07/03/2014 - 20:58 | 4923497 PhilofOz
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"You do not go from being a KGB colonel to the richest man in Europe"

Based on what evidence? Proof? As far as I see the US Government has been searching high and low for this supposed fortune they claim Putin has so they can put a freeze on yet still it evades them. I call bullshit!!!

Fri, 07/04/2014 - 04:09 | 4924153 Volkodav
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There is no proof

 Same as Litvinenko polonium lies

now the Brits were implicated, and they don't want talk about it anymore.....

"The Phoney Litvinenko Murder" William Dunkerley

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 21:01 | 4923500 NoPantsSpongeBob
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Look at the oligarchs he's put in prison (and taken their wealth).

Oligarchs in Russia more likely than not acquire wealth by stealing national property. I don't get what your problem with Putin's prosecuting them is exactly.

Fri, 07/04/2014 - 01:23 | 4924017 luftmensch
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Look at the oligarchs he's put in prison (and taken their wealth).  

lol, yes, we all now the oligarchs who don't pay off Putin's gang get punished...

If y'all really had balls, you would finish off your oligarchs, and try again to take Russia for it's people.  The vast potential and intelligence of your people is largely wasted due to your system which is 10x more dysfunctional and corrupt than that in the West (which is also fucked in many ways).  

The West has its problems, but we did manage to castrate our kings awhile back.  Looks like you're a few hundred years behind in that phase of evolution. 


Fri, 07/04/2014 - 01:33 | 4924025 The_Prisoner
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You mean Russian oligarchs are worse than western oligarchs?

Rupert Murdoch, Soros, Bill Gates, Kolomoyski, Blankfein are all castrated in your book?

You're getting tiresome. You should ask Nuland to reassign you to the Huffpo forums.

Fri, 07/04/2014 - 04:05 | 4924151 Volkodav
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better worry about your own country

Fri, 07/04/2014 - 20:52 | 4925843 luftmensch
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yes, are you stuttering?  You seem to repeat yourself a lot.  Why don't you worry about your own country?

Thu, 07/03/2014 - 17:41 | 4922928 thamnosma
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Just a bunch of bloviating for internal consumption.  They will not be removing Russia from Crimea.

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