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Ukrainian Journalist: "Let's Borrow From The US Constitution; They're Not Using It Anymore"
Submitted by Simon Black of Sovereign Man blog,
In the fall of 1239 AD, Batu Khan and his Golden Horde were making great progress in their rapid advance into Europe.
The Mongol Empire was in the midst of global conquest, and Batu’s army had been devastating cities across the Russian plain.
He stopped briefly after taking Chernihiv (in northern Ukraine) and sent his cousin Mongke with a vanguard force to probe Kiev, the capital of Kievan Rus.
At the time, Kievan Rus was one of the greatest powers in Europe, forming a loose federation of Slavic principalities that stretched from the Black Sea to the White Sea.
Kiev had been founded nearly eight centuries before, and by 1239 it was a grand capital with some 50,000 inhabitants. Mongke was quite taken with it. And, not wanting to destroy it, he sent an emissary to discuss terms for their surrender.
Apparently Kiev’s Prince Mikhail had just watched the movie 300… because he put the Mongol emissary to death.
Now, if I could paraphrase the Princess Bride, history gives us a couple of very clear rules– (1) Never get involved in a land war in Asia; and (2) Never go in against a Sicilian when death is on the line.
But only slightly less well-known is this: (3) Never slight a guy named Batu Khan, especially when his army is called the ‘Golden Horde’.
Batu responded to Mikhail’s poor manners by laying waste to the city. Martin Dimnik’s work “The Dynasty of Chernigov” describes the carnage in gruesome detail, saying that people “drowned in a pool of blood.”
To their credit, though, the Kievans fought bravely. They lacked the Mongolian weaponry and tactics, but they fought with sticks and knives… hand to hand, house to house, man to man.
Resistance is in their DNA. So it’s no surprise that, several centuries later, people were out in the streets fighting against their own government. Sticks and knives, once again, againt tanks and automatic weapons.
This time they won. Sort of.
Every 10-15 years this place has a major revolution. And each time it’s precipitated by one basic principle: money.
All people really want is to be in a place where they can improve their lives… where their children can have a brighter future than they did.
The system in Ukraine did not provide those conditions. It was designed for a tiny political and banking elite to enrich themselves at the expense of everyone else.
This revolution was borne from economic frustration, plain and simple.
Yet each time this happened in the past, all they really did was change the players… not the game. They just ended up with a different set of criminals in charge.
This time around there seems to be serious effort to at least change the rules.
Many are talking about major revisions to the Constitution (leading one local journalist to ask– “Why don’t we use the American Constitution? It was written by really smart guys, it has worked for over 200 years, and they’re not using it anymore…”)
He’s right. Much of the West, in fact, has descended into the same extractive system as Ukraine.
There’s a tiny elite showering itself with free money and political favors at the expense of everyone else.
Dow 17,000 means that a handful of people at the top are making boatloads of money thanks to quantitative easing, some upper-middle class are doing fairly well, and the average guy pays higher prices for food, fuel, education, medical care, etc.
It’s not just the US. France, for example, is simply not a place where you can work hard and expect to improve your life anymore. In Greece and Spain, half of the nations’ young men are broke and unemployed.
And along they way, they have all set aside civil liberties and turned into vast police states.
Ukraine may be in the midst of turmoil right now, but they at least hit the big giant reset button and are looking to build something new.
The West, meanwhile, continues down its path of more debt, more money printing, more regulations, and less freedom. How long can this really go on without consequence?
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Please do, it is our gift to the world. Yes, some Americans have grown soft, fat, and stupid. But not all of us.
It won't matter to the Ukraine if they adopt the US constitution model since their elites will make certain that they continue to screw the population. Besides, the country will crumble within the next two years.
This is why the world is switching to cryptocurrency, they can't print it, we can.
I miss Fonestar....he was pure entertainment....but until he is reborn here at ZH perhaps you can sit in his place?
ps.
Please come back Fonestar we miss you and hearing about your Japo hero, Satoshi-kutsu (or some other dude you worshipped)!!!
yes, I'm sorry for every jibe I made about fonestars tiny bits....I mean Bitcoins.
If you use it, just be sure to take out the 17th Amendment.. that’s the one that took the States out of United States and handed it over to the oligarchs.
14th and 15th as well. Coercively imposed on the conquered South as a pre-condition to participation in "representative" government after War to Suppress Southern Independence.
!6th also.
And article 1, section 8 as well. The most immoral combination, a recipe for total loss of freedom is the 16th amendment + article 1, section 8.
So let's summarize....the 14th amendment, 15th amendment, 16th amendment, 17th amendment and article 1, section 8. A ton of parliamentary language about what the government can, shall and must do. 95% of the US constitution is devoted to that. My suggestion, don't use anything except the first ten amendments. And if push comes to shove you can get by quite well with the first eight. That's all you need.
"designed for a tiny political and banking elite to enrich themselves at the expense of everyone else"
Check out the President, Prime Minister and main regional Governors in Ukraine and it becomes obvious who these people are. Hint: Some are dual citizens.
Ya gotta say he really did like those little "bits" of his a whole lot
Fonestar is currently busy riding a GOAT...
Nooo, not again???
Its a useless piece of paper as long as they have a private federal reserve bank system run by networked individuals.
Congress gave away its "to coin Money, and regulate the value thereof," granted in the Constitution. Power always corrupts. The power to coin money and its value must be taken back. The gifts of money whether by printing or government expenditures can be ended. The same stupidity in the USA exists in the Ukraine. The common delusion of mankind is that there will be an honest banker, a good king, a good president or honest legislators.
Congress bent over for the fed
&
the fed did not bother to use any lube
stupid should be painfull
& the fed knows this
our congress is full of balless wonders
An illusion as many Americans think they have a working democracy and their vote actually means something. What they have is a kleptocracy, plutocracy, corptocracy, kakistocracy, etc. I like Kakistocracy - government by the worst of men (and women).
Nothing can model the making of our Constitution, it was earned not handed to us. The US Constitution will only be restored with the blood of our patriots and the death of our tyrants. That's the price to pay bitchez.
Pretty sure that line was from Larry the cable guy
Trouble is, the politicians and their rich friends are the ones who control the United States like an army of occupation. These guys are anything but stupid. As for the Constitution, the Bill of Rights is dead thanks to judges like Chief Justice Roberts, judges with Gestapo mentalities. The Carlyle Group, a giant Wall Street hedge fund, owns Booz Allen Hamilton, the company with the NSA contracts that Snowden worked for. In other words, the USA is run like a fascist enterprise, where if, like Conrad Black, you run afoul of corporate insiders, you wind wind up in prison on trumped up charges and the looters can go on their merry way. When Bill Clinton, whom I despise, said that he "hates than man Obama more than any man in the world," I found common ground with him. The same Obama who has made a mockery of the Constitution by claiming he as President is above the law, that he has the right to kill anyone anywhere. No surprise there, he is a creation of the CIA and NSA, a Frankenstein monster.
The modern GOP is so liberal, it makes Bill Clilnton look conservative.
Memo to the Ukranian people regarding the constitution from someone who helped write it:
“A mere demarcation on parchment of the constitutional limits (of government) is not a sufficient guard against those encroachments which lead to a tyrannical concentration of all the powers of government in the same hands.” - James Madison, Federalist Paper #48, 1788.
In other words, don't just depend on a piece of paper to protect your freedoms. It takes real work to stay free.
Amerika is a joke. Idiots drooling in front of TV and Hollywood's shit. I bet 70% of the posters here still watch TV like dumb sheep. The Military are cowards and The Pentagon has sold out the American people. They are scum. People are fools if they let their kids join the military. Go die for the banksters idiots.
Sheppards eons ago quickly learned that sheep never "baaa" at the slaughterhouse if they are fed plenty of nutritionless clover beforehand to be keep them both stupid and distracted.
But what happens when the clover-cards don't work?
Ideal document for a bunch of facists that want to set up a totalitarian state.
Yes, most Americans have grown soft, fat, and stupid.
Fixed.
"I am not soft, fat,... Ooohhh! iGadget!"
I think they can look forward to more creative destruction before they have any real chance of building something new.
http://rt.com/news/170572-rand-east-ukraine-plan/
http://english.pravda.ru/world/americas/04-07-2014/127965-message_slavya...
Amerika is a joke. Idiots drooling in front of TV and Hollywood's shit. I bet 70% of the posters here still watch TV like dumb sheep. The Military are cowards and The Pentagon has sold out the American people. They are scum. People are fools if they let their kids join the military. Go die for the banksters idiots.
Spot on ^^^^^^^^^^^
cue Dancing with the stars & other bread & circus'es
let the games continue
&
the sheeple fiddle while Amerika
burns
Obama golfs while America burns.
Cobbled together Shite
WTF, really. Really?
"We the People" may not actually be using 'our' Constitution at the moment, but we still love the symbolism.
<We love to love ourselves.>
I'm not sure you understand the level of disenchantment between true believers and those who love to love themselves.
True believers of what? Honest question. I'm not sure I understand what "belief" you are talling about.
Is thia the version the Founding Fathers wrote or the one the NSA won't let us see because it endangers our national security?
Rhetorical question? lol.
Ukrainian Journalist: "Let's Borrow From The US Constitution; They're Not Using It Anymore"
Damn, that's brutal. 100% true but brutal.
A classic line
If you delete that redundant "From".
Lee Camp in one of his introductions to Redacted Tonight hit the gun nut argument right on it's head when he said that all the rights you'd want to defend with a gun have been systematically taken away.
It's really a shame other people have noticed.
Now I understand the embarrassment that old couple who lived in the outskirts of town felt when they found out their 5 grandkids were running a stolen car chopshop out of the old barn on their property.
"If I paid more attention to what those kids were up to, I'd have put a stop to it a long time ago."
Perhaps the, Brutal Truth, is all you have left?
The Federalist Papers are the finest political documents in human history.
The Constitition - maybe not so much. Certainly too much power in the Supreme Court. Term limits for SCOTUS and all offices. Maybe need to specify remedies for certain transgressions - and impeachment should be much closer to removal automatically. Might even want to forbid the formation of anything like the Fed.
Go ahead and use it Ukraine, but please be ready to lend it back to us when we're ready.
The Anti-Federalist writings are the finest political documents in human history.
Fixed that for you.
Nice article, except this time around it is not the people of Ukraine/Rus who fought for the "freedom and democracy". It was $5billion taken from the US taxpayers that Victoria Nuland, together with some other Zio-Nazi reptiles, generously spent in Kiev for the latest fake revolution. This country is gone! It belongs to IMF, to Jo Biden's son and some other shady CIA operatives.
SO true CoD they are a walking corpse
Somewhat OT. Rand Corporation memo detailing Kiev military strategy. They deny it of course. As someone stated, "Porky's" job is to translate instructions from English to Ukranian.
(h/t Saker comment section.)
https://www.dropbox.com/s/2k9k8r5ec2exfus/Rand1L.jpg
https://www.dropbox.com/s/3wsvimr2hvi3c9h/Rand%202L.jpg
" ... International media staff working in the region shall be subject to a special procedure ..."
"... The uses of non-conventional arms shall not be ruled out in certain cases ..."
"... Infantry shall move in next to relocate male adults into internment camps. Anyone who attempts to resist shall be executed on the spot ..."
" ... the area of the anti-terrorist (sic) campaign shall be made off limits to foreign media ..."
That rand document smells like fake BS to me. It just wraps up the action against eastern Ukraine a little too conveniently.
Apparently the residents of Kiev are unaware of the assortment of nazis, goons and mercenaries commiting war crimes in their name.
Let's see: in Syria rebels = good, but in Ukraine, rebels = bad. But if the Syrian rebels cross the border, then they're bad. Unless they are 'moderate' terrorists.Then they might be good, and we need to help them out.
You need a libretto to keep all this straight. Or maybe just read the NYT like Simon does..
>>>That rand document smells like fake BS to me.
Agree. I'm basically pro-Russia and pro-Putin, but the Russians are not virgins when it comes to disinformation campaigns, false-flags and all the other goodies of Modern Statesmanship.
False dichotomy much?
On the other hand...
This is exactly what the Rand Corp. was set up to do.
Write policy for implementation.
A CFR for the Shadow Govt.
Good to see people becoming aware she was perhaps a double-agent.
It did work for 200 years, good ideas never die, but the rotten bastards who subverted those ideas should die. I've had it with a country that dishonors it borders, the fundamental rights of its citizens and fornicates with nazis in Kiev. Im leaving for Serbia on Sunday for a month, part vacation in Montenegro, part exploration of Serbia as a place to start a business. I will obtain citizenship while there based on my having married a woman from there 13 years ago. What kind of business, feeder to butcher shop beef including Kosher to fill the demand from all the embassies and foreigners pouring into the place. I love the people from Serbia, friendly, hard workers, always ready to greet a stranger, always eager to invite you for coffee.
"It did work for 200 years"
Tell that to all the people who were killed by or had their lives destroyed by the US government.
All governments are evil, and the people who idolize it are too.
"All governments are evil, and the people who idolize it are too."
Maybe, but then you will have to explain how come no society, no civilization has ever worked without some sort of organization and, yes, leaders. Not even hunter-gatherer tribes have managed to do without. Maybe it's down to the fact we're social animals who can't do without each other, hence without social rules that bind us together. Which always lead to laws, taboos, councils of the elders (leaders), whatever it takes for the group to be functional.
The matter rests on having the best government we can, not on the "no governement" (anarchy) fallacy. Personnally, I see nothing wrong with democracy - the government of the people, by the people, for the people.
Those who think we can do without some sort of government are fools. Unless they individually go naked and on all four to graze grass, I don't see how they can do without others. Hence, without a common set of ethical rules to make social life possible, and some sort of enforcement aimed at the unfortunately inevitable criminal fringe who doesn't get them (i.e, laws that apply to all).
Try and form a governmentless society and you will see why.
Most everyone is hard-wired to believe they need government and those dupes are used to kill and enslave those who wish to be free.
The same behavior in regards to religious beliefs. Fortunately, mankind has a better handle on that now.
Simon Black you are a tone deaf asshat and you proved it once again. Ukraine has been putsched by the thieves of the thieves in Ukraine and the West have enthroned them so they can finish the job this time.
We're talking the worst criminals of the entire planet in charge of that country right now. Check out this video to get some real education:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_0zMSyGjTQ&feature=youtu.be
Based on what my friends in Ukraine are telling me, the so called legislature banned political speech and assembly that does not conform to what Porkshanko'$ handlers are in favor of.
Ukraine is America 10 - 15 years from now, taken over by neo-nazi mafia-like thugs 10 times worse than the present administration.
Your kids have no future here. Free speech gone, taxed to death, shot on sight if they have guns, etc, etc.
But no, it's not time for a revolution, things aren't bad enough yet.
Nice Article. Rule number (4) when you smell blood don't let up, KEEEEL. Kill everybody TWICE.
If you decide to follow this up Amurika keeping the pressure on this shower of shit administration and banking infidels then maybe , just maybe, you can have Edward Snowden home for Christmas.
The US constitution is great but flawed (as otherwise everything wouldn't be such a mess)
I'd say the three biggest flaws are
1) Not taking into account television / mass media and its ability to distort politics by distorting people's perception of reality (unforeseeable)
2) Mass immigration (not exactly unforeseeable but difficult to see the future scale)
3) Political judges - the original constitution seems to assume judges will be an impartial bulwark when in fact judicial activism have been the prime cause of the constitution's demise (foreseeable)
So if Ukrainians want to copy the US constitution they should fix those flaws
- strict ban on excessive concentration of the media
- minimum levels of cohesive citizenship e.g. minimum number of citizens who must have 3 or 4 grandparent citizens
- elected judges and tiered so the higher tiers always have past decisions to be viewed
The US Constitution did not meet the needs of TPTB and so it was overtly destroyed with amendments. Direct election of senators and the income tax pretty much spelled doom. You mention judges, but the big flaw in Constitutional law is having the Supreme Court decide constitutionality - they carved that out not too many years after the Constitution was drawn up.
The price of freedom is eternal vigilance.
(we haven't been. we got distracted somewhere along the way)
Any system is as good as the people maintaining it.
Exactly so.
People prefer their 'truth' about a problem with a finger of blame pointing outward.
A re-set for the Ukrainian people is not even on the radar right now. How can a country that experiences a so called reset every 10 years be equipped to make a permanent change to their political system? The Oligarchs have succeeded, not unlike their rulers of the past, to continually tear the Ukrainian fabric of freedom too shreads. But I am sure that "things are different this time".
Forget the American Constitution, representative democracy does not work. Consider the Swiss model, Direct Democracy.
Totally agree. Direct Democracy is the answer,
So, if a small number of citizens decided Lea had too much wealth (for just one example) and succeeded in getting that nonsense on a referendum and persuaded 51% of voters that you did have too much (relative to them), you'd be cool with ponying up whatever amount they demanded of you...to the state?
How about slavery, if 51% decided they didn't want to work as hard as they do (even though the work being done is necessary) and voted to "import labor", that would be fine too?
The truth of the matter you have democracy right now. We do not have any semblance of "law" here, just the ever changing whims & fancies of an easily led and manipulated population.
without the real free media it's just another pipe dream as most of the people in the world are dumber than a box of rocks who can't think independently even when they are fully informed
Direct Democracy is a good solution to some things, but it cannot replace a strong Constitution which a system of democracy operates under. And there *must* be many things which the elected government has no power to meddle in. The government's 'roles & responsibilities' would be spelt out in the Constitution and "if it ain't on the list, it's not their business".
it wasn't enough for the usa maggots to screw up america, they had to go and screw up the whole world. ukraine is a prime example of we should just stfu and stay out of it completely. i hate all sides of that conflict in particular. fuck em, we have bigger (read: our own) maggots to fry. until we do that the usa is worse than useless.
Ouch. That's gotta hurt.
The US is comprised of fat and revolting individual lumps of breathing, shitting flesh. Stop feeding them and they will revolt like M'Fers the world has never known.
Our current gov't isn't done crapping on it yet...
USA! USA! USA!
"in the paws of homosexual lap dogs"
Lol.
Doesn't sound like a good place to be.
You might want some help...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rx_lTgUSyB4
Edit: Aww you took out the funny stuff.
Another way of looking at it is that elections are merely a way to overthrow corrupt regimes that need to be ousted. When enough people realize that they were duped by the press and the kleptocrats begin taking freedoms you take for granted in order to maintain their financial and economic control there is the option of changing the system by elections. Failing that the back-up system is the right to bear arms. Nothing will ever stop corruption as fast as a loaded firearm. It is the final decision when rule of law has been completely abandoned and I fear we may be approaching that point. The Lois Lerner thing is just ridiculous and the ramifications of it leading to a stolen presidential election through intimidation are enormous. I think we're in for a ride.
Lois Lerner - ha. Take another look at 2000.
Stalin was unfortunately very right - particularly when the Kangaroo Kourt in Washington counted the votes based on "technicality."
The U.S. has a shameful record of collaboration with the globalist demon cats.
So does Ukraine.
Since no person is a country, what was your point?
There are people in the USA, Russia, and Ukraine who are working to get rid of corruption and bring democracy back to the people. It is a movement against the insiders, against those who make decisions based on bribes, against the influence of corporate power.
This is all part of a POPULIST wave crossing the globe in response to the grotesque unfairness and wealth inequality experienced across the globe.
In the context of this movement, 22winmag, your comment seems ignorant and pointless.
Last of the mid..."When enough people realize that they were duped by the press and the kleptocrats begin taking freedoms you take for granted in order to maintain their financial and economic control there is the option of changing the system by elections"
ORLY? (insert surprised cat face here).
What a disappointment. First the silly non contextual history "lesson" that turns out to be one long non sequiter and then we get a meaningless, albeit humorous, reference to the US Constitution "not be used anymore".
If the author had taken an hour to acquaint himself with the fight in the USA to stop money in politics then he might have actually had a point to make. And what of Ukraine? How are they addressing corruption and money in politics? I really wanted to know. Couldn't the author have given it a try?
Meanwhile, here is something from the USA struggle:
480-Mile California March for Democracy Demands an End to Big Money Corruption in Politics | Fresno Community Alliance POSTED BY CURT RIES 797.20K ON JULY 01, 2014 http://www.marchfordemocracy.org/480_mile_california_march_for_democracy... The struggle to say that Money is not speech and that CORPORATIONS are not people is underway, now, TODAY! The main adversary are five MEMBERS of the SCOTUS and the dozens of big comapnies that they are providing cover for. help out. do it now.Sinners after my own heart, tell everyone to fuck themselves.
I don't believe you, the force is too strong with this one.
Repeat but what the hell
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jPLXF-lWOQ&sns=em
Go ahead shoot, you'll just piss me off like mongo.
I could read that over and over all week!!!
That's why I love coming to Zero Hedge....
To get the damn Truth!
Throw these damn Federal Reserve Maggots and their Wall St Conspirators in Prison and Execute their asses one by one!
Really? You think the problem is just the federal reserve?
Time to start paying attention, bub.
The only ray of hope I see is what happened in an Italian election a couple of years ago. A populist candidate pulled the most votes with very little money. He traveled around to rallies and put speeches on the net. He did get more votes than the others but it was a 3 way split and he didn't have a majority. He couldn't form a coalition with either of the major parties. The last time we had an outsider try it was Ross Perot. It's a shame he didn't win. But the point is we need to keep the internet free and open.
Ukrain is now importing western goods = growth
No one is saying that.
Growth = Exports to Russia and the EU and the World.
Prosperity = Growth = uncorrupted Democracy
"Let's Borrow From The US Constitution; They're Not Using It Anymore"Is there anything left to loan? Bush threw most of it in the trash while he was in office and Obama ran what was left through the shredder when he took over.