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...a not so far off future in which martial law, economic collapse, and the destruction of civil liberties stood imminent...

Source: Cagle

As Brandon Smith wrote,

"Regardless of what they might say about us in the future, these are the reasons why we will fight, and our pledges to resist are not empty assertions.  We will stop the course of tyranny from completing in this country and in this era, one way or another.  If this makes us “extremists”, or “terrorists”, then so be it.  I, for one, am tired of the long running game of lies and reserved rhetoric.  They know a fight is coming, and we know a fight is coming.  Let’s just admit it and be done with it.

 

Their greatest weakness is that they have to use deceit, propaganda, media monopoly, and false flag violence in order to convince the public that they are the “right side”.  All we have to do is continue telling the truth, and stand fast…"

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Sat, 07/05/2014 - 22:04 | 4927953 JLee2027
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Bullshit.

They won't have the money, and you cannot control the masses when you just terminated their EBT cards. 

Expect a short, intense, bloodbath with pols, bankers, judges, and enablers/collaborators hanging from every tree. Then we can rebuild.

Sat, 07/05/2014 - 22:26 | 4928016 junction
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Huh? Rebuild with what, the cupboard is bare, the hedge funds fronting for the New World Order have looted the world.  Have you ever looked around, people won't even fight a bogus parking ticket anymore.  Government agents plant explosives in the Oklahoma City federal building and in the World Trade Center and get away with killing loads of people.  The victims are only Americans, they don't count.  And you spout nonsense about "bloodbaths."  You are very boring, Mr. JLee.

Sat, 07/05/2014 - 22:49 | 4928031 SMG
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I don't know how  the Luciferian NWO plan of Global Genocide and Enslavement (TM) is going to turn out.  I do know that no matter what I am going out swinging.

Live free or die.  It's a win-win.

 

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 00:13 | 4928220 Chuck Walla
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I came into this world kicking and screaming and covered in someone else's blood, and I have no problem going out that way.

FORWARD SOVIET!

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 09:18 | 4928682 soontobeblocked
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"I came into this world kicking and screaming and covered in someone else's blood, and I have no problem going out that way."

Blah blah blah.  I have read the same thing every day for the last 5 years here at ZH, and I'm quite certain that the same blather was posted before I first began visiting this site.

A glaring problem with your (the collective 'your') posts:

You will not react in kind to a brutal beating or a massive usurpation of your rights because there has been no obvious beating or usurpation.  <See boiling frog>. 

When is the last time you swung at anything?  When is the last time you spilled a microlitre of blood?  The thugs in your streets find their tipping points and they take action but against the wrong targets.  They take action because they have little to lose.  You idiots will follow suit and will do nothing except blather until you too have nothing left to lose.  Bravo!  Brilliant plan!  Wait until all is lost and then get your ass off of your couches.  Bravo.

As long as you have your "bag of Cheetohs" and your "50 in tv", you won't do jack shit except to TALK about what you will do.  You don't even plan for what to do after your Cheetos and tv are gone, but you're certain that you will do something (but of course not until everyone else does something too).  You collectively (and individually) have done NOTHING.  TPTB quake in the boots as they read your false bravado while they simultaneously continue to piss on you and continue to steal your spirit and soul.

That is the problem with fat lazy (literally and intellectually and spiritually) Americans in a nutshell.  Guy Fawkes, John Galt, etc do NOT live in America...they live only in your hollow rhetoric.  You are a nation of lemmings.  I am certain, however, that as soon as the battle is near won you will all jump on the bandwagon that was forged with the blood of true heroes.  Worthless pieces of shit.

Go ahead and down arrow me.  You know what I say is true, and your down arrows are little more than extensions of your false bravado.  Enjoy your Independence weekend.

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 09:20 | 4928688 elephant
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ouch

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 09:34 | 4928703 hedgeless_horseman
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He was a newcomer. He was unused to the hard life of the zeks. Though he didn't know it, moments like this were particularly important to him, for they were transforming him from an eager, confident naval officer with a ringing voice into an inert, though wary, zek. And only in that inertness lay the chance of surviving the twenty-five years of imprisonment he'd been sentenced to." pg. 65

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Day_in_the_Life_of_Ivan_Denisovich

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 12:28 | 4929086 DirtyWilly
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There will be no collapse in a controlled country, why do you think the markets keep defying logic?  This isn't a dumb luck...

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 09:51 | 4928732 shovelhead
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Pass me the Cheetos, will ya?

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 09:58 | 4928747 AllWorkedUp
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soontobeblocked - can't disagree with much of what you said. Most of us are still at the point where we have too much to lose yet. Although you can look at the Bundy Ranch and see the extent to which some are ready to go.

A mini-test case perhaps?

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 10:52 | 4928870 soontobeblocked
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"Most of us are still at the point where we have too much to lose yet"

May I amend that to:

'Most of us think that we are still at the point where we have too much to lose.'  Un fait accompli.

All hail the triumph of bread and circuses! 

When the bread runs out perhaps boiling frog will be on the menu.  

A violent reaction to the incremental erosion of life, dignity, goods, and soul will be looked upon by the public with horror, and that alone dissuades nearly every would-be patriot.  The Ministry of Truth portrays it such that no other public opinion is possible. 

We see that unfold every day worldwide, yet we are fooled again and again.  Would you want to bequeath your children your tarnished name?   Disproportionate response can be executed, er, um, exercised only by TPTB (who care not what you think of them), and public response to that is what?

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 14:19 | 4929331 Nick Jihad
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I think that we need to study the Soviet collapse, the velvet revolution in Hungary, the East German collapse, to see the best way forward. The first question is "are we there yet?", and I don't think so. I don't think you can compare the distcontent, or oppression, that is current in the US to those societies.

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 10:46 | 4928864 SubjectivObject
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Oh great, let's throw the proverbial babies out with the prevalent bath water.  That certainly works and helps to ... give soontobeblocked that needed self rightness confidence. 

Whatever resistance is mounted will have to come from many conflicted origins, because, we are the coddled US populace after all.  What ever resistance is mounted will have to risk real capital, because they have organized for years, were paid by us to support themselves while organizing against us for years, and everything a resistance may start must be done on the margin, the margin of time, money, support, understanding ...social sentiment? ....

So, I think that your particular form of unthinking selfrightness is shallow and disingenuous and finally serves only to keep realization and motivation that may finally inform resistance to the status quo down.  Which, curiously, would seem to be exactly the kind of psyop that would be sent to infect such as ZH.

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 14:45 | 4929384 Nick Jihad
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How do you throw Guy Fawkes and John Galt into the same bucket?  If you want Fawkes to illustrate the uselessness of random vlolence, then I am with you so far. But Galt is the antithesis of this. Galt recognizes that this is a war of ideas, and to win such a fight, you have to show people a better way. The East-European revolutions against Soviet communism illustrate this. They were successful, because the people were not simply tired of Communism, they wanted to be part of the West, with cars, blue-jeans, pop-music, free markets and social democracy.

Galt is an attempt to put forth a competing ideal, so that people have something, not just to rebel against, but something to rebel for. What does Galt advocate?  Non-coercion, firstly - the principle that in all of your dealings, exchanges must be voluntary to be moral. Second, that the way to respond to systemic coercion is non-cooperation. Non-cooperation was an important factor in the downfall of the Soviet economy.

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 17:40 | 4929783 Bingo Hammer
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Hmm, I think in the end that no matter how great and violent a public uprising should manifest that the most likely scenario is a that a real nasty virus will be released (domestically and internationally) that will wipeout countless numbers of the population.

Further only a very select and Cabal dedicated number of the military will be saved/retained and the rest will be subject to the same virus.

The D.U.M.B.'s and the D.U-W.M.B.s will be fully occupied by the elites of all persuasion.

6 months to a year later they can emerge to there bright, decluttered and horde-free NWO 

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 00:49 | 4928272 Carpenter1
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Still waiting for my marching orders. Millions like me ready to heed the call when it comes. I won't need taking care of, bring my own food, drink, gear, weapons,  and lust for status quo blood. 

 

 

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 04:02 | 4928435 SF beatnik
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Geez. I wish you guys would just chill the fuck out. 

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 06:16 | 4928513 atthelake
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We're not here to chill.

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 07:05 | 4928543 Headbanger
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Don't forget to bring toilet paper too.

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 09:26 | 4928694 soontobeblocked
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"Still waiting for my marching orders. Millions like me ready to heed the call when it comes."

Lazy deluded coward.  You wouldn't recognize the call if the bugle was in your fucking ear.  You hear it every day.  Here's an apparently novel question:

"Who will issue those marching orders?"  Are you waiting for a permit?

You are correct.  "Millions like you".  Pathetic.  Even if you heard the call you would find excuse: "Gee fellas, I'd like to help, but I, uh, need to cut the grass."  You disgust me.

 

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 09:41 | 4928711 SuperRay
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So do something right now, dude, to begin the revolution. I've been down to the museum, passing out AE911 flyers, trying to wake people up.  I'm a combat veteran, and i've been to VFW halls and American Legions, trying to wake people up.  It's like trying to shake awake a sleepwalker. I've shown videos to my local councilmen, trying to convince them, with uncertain results.

I'm convinced now that it has to happen at the community level.  The nullification movement is the only way to go after them.  Imagine if the NSA central computer center were deprived of water and electricity.  That could happen if the state refused to provide the energy.  Individuals aren't going to be able to do much (they'll be swatted like flies).  It has to come from already-sanctioned parts of the political structure that are taken over by the 911 truth movement.  What are you doing to make that happen?

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 10:13 | 4928779 Curt W
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The new facility in Salt Lake City has its own Water treatment plant and power station, but certainly could be isolated from the grid.

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 15:28 | 4929466 TuPhat
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Curt,  You have to have a supply of water to treat it.  They get that from the nearest city water supply.  Don't remember the name of it though.

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 10:37 | 4928835 gatorboat
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You aren't doing anything to make it happen either.  "trying to wake people up" never has worked and never will work. 

You do it because it makes you feel good.  Makes you feel like you're doing something when you're doing jack shit. 

Americans haven't done one single thing against the full-on tyranny coming from this govt.  Not one single thing.

 

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 11:10 | 4928914 Conax
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This guy took on the local gov, he lost, but it was epic.

http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_25896530/bulldozer-revenge-carefully-p...

 Bulldozahman has all my respect.  ;)

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 14:35 | 4929360 SuperRay
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Are you serious? that guy seriously needed medication.  Maybe they mistreated him, but that old testament style crap makes no sense

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 11:11 | 4928915 SuperRay
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So tell me what to do.  I'm grasping at straws here, desperate to make something happen.  Tell me one single thing to do

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 13:40 | 4928951 gatorboat
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Why ask me? 

Go ask the "take America back" types here.  Surely they know how they'll do it.   Surely they know how they'll make bankers hang from lamp posts. 

Go ask JLee2027 who said "Expect a short, intense, bloodbath with pols, bankers, judges, and enablers/collaborators hanging from every tree."  Surely he knows how it will happen.

I think he's full of shit like all the other "take America back" types here.  They have no idea how they would do it.

Combat vet?  How many innocent foreigners did you help this rogue govt kill?

America hasn't been involved in a legitimate war since WWII.  Every one has been regime change, stealing resources, genocide, like Afghanistan where US military protects CIA heroin operation, biggest heroin operation on the planet.

American combat vet?  Not something I would be proud of.

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 14:23 | 4929337 Overfed
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Correction, the US hasn't been involved in a legitimate war since the civil war, and it was on the wrong side in that one.

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 15:30 | 4929474 TuPhat
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Exactly right.

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 00:40 | 4929758 jaxville
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A few things to keep in mind ....

 

  It only takes a relatively small segment of the population to overthrow an established order. I don't believe the participation rate of the American revolution exceeded 15%. This minority was able to ultimately defeat the world's most powerful army and attain a measure of independence.

 

 The general public will not awaken to the reality of things until some event creates the necessary cognitive dissonance that has them questioning all their assumptions. An economic issue is sure to surface soon but the establishment may use it to consolidate power by assigning blame elsewhere such as the cost of war. I think the catalyst will be a social issue such as illegal immigrants or a gov't slaughter of a protest movement.

 

 

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 09:54 | 4928740 shovelhead
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While he munches his Cheetos...

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 09:49 | 4928722 GeorgeHayduke
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Waiting for marching orders? Orders? From whom? Aren't ALL of you guys independent thinkers and movers who take orders from no one and act only in your own self interest? Who will be making these orders?

Once again, this is my problem with right wingers: the endless need for a hierarchy and some "authority" to make the big decisions, yet this kind of authority system is what you endlessly rail against on here. You guys are so confused when it comes to reality.

I've read these kinds of lines on ZH for years now and all are still waiting for their "marching orders". Cliven Bundy offered some hope, but that whole fiasco lasted about one, one hundredth as long as Occupy did and nothing happened. I guess nobody gave the marching orders, or maybe Bundy did, but  nobody knew that he did due to his convoluted message, inability to speak, and appearance of being out of touch with reality.

Let's look at this realistically, both parties have given away the country to corporations for decades now (since Reagan at a minimum), we've been involved in fake wars that do nothing but profit corporations for decades now, NSA spying is rampant, we've given trillions of dollars in taxpayer funded bailouts to private interests doing the usual privatized profits and socialized costs for the wealthy, the pentagon cannot account for billions of dollars that have gone missing, our police have slowly become more militarized and kill innocent people on a regular basis, etc... and still you wait for marching orders.... and wait....and wait....

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 12:55 | 4929128 sylviasays
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"Let's look at this realistically, both parties have given away the country to corporations for decades now (since Reagan at a minimum)."

You seemed to have forgotten about the robber barons of the 19th century who held great industrial monopolies and unprecedented wealth. Meanwhile children worked in factores and whole regions of the country were stuck in poverty after the Civil War.

You probably went to public school in the United States where American history has been banished in favor of ethnic studies and diversity training? 



Sun, 07/06/2014 - 19:58 | 4930136 GeorgeHayduke
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Sorry, I didn't want to do a complete historical analysis of the history of the North American continent. I tried to stick to the years during which I have been of voting age and considered an adult.I did go to public schools many years ago, I also went to 6 years of college, so I've been brainwashed by things like science, math, literature and other topics beyond the bible and the constitution. You busted me and my awful ignorance. Anyway, that was a nice attempt to discredit what I mentioned by not being all inclusive of the last several centuries.

BTW, if I do remember my history correctly, it was anarchists of the time who lead the way against the robber barons and many of the other injustices of the time, not conservatives. Again, that's one reason I have little faith in conservatives of today leading any charge to make this world a better place, as history shows a pathetic track record of any such accounts But then, I went to public schools so what could I possibly know?

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 15:12 | 4929436 Nick Jihad
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It's easy to make fun of those who have got their arms and ammo, and "waiting for marching orders". And, it's easy to downplay the signifcance of the confrontation at Bundy Ranch. But I think that from a broader perspective, you are overlooking the real value of these things.

First off, simply being armed is a big step. As the NRA so often points out, often simply having a weapon is enough to protect you, and you never need to actually use it. As we have seen in CCW states, the mere possibility that you _may_ be armed provides an important level of protection from violent crime.

I'm going to remind us all of Bastiat, what is seen, and what is not seen. You snarkily point out, that you don't see these posters taking any real action. That is what is seen. But, what is not seen? We know from theory, and from recent history, that socialist systems must rely constantly escalating levels of coercion to sustain themselves. In the Soviet system, this manifested in mass political murder and engineered famines. This type of escalating coercion is, from a Bastiat perspective, what is not seen - it is significant by its absence.

And the Bundy Ranch confrontation is a perfect illustration of this. You belittle the outcome at Bundy, but contrast that with what happened in Waco Texas at the Branch Davidian compound. In Waco, seventy adults and children were murdered with impunity by the federal government. At Bundy Ranch, the Feds backed down without a shot fired.

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 18:24 | 4929903 Monty Burns
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You and several others are very contemptuous of those who claim to be 'prepared and waiting for orders'.  But the reality is that such individuals can't go off half-cocked and blow up the nearest bank or some such.  That's what TPTB want them to do. The reality is that it will take a tipping point event (such as economic collapse) and/or the emergence of a powerful leader to mobilize such people in a practical way.

In the meantime it's great to know that there are so many out there ready and waiting for orders.

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 20:19 | 4930175 GeorgeHayduke
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Hell, I am prepared and ready. However, I am not waiting for any marching orders. There's a whole bunch of folks who have this whole revolutionary war fantasy thing going on in which all of a sudden there are skirmishes everywhere and then it's all over and the good guys (they patriot of course, whoever they are as all side make this claim) walk away and all is right with the world again. Forget that a single A-10 Warthog counts for all the guns and ammo the "prepared" folks bring to defend a ranch.

On the other hand, I hear of people who are building their own communities and essentially dropping out of the current system and making things happen right now...without marching orders or a hardon to kill someone to make things aright. You see people making fun of those you claim are prepared, maybe they are saying that you may be heading down the wrong path with a single-minded focus on guns, ammo and a fight. It may all come down to that, but that may not be how it turns out at all. The better prepared person is the one who adapts instead of setting their mind toward a certain outcome. JMHO.

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 10:34 | 4928827 cpnscarlet
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OK carp, but I still keep telling my friends that I damn my own cowardice for not firing the first shot.

No hero here.

But the night is still young....

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 18:26 | 4929907 Monty Burns
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Exactly. Things are heading in one direction only and something will kick it off in due course. Be prepared.

Sat, 07/05/2014 - 22:34 | 4928032 Newsboy
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We'll need food, water, fuel and communications.

Oops, our enemies control all of that.

Guess we'd better get prepping.

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 00:27 | 4928240 IridiumRebel
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We are.

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 09:29 | 4928699 soontobeblocked
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"better get prepping"

"we are"

Yes, indeed.  Preparing to hide.  That is what your plans amount to.  You know it.  At least call it for what it is.

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 10:25 | 4928801 stonecoldbrokei...
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soontobeblocked to Madame DeFarge, "put down the knitting"

 

Madame DeFarge (silently) knits another name in her scarf.

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 10:42 | 4928833 SilverDOG
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There is no hiding.

Exceptionally so for those commenting here on ZH.

There will be no group effort, similar to our Revolution which was enabled by 2% of the Colonies populaiton.

This time, the percentage of those who revolt will mirror the percentage of gold and silver in hand owners. .02%. 

Skynet will rule, regardless of its AI capability, commodities in ALL forms will be the objective.

Water will soon become #1 target.

Want to hide... you had better live where there are no commodities, none.

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 15:22 | 4929452 jerry_theking_lawler
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Actually, for this system, that is one of the best strategies...to hide. Why? Starve the fucking beast. If everyone stopped participating in the system, the system would crash. Plain. And. Simple. Why fight and hurt alot of innocents. If the productive people just dropped out (kind like a famous book, huh) then the .gov that is left and the dregs that are left would collapse the system in no time.

Peaceful resistance at its finest....and I am not even a Ghandi follower/worshiper....but it would definitely work in this instance.

The same is true for taxes....if everyone who paid taxes on a weekly/monthly basis stopped (and paid them only when due on April 15th) then the system would crash.

And you are right, there is only 2 ways I'm going to start shooting at folks...#1) when they walk onto my property to 'seize' my God given rights (by this time it probably be too late as their will be a sizeable force. #2) I have personal knowledge of a friend/neighbor I trust has had their rights 'seized' and they need help standing up to the force.

Otherwise, I'm not marching to Cliven Bundy's ranch to start shooting...don't know the guy, don't know why anyone was really after his rights, don't know the whole story, etc,etc,etc....

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 18:28 | 4929915 Monty Burns
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Soontobeblocked. In Ireland you're what's known as a pain in the hole. Go fuck off, will you!

Sat, 07/05/2014 - 22:51 | 4928063 JLee2027
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Huh? Rebuild with what, the cupboard is bare,

The cupboard is bare now. It'll look a lot better when there is no debt after the Jubilee and men have the freedom and liberty to do productive work again without some smuck picking your pocket to honor the socialist disorder.

Sat, 07/05/2014 - 23:51 | 4928179 Anusocracy
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So True. Almost everything government does is a total waste of wealth and resources.

 

Government is nothing more than totally useless people ruling over pathetically stupid people.

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 00:40 | 4928263 willwork4food
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+10

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