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These Are The "Worst Possible States To Live In" As Ranked By Their Residents

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It should come as no surprise that when Gallup recently conducted a poll asking residents to rank if their state is the "worst possible to live in" a whopping 25% of its residents, by far the most of any states, responded Illinois. Which were the other "worst possible" states? The table below ranks them all.

 

How about the opposite: the best US states to live in? Here is the full list in descending order.

And some commentary from Gallup:

Residents of Western and Midwestern states are generally more positive about their states as places to live. With the exception of the New England states of New Hampshire and Vermont, all of the top 10 rated states are west of the Mississippi River. In addition to Montana and Alaska, Utah (70%), Wyoming (69%), and Colorado (65%) are among the 10 states that residents are most likely to say their state is among the best places to reside. Most of these states have relatively low populations, including Wyoming, Vermont, North Dakota, and Alaska -- the four states with the smallest populations in the nation. Texas, the second most populated state, is the major exception to this population relationship. Although it is difficult to discern what the causal relationship is between terrain and climate and positive attitudes, many of the top 10 states are mountainous with cold winters. In fact, the two states most highly rated by their residents -- Montana and Alaska -- are among not only the nation's coldest states but also both border Canada.

With the exception of New Mexico, all of the bottom 10 states are either east of the Mississippi River or border it (Louisiana and Missouri). New Jersey (28%), Maryland (29%), and Connecticut (31%) join Rhode Island among the bottom 10.

The results are based on a special 50-state Gallup poll conducted June-December 2013, including interviews with at least 600 residents in every state. For the first time, Gallup measured whether residents view their states as "the best possible state to live in," "one of the best possible states to live in," "as good a state as any to live in," or "the worst possible state to live in."

Few Americans say their states are the single best or worst places to live. Rather, the large majority of respondents say their states were either "one of the best" or "as good a state as any" place to live.

One in Four Illinois Residents Say Their State Is the Worst Place to Live

Illinois has the unfortunate distinction of being the state with the highest percentage of residents who say it is the worst possible place to live. One in four Illinois residents (25%) say the state is the worst place to live, followed by 17% each in Rhode Island and Connecticut.

Throughout its history, Illinois has been rocked by high-profile scandals, investigations, and resignations from Chicago to Springfield and elsewhere throughout the state. Such scandals may explain why Illinois residents have the least trust in their state government across all 50 states. Additionally, they are among the most resentful about the amount they pay in state taxes. These factors may contribute to an overall low morale for the state's residents.

Texans Most Likely to View the Lone Star State as the Very Best

Although Texas trails Montana and Alaska in terms of its residents rating it as the best or one of the best places to live, it edges out Alaska (27%) and Hawaii (25%) in the percentage of residents who rate it as the single best place to live.

Texans' pride for their state as the single best place to live is not surprising when viewed in the context of other measures. According to Gallup Daily tracking for 2013, Texans rank high on standard of living and trust in their state government, and they are less negative than others are about the state taxes they pay. The same is true for Alaska and, to a lesser extent, Hawaii, which had relatively average scores for trust in state government and state taxes, but ranked high for standard of living. The three also have distinct histories, geographies, natural resources, and environmental features that may contribute to residents' personal enjoyment and pride in their locale.

Bottom Line

Residents with the most pride in their state as a place to live generally boast a greater standard of living, higher trust in state government, and less resentment toward the amount they pay in state taxes. However, the factors that residents use to determine whether their state is a great place to live are not always obvious. West Virginia, for example, falls far behind all other states on a variety of metrics, including economic confidence, well-being, standard of living, and stress levels. Still, over a third of West Virginians feel their state is among the best places to live, giving it a ranking near the middle of the pack.

 

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Sat, 07/05/2014 - 20:44 | 4927738 franzpick
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From Abe Lincoln's Illinois, to GoBombem's Cook County.

Sat, 07/05/2014 - 20:51 | 4927757 THX 1178
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Florida checking in here. Middle of the road? I guess it makes sense- the good weather is cancelled out by the crazy people. If you have a house and a pool you're golden.

Sat, 07/05/2014 - 20:58 | 4927779 Jumbotron
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There's a swath of interior Florida from east of Tallahassee down through to maybe Ocala and west along the Nature Coast that's ok if you have land with your house.

Anything south of a Gainsville, Ocala, Palm Coast line.....well.....yeah....crazy people. 

Sat, 07/05/2014 - 21:00 | 4927783 0b1knob
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< State of denial. 

< State of inebriation.

Sat, 07/05/2014 - 21:28 | 4927863 weburke
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connecticut  is great, really, except where it isnt.

Sat, 07/05/2014 - 22:05 | 4927960 Meatballs
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And now that would be the entire state. Grew up there and it WAS great, and a good place to be from. Did some traveling in my younger days and went back to raise the kids. Worst mistake of my life. Connecticut has gone completely over the cliff and it isn't coming back in this lifetime. Last one out turn out the lights- the exodus is alarming and completely understandable. Got out last year and grateful.

Sat, 07/05/2014 - 22:22 | 4928007 666
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We in NJ are disappointed to be only number 7 on the worst state to live in list and won't be satisfied until we're number 1! It shouldn't be long now...

Number one! Number One! NUMBER ONE!

Sat, 07/05/2014 - 22:34 | 4928030 Gaius Frakkin' ...
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This survey is fucked. California is at least twice as bad as Illinois.

Sat, 07/05/2014 - 22:54 | 4928069 Bagbalm
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But they love it that way.

Sat, 07/05/2014 - 23:10 | 4928097 redpill
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Except in California at least you have the best weather on the planet.  

Sat, 07/05/2014 - 23:49 | 4928170 wee-weed up
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Rahm, Baby...

You fukin' bastard!

You need to wipe that smelly Obozo "brown-stuff" off your nose!

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 00:00 | 4928195 Anusocracy
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I would like to know what country Americans think is the best to live in.

 

That way I could be sure not to move there.

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 02:16 | 4928369 DirtyWilly
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This should be called the survey of the states with the best weather.

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 05:28 | 4928486 MeMadMax
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No idea why montana is #1.

Highest DUI, Extreme meth problems, indian reservations are garbage dumps that people live in, nothing there.

 

About the only thing I can think of is stuff is cheap, no sales tax, used to have no speed limit either =D

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 07:18 | 4928553 Headbanger
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All I can say is FUCK YOU CONNECTICUT!

And please stay there you fucking assholes!

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 07:22 | 4928558 mjcOH1
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"This survey is fucked. California is at least twice as bad as Illinois."

But they have more people on the dole. And for them it's the land of milk and honey.

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 08:00 | 4928591 Headbanger
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And fuck you global warming "climate disruption" assholes too!

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2014/06/25/government-data-show-...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2681829/Global-warming-latest-Am...

Especially all of you in fucking  Connecticut

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 11:49 | 4928990 Son of Loki
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Postal Worker Caught On Video Hurling Packages Into Ravine

 

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/05/postal-worker-throws-package-in...

 

If you live in the Birmingham area, and you're missing a suspicious number of packages, you may want to consider checking your local ravine.

An unidentified United States Postal Service worker in Birmingham, Ala., was caught on video Monday apparently removing some packages from a USPS-branded mail delivery van and then hurling them off a steep embankment by the road. You can see the hurling in question in the video above.

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 00:20 | 4930758 Tall Tom
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They completely missed it. The worst of all possible states to live in is the states of stupidity and confusion.

 

Most everyone on this fucked up planet lives in those states daily.

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 01:22 | 4930831 7.62x54r
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The survey lies.

Wyoming is evil. It's full of crazy people like me who carry guns, continually cut the legs out from under the brave people who work for the local .gov, keep taxes stupidly low, and don't believe in supporting the free shit army. The wildlife will eat you. And the weather is bad. Ignore the good press.

Stay away. Especially if you are an ex-Californian living in Colorado.

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 09:33 | 4928672 Mr. Ed
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Ha Ha!

Same here... Montana is very regimented, and people have the idea that being tough means being able to put up with whatever crap may come your way and keep your mouth shut... be it from your local gov or your boss!  When it comes to standing up to government shenanigans, people here appear beaten down, they act like sheep.

The air is very clean except when there's a forrest fire nearby (which is a noticeable part of the summer and early fall) OR when one of the local yokels decides to burn plastic and other toxic construction materials (but all the brave Monatanans are afraid to report it to the local police or file a complaint).

Covenants are EVERYWHERE.  Real estate interests run everything.  Most people with less than 200-300K net worth will wind up living in an assemblage of cracker boxes.  We got tons of open acreage, but most people who come here won't have a chance in hell of living on it.  If you do manage to buy land out in the middle of nowhere thinking you'll be left alone, think again.  If it's some rare acreage that's not covenanted, don't worry, a building inspector will be along soon enough!

The wild life is great!  Grizzlies, moose, elk, rattlers... just hope you don't have an up close and personal experience with one.

And the weather?  Well, it's kinda like a cold version of New Jersey.  In the winter, it's reeeeally cold and it blows like hell.  in the heat of summer, when a breeze might be nice, you get dead calm.  And rain?  If it's not raining, wait until tomorrow.

Montana may not be the worst state; but, if you're lookin for the last frontier, you're lookin in the wrong place.

Still, if you're determined, come on out by all means.  We'd sure be grateful to see ya bid the already ludicrous price of land up another couple thousand an acre!

 

PS: if you're looking for "cheap stuff", don't go to Bozeman.

 

 

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 09:37 | 4928708 Pure Evil
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Please tell me why anyone will want to live in America anymore after Obozo gets finished with it in the last two years of his second term.

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 10:38 | 4928792 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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I'm thinking where ever they are importing these biological underage timebombs from to overwhelm the immigration system with is where all the able bodied sane individuals might want to export out of this place to since they are esssentially cleaning house for you in the process. This place is done because the people are done in the main. Unless that changes nothing changes for the better.

If you want to starve the beast and prosper you will probably need to rapture out of this place and start anew elsewhere at this point. You can be free anywhere in the world, liberty and freedom is a lifestyle not some government mandate guaranteed by some idoltry, pieces of paper, uniforms or otheri inanimate objects. Government only works for 'the people' when the people guarantee by their own actions that government is the people same with any institutions in general. When community is destroyed and replaced with networks that relationship also gets destroyed and you have what we have now in America the world in general.

You need strong small communities that voluntarily network together that in turn become small larger community networks and iterate accordingly with other diverse communities without a few pyschopathic assholes trying to control the whole and homgenize and in turn destroy community in the first place.

Systems are always based on simple rules that iterate into larger more complex combinations that can always be reduced back to those simple rules and in turn they have repeatable structure and symmetry. If that doesn't exist the system is fubared and not correct to begin with. That is what we have today to keep the natural process from occuring so a few assholes can always control everything and everyone else.

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 16:37 | 4929592 Lore
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re: "without a few pyschopathic assholes trying to control the whole and homgenize and in turn destroy community in the first place."

AMEN. I would add one thing: when you hear words like "AMALGAMATION" and "LIVABLE COMMUNITY," LOOK OUT: the green-fascist-collectivist Agenda 21 control freaks have seized your local govt and want to strip your property rights, "REDEVELOP" and "DENSIFY" your ass, and leave YOU holding the DEBT. 

ICLEI

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 10:59 | 4928886 Edelweiss
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If you like hunting, camping, mountains, boating, etc., then Montana is awesome.  It's easily my favorite domestic vacation spot.  Where am I from? Illinois, of course.  What does this state offer?  Corn fields, soybean fields, and brown water boating out of the cities.  In the city you get lots of public housing, with a healthy dose of churches, and bars.  Here, I frequently see an EBT dependent piece of trash shuffling around aimlessly.  In many of the western states, it seems like those sights are much less common.  Think I'm living in the wrong state. 

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 18:01 | 4929842 sessinpo
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MeMadMax    No idea why montana is #1.

Highest DUI, Extreme meth problems, indian reservations are garbage dumps that people live in, nothing there.

 About the only thing I can think of is stuff is cheap, no sales tax, used to have no speed limit either =D

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How about that one can live there with such open space and not be intruded as much by government. Meth problems are everywhere and reservations are their own soverign entity.

You don't seem to be Mad Max with your observations and posts.

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 10:39 | 4928838 daxtonbrown
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Break them down by politics and you will see the real trend.

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 09:42 | 4928712 all-priced-in
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About 40% of them could not even find the USA on a map if "UNITED STATES OF AMERICA" was in bold red letters.

My guess is at least 25% would still give the nod to their home country - Mexico.

 

 

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 10:45 | 4928856 SameAsItEverWas
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I would like to know what country Americans think is the best to live in.

That's easy.  The prevailing religion in the U.S. is Americanism, which its adherents refer to as American exceptionalism, which is the same as national chauvinism, which is the root enabler of American imperialism and its worldwide bullying.

The hard part for Americans who can see the corruption here is that unlike the 1930s when there were plenty of good places to go, where can we go now?

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 01:50 | 4930853 Theosebes Goodfellow
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~"But they love it that way."~

No, that's not true. They simply didn't understand the question. Try asking them in Spanish instead.

Sat, 07/05/2014 - 22:57 | 4928075 jeff montanye
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i am amazed at connecticutt and rhode island vs., say, alabama and mississippi or nebraska and oklahoma.  

i'm glad they're still not pouring over the georgia line into the ss state.  2008 accompished some things.

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 01:22 | 4928319 Carpenter1
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Best possible state= One with least DHS scum

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 19:26 | 4930063 lunaticfringe
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The absolute worst state, Illinois, grabbed the top spot without it's star resident. Bet me he doesn't go back.

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 09:42 | 4928714 sylviasays
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California used to be a great place to live until it became a suburb of Mexico.

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 11:31 | 4928960 Jerk_Store
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California used to be a great place to live until it became a suburb of Mexico.

 

California used to be a great place to live when one could afford to live near the coast. Now most of the crackers have been relocated to the valley. 

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 11:53 | 4928976 sylviasays
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"California used to be a great place to live when one could afford to live near the coast. Now most of the crackers have been relocated to the valley."

Crackers in the valley? It's obvious that you haven't been to either the San Fernando Valley, the San Gabriel Valley, or the Central Valley in a while. Once you get away from the coast, you mostly hear either español or a language other than English. The white folks who can't afford to live near the coast are increasingly fleeing the state. 


Sun, 07/06/2014 - 12:27 | 4929078 QQQBall
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correct. paying rent along the coast offsets the cost of private school on the west side

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 14:05 | 4929300 Jerk_Store
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Crackers in the valley? It's obvious that you haven't been to either the San Fernando Valley, the San Gabriel Valley, or the Central Valley in a while. Once you get away from the coast, you mostly hear either español or a language other than English. The white folks who can't afford to live near the coast are increasingly fleeing the state. 

 

I meant they have moved to the wonderful cities of Manteca, Modesto, Tracy, Lathrop, Folsom, and the greater Sacramento area  etc...

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 15:40 | 4929476 sylviasays
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"I meant they have moved to the wonderful cities of Manteca, Modesto, Tracy, Lathrop, Folsom, and the greater Sacramento area  etc..."

Those are "wonderful cities?" Maybe if you like blistering heat in the summer, neighborhoods full of run down Section 8 rental housing owned by landlords from the Bay Area, gangbangers on the rampage, and cities where you mostly hear either español or a language other than English. Sacramento has the added attraction of being populated with thousands of fat, lazy state workers and corrupt Democrat politicians who are always finding new ways to raise taxes and oppress Californians with more laws and regulations. Again, the white folks who can't afford to live within a few miles of the coast are increasingly fleeing the state.

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 16:20 | 4929585 Jerk_Store
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Those are "wonderful cities?" Maybe if you like blistering heat in the summer, neighborhoods full of run down Section 8 rental housing owned by landlords from the Bay Area, gangbangers on the rampage, and cities where you mostly hear either español or a language other than English. Sacramento has the added attraction of being populated with thousands of fat, lazy state workers and corrupt Democrat politicians who are always finding new ways to raise taxes and oppress Californians with more laws and regulations. Again, the white folks who can't afford to live within a few miles of the coast are increasingly fleeing the state.

 

I guess I should have added a /sarc  tag for you. I thought the word "WONDERFUL" was enough.

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 03:21 | 4930905 SemperFudge
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He might have meant Simi Valley. Lots of white folks up there.

Sat, 07/05/2014 - 22:49 | 4928060 25or6to4
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@666
Please what ever you do remain in your state. There is a flood of people from NJ in my state (Delaware) voting for the same people who ruined yours. KEEP OUT!

Sat, 07/05/2014 - 23:23 | 4928117 Never One Roach
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I'm not sure "Texans" actually "enjoy" living in 110 degree heat half the year. First of all, they probably polled very few native Texans and second, most people I know there moved there b/c, a) housing's pretty cheap and b) lots of jobs right now due to the boom there. 25% of drivers have no insurance, crime is pretty high now in the major cities, Austin is rated the most congested mid-size city, open border with the south, gangs proliferating, and so on....

 

People in Montana, Wyoming, etc actually moved there b/c they love it there; the culture, climate, lifestyle, extremely low crime, etc.

 

That's what I suspect.

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 10:16 | 4928786 -.-
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Born & raised Austin resident here:

 

Please don't move here: you'll end up believing the city council and mayor

Please dont' move here: you'll end up making it even further expensive (real estate bubble (rentall too))

Please don't move here: all of those lakes? they are not lakes, they are tumors atop of a physically abused river

Please don't move here: you will end up voting in the next presidential election 

Please don't move here: our city blocks are not long enough to fit all of the fucking cars and the city council                                              continues to fix the problem(s) by taxing land and housing

 

What you see in Austin, Texas nowadays is, well, a New Normal.

What I see in Austin is a big sign driven by its stake into downtown that reads...

AUSTIN, TEXAS: FOR RENTjust contact Chris Riley

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 23:41 | 4930691 CheapBastard
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Austin City Council sold Austonians out to the highest Bidder/Developer looks like. I lived there for awhile in the early 1990's when it was still paradise. When I re-visited in 2011 I was shocked! Hills along 360 torn up and pock marked with massive fugly apartment compexes, cow pastures destroyed by thousands of acres of hardiplank track houses, horrible congestion from that huge race track, pollution from I35 running thru the center of town, crime off 6th Street and South Congress out of control, very expensive houses now from the massive immigration from Cali, and so on.

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Sun, 07/06/2014 - 23:30 | 4930658 WeNeedaRealGovt
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NJ will never be No. 1 since too many leave as soon as they get there.

 

NW USA is the best.  Something for everybody in OR, WA, ID and Mont.

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 00:31 | 4930774 Doña K
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The best places in Illinois, despite the rankings, are two towns right in the center of the state; Sprignfield and Decatur because.......... No matter which way you drive,you are leaving  Illinois.

 

No offence to the locals! I could not resist the joke.

Sat, 07/05/2014 - 22:28 | 4928017 Titus
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Montana and Alaska are the top two states. I wonder if this has anything to do with:

-the lowest population densities

-the lowest population of immigrants

-the lowest number of jews

-the lowest federal government influence in daily life

and:

-high gun ownership rates

-high value on personal liberty

despite:

-extremely cold, harsh, long winters

Fun fact, when Montanans get annoyed with the amount of people around, they move to Alaska.

 

 

Sat, 07/05/2014 - 22:55 | 4928058 Dick Buttkiss
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I'm guessing your down votes have to do with your anti-semitism.

That's what my down vote does.

What other ethnic groups do you hate?

Sat, 07/05/2014 - 23:01 | 4928084 25or6to4
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@DickB
Really? That's why he got my up vote. Jews do nothing but complain especially about cold weather and guns. And don't mention no good delis.

Sat, 07/05/2014 - 23:33 | 4928138 Dick Buttkiss
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So what do you suggest we do with them?

No wait.

Sat, 07/05/2014 - 23:55 | 4928187 SmackDaddy
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i think most here would advocate for a live and let live policy.... and we're holding up our end of the bargain for now...  the communist instigators, on the other hand...

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 08:08 | 4928598 25or6to4
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@DickyB
Why send/keep them down in Florida of course. Preferably in the Miami area.

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 10:46 | 4928862 Richard Chesler
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Send them all to Israel and let them steal from each other. Fucking thieves.

 

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 18:06 | 4929855 sessinpo
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25or6to4   Really? That's why he got my up vote. Jews do nothing but complain especially about cold weather and guns. And don't mention no good delis.

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Hitler and the left salutes you. Carry on.

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 08:05 | 4931137 All Risk No Reward
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"Jews" don't exist.

Individuals exist.

WHO brain washed us into thinking millions of people are monolithic?

Or are we simply innately that nescient / ignorant?

Maybe a bit of both.

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 01:57 | 4928358 paddyirishman
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fuck off you hasbara troll, 90 percent of kikes are not semites they're abskani or whatever it is, they're all still lying bastards, only about 10 percent orginated in Palestine, so most arabs like Syrians are semites where as most lying jews are not, so shove your fuckin lies hasbara.

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 03:10 | 4928395 Titus
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you made a typo, it's ashkaNAZI

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 09:52 | 4928728 auntiesocial
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screw being politically correct.

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 11:52 | 4928998 HerrDoktor
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let's talk when you're sober Paddy.  Maybe never?

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 18:08 | 4929858 sessinpo
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paddyirishman    fuck off you hasbara troll, 90 percent of kikes are not semites they're abskani or whatever it is, they're all still lying bastards, only about 10 percent orginated in Palestine, so most arabs like Syrians are semites where as most lying jews are not, so shove your fuckin lies hasbara.

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That's odd. Someone described Irishmen in the same fashion, exept for the geographical part.

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 10:40 | 4928843 Eirik Magnus Larssen
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Libertarianism does seem to be a fringe right-wing movement attempting to repackage itself as something "new".

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 11:55 | 4929005 hound dog vigilante
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Nothing "new" or re-packaged about liberty - it's sewn into the fabric of american society & politics.

We're seeing/hearing more Libertarian views these days because 1) the establishment two-party system is failing, and 2) the internet is an inherently libertarian forum whose ever-growing population is bringing the internet/libertarian ethos into their 'tangible' (non-cyber) lives.  

Imagine a further 1-2 generations of citizens largely raised on/with the internet... the rise of libertarian ideals & policy has only just begun. Dismantling of 100+ years of elitist/corporatist social & political policy will take time and create quite a mess, but it is now inevitable.

There's a reason that so much of our current public policy (& politicians themselves) seem obsolete & pathetic - the internet generation is already WAY past them, and most people recogize this, either consciously or unconsciously. This also explains the widespread 'apathy' among so many otherwise intelligent middle-aged people - they recognize the current paradigm is dead, but the hospice/wake/funeral are taking far too long (esp. for their newly developed internet-speed expectations), so they tune-out and wait for the next cycle to begin in earnest (hopefully within their lifetime).

What we are suffering through now is the death throes of the 'establishment' who are fighting a losing battle to maintain the status quo that has served them so well during the past century.  So the silent majority stands on the sidelines and watches the old horse die, all the while learning and shaping the new (internet-based) paradigm through their phones & PC's.  

One need spend only a few hours of the internet to realize that the average web citizen is FAR more radicalized than our current public (non-web) political dialogue could suggest.  Libertarians will seem tame compared to the spectrum of ideas and opinions that will be unleashed by young/unborn, technology-enabled generations of citizens. Change will not happen fast enough for them... and so things will (finally) begin to change ever more rapidly...

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 18:16 | 4929882 sessinpo
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Eirik Magnus Larssen   Libertarianism does seem to be a fringe right-wing movement attempting to repackage itself as something "new".

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there is very little new under the sun. History repeats including the upcoming nationalism, paranoia and segration (discrimination) against various ethnic groups. The elite contine on while they propagandize the public into fighting each other.

Evil, power and money cares not of ethnicity. But evil uses ethnicity to control power and money. And that doesn't mean Jews are evil. That is what the weak minded believe. If a black muslim man from Kenya controlled  the banking system and used it in bad ways, it is still evil. It has nothing to with his race or religion.

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 00:40 | 4930779 Tall Tom
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If a black muslim man from Kenya controlled  the banking system and used it in bad ways, it is still evil. It has nothing to with his race or religion.

 

Or whether he is a homosexual while his husband is a transvestite?

 

There is some action in the Rainbow House tonight. I wonder who is pitching and receiving tonight? Maybe it is Michael's turn and Barry catches.

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 08:10 | 4931144 All Risk No Reward
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>>Evil, power and money cares not of ethnicity. But evil uses ethnicity to control power and money. And that doesn't mean Jews are evil. That is what the weak minded (are manipulated to) believe.<<

Exactly.  Are "the Jews" getting a pass when the mega banks show up to steal their home with perjured documents due to the MERS cluster?

Nope, their homes are being stolen, too.

Debt Money Tyrants see "assets" and seek to wield them to their benefit (and everyone else's detriment - for they are cirminal minded and enjoy hurting people as the icing on their cake).

And we are galactic chumps for falling prey to their control mechanisms.

Sat, 07/05/2014 - 23:12 | 4928102 Jerk_Store
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Montana and Alaska are the top two states. I wonder if this has anything to do with:

-the lowest population densities

-the lowest population of immigrants

-the lowest number of jews

You forgot one..you know you wanted to say it too

Sat, 07/05/2014 - 23:53 | 4928183 Tom Servo
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i'm guessing you're fishing for "lowest number of black people", but i could be wrong... maybe muslims... lol

 

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 03:18 | 4928401 Titus
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actually both are correct. lowest number of asians and beaners too. the largest problems come from the two major university football teams(lots of imported blacks on them), the indians (some, not all, are horrible, horrible drunks and thieves), and military bases.

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 08:59 | 4928670 Oldwood
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We are not allowed to stereotype, as it is hating on people, even if it is true

(especially if it is true) 

Anyone notice how virtually any truthful statement is politically incorrect?

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 09:37 | 4928707 Lea
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Yes, one of the largest problem in Montana is the Indians. Mind you, it's not as if the country was not theirs to start with.

BTW, do you count them as immigrants?

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 10:32 | 4928822 nmewn
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"Mind you, it's not as if the country was not theirs to start with."

What country, Canada or the US? Regardless, I'm sure the Shoshone felt the same way about the Blackfoot stealing their land but its never good to let truth get in the way of a popular meme ;-)

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 10:57 | 4928880 dwayne elizando
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I'm Potawatomi Indian from Hartford Michigan. Here, the white methheads make any immigrant or native problems look like childsplay!

https://www.google.com/search?q=hartford+MI+murder&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=...

Why do whites do meth and murder women all the time? I tell my relatives to stay away from whites!

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 12:02 | 4929022 nmewn
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I wasn't aware that ONLY whites murdered women and did meth, so thanks for that...lol. Are your relatives aware that you are a self described "porn star"? And I'm sure (with your admonition to "stay away from whites") that the women appearing with you are also Indians.

So what do you call yourself in the movies...Chief Long Log? ;-)

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 12:43 | 4929111 dwayne elizando
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Since we're stereotyping I just thought I'd join in! I take it you're unfamiliar with Idiocracy?

In all seriousness, I think their is a cyclical power struggle which we're watching shift. Western Rome fell, Byzantine remained, in 1492 that middle eastern influence got pushed out, and now it's coming back. Islam is on the move while America sleeps. 14 years after Russia vs Afghanistan, Russia stumbled. How long ago did the US enter Afghanistan? Watch that next step, it's a doozy!

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 18:30 | 4929927 nmewn
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"Since we're stereotyping I just thought I'd join in!"

lol...no prob, the more we do it, the less effect it has ;-)

By the way, I got a few drops of Creek in me, from my Mom's side.

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 12:54 | 4929131 Lea
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"its never good to let truth get in the way of a popular meme".

Truth? The truth is swarms of immigrants got to America and stole the land from its natives, killing them if they resisted, and locking the remainder into reservations. Then, they brought their African slaves over.

Good luck with disproving these "popular memes".

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 18:28 | 4929917 nmewn
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The truth is, different Indian tribes were slaughtering each other, enslaving each other and stealing each others land (hunting grounds if you prefer) long before whitey got here.

Not much on history are you?

Ask Chief Long Log up top ;-)

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 00:47 | 4930794 Tall Tom
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You and your "Conspiracy Theories". You should be ashamed...

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 12:04 | 4929023 Jerk_Store
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i'm guessing you're fishing for "lowest number of black people", but i could be wrong... maybe muslims... lol

 

Nah...I meant Hare Krishnas :j

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 03:29 | 4928410 RafterManFMJ
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Oh, I know what you're implying.

People hate living next to them.

N_ggers.

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 07:44 | 4928579 sunnyside
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"Alright, we'll give some land to the niggers and the chinks, but we don't want the Irish"

 

Gotta love Blazing Saddles.

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 10:31 | 4928819 MeMongo
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"What in the wide wide world of sports is going on here? I hired you people to get a little track laid not to jump around like a bunch a Kansas City faggots"

Sat, 07/05/2014 - 23:16 | 4928106 DoChenRollingBearing
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I can understand why Montana, Wyoming and Texas are rated highly, having spent some time (not enough!) in each.

I can also understand why Illinois, CT, New York and New Jersey are rated so low (and I have spent at least a little time in each of those as well).

I am kind of surprised that SC was not rated a better place to live, and why MA was not rated lower...

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 03:27 | 4928409 Doña K
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I am afraid that in some states (no names) most people have never been outside their state (except maybe neighboring ones) and have no frame of reference. Nonetheless, if they are happy, who are we to judge.

This story is very telling. We stayed in a guest house in Bermuda once and we asked the owner, a man in his late sixties if he had been to the US. He replied that he did once and did not like it. We then asked him if he ever gets island fever. He said: "You can be as happy as anyone in your own backyard." 

We walked away with deep thoughts.

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 10:58 | 4928883 SameAsItEverWas
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"You can be as happy as anyone in your own backyard." 

Yeah, if you have a wife or girlfriend.  Owner of a guest house in Jamaica almost 70 years old who spent his life there would have tons of friends and relatives, much less former foreigner visitors, to come and visit in that backyard.

The hard part is having no friends and no family.

In my case, most of them are now in heaven.

I tried moving to Kau'ai, the westernment county of the U.S., one of the most beautiful places on earth.   From going there twice a year for many years I knew quite a few people there.  Unfortunately, when I moved there, someone started a rumor that I was some type of narc.  In a place like that rumors spread fast.  After a year I moved back to the mainland.  I had a nice backyard in a rented 2-bedroom house in a neighborhood with the houses so close together you coukd hear th neighbor flush their toilet, and all the houses were on concrete blocks and being eatne by insects regardless, but my rent was only $925/month utilities included and I could walk to three different secluded beaches and live like a local driving my rusted-out Mazda 2000 pickup I bought thee week  I arrived in order to look like a local.

It wasn't enough.  Without friends or family or genuine human connections there is no point in liviing.  

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 15:37 | 4929491 Miffed Microbio...
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There is a poignant sadness to your comment. I understand what you are saying. I have come to the realization that where I live is truly superfluous even though I prefer a sunny serene locale. I have spend a week in Kauai and hiked Mt. Wai’ale’ale ( actually found chickens up there!). Truly a magical place and I can understand why you liked it but over the years I have discovered happiness truly lies in the fact I am dearly loved by my husband and I have a few close friends that support and understand me. I am blessed and will never forget this.

I hope you find a gem in the sea of zombies with whom to connect. I enjoy solitude myself but the interactions of a kindred spirit can recharge you to face the cold darkness of our world today.

Peace and best wishes,

Miffed;-)

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 16:49 | 4929652 Jerk_Store
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"You can be as happy as anyone in your own backyard." 

Yeah, if you have a wife or girlfriend. 

 

Lot's of hot women to be found in the aisles of Walmart

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 09:51 | 4928734 auntiesocial
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I also think SC is a great place to live. upstate so that you don't fry in the summer.

Sat, 07/05/2014 - 21:47 | 4927917 booboo
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Anything south of Gainsville to Broward is New Yorkarico, south of that is a third world shit hole and leathery jews until the Keys and then it turns Waspy to Key Incest. North of Gainsville is still...well..Florida. Born in Illinois but to get a job you had to pay a union off or swear allegiance to The Democrat party. Chicago is still a great town to visit, merc exchange floor used to be open viewing until 9/11 fucked it up. My Dad is buried there and that is about the only reason to go back. Brother gets paid not to grow shit on his land, go figure, got to keep those bean and corn prices up you know. Illinois is so fucked  up they will never get back to being just fucked up.

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 02:37 | 4928382 TheObsoleteMan
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South of Gainsville? Really? You don't get around Florida much do you? Ever been to Polk County? Or Hardee? Or Desoto? Or Glades? How about Hendry? Okeechobee? All of these mentioned counties are WELL south of Gainsville, A TOWN THAT IS FULL OF FIRST GENERATION YANKEE KIDS. Go north of Pasco County and you are in the south again!

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 11:53 | 4929001 MmeBovary
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An hour west and north of Gainesville here and you are DEAD ON. I think there's something in the water in Ocala. We try not to go south of there at all.

Sat, 07/05/2014 - 21:08 | 4927810 nmewn
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Florida should be around Illinois, I'm telling you there are swarms of mosquitoes that literally lift you off the ground and drop your blood drained body into the nearest swamp where the moccasins and alligators devour your carcass.

You'll never be seen again.

Stay the fuck away from Florida.

(The crazy people are all transplants...I think...lol.)

Sat, 07/05/2014 - 21:12 | 4927814 knukles
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A lot of my buds retired to Florida.
I never understood the attraction of bugs, humidity and heat

Just personal preference.

One of 'em said he wanted to open up a Chad School
That's crazy....

Sat, 07/05/2014 - 21:27 | 4927859 nmewn
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"A lot of my buds retired to Florida."

I know...thats the problem...lol.

Sat, 07/05/2014 - 21:53 | 4927929 booboo
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Florida is Gods waiting room. On another note the coldest night I ever slept through was at our old  hunting camp up near Monticello, Fl, froze my ass off.

Sat, 07/05/2014 - 22:05 | 4927958 nmewn
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It gets cold(er) out that way no doubt.

Especially for us native crackas ;-)

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 03:47 | 4928426 Oracle of Kypseli
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Greetings! Nmewn 

We have lived and worked so far in 6 states and 8 countries in 5 continents. (Missing Oceania) and yet we are more confused than ever on where to retire. Is it that elusive utopian Eden that we are all looking for? Or is it that we are constantly changing our minds? Can't figure that out yet.

 

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 08:12 | 4928603 nmewn
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Well hey Oracle, long time ;-)

I think its a combination of both, people have thoughts & fantasize about one place or another where they are not. They think, it would be wonderful to get up in the morning, go out on the deck in the cool mountain air and watch the sunrise with a cup of coffee (until winter rolls in and they're stuck on top of that mountain). Or alternately, watching the sunset with their toes in the sand (until a hurricane destroys their house or a pterodactyl swoops down and snaps at them...lol).

Its always a series of trade offs that you must perform, to be in a place you want to be.

For me, it comes down to where I feel the most free. This weekend we went to Ginnie Springs (confirming again, why I can't be around too many people because of the cans & bottles some slobs felt compelled to leave behind in the bottom of the spring that others had to remove) but the place is great. And when I returned home I shot off (well, squire and his buds shot off) $250 worth of fireworks on the front walkway. If lived in the city, cops or SWAT would have been involved at some point during my day or night...lol.

I don't need a Pizza Hut/bar/gas station/ATM on every corner or cops/medical/fire on 24hr standby to arrive five minutes after the point of needing them is passed but I understand that some people do.

Its a series of trade offs ;-)

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 08:24 | 4928622 Sean7k
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Happy 4th nmewn and well said.

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 08:32 | 4928638 nmewn
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You too Sean, keep pushing back my brutha ;-)

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 11:02 | 4928869 Crawdaddy
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-fireworks on the drivewasy :)

I've lived all over the US and as others point out, there are good and bad. New Jersey in the summer was a treat compared to TX. The year I lived in NJ was spent waiting on someone to yield at a traffic circle. Utah was great but I could never shake the feeling all those nice people I met were in a freakydeaky club and the day would come when they would throw the likes of me into a volcano. New Mexico is beautiful, Georgia sticky, SC a gem, TN my kinda place, LA good food/nice people. CA native borns are some of the best people I've met.

But like everywhere else it seems, if a guy was a psycho, chances are good he was a transplant. My first golf outing in CA - a guy in my walk on group had a meltdown and started a fight on the number one tee box because the group in front was slow. He was a native Bostonian. A girl I was introduced to at work, who was at least 10 years past worrying about child birth, immediately & angrily informed me to forget about trying to take her abortion rights away. Nice to meet you too ma'am. She was from NYC.

My starting criteria for a good place to live now is a volunteer fire dept and no deed restrictions or covenants. Beyond that, i gave up thinking I can escape the transplants and crazies. They will find you, move in next door and start bitching about something. The best I can hope is to keep a good buffer zone.

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 12:14 | 4929043 nmewn
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lol...buffer zones and strong fences.

I've found many (there are exceptions of course, fonz & Ned for example here at the Hedge) Northeasterners are by & large just plain weird, high strung/on-edge. I don't know if its cuz they were raised like rats in a cage surrounded by lunatics or what but its my lifetime observation.

"A girl I was introduced to at work, who was at least 10 years past worrying about child birth, immediately & angrily informed me to forget about trying to take her abortion rights away. Nice to meet you too ma'am."

Its like WTF?...I hadn't even formed the thought in order to forget it...lol.

 

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 08:19 | 4928615 Sean7k
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Is there any place, fabled or otherwise, where tyranny has not extended its' reach? I think not. 

We can merely search for places where its' influence is muted from its' own indifference. These places can be in many countries, including the US. The comment above about being happy in your own backyard rings very true to me. 

The biggest problem seems to be figuring how long I will live and if it will be too long to miss the inevitable destruction of all possibility of liberty. I do wish you the best of luck on your search. For me, western Kentucky has proven to be sufficient backwater with abundant resources and good people. 

Of course, it also helps to ignore so much of the noise that would turn our attentions from the wonder that exists in every corner of the world. For some reason, the Elites have not learned how to destroy goodness and mercy or charity and strength. Like gods of old, it appears when we give them our attention, they grow in influence and power. They require supplicants. When we practice the possible attributes of humanity, everywhere we turn, Eden awaits...

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 09:27 | 4928696 TeamDepends
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Your heart and mind are the last lines of defense.  They can move next door to you, surveill you from the sky, assault your character online etc. etc., but only you can allow them past your eardrums.  Why is Illinois #1 on this list?  Because more Illinoisans, proportionately, have embraced the "easy-living" communist (yes, communist) doctrine.  Remember, a socialist is a communist who doesn't know the final score.

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 10:08 | 4928759 Lea
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"Because more Illinoisans, proportionately, have embraced the "easy-living" communist (yes, communist) doctrine".

Really? By what I had gathered, Illinois has a crime and social disorder problem that would be a possible cause for the bad rating. Do you know Communism? I mean, the real one, not the fantasy you Americans buy into? No disorder. No crime. Nobody moves an inch. A child can walk at two in the morning in a city center, nothing will happen to him.

Communism is not dubbed a totalitarianism for nothing.

What you call "easy-living communist doctrine" is a mixture of unbridled Liberalism and loose New Left politics, i.e, the very opposite of Communism.

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 10:12 | 4928777 TeamDepends
Sun, 07/06/2014 - 14:07 | 4929304 Crawdaddy
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Eloquently stated Sean7k

Sat, 07/05/2014 - 23:49 | 4928108 DoChenRollingBearing
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Please tell everyone you know up north there to stay OUT of Florida.  It's all true!  Terrible here!  Bugs & heat!

They would be crazy to move here.

Oh yeah.  Tell them about our cracker brothers down here too.  They're crazy!  Beware!

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 08:14 | 4928605 Raging Debate
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I used to love NH but became horrid feminazi politics that crawled up from MA, few know the state went bust in 2011. I moved into Maine and it was decent politics, they left you alone good school system.
They had a great city manager in Sanford. Lived there a decade and liked it.

Decided to try Southwest Florida. The other commentators are not kidding, a lot of the people here are nuts. Like undiagnosed mentally ill. Lots of crime. Haven't seen bugs but the humidity makes me angry!

I did find that cute southern bell though I was searching for :/) I'll be heading to cooler climate in a year or two. Maybe I'll try Montana or head back to Maine.

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 10:12 | 4928778 espirit
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Nice that you're going to take that outdoorsy southern belle and interupt her circadian rythym with long cold and dark winters.

Expect Bat-Shit Crazy in few.

Sat, 07/05/2014 - 21:11 | 4927815 El Oregonian
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If we can kick out the liberal democrats out of here (Oregon) this place would be on the road to recovery!

Sat, 07/05/2014 - 21:28 | 4927864 Miffed Microbio...
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I was going to say that about Cali. Hmmmm, can we find a state that will welcome them? Please don't send yours down here. Though I must admit I have a sick feeling they are probably transplants from my state.

Miffed;-)

Sat, 07/05/2014 - 21:44 | 4927892 El Oregonian
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Maybe we can have a south of the border exchange program. We'll take mexican nationals, one-for-one, for our liberal progressives... On second thought, I'd be willing to up that exchange rate 10 libs-to-1 mex nat'l.

There, problem solved.

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 09:58 | 4928748 sylviasays
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"Maybe we can have a south of the border exchange program. We'll take mexican nationals, one-for-one, for our liberal progressives... On second thought, I'd be willing to up that exchange rate 10 libs-to-1 mex nat'l.

There, problem solved."

 

Yeah, importing more Mexican nationals who vote for liberal progressives in their country and who do the same when they move here to this country should solve the problem. Oh wait...

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 00:35 | 4930782 El Oregonian
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Most mexicans are hard-working conservative christians. Of course, you have those knucklehead gang parasites but all-in-all, very good God-fearing people.

Sat, 07/05/2014 - 21:43 | 4927902 knukles
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Hey Miffed!

I remember from a gazillion years ago, along the I-5 just as you were crossing the border into Oregon, there used to be a big ass billboard saying something like "Californians Go Home"
Wonder if it's still there?

Sat, 07/05/2014 - 22:08 | 4927971 Miffed Microbio...
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Hysterical! Never saw that but would have been completely apropos. The only state I visited than didn't vehemently hate Californians was Colorado. They seemed to have had a passionate hatred of Texans.

Maybe hatred occurs when one state invades another in the effort to leave behind all the crap but, in reality, one just recreates the crap in the new state to the demise of the locals in the increase of property costs. Like Americans who travel and just look for the McDonalds or get pissed off if they can't find Crest toothpaste. Funny how other countries dislike us and we don't get along together either.

Miffed;-)

Sat, 07/05/2014 - 22:26 | 4928015 liverdiefree
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Things have changed. Coloradans detest Californians. They ruined their state, then the emigrate and insist on repeating what they did to ruin it! We definitely need a fence.

Sat, 07/05/2014 - 23:19 | 4928110 DoChenRollingBearing
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People in Montana do not like Californians either.  Even if rich Californians buy up all kinds of ranch land.  Hmm...

Sat, 07/05/2014 - 23:32 | 4928134 Never One Roach
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That news rag in Austin did a survey and stopped a couple of hundred people along the street in downtown Austin. Over 80% were from you know where. In fact, they reported awhile back that over 80% of those outrageously overpriced downtown condos were owned by Californians and many actually lived in by them.

 

I blame Oregonians for directing them down there. Texans, I read, dislike Californa types intensely, but stay quiet about it since they (the Kali folks) bring lots of money with them and buy all sorts of shit (like outrageously overpriced condos).

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 01:45 | 4928344 goldpercent
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The rest of Texas owes Austin a great debt of gratitude for being so damn cool and progressive.  Poor Austin, you never stood a chance.

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 12:50 | 4929125 juangrande
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People from California usually AREN'T from California.

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 13:44 | 4929246 Jab Cross Hook
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+ 1. Logged in to upvote.

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 19:17 | 4930042 Nick Jihad
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That's me - left Connecticut to move to California. Thinking about Utah...

Sat, 07/05/2014 - 23:30 | 4928128 Miffed Microbio...
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Damn! We love Pagosa Springs and Durango. We have considered selling our ranch in Wa and house in San Diego and relocating. Everyone has been always kind and very welcoming to us there and we felt we had found some kindred spirits. Of course we were looking for a small house or log cabin on some acreage with hopefully an established garden and greenhouse. Maybe if we had asked where the 5k sq ft mansions and country club were located we would have received a different vibe.

Miffed;-)

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 08:14 | 4928606 nmewn
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Miffed, I see you've antagonized a couple people.

Well done ;-)

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 13:04 | 4929153 Miffed Microbio...
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Yes, I am quite relieved actually. I was afraid I had been branded Prissy Prim Pollyanna. Finally I can feel like one of the gang after 2 long years. ;-)

Miffed;-)

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 10:06 | 4928765 sylviasays
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"Damn! We love Pagosa Springs and Durango. We have considered selling our ranch in Wa and house in San Diego and relocating."

Why not keep the house in San Diego? Obama is sending you some new neighbors and you are sure to love them. 


Sun, 07/06/2014 - 11:36 | 4928965 First There Is ...
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Thank you for clearing that up. Native Coloradan here and I can concur wholeheartedly that we fucking loathe most Californians who have singlehandedly turned this state into a political cesspool

Sat, 07/05/2014 - 22:41 | 4928045 25or6to4
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@ Miffed
That's exactly what happened to Delaware. Assholes from NJ and NY all moved here during housing boom when they sold their 1200 sq ft brownstone for a million dollars. Delaware used to be a quiet backwater sanctuary south of I95, now we are no different than NJ,NY MD ect. I can't wait to get out of this place. Just about any country will do.

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 01:40 | 4928334 goldpercent
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I think the folks from Colorado had a hard time accepting the Texan skiers.  Obviously, they can't ski, but they would either have awesome new equipment, or even dumber, would be skiing in bluejeans.  I was one of the kids in bluejeans.  I think the Coloradans have lightened up, or maybe the Californians just presented bigger problems.  I just ejected from NY/NJ.  Wow, what a mess.  And, with Lou Reed passing away, it's lost its luster.  Still some good folks there, but they're on autopilot. Can't seem to accept that the party is over.  The East Village died a long time ago.  Remember when Giuliani used a tank to clear Tompkins Square Park in '95?  That should have been my cue.  But no, recall I skied in bluejeans.  And I get it, it's not like it was easy to figure out how to live there.  But my friends, turn out the lights.

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 11:43 | 4928980 First There Is ...
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Grew up in SW Colorado near Telluride. We used to see lots of big Texas dollars in that area. Drove up prices on the most cherished real estate and brought a lot of extremism where CO was generally a more moderately conservative place. Hunters still do bring money but locals clear the hills when they know Texans will be on the prowl (for other dumb, eager to kill something - ANYTHING - including humans type hunters). Texan on Texan accidental shootings were a regular occurrence sadly. Now, CO yearns for people to balance out the CA dipshits ultra liberalism. My how times have changed.

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 15:47 | 4929515 Miffed Microbio...
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I have to agree with you. I was sitting in the hot springs in Pagosa when I over heard a couple of Texans talking. " I heard him rustling in the bushes so I just kept shooting." Damn near flipped. That idiot could have shot his buddy taking a piss. I came back to the condo and announced I had changed my mind and cancelled my hike. The locals told me as a joke a cattle farmer spray painted " cow" in hunter orange on his steers every year. I don't think it was a joke.

Miffed;-)

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 00:44 | 4930789 Freddie
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Telluride = gorgeous country.  I went skiing for a week there and Copper Mountain and surrounding area.  The locals were very nice and I go out of my way to be a very nice guest when visiting other pplaces.  

Sad that CO has changed.  I love the place.   The Californians or really way back vermin from NYC and the (NE) east coast who ruined Calif paradise just moved on like locust or the ***king plague to CO, OR, WA and other parts.  These libturds are a cancer on humanity.  Americans, in general, want to be left the F alone and these fascist leftists want to control everyone.  

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 02:51 | 4928387 El Vaquero
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I've had a thing against Arizonians lately. Redflex, the red light camera company is from Arizona, and that's who the local municipalities used.  The local mental health places got shut down recently for an "investigation" into financial wrongdoing.  Shit was sealed, the investigation turned up nothing, and the people running it were kicked out.  Before it was all said and done, NM paid money to an AZ company to run the system.  Of course, the company had previously donated generously to the governor's campaign.  (Yes, I hate the governor too.)  Then, an AZ development company shut down the Rio Puerco so that that they can develop a community for 80,000k people where the water needs to be pumped from wells several thousand feet deep, then desalinated.  They're going to lose their asses, but places where it's not clear whether it's public or private are getting shut down for a fucking pipe dream real estate investment.

 

But good fucking luck finding me when I'm down there.  While the guys are not on Snoopy Rock and are about 1/4 mile north of it, I've gone up this shit.  And the other trails down there are up cool canyons and shit:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9A6pUNYO_Q

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 01:10 | 4928307 No Motto
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The sign said: "Don't Californicate Oregon."

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 09:55 | 4928745 auntiesocial
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drive any day on the 210 in Pasadena during traffic. look at who else you see on the freeway. It ain't Ken and Barbie.

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 10:07 | 4928766 auntiesocial
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I knew things were bad when I went into L.A. fitness and everyone in the weight room looked liked they just got released from San Quentin. Seriously. I really believe I got to experience the best years in SoCal before the whole thing went to hell. Even in HB. Old grey mare ain't what she used to be. It makes me want to barf now. vote for Pedro!

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 10:54 | 4928874 sylviasays
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"Seriously. I really believe I got to experience the best years in SoCal before the whole thing went to hell. Even in HB."

Huntington Beach used to be a laid back SoCal beach city but has now become a slightly more upscale version of Tijuana without the donkey shows. 

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 14:49 | 4929394 Hovel Downs
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Sign said, welcome to Oregon now go home

Sat, 07/05/2014 - 21:54 | 4927931 yellencrash
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If they're community organizers, Illinois.

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 00:09 | 4928214 Anusocracy
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Is community organizer a euphemism for forager?

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 02:20 | 4928371 StychoKiller
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No, it's a euphemism for FSA drill sargeant!

Sat, 07/05/2014 - 22:16 | 4927992 Thirtyseven
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Seems like a lot of western states are having a problem with California transplants.  Idaho, Colorado, Nevada and Arizona among them.  I've been to 40 states so far and have gotten to talk with people, including business owners and people who pay attention to local politics (who claim the Calis are bringing their own failed politics with them).

I wonder why they seem to skip over Utah though.  Weird.  Marylander by the way.  The water here is beautiful and we used to have good crabbing, oystering and fishing, and our low mountains are pretty, but...I just have no trust in state government and increasingly with my own local government which was traditionally pretty good here.  I also have little confidence in much of the population: very high percentages of welfare queens as well as government "workers."

 

Sat, 07/05/2014 - 22:55 | 4928070 25or6to4
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Are you kidding me? Maryland is welfare central . Where do you think the majority of federal taxes goes to? Isn't it 8 of 10 richest counties in US in Maryland and N Virgina?

Sat, 07/05/2014 - 23:15 | 4928105 Thirtyseven
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Did I not state that?  Several huge defense contractors located here.  I'm against corporate welfare as much as I'm against welfare to the bottom feeders.

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 00:10 | 4928213 JLee2027
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Are you kidding me? Maryland is welfare central.

Government central, yes. But the beltway that circles Washington DC is stuffed by private companies who live off Government contracts, we call them beltway bandits.

It'll probably look like Detroit in a couple years.

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 00:05 | 4928206 seek
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Isn't that the truth!

It's funny, I've talked to Cali transplants here, and their first piece of advice for other Californians that move to Arizona is to get your license plates changed ASAP because the Californians are so universally hated here that driving with Cali tags is an invitation to be abused.

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 00:31 | 4928246 Miffed Microbio...
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For the most part Seek Californians like Zonies except please stay off the freeways during rush hour! Dear God you drive way too slow. 55 mph in the second lane and we're all plowing past on either side going 80. Every year we cringe at the invasion at summertime and the obstacle course you cause.

But maybe I'm just jealous you get the pleasure of visiting and don't have to deal with the never ending crap one must endure living here.

Miffed;-)

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