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What Your "Startlingly Intimate, Voyeristic" NSA File Looks Like

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A few days ago, we asked a simple rhetorical question: "Are you targeted by the NSA?"

The answer, sadly for those reading this, is very likely yes, as it was revealed that as part of the NSA's XKeyscore program "a computer network exploitation system, as described in an NSA presentation, devoted to gathering nearly everything a user does on the internet" all it takes for a user to be flagged by America's superspooks is to go to a website the NSA finds less than "patriotic" and that user becomes a fixture for the NSA's tracking algos.

So assuming one is being tracked by the NSA - or as it is also known for politically correct reasons "intercepted" - as a "person of interest" or worse, just what kind of data does the NSA collect? The latest report by the WaPo titled "In NSA-intercepted data, those not targeted far outnumber the foreigners who are" sheds much needed light on just how extensive the NSA's data collection effort is.

According to WaPo, the files on intercepted Americans "have a startlingly intimate, even voyeuristic quality. They tell stories of love and heartbreak, illicit sexual liaisons, mental-health crises, political and religious conversions, financial anxieties and disappointed hopes. The daily lives of more than 10,000 account holders who were not targeted are catalogued and recorded nevertheless."

The Post reviewed roughly 160,000 intercepted e-mail and instant-message conversations, some of them hundreds of pages long, and 7,900 documents taken from more than 11,000 online accounts.

Remember when the NSA said they only target foreigners, and only those who are of particular actionable interest? They lied.

Nine of 10 account holders found in a large cache of intercepted conversations, which former NSA contractor Edward Snowden provided in full to The Post, were not the intended surveillance targets but were caught in a net the agency had cast for somebody else.

 

Many of them were Americans. Nearly half of the surveillance files, a strikingly high proportion, contained names, e-mail addresses or other details that the NSA marked as belonging to U.S. citizens or residents. NSA analysts masked, or “minimized,” more than 65,000 such references to protect Americans’ privacy, but The Post found nearly 900 additional e-mail addresses, unmasked in the files, that could be strongly linked to U.S. citizens or U.S.residents.

Going back to "your" file:

Taken together, the files offer an unprecedented vantage point on the changes wrought by Section 702 of the FISA amendments, which enabled the NSA to make freer use of methods that for 30 years had required probable cause and a warrant from a judge. One program, code-named PRISM, extracts content stored in user accounts at Yahoo, Microsoft, Facebook, Google and five other leading Internet companies. Another, known inside the NSA as Upstream, intercepts data on the move as it crosses the U.S. junctions of global voice and data networks.

It gets worse, because that bed-wetting habit you kicked in the 2nd grade? The NSA knows all about it.

Among the latter are medical records sent from one family member to another, résumés from job hunters and academic transcripts of schoolchildren. In one photo, a young girl in religious dress beams at a camera outside a mosque.

 

Scores of pictures show infants and toddlers in bathtubs, on swings, sprawled on their backs and kissed by their mothers. In some photos, men show off their physiques. In others, women model lingerie, leaning suggestively into a webcam or striking risque poses in shorts and bikini tops.

How many Americans may be tracked by the NSA at any one time? Turns out ther answer is lots:

The Obama administration declines to discuss the scale of incidental collection. The NSA, backed by Director of National Intelligence James R. Clapper Jr., has asserted that it is unable to make any estimate, even in classified form, of the number of Americans swept in. It is not obvious why the NSA could not offer at least a partial count, given that its analysts routinely pick out “U.S. persons” and mask their identities, in most cases, before distributing intelligence reports.

 

If Snowden’s sample is representative, the population under scrutiny in the PRISM and Upstream programs is far larger than the government has suggested. In a June 26 “transparency report,” the Office of the Director of National Intelligence disclosed that 89,138 people were targets of last year’s collection under FISA Section 702. At the 9-to-1 ratio of incidental collection in Snowden’s sample, the office’s figure would correspond to nearly 900,000 accounts, targeted or not, under surveillance.

And tangentially, for those who are urging the NSA to release Lois Lerner's emails, all it would take are a few keystrokes:

If I had wanted to pull a copy of a judge’s or a senator’s e-mail, all I had to do was enter that selector into XKEYSCORE,” one of the NSA’s main query systems, [Edward Snowden] said.

What the file would likely reveal is all the dirt the US intelligence apparatus had on said (Supreme Court) judge or senator, or IRS employee. After all, what better way to keep the system of "checks and balances" in check than to have dirt on all the key places of leverage.

The WaPo has released a sterilized example of what a "target package" looks like for any given individual.

All of the above would be stunning... if it wasn't for a culture in which FaceBook has made the exhibitionist stripping of one's privacy and disclosure of every last piece of "intimate" personal information a daily chore. It is in this world, sadly, where the most recent confirmation of just how expansive Big Brother is, will merely be granted with a yawn by the vast majority of the population.

Finally, here's a thought for the cash-strapped US government: when the Fed is no longer able to monetize the US deficit, the NSA can just hire Goldman to IPO the NSA "social network." It should raise at least a few hundred billion in cash.

 

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Sun, 07/06/2014 - 11:59 | 4929012 praxis
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Stasi, eat your heart out...

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 12:01 | 4929017 Newsboy
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Can I get mine through a Freedom of Information request?

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 12:11 | 4929037 RevRex
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Mine says "tells truth about why 2nd Amendment is in U.S. Constitution".....

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 12:20 | 4929066 Four chan
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mine says desires to blow up the fed with a dirty bomb while snorting anthrax and listening to megadeath.

and mass murdering a crave case of sliders in my nuclear powered car alciada would love because its a 

toyota and looks like a wmd hit it with a licence plate saying dont tread on me from the militia state.

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 12:35 | 4929098 indio007
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It's Megadeth , poser.

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 12:45 | 4929116 Payne
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WHAT MOST PEOPLE MISS IS THAT YOU CAN JUST AS EASILY CREATE A COMPLETELY BOGUS FACEBOOK PAGE WITH YOUR COMPLETELY INACCURATE INFORMATION.  FLOOD THE NSA WITH WORTHLESS GARBAGE INFORMATION, THEY DO NOT TAKE THE TIME TO DISCRIMINATE, THEY DO NOT HAVE THE EMPLOYEES.

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 12:52 | 4929133 Troy Ounce
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Well, the NSA is, together with FaceBook, Microsoft, Google, etc, a subsidary of the US Department of Defense.

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 13:01 | 4929147 sleigher
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Is it true that the word viagra in emails triggers their (NSA) filters?  

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 13:38 | 4929233 Gen. Keith Alexander
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Folks, I'm booking speaking engagements where I discuss the future of cyber-security.  Please google my name and contact my people if you have interest.

I also have a book deal in the works!

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 13:43 | 4929244 TeamDepends
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Shoot, one time I poured mustard on myself and screamed, "I'm the god damn Mustard Man!"  Hope they don't have that.

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 14:06 | 4929302 amusedobserver
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They do now.

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 14:18 | 4929321 Troll Magnet
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Let's not forget who also has unfettered access to all this data: ISRAEL.

You know, because they own America..err, I mean, they're our best friends.

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 14:20 | 4929332 Headbanger
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The terrorists won.

Again.

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 14:23 | 4929336 Caviar Emptor
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Funny that the Tea Party glorifies what really was A False Flag Operation: American colonists dressed as Indians attacking British private property.

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 14:33 | 4929353 TeamDepends
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Here's your British private property right here: http://clk.about.com/?zi=13/1tO&ity=boostOrg&o=0&eng=boost&zu=http://712...

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 17:02 | 4929691 SWRichmond
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They (NSA) hate us for our freedom.

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 17:50 | 4929813 Scarlett
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So, how did the Stazi boys end up once again?  

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 19:58 | 4930132 COSMOS
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http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=acd_1404312664

Thank god my face was not showing in this video, but I will never know what the security camera footage shows from the club, I hear the NSA has a direct link to it.

At least we all know or home computer video cams and microphone are compromised by the NSA even when they are turned 'off'

Thank god for my constitutional rights and all the govt employees who have sworn to uphold them.

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 20:50 | 4930263 chumbawamba
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Actually, I saw your face a bunch of times when the camera zoomed in on you going down variously.

Don't worry, your secret is safe with me, ZH, and the NSA.

I am Chumabwamba.

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 22:01 | 4930382 COSMOS
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Should I tell them I bit off your little prick, or do you want to bill that to your insurance company as the sex change operation you always wanted Mr. -wanka?  You can write off the trip to Mallorca and the club surgery/trauma as health related expenses on your taxes for your permanent -wanked off job.

You are ChumbNoWanka

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 23:49 | 4930707 chumbawamba
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Haha, you got owned, you little tink.

I am Chumbawamba.

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 07:08 | 4931067 GetZeeGold
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Could we please see Obama's file?

 

I'd finally like to know what I'm really dealing with here.

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 01:57 | 4930860 MeBizarro
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The US Constitution applies to FSB employees and/or affliates?  Who knew. 

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 18:34 | 4929940 cynicalskeptic
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what freedom?

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 22:46 | 4930570 jeff montanye
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 the one(s) they took which they hated (freedom from unwarranted search, freedom of speech and assembly, rights to due process and speedy criminal trial by jury, among others)  

the u.s.a. was never the paradise of liberty that the propaganda made it out to be, but things, ironically, have truly gotten worse since "we" "won" the "cold war".  the mic and the national security state needed a new reason for being. israel had helpful suggestions. in finding it,via 9-11, they found they could strip the constitiution bare and install a real fascist state. 

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 16:44 | 4929642 TheReplacement
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A false flag means an attempt to frame another party for the action.

The patriots dressed as indians were not trying to frame the indians.  They were trying to hide their identity.

You need to go to another school.  Your professors are lying to you.  You are being ripped off of your tuition. 

If you are not a student, my apologies.  I gave you the benefit of the doubt.  In this case, go to hell you lying piece of shit.  Maybe by the time you get there you can keep that traitor Alexander company.

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 08:25 | 4931186 shovelhead
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They attacked the tax that was going to be attached to that private property once it left the ship, thereby making it a public matter.

The attempt to disguise themselves as Indians was to cover their faces in paint thus avoiding detection of their true identities. Some colonists wore no disguise at all as a symbol of defiance. It was not an attempt to blame Indians. Nobody would believe that one for an instant.

In fact, the new Tea Act of 1773 would lower tea prices to match Dutch smugglers tea prices who paid no tax but in return, gave a monopoly to East India Co.s importation of tea to the colonies but with the old Townsend Acts tea tax intact. The monopoly aspect was another colonist complaint adding fuel to the fire.

The issue wasn't the cost of tea, but the same old complaint of Parliament's levying taxes without colonist representation in that body.

The modern Tea Party's appropriation of that symbolic act is quite proper when one considers that no true representation of the will of the people exists in Washington today.

You disagree?

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 14:27 | 4929345 Manthong
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The fact that Clapper (amongst others) is not behind bars right now is an insult to the concept of justice in the United States (not to mention an insult to Martha Stewart).

 

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 14:47 | 4929390 Gaius Frakkin' ...
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"justice in the United States"

Hahaha... good one.

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 17:30 | 4929754 Nick Jihad
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It's now spelled "Just-us". 

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 04:12 | 4930942 CCanuck
Sun, 07/06/2014 - 16:05 | 4929551 silver4me
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@Gen. Keith Alexander

My take is you're working for .gov still or just trying to make more $ talking and writing books. Would you not be a terrorist if you leaked anything that was secret?

I really hope you are doing this for the people in your country rather than the few who run it.

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 16:54 | 4929666 TheReplacement
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General Alexander and James Clapper ran organizations that have violated the constitution they swore an oath to uphold and protect.  They have terrorized the world with their big brother technology and all seeing eye.  They have participated in operations that ultimately led to the execution, without trial or charge, of American citizens.  They have violated untold millions of human rights. 

Ipso facto, General Alexander and James Clapper are terrorists.  As such, it is clearly legal to exectute them without trial, as per President Obama's previous examples.

Is there any flaw in this logic?

 

 

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 17:00 | 4929684 Manthong
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Nope.

See HH below..  against all enemies, foreign and domestic;”

They are domestic enemies, not of the State but of the Constitution.

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 17:29 | 4929753 TeamDepends
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While it's true Clapper fails miserably as a government automaton, it can not be denied he was a genius inventor.http://www.ask.com/youtube?q=%22clapper%22+commercial&v=Ny8-G8EoWOw&qsrc...

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 17:09 | 4929708 BraveSirRobin
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Did not the Supreme Court find a right to "privacy" in Roe vs. Wade? So, this right to privacy only extends to abortion, but in no other sphere of life? 

I am tired of all the double speak and hypocracy. Oh, and Clapper has lied to congress on multiple occassion. I would either have him arrested by Capitol police next time he set foot in congress, and/or impeach him and have him removed from office. 

Finally, if some one is a lawyer, I thought it was illegal for the NSA to collect information of on US citizens within the United States. That was the perview of the FBI, and they needed a warrant.

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 22:40 | 4930552 disabledvet
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This is an interesting question/point actually. "Do you have a right to be safe in your personage" and under Roe v Wade one could argue indeed "women do."

We still have to start getting all the facts vis a vis the purpose behind all this mass data collection...how and in what form it is shared and with whom for example.

"Information exchanges" have been around since the 80's. Are we gambling on nuclear aircraft carriers and "troop dispositions" now?

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 17:53 | 4929823 Chupacabra-322
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@ The Replacement,

You can throw Criminal at large Michael Hayden into that mix. Wonder where his next "speaking" engagement is at ?

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 22:21 | 4930495 dellievan
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Could we honest citizens be heartened by the fact that pre 9-11  .gov was collecting minimal data on it's populace.  In fact  .gov was vigorously given information about a select group of Saudi's who were being instructed on flight simulator jet take offs,  but emphatically resisting landing instruction.

I think we overestimate the competence of our dear leaders.  The Utah filing cabinet is essentially a needle in 100,000 hay stacks technology.

 All the bad ones they will get for their hundereds of billions will be the likes of the idiot pressure cooker bombers.  (said with deep respect for the victims of that incident)

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 22:48 | 4930573 disabledvet
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The argument here seems to be "ignore the media" as well. He whole basis of an information exchange is to break down the barrier between the. Government and the loonies in charge of time warner etc. "just call it sharing."

Only a fool pays for cable. The jury is still out on AT&T et al...but they all have admitted to spying on foreign nationals "for their Government" as well as being forced into the data gathering business by these same Governments.

These are private networks...recognized in law as such and subject to probable cause and the need to obtain a search warrant. Is the probable cause "the Taliban might be here"???

That sounds like Chief Justice Taney to me.

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 22:31 | 4930527 TheReplacement
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I was only speaking hypothetically of course.  Remember, they were only following orders and we all know from history that it is okay to do anything if you are following orders.

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 17:28 | 4929749 Phuk u
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No they just stiffen up a little.

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 20:33 | 4930216 Frankie Carbone
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Conjunctions such as 

AND,

BUT,

OR, 

trigger NSA sensors, as does using more than one period or comma in a post or email. 

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 13:31 | 4929152 hedgeless_horseman
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America was supposed to be a Constitutional Republic, governed by laws such as The Constitution.  Here is the Fourth Amendment of the Bill of Rights:

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Const...

 

Considering the Congressional Oath of Office....

I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter: So help me God.

 

http://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/common/briefing/Oath_Office....

Or these United States Military oaths...

"I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God." (Title 10, US Code; Act of 5 May 1960 replacing the wording first adopted in 1789, with amendment effective 5 October 1962).

 

"I, _____ (SSAN), having been appointed an officer in the Army of the United States, as indicated above in the grade of _____ do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office upon which I am about to enter; So help me God." (DA Form 71, 1 August 1959, for officers.)

 

 

http://www.history.army.mil/html/faq/oaths.html

 

It appears that our congressional leaders and military officers, such as General Keith Alexander and his comrades, have failed us all in the worst of ways.

I don't know what my NSA profile says, nor do I really care, because at least I didn't swear to God to support and defend the Fourth Amendment, then spend my career destroying it, like General Alexander.

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 13:35 | 4929226 Squid Viscous
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but...NINE ELEVEN!!!!

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 13:39 | 4929230 hedgeless_horseman
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Why wasn't the NSA tracking the Five Dancing Israelis?

The New York Times reported Thursday that a group of five men had set up video cameras aimed at the Twin
Towers prior to the attack on Tuesday, and were seen congratulating one another afterwards.

 

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/fiveisraelis.html

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 13:44 | 4929247 Skateboarder
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Why would you suspect your friends? ;-)

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 13:47 | 4929255 jbvtme
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how would you like to invite that guy to babysit your kids?

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 13:55 | 4929270 Skateboarder
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Dawg I was talking about the dancing is-real?eez. You do send them your taxes every year. Are you saying they are not your friends?

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 17:46 | 4929786 Tall Tom
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Your source s from ABC News...an MSM Propaganda outlet.

 

It states,

"Sources also said that even if the men were spies, there is no evidence to conclude they had advance knowledge of the terrorist attacks on Sept. 11. The investigation, at the end of the day, after all the polygraphs, all of the field work, all the cross-checking, the intelligence work, concluded that they probably did not have advance knowledge of 9/11," Cannistraro noted."

 

From...

https://wikispooks.com/wiki/9/11:Israel_did_it

 

They [Three of the Five Dancing Israelis] later appeared on an Israeli talk show and claimed that they were in NYC that morning "to document the event". Witnesses reported they had set cameras PRIOR to the first plane strike, and were seen congratulating one another afterward. The five jubilant Israelis were also seen photographing one another. The FBI seized and developed their photos, one of which shows Sivan Kurzberg flicking a cigarette lighter in front of the smoldering ruins in an apparently celebratory gesture.

 

Now I could dismiss this as some sort of "Conspiracy Theory". But I'd have a problem...AS I WATCHED THAT MOSSAD AGENT ADMIT IT ON THE ISRAELI TALK SHOW.

 

Here it is on YouTube for your viewing pleasure...

 

http://youtu.be/rStJ5BgadPs

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 06:13 | 4931027 HamFistedIdiot
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Thank you Tom for taking the time to present this information. I get tired dealing with trolls/idiots/the ignorant. There are still minds out there to save. Rehashing what should already be widely known can be tedious. Thank you for rolling up your sleeves and sharing the Truth again. Peace

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 13:48 | 4929259 TeamDepends
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Look at all the "flair" on his uniform.  He obviously cares a lot.

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 13:55 | 4929272 Skateboarder
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Penis missing from mouth.

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 16:24 | 4929598 Crawdaddy
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 "I do want to express myself, okay. And I don't need 37 pieces of flair to do it."

http://flipping-off.blogspot.com/2010/07/office-space.html

 

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 13:48 | 4929251 jbvtme
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moved

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 14:04 | 4929296 Squid Viscous
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and why were they released, without being waterboarded, at least?

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 18:51 | 4929974 Atomizer
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The real question, why hasn't NSA prevented any new terrorism; both domestic and abroad? 

Answer: The Zionist Jews would be exposed. 

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 19:02 | 4929999 Atomizer
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Israel can always open a new pizza franchise in United States. 

They can smuggle under Intel. Papa Joo's. The best hot oven pizzas around. 

Everything is widely open. We cannot spoon feed you. Grow up and become an adult.

 

 

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 14:04 | 4929294 Millivanilli
Sun, 07/06/2014 - 17:44 | 4929793 tenpanhandle
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If one would check back at all previous mass shootings, and I mean all,  one would see that many people were wounded in each incident.  Some have more wounded than killed.  What about Sandy Hook?  26 killed 0 wounded.  Why?  Worlds greatest shot?  No.  Wounded people end up in hospitals and leave a trail of evidence.  Sandy Hook was indeed Sandy Hoax.

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 06:16 | 4931030 HamFistedIdiot
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Where are the surveillance tapes? Locked up under national security. What were the Blackwater types doing in the forested area surrounding the school that morning? There are fewer and fewer sheep that this bullshit works with anymore.

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 13:37 | 4929231 JLee2027
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Great post.

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 14:04 | 4929297 tarsubil
Sun, 07/06/2014 - 14:52 | 4929404 Duffy
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But straight white {nominally} Christian men drafted the Constitution. 

Who has been more under attack since the mid-60s than "them."  That was right about the time that the immigration laws were changed, laws, whether you like them or not, pretty obviously designed to change the demographics of the country.

And disproportionately represented in passing that legislation, were the same people who were disproportionately represented at the Treaty of Versailles, and Nuremburg Trials, and indeed, on Wall Street and in the Fed today.

Anyway, for all the talk of the "luciferians" and "illuminati" few wonder about the fate of the Bolsheviks...  indeed, much of what is called for by the likes of those who opened the borders to the 3rd world is a destruction of national identities, and a subservient working class, all "equal" in misery and dependence, and ruled by a small clique of powerful men.

 

Hence, in a way, those claiming Obama is a "communist" are almost there.  He, and the Chicago cabal that installed him into power are really neo-Bolsheviks, and if you know anything about the leaders of the Bolshevik revolution [and the failed 1907 revolution in Russia and the failed revolution in Germany, and the successful one in Hungary] - you know "who" will be destined to be the small clique.

 

 

 

 

 

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 17:41 | 4929784 Nick Jihad
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Yes, Jews were well-represented in the Bolshevik core, but the words "destined to be the small clique" don't make sense. Maybe the jewish bolsheviks thought of themselves as an in-group within the Bolshevik leadership, but that didn't stop them being purged.

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 14:00 | 4929281 Pairadimes
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I would be shocked to learn that this treasure trove of blackmail material is not already being used by government officials with or without sanction to achieve personal or political objectives. It is simply too great a temptation for immoral people.

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 14:38 | 4929370 McMolotov
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Like I said the other day:

Information is power. The Deep State "owns" politicians, high-level bureaucrats, etc. because of what it knows about them. It's been that way for quite a while. This new leap in pervasive universal surveillance is a way to make sure absolutely everyone is "owned" so that pressure can be brought to bear on them if necessary.

If I were looking to construct a police state, this is exactly what I'd be doing.

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 16:52 | 4929660 Crawdaddy
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Acxiom Corp had data covering every US man, woman and child a decade ago. I saw it in 2004. I gaurantee it has details now that were a pipe dream back then. At the time, it took them 27 hours to update their data with fresh info. By 2005 they got it down to 20 minutes. By now its likely near real time.

http://money.cnn.com/2013/09/05/pf/acxiom-consumer-data/index.html

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 13:10 | 4929169 Luckhasit
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Shhh.

Alot of us are already doing that. 

Don't give up our secret.

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 13:24 | 4929205 NOZZLE
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Friend Johnnie Flukie Redding anytime

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 13:32 | 4929219 Miffed Microbio...
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This is actually the best course of action. Create hundreds of Facebook pages with all the terrorist key words. Then create hundreds of pages with kittens and Pinterest links. They will counter balance themselves and the trend line will have a nice slope of 1.0. Overwhelm the system to make it useless. Where have we seen this tactic recently? Time for the ants to fight back.

Miffed;-)

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 17:43 | 4929792 Nick Jihad
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And, be sure to use online handles that will get their attention, thereby forcing the NSA drudges to read through all of your tiresome opinions on politics and political enonomy.

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 18:02 | 4929845 Tall Tom
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THe problem with your tactic is that they can trace the originating IP of the multiple accounts directly back to you. Do not think that they do not.

 

Even Forum Operators will block ranges of IPs in order to ban participants from publishing and have that capability.

 

I have first hand experience and had to convince a Rocketry Forum that I was who I was in order to post as someone near me had abused their forum.

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 18:18 | 4929884 Miffed Microbio...
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I will have to consult w/ Mr on this subject. Considering he is building Skynet, he should have a good idea how to destroy it. In my experience, it is never wise to piss off or challenge a programmer.

Miffed;-)

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 22:12 | 4930466 Mr.Miffed
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It's quite straight forward to use inexpensive VPN services to setup multiple differing source IP addresses so that they can't detect a common source. Each VPN would appear from another state or country.

Just like the trolls at zerohedge the accounts need to be setup over a period of time and fed with activity to appear to be real and active. Many viruses infect the computer to provide a platform for being able to reach out as a proxy to the master of the infection.

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 02:04 | 4930865 Tall Tom
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Noted and thanks.

Tue, 07/08/2014 - 20:59 | 4937825 mkkby
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Nope.  Major fail. Read on.

Each PC/phone/tablet has a unique MAC address associated with the hardware network card.  You can change your i/p address all you want, but the MAC address still identifies your unique machine.

Once your mac address is tied to your real name, everything in the database matches up your internet history to you personally.  That is why it is very important not to use your devices on wifi networks or internet routers other than your own.  The wifi network captures your mac address.  Off to the NSA it goes.

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 22:15 | 4930479 conscious being
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You are right M&M.  If you can spread your activity over multiple unrelated IPs, they would need something in the content or meta data of your activity to tie one thread to another, ie. Don't logon to the same ZH account, email address, or conduct the same browsing pattern from your different IP@s.

Don't have the billing for the various IP connection tie back to you.  Where I live, they still have these things called internet cafes.

Good luck and happy surfing.

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 14:37 | 4929365 SilverDOG
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E M P.

The great equilizer.

Sent to all from Ra, the Sun God.

I am waiting, damn it !

Now please.

 

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 17:30 | 4929756 Phuk u
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Payne you can also invite the friends you want to invite without anyone else finding you.

No need to shout Payne.

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 18:48 | 4929968 MrBoompi
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What you probably don't know is the NSA knows exactly who is setting up false accounts. Our intelligence agencies are engaged in clearly illegal activity. When asked about, even under oath, they lie. Also clearly illegal. And nothing happens. So what does this tell us? The laws of the US do nor pertain to the US government. The oligarchs run the show, and they will do anything they can to protect themselves and their money. Anything.

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 22:23 | 4930505 conscious being
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Mr. B. - the NSA knows exactly who is setting up false accounts

What is a 'false account'?  If one is careful, you can conduct activity that cannot be tied back to you.

That's a fact.  Take it from me.  I used to work there.

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 02:07 | 4930866 Tall Tom
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Once NSA...always NSA.

 

Take note people.

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 23:45 | 4930699 Hugh_Jorgan
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In seemingly unrelated news... Megadeth are posers as well.

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 08:56 | 4931245 shovelhead
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They make real noise. What's to fake?

You sell em what they want.

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 12:13 | 4929042 RafterManFMJ
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Please not to worry, when the balloon goes up the NSA and DHS will be SURE to see that you get yours.

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 12:47 | 4929121 MayIMommaDogFac...
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 After all, what better way to keep the system of "checks and balances" in check than to have dirt on all the key places of leverage.

Bingo!  So many people just cannot conceive of this possibly being true.

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 13:01 | 4929146 sushi
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Due to the way the comment system interacts with font choice, the leading italics in your post make it impossible to up or down vote.

So I'm giving you an upvote with this post.

Cheers!

PS

Second major benefit of NSA is the economic intelligence that permits the US to out manouvre all foreign competition. Since the big corporations are aware of this they have an incentive to play along with NSA to your detriment.

 

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 14:00 | 4929287 BurningFuld
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From now on I'm just taking pictures of my hairy ass and posting them.

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 18:32 | 4929850 boattrash
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So, does the sexual aspect of the data include the Gay BDSM Incestuous Sodomy, as we are all together being Forcefully ASS-RAPED by  our beloved Uncle Sam? Can you hear the Screams?

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 19:00 | 4929997 Chupacabra-322
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The Moloch Worshipping Boheivian Grove Types would get off on it.

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 12:15 | 4929047 disabledvet
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Or maybe the file they have on your boss...or that girl you want to date!

I mean just exactly how is our life being planned out here? Are there "interventions" based upon said data? Is the result of the programming the deletion of humans? I really get the feeling someone built a freight train with no conductor and just "let this thing loose upon the world."

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 19:48 | 4930105 Stalkedbyhackers01
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I was reading some of your stuff and I was wondering who you were refering to when you were talking about someone named Postal Boy. Can you clarify who this is? I'm new to Zerohedge so I'm not in the loop.

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 16:39 | 4929625 TheReplacement
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We can neither confirm nor deny that you have a file. 

It is a matter of national security.  Even admitting that you have a file would give information about our capabilities to the enemy.

Why do you have something to hide?

Are you a terrorist?

Nevermind, your question terrifies us so you have been classified a terrorist.  A drone is on the way.

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 16:51 | 4929659 enforcer92677
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Not sure if you can FOIA NSA stuff.

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 17:03 | 4929696 Crawdaddy
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A close second:

https://www.aboutthedata.com/

Beware though - any corrections you make will be used against you :)

My wife was surprised to see all the junk mail sent to me targeting a non-existant interest in Korean Ballroom dancing. That was my test to see how long it took before that data made it back to me. It took around 3 weeks.

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 12:02 | 4929021 Arrowflinger
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Zh'ers are not putting the correct 'take' on this new age of facebook, NSA voyeurism. It is quickly morphing to such extremes as to be ultimately liberating. The amount of detail becomes overwhelming and it won't take long for all the intimate details of sins, and everybody has tons of those, to have the masses thinking " SO WHAT?" at any previously sordid expose.

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 12:18 | 4929049 duo
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I used a bogus birthday when I created my Facebook account years ago.  I figured why give the Russian Mafia any help stealing my credit info?.

Now I get so many emails on this bogus birtyday (from retailers, friends that know my real birthday, business services, etc) that I'm starting to wonder.  Will my next passport application or credit application be denied because my real birthday doesn't match what the whole world has accepted to be my real one?  Or, when I come back from overseas the NSA/DHS says my birthday doesn't match the real one on my passport?

Scary thought.

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 12:22 | 4929071 Four chan
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i think thats a valid concern. dump face book like the rest of us.

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 12:42 | 4929108 Arrowflinger
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Facebook is the ulitmate tool of the devil and source of more mischief on every level than the NSA can gin up.

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 14:50 | 4929399 Gaius Frakkin' ...
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Any centralized repository of personal data will be abused sooner or later.

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 13:54 | 4929266 duo
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I never log onto it except to complain on Home Depot's FB page.  You never know if avoiding FB completely will attract NSA attention.

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 17:55 | 4929828 Tall Tom
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I avoid Facebook completely and I hope that it has their attention.

 

If everybody did this you can bet that it will get their attention.

 

(Don't woory about the price of FB stock as that will be propped up by the Federal Reserve and the Commercial Banks as they are the only major participants in the Market.)

 

Close your Facebook account today if you have not already.

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 20:04 | 4930149 BigJim
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On Facebook = he's publishing all this shit voluntarily, let's record his data

Never was on Facebook = suspicious. Let's record his data.

Was on Facebook but dropped it = suspicious. Let's record his data.

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 02:12 | 4930868 Tall Tom
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It does not matter to me if they have any information...

 

I want to take them hunting.

 

They like to hunt humans?

 

Here is where I live, NSA pukes...

 

12223B Woodside Ave, Lakeside CA USA

 

Make an example of me...

 

Come on out and let's play.

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 18:18 | 4929885 RafterManFMJ
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i think thats a valid concern. dump face book like the rest of us.

Slow down, cowboy!

Without Facebook, how will I know what female acquaintances have ditched their families for a last hurrah on the cock carrousel?

How will women maintain and increase status without posting vacation pictures and "checking" in at aspirational restaurants like AppleBees and Red Lobster?

How will those single moms generate the illusion of a normal, happy life by posting photos of their sloe eyed bastard spawn, and their own hollow, tired eyes?

How can one get the USDA are recommended dose of 3 year olds doing something so cute or a man taking a nut shot from a baseball?

FaceFuck to me is like a walk thru WalMart - no matter how fucking down my life is I look at the pathetic human debris flailing and drowning in a pile of self-generated feces and I feel renewed, regenerated.

Add a cool black duster and I'd be like Neo strolling through the Matrix.

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 18:31 | 4929929 boattrash
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RafterMan, can't we do all of that here, with the comments and links. All the while, gaining some positive, well-written points as well?

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 13:33 | 4929222 Skateboarder
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Then they will ask you, "why, duo, did you lie about your birthday? That's pretty dang suspicious."

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 22:37 | 4930541 Dragon HAwk
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I gave a fake birth date on a  fishing license the state computer just Auto corrected it

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 12:19 | 4929063 disabledvet
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Becomes predictive you moron. Collection of data is nothing compared to how it's manipulated and turned into a usable "product."

Secret Courts? "Dispensing justice" as well? CRAZY!

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 12:32 | 4929089 Arrowflinger
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Sites like ZH and the alternative media are turning information gathering and presentation of TRUTH into a potent weapon against the manipulators and elites. Ponzi finance and fiat currencies are taking 'money' and financialization to zero, while truth, real things and facts are becoming increasingly valuable.

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 13:41 | 4929238 bycatch
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So then, ZH did me a favor by deleting my original account?

 

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 13:58 | 4929277 toady
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Nothing is ever deleted. It's in the cloud, waiting for someone to use it against you.

Kinda makes me hope for a worldwide EMP

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 14:50 | 4929402 ThirteenthFloor
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When digital replaced analog audio, that means it can be edited to make you say anything they like.

Re: Global EMP....I wonder what was in that little metal box the Chinese left on the moon.

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 21:01 | 4930279 PrintemDano
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False!  Lois Lerner's Emails are gone....forever...

 

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 12:28 | 4929085 Raging Debate
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Arrowflinger - I have said this more than once here so I'll be brief. The Internet is a giant mirror no one can escape from. Those that spent years working on themselves and looking into them will fare better in the turbulence. But a lot of people that do not wish to evolve are going to have a hard time being forced to look into that mirror.

I disagree with your premise about sins and "nobody caring." The information has been and will be used against you, not just government but your peers. People are judgemental and quite often hypocrites. Even when your trying to look after people they will tend to focus on your deficiencies to eye you as prey.

Be wise as a serpent gentle as a dove. Great advice more easily said than acted upon but beneficial nonetheless.

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 12:39 | 4929105 Arrowflinger
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Too late for that, I am afraid. Things have 'progressed' to the point where perhaps only laughter works.

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 15:16 | 4929442 Raging Debate
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Arrowflinger - A little fear keeps one safer.

"Embrace the horror and moral terror"

Colonel Kurtz

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 14:04 | 4929299 toady
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Just look at that dude that's in the news for frying his kid in the car. Sexting, how to survive in prison, child-free living... I'm waiting for the"doomer pornography on ZH" revelation!

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 12:56 | 4929109 rwe2late
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 Arrow,

 Are you really so naive as to be unaware of the current ability of computers and computer programs to store, categorize, organize, classify, prepare reports, search, and recall data?

Are you blithely implying the data needs be hand collected, sorted, and reviewed?

Even current "elementary" spreadsheets and data base programs have extensive power. The NSA computers in Utah have many orders of magnitude greater. Computer programs will cross-reference and make connections to book purchases, donations, memberships, school activities, e-mails, facebook, blog entries, internet comments, relatives, library use, political participation, medical records, credit card usage, etc.

Individuals and/or organizations may still be hand selected and the NSA/'fusion centers' will receive reports.

But more to the point, computer programs will also review files, prepare lists, and make prioritized recommendations of suspected individuals and organizations to be targeted by "fusion centers".

 

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 13:08 | 4929164 FeralSerf
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Apparently the NSA's system doesn't have the ability "to store, categorize, organize, classify, prepare reports, search, and recall data". From the article:

"The NSA, backed by Director of National Intelligence James R. Clapper Jr., has asserted that it is unable to make any estimate, even in classified form, of the number of Americans swept in."

We all know Mr. Clapper wouldn't lie about such a thing.

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 13:49 | 4929260 Arrowflinger
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Perhaps I should have tagged my post as sarcasm, however what force on earth is going to stop NSA/Corporate America/Foreign Governments from assembling these dossiers? And won't it be 'old hat' to the kids of today who seem fearless in the face of all-knowing 'intelligence?' Yes, the near term won't be fun, to day the least. I am pretty damned sure there is one pissed off LEO who has gotten or attempted to get my NSA file. (there being a snowball's chance in hell that I haven't had one for years now, given their criteria)Funny how one ZH post can convert  a 'paranoid conspiracy nut' into "naive."

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 14:55 | 4929410 Duffy
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That thing you saw racing past you was "the point."

If you leave now, you may be able to catch it.

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 12:20 | 4929067 yrad
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<---- has a FB page
<---- no FB page

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 12:35 | 4929100 czarangelus
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It's cute how y'all think just not having a Facebook will protect you in any way, shape, or form. Got a cell phone? A credit card? A laptop with a webcam or mic? Kinekt or PS camera? Have you ever filed a W-2?

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 13:02 | 4929148 Abitdodgie
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I got rid of my cell phone about 12 months ago, and after spending this time without one I would NEVER get another , and you see how many people are Iphone zombies (other makes too) and how they cannot do anything without them , it really is very sad.(never had a Facebook )

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 15:38 | 4929482 Raging Debate
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Abitdodgie - I am commeting using one right now. It allows me to watch Heavy Metal (old good movie day), talk to you and watch my gf naked get out of the shower all at the same time. Plus I still know how to use the power button as a bonus!

Observation: The gossip flows around the secretive.

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 13:33 | 4929220 Robot Traders Mom
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It's cute how y'all think just not having a Facebook will protect you in any way, shape, or form. Got a cell phone? A credit card? A laptop with a webcam or mic? Kinekt or PS camera? Have you ever filed a W-2? 

 

Well said. There is no way to effectively get off the grid. You can limit your use but that will only raise red flags with the PTB (although I do support those trying). 

 

People need to start asking questions when the state-run media pimps stories like Snowden. The 'liberty' community is eating this shit up with a spoon. Did anyone on ZH really not know that the government was spying on us before Snowden's 'leaks'? How many ranking US or Israeli officials have been sent to prison, let alone been fired or forced to resign? Even Watergate sent people to jail. All this has done is let the people know that the government is watching and we need to mind our P's and Q's. It will be interesting when Russia figures out they were handed a flash drive full of bullshit and disinfo. 

 

It is fascinating people think the US government would never do this or doesn't perform psy ops on its citzens. They are sociopathic beyond belief and will stop at nothing to enslave us. Look for Snowden to leave Russia sooner rather than later and end up with a US 'ally' or even back in the US... 

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 14:40 | 4929375 graneros
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You're right, a lot folks are waking up to the spying via internet in droves. Albeit way too late. How did anybody not know this was going on before?  I've got friends who thought I was crazy talking about this stuff 10, 20, 30 years ago.  Now they act like I never told them. 

Friend: "Hey man did you see where the NSA is looking at your FB page? You need to get off FB man."

Me "Well I've never been on FB. Dontcha remeber me talking about this years ago."

Friend "Oh man you're always talking crazy shit, but this man, this shit is real dude. They have peoples' conversations and pictures and shit. You know another thing is you should really be buying gold an other kinds of metals man. Didn't you use to say that back in the 80's and 90's? You know buying gold and shit. I'm tellin' ya man buying gold is the thing, ya really need to look back into that."

Me "Yea I might have mentioned that once or twice. I did buy some but lost it all in a boating accident with a bunch of friends from ZH."

Friend "Well dude you better get some more cause the dollar... yada yada yada"

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 19:11 | 4930029 Chupacabra-322
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Funny beyond belief. Thanks.

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 14:10 | 4929312 toady
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A ZH account? Any entity of any kind with the word "account" (implying that a record is stored)?

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 16:02 | 4929542 tumblemore
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"It's cute how y'all think just not having a Facebook will protect you in any way, shape, or form."

 

I don't do it for protection I do it to not actively help them build their police state.

 

It would be better to have dozens full of BS info but I'm too lazy.

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 18:10 | 4929863 Tall Tom
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It's cute how y'all think just not having a Facebook will protect you in any way, shape, or form. Got a cell phone? A credit card? A laptop with a webcam or mic? Kinekt or PS camera? Have you ever filed a W-2?

I do not have a Cell Phone. I do have a Computer.

 

Hell I am posting here. I do not believe that I am protected at all.

 

But the reason why I choose not to have a Cell Phone, or, a Facebook Account, or, anything else which they may use to track me, IS NOT THAT I BELIEVE THAT IT WILL SOMEHOW MAGICALLY PROTECT ME ASSHOLE.

 

The REASON IS THAT I REFUSE TO FINANCIALLY SUPPORT THE CORPORATIONS WHOM ARE SHARING MY INFORMATION.

 

FINANCIAL SUPPORT IS SUPPORT.

 

The question for everybody here is...DO YOU SUPPORT IT? If you pay a Cell Phone bill then YOU SUPPORT IT. FINANCIAL SUPPORT IS SUPPORT HYPOCRITES.

 

So Fuck You czarangelus you fucking statist slimeball. Fuck your SUPPORT.

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 02:26 | 4930876 Tall Tom
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Financial support is SUPPORT.

 

Anyone whom has a cellphone is SUPPORTING IT.

 

You can Downarrow this all that you want. BUT IT WILL NOT CHANGE THE TRUTH.

 

You level of COMPLICITY is up to you. Your level of participation is up to you.

 

But...but...but I NEED a Cell Phone.

 

Oh bullshit. You are not willing to sacrifice your comforts in the fight against Tyranny.

 

Guess what? The World was here before Cellphones. The World will be here after they have taken you away to the FEMA Camps.

 

And you chose temporary comforts and conveniences in trade for the nightmarish scenario which is about to face you and kick you in the ass.

 

But you will not accept personal responsibility for your own choices. You pay for your own upcoming enslavement cheerfully.

 

I sit and laugh my ass off at all of you "anonymous" Internet Warriors.

 

I publish my street address. Why don't you publish yours? Are you too chickenshit? Yes.

Tue, 07/08/2014 - 21:09 | 4937851 mkkby
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How cute that you think not having a cell phone or some other consumer device actually hurts the gov or corporation. 

Hey dipshit... have you heard that the fed PRINTS MONEY?  We could all stop paying taxes and it wouldn't matter.  Tax collections are already a trillion short each year.

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 15:00 | 4929418 Duffy
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I have several. 

One approach is to give them no data.  The better approach is to overload them with false data. 

Go Hillary!!!

 

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 19:15 | 4930039 Chupacabra-322
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Hell, why not? Hillary did say the we're "losing the information war." PsyOp those fuckers right back.

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 18:25 | 4929904 RafterManFMJ
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Nice poll.

It's strange, I don't have a face book page, but my dog does. She's a 9 year old German Shorthair Pointer and I think it's a mistake, but there's no arguing with her.

She's made maybe 9 posts in 2 years - always political in nature and usually after she gets lit on too many Sam Adams but she's a good pup.

Her daughter, 2 years old, is I fear "exceptional." She eats rocks.

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 12:51 | 4929129 Freddie
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I don't trust Wa Po, The Guradian or Greenwald.  Wa Po has always been Al See Eye Aye duh and the Guardian is the Red Shield.    Snowden worked for Al See Eye Aye duh and no one gets out alive.

Until I see the full info on Obama, rigged USA elections especially 2012,  who Bushes/Clintons/Obama work for, the dancing movers in NJ re 9/11 and their country then this is all a side show.

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 13:34 | 4929224 Robot Traders Mom
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Nice to see fellow ZH'ers questioning this bullshit narrative and the fame whores like Glenn Greenwald...

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 15:03 | 4929424 Duffy
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Your junkers should ask themselves what Snowden revealed that was true.  Fair enough, that the raw data goes to Israel.  We already knew that Israeli companies build a lot of NSA's infrastructure - absurd on its face.  The media promptly buried both...  no damage done....  Congressmen still falling over themselves to give money and free shit to Israel, and to send city cops to learn how to treat an occupied, indigenous population armed with rocks.

But hey, they criticized Saint Israel.  They talked about the NSA spying on all of us, meaning another Obama lie.

Then they tell us 9/11 happened pretty much just like the government said....

 

Nope.

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 13:17 | 4929186 Anusocracy
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The people in East Germany didn't have a choice. Here, the stupid pukes vote for this shit.

 

Thanks a lot idiot government lovers.

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 14:31 | 4929352 Buck Johnson
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I've said it before and I'll say it again, they are blackmailing govt. officials and politicians via this and other things in order to get what they want.  Remember Israel gets this information also.

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 10:07 | 4931397 zerocash
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The difference is that the Stasi spied on their own enslaved people whilst the NSA just keeps a watchful eye over the free citizens of the USA just like a parent watches his or her children to make sure they aren't up to no good. /s

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 11:59 | 4929014 Arrowflinger
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No that is not me, the mole is on my right ass cheek.

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 12:10 | 4929036 Winston Churchill
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We will correct you dosier comrade.

Regds

NSA

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 12:16 | 4929051 Arrowflinger
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NSA - Kiss it and make sure it isn't fake.

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 12:01 | 4929016 actionjacksonbrownie
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U S A !   U S A !

Sun, 07/06/2014 - 12:02 | 4929019 Reaper
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What's in Obama's?

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