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Tesla Car Chase Ends In Flaming Car Wreck Explosion So Violent It Is Confused For Fireworks

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With GM recalling virtually every car it has made since emerging from bankruptcy, another maker of flaming paperweights has quietly managed to slip through the cracks of public attention. So it was perhaps well-timed, if only for GM, that over the weekend we not only learned, but saw footage, of what happens when a Tesla is involved in a Police chase that results in a lamp post crash. Nothing short of complete obliteration.

As KTLA reported, "a stolen Tesla involved in a fiery crash split into two following a pursuit that ended in West Hollywood early Friday, leaving seven people injured, police said. The incident began when police received a call from a Tesla dealership stating that an individual was “tampering or messing with” one of the vehicles, according to Sgt. Campbell with the Los Angeles Police Department’s Pacific Division.  Officers responded to the dealership and a pursuit began at about 12:45 a.m., Campbell said.

The good news, if only for Tesla car snatchers, "during the pursuit, the Tesla reached speeds of up to 100 mph. Also: better than a Bronco for aspiring wife murderers.

However, the car chase was not to last: the pursuit ended on La Brea Avenue between Fountain and Lexington avenues a short time later when the driver of the Tesla hit two other cars and a lamp post, Campbell said.

A witness told KTLA that the Tesla hit the pole and split in half, and that part of the vehicle landed on top of a white car.

“There were fires after that that broke out,” Eric Martinez said. “I saw the firefighters — like 25 firefighters – standing around the white car with the Jaws of Life.” Martinez added that at one point, explosions could be heard.

“We originally thought it was fireworks. Everybody thought it was fireworks that were just exploding,” he said.

And there you have another marketing opportunity: Optional fireworks flaming end: $995.99 extra.

The Tesla sure did not go quietly: in total, the Tesla collided with four vehicles, injuring a total of 6 victims, before splitting in two, according to the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department.

But the best news for the flaming paperweight: not even the driver managed to die.

The man driving the Tesla — who was ejected from the vehicle — was originally thought to have died, but he was resuscitated while en route to a hospital, according to a Sheriff’s Department news release.

 

Two LAPD officers were injured during the pursuit when their vehicle hit the center divider, according to LAPD Officer Bruce Borihanh.

 

The officers complained of pain and were taken to a local hospital, Borihanh said, adding that they were later released and did not sustain injuries.

And of course, as Bloomberg followed up, Tesla Motos, Inc. seemingly unable to grasp how its car could i) split in two and ii) proceed to explode in a fiery wreck, has said it wants to study the remnants of a stolen Model S sedan that split in half and burned after a high-speed chase and collision in Los Angeles.

“We’ve asked to take a look at the vehicle as soon as that’s possible,” Simon Sproule, a company spokesman, said in a phone interview. “There aren’t so many S’s involved in major crashes, and certainly not quite like this one, so we absolutely want to have a look to understand what happened.”

Indeed, a post mortem investigation is probably not a bad idea. And furthermore, if anything, recalling all those tens of thousands of Model S cars sold is probably not such a bad idea. After all just look at GM - after admitting its work product was absolutely abysmal, and the company didn't care about the lives of its customers if it meant higher EPS, resulting in nearly 30 million recalls in 6 months, GM managed to sell more cars in June than any time since Lehman. It almost appears as if Americans, bored with their lives, and certainly the stock market, are eager to experience the excitement of a violent, flaming death.

As for the Tesla, a clip of what happened is below.

 

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Mon, 07/07/2014 - 08:14 | 4931153 nmewn
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Because all cars burst into flames on impact.

So...SHUT UP!!! ;-)

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 08:20 | 4931172 Headbanger
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Because Obama

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 08:29 | 4931191 Stackers
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What happens when you puncture a lithium ion battery

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pizFsY0yjss

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 08:32 | 4931202 nink
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And that's why all Teslas have windscreen eject a seats

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 08:49 | 4931232 Keyser
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Lithium Ion is by far has the least reaction when fractured and exposed to air... You want fireworks, then puncture a Lithium Polymer battery... Not sure why Tesla has not switched to LiFE packs as they pull far more amps than Lithium Ion and charge 4 times faster... 

 

 

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 09:57 | 4931373 smithcreek
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Flaming balls of Sigmund.

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 11:12 | 4931574 redpill
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"And furthermore, if anything, recalling all those tens of thousands of Model S cars sold is probably not such a bad idea."


Recalling them for what?  Pretty sure no car would have survived that ordeal in very good shape.

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 13:17 | 4932023 SilverIsKing
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The Telsa engineers misunderstood the term 'stock split'.

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 13:30 | 4932062 COSMOS
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All is ok folks, Elon knows better, he drives a Mercedes.

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 13:47 | 4932131 redpill
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Notably no one expected Mercedes to issue a recall for the fireball following Michael Hasting's crash

Or what about the inferno that was the Porsche that Paul Walker was riding in?

 

While it was dumb luck in this case that the driver of the Tesla survived, it's pretty clear that fires are hard to avoid when you start running into things going over 100mph, and especially so if you have a giant tank of highly flammable gasoline in your car.

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 20:13 | 4933707 Unknown User
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Thank Jesus the synagogue safely caught half of the car.

Tue, 07/08/2014 - 14:42 | 4936305 redpill
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I see what you did there

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 10:47 | 4931484 Overfed
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Dat's rayciss.

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 09:43 | 4931333 BandGap
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Because oxidation.

The technology is being applied way before we fully understand it. Nature always gets her way.

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 09:48 | 4931351 tony wilson
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not sure why tesla did not ask the fbi for the nikola tesla free energy motor paper work that would of been the cheapest option for humanity : )

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 12:56 | 4931953 redd_green
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Heh, yeah. right.

Sat, 08/02/2014 - 22:15 | 5039257 ddsoffice
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Hello,

I'm in Reno,NV and our very own RGJ.com has considerable coverage of Tesla since Northern Nevada will be the recipient of one of the planned 'Gigafactories'

Today I did a search on Zerohedge.com to see if there was anything about Tesla and flaming car wrecks was not something expected. I was thinking there would be discussion of Tesla's junk bond ratings.

I wonder too about why Nikola Tesla's name is being applied to a company and product that do not use true Tesla technology and the likely billions in government funding that are taking place during this most 'Death Cross' state of the global economy & massive transfer of wealth.

Here, my current compilation of links and stories/cut and pastes as regards Tesla for those who do not subscribe to the RGJ.com or are aware of the info. available via the University of Reno Nevada

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Bill O’Driscoll 3:45 p.m. PDT August 1, 2014

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In 3.5 weeks, F and P Construction moved an estimated 3 million cubic yards of dirt and brush and leveled a pad big enough to hold a 5 million-square-foot building at the Tahoe Reno Industrial Center. The site is a possible location for Tesla’s gigafactory. (Photo: Provided by F and P Construction )

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After months of waiting, the owners of Reno’s F and P Construction got the call they’d been hoping for on the afternoon of June 26.

Could they get going — and fast — on moving dirt at Tahoe Reno Industrial Center for what they knew was a really big but secret-to-the-public project, and have a pad leveled and ready within a month?

You bet, Cindy Pitts, F and P co-owner, recalled Friday, a day after electric car maker Tesla Motors confirmed rumors that it had broken ground at the center, thereby elevating Nevada to a finalist for Tesla’s coveted lithium-ion battery gigafactory that will cost $4 billion-$5 billion and create 6,500 jobs.

When F and P officials first heard in February of Tesla’s interest in the region, Pitts said, they got busy hounding the general contractor, Miss.-based Yates Construction.

“We wanted it so bad. We wanted it for Nevada,” said Pitts, who was bound then by a nondisclosure agreement to speak openly but is free to speak now that Tesla has made the venture public. “We just kept telling them we’d be the guys to do it.”

She pointed to other road and grading projects F and P has done at TRIC, including the site near the Tesla location that houses online retailer Zulily.

So when Yates called at 2:30 p.m. that day in June, F and P didn’t hesitate. What followed, Pitts said, was as impressive a contract job as she’s ever seen.

She did not disclose the contract’s cost but outlined the scale of F & P’s work.

“We hired 250 men and women in the next week. We brought in $65 million worth of equipment — 200 pieces of equipment, bulldozers, excavators, haul trucks,” she said.

In 3 1/2 weeks, her crews moved an estimated 3 million cubic yards of dirt and brush and leveled a pad big enough to hold a 5 million-square-foot building — more than five times the size of Amazon.com’s distribution warehouse in Fernley.

“We ran 24 hours a day, seven days a week. These men and women broke records,” Pitts said. “We knew we had to get it done by July 21 when Panasonic was going to come in. We built that pad in less than 30 days.”

Indeed, a week after Panasonic’s visit, the company signed an agreement with Tesla as a major partner in the gigafactory venture.

With the agreement in hand, Tesla CEO Elon Musk, in a letter to shareholders Thursday, divulged his company’s work at TRIC.

But he also said the site, 17 miles east of Sparks in Storey County, is not Tesla’s final choice. He said he expects to start similar work in one or two other states before a final site is selected “in the coming months.”

Even so, Pitts said she’s proud of her company’s work at TRIC, performed away from onlookers kept back by fencing and a guarded gate on Portofino Drive.

Pitts said her staff, idle at least for the present now that the pad at TRIC has been readied, showed Tesla that Nevada can handle the challenge.

“We told our men and women they were making history,” she said. “We paid them bonuses for working extra hours. As they got tired, we upped the wages. We fed them on the site. Nevada men and women met the challenge.”

TRIC developer Lance Gilman has seen lots of dirt moved at the 106,000-acre business park since it opened in 2000, and on Friday he called F and P Construction’s performance at the Tesla site “unprecedented.”

“Building that pad in three and a half weeks was biblical,” Gilman said. “Work has not stopped. There’s still ongoing things, building catch basins, rerouting flood control, bank stabilization. But the pad is finished. It’s ready.”

Now, he said, all that’s needed is a final green light from Tesla. While Tesla pursues sites for the same kind of work elsewhere, including California, Texas, Arizona and New Mexico, Gilman said construction products are already on order.

“All the steel has been ordered,” he said. “Those things take a lot of lead time. But I don’t think that signals anything for us. They could always move it somewhere else, I guess. But this all points to us at least heading in the right direction.”

Pitts agreed.

“We showed it could be done, and now we’re hoping to go forward,” she said. “We’re keeping the site wet so there’s no dust. We’re telling our people, be ready to go. We’re just waiting for the green light.”

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Thursday tweets about the Tesla gigafactory

Staff report 9:18 a.m. PDT August 1, 2014

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Thursday’s announcement led to reaction on Twitter (Photo: Getty Images file photo )

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The following are a series of tweets Thursday about Tesla's gigafactory.

The company confirmed Thursday it has broken ground at the Tahoe Reno Industrial Center. One or two other finalists will also be picked for groundbreaking before the company selects a winner.

@Daveontv: Imagine how busy real estate agents are after #Tesla has confirmed that mysterious Reno project IS THEM! Valuable surrounding land now!!

@DWcook: Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada and California are competing for the new Tesla "Gigafactory." It's cute that CA thinks it's in the game.

@nj_atkinson: "Reno is Tesla's First Choice As A Gigafactory Site" http://onforb.es/1oStYDq I love this just because it has the word "gigafactory" in it.

@4kLED: Reno may have hit jackpot with Tesla Gigafactory lottery http://ift.tt/1m31wtL

@GeneralGCuster: @brianduggan @RalstonReports Brian, the Tesla News is monster. That will be a great employer for this whole great area ! #LoveItHere

@sdmoores: "@Forbes: Tesla Motors has broken ground outside Reno, Nevada for the Gigafactory " > called it. All welcome.

@JuiliaAWillmott: Reno is the best option for Tesla's Gigafactory...and the best place to live! #renotahoe #biggestlittlecity #renoish…http://lnkd.in/b_ftqcW

@Mikki2222: GIVE THE DARN TAX INCENTIVE !!!!! LETS DO THIS!!!

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Give the incentives and get this high tech company here.

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Tesla notebook: Stock up nearly $10

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A day after Tesla Motors’ earnings report — and its disclosure that it has prepared a site in Storey County for possibly building its $4 billion-$5 billion battery gigafactory — Tesla’s stock was up $9.97 to $233.27.

The electric car maker on Thursday reported better-than-expected quarterly results and delivered more vehicles than it previously forecast.

Nevada officials speak

Nevada officials on Friday submitted statements celebrating the state’s advancement to the finalist stage for Nevada’s gigafactory.

Pat Whitten, Storey County manager: “We want to acknowledge the tremendous collaboration that has brought us to this point with Tesla. The unprecedented media coverage received has raised the level of awareness to Western Nevada and to the valuable asset we have with the Tahoe Reno Industrial Center. We have our work cut out for us, however, we know that no other state can compete with the streamlined processes we’ve put in place in Storey County for ease and efficiency of development.”

Marshall McBride, chairman of the Storey County Commission: “Storey County, in working closely with Gov. Sandoval, the Governor’s Office on Economic Development, EDAWN and the Tahoe Reno Industrial Center, is grateful for the opportunity to showcase our capabilities as a region to the entire country. With this very positive announcement from Tesla, everyone now sees Northern Nevada, Storey County and Tahoe- Reno Industrial Center as the place for commercial and industrial development projects of any size.”

David Humke, chairman of the Washoe County Commission: “We’re excited about the possibility of Tesla coming to Northern Nevada and the potential benefits to our workforce and our community. The news yesterday about Tesla is an affirmation of how well this region can compete nationally and internationally to attract these types of economic development opportunities.”

Texas hasn’t given up

Republican Gov. Rick Perry’s office says it continues to negotiate with Tesla Motors to build an electric car battery factory in Texas, despite Tesla’s announcement Thursday that it has broken ground on a Nevada site.

The company has said a final decision on the location of the $5 billion factory will come in the next few months.

Other places in Texas are independently pursuing Tesla.

San Antonio Economic Development Foundation spokeswoman Liz Clark told the Associated Press on Friday her group has been given strict instructions by Tesla “not to say anything.”

Dallas County Economic Development Director Rick Loesberg said the county is still hoping a Tesla factory will be built in North Texas. He said the county is interested but doesn’t know if Tesla feels the same.

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Pros/Cons of Nevada, other Tesla competitors

Staff and wire reports 9:17 a.m. PDT August 1, 2014

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Although Tesla has broken ground in Nevada, it’s not the only state still in the running.(Photo: Getty Images file)

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Although Tesla has broken ground in Nevada, it's not the only state still in the running.

Here's a look at what each of the five states have to offer:

Arizona

Arizona Competes Fund includes $25 million annually, much of which could be awarded to a company.

State corporate income tax allows manufacturers to base their tax bill fully on in-state sales, which could reduce liability to close to the $50 annual minimum.

There are no franchise, business inventory or estate taxes.

Tax credits worth up to $9,000 per job over three years for net new positions that pay median county wage or higher.

Passed bill to exempt manufacturers' electricity purchases from sales tax.

California

"California Competes" tax credit

Sales-tax-exclusion program for "advanced transportation" or related components.

Employment-training reimbursement.

Gov. Jerry Brown signed a bill in July providing property tax breaks for battery factories. Bill pending in Legislature to provide additional incentives for Tesla.

(Tesla's existing factory in this state reportedly got financial assistance from the state energy commission, worker training and tens of millions in tax breaks.)

Nevada

No corporate or personal income taxes.

Will abate sales tax on equipment purchases.

Will abate up to 50 percent of payroll taxes for four years.

Training grants with 25 percent company match.

Up to 50 percent abatement on personal property tax for 10 years.

Can discount electricity rates by 30 percent for 1 year.

Streamlined permitting process, few regulatory hurdles.

New Mexico

Changes enacted last year lower the maximum corporate income-tax rate to 5.9 percent by 2018 from 7.3 percent in 2014.

New options for calculating manufacturers' liability with a "single-sales factor" formula, taxing only sales that occur in the state.

High-wage-jobs tax credit of up to 10 percent of wages paid for new jobs.

Rural-jobs tax credit taken as credit against gross receipts.

Technology-jobs tax credit of 4 percent for research and development.

Renewable-energy tax credit of 1 cent per kilowatt hour of electricity from qualified sources.

Investment tax credit for manufacturers, taken as credit against gross receipts.

Texas

Texas Enterprise Fund, or "deal-closing" account. Cash grant available if a single Texas site is competing with another out-of-state option.

Exemptions for sales and use taxes.

Exemptions on certain goods that enter and leave the state within 175 days.

Exemptions for renewable energy.

Emerging-technology fund provides grants for research and development.

Workforce-development programs provide financing for job training.

Pros and cons

Conventional wisdom suggests each state has advantages and disadvantages in the factory showdown.

Arizona

Pro: Larger and more skilled workforce than Nevada and New Mexico and closer than Texas.

Con: Farther than Nevada and probably can't match the economics of Texas.

California

Pro: Tesla headquarters and car factory already located there.

Con: Difficult regulatory and litigation environment increase schedule risk. Musk told Bloomberg the state has too many environmental reviews.

Nevada

Pro: Proximity to Fremont, Calif., Tesla car factory. Lightning-fast permitting. Ground excavation already complete.

Con: Limited presence of high-tech manufacturing in the state and small workforce. Fewer dollars to spend on tax incentives.

New Mexico

Pro: Already has a relationship with Elon Musk's Space Exploration Technology Corp., which leases area at the state's spaceport for rocket launches. State has history landing solar-manufacturing facilities over Arizona.

Con: Arizona, Nevada and Texas are all "right to work" states that prohibit unions from requiring membership to work in certain industries.

Texas

Pro: Probably the biggest incentives to offer.

Con: Farthest site in contention from California car factory.

Source: Texas Economic Development Division, Nevada Governor's Office of Economic Development, Arizona Commerce Authority, New Mexico Economic Development Department, California Governor's Office of Business and Economic Development.

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Northern Nevada has officially made it to the next round in the fight for Tesla Motor's battery gigafactory.

The electric car maker confirmed Thursday it has broken ground at the Tahoe-Reno Industrial Center in Storey County east of Sparks on the much-anticipated and mega-sized lithium ion battery plant that could be a game-changer for Northern Nevada's economy.

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The disclosure by Palo Alto, Calif.-based Tesla makes Nevada a finalist for the 10 million-square-foot factory that Tesla wants to open by 2017 to make batteries for its Model 3 car, at a cost of $4 billion to $5 billion.

And it affirms what many have speculated for months: That the grading on 600 acres of sagebrush at Tahoe-Reno Industrial, kept by guards off-limits to passersby and identified only as "Project Tiger," is indeed the work of Tesla.

But that doesn't mean Nevada has won the project coveted by officials in several states vying for the promise of economic windfall and the estimated 6,500 jobs the gigafactory will bring.

In a conference call with Wall Street analysts Thursday, Tesla CEO Elon Musk said of the grading work at TRIC and the urgency of the endeavor: "We're going to be doing something similar in one or two other states. It makes sense."

He did not identify those states. Texas, Arizona, New Mexico and more recently, California, were the other semifinalists.

Against that competition, Nevada has its work cut out moving forward, officials say. Whatever happens, Musk said in a letter Thursday to Tesla shareholders that the final gigafactory site will be determined "in the next few months."

First, though, is the issue of cost. Musk, speaking with analysts after release of Tesla's second-quarter earnings, cited an agreement earlier Thursday between Tesla and Panasonic Corp. for proceeding with the gigafactory.

The two companies will cover most of the project's costs, he said, but added he expects the winning state to put up as much as 10 percent. He did not elaborate on what form that stake would be in, but late Thursday Tesla spokeswoman Liz Jarvis-Shean said the state portion is "best described as a package of benefits and incentives."

For Nevada, that would mean committing $400 million to $500 million — a sizable sum given the current statewide general fund budget of $6.5 billion.

Incentives

State economic development officials have refused to say what incentives are being offered to Tesla.

On Thursday, Republican Gov. Brian Sandoval said in a statement, "I am pleased with today's announcement. Discussions with Tesla are ongoing."

And while the Legislature is out of session until February, legislative leaders took a wait-and-see approach, preferring to see the details first.

"Any time that we can lure a new industry with a real return on our investment, that's always something we should be looking at," said Assembly Speaker Marilyn Kirkpatrick, D-North Las Vegas.

Added Senate Majority Leader Mo Denis, D-Las Vegas, "We want to diversify our economy so we want to attract good projects to come here. I'm in support of that. But we'll have to see all the specifics."

Assembly Minority Leader Pat Hickey of Reno said Nevada is an attractive location even without offering the kind of huge cash incentives available in states like Texas.

"Our location, our current tax structure, the transportation availability, the access to lithium," Hickey said. "I think Nevada is a pretty good deal because of what we have to offer regardless of incentives."

Mike Kazmierski, CEO of the Economic Development Authority of Western Nevada, was active in the early rounds of luring Tesla. He said now that Nevada is a finalist for the gigafactory, the challenge is at the state level.

But he believes Nevada's advantage against bigger states is its speed of process in permitting and construction with fewer governmental roadblocks.

"That's huge," Kazmierski said, citing Tesla's urgency to have the gigafactory operating in three years.

"But when you talk numbers, let's say we have $1 million to offer in incentives. For us to give $1 million is equivalent to Texas giving $30 million," he said. "Clearly, that is not our strength. Ours is our business climate and speed of government."

Competition

In May, Musk said Tesla would divulge starting in June which states would be finalists for the gigafactory. But while grading proceeded away from onlookers and Nevada officials remained mum, citing nondisclosure agreements, June and nearly all of July passed before Thursday's announcement.

Kazmierski said he has heard the reports that California, whose Legislature has been formulating a variety of tax and other incentives, has risen in recent weeks to the status of favorite. Besides being home to Tesla's corporate office, California houses Tesla's car-manufacturing plant in Fremont.

But he said Nevada remains viable, as shown in Tesla's work that started with a "clear and grub" permit pulled on May 22 for an unnamed project at 2641 Portofino Drive in the Tahoe-Reno Industrial Center, located 17 miles east of Sparks.

"Based on what we know, Tesla is still in the analysis and negotiation process," Kazmierski said. "I would be reticent to say anything's already been decided. At some point, they'll make a decision. In the meantime, we'll just work with whoever we need to, to make them see the advantages of this location."

Tahoe-Reno Industrial and Reno-Stead Airport were initially considered sites on Tesla's radar for the gigafactory.

But the center's size — more than 105,000 acres — and its access to California via nearby rail lines and Interstate 80 make it a powerful player in the fight, said its developer, Lance Gilman.

He said the grading work, which he described as "one of the largest grading projects ever in the U.S.," proves it.

"We have finished a superpad to accommodate 5 million square feet. We moved several million cubic yards of material," Gilman said of the work largely done in less than four weeks' time.

"There's nowhere else in the world you can get a project up as fast as here. Our risk is zero. Tesla can start pouring concrete next week if they so desire," he said.

"I'm sure they're looking at other sites. Is Nevada in the lead? Yeah, if you look at it as a horse race, we're light years ahead."

Reno Gazette-Journal reporter Anjeanette Damon contributed to this report.

10 numbers to know about Tesla and the gigafactory

$11.7 BILLION: The net worth of South Africa native Elon Musk, Tesla CEO/co-founder and largest shareholder, according to the Bloomberg Billionaires Index.

$4 BILLION-$5 BILLION: Tesla Motors' stated investment in the gigafactory by 2020, including $2 billion to build the facility.

$400 MILLION-$500 MILLION: The amount in benefits and incentives Tesla wants the state ultimately winning the gigafactory to provide.

10 MILLION: The maximum square footage Tesla estimates it needs for the gigafactory. That's nearly 10 times the size of Amazon.com's distribution center in Fernley.

500,000: The number of lithium-ion batteries the gigafactory is expected to manufacture a year by 2020.

6,500: The number of employees to work at the gigafactory that, if built in Northern Nevada, would make Tesla one of the region's top five biggest employers and bigger than International Game Technology.

500-1,000: Total acreage Tesla estimates it will need to house its gigafactory.

1856-1943: The life span of company namesake Nikola Tesla, a Serbian-American inventor, electrical engineer and pioneer in the use of electricity who has a museum in his name in Belgrade, Serbia.

2003: The year Tesla Motors Inc., was founded in Palo Alto, Calif.

2017: The year Tesla expects to have the gigafactory open and operating.

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10 NUMBERS TO KNOW ABOUT TESLA AND THE GIGAFACTORY:

$11.7 BILLION: The net worth of South Africa native Elon Musk, Tesla CEO/co-founder and largest shareholder, according to the Bloomberg Billionaires Index.

$4 BILLION-$5 BILLION: Tesla Motors' stated investment in the gigafactory, including $2 billion to build the facility.

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$49.8 MILLION: How much Tesla Motors Inc. lost in earnings in the January-March period compared with an $11.2 million profit a year earlier.

10 MILLION: The maximum square footage Tesla estimates it needs for the gigafactory. That's nearly 10 times the size of Amazon.com's distribution center in Fernley.

500,000: The number of lithium-ion batteries the gigafactory is expected to manufacture a year by 2020.

6,500: The number of employees to work at the gigafactory that, if built in Northern Nevada, would make Tesla one of the region's top five biggest employers and bigger than International Game Technology.

500-1,000: Total acreage Tesla estimates it will need to house its gigafactory.

1856-1943: The life span of company namesake Nikola Tesla, a Serbian-American inventor, electrical engineer and pioneer in the use of electricity who has a museum in his name in Belgrade, Serbia.

2003: The year Tesla Motors Inc., was founded in Palo Alto, Calif.

2017: The year Tesla expects to have the gigafactory open and operating.

How a lithium-ion battery like Tesla's is made

Yvonne Beasley, RGJ 1:24 p.m. PDT July 31, 2014

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Denis Phares, CEO of Dragonfly Energy, holds a battery at his workshop on Wednesday in Reno.(Photo: Hilary Swift/RGJ)

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Tesla is mute on all gigafactory details — including what, exactly, workers might do at a factory that's expected to be largely automated.

But Reno has an expert in Denis Phares is president and CEO of Dragonfly Energy, an award-winning lithium-ion battery startup.

Phares said there are a number of steps from raw materials to finished battery. Here's his rundown:

• First, there's some chemical preparation of the lithium materials.

• Then, materials are coated onto a foil substrate to make the anode and cathode.

• Then there's a step to dry the solvent out from that coating.

• Next, the foils are cut, slit and wound into a cylinder. Tesla cars use small cylinder cells, Phares said, so precision is key for the small size.

• Then, the cells are put into a case, which is filled with electrolyte and sealed.

• Next, testing is done to make sure the battery cycles.

"And then that's it. You've got a battery," Phares said.

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CEO Elon Musk opened Tesla patents to nudge along the electric-vehicle industry, a move of exceptional good faith and foresight. It is this attitude that convinces me that Musk should ultimately choose Northern Nevada over Texas.

Texas is doing just fine with its oil. You don’t need Tesla. In fact, it’s almost antithetical that your big oil state would host an electric vehicle plant. Meanwhile, Northern Nevada is among the worst hit by the recession. We’re located 200 miles from the center of the Information Age. In the Industrial Age — where London was its center — would you locate your plant in Liverpool or Budapest? The technology that is core to electric vehicles is being more intensely developed in the Silicon Valley not San Antonio.

Cost-of-living and wages are lower here, and demand for jobs higher. Also, low humidity not only benefits the manufacture of lithium batteries but the longevity of complex machinery. Unlike Texas, we’re open-minded and friendly to outsiders. Northern Nevada makes sense both socially and economically.

As Mark Twain, one of our local legends once said, “It’s not the size of the dog in the fight, it’s the size of the fight in the dog.”

Ed Park, Reno

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Tesla is mute on all gigafactory details — including what, exactly, workers might do at a factory that's expected to be largely automated.

But Reno has an expert in Denis Phares is president and CEO of Dragonfly Energy, an award-winning lithium-ion battery startup.

Phares said there are a number of steps from raw materials to finished battery. Here's his rundown:

• First, there's some chemical preparation of the lithium materials.

• Then, materials are coated onto a foil substrate to make the anode and cathode.

• Then there's a step to dry the solvent out from that coating.

• Next, the foils are cut, slit and wound into a cylinder. Tesla cars use small cylinder cells, Phares said, so precision is key for the small size.

• Then, the cells are put into a case, which is filled with electrolyte and sealed.

• Next, testing is done to make sure the battery cycles.

"And then that's it. You've got a battery," Phares said.

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A day after Tesla Motors’ earnings report — and its disclosure that it has prepared a site in Storey County for possibly building its $4 billion-$5 billion battery gigafactory — Tesla’s stock was up $9.97 to $233.27.

The electric car maker on Thursday reported better-than-expected quarterly results and delivered more vehicles than it previously forecast.

Nevada officials speak

Nevada officials on Friday submitted statements celebrating the state’s advancement to the finalist stage for Nevada’s gigafactory.

Pat Whitten, Storey County manager: “We want to acknowledge the tremendous collaboration that has brought us to this point with Tesla. The unprecedented media coverage received has raised the level of awareness to Western Nevada and to the valuable asset we have with the Tahoe Reno Industrial Center. We have our work cut out for us, however, we know that no other state can compete with the streamlined processes we’ve put in place in Storey County for ease and efficiency of development.”

Marshall McBride, chairman of the Storey County Commission: “Storey County, in working closely with Gov. Sandoval, the Governor’s Office on Economic Development, EDAWN and the Tahoe Reno Industrial Center, is grateful for the opportunity to showcase our capabilities as a region to the entire country. With this very positive announcement from Tesla, everyone now sees Northern Nevada, Storey County and Tahoe- Reno Industrial Center as the place for commercial and industrial development projects of any size.”

David Humke, chairman of the Washoe County Commission: “We’re excited about the possibility of Tesla coming to Northern Nevada and the potential benefits to our workforce and our community. The news yesterday about Tesla is an affirmation of how well this region can compete nationally and internationally to attract these types of economic development opportunities.”

Texas hasn’t given up

Republican Gov. Rick Perry’s office says it continues to negotiate with Tesla Motors to build an electric car battery factory in Texas, despite Tesla’s announcement Thursday that it has broken ground on a Nevada site.

The company has said a final decision on the location of the $5 billion factory will come in the next few months.

Other places in Texas are independently pursuing Tesla.

San Antonio Economic Development Foundation spokeswoman Liz Clark told the Associated Press on Friday her group has been given strict instructions by Tesla “not to say anything.”

Dallas County Economic Development Director Rick Loesberg said the county is still hoping a Tesla factory will be built in North Texas. He said the county is interested but doesn’t know if Tesla feels the same.

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Tesla Motors CEO Elon Musk, right, looks on as a set of Tesla Model S sedans are delivered to its first customers in China at an event in Beijing, China, Tuesday, April 22, 2014. (Photo: Ng Han Guan/AP file )

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Tesla Motors has joined the ranks of major automakers in yet another way: a less-than-stellar bond rating.

Standard & Poor’s, one of the major bond rating agencies, has assigned a B-minus credit score to the electric car maker. That’s junk, or below investment grade.

But in the automotive world, it’s not that bad. Other major automakers have or are spending time in the same bond rating basement. General Motors’ long-term debt is also rated as junk with a BB-plus rating, a notch below Ford Motor’s rating with the same agency as BBB-minus. Ford’s rating is in the low rung of investment grade.

S&P said its rating of Tesla is unsolicited. It notes it has issued $920 million in unsecured convertible senior notes due in 2019 and $1.4 billion in unsecured convertible senior notes due in 2021. Last year, it issued $660 million in secured convertible senior notes due in 2018.

Tesla, the rating agency notes, is considered “stable.”

If Tesla were to default on its debt, bondholders would likely get back 30 percent to 50 percent of their investment, S&P said.

Tesla is considered vulnerable due to “narrow product focus, concentrated production footprint, small scale relative to its larger automotive peers, limited visibility on the long-term demand for its products, and limited track record in handling execution risks that could arise in managing high volume parallel production,” the agency said in a statement.

Tesla makes a single electric car model at present, the Model S. It hopes to broaden its line to include a gull-winged electric crossover, Model X, which is behind schedule and in several years, a more popular-priced electric car.

It is also trying to build a massive plant for production of lithium-ion batteries; Nevada, Arizona, California, New Mexico and Texas are being considered for it.

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Mon, 07/07/2014 - 09:50 | 4931355 Abi Normal
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See me fly, oooops!  Talk about electrifying.

I think they should just leave the rear end attached to the building, nice placement!

Hope all the innocents are going to be ok, prayers are with them.  As for the purp, may he rot in prison for a long while -- dumbass!

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 08:30 | 4931194 GetZeeGold
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Because Obama

 

Heh heh......Bush's fault.

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 08:49 | 4931230 codecode
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it was Bush's low ratings that got Obama elected... so yep </sarc>

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 09:08 | 4931267 CheapBastard
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" Hecho en Merika."

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 14:04 | 4932233 RafterManFMJ
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Every time I have to ride in a friends GM product I carry a personal fire extinguisher and wear a Nomex hoodie.

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 08:22 | 4931176 Disenchanted
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and all high rise bldgs collapse from kerosene fueled fires too...

;p

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 08:50 | 4931190 nmewn
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I had buddy of mine who was a blacksmith ;-)

/////

Wait a minute, can't let this "Up In Smoke" story slip by:

Berkeley To Force Marijuana Dispensaries To Provide Free Weed For Low-Income Patients

"Basically, the city council wants to make sure that low-income, homeless, indigent folks have access to their medical marijuana, their medicine,” said Berkeley City Councilmember Darryl Moore."

http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2014/07/02/berkeley-plans-to-provide-free-weed-for-low-income-patients-marijuana-pot-collectives-dispensaries/

Naturally, everything must be subsidized now, its just the right thing to do...soon to be covered under ObamaCare, pure genius!!!...lol.

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 08:55 | 4931246 Silky Johnson
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Do they get free bag of Funions and a pint of Cherry Garcia also? WTF!?!

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 09:11 | 4931273 nmewn
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Hell yeah!

Its medicinal ;-)

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 12:58 | 4931958 redd_green
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Fritos, dude!  The barbecue kind!

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 09:35 | 4931322 shovelhead
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How come I can't get free Big Pharma meds?

Why don"t they force local drugstores to do the same?

Oh, never mind.

Nobody wants to drive them out of business.

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 09:45 | 4931347 nmewn
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I'm not against pot smokers, I've always been for decriminalization instead of legalization.

This is what you get, taxation-subsidation-manipulation.

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 11:13 | 4931579 americanreality
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Decrim, sure.  I'm against personal liberty and decision making as well.

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 12:09 | 4931754 nmewn
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lol...wut?

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 14:17 | 4932326 chumbawamba
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I don't think he thinks that word means what it doesn't mean.

-Chumbz.

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 16:14 | 4932914 nmewn
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It sure had me stumped chumba and I'm still sober...maybe that's the problem...lol.

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 08:31 | 4931199 Lewshine
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TSLA down 4.00 today...Up 10.00 tomorrow!! BULLLLLLLLLLLISH!

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 10:36 | 4931306 e_goldstein
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Buy The Fiery Dip.

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 12:35 | 4931863 Jeremy Roenick
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Best kindling money can buy. 

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 09:05 | 4931260 BigJim
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 The incident began when police received a call from a Tesla dealership stating that an individual was “tampering or messing with” one of the vehicles

Musk will say it's not a typical incident because the Tesla had been 'tampered' with.

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 09:19 | 4931286 firstdivision
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"Tesla Motos, Inc. seemingly unable to grasp how its car could i) split in two and ii) proceed to explode in a fiery wreck"

One would think that Tesla has 0 experienced engineers working for it.  I bet every engineer that works there is just a software engineer.

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 10:54 | 4931511 boattrash
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My question, do you think the Stakeholders can prevent the wreckage from being looked at, just like the Federal Govt did in the case of the Michael Hastings wreckage?

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 09:23 | 4931294 post turtle saver
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typically when a car splits in half on impact, that's a bad thing... it's also not something usually tested for

http://www.wired.com/2013/08/tesla-model-s-crash-test/

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 09:44 | 4931338 SF beatnik
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How the fuck does an ordinary car split in half?

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 09:50 | 4931358 post turtle saver
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it usually happens after the structure has been compromised in other ways... for example, a reckless high speed chase resulting in collisions with four other vehicles before hitting a post at speed... if the post isn't designed to break away (and not all of them are), then something has to give...

anyone who hasn't heard of a car splitting in half in a severe collision needs to get out more... happens more often than you think, and to some pretty high end stuff (Ferrari comes immediately to mind)...

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 09:51 | 4931359 firstdivision
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physics.  With enough Newtons, anything can be split in half.

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 15:05 | 4932584 RafterManFMJ
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Mmmmm...Newtons.

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 11:47 | 4931692 Robert Vesco
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Happens a lot.  Check out wreckedexotics.com.  

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 12:01 | 4931731 Robert Vesco
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Spoke too soon.  They  have already posted three pictures of this accident.   wreckedexotics.com

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 12:19 | 4931787 teslaberry
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you asked "How the fuck does an ordinary car split in half?"

 

the answer is 

 usually by separation of two symmetrical pieces, there are other ways to separate a 3dimensional shape into 2 parts, but usually when something separates in half its a clean 2 symmetrical cut like chopping a dick in 2 pieces by cutting it lengthwise or girthwise in halfsies. 

 

exotic splits can also happen to ordinary cars where a multitude of pieces are separated into two piles of equal size, and that way an object is split in half but not in any convventional sense. 

 

that would be like the hannibal lecter of automobiles way of splitting things in halfsies. by the way, anothony hopkins drives a tesla, cooindicence?

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 09:44 | 4931339 rubiconsolutions
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That looks like the first stage for one of Elon Musk's rockets. Perhaps there's some multiuse thing going on here. 

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 10:37 | 4931454 Dr. Kenneth Noi...
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You mean, like Porsche Carreras?

Some cars, like Ferraris or Ford Tempos, don't even need an impact to spontaneously burst into flames.

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 10:55 | 4931507 holgerdanske
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"The incident began when police received a call from a Tesla dealership stating that an individual was “tampering or messing with” one of the vehicles, according to Sgt. Campbell with the Los Angeles Police Department’s Pacific Division."

Tampering or messing with:

I guess that means the vehicle is out of warranty?

Very convenient.

 

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 12:24 | 4931815 Matt
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What exactly does one do to hotwire a Tesla? Is it just a normal key ignition, or is there a bunch of wire-splicing involved?

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 12:40 | 4931880 holgerdanske
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Hotwire?? It does that all by itself!

Doesn't get much hotter than this!

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 11:00 | 4931535 Luckhasit
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I know a Porsche and Mercedes do.

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 08:15 | 4931158 djsmps
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"managed to slip through the cracks of public attention"

 

Despite the near-total news blackout on Iraq, Ukraine and illegal aliens, this was widely reported two days ago.

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 09:48 | 4931353 SF beatnik
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Is that because nobody gives a fuck about an invasion of 300,000 illegal aliens? 

 

No, the controllers feel a need to hide certain things from view.

 

Out of sight, out of mind.

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 08:16 | 4931159 chumbawamba
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'Tis but a scratch.

I am Chumbawamba.

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 08:16 | 4931160 fonzannoon
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The Tesla hit 4 vehicles, a lamp post, split in 2 and exploded and no one died? That is seriously impressive,

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 08:23 | 4931178 nmewn
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Its the newest feature in the S-model (splitting in two).

Keep all arms & legs close to the body until the ride is over ;-)

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 13:46 | 4932150 malek
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I was thinking the newest feature must be a driver ejection system - does that include a parachute?

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 08:24 | 4931180 ParkAveFlasher
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I saw a new corvette completely obliterated on the Long Island Expressway yesterday around exit 33.  The entire front end was shredded from the bumper to the cabin, evidently after head-on impact to the guardrail.  I thought to myself, if they had a Tesla, that never would have happened.  Nobody races in a Tesla.

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 08:29 | 4931192 Took Red Pill
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Vets are fiberglass and the Tesla is aluminum

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 09:34 | 4931319 post turtle saver
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the new C7 uses carbon fiber, CF composites, an aluminum frame and high-strength steel in key areas... it's an incredibly solid vehicle

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 09:45 | 4931337 Took Red Pill
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well hopefully the one destroyed on the expressway isn't a new C7. I've seen Vets split in half lengthways from an impact.

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 11:06 | 4931546 Elliott Eldrich
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My stepfather was a California Highway Patrol officer, and we used to get the monthly "Highway Patrol" magazine, the one that had the graphic photographs of accident scenes. I saw many pictures of Corvettes in wrecks. They were notable for two things: First, you would never have known that a Corvette was involved in the crash, because there was no body of the car left, nothing remaining that would allow you to figure out what kind of a car had been in the wreck.

All that remained after a crash was a charred sled and a throughly burned, half-melted corpse strapped into the driver's seat. That is what I think of when I think of Corvettes. I think of charred corpses sitting on top of a black sled, burned to a charred crisp, with no hint of a car body remaining. 

 

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 11:28 | 4931631 Freddie
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Most GM-UAW-Obama vehicles react like that in crashes.

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 12:22 | 4931800 teslaberry
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elliot i was in one of those crashes. i think i saw your dad. 

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 08:25 | 4931184 NoDebt
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Well, that particular car was equipped with the James Bond 007 through-windshield ejection seat.  So he was "thrown clear" of the flames.

 

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 08:34 | 4931205 buzzsaw99
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it conveniently splits in two so you can gtfo in a hurry after it bursts into flames

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 09:28 | 4931308 post turtle saver
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yeah right, but this is RThedge where all things of the US persuasion are spat upon and ridiculed relentlessly... I think just looking at a Yugo or Trabant with a sideways glance makes them split into two and burst into flames, and that's when the gas tank is empty

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 10:52 | 4931498 Freddie
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GM is a UAW/Obama company.    They make trash.  Elon Musk lives off US taxpayers too.

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 12:40 | 4931884 Dublinmick
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Work on separating analytical analysis from rah rah bullshit.

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 10:50 | 4931488 Alpo for Granny
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Yep...involved in multiple collisions and exploded and "failed" perfectly resulting in no deaths.  And yet somehow it is an "American POS".

Mike Maloney (who just had an interview posted here within a day or two) credits his life being saved by the design of this car. He (a former engineer) claims

"I believe the Model S is not only the most well engineered car in the world, but has redefined what a car can be.  If you are thinking about buying a new car please, please, please go to a Tesla showroom or their website and take a look.  But if you want one you’d better get in line."

And.."The motor is underneath the rear seat, which means the Model S has enormous crumple zones to protect the passenger compartment, so it is probably one of the safest cars in the world. "

So when he says "dollar is doomed, buy PM's" he gets a 51 minute vid posted on here. But his views of an American company's electric car....crickets.

http://goldsilver.com/news/mike-maloney-in-horrible-car-crash-with-tesla/

 

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 08:17 | 4931161 Boing_Snap
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Wow, wonder how badly the gas fire from a Porsche or BME would have been after that amount of damage? No doubt there would have been dead, no time for a recovery with the massive fireball consuming oxygen.

Another great tribute to the Tesla safety features.!

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 08:31 | 4931200 seek
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Yeah, good thing it wasn't a Mercedes C250 or the driver would most certainly be dead. /s

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 12:42 | 4931892 Dublinmick
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Was this fellow coming out with a big whistle blower story anytime soon?

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 08:41 | 4931216 Zog the Bastiat
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You've been watching too many late 80s Schwarzenegger flicks.

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 08:58 | 4931250 Silky Johnson
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Isn't that what happened to the Fast and Furious kid.

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 08:18 | 4931166 Drachma
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“I saw the firefighters — like 25 firefighters..."

Meanwhile...

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 08:18 | 4931167 BeetleBailey
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Bullish!

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 08:18 | 4931169 ZippyBananaPants
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Stolen?

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 08:19 | 4931170 orangegeek
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remember OMD?

Tesla girls Tesla girls
I'm in love with Tesla girls
Now and then they'll watch tv
Now and then they'll speak to me
But heaven knows their recipe

No no no

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 08:21 | 4931173 tjeffersonsghost
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I chalk this up as who gives a fuck. I see gasoline cars burst into flames as well. Ask Hastings or Paul Walker.  If I could afford a Tesla I'd take one in a minute to no longer have to participate in the gasline monopoly game.

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 09:49 | 4931201 Volkodav
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yeh, cos electricity and automobile price and service, finance and insurances monopoly game is so much better

vs why I everyday drive used $3K buick and profit

 

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 08:45 | 4931224 nmewn
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"If I could afford a Tesla..."

Ummm, yeah.

Clearly a car for the masses ;-)

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 12:41 | 4931886 Matt
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Sub-$30K model coming soon.

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 12:54 | 4931944 nmewn
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Yeah but I really prefer the flame retardant bucket seats on the more expensive models ;-)

Look, I really don't care what people drive, I just intensely dislike subsidizing anything, especially billionaires.

 http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/taxevb.shtml

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 11:30 | 4931638 Freddie
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Hastings was a Deep State/MIC/DIA hit.

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 08:23 | 4931174 RacerX
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so this is the modern-day high-tech version of the Pinto?

http://youtu.be/lgOxWPGsJNY

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 14:11 | 4932289 Matt
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If the Pinto crashed into 6 things in a row at 100 miles per hour prior to exploding, and every single person in all Pinto accidents survived.

If the people at Tesla knew about a problem prior to production, could have solved the problem for a $10 per car, and choose not to spend the money on safety.

So, yeah, exactly like a Pinto.

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 08:25 | 4931185 buzzsaw99
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You'll notice how the white hot fire is always centered in the passenger compartment? motorist bbq bitchez.

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 08:29 | 4931193 nmewn
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ROTFL!

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 15:14 | 4932623 RafterManFMJ
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Next years Teslas will all have those inflatable ramps used on passenger jets so you can glide to safety as your car erupts in a science-fiction film worthy fireball.

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 09:15 | 4931281 MeMongo
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Yea note to self! If one should find themselves hitchhiking, take the ride with the redneck in the Ford 250 before getting in with some slack jawed ...... wire rim glass wearing, tree hugging Tesla owner. Sorry carry on!

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 12:18 | 4931783 buzzsaw99
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come on, take a ride in the CAR-B-Q bitchez

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 14:14 | 4932308 Matt
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How many people have burned alive in a Tesla? How many people have died from driving in or being a passenger in a Tesla? Whats that, a total of zero people? Wow what a death trap.

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 15:14 | 4932629 RafterManFMJ
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Yea they've sold like 9 cars so far.

Give it time.

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 12:38 | 4931869 Freddie
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This is what the drink holder is for.  You can douse yourself with mineral water or holy water in a crash.

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 12:45 | 4931907 Dublinmick
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Replacing the air bag with white phosphorus?

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 08:26 | 4931188 Sven Sikztu
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Tesla should get a refund from whatever crash testing fees the NHSTA stole from them as part of the extortion to sell cars to the public...

 

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 14:16 | 4932318 Matt
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And yet the Tesla is the safest car in the world to crash into concrete and steel at 100 miles per hour in. Maybe the problem is not the cars, but the people who own or steal them?

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 08:29 | 4931196 AdvancingTime
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For those who really care. When talking about the CEO of Tesla Motors, Bloomberg News almost always says "Billionaire Elon Musk", this happens so often that many people probably think his first name is "Billionaire". As for Tesla the stock is trading at incredibly high multiples, much of that can be contributed to the historically low interest rates and the luck of being in the "QE moment" rather then the company's financial success. Bears and those that doubted if the company could hold together ironically have pushed up the stock, this adds to the image that Musk lives a charmed life. Remember the company had received a huge government low interest loan to kick start its existence.

 In Oct.2013 the stock of Tesla Motors had a market cap of slightly over 20 billion dollars. By comparison Ford has a market cap of around 69 billion. At that time I have never seen a Tesla car in the "flesh" this means in a display or on the street. I take this to mean it is a very small plater in the overall market. When all the hoopla ends, the question is whether larger competitors will simply overwhelm and crush Tesla, or will Tesla instead position itself to grow and maybe take over a competitor to help propel it forward. Remember this is a field where many have failed, one great example was the Delorean. I have become predisposed to discount, and have actually grown a massive aversion to "media hype", this is one reason you should color me skeptical. More on this subject in the article below.

http://brucewilds.blogspot.com/2013/05/tesla-motors-and-elon-musk.html

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 08:56 | 4931243 overexposed
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You should drive around the Washington DC area more often, we have more Teslas than you can shake a stick at.

(Thank you, Government-Lobbyist Complex.)

Edit: On second thought, don't shake a stick at any - they'll go up in flames lol

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 09:37 | 4931325 post turtle saver
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as many as D.C. has I bet Austin TX has more... I've stopped trying to count them, they're becoming ubiquitous... saw four at the airport just yesterday and every one of them had the high-end power pack... someone's buying them...

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 08:33 | 4931203 asking4it2k
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The media is trying so hard to demonize electric cars.. GET OVER IT. ELECTRIC CARS ARE HERE TO STAY !!

By the way gasoline cars burst into flames too.

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 08:42 | 4931220 nmewn
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You're kidding right?

You could have a flaming Tesla or Fisker Roadster drive through the WH fence and detonate inside the oval office and it wouldn't be reported on...lol.

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 08:48 | 4931228 Ghordius
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reported? don't know. I remember when there was lots and lots of reporting on Toyota, and I remember their chief asking in a very Japanese way the American public to excuse Toyota's technical problems

though I also remember that "all that news" was found wrong, later. And I guess the Japanese will remember this in the future

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 09:08 | 4931268 nmewn
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Yeah, I'm old enough to remember the media (NBC) rigging pickup trucks to explode for "investigative purposes"...we only found that out long after the damage was done.

Perception is reality ;-)

 

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 12:47 | 4931916 Dublinmick
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Be sure and run a geiger counter on any new toyotas you are planning on purchasing.

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 09:29 | 4931309 silentboom
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Exactly right, if anything they are covering for these electric car boondoggles. 

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 08:44 | 4931223 insanelysane
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A few years ago I looked into building an electric motorcycle.  It can be done for around $2k.  But after researching it, I decided not to do it because there are a lot of safety concerns and not just the possibility it bursts into flames.  Electric vehicles are far more dangerous than the public thinks.  People look at golf carts and see safe, green, quiet fun but as people with engineering backgrounds know, sometimes when you scale something up, it becomes a very different entity.

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 09:39 | 4931330 post turtle saver
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http://youtu.be/MiywfDy5fl0

and, speaking as a person w/ an EE background... yeah, you don't know wtf you're talking about

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 13:30 | 4932063 Freddie
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Harley should try to build a gas powered bike engine instead of that old modified tractor engine POS.  The more modern Harley has an engine designed by Porsche.

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 09:49 | 4931352 magnetosphere
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what are some of the other safety concerns?

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 10:09 | 4931402 fredquimby
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A few years ago I built an electric motorcycle. It has never exploded once.

http://t.co/y6DzCphWVP

It rocks.

 

 

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 08:53 | 4931239 22winmag
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Yeah, they're here for as long as there are coal-fired and uranium-fired power plants to plug them into.

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 14:20 | 4932344 Matt
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Thermal Solar with molten salt. Solar power 24/7/365 if you build it in a sunny place. Will have to see the reports to determine EROEI, lifecycle and ROI, but it could be a real game changer.

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 08:55 | 4931244 Steve in Greensboro
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Nothing says thoughtful analysis quite like text in all capital letters followed by multiple exclamation points.

And electric cars are here to stay until the U.S. government stops subsidizing them and then they will go away.

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 10:45 | 4931467 BorisTheBlade
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The form of electric transport that is really efficient has been around for almost a century, i.e. tram or trolleybuses. That's the real benchmark.

Electric car is like non-alcohol vodka, it won't beat conventional car in terms of speed and trams in terms of overall efficiency per passenger moved.

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 14:23 | 4932362 Matt
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"won't beat conventional car in terms of speed"

How much faster than 100+ MPH do you need to go?

" trams in terms of overall efficiency per passenger moved"

Assuming all passengers want to go where the Tram is going. More flexible than railroads, but not as flexible as a personal vehicle. If you have to take a cab from the Tram station to your destination, maybe it works out a saving, maybe not.

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 08:40 | 4931215 DannyTX
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Whoever wrote this article sounds needs to cut the drama by about 3/4ths.  

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 08:42 | 4931218 WMM II
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"Indeed, a post mortem investigation is probably not a bad idea."

 

indeed. after all, it saved the cost of a pre-mortem investigation.

ala, gm.

 

 

:)

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 08:51 | 4931235 Space Animatoltipap
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Why not take a horse? Only 150 years ago there was not one single car on da planet. Perhaps don't go for cheap "Amish fun". That's way too obvious.

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 08:55 | 4931242 Ghordius
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a chicken in every pot and a car in every garage

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 13:35 | 4932085 Freddie
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Yes.  Just add water to the pot and put it on the hood of the Tesla in the garage.

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 09:02 | 4931256 yogibear
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Teslas are self-desructive. No need to tow them, just let them burn and sweep up the ash.

Used Teslas used for a fireworks displays. 

Telas used as flaming bombs on wheels.

 

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 09:12 | 4931275 loregnum
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While I don't doubt these cars at a higher risk of fire, it isn't like combustion engine based cars don't catch fire. The Porsche Paul Walker was in lit up like this and split in half and it was probably going at a slower speed.

Some of the Tesla articles here just ignore all this and act like only these electric motor cars can catch fire. 

 

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 09:27 | 4931304 Duude
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Walker's car was estimated to be moving in excess of 80 miles an hour similar to this wreck. But what you seem to misunderstand is the fire controversy isn't about fast speed car crashes rather slow moving crashes and even running over things on the road which can ignite a fire with the Tesla. Older automobiles make up 100% of electrical fires in non-Tesla vehicles while Tesla doesn't have any older automobiles.  That's a huge difference.

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 11:06 | 4931547 Freddie
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Odd that the cars this jerk off hit did not explode in flames.

 

Didn't Walker's car have some sort of steering rack or pump problem.

Porsche race driver and Audi rally champion Walter Rorhl said it was the only car that scared him.  

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 09:17 | 4931285 The Pop In
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The driver lived. Tesla needs to re-engineer that car.

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 09:21 | 4931292 Duude
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Tesla has nothing to worry about here. The driver was driving at excessive speed when he struck the other cars and the light pole, which provides a safe out for the auto manufacturer. But besides that, the NHTSA has Tesla's back. The NHTSA wouldn't ask for a recall if Teslas started exploding at 50K miles.

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 09:27 | 4931303 silentboom
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Just wait until they run on Hydrogen, kaboom...mushroom cloud.

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 14:30 | 4932405 Matt
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You understand that hydrogen has far less energy density and burns much cooler than gasoline, right? Also, it burns so pure you won't see the flames, other than from material in the vehicle burning. Unless you make a pure oxygen/hydrogen mix, hydrogen cars won't be exploding into a mushroom cloud anytime soon.

Fri, 07/11/2014 - 20:21 | 4948837 Abbie Normal
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Ever heard of the Hindenburg? Oh, the humanity!

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 09:34 | 4931321 silentboom
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This kind of explosion usually only happens if the driver is named Michael Hastings.

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 09:36 | 4931324 indianplayers
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Yea we always normally hit a pole at 100mph and plit a car in half with the back half wedeged in between two walls. I'm sure most cars would burt into flames if this happened to them. 

 

Move along nothing to see here.

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 09:44 | 4931336 pakled
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I'm being assaulted by dress ads from both the left and right columns. First it was Amazon with the dress ads. Now ZH. Day after day. Who do they think I am? Is their a lot of money in dresses?

 

I can't take it! My mind is going to burst into flames at any moment. Someone please call 25 fire fighters!

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 10:04 | 4931394 fredquimby
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Mon, 07/07/2014 - 09:45 | 4931344 XRAYD
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TESLA - it's a life saver when your are in a hurry!

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 09:54 | 4931368 IndianaJohn
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Crashed into a synagogue! that's got to bring hate crime charges to the driver, at the least. 

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 10:04 | 4931388 fredquimby
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WTF - Surely you can make an electric car tamper-proof and impossible to steal, easier than make it stealable?

Seriously, did they leave it open with the (presumably high-tech) key in it?

Don't tell me he frikkin hotwired it!

 

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 10:08 | 4931399 Who was that ma...
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Thanks to Tesla engineering, another crash test dummy survives.

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 10:24 | 4931429 Kill the Bank J...
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They must have thought that he owned the car...I can't think of any reason why they bothered to revive the perp.

 

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 10:27 | 4931433 NoIdea
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Lithuim is used in many fireworks and it's used in the Tesla battery packs so it would not be odd for a Tesla explosion to look like a fireworks display

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 10:32 | 4931444 ihatebarkingdogs
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I've been told Musk / Tesla makes more money selling their Carbon Credits than they do selling cars. I have no idea wheter it's true or not, but it wouldn't surprise me if it is.  It seems that everything is distorted by gubmint intervention.

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 14:32 | 4932426 Matt
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I was under the impression the Carbon Credits scheme collapsed, who would be buying?

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 10:59 | 4931529 homiegot
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Should have brought hot dogs and marshmallows. 

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 11:04 | 4931541 NEOSERF
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I'm waiting for the first Tesla to crash through someone's backyard into the pool, that should be interesting.

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 11:05 | 4931544 starman
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what fucking Tesla can split like stocks!? I want one! 

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 11:17 | 4931592 Bemused Observer
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Well, isn't that the story of the day?

Why is it that so much of the stuff we make today is such garbage? Appliances break after a year, cars fail and burst into flames, bridges fall down and planes disappear. Food poisons us, medications make our teenage sons grow breasts, even college degrees don't 'work' anymore, along with their recipients.

Our money is failing, politically we are a basket-case.

A walk through any retail store will show aisles and aisles of crap...pure garbage, cheaply-made trinkets and chotchkies. Examine some of the items more closely and you see badly-soldered connections, plastic where metal would be more appropriate, and you just know the thing won't last 6 months.

Funny though, the one thing they DO get right is the packaging. What is UP with that packaging? Those thick plastic heat sealed things that you can't open without power tools...Jesus H. Christ! If they put half as much effort into the CONTENTS of the package, it would be great...

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